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Then return 10 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: to the hotel's living room, where the Portofino poor self 11 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: served tapwall invites you to unwine and soak in a 12 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: breath taking coastal sunset. Discover your seaside escape at the 13 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: Porto Fino Hotel and Marina. Now let's get back to 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: our interview. 15 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 2: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 16 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 2: with on our radio. 17 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody's been here with the Almost Famous podcast. Today 18 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: we have Dale and Kat with us, coming fresh off 19 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: of the reunion episode that was just filmed right here 20 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: on the stage. That we're sitting at nice stage. It 21 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: is a nice stage. I want to start. What were 22 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: your emotions like going into today, Well, be honest, this 23 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: is a place to. 24 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 3: Be honest, ladies. Ladies first, well. 25 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 4: A conference post game talk. Well, going into today, obviously 26 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 4: there was a lot of things we needed to discuss 27 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 4: from the whole season in general, I'd say nervous, but 28 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 4: also really excited to be able to like share our 29 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 4: story and share our time together and kind of like 30 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 4: catch up with everybody else. 31 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 5: But you know, putting ourselves back. 32 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 4: In these spaces can be a little nerve wracking, and 33 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 4: coming off of last night's episode was also a lot too, so, 34 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 4: but I was mostly excited just to kind of like 35 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 4: see everyone and share our relationship. 36 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, because I think you you never know what someone's 37 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 6: holding on to or anything like that. But a kind 38 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 6: of the whole season, right, we were we were excited 39 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 6: about how things finished with us. Also the fact that 40 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 6: we've been just building this relationship and kind of the 41 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 6: same way during the season, We're like, you know, whatever happens, 42 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 6: we'll speak our truth, but we're not going to compromise 43 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 6: our integrity. We're not trying to get into too much chaos, 44 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 6: and at the end of the day, like, we have 45 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 6: great relationships with everyone on the show, so yeah, I 46 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 6: think it's like there's unknown variables going into this that 47 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 6: you don't know may come up, but overall, we were 48 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 6: just kind of happy to see everyone. 49 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel pretty confident with him. 50 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 4: Like by my side, I will say, like I can 51 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 4: go into uncomfortable environments with. 52 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 5: Dale and like feel safe. So I think coming into 53 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 5: don't burn the stage down. 54 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 4: But like, yeah, I knew that no matter what, if 55 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 4: I needed to be like kind of brought back down 56 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 4: on earth, that he would be there. 57 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: So so you whispering in her ear during kind of 58 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 1: the most contentious moments of the reunion. I don't think 59 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: audio will pick it up, but I did watch what 60 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: were you just telling her? 61 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 6: I was honestly just saying, hey, like chill, give everyone 62 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 6: their time to speak, because I think everyone deserves that. 63 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 3: But it's easy to take a lot of things personal. 64 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 6: Right because you go through this experience with people and 65 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 6: sometimes it's projection. But at the end of the day 66 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 6: as well, I think it's important to understand your emotions 67 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 6: and where they're coming from. But you know it also 68 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:38,119 Speaker 6: like still keep your composure and focus more on our experience. 69 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 6: Speak your truth, but not be as reactive and understanding. 70 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 6: It was the biggest thing, because emotions can get heightened. 71 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 6: I've been there, but I also think like we're so 72 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 6: far removed from a lot of the chaos, and. 73 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 3: That's kind of just how we've been rolling since the 74 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 3: show's been done. 75 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 4: You like said, like I do, I feel a lot 76 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 4: of other people's emotions, so like I want to, like, 77 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 4: I have a lot to say a lot of times, 78 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 4: but he's helped me realize, like sometimes it's you don't 79 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 4: have to say all the things and it's your pick 80 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 4: your battles in a way, so he kind of helped 81 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 4: me calm back down. 82 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: Dale mentioned here a second ago that you were excited 83 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: about how your experience ended. I think that is a 84 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: shocking statement because from a viewer standpoint, it felt like 85 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: your relationship was going so well and then all of 86 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: a sudden things ended at the worst possible moment in 87 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: your relationship. Can you bring some clarity to why you 88 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: said that you were excited about how you guys left, 89 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: and then also what you two were experiencing, as obviously 90 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: you were kind of in this very tumultuous situation. 91 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 6: For me, it was just that we were together, that 92 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 6: we stick up for each other, and obviously there was 93 00:04:58,600 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 6: a competition. 94 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 3: You know, I was pretty upset. 95 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 6: About us losing the physical challenge because that was the 96 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 6: first time in my life I've ever honestly felt vulnerable physically. 97 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 6: But we moved past that so quickly. But we talk 98 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 6: about the Way to the World challenge, and you know, 99 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 6: in theory, we won that challenge. It was a very 100 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 6: intense moment with the entire cast coming back, and I 101 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 6: think a lot of people in certain situations maybe would 102 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 6: have handled it differently. But Kat and I had gone 103 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 6: through real challenges that relationships go through in a very 104 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 6: short time. But I told her early on in the season, 105 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 6: like I'm not jumping ship, Like I'm down to ride, 106 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 6: and you know, if I'm down to ride for someone, 107 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 6: and we get to that point, like I don't care 108 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 6: about what comes our way because we can work through it. 109 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 6: And I think we had beautiful moments throughout our relationship, 110 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 6: but in one of the most difficult ones when it 111 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 6: could have gone either way, that's where we grew the most, 112 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 6: and that's what set the foundation for the conversations that 113 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 6: we had after we were off Paradise to ask the 114 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 6: hard questions in a way that we knew. We were 115 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 6: asking the questions not to get out of a situation 116 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 6: or a relationship, to build it stronger than ever. And 117 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 6: I think that was just an important thing for both 118 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 6: of us. 119 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, Kat, when the parliament came back and they walked 120 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: down through the resort to where you guys were standing, 121 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: did you have a feeling at that point that this 122 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: was going to turn ugly or were you kind of 123 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: thrown off guard once Sean and Alicia started talking. 124 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 4: I mean, seeing everybody come back, I was actually really excited, 125 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 4: but I remembered mostly like how we had voted, how 126 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 4: the season had went, and like going against Justine Spencer 127 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 4: like we're cooked, which is fine. I was so comfortable 128 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 4: with where we were at in a relationship at that point. 129 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 4: I had absolutely no idea that it was going to 130 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 4: be what it was. I sent some type of energy, 131 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 4: which I think I had said to him at some point, 132 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 4: like I think Alicia is like not being nice to be. 133 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 5: I don't know what's going on, but some thing's like 134 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 5: going on. 135 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 4: And then very shortly after that is when the clink 136 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 4: clink happened in front of everyone, but I was very 137 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 4: taken surprise surprise with how it went down. 138 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: For sure, we see during the show that the two 139 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: of you kind of walk off and you're telling Dale 140 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: at that moment, I don't want to talk about it here. 141 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about this here. I think 142 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: from a fan standpoint, we're watching it being like, well, 143 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: guilty as charged, she doesn't want to talk about it 144 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: on camera. If you weren't guilty, she'd be talking about 145 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: it right here. What was your intention with telling Dale 146 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: at that time? Hey, I don't want to talk about 147 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: it right now. 148 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 4: I think that's a totally fair judgment. But unfortunately, like, 149 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 4: unless you're in this space, you'll it's hard to understand. 150 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 4: I've had many rounds within this franchise, or at least 151 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 4: in a setting where you can be really vulnerable, and 152 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,679 Speaker 4: in that moment, I just felt like nobody deserved any 153 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 4: kind of explanation or any more words that could potentially 154 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 4: be twisted, because that's what I just witnessed, And the 155 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 4: only person who I would be willing to have a 156 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 4: conversation with in private would be Dale, because he's the 157 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 4: only one that deserves that, and I just didn't feel 158 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 4: like I owed anything to anyone. 159 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 5: Plus I was really really emotionally. 160 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 4: Charged, so the last thing I wanted was to say 161 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 4: something that could be misunderstood, or if I would say 162 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 4: something that wasn't articulated appropriately, like this is something I 163 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 4: really cared about, and I just wanted it to have 164 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 4: the attention that it deserved, and it was not going 165 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 4: to be in that space or at that time. 166 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: All these love triangles getting you twisted us too. 167 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 7: But it's because we. 168 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: Have Wetzels Pretzels on deck, serving up soft, salty and 169 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: totally irresistible snacks from original butter to sinful cinnamon. 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That's how he supports you to 180 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: get a glimpse into your where your relationship stands today. 181 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: How do you best support him? 182 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 4: I think that we know each other's triggers in our 183 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 4: moments of grounding that is needed. 184 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 5: Like I would say, I hoped. 185 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 4: Bring him down after a lot of competitions of us 186 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 4: being lost when he was a little hot and heavy, 187 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 4: and I reminded him like what really matters, and when 188 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 4: he has a really good way of seeing things more 189 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 4: objective and like less emotionally like charged, whereas I don't. 190 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 4: So it's helpful when we're in like heighten emotional situations 191 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 4: where he can like remind me and I'm like really 192 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 4: good at receiving that. And I respect his opinion and 193 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 4: I respect how he sees the world, so I also 194 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 4: have how to allow that, which takes time to like 195 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 4: I love to say no before I say yes, But 196 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 4: as time has gone on, as times going on, I've 197 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 4: learned to trust it more and like know that his 198 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 4: intentions are never to like it's to help me, right, 199 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 4: And I think that depending on each other's triggers, like 200 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 4: he can probably test to it more. 201 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 5: I don't really know. 202 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 4: But I know that I've seen you get a little 203 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 4: worked up, and I think that I try my best 204 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 4: to just remind you he doesn't. I've had partners that 205 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 4: like if I were to ever like snap for like 206 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 4: trying to bring them back to Earth, they get like 207 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 4: more upset. It actually works with him, like he'll like 208 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 4: he doesn't take offense to it, and he's I think 209 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 4: he also values my opinion too it. 210 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 5: But I've only really had to do that. 211 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 4: I think when it comes to at least in Paradise 212 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 4: was like after the competitions when you didn't really like 213 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 4: losing that much. 214 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, But I also think it's reminding me because I 215 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 6: moved through things very quickly. One of my greatest gifts 216 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 6: is I don't feel like a lot of things affect me, 217 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 6: and I can move through things and be very very 218 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 6: even keeled. But you know, some tough moments, I can 219 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 6: bury those. But also you bury great moments when you're 220 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 6: that's one of your. 221 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 3: Mechanisms, if you will. 222 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 6: But KAT definitely without even saying it or you know, 223 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 6: intentionally doing it reminds me a lot about like the 224 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 6: joy and the excitement of like little and small things 225 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 6: or there's something good that happens and I'm like, oh, 226 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 6: it's just part for the course and I'm moving to 227 00:11:58,360 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 6: the next thing. She's like, no, you need to sell 228 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 6: lebrate those things. And I think one of the things 229 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 6: that we both talk about all the time, and she 230 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 6: would say because we couldn't be public, is like, I 231 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 6: can't wait to experience life with you. I can't wait 232 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 6: till we experience these things together. And that's why I 233 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 6: came on Paradise. So and that's been a tough thing 234 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 6: for us. 235 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 7: Because what do you mean, that's why you came on 236 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 7: Paradise And a. 237 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 6: Lot of relationships previously our lives were so segmented, you know, 238 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 6: some because of distance and just timing and the pandemic 239 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 6: and all these things. But I always felt like I 240 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 6: poured out so much into relationships and I didn't always 241 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 6: get the reciprocity. And it wasn't about like tit for tat. 242 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 3: It was just like I didn't get experience as much 243 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 3: as I would like to with my partner. 244 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 6: And I think really just the excitement and the opportunity 245 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 6: to experience new things together. We've already got plans for 246 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 6: for so many things. There's a lot of things that 247 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 6: have happened that we couldn't experience together. 248 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 3: But there was still the excitement of like when we. 249 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 6: Can or like I can't wait to show you this thing, 250 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 6: and I haven't been able to do that for the 251 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 6: last five six years, you know, and that's what matters 252 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 6: to me, Like my relationship, my family, career is like 253 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,599 Speaker 6: something that's important, but that's for stability and security. 254 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 4: I think I remember him to I think you remind 255 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 4: him to laugh a little bit more and be a 256 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 4: little bit more goofy. 257 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 7: You had a little spice too. 258 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: It seems like, like I do you know, Dale, seems 259 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: very much like let's just keep going and you like 260 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: shake it up a little bit, which is a very 261 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: good thing to have. 262 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 3: When Dala comes. 263 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 8: Out there, I do say I wish I could be 264 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 8: more unbothered, but it's just not in this lifetime. 265 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: You are as I know. 266 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 7: It's going to make life fun, I know. Unfortunately, though 267 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 7: your experience and I got a lot of clarity. 268 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: I think during the reunion episode into this whole texting 269 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: thing that happened, Dale, you seem thrown off honestly watching 270 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: the show because you were like, no, I don't care 271 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: what happened before this, and they said, no, it happened now. 272 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, you took usip of your 273 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: drink and you're like, oh well, all right, all right, 274 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: let's figure that one out. But you said something dale 275 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: during the reunion that people can listen to, but I 276 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: want to bring it up here. You said, Hey, that 277 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: happened at the beginning. This is where we're at now, 278 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: we're moving into life together. 279 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 7: Now. 280 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: For listeners of this show that maybe won't tune into 281 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: the reunion, but I. 282 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 3: Encourage you to do. 283 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: It's only going to be on the Bachelor Happy Hour podcast, 284 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: give us insight into why that moment didn't break you. 285 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 6: I mean, you go through an experience and a journey 286 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 6: with someone for a month. We all have these ideas 287 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 6: of what we want, how things are going to go 288 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 6: coming in and the moment I met Kat, I was 289 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 6: unsure about Kat and I, but we grew that, we 290 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 6: grew that, we grew that we had our guards up. 291 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 6: But anything that was happening or lingering before the show 292 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 6: or whatever, it was kind of irrelevant to me because 293 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 6: I was so clear at a certain point when we 294 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 6: crossed that path and where we were at and we 295 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 6: really both said, like, hey, we're going to do this thing. 296 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 6: There was no question and I've told Kat this many 297 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 6: times and I said it on the show. If it 298 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 6: wasn't Kat, there was no one else for me on 299 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 6: that beach, And it was less about the people coming in. 300 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 6: It was more about us getting tighter together and me 301 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 6: letting my guard down and her also letting her guard down, 302 00:15:56,040 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 6: and building that trust and that understanding that like push 303 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 6: come to show we're going to be there and at 304 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 6: the end of the day too, Like there's so many 305 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 6: more difficult things in life. So if that was something 306 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 6: that we had to get over and get past, that 307 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 6: happened before I even knew Kat at all, Like, it's 308 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 6: not that deep, Like I could totally do that, and 309 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 6: we had the time to do that after the fact, 310 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 6: we did those things, we asked those questions, So I 311 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 6: don't know. 312 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 4: I think it also shows I think it's a testimony 313 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 4: to his securement with himself too, And I think the 314 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 4: goal at the time was maybe to break him. And 315 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 4: I definitely know partners that I've been met that that 316 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 4: would hold a lot more precedent than the person that's 317 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 4: standing in front of him, which is me. 318 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 5: And what we've built. 319 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 4: And I think it takes a certain person to feel 320 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 4: confident who they are and what the relationship has built 321 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 4: to keep that between us and work through what we 322 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 4: need to and see if it can be something we can. 323 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, because people were like, Oh, we just want to 324 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 6: look out for you, we care for you. 325 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 3: Needed to know this. 326 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 6: And I even said on the show, I was like, 327 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 6: you're not saving me from like I made this decision. 328 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 6: This is what I'm standing with, So you're not saving 329 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 6: me from anything. 330 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: Let's just be clear though, on the timeline, tell me 331 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. You had emailed somebody that you were 332 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: seeing before very early on in the show. 333 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 7: Once Dale showed up, that stop. 334 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 4: No, I wasn't ever ever texting or communicating from the 335 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 4: outside world when the show had started. 336 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: So the show started, no more communication, Dale comes in, 337 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: There was no more conation. 338 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't have access to our stuff like they 339 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 4: security comes and digs it. 340 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 7: Yeah. 341 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: Just I think that was a point that people were 342 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: confused by, like was this happening throughout the season? Was 343 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: this going on when airing when you were still dating? 344 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: But once the show started, you were done. No more texts. 345 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 4: Nothing, I mean that's and so the way that I 346 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 4: also heard things just get so twisted and construed made 347 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 4: me very uncomfortable to ever say anything because I'm like, well, 348 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 4: if this is how things are being taken, I'm not 349 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 4: going to say anything because the last thing I'm going 350 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 4: to have is my words be twisted or anything be 351 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 4: taken out of context. 352 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 7: Yeah so yousha, I mean, you just didn't want to 353 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 7: talk anymore. 354 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 5: You. I was, well it, I had a panic attack, 355 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 5: like it. 356 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 4: I never want to like, like, my experience from two 357 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 4: years ago with Paradise was still my experience. 358 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 5: It was who I was at the time, but it 359 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 5: was really really difficult. 360 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 4: And a lot of that experience came with every single 361 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 4: day putting out fires or trying to at least, And 362 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 4: in that moment, I felt all those feelings I had 363 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 4: felt and that was something I had already like moved through, 364 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 4: and I just felt really like I was back in 365 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 4: that environment where I can't trust myself, I can't trust 366 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 4: people around me, and I'm like scared of to lose 367 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 4: someone to care about. 368 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 5: So it went on a lot longer than that was shown. 369 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 4: It went on for a very long time and then 370 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 4: to the point where like I couldn't say words and 371 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 4: I had like a full panic attack. 372 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 5: So that's why I had to walk off. 373 00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 6: And I can relate to that too, because like I 374 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 6: had a moment also where I had to step away 375 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 6: and it had nothing to do with the situation like 376 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 6: with Cat. 377 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 3: Personally, but I was like, what is going on? 378 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 6: I am in like this chaos, Like I didn't do 379 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 6: anything wrong, Like I don't want I don't want this 380 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 6: to be our story because this is not right. It 381 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 6: was about like this is not right, and you know, 382 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 6: the producer saw me like like I was in tears, 383 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 6: but it wasn't about hurt. I was so disappointed and 384 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 6: frustrated in the situation and how that even happened, because 385 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 6: like what Cat and I had built was so beautiful 386 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 6: and like if there was a stain on it in 387 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 6: this way, I was like, that's just not right, Like 388 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 6: this is not it just it was like a righteous. 389 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 3: Moment right. 390 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 7: With Pinkberry. 391 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: It is love at first wor big thanks to Pinkberry, 392 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 1: who has been serving up some delicious frozen yogurt treats today, 393 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: where every flavor, whether it's original tart, pomegranate, or their 394 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: new white Mocha is truly is a front runner, and 395 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: the only drama is choosing between your favorite premium toppings, 396 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 1: whether you're here for love or let's be real, just 397 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 1: the fro YOUO. 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Is there 407 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: a moment that you remember, like where you felt like 408 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: you crossed that bridge and all of a sudden said, no, 409 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: this is somebody I'm gonna fight for. This is somebody 410 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: that I'm going to get angry for, and this is 411 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: somebody I'm going to trust and try to move past 412 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 1: this whole experience with. 413 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 3: I mean, I think that was the whole time. 414 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 6: We just didn't have those some of those situations I 415 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 6: think where Kat and I really crossed that bridge. 416 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 3: Was after I'll say from what people. 417 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 6: Saw on the show, like the conversation with Lisha, she 418 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 6: knew where my rose was going. Uh Alesia knew, you know, 419 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 6: I told her, And that was the moment where it's 420 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 6: like literally because we would have these conversations about if 421 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 6: someone comes in and and for me too, I am 422 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 6: someone who wants to be prudent and make the right choice. 423 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 6: And in some relationships in the past, like you know, 424 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 6: I gave so much and I it didn't work out, 425 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 6: which is fine because you try hard, you die hard, 426 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 6: but like that's how you get the greatest gifts. 427 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 3: But I didn't want to do that again. 428 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 6: So I was very hesitant, like I just needed to 429 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 6: know this is who I'm rocking to ride with. And 430 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 6: I had to also look at myself and say, like 431 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,959 Speaker 6: all these people are coming in and everything brings me 432 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 6: closer to Kat. It's not about anyone else that's coming 433 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 6: in Cat, and I gotta get right. And I think 434 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 6: also in our conversation, I was pretty direct and stern, 435 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 6: like I was just like, look, I just need more 436 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 6: like whatever history, whatever past, whatever it is, I want 437 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 6: to know that, like I'm not going to judge you. 438 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 6: I'm not going to press on like that's the most 439 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 6: beautiful thing about you. And I think that was the 440 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 6: moment where we both not speaking, and you. 441 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 4: Can well it was the nearly Rows ceremony before I 442 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 4: turned to a competition. I can say for the exact 443 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 4: moment because I remember everything. I mean, my feelings for 444 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 4: him are always developing. But I was also very guarded because. 445 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 5: I had a failed engagement. 446 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 4: You know, this is like a scary environment to be in, 447 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,479 Speaker 4: and I was just always fearful that someone wasn't who 448 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 4: they said they were. So I think that translated with 449 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 4: maybe a little bit more hesitation emotionally and sharing. 450 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 5: Who I am. But you're able to grow really fast 451 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 5: in paradise. 452 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 4: So we got to the point where he was like 453 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 4: basically asking for more, and I gave it to him, 454 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 4: and I gave him a look and to my personal life, 455 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 4: my past, my childhood, things that I typically only share 456 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 4: people that I care about, And I think my ability 457 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 4: to be vulnerable allowed him to also kind of like 458 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 4: let his shoulders down and relax. 459 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 5: A little bit. And from there it just happened to 460 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 5: turn into a competition that night where no one else 461 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 5: is coming in so it was perfect for me. I 462 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 5: didn't have to worry about anything anymore. 463 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 4: But I think that in that night we were like, okay, 464 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 4: like we've done the thing. It keeps bringing us closer, Like, actually, 465 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 4: let's focus on our relationship. And so that was before 466 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 4: it even turned into a competition. Really yeah, yeah, and 467 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 4: they kind of cut around that up that thing, which 468 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 4: I'm not like upset about because I did get really 469 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 4: deep about my life. But I think that was probably 470 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 4: our biggest turning point. And then also when he and 471 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 4: when I fully crashed out and it did not scare him. 472 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 6: Really it was like really real time, it was so 473 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 6: much more intense. 474 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 5: Exactly, it was bad. It was way longer. I was like. 475 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 3: Shivering. 476 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 5: Oh no, No. 477 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 4: He was like trying so much to help me, and 478 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 4: I kept like trying to help him while being helped. 479 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 4: And then like every time he'd helped me, I would 480 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 4: like go into like a fire ant pile or like 481 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 4: lose it again, and like it was bad, but it 482 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 4: got to the point where I was like crying and upset. 483 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 5: But it finally got to the point where I had 484 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 5: the breakdown. 485 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to skip over the fire ants. I 486 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: hate fire ants, and it was insane. Those existed on 487 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: there's a problem. 488 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 3: You see me itching my antone in my life, frozen 489 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 3: and like petrified in fear to where they couldn't move. Yeah, 490 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 3: I think you saw a glimpse of it. 491 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 6: But legitimately, like I thought they were gonna have to 492 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 6: call the paramedics or like they like. 493 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,479 Speaker 5: The therapist have to come in. She was like, I 494 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 5: was thinking about taking you back. 495 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 3: They were about to take her out of there. It 496 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 3: got It was intense, you guys, I mean you did. 497 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: I mean I think you've you've hinted at it so 498 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: many times that you know, you were tested and tried, 499 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: and you came out of this thing together. And I 500 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: want to close with you know, the excitement that is 501 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: your future. But I do have two little side questions 502 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: here that people wrote into us. 503 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 7: Sure, and then I also wanted. 504 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 1: To touch on the one because I do think it's 505 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: a point of clarity that all of us need, mostly 506 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: for your benefit. Sure, this friendship with Sean, Yeah. 507 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 7: It did you know? 508 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: It was communicated to us as viewers, and I'm watching 509 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: it being like, I don't know these two people, they 510 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: could have been best friends outside of this, right that 511 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: you two were really close friends, and then all of 512 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: a sudden, it felt like you turned on him and 513 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: he turned on you, and it got really ugly quick. 514 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: Can you give us clarity into where your friendship actually 515 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: was with Sean entering into this season. 516 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 5: I never want to. 517 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 4: Speak for someone else's experience or how they interpreted a friendship, right, 518 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 4: but I will just tell you matter of fact, we 519 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 4: were friends right after. 520 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 5: The original Paradise. 521 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 4: We would talk a little bit, kind of like get 522 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 4: boy advice about John Henry at the time and vice versa. 523 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 4: We just had that common ground of Tampa. I moved 524 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 4: to San Diego very shortly after, which has now been 525 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 4: almost two years since I moved to San Diego. Since then, 526 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 4: it's we did not text every day, We did not 527 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 4: phone call every month. 528 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 5: I hit him. 529 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 4: Up when I was home and I was like, hey, 530 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,239 Speaker 4: like you should meet my new boyfriend. This was like 531 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 4: last year at some point, we're in town whatever, and 532 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 4: that's when he had met my ex. 533 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 5: And then that was in October. 534 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 4: And then in December, when I was home for the holidays, 535 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 4: I happened to see him at a bar. That was 536 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 4: the time that i'd seen him too. But we did 537 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 4: not communicate. I don't even think I replied his Instagram 538 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 4: stories or anything like that. When I got my first 539 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 4: phone call for Paradise, I called him and I said, 540 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 4: are you going to Paradise? 541 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 5: Like they're calling people. 542 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 4: He's like, no, they haven't called me yet, and I 543 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 4: was like, call them, tell them you want to go 544 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 4: so that I'm not on the beach without anyone because 545 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 4: I didn't know anybody, and kind of here and there 546 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 4: we'd like text or something like before it would come. 547 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 4: And then I think, like maybe right before parody started, 548 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 4: we had like a long phone call and just like 549 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 4: kind of talked about who we're interested in and stuff 550 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,959 Speaker 4: like that. But that's kind of where that friendship, like 551 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 4: tangibly was communication wise. But I do think that he 552 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 4: felt and I did too, like a sense of like 553 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 4: connection in an environment where we both didn't really know anyone. 554 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 4: So that's where that loyalty I think felt. But as 555 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 4: far as like, I still didn't really I didn't know 556 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 4: him as much or as deep as anymore. So when 557 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 4: he was moving in the way he was, I was like, well, 558 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 4: maybe this is who he is. I'm a different person 559 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 4: than I was two years ago. Maybe this is who 560 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 4: he is, and I don't really want to be associated 561 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 4: with that, and that was something I was very clear 562 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 4: and honest about. But he's only met my ex twice, 563 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 4: so they're not like BFFs, and both times were with me. 564 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 5: So it was confusing. 565 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 4: But I also don't want to invalidate like how he 566 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 4: saw our friendship. But at the same time, like, I 567 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 4: just didn't think that I have friends that I'm much 568 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 4: closer with and I'm on the same time zone as 569 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 4: and like talk. 570 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 5: Much more often. So no, thanks for that's pretty I 571 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 5: don't know if that's like makes sense, but it makes sense. 572 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: That's that's the probably the most irrelevant question that you 573 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: transition into your relationship and where it's going with kat 574 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 1: is you have been rumored to be the next Bachelor 575 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: or in the running to be the next bat So funny, 576 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: it's been something we've talked about here at Almost Famous podcast. 577 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: It feels like for months, really you've had to see 578 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 1: the rumors. Maybe you're in paradise at the time. Uh, 579 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: if they called you to ask you to be the Bachelor, 580 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: would you see be saying yes or no? 581 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 3: I'm committed? 582 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 5: Okay, can I enjoy? 583 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 7: She's like, oh, they're doing that. 584 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 6: That was never something like that was in the cards 585 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 6: or like in even my mindset. 586 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 3: I'm just focused on this right here. That's literally my 587 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 3: only focus. 588 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 7: What is the focus? 589 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: Like where explain to everybody where you're at, what's exciting, 590 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: what's next. 591 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 5: And walk on the beach tomorrow for the first time. 592 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 6: A lot of it is experiencing life together because you know, 593 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 6: our worlds are we have a lot of similarities, but 594 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 6: our worlds are a lot different, and I think that 595 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 6: crossover and understanding each side of the fence is so 596 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 6: so important. 597 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 3: And again I'll say. 598 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 6: That's a big thing for me too, because I hadn't 599 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 6: always had that, like in previous relationships where there was 600 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 6: much time with family or meeting a lot of my friends. 601 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 6: I travel a lot, you know, That's something that I've 602 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 6: always cut down because of a relationship. When the time 603 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 6: is right, we do a lot more as existed because 604 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 6: we couldn't even be public. But we just want to 605 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 6: build this as strong as possible. I think we've had 606 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 6: all the conversations. We know where we're at in life 607 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 6: right now. We're not just dating just for companionship, like 608 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,239 Speaker 6: I'm looking for a partnership we talk about what we 609 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 6: want with kids, with life, with locations, even though we're 610 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 6: on different side of the coast, Like, you know, it's 611 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 6: a real thing. But you know, I'd say we're fortunate 612 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 6: from the standpoint that you bridge the gap and we understand, 613 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 6: like and we're open to it's not about like just 614 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 6: one side or this or that, like these are the 615 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 6: things that if we're going to come together and we're 616 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 6: going to do this right, how do we do this? 617 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 3: There's give and take compromise. 618 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he has the ability to kind of 619 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 4: move a little bit freely when it comes to work. 620 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 4: I work a steady like Monday through Thursday. But I 621 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 4: now that we can actually do things together and he 622 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 4: does do traveling for work. I don't know, I'm going 623 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 4: to just come on his trips with him. 624 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 5: And join him in on it. 625 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 4: And during that we're still building, Like it's still been 626 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 4: around four to five, Like we're only up four months, right, 627 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 4: so now we get to go to that next phase 628 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 4: of relationship where we can really build and see where 629 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 4: it goes. But with us just having that like same 630 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 4: goal to bring us closer and bridge that gap is 631 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 4: what is really I think needed and just keep checking 632 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 4: in and making sure that we're doing that. 633 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: Like you said, you have to walk on the beach 634 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: tomorrow together. That's a big deal deal. 635 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 4: He wouldn't even come into get to go food with me, 636 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 4: Like we would order food, and he wouldn't even come 637 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 4: into the gas station with me, Like he was so 638 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 4: serious about the rules. 639 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 8: So I'm no, I know, but I'm so excited to 640 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 8: just like be like this is what I'm in and 641 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 8: like we're walking on the beach and like having a 642 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 8: morning coffee, Like I'm just so excited to live. 643 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 6: Like, yeah, both we have both looked forward to that. 644 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 6: You know, we're sending pictures to each other. 645 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 3: All the time and like can't wait. 646 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 6: There's a lot of things that we would have done 647 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 6: together that would have been fucking ten times better together 648 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 6: that we just simply couldn't do. But that's not going 649 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 6: to change, and the simple things are the best things. 650 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 3: Though. 651 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: Today we're closing this thing out. You're getting ready to 652 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: walk off the stage. You no longer have to hide. 653 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: Dale and Kat, thank you for joining us. Thank you 654 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: for explaining all the stuff that was questions and up 655 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: in the air from a viewers standpoint. Thanks for sitting 656 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: with us today. It's been a long day of talking 657 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: about a lot of stuff. 658 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 5: I love hearing here talk about how much he likes 659 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 5: to keep it up. 660 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: But now you're done, Go enjoy it, celebrate walk on 661 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: the beach. 662 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 7: Thanks for joining the almost podcast. Rose all day, all 663 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 7: day out there with the Almost Famous podcast. Until next time. 664 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 2: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast on 665 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.