1 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: It was early Sunday evening in November of two thousand 2 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: and five, and a pop up street fair was in 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: full swing in south central Los Angeles. The neighborhood had 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: turned out to enjoy the rides, carnival games, hot dogs, 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: and cotton candy. Crowds of people were milling around the 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: entrance at the corner of Rodeo Road and Second Avenue. Suddenly, 7 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: half a dozen shots rang out and two kids fell 8 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: to the ground. Fourteen year old William Cox was shot 9 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: twice in the torso and died at the scene. His friend, 10 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: Edward Williams, also fourteen, was shot in the heart, but 11 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: somehow he survived. At the hospital. Edward gave police the 12 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: names of several rival gang members who might have been 13 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: the shootor. 14 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: They opened up the book of all the people that 15 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: they believed were members of the Mansfield This is Jason, 16 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: He's from Mansfield, whatnot. And that's where things just started 17 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: to snowball and I became target number one. 18 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: That night, Jason Malton had been hanging out with a 19 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: group of friends miles from the crime scene. His alibi 20 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: was solid, but once the police had fixed their sights 21 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: on him, the truth was meaningless. 22 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 2: I don't feel like they altoly cared about the victim 23 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: nor myself. It's like, okay, well, one gang members dead, 24 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 2: one gang member shot, one gang members in jail. We 25 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 2: got a three for one. 26 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 3: In a way, this is global telling. You have a 27 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 3: prepaid call. 28 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 2: From Jason Vanners and one. 29 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 3: An inmate at the California State Prison, Lancaster, California. 30 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: From Lava for Good. This is wrongful conviction with Maggie 31 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: Freeling today. Jason Walton. 32 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 2: My name is Jason Robert Walton. I'm from Los Angeles, California. 33 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: I was arrested and ultimately longfully convicted November seventeenth, two 34 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: thousand and five. 35 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 4: Jason was a real fun loving kid. He loved sports. 36 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,399 Speaker 4: He collected basketball cards and things like that. 37 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: This is Jason's mother, Francisle Johnson. Most people call her friend. 38 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: She mostly raised me along that. I did sometimes go 39 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 2: and visit my father, but living with my mother was 40 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 2: where I was most comfortable, where I wanted to be. 41 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 4: We always had a big dinner on at my parents' house, 42 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 4: and either my mom would cook or my dad would barbecue. 43 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: I thought I was rich. I thought the world was perfect, 44 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: and I loved to play video games, collect sports cards, POGs, 45 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 2: just anything that you collect. My hobbies consisted of building 46 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 2: things and fixing things. 47 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 4: If he saw a radio or portable TV that was 48 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 4: sitting on the curb or near the alley, he would 49 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 4: want to take it home and try to fix it, 50 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 4: and quite often it would work. 51 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,119 Speaker 2: As I got older, I grew a fascination with cars, 52 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: and I started with building model cars. And I realized 53 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 2: at a young age that I was good at it 54 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 2: because I can take a box, take the kid out, 55 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: and I would never remove the instructions from the box, 56 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 2: and I can put the whole car together. 57 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: Jason was a pretty typical kid, into cars, bikes, video games, 58 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: and sports. 59 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 2: Swimming, fishing, or anything that that involved being outside. I 60 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 2: love to push the envelope. I was somewhat of a daredevil, 61 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 2: so whether that was trying to ride a bike on 62 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: one wheel for the whole the lamp of the block, 63 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: or holding onto the ice cream truck to gain speed, 64 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 2: to try to jump over a makeshift lamp that we made. 65 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: Jason describes himself as a class clown, someone who loved 66 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: to make people laugh, but he also had more serious ambitions. 67 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 2: I wanted to be a lawyer when I was younger, 68 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 2: because I loved to debate. I loved just the art 69 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 2: of being able to verbally wrastle, I guess you could say. 70 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: But for Jason, school it just wasn't a big priority. 71 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: As a teenager, Jason started cutting class, hanging out with 72 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: his friends and smoking weed. Jason's older brother, Antoine, belonged 73 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: to a local gang, the Mansfield Crips, and it wasn't 74 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: long before Jason followed in his footsteps that. 75 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 2: Side of town. Being in a gang or being from 76 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 2: a gang, it really wasn't like we were gang bangings. 77 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 2: We just hung out together. We went to school together, 78 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: after school, we were just hanging out. We're just having 79 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: a good time. It wasn't consumed with oh, we're young 80 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 2: and we're selling drugs to support our family. That wasn't 81 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 2: our story. 82 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: As Jason remembers it, being in the Mansfield Crips was 83 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 1: a way of learning the ropes and learning about life. 84 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: He says, the older members of the gang were actually 85 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 1: a good influence. 86 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 2: They never told me anything wrong. They always encouraged me 87 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 2: to stay in school. So they're dropping me off at school, 88 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 2: they're picking me up from school, we're going on these trips. 89 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: We're going camping, we're going to the snow, and they're 90 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 2: encouraging me to do the right thing. When people are saying, oh, 91 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 2: gang banging is bad and gang members are bad, I'm 92 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 2: not saying that because these are the same people that 93 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 2: I know are gang members. But they're telling me good things. 94 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: Friend, you know, we were talking about how he wounds 95 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: up in a gang. Do you remember finding out about 96 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: that or what that was like. 97 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 4: Well, when you live in certain neighborhoods, there are gangs. 98 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 4: It's not a protection thing, but they know who you 99 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 4: are because you live in the neighborhood and you know 100 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 4: who they are, but you're not always necessarily participating. I'm 101 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 4: not saying he didn't associate, but he didn't have He 102 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 4: never had any problems or with the police or criminal 103 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 4: activity that involved association with a gang. 104 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 2: No, you know, we did have conflicts or verbal spats 105 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:03,239 Speaker 2: or cups with other kids and whatnot. That it wasn't 106 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 2: so much of a violent thing. It was more of 107 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: a unit family, a togetherness as when we were younger. 108 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: But there was a time when Jason found himself in 109 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: a confrontation with someone from another gang. It was the 110 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: fall of two thousand and five, when Jason was around 111 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: twenty one, Jason was driving around South Central with his girlfriend, 112 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: Amber Jones, and his two young nephews. They stopped by 113 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: Amber's house on Rodeo Road, which was on the turf 114 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: of the Roll In Thirties, a rival. 115 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: Gang, and being from the gang, I was hyper alerted. 116 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 2: I was always aware of my surroundings. I had my 117 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: two younger nephews with me, so that made me more 118 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 2: vigilant because I couldn't afford for something to happen to 119 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 2: these two kids. So when we pull up our and 120 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 2: I see the kid walking on the opposite side of 121 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 2: the street coming my direction. 122 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: The kid was fourteen year old Edward Williams. Ember knew 123 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: him through a friend of her uncle's. 124 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, he's a little kid. He's just big 125 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: for his age, so okay, no problem. When he realizes 126 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: that it tempers in the car, that kind of made 127 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 2: him escalate with his antics as far as preaching like 128 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 2: he had a gun and posturing and throwing up gang 129 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 2: signs or whatnot. 130 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 1: Edward was a junior member of a gang called the 131 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 1: Rolling Forties, and they were in Rollin thirties territory. Jason 132 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: knew that all Edward's showing off could lead to. 133 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 2: Trouble their direct rivals. This is a serious rivalry. He 134 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 2: was asking me where was I from at that time? 135 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 2: Even though I was young, I wasn't focused on the 136 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 2: day to day gang banking. Wanted something different in life, 137 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 2: so I wasn't worried about over from what color are 138 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 2: you wearing? That nonsense. I ultimately was trying to let 139 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 2: him know, Hey, you're on Rodeo Boulevard. This is a 140 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 2: main street that leads to the Jungles, which is a 141 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 2: predominantly blood neighborhood. And so while you're doing a gang sign, 142 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: zat mean from across this busy street, you don't know 143 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 2: who's driving up and down this street that might see you. 144 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: That you're putting a target on yourself. 145 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: But despite Jason's warning, Edward kept it up. Finally, Jason 146 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 1: did get out of his car. 147 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: When I got out of the car and I approached him, 148 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 2: I let him know that I was from Mansfield. I 149 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 2: didn't want no problems with him. I got back in 150 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 2: the car. That was the end of the conversation. That 151 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: was the end of the I guess you can call 152 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: it an altercation, and that was the last time I 153 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: had ever seen it. 154 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: Two weeks later, Jason was driving down Pigo Boulevard. As 155 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: he passed Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles, he spotted a fellow 156 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: crip who had recently gotten out of prison. 157 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 2: So I stopped. We're talking. More people that we know 158 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 2: are starting to pull up, and we're hanging out with smoking, 159 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 2: and we were waiting for his sister. 160 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: His friend's sister was on her way with tickets to 161 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: a concert, but she kept calling to say she was delayed. 162 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 2: It will be one excuse after the other. Oh, we 163 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 2: stopped to get drinks and we'll be there in ten minutes. Oh, 164 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 2: my friend left something at her house, will be there 165 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 2: in twenty minutes. Or we stopped here, we'll be there 166 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 2: in fifteen minutes. That stretched out for over an hour 167 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 2: or so, to the point where they never ended up arriving. 168 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 2: So ultimately we just hung out at Roscoe's for a 169 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 2: a couple hours, just doing what we did on the regular, 170 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 2: talking to people, talking to girls, smoking and just hanging out. 171 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: And that was Jason's entire Sunday evening, just kicking it 172 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: with friends in the parking lot at Roscoe's. Meanwhile, a 173 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: few miles away, a very different drama was unfolding. 174 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 5: And so there's carnivals in town. It's a Friday night. 175 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 5: It's a pop up carnival in a parking lot. It's 176 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 5: on the corner of Rodeo Road and Second Avenue in 177 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 5: Los Angeles. And there's a lot of people there. 178 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: This is Michael Simanchic, executive director of the Innocent Center. 179 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 5: There's cars everywhere, and there's kids, and there's there's probably 180 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 5: I think I've heard reports there might have been thirty 181 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 5: or forty people just outside the carnival gate. So on 182 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 5: the evening of November thirteenth, two thousand and five, just 183 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 5: after seven pm, and Jewel opened fire and fired six 184 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 5: five to six rounds. A couple of rounds struck a 185 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 5: child named William Cox I believe was fourteen at the time, 186 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 5: and another couple of rounds struck and injured Edward Williams. 187 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: The same kid from the Rolling Forties that Jason had 188 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: had a run in with a couple weeks before. 189 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 5: Edward Williams was transported by ambulance to the hospital shortly 190 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 5: thereafter and was in critical condition until a few days later, 191 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 5: and william Cox died of the scene. 192 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: And to put this incident into context, we need a 193 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: little background on the gang situation in South Central at 194 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: the time. 195 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 5: So there were two gangs that were at war at 196 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 5: the time of the crime. It's the Roland thirties and 197 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 5: the Rollin forties. The thirties and the forties were fighting 198 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 5: over the territory right where the carnival was taking place. 199 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 5: Edward Williams was part of the Baby Hustlers also known 200 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 5: as the Baby forties, and he had recently been jumped 201 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 5: into the forties. The thirties were comprised of this individual 202 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 5: named Jay Rock, who Edward Williams first mentioned at the hospital, 203 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 5: another individual named Terrell who was in a dispute with 204 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 5: Edward Williams at a Halloween party about two weeks before 205 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 5: this incident, and four or five other individuals that were 206 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 5: all spotted at the scene at the carnival that night. 207 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 5: So we had both a group of thirties and then 208 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 5: we had Edward Williams who was a forties self admitted member. 209 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 5: And William Cox was not claiming a gang and in 210 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 5: fact I believe he had actually told Edward Williams not 211 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 5: to be involved in the gangs because he thought it 212 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 5: was dangerous. 213 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: After the shooting occurred, police and ambulances were soon on 214 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: the scene and Edward was taken to the hospital. 215 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 5: I believe he was in critical condition when he arrives, 216 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 5: and he's on a bunch of medication, but he's jotting 217 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 5: down notes because he can't speak at this point, and 218 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 5: he writes down that it's Jay Jay Rock from Roll 219 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 5: in thirties. 220 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: But somehow, over the next few days, someone else entered 221 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: into Edward's narrative, and. 222 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 5: Two days later he then switches to saying it was 223 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 5: Amber's friend who did it. And I don't know it's 224 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 5: if it's entirely clear that we know how that shift happens, 225 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 5: where he goes from thinking it's somebody in the thirties 226 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 5: to thinking it's Jason. 227 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: Remember, Jason was in the Mansfield Crips, not the Roll 228 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: in thirties. But going back to the night of the shooting, 229 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: around ten or so, Jason left the gathering at Roscoe's 230 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: to go pick up Amber from work. 231 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 2: We came back to my mother's house and that was 232 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: how we ended the night. The next morning, she woke 233 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: up and being that her family knew the family. Her 234 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: mother let her know that Hey Edwards was shot last night. 235 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 2: I didn't he didn't put one in one together that 236 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 2: the kid from weeks prior was Edward until later on 237 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 2: when she had said, you know that was the kid, 238 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 2: and it's like wow that he shot on the same 239 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 2: very street that we had having what they were calling 240 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 2: an altercation week's prior for what they said was doing 241 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 2: the same thing, being out gang banging, you know, bringing 242 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: that attention to herself. 243 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: A few days later, Jason was out having lunch with 244 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: his two nephews. 245 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 2: I had just picked my nephews up from school. I 246 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: came to Poki Dogs. I ordered them something to eat. 247 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 2: I was standing at the table. 248 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: A squad car cruise by outside, and Jason recognized one 249 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: of the cops, Officer Gutierrez. 250 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 2: So when he passed by, he threw up the peace 251 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 2: sign or waved at me and beans rebellious. I believe 252 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 2: I flipped him the bird, he smiled. That was the 253 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 2: relationship between the officers in the neighborhood and the youth 254 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 2: in the neighborhood. 255 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: But this friendly exchange soon turned into something else. Jason 256 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: had no idea that the police were out looking for him. 257 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: To charge him in the carnival shooting. The squad car 258 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: swung back around and pulled up at the restaurant. Jason 259 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: was arrested and taken to the Wilshare Division police station. 260 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 2: Once I was placed in the holding tank, and I 261 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 2: guess you can say, actually charged with the crime, my 262 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 2: mind raised as to where was I because just it 263 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 2: blew my mind that I was in jail for uh homicide. 264 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: But so at the hospital, Edward had named several rival 265 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: gang members in the shooting. How did the police wind 266 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: up getting your name? 267 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 2: So? I don't know, because he always would shift. If 268 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 2: you get let him talk, he will say it was 269 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 2: the guys from the Rowland thirties. He even named the 270 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 2: guy multiple times. He named people that lived on his 271 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 2: street by name and begged the police go talk to them. 272 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 2: They'll tell you who the guy was that shot me. 273 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 2: The police never did a proper investigation. They never went 274 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 2: to go talk to anyone that had information that made sense. 275 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 2: And I figured out later one day when he was 276 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 2: in the hospital, is one of his older brothers was 277 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 2: in the hospital room when he was talking to the officers, 278 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 2: and I guess he just heard him say, oh, Amber's boyfriend, 279 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 2: or he was talking about multiple incidents. He talked about 280 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 2: the day that we had seen each other in front 281 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 2: of Amber's house. He was talking about a fight that 282 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 2: took place at a Halloween party. I had never been 283 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 2: to this Halloween party. But the police were jump owing 284 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 2: everything together as if there was one situation, one day, 285 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 2: one event. So I guess when the brother heard Amber's boyfriend, 286 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 2: he asked Amber's uncle, who's Amber's boyfriend? He just knew 287 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 2: that my name was Jason and that I was from Mansfield. 288 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: The detectives ran Jason's name by Officer Gutierrez and the 289 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: other officers at the Wilshire Division. 290 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 2: They opened up the book of all the people that 291 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 2: they believed were members of the Mansfields. They identified into 292 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 2: the detectives, this is Jason, He's from Mansfield, whatnot. And 293 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 2: that's where things just started to snowball and I became 294 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 2: target number one. 295 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,719 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Wrongful Conviction with Maggie Freeling. 296 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: You can listen to this and all the LoVa for 297 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: Good podcasts one week early and ad free by subscribing 298 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. 299 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 2: I didn't know what wrawful condition was I never thought 300 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 2: that that would even happen. I knew I didn't do anything, 301 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: but I didn't at the time remember where where was? 302 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 2: I have nothing in my life. Told me that I 303 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 2: had to remember where I am and what I'm doing 304 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: every second of the day, every day, every night. 305 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: After hours of questioning, Jason was transferred to Southwest Division 306 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: and placed in a holding cell. That night, he called 307 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: Amber to help him remember where he had been the 308 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: night of November thirteenth. 309 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 2: We're replaying events, saying, she let me know that was 310 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 2: the night that you were supposed to go to the concert. Okay, perfect. 311 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 2: That means I was at Rosco's. 312 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: Jason and Amber were able to call Roscoe's and speak 313 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: to the manager who had been on duty that night. 314 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 2: So he said, I asked him, you know, do you 315 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 2: have the surveillance cameras. He said, yeah, we still have tapes. 316 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 2: So he asked, well, around what time was it? So 317 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 2: I said a little before seven. So he fast forwarded 318 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 2: and he's watching and I remember him saying I got you, 319 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 2: I got you. When he recognized my car pulling in, 320 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 2: he said, yeah, I got you. You're you're on camera 321 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 2: and you pulled in at this time so it started 322 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 2: with the surveillance camera as an alibi. 323 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: And there was something else that placed Jason at Roscoe's 324 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: that night. 325 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 2: There was a celf On tower one block north of Roscoe's, 326 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 2: Chicken and Waffles on the Brea and San Vincentain. So 327 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 2: my calls are being picked up off of that celf 328 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 2: On towers. Okay, Well, now I feel good that I'm 329 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 2: going to end up getting out and everything's going to 330 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 2: be okay. I got proved. 331 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: But nine months later, in August of two thousand and six, 332 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: Jason went to trial in front of Judge Larry Findler. 333 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: The prosecutor was Deputy District Attorney Paul Kim. 334 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 335 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 5: The prosecution's theory at the time of trial was that 336 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,479 Speaker 5: Jason had had this prior interaction about a month before 337 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 5: the crime, where he got in an argument with Edward Williams. 338 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 5: And that's the only interaction that Jason ever had with 339 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 5: Edward Williams. And so the prosecution alleged that this interaction 340 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 5: proceeded Jason seeing Edward Williams and William Cox at this 341 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 5: carnival in south central LA and when he sees these 342 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 5: two individuals, he has a gun in his hoodie pocket, 343 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 5: and he shoots through his hoodie and kills William Cox 344 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 5: and wounds Edward Williams and then flees the scene. 345 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: So one of the things that the prosecution said was 346 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: that you would have been able to go from Roscoe's 347 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: to this carnival. 348 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 2: Is that possible? It's not possible at all, by no 349 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 2: such of the imagination. 350 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: Remember, Jason was seen on the surveillance video for nearly 351 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: the entire evening. 352 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 2: I was only off film at Roscoe's. I believe from 353 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 2: maybe twelve to eighteen minutes. That wouldn't have been enough 354 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 2: time to make it from Roscoe's to the carnival, change 355 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 2: my clothes, lying in wait, find Edward. 356 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 5: Officers took the stand and claimed that it was possible 357 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 5: for him to make the drive, change his clothes, talk 358 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 5: to the girls, do the shooting changes, run, change his clothes, 359 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 5: get back and get on camera. We've done time trials ourselves. 360 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 5: The quickest we've been able to do it is seven minutes. 361 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 5: The average was actually nine minutes driving. 362 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: The prosecution also presented an alleged witness, a carnival worker 363 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: named Richard Gray. Gray had given police a statement soon 364 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: after the shooting, but by the time of trial, his 365 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: story had already changed several times. 366 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 5: Richard Gray says he initially says I only saw the 367 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 5: shooter fleeing, and I only saw him from behind, didn't 368 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 5: get a chance to see his face, doesn't initially say 369 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 5: he's able to make an identification, and then a week 370 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 5: later he picked Walton out of a six pack photo lineup. 371 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 5: At trial, he has like a soft recant, I'll call it, 372 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 5: or says I wasn't really able to see. I'm not 373 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 5: entirely sure. But the thing about Richard Gray, and what's 374 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 5: so interesting is that Richard Gray, from the point where 375 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 5: he says he was standing, could not have seen the 376 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 5: shooting take place. 377 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: The shooting happened on the corner of Rodeo Road and 378 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: Second Avenue, in the street just outside the entrance to 379 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: the carnival. Richard Gray was stationed at a ride inside 380 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: the carnival area, a short distance back from the entrance. 381 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 5: There was a row of poor potties that were blocking 382 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 5: Richard Gray's view between him and where the shooting happened 383 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 5: on just off the corner where it occurred. 384 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: Edward Williams also took the stand and identified Jason, even 385 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: though he admitted he hadn't seen the shooter's face and 386 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: had not even seen a gun. 387 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 5: And then they also had gang experts that identified Walton 388 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 5: as a member of the Mansfield Crips, which at the 389 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 5: time were allegedly allies with the Rolling Thirties gang, which 390 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 5: was at war with the Rolling Forties. And so that's 391 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 5: the essentially the crux of the prosecution's case. 392 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: Jason's defense attorneys were Jerry Kaplan and Helene Farber. 393 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 5: The defensive trial was that Jason Walton was in fact 394 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 5: at the Roscoes, that there were these other individuals that 395 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 5: could have possibly been interested in doing harm to these 396 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 5: two individuals, and that it was an eyewitness misidentification. One 397 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 5: of the things that Edward Williams had said was that 398 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 5: the shooter was on the curb and Edward Williams was 399 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 5: on the street from the curb. The shooter was still 400 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 5: shorter than Edward Williams, so this suggested that the person 401 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 5: that was the shooter was probably five four to five six. Now, 402 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 5: Jason Walton at the time of the crime was six 403 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 5: foot one. 404 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: And then the witnesses who saw Jason at Roscoe's, did 405 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: they testify at trial? 406 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, I believe the two that testified at trial. There 407 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 5: was an individual named Nico who was a gang intervention 408 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 5: specialist who recognized Jason and saw him at the seat 409 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 5: at Roscoe's, and then I believe it was the manager 410 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 5: of Roscoe's testified to the security camera footage and then 411 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 5: confirmed that he saw Jason at Roscoe's from six' six 412 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 5: something until after eight o'clock. 413 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: That, night but that wasn't enough to convince the. Jury 414 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: In august, fourteenth two thousand and, Six jason was convicted 415 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: of the first degree murder Of William cox an attempted 416 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: murder Of Edward. Williams he was sentenced to fifty years to. 417 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: Life he was twenty one years. 418 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 2: OLD i was, CONFUSED i was, HEARTBROKEN i was, lost 419 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 2: and it just wasn't real to me THAT i was. 420 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 2: CONVICTED i just knew in my mind that something is 421 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 2: going to. Happen they're going to realize a mistake was 422 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 2: made And i'm going to get. Out it took years 423 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 2: of even being in prison to realize, that, hey this is, 424 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 2: Real like my life doesn't mean. Anything they don't. CARE 425 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 2: i was put In Salinas Valley Maximum Security prison on 426 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 2: the one eighty yard been my first twenty four hours, 427 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 2: There i've seen an officer attacked and. Beaten within the first, 428 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 2: WEEK i witnessed the first person of many, people unfortunately 429 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 2: stabbed and murdered in. Prison the first time That i've 430 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 2: ever seen certain levels of, violence the first TIME i seen, 431 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 2: death the first Time i've seen savage beatings and stabberings 432 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 2: and people just normalized it was in, prison and this 433 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 2: is WHERE i was dropped, off And i'm expected to 434 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 2: walk on. 435 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 4: Eggshells to be honest with, YOU i only went to 436 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 4: trial maybe once or. TWICE i just couldn't do. It 437 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 4: it was too devastating for. 438 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 1: Me when her son went to, Prison fran was grief. 439 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 4: STRICKEN i still have a lot of. ANXIETY i might 440 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 4: wake up at four o'clock in the, morning unable to, 441 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 4: sleep heart, pounding. Stressed i'm his, mom his best, friend 442 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 4: and he knew HOW i felt because we we cried about. 443 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 4: It he, Said, Mom i'm not Gonna he, SAID i 444 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 4: didn't do, this And i'm not going to be able 445 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 4: to make. 446 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 2: IT i ultimately felt that in order to get, OUT 447 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 2: i would have to advocate for. MYSELF i would have 448 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 2: to have my family and friends advocate me for me 449 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 2: to getting the attention and awareness from people that are 450 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 2: advocates and that are fighting for, justice so people would, 451 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 2: understand how does a young man have a surveillance camera 452 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 2: or cell phone, records how does he have an alibi 453 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 2: like this and ultimately still be found. 454 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: Guilty jason appealed his conviction to the trial court numerous, 455 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: times but it seemed no one wanted to listen to the. 456 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 2: Truth they would deny me time after time with anything 457 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 2: and everything that was submitted in my. Favor after maybe 458 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 2: seven to ten, YEARS i felt like my life didn't. 459 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,479 Speaker 2: Matter i'm just another black kid from the streets and 460 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 2: a gang. MEMBER i don't feel like they ultimately cared 461 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 2: about the victim nor. Myself it's, like, okay, well one 462 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 2: gang members, dead one gang member, shot one gang members in. 463 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 2: Jail we got a three for. 464 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 4: One in a, way it started during trial where all the, 465 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 4: evidence it just seemed like everyone was against. Us no 466 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 4: one was In jason's. Favor the original, lawyer he left 467 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 4: a little bit to be. Desired we also had an 468 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 4: appeals attorney he didn't follow. Through, so, yes there were 469 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 4: so many things that did not appear to be in our. 470 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: Favor just a few days After jason was, convicted his, 471 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: Son tyler was. 472 00:29:55,560 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 2: BORN i was determined to be a good. Father that 473 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 2: meant something to, me to make sure THAT i was 474 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 2: a part of my son's. Life and the choices THAT 475 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 2: i had made that led me to, prison or the 476 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 2: things THAT i had been through that put me in, 477 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 2: prison didn't affect my son as far as, OH i 478 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 2: don't have a, Father so his first, steps his first, 479 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 2: words were captured on a cell phone and sent to. 480 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,959 Speaker 2: Me he would call me when he wanted, something and 481 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 2: IF i had to sacrifice getting the package or going 482 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 2: the commissary this, month SO i can use that money 483 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 2: to buy him the things that he wanted or that he, 484 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 2: Needed that's WHAT i. 485 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 4: Did he's, Great he's really. Great he's on top of 486 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 4: school and, activities things That tyler may have going on 487 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 4: on the. Weekends he's a good. 488 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: Dad how did you describe things To tyler when he, 489 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,239 Speaker 1: wondered you know what happened with his dad when he 490 00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: was a. 491 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 4: Kid explained exactly what, happened and his mom had newspaper. 492 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 4: Clippings he knows what took, place he knows the, accusations 493 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 4: he knows that his dad went to. Court he knows 494 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 4: that his dad was found guilty and there was no 495 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 4: need to sugarcoat it or lie or make stories or. 496 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 4: Excuses he needed to. Know he's a young. 497 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 2: Man i'm very proud of my. SON i tell him 498 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 2: all the. Time he's an amazing. Kid he's just turned 499 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 2: seventeen In. August his name Is Tyler. Walton i'm nick 500 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 2: name some King. 501 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 6: Tyler at, FIRST i was as a kid THAT i wasn't, 502 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 6: Nervous but WHEN i finally you, know sat down and you, 503 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 6: know it was face to, face it was really more 504 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 6: of a kind of like a wow, woman like. 505 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 2: Dang you know. 506 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 6: This is this is whom my dad is really an amazing. 507 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: Person, yeah do you tell people your dad's in? 508 00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 2: Prison? 509 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 6: Occasionally know IF, i IF i know, Them i'll be, like, 510 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 6: yeah this is you know WHAT i go. Through this 511 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 6: is WHAT i have to suffer. With but it's something 512 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 6: THAT i KNOW i CAN i can handle BECAUSE i 513 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 6: know it's you, know it's not forever. 514 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: Obviously what is that that you go through. 515 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 6: A lot of, stuff, well a lot a lot of, thoughts, 516 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 6: memories emotions THAT i feel within, Myself BUT i have 517 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 6: learned to kind of have an understanding of. Them and 518 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 6: accept them and use them as a way of, motivation 519 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 6: And i've taken more as a learning opportunity and if, 520 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 6: anything so it's LIKE i really have to make something of, 521 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 6: it AND i have to do something that would you, 522 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 6: know show some light more than light has already been 523 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 6: drown and really kind of prove to everyone that even 524 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 6: with these circumstances you can still do. GREAT i plan 525 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 6: on having a very bright. Future you, know. 526 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: When we spoke With frann And tyler over a video, 527 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: chat they were wearing IDENTICAL t. SHIRTS i couldn't read 528 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: them from the, screen SO i asked them what they. 529 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 6: Said, yeah it Says Jason walton was wrongfully convicted from 530 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 6: rider evidence used to give some him proof that he 531 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 6: was innoct Of. 532 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: How Did jason's case come to? 533 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 5: You jason wrote to us in the late two, thousands 534 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 5: claiming innocence and saying that he was not involved in 535 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 5: any way in the case and that he was At 536 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 5: Roscoe's chicken And waffles when the shooting. 537 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: Occurred so what made you really dive in and want 538 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: to look at? This what was it about his? 539 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 5: Case jason was on security camera footage at The Roscoe's 540 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 5: chicken and. Waffles and you know what's interesting about that 541 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 5: is that the security camera footage was available at the 542 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 5: time of. Trial so from the start it was like 543 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 5: he had this awesome alibi and for some reason it 544 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 5: just didn't play to the. Jury so that's really what 545 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 5: sold me on this. Case on top of, that as 546 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 5: we dug into the, case we found all of these 547 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 5: inconsistencies throughout the, investigation as well as uncovered some incredibly 548 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 5: motivated third party suspects that more likely committed this. 549 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: Crime one important key to unraveling the case was a 550 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: man Named Christopher, green one of the witnesses who spoke 551 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: to investigators after the. Shooting, strangely his statement was never 552 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 1: brought up at. Trial Christopher green was a carnival ride. 553 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,839 Speaker 1: Operator him And Richard gray were actually coworkers at this 554 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: carnival and What green told investigators this he went and 555 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: left to go to a convenience store across the. Street 556 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 1: in twenty, Sixteen michael and The Innocent center sent their 557 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: own investigator to Interview. Christopher he told them everything he 558 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: had told the, police and as it turns, Out Christopher 559 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: green may have been the only witness who was close 560 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: enough to you see what actually happened. 561 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 5: On his walk back as he's making his way around 562 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 5: the corner to go back into the, carnival essentially right 563 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,720 Speaker 5: where the porta potties are that are Blocking Richard gray's. 564 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,839 Speaker 5: View green's coming around the corner and he sees an 565 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 5: arm extended essentially over his, shoulder and he sees a. 566 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 5: Gun and it's this gun that ends up firing five 567 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 5: to six rounds and shooting and Wounding Edward williams and 568 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 5: striking and Killing William. Cox and he gets a look 569 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 5: at the, shooter but says he doesn't think he'd be 570 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,359 Speaker 5: able to identify the shooter because the shooter had a 571 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 5: black hoodie on and the hood was. Up Christopher green 572 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 5: is the only witness at the scene that's told police 573 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,439 Speaker 5: that he saw a. Gun Edward williams said he didn't 574 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,320 Speaker 5: see a. Gun he thought the shooting happened from Allegedly 575 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,320 Speaker 5: Jason walton firing through a. Hoodie so If Christopher. 576 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: Green actually saw the, shooting how Did Richard gray become 577 00:35:58,920 --> 00:35:59,879 Speaker 1: the prosecution star? 578 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 5: Witness so in our subsequent post conviction, investigation what we 579 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 5: learned is That green went and Told gray everything that he, 580 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 5: saw And gray then either trying to be the savior 581 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 5: or being pressured by police because of his own criminal 582 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 5: liability that might have existed in other. Cases agrees to 583 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 5: cooperate and takes parts Of Christopher green's story as his. 584 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 5: Own tells police and makes this sort of soft. Identification 585 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 5: but if you talk To, Green green's unable to make 586 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 5: the identification because the hoodie is pulled up over this shooter's, 587 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 5: head and he also describes having seen the, gun totally 588 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 5: inconsistent with What Edward williams. Says immediately After Edward williams is, 589 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 5: Shot green runs up To williams and he gets down 590 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 5: and he's, like, hey there's an ambulance. Coming someone's just 591 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 5: called nine to one, One And Edward williams spontaneously, SAYS 592 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 5: i don't know who did. THIS i don't know who 593 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 5: would want to do. This so that's a crucial piece 594 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 5: of information because If Edward williams knew who it, was 595 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 5: then he would have said it in that, moment and he. 596 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 5: Doesn't he says he didn't know who did. 597 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: It, well if the police had all this information From Christopher, 598 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: green why didn't they use it at? Trial? 599 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 5: YEAH i MEAN i think the most important things were 600 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 5: That Christopher green probably had the best vantage point for 601 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 5: seeing the shooter and didn't play a part in the 602 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 5: prosecution's case because it didn't fit their. Theory Richard gray 603 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 5: wasn't able to see, anything and yet he played a 604 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 5: major part of the prosecution's case because he had made 605 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 5: that tentative identification prior to. Trial and so it was 606 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,240 Speaker 5: kind of a situation in which the prosecution was cherry 607 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 5: picking the information they were presenting in order to make 608 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 5: it fit their, theory AND i think that resulted In 609 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 5: jason's wrongful. 610 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: Conviction michael believes the most likely scenario is That Edward 611 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: williams was being targe by a rival. Gang there was. 612 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 5: A witness Named Drew maxwell who told police at the 613 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 5: time That Edward williams had actually been shot at in 614 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 5: the week's leading up to, this And Edward williams being 615 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,240 Speaker 5: this new jumped in member of The baby forties certainly 616 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:21,280 Speaker 5: made him a. Target and the graffiti and the fact 617 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,359 Speaker 5: that a number of people at the scene said they 618 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 5: Saw Jay rock and another individual from the thirties Named 619 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 5: terrell who had been at The halloween. Party in gang 620 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 5: cases like, this it's often difficult to get people to 621 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 5: talk and let us know who actually committed the. Crime 622 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,279 Speaker 5: i'm hopeful that we're able to develop at least a 623 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 5: little bit more evidence that suggest it Wasn't jason and 624 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 5: in fact it was another. Individual it was somebody that 625 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 5: is you, know is still out there or is in 626 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 5: prison or. 627 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 1: Whatever, yeah so what kind of evidence are you looking? 628 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 5: For so In jason's, case we've attempted to GET dna 629 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 5: testing on the shell casings at the scene and. Failed 630 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 5: rejected that Because Edward williams Knew Jason walton and said 631 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,360 Speaker 5: That jason was the, shooter so it wasn't an eyewitness. 632 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 5: Misidentification in the court's, minds there was no. Confusion my 633 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,880 Speaker 5: position is That Edward williams was mistaken that it wasn't Actually, 634 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 5: jason and SO dna testing the shell casings would help 635 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 5: us to figure out who at least loaded the gun that. 636 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 1: Night when that, Happens michael believes it will be a 637 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: turning point in their efforts to Prove jason's. Innocence fran 638 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,799 Speaker 1: remains hopeful To she Says jason's positive attitude has helped 639 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 1: her gain perspective on the. 640 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,760 Speaker 4: Situation he had told me THAT i should not feel 641 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 4: Like i'm the only mom that has a son who's 642 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 4: been incarcerated or is incarcerated or accused of committing a 643 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 4: crime that they did not, commit BECAUSE i was so 644 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 4: afraid of what would be said or how people would 645 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 4: feel about, me how they would feel about the, family 646 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 4: and how they would feel about my. Son and as 647 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 4: we're finding, out wrongful convictions is everywhere all over the. 648 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 2: World my, mother my, grandmother who's ninety two years, old 649 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,799 Speaker 2: tells me she misses me And harry up they come 650 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 2: home and my son that those are my motivating factors 651 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 2: and ultimately to clear my. 652 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,759 Speaker 1: Name Friend tyler And jason's grandmother are all waiting to 653 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: welcome him home and to cook some of his favorite meals. 654 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:43,880 Speaker 4: Bake, salmon, bakchoi saffron, rice steamed, vegetables and fried, chicken 655 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,360 Speaker 4: chicken and, dumplings all that good hearty. 656 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,319 Speaker 1: Stuff and there's someone else who will be there For 657 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: jason when he's finally. 658 00:40:53,280 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 2: Released my wife's name Is Diamond. Walton we were friends 659 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 2: for since maybe two thousand and. Twelve our relationship grew 660 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 2: from friendships and to a desire to be with each, 661 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 2: other a love for each. Other it came from her 662 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:21,360 Speaker 2: always motivating, me praying over, me praying with, me speaking 663 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 2: life into me at times WHEN i was feeling, defeated and, 664 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 2: see she motivates me a lot to stay, focused to 665 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 2: believe in myself and know THAT i can achieve the 666 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 2: things THAT i want to, achieve and ultimately that is 667 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:45,799 Speaker 2: clearing my name and being. Exonerated i've never done anything like, 668 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 2: this AND i hope that people relate to me and 669 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 2: understand That i'm more than a. Number i'm more than 670 00:41:54,200 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 2: a gang, Banker i'm more than a, prisoner, innate and 671 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,239 Speaker 2: Ultimately i'm more than someone that was wrongfully. 672 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: Convicted And jason has lots of plans to get started 673 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:11,280 Speaker 1: on when that, happens including reviving one of his childhood. 674 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:16,360 Speaker 2: DREAMS i would love to still be an. ATTORNEY i 675 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 2: would love to be a part of an organization THAT 676 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 2: i can give. BACK i can help bring hope to 677 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,320 Speaker 2: people that are in this, position that don't have, hope 678 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 2: that don't believe that they're going to get, out that 679 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 2: don't trust the. SYSTEM i don't want that just to 680 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 2: be the story of my life where ALL i can say, Is, 681 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 2: Hey i'm someone that was wrongfully. Convicted HOPEFULLY i can 682 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 2: turn this negative into something, positive OR i can take 683 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 2: something positive from it where people can. LEARN i want 684 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 2: to be a part of making sure that wrongful conviction 685 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 2: ultimately becomes something that doesn't. Exist i'm sorry IF i 686 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,320 Speaker 2: have to put us all out of. Business we have 687 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 2: else to interview With. Adam be a good. 688 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 1: Day to learn more and see any updates About jason's. 689 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 1: Case visit The innocencenter dot. 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