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Speaker 3: About their failures.

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Speaker 2: If they're here, they're already successful, but we want to

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Speaker 2: know how they got there. Today, I have the pleasure

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Speaker 2: of Emmy nominated TV hosts, journalist, fashion designer, producer, media personality.

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Speaker 2: She's been seen on E News, Nightly Pop, Dating, No Filter,

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Speaker 2: and hosts of multiple love and hip hop reunion specials.

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Speaker 2: Currently my co hosts on Friday Night Vibes. She's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Nina is my big sister, Ladies and gentlemen, Nina Parker,

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Speaker 2: before we start, I must tell the people this.

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Speaker 3: And now I've done told you this before.

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Speaker 2: Okay when when we started Friday Night Vibes, Yes, I

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Speaker 1: You did.

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Speaker 2: I had never done prompter work before, I had never

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Speaker 2: was like, come on, you.

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Speaker 3: Can sit with us. She helped me with the prompter.

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Speaker 2: Saying things out speak Nina Parker in the nicest way.

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Speaker 3: Hey, can we get this? Is it okay? If we

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Speaker 3: do this now, we ain't gonna do this. I ain't

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Speaker 1: So we gonna get in and get out and we

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Speaker 3: And we ain't got to waste and I'm not gonna do.

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Speaker 1: This fifteen times. We got it, Let's move it.

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Speaker 2: And I was at that point I would have been

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Speaker 3: You had already done.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you're new, you're just like you play

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Speaker 1: and you're just but in your mind you're like this,

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Speaker 1: if you if you've it long enough, you know what works,

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Speaker 1: just like, for all of us, let's have worked together

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Speaker 1: that I'm going or they'll come to you with a

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Speaker 2: And Nina also, and I've said this before, Nina's way funnier.

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Speaker 1: He thinks, Oh yeah, I used to feel like on

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Speaker 1: But then I got too much to lose. And I'm

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Speaker 1: I've been in a love triangle of two's what we

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Speaker 1: My twenties were crazy. Oh, my thirties a little bit too.

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Speaker 2: Let's go all the way back, back back back back

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Speaker 1: I probably regret this interview.

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Speaker 1: I learned all of these skills. So when I got

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Speaker 1: out of college and I was, you know, president of

436
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Speaker 1: these clubs, I'm a delta, like, I'm big girl on

437
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,679
Speaker 1: campus like and so I was like, you know what

438
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. I'm gonna move to New York and

439
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get on MTV. I didn't have I had

440
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 1: an internship, but I didn't really have experience. I definitely

441
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:55,359
Speaker 1: have no experience for MTV right at twenty one years old, okay,

442
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,679
Speaker 1: but no representation and a broken suitcase like you girl.

443
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,440
Speaker 1: So I went to New York and I got an apartment,

444
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,639
Speaker 1: but well, my friend was already living out there and

445
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 1: she was like, oh, we have a spare room, you

446
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 1: can come live here. I get there and it's a closet.

447
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 1: Oh no, it was like a setup. We still don't

448
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 1: speak to this day. Chall I was like, you would

449
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,919
Speaker 1: never see me again. But being mice infested house, it

450
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 1: was a mask I had. We had to get a

451
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,880
Speaker 1: cat because there were so many mice in our apartment,

452
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 1: and I remember the landlord being like, I don't know,

453
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 1: low pets, and I was like, you got them already, babes.

454
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 1: You got furry creatures in this motherfucker already. So we're

455
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 1: gonna get.

456
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 3: A cat just add to the ecosystems.

457
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Speaker 1: We got a cat named Diesel. He came and cleared

458
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Speaker 1: the mice out in one day.

459
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Speaker 2: And my dad was like, you got to get a mouser.

460
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 1: It's a cat that catches mice.

461
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 3: Oh this a certain time.

462
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, but we got Garfield got this right.

463
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:51,439
Speaker 3: That's all I know.

464
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 1: We got this cat and it cleared things out, and

465
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Speaker 1: it was just a horror. Yes, it came stresses, stresses

466
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 1: calls out and went to work. It was just it

467
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: was New York. Was just a disappointment because I really

468
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 1: expected it to be sex in the city and it

469
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 1: was not sex in the city. It was crookling. It

470
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,880
Speaker 1: was it was crookling. I moved straight to I moved

471
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Speaker 1: straight to bedsty. I was like, we moved to this

472
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 1: quaint little area called bedstyle, but this is bedstide in

473
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 1: like two thousand.

474
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Speaker 3: And three, prefication.

475
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Speaker 1: This is like, yes, pre pre gentrification. It's still real

476
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 1: in the field, and I just I wasn't prepared for

477
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 1: the culture shock. I just was too young to like.

478
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 1: I just went right in thinking I could just do it,

479
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 1: and I felt miserably in New York. I lasted six months.

480
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 3: Oh wow, I was like, I'm gonna go.

481
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 1: Like it was. It was just it was so much

482
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 1: fun because I was young, but I was broke, like,

483
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: I just didn't and I couldn't break into the industry.

484
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 1: I didn't know how. I got really frustrated, and my

485
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: mom was like, well, you can just come home. So

486
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 1: I came back home and I moved to my parents'

487
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Speaker 1: house in Sacramento. And I just needed money. So it's like, well,

488
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 1: you know, I think my next move's going to be

489
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 1: la and I just need to work for like a

490
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 1: year and save money because I have no money. And

491
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 1: so I found this job. Literally, this is before you

492
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 1: was googling, like, this was back in the day. I

493
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: found in the newspaper. Oh this is not even Cragsy

494
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: No maybe no, it wasn't even Craiglist. It was the

495
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,719
Speaker 1: paper Wow, Sacramento Bee. And it was a position for

496
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: a call center, but it was paying decent and you know,

497
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 1: for the time. And I was like okay, like I

498
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 1: could do this for a year. But a year turn

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Speaker 1: to four, oh, because I actually got like I was

500
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: doing okay there, and I got I kept.

501
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 3: Getting promoted accidentally.

502
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: Good at your job, yes, And now I'm year four

503
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 1: and now I'm seeing like my friends from college get

504
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: into their careers. People are living in different cities. I'm

505
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: in Sacramento. I'm now done, bought a new car, I

506
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 1: have an apartment, and I'm like, how am I supposed

507
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 1: to save? I'm spending more than I'm saving. And then

508
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: I started to get like headaches and like I was

509
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: really severely depressed. Like I was really depressed. I was

510
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: crying every day. I gained like fifty pounds, I was

511
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 1: eating all the time, like I was just in a

512
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 1: really bad way. And I'll just never forget. One day,

513
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: I was sitting at the computer and they were about

514
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: to demote me. Demo, they were about to demote me

515
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: because I got into it with one of the sales

516
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: reps and there you go, and and the sales rep

517
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: sty put in their bio, I mean, their signature, but

518
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: they sometimes would have like their address or phone number,

519
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: and I was like, I got your information if you

520
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: ever want to have a comp and they were like,

521
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: so you can't. You know, you can't say that. So

522
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: we gonna take you off the phones. We gonna We're

523
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: gonna put you with regular. They was about to put

524
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 1: me back because I had gotten to what it was

525
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 1: called an account liaison so I didn't have to talk

526
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: to customers. And they told me they was gonna put

527
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 1: me back in Jim Pop where I was gonna have

528
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 1: to tell people like turn off your phone and started again,

529
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: and I was like kill me now. Yeah, And so

530
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: I remember going home and crying and like I'm getting

531
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: demoted from my job. I don't want, like I don

532
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: want this shit. And I was crying and I'll never forget.

533
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: I was at the computer crying and my mom came

534
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: in the room and was like what are you doing?

535
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 3: And I was like, demote me?

536
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: And she was like how much vacation do you have?

537
00:24:58,760 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: And I was like I got a couple of weeks.

538
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: She was like, so let's go to La. You want

539
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: to be in La. Let's go to La, because what

540
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: are you doing? You ain't got no kids, you ain't

541
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: got no husband, Like what do you want?

542
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 3: Go to laven Right. You talked about you had a

543
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 3: fear from a failing in New York. In LA, I

544
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 3: think I.

545
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: Just got stagnant, and I think I just didn't know

546
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: what to do, so I just didn't do anything. But

547
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: then I remember there was a guy that I was

548
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: in like that was working at the call center and

549
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 1: he was older, and he's like, I'm going back to

550
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 1: school and he was like, I'm going to go to

551
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: San Francisco State and study broadcasting. And I was like,

552
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: he's about to like go do what I've already done.

553
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,959
Speaker 1: And it really like shook me up because I was

554
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: like he was he had all these he was so

555
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: happy and hopeful and had these dreams, and I remember

556
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: being like, wait, what happened to my dreams? Like it

557
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: really checked me. And then I had like a week later,

558
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: I had this conversation with my mom and the demotion

559
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: felt like such a I remember being crushed, like I

560
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: was used to killing everything by that point. By college,

561
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: I was used to whatever I want I got. I

562
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: wanted to be a delta I became adult. I wanted

563
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: to be a good student. I'm a good student. I

564
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: wanted the coveted internship at NBC. I got it. So

565
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: to be in real life and be failing year after

566
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: year was quite the culture shock to my arrogant twenties mind,

567
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: because in my mind I was like, I'm a good girl.

568
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,239
Speaker 1: I go to school, I get the degree. I did

569
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: everything they said I'm gonna do. I pay my taxes

570
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: on time, kind of if they're listening, it's on time.

571
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,719
Speaker 1: And I was just kind of like, I'm doing all

572
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: the things by the book they said I'm gonna do,

573
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 1: but the success isn't here, Like what am I doing wrong?

574
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: And so I think I just kind of hid from

575
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: life and was living and you know, seeing boys and

576
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: doing dumb shit and getting caught up and like letting

577
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: my personal life distract me. And finally I had that

578
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: moment and my mom was like, let's just go to LA.

579
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, And I found a temp agency.

580
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: Now I'm using Google. I found this temp agency. It

581
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: was called Star Temp Agency. They're closed now, but they

582
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: were here in LA and they staffed temps on locks.

583
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: But you were still doing like secretarial work. But I thought, well,

584
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: if I could just get on the lot like then

585
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: like maybe I could do something. And that's what I did,

586
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: and we came out and I found the job and

587
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: I told him I lived here. I found this lady

588
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: who lived in Burbank, right off a path and she

589
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: had a yup. It was my first apartment and it

590
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: was she had an apartment that had a loft. She

591
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 1: was illegally renting the loft and I had no doors,

592
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'll take it. And it was

593
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: eight hundred dollars a month. Oh no, it was a loft.

594
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: So I was living her and her daughter was downstairs

595
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: and I'll be up there with no door, just yeah,

596
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: just sitting up there. It was ridiculous. I was like,

597
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: this is illegal. It was eight hundred dollars a month.

598
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: It had a bathroom though, okay, And so it was

599
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: a little loft with the bathroom and we put a

600
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: little curtain up and that's where I lived for like

601
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: my first six months in LA. But I moved to

602
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: LA in April of two thousand and seven. I was

603
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 1: working for TMZ by June two thousand and seven, and

604
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: I was on camera on air for the show by

605
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: September two thousand and seven.

606
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 3: So now you're back to kill.

607
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: So now I'm back to anyway fast but I remember

608
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: praying about it, and at the time, the Secret had

609
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: just come out, and I read the book and I

610
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: got really involved in like manifesting and envisioning, and it

611
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: put me in this really positive mindset. And I'll never forget.

612
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: I went to my grandma's church when me and my

613
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: mom came to visit and with my aunts and you know,

614
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: and I just was praying and I was just like, God,

615
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: if you just if I come, and like, I'm going

616
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: to come and do the steps, but like, if you

617
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: could just guide me when I get here, like if

618
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: I know if I have to take the first steps,

619
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: so if you could just guide me. And I just

620
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: had to break down in church to my dad was like,

621
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: are you right? Like I had never been like overly religious.

622
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: We didn't grow up I didn't grow up in a

623
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: religious household, got it. My parents were both like forced,

624
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: not forced, but they were forced to go to church

625
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: like three times a week. They were church kids, and

626
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: they just didn't want that experience for me and my sister.

627
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,719
Speaker 1: We always had the freedom to choose. We could pig Muslim,

628
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: we could have been whatever we wanted. My dad was like,

629
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: you have the freedom to choose your religion, so we

630
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: never were. It was kind of dope because we had

631
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: that friem. But because of that, like I had never

632
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: been that super religious girl who knew the scriptures, but

633
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: I kind of turned really to God, my relationship with

634
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: God when I first moved to LA because I didn't

635
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: really know anybody and I didn't know what else to

636
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: do but prey and that really guided me. Honestly. I

637
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: just listened to this voice my first year here, and

638
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: I think it.

639
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 3: I really think it saved my life, saved your life, yeah.

640
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: Because there were decisions that I was making that were

641
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: out of vanity, out of ego, and I got fired

642
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: from TMZ my first.

643
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 3: Week, first week, yes, first.

644
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: Week, because this GPS wasn't in cars yet and so no,

645
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: it was like, or at least it wasn't in my car.

646
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 3: Map Quest, Yeah, I had.

647
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: I had a Thomas Scott. I know how to use

648
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: a Thomas Scott and I had map Quest pronouns, and

649
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: they hired me to be a PA. And so you're

650
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: going and at the time, they didn't have like the

651
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: transfer where you could just upload it and you have it.

652
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: It wasn't like a WE transfer didn't exist. So when

653
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: there were tapes of like Kim Kardashian coming out a hotel.

654
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: You would have to go get it from the cameraman

655
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: and bring it back to the office, and TMZ wanted

656
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: to be.

657
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 3: First physically physically.

658
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: You go get the tapes from the cameraman and bring

659
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Speaker 1: them back to the office.

660
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 3: Wow.

661
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: Yes, I will never forget. I had to go to

662
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: Malibu to get a video of Lindsay Lohan getting out

663
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: when she first got out of jail and she had

664
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Speaker 1: her ankle bracel on. She was in Malibu and I

665
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: had to climb over rocks to get because we were

666
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: they were in the back of the house and I

667
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: had to go over a gate and I was like

668
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: what am I doing? But I loved it because I

669
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: was like, I'm doing like I'm in.

670
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Speaker 2: The business, and I used to be so exactly now

671
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: just for a good reason, I told you that now.

672
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: You're gonna call back to it. But yes, like I

673
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: was like, I remember being like rolling up my pants

674
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: and going through cause it was like a private property

675
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: and running to get the camera and he's he's sitting

676
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Speaker 1: on the.

677
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: Beach, like can I staying there? Is he like calling like, hey,

678
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: I got this? Come and I don't even want to

679
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: move in case.

680
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: They were Sometimes they were a little lazy, like they

681
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: knew you were coming to get it, Like he should

682
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: have met me on the street. Absolutely, he was on

683
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: the beach hanging out waiting.

684
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 3: For me to come get the tape.

685
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: So there were you know, they pushed the envelope. Because

686
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: I was a PA, I wasn't anybody to them, but I,

687
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: you know, I that first week, I had to bring

688
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: back a tape from Paris Hilton interviewing with CNN and

689
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: she had just got out of jail. She was doing

690
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: an interview with Larry King, and we you know, it

691
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: was a ton of paparazzi there. They wanted to be first,

692
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: and I should have taken Kowanga because CNN is on sunset.

693
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: So anyway, I took Highland and was late.

694
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 3: With the tape.

695
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: They ended up being the first to post her exit,

696
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: but they were up yes. So the girl who was

697
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: in charge of all the pas pulled me aside and

698
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: was like, we want to need you tomorrow, just like that.

699
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: And I was like, and I had actually felt like

700
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,719
Speaker 1: I was supposed to be there, like something was like,

701
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: this is where you're supposed to be to get to

702
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: where you want. Something was telling me that, and as

703
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: we've discussed, I don't have that. I didn't have the

704
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: best timper back then. So I went into the bathroom

705
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: and I cried, and the voice was there was a

706
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: loud voice that was like, f them leave, Yeah, get

707
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: your stuff, you don't need them, right, And there was

708
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: a quieter voice that was like, go apologize even if

709
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: you don't feel like you're wrong, yeah, and thank them.

710
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: And that was the harder thing for me for sure,

711
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: especially my IMO was twenty seven at the time, my

712
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: young ego, and feeling like I was doing a job

713
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: that I shouldn't even been doing with the degree, but

714
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: I did it. And I used to stay late and

715
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: help out the managing editor take out the trash, whatever

716
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: she needed. To form a relationship with her, and she

717
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: would give me little side jobs to do. So I

718
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: went to her because she was over the other girl,

719
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: but under Harvey got it and I said, I'm really sorry.

720
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: And at the time I was sitting behind her, so

721
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: I'm getting my stuff and I'm like, hey, I'm really

722
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: sorry it didn't work out. I really enjoyed working with you.

723
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: If I can ever come back in any capacity. I'll

724
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: do whatever you want. And she was like, what are

725
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: you talking about? And I was like, oh, well, she

726
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: just let me go. She told me she goes sit down,

727
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: and she I heard her in there arguing with Harvey

728
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: about like keeping.

729
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 3: Me with Harvey. Yes, oh, he didn't even go back

730
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 3: to the person.

731
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: No, she didn't. She was she didn't go to and

732
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: they had an argument and I heard him say.

733
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 3: Will you take her?

734
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: She came back and she was like, you want a

735
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: year contract being my writing pa. Wait what yes? And

736
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: I go And then she took the other girl in

737
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: the other room and cussed her out and was like,

738
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: you don't you don't hire and fire nobody in this thing.

739
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: Jillian Sheldon, I love you. That's her name. She was

740
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: my managing editor at TMZ and help the trajectory of

741
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: my career. After that happened, I never had to go

742
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: out anymore. I didn't have to pick up no more

743
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: tapes listen because the camera men were corrupt. They were like,

744
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: you know, it was very hard to get these tapes right.

745
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: They out there smoking joints and stuff like. It was

746
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: a crazy environment. And then she had me up under

747
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: her learning how to write. There was not a show

748
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: that existed at the time, and my my, this is

749
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: we were only a website. We were in an attic

750
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: in Glendale. On top of extra we did not even

751
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: their offices weren't created yet. This is the inception I

752
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: started at, like the very inception.

753
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: This is before this, before Mike.

754
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was there for that for Mike. I was

755
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: there the day we found out Michael Jackson died.

756
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,959
Speaker 3: That's when TMZ like, yes, boom.

757
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: The Michael Richards video was kind of their first big entryway.

758
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: And then the death of Michael Jackson because.

759
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 2: They beat everybody and we were like that was the

760
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: first time seeing uh TMZ that I remember. Yeah, uh

761
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: TMZ was first and correct, yes, and then people.

762
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: They were always correct. It was just the first time

763
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: they got credit for it. They never I think there's

764
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: only been one time, and it was with Lil Wayne.

765
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 3: Lil Wayne is the only it's the only time.

766
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: There's never ever been another time where they falsely reported

767
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: a death because there they would have there's in house

768
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: lawyers and there's people who are fact checking and they,

769
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: unbeknown to people, TMZ operates exactly like a hard news organization.

770
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: They just attack entertainment news the way you would attack

771
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: like a war, and so you had to have triple sources.

772
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 1: They wouldn't just publish like there are some blog sites

773
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: that will just if you could, I could send a

774
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: thing about you now and say keV is doing this,

775
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: and they'll just post it for sure, they fact check.

776
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: They you know, they have the lawyers look at it.

777
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: It's why no one has sued them in one like

778
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: it's it's they really are tight. And Harvey is a

779
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: lawyer and working there, it's I know how to read

780
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: lawsuits now. I understand legal jargon, like I know the

781
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 1: difference between like the definitive information from a plaintif versus

782
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: a defendant. I had to learn all that working there too,

783
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: because I would read these lawsuits. I'd get one hundred

784
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: and fifty page lawsuit and he'd like, do a post

785
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: about it. The post is only like four paragraphs. So

786
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: I would have to go through these lawsuits and pick

787
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: out the points to talk about. And I learned, and

788
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: he and there was do it or get fired. That

789
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: was your option.

790
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 3: Dang it was.

791
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: It was. It was a crook in that thing. And

792
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: I was like, you ain't let me go a second time.

793
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: But during the time of like writing before it became

794
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: a show, my process was to talk out loud to

795
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: see if it was funny, and he would walk by

796
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: and hear me, and he thought I was funny. So

797
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: he came up to me because you said so that

798
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: Jewish man knew he was talking about and he was like,

799
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: do you want to be We're gonna We're gonna have

800
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 1: a show on Fox, and I want you to pitch stories.

801
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, no, thank you. At that point,

802
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: I had kind of gotten out of wanting to be

803
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: on camera because I had gained weight. I was in

804
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: La This is two thousand and seven, being Skinny was king,

805
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: and I felt really insecure about being on camera, being

806
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: an opinionated black woman on camera. I just was like,

807
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 1: I'm writing, I'm in the industry.

808
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 3: I'm doing okay.

809
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be a producer. And he was like, no,

810
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna come and you're gonna talk because you represent

811
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: a group of people who need to see you, so

812
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: be on camera. You're fire And.

813
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 3: I was like, I was just gonna ask you, is

814
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 3: it this or your fire?

815
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: He was like, I'll fire you again, and I was

816
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: like okay, and then it tested really well and then

817
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: we were off to the races. From that. Once I

818
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 1: was on camera, that was it like it was because

819
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: then everybody sees you, they see what you're capable of.

820
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: And then now I'm doing hits for him. I'm doing

821
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: local news hits.

822
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 3: I still have relationship.

823
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: Local news hits means the affiliates of Fox. So okay,

824
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: you know in La we have Fox LB Yeah, Fox

825
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: eleven like every Fox station, your affiliates, the affiliates, as

826
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: you know now that you've done that, that you've done

827
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 1: Friday Night vibes. The affiliates are who buys your show

828
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: so it airs locally. You got to have those relationships.

829
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: That's why Jimmy Kimmel got on streaming. If you're gonna

830
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: be at my Grandma's house and the Passo, they got

831
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: to carry your show.

832
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: Those station owners and those local stations run shit.

833
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you need to know because you can have.

834
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: A show that nobody buys, right, they can say, you know,

835
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: that's what happened with Steve Harvey. Really, yes, they replaced

836
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: him with Kelly Clarkson because the affiliates decided they didn't

837
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: want to have Steve on the shows anymore. Wasn't that

838
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: they didn't want to keep doing it. They like a

839
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: little mafia over there, which is why I love digital

840
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: because you don't have they you know, that's way less limited,

841
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: which is why YouTube was doing so well. Yeah, and

842
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 1: it's a whole This is all connective tissue.

843
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.

844
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, hey guys, taking a quick commercial break, what

845
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 2: do you right back?

846
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: So you were you were, you were on TV?

847
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then there, oh broke, broke, broke. They wasn't

848
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: paying me nothing.

849
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 3: What was it? When were you getting paid?

850
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: I started at four fifty a week as a PA,

851
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 1: that before taxes.

852
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 3: Four fifty weeks.

853
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: It's crazy, crazy, and then they bumped me when the

854
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: show started. They're like, we're gonna give you a raise

855
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: and it was six hundred dollars a week. I will

856
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: never forget was in the check cashing place because I

857
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: was broke, and the girl was like, ain't you go

858
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: on TV? And I was like, no, that's not me.

859
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: Not all black people look like how dare you?

860
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 3: It was me?

861
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: That was me girl. I had to lie because I

862
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: was embarrassed. But I was in that check cash in

863
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: the place, faithfully, That's why I said you ain't gonna

864
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: bully me. I'd have been at the Money Mark. Okay,

865
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: do you know what it's like in those lines they

866
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: be fighting. Please if you think I'm gonna be scared

867
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: of Joscelyn, I've been in the moneymart line. Baby, please

868
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: don't let this. Don't let this ship for you.

869
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 3: Now.

870
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: I was broke, broke, and I was doing whatever I

871
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: could not to stay broke. So you know it was

872
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: I finally had a conversation with them. I had to

873
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: go to Harvard and be like, I'm broke. I'm on

874
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: your show every day, Like I didn't have an.

875
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: Agent, wow, And I was like, no agent, no desire,

876
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 2: because TV was that your goal?

877
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: Yeah? It was. But by then they basically kind of

878
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: deterred us. To be honest. He was like, you don't

879
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: need a team, and then you when I left, I

880
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: was like, I need all the team, like I can help.

881
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: I really didn't get my professional legs into what broadcasting

882
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: really was until I left TMZ and went to CBS,

883
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: and that's really where I started to really learn. I

884
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: was working with Kevin Fraser, and he is what I

885
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: call my toxic mentor, because Kevin is more like I'm

886
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: gonna show you what this thing is really like. And

887
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: he was the one who really was like because they

888
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, they let me go. They fired me from

889
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 1: CBS because you know, I was what you get rewarded

890
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: for now to opinionated. They didn't like that. They wanted

891
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: conservative and I'll never I was mad at keV because

892
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: he knew. I think he knew that I wasn't going

893
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: to get renewed because he was a host of the show.

894
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: They kind of have to run that by you. To

895
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: this day he says he doesn't know. Yeah, Casher, but

896
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: I yelled at him and I was like, you could

897
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: have gave me your heads up just being black. keV

898
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: was like, I have a wife and kids. I am

899
00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: the host of entertainment tonight.

900
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 3: Oh you shit, dang.

901
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh when we family. He was like,

902
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: we are. I love you, but do you I'm not

903
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 1: risking my position.

904
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 3: To save you.

905
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: You gotta talent, get it how you live?

906
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 3: Wow?

907
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: And I was like uh. And I was really mad

908
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: at him. I didn't talk to him for like a year,

909
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: but he was right, and that them not renewing my

910
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: contract is how I got love and hip hop because

911
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 1: I pushed for it. I found a publicist to knew Mona,

912
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 1: and I pitched myself.

913
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 3: You pitched yourself, and they didn't.

914
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: Call me for six months, and then they called and said, Mona,

915
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: don't want to do it anymore. You want to try

916
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: and because they had me kind of on their radar,

917
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,479
Speaker 1: And that's kind of how my broadcast career took off

918
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: because I was just out here with the relationships I had.

919
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: I was like, I know somebody who knows somebody, and

920
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: I know with my gifted gap, just put me in

921
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: front of them, and so that's how I move.

922
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 3: So I wanna, I wanna.

923
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: I want to spend a few more minutes with you,

924
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: and then I'm won't let you go because you you

925
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 2: inspire me so much because you are like I obviously

926
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: I raved about you as your personality, but you're also

927
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 2: your skill an ability on TV and also you were

928
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: running a whole fashion brand at the same time. You

929
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: got me and listened into the Macro party like you're

930
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 2: when you're on Nina's team, your your love and kindness

931
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 2: knows no bounds. If you are Nina's friend, you will

932
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 2: be like get them in there, like you really and

933
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: we were early in our friendship and we would. We

934
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 2: didn't even tell you to get in. We were just like,

935
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 2: oh man, we'd love to go that ship. Well y'all

936
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: ain't going ah give me a five minute and you

937
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: were like, you're on the list. So I think it's

938
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 2: a it's I see, even just from a fire with

939
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: you and your friends, you you're you're My love is

940
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 2: like if you.

941
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 3: In with Nina, you in. That's true and can't nobody

942
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 3: mess with you.

943
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 1: I'm a lover girl, like I really am. I think

944
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: that's why I had anger issues when I was younger,

945
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 1: because I'm such a lover girl, not someone not meeting

946
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: that would hurt me. And when I was younger that

947
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: just used to manifest an anger. And now I just

948
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: I've had to be discerning with who I give it

949
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: to because it has broken my heart a few times

950
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: where I've given everything and it's not reciprocated. So now

951
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: I know, and it's doubly painful. And I think for me,

952
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: my keyword is reciprocity now because I've learned that's just

953
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: my personality. I'm not gonna stop. I'm very much more

954
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: of the marrier. You want to come, let's talk. I

955
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: truly believe there's an abundance for everyone. Sure, so there

956
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 1: are some people who they won't invite the pretty friend,

957
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: they won't invite their more successful friend. They're afraid of

958
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: the shine, and I'm like, shit, you shine. We all

959
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: shine in.

960
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 3: This thing, absolutely.

961
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: I just don't feel like someone else's talent, beauty, whatever

962
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: takes away from mine at any capacity.

963
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 3: I agree.

964
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: I want to give compliments. I want you in the room.

965
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 1: I want to mention your name in the room. I

966
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: feel like my superpower is how I love and how

967
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: I care about people, and I love my jobs like

968
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: a partner. I've invested in every piece of thing that

969
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: I put myself into, and sometimes it sucks when it's

970
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: not reciprocable. But I think I'm at the age now

971
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: where I'm like, this is who I am. If you

972
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: tell me who you are, and if it's compatible, that's great.

973
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: And if it doesn't the line, that's okay too, that's

974
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: okay too.

975
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: So I want to ask you this one thing because

976
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 2: as you were talking, I realize you've you know, in

977
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: your career, you've both preceded the Internet like or preceded

978
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: even TV TMZ. On TV, you were there in the

979
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: like analog age. You've you know, succeeded there, succeeded on

980
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 2: traditional TV, succeeded on reunion at your own TV show,

981
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: and now you're also making it work in the way

982
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 2: new media works. Has it seems like pivoting has always

983
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: been a part of your thing over the next three

984
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 2: to five years, are you are you fearful?

985
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 3: Are you excited?

986
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: Like how do you think about your career because you've

987
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 2: always succeeded, are you like.

988
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 3: You know, how are you thinking?

989
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: I'm really scared. Last year I lost a lot. I

990
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: lost my best friend she passed away, thank you. And

991
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,439
Speaker 1: the year before I had a lot of loss. Over

992
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, I lost two cousins and

993
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,479
Speaker 1: my best friend. And then I lost my clothing line

994
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: because of the tariffs, like it's not gone, but it's

995
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: on hold because it's so expensive to produce right now.

996
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: And then like shows weren't coming in for hosts as much.

997
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: So last year was really hard for me to kind

998
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 1: of process. And I'm really connected, which is a blessing,

999
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: and so I've been able to consistently work, but sometimes

1000
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: it was like a one off here, two off here,

1001
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: Like as you know, the industry is their companies consolidate,

1002
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: they get rid of shows, so the certainty was kind

1003
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: of gone, and I was just like, I don't know,

1004
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: like the media that I fell in love with, that

1005
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: I that I knew that I was in college, that

1006
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: I want to do, does not really exist anymore. And

1007
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: having like a friend like you who you know you

1008
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: thrive digitally, it prepared me. I was It's kind of

1009
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: like the movie slum Dog Millionaire with the little challenges

1010
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: prepare you ultimately and you think they are losses. But

1011
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: I'm so thankful that he canceled our show a couple

1012
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 1: of years ago because it had I gave. I gave

1013
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: me a heads up to what's going on now and

1014
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: to prepare and make these connections. So I am really

1015
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: fearful and I love it because there was like the

1016
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: last six years in TV, I've loved it, been very complacent,

1017
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 1: not really challenged, like I'm gonna read it prompt like.

1018
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 3: You're back to four years become six and you just

1019
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 3: you just working.

1020
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: I am so fascinated with digital. I was late to

1021
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: it because I'm used to line your TV and it's chaotic.

1022
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: It's kind of the wild West. There's no rule, but

1023
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: that's how I started TMZ.

1024
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 3: I was just gonna says.

1025
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: The thing I'm learning from you from your story is

1026
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: first you, it makes so much sense why you were

1027
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 2: able to say, hey, let's when we were on the

1028
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 2: show together, because you pushed for yourself to get that job. Yeah,

1029
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: after you were fired, which is crazy. So you've always

1030
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 2: pushed and advocated for yourself, and it's how you got

1031
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: where you have been, and it seems like it's how

1032
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 2: you're gonna get where you are going.

1033
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm not scared to fail, actually, and I think I'm

1034
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: also no longer in a place, you know, like my

1035
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: first part of my career, I wasn't scared. I was

1036
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: afraid to speak up. I've decided that God has let

1037
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 1: me know that no place is going to dictate my success.

1038
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: So whether I'm at E, whether I'm at NBC, wherever

1039
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm at is great platform, but you don't hold the

1040
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: keys to my future. That's already been ordained.

1041
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 3: I'm all, So I don't.

1042
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm not a I'm ready to speak up for what

1043
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: I believe is right, and I don't want to be

1044
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: associated with the place that doesn't want the real meters

1045
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: to show up. Absolutely, because I'm gonna show up one

1046
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: hundred and ten percent for you, So show up for

1047
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: me that way or this is not a fit. And

1048
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to take a pause. And there have

1049
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: been times where I've pissed off the higher ups, and

1050
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: you know who saved me every time? Black people.

1051
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 3: Every time, every time somebody.

1052
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,439
Speaker 1: Black came through with a production or show, And even

1053
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: when other folks was like we not hiring her, they

1054
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 1: was like, We're gonna put you on. And then people

1055
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: watched and they can't fight. They can't fight the ratings, absolutely,

1056
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: And so I've just learned a little bit of a

1057
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: lot of bit of just being fearless, and the scary

1058
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: part of digital kind of makes me feel a little

1059
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: high because I'm like, oh, I'm about to come in

1060
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: and body this thing, like I could do whatever I

1061
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: wanted to do. And you know, speaking to you is

1062
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: so inspiring because I'm still that old tradition is in

1063
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: my head which keeps me out of trouble. But it's

1064
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: the creative fearlessness. I feel a fire again that I

1065
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: haven't felt for years. So yeah, I'm scared, but that

1066
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: I want to be like, if you're not being scared,

1067
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: then you not living. I agree, and I'm in these

1068
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 1: dating streets, so let me tell you something. It's scary.

1069
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: It's all scary, but I really believe if I exist,

1070
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: the other side exists, right. So I'm like, if I

1071
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: work this hard, there's something opposite that has to exist

1072
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: that will honor that. I'm just not out here feeling

1073
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: this for no reason. I just gotta find the right fit.

1074
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: And sometimes things aren't gonna be a fit, and you're

1075
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: gonna get your heart broken. You gotta be okay. We're

1076
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: getting your heart broken in this industry. It's gonna happen

1077
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: time and time again. And that's why you keep a

1078
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: tribe of solid people around you.

1079
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 3: Somebody can play with exactly.

1080
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: Keep a little bottle on the side, a little joint,

1081
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: do what you gotta do, keep it moving.

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Speaker 3: I love it. Needa Parker, ladies and gentleman. Nina. Let

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Speaker 3: people know where they can find you. All the stuff

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Speaker 3: people say, I'm the.

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Speaker 1: Same on all platforms. It's the Nina Parker Parker, find me,

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Speaker 1: talk to me.

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Speaker 3: You don't nothing else. You want the closest to the.

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Speaker 1: Park, at least in the mornings, you know, with thread.

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Speaker 1: Kevin's like just post your threads, just say your threats, your.

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Speaker 3: Threads, na plee.

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Speaker 2: But your day's coming. But I can see short in

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Speaker 2: short order. It's gonna lock in the place for you.

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Speaker 2: And I'm gonna be like what I say.

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Speaker 1: Now, you've been saying it for like two years.

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Speaker 3: What I said, text me a minute. But when I

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Speaker 3: wrote exactly.

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Speaker 2: Ladyes, gentlemen, I've been Kevin on stage, Nina Parker, please

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Speaker 2: follow her.

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Speaker 3: This is Not My Best Moment podcast.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you guys next week. This has been a

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Speaker 2: Unanimous Media original. Not My Best Mama was produced by

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Speaker 2: iHeart Podcast and Unanimous Media. It was posted by me,

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Speaker 2: Kevin Frederick. Exactly You're produced by Stephen Curry, Eric Payton,

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Speaker 2: and Charlotte Sumter. Vishek co executive producer Klena Maria Cutney.

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Speaker 2: The executi producers of the iHeart Podcast are Sean Titone

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Speaker 2: and Jason English. This series was produced by Peter Calter

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Speaker 2: and Jabari Davis. Co producer Kurt Redmond. Special thanks to

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Speaker 2: Stephen Curry and Will Pearson. Not My Best Moment as

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