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Speaker 1: The World's a veget Podcasts Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. Deuce

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Speaker 1: Paul tells us what happened last week.

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Speaker 3: Well, order has been restored. I'm gonna try to do

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Speaker 3: these little Paul twists on them. First, Paul twelve and four,

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Speaker 3: Oh boy. Second, Deuce thirteen and three. Nice week four.

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Speaker 1: No, wait a minute, you said Paul was twelve and four.

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Speaker 1: You were thirteen and three.

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Speaker 3: Paul really does this nice by the way. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's just, you know, it's all laid out for me,

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Speaker 1: Been doing it since he was four years old making book.

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Speaker 4: Bob Marine walking out with his sick kid. It wasn't

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Speaker 4: like funny, obviously, but it was you.

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Speaker 3: Just pointed out a loser.

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Speaker 4: Fun Dad's gonna work the k balls and the and

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Speaker 4: the game balls are separate. They're separate ball right, each

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Speaker 4: team brings their own balls. Yes, this is too many

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Speaker 4: references to.

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Speaker 3: Balls Evan one, four and ninety. Uh oh wait, sorry, Deuce, Deuce?

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Speaker 3: Is that messing this up so bad?

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 1: at Jillette Stadium, and I hope everyone had a good Christmas,

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Speaker 1: those who celebrate yesterday. And we're back here after a

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Speaker 1: big win. I don't know if wins these days are big,

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Speaker 1: but a really cool win in Denver Chad Ryland with

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Speaker 1: the fifty seven yard game game winner.

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Speaker 6: That was it was great fifty six.

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Speaker 3: It was a long fifty six, though it was good.

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Speaker 1: It was good.

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Speaker 4: In five years, it'll be sixty.

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Speaker 1: So we talk about that, talk about what else is

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Speaker 1: going on in the NFL, some interesting outcomes over the weekend. Uh,

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Speaker 1: And then of course looking ahead to the Bills this weekend,

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Speaker 1: see if we can do damage to their playoff hopes.

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Speaker 6: Yes, spoiler, yes, we're spoiling it.

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Speaker 1: It's deuced at seven. It's Paul, it's me. It's faith

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Speaker 1: in the broadcast booth because, uh, Matt morel is.

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Speaker 6: This morning the way out. It's not good.

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Speaker 3: He was here again this morning.

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Speaker 6: He was in this morning.

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Speaker 3: He was sick.

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Speaker 6: He did not look good.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but he's yeah, he's just touching all our microphones.

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Speaker 1: Things are coming out of every hole in his body.

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Speaker 6: He had his he had his head down, and I

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Speaker 6: was sort of making fun of my I go, it's

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Speaker 6: Maggie too good to talk to me. Hey, you knows bro,

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Speaker 3: Now hopefully his kids are right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, kid was sick. He's sick. Unrelated, but they're

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Speaker 1: both sick. So faith is filling.

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Speaker 3: In us that parrel faith.

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Speaker 1: We have faith.

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Speaker 6: She's she's got to got the whites.

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Speaker 1: We have faith, all right. So where do we start?

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Speaker 6: Well, I want to start with Mike told me how

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Speaker 6: bad he was trying to fill my role as the bookkeeper.

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Speaker 6: Didn't really think it was all that difficult.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I won, and I couldn't get it right.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, that's just it's just.

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Speaker 7: Crazy to me that this Patriots team of all Patriots

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Speaker 3: Just this team of all teams to win those two games.

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Speaker 1: I think that that Buffalo game, in this game is

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Speaker 3: I mean it might have been easier if they hit

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Speaker 6: Yeah you know, yeah, yeah, well it didn't allow a

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Speaker 6: You know, I totally agree with fred. I think that's

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Speaker 6: And that gets you four and eleven.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But Christian Barmore, I mean he's really on the field,

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Speaker 1: he really is, and like, like we've talked about in

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Speaker 1: So that that, you know, that's been a silver lining

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's the biggest difference is his run defense,

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Speaker 4: adding that into his repertoires is how he's taken the

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Speaker 4: next step. And the Patriots said, I don't know, we

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Speaker 6: Like I agree, I am.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, like really the competition that he'd be

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Speaker 4: Deeposition, Yeah it is, but a lot of the a

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Speaker 6: But Barbore does have some sacks now, so he has

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Speaker 6: some of the stats that don't normally come with that spot.

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Speaker 6: I agree with Evan. I think he's a strong candidate. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: And it's just something pound the table for them to

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Speaker 6: You've put so.

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Speaker 3: Much into this guy.

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Speaker 7: They ask so much of defensive lineman in the system,

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Speaker 7: as you laid out Fred of you know, being able

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Speaker 7: to play multiple techniques and he's blossomed now. So this

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Speaker 7: you have to resign them. You can't right now send

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Speaker 7: like they have to act this offseason on Barmore. I

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Speaker 7: all right, here's a guy that's played well, that's developed.

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Speaker 7: We're signaling to the rest of the team that when

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Speaker 7: Bill said, had a great offseason, these are the guys

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Speaker 3: Send that message.

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Speaker 1: Then on offense, you know, it was nice to see

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Speaker 6: Broncos threw a handful of them up and none of

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Speaker 6: them got caught. You know, Courtland Sutton only played that

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Speaker 6: the Patriots were in good position. I thought Denver was

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Speaker 3: That's what he does.

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Speaker 6: You know, he made better plays on the ball than

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Speaker 6: and you know, could you could tell that he was.

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Speaker 6: He was like, this guy's pretty good.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I just I'll Teevan up here because I thought

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Speaker 7: he said it well was it's like Bailey's Appy's with

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Speaker 3: Just got some ability to move around and get out

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Speaker 7: I don't think, you know, seven three and outs. It's

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Speaker 4: But it's not the layup set have really helped them out.

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Speaker 6: So I kind of think he was fleeing the pocket

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Speaker 4: Well, I certainly ran into Jos like he was seeing

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Speaker 6: But it was like a great pocket, like three time

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they did a nice job of you know, they

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Speaker 4: cover zero. They did bring cover zero one too many times,

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Speaker 4: which just seems to be the Steve Belichick m O.

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Speaker 4: I think he's a really good play caller honestly for

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Speaker 4: the most part, but he brings one too many zero

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it.

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Speaker 4: Just in general, I thought they rushed the quarterback really

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Speaker 1: But I wonder if he doesn't do that, you know,

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Speaker 6: I mean it's an offense that hasn't moved the ball

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the fans were booing, yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean because they've seen it. Yeah, yeah, you've seen

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Speaker 4: So playing the game, he had he hit Zeke on

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Speaker 6: There were a lot of those kinds of plays too. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Plays against blitz pressure in particular, where he just had

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Speaker 4: and that's why they're just totally.

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Speaker 6: And they haven't really shown any more consistent consistency offensively

438
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Speaker 6: than they were. You know, they scored nineteen points in

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Speaker 6: this game, which is you know, that's more than they

440
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Speaker 6: were average. They average what fourteen thirteen in change or

441
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Speaker 6: whatever it is, so they scored more. But you know,

442
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Speaker 6: they did get a fifty seven yard field goal as

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Speaker 6: time expired that you know, at any given point this season,

444
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Speaker 6: otherwise Bill wouldn't have attempted. You know, I don't think

445
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Speaker 6: that he was planning on attempting that one. I think

446
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Speaker 6: he was going for Rovitz. So like, I don't think

447
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Speaker 6: the offense has been markedly better. I love all the

448
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Speaker 6: things that I that said, I love all the things

449
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Speaker 6: that Zappi does that I don't think Mac can do. Yeah,

450
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Speaker 6: and just buying time moving around and trying to make

451
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Speaker 6: a play downfield. I'll watch Zappi play the last three

452
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Speaker 6: games any day of the week over the first ten

453
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Speaker 6: games that.

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Speaker 3: Macas no entertainment. It was entertainment.

455
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Speaker 6: It might not be all that different production wise, but

456
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Speaker 6: I'll take this over that any day.

457
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Speaker 1: He's not a squeamish ya there.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I totally agree.

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Speaker 1: You know, so it was a Christmas present, but for

460
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Speaker 1: some fans not quite the present they were looking for.

461
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Speaker 1: And that seems to be a theme that you know

462
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Speaker 1: a lot of fans are upset about the win. Yeah,

463
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Speaker 1: you know, and I get it. There were some they

464
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Speaker 1: got they want the Patriots now fourth and uh seating

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Speaker 1: for the draft pick. And you know they were second

466
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Speaker 1: going in that.

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Speaker 6: The Niners lost last night. Heard us by the way,

468
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Speaker 6: that did it really schedule?

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Speaker 7: This is more about strength of schedule I ever wanted

470
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Speaker 7: to know about, like, well, you beat the commanders, but

471
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Speaker 7: you're actually behind the commanders.

472
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Speaker 4: Some like some like really big football fan that has

473
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Speaker 4: like a coding background should make you know that ESPN

474
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Speaker 4: has the playoff machine, Can we have the tank machine

475
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Speaker 4: so that we can like a mutations because I would

476
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Speaker 4: be but.

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Speaker 6: That does make sense, like if strength of schedule was

478
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Speaker 6: so important and the reason they do the strength of

479
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Speaker 6: schedule is if you have a harder strength of schedule,

480
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Speaker 6: you'll considered and you have the same record as a

481
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Speaker 6: team with an easier you're considered to be behind them

482
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Speaker 6: because they they only won four games with this terrible schedule.

483
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Speaker 6: You were able to win four with your really hard one.

484
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Speaker 6: That's how they do it. So why wouldn't the fact

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Speaker 6: that Washington beat the Patriots? Why doesn't that matter?

486
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Speaker 3: Yeah? I know that should be the first thing? Is

487
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Speaker 3: like that the first thing.

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Speaker 6: So we played and they beat us, so they should

489
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Speaker 6: be considered better than us.

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Speaker 4: I imagine that because a lot of people you could

491
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Speaker 4: tank the game, right, That's what I imagine is like,

492
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Speaker 4: if you're playing Washington in week eighteen, Yeah you could.

493
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Speaker 4: You're right, you could throw the game.

494
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Speaker 6: Don't don't don't you guys don't have to bring the logic.

495
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Speaker 6: You're right, you're absolutely right.

496
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Speaker 7: But if we've talked about the lottery, like a lottery

497
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Speaker 7: system for the top ten picks before, right.

498
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Speaker 6: Fred Fred has all kinds of things that he wants

499
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Speaker 6: to do. He wants he wants there to be a

500
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Speaker 6: lottery every year. The Super Bowl champs should be able

501
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Speaker 6: to have the number one pick.

502
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Speaker 1: Well, they should be in the running. And I also

503
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Speaker 1: think that the team that came in last, that's where

504
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Speaker 1: the draft should be. If they keep the way it is,

505
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 1: that's where the draft should be instead of well, but anyway,

506
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of I would I would make the

507
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Speaker 1: draft much more an event by just putting you know,

508
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Speaker 1: the uh.

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure you can make it anymore of an

510
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Speaker 6: event than they make it.

511
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Speaker 1: But make it so that the picking of who drafts

512
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Speaker 1: first becomes an event in and of itself.

513
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, like the NBA.

514
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Speaker 7: Yeah, Now do people in the NBA complain about, well,

515
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Speaker 7: now we're only going to have six ping pong balls

516
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Speaker 7: in the in the thing?

517
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Speaker 4: The NBA has a real tanking problem though, Like that,

518
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Speaker 4: that's when.

519
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Speaker 3: One player can change your team so much. It seems

520
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Speaker 3: to just as.

521
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Speaker 4: The Spurs, that's not happening in San Antonio, right.

522
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Speaker 6: I agree, though the NBA has a tanking problem. The

523
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Speaker 6: other sports really don't.

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Speaker 1: But I think I think it should be a thirty

525
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Speaker 1: two team lottery. I don't think it should be just

526
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Speaker 1: like the top six or whatever. So you know, there's

527
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Speaker 1: no reason to tank.

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Speaker 7: You know, like what if you just did tears, like

529
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Speaker 7: you have the one to ten, that's that's one ping pong,

530
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Speaker 7: you know off and then ten to twenty is you know.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean the team that wins the super Bowl

532
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Speaker 4: would have to have like a very small fraction of

533
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Speaker 4: a chance. Why what do you mean why you can.

534
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Speaker 1: Still only have to you know, it's like so, you know,

535
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Speaker 1: like so they get somebody that they draft, then maybe

536
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Speaker 1: you know, they put more people on free and free agency.

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Speaker 1: I don't I think it's this.

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Speaker 6: Whole Imagine like Tom Brady wins the Super Bowl in

539
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Speaker 6: his last game as the Patriots quarterback, he decides to

540
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Speaker 6: retire the next Peyton May how about.

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Speaker 1: This the Patriots for the first round only it's a lottery,

542
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Speaker 1: and then the rest of the rounds are worse the

543
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Speaker 1: first you know, but for that first round, everyone has

544
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Speaker 1: an equal chance of getting a high pick.

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Speaker 6: I don't know why there should be an equal chance

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Speaker 6: for getting a high pick. Don't you want all your

547
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Speaker 6: teams to be balanced.

548
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Speaker 1: They can still do that. We're just talking about the

549
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Speaker 1: first round. They can still do that. And and let's

550
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Speaker 1: face it, a lot of these bats.

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Speaker 6: I've heard a lot of Patriots fans say, you know

552
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Speaker 6: how hard it is to pick in the first round

553
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Speaker 6: when you're always picking down the bottom this year, that

554
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Speaker 6: that's a big advantage that their picks are going to

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Speaker 6: be high.

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Speaker 1: Let's face it, a lot of these bad teams who

557
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: annually have high picks stay in the bottom because they're

558
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: just terrible organizations. You know, it's no guarantee that when

559
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Speaker 1: you get.

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Speaker 6: So you know what, the key for them to get

561
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Speaker 6: out of the bottom would be, give them the thirty

562
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Speaker 6: second pick in the draft. They'll get much better real.

563
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Speaker 1: Or maybe they realize they need better, you know, people

564
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Speaker 1: drafting or whatever. You know, there's a reason why they

565
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Speaker 1: stay low, and they shouldn't be rewarded for that. That's

566
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Speaker 1: what I say. Everyone should have an equal chance at that.

567
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Speaker 1: Those top guys.

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Speaker 6: Not the time.

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Speaker 1: And let's face so, if you're if you're the Patriots,

570
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Speaker 1: let's say you had my system, you're the Patriots, you

571
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Speaker 1: have Tom Brady, you get the first pick. You're going

572
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Speaker 1: to be picking a quarterback.

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Speaker 6: No, it depends what Tom Brady.

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Speaker 1: Let's say.

575
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Speaker 6: I mean they picked him in the second round when

576
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Speaker 6: Brady was in his prime.

577
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Speaker 1: But let's say he's in his prime. You're not going

578
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Speaker 1: to like pick a quarterback. You're gonna you're gonna trade

579
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Speaker 1: down anyway.

580
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Speaker 3: Certainly screw up all the mock drafts that everybody already has.

581
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Speaker 3: You know, everybody's got it all laid out right now.

582
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Speaker 6: Of what I'm all for it now.

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Speaker 3: Well, and I mean, I also.

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Speaker 7: Think it's worth bringing up that even these picks that

585
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Speaker 7: you think right now are Wow, I'd be so excited

586
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Speaker 7: to get Trey Lance.

587
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Speaker 3: You know, it's just it's it doesn't always.

588
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Speaker 6: But like the whole notion of this, like bad organizations,

589
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 6: bad organizations are constantly changing their coaches in their gms. Yeah,

590
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Speaker 6: there's not a lot of bad organizations that have had

591
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Speaker 6: the same coaching GM for ten years.

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Speaker 1: Well maybe that's they're doing that poorly too, picking who

593
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Speaker 1: the coach and GM should be. So in other words, right,

594
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 1: work hard and that's how you earn it instead of

595
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Speaker 1: being bad and that's how you earn But.

596
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Speaker 4: I think, like Deuce's point to the fans that are

597
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Speaker 4: mad that they won the game, I think I understand, like,

598
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 4: be mad, it's fine, but if you are. The way

599
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Speaker 4: to look at it, though, is look at the past,

600
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Speaker 4: like five drafts even like like we're not talking about

601
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Speaker 4: the brock Parties and the Tom Brady's of the world,

602
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Speaker 4: just in the first round, the first quarterback off the

603
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 4: board is not always the best quarterback from the class,

604
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,959
Speaker 4: and oftentimes there's multiple quarterbacks that end up going on

605
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 4: to be good, Like you know the Joe Burrow class

606
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 4: for example, where you know it's Joe Burrow, and it's

607
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 4: Tua and it's Herbert, Like, all those guys are good.

608
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 4: So if you're the Patriots, Jayden Daniels, Michael Pennix, one

609
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 4: of those guys is going to end up being a

610
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Speaker 4: good quarterback in the NFL. Like it's all about deciding

611
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Speaker 4: which one is going to be the best. But it's

612
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Speaker 4: I feel like all these Patriots fans that want them

613
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Speaker 4: to tank and want them to have the highest pick

614
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Speaker 4: possible are losing sight that Jade and Daniels could end

615
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Speaker 4: up being better than Drake may like.

616
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Speaker 6: We we don't then take them at and take him

617
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Speaker 6: at two.

618
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Speaker 4: But it's but it doesn't it doesn't make it.

619
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Speaker 6: If I want my I want my option to be

620
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Speaker 6: as high as I think, so I get it.

621
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Speaker 1: Like, if you're one or two, you get to pick.

622
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Speaker 1: So whoever your scouting staff says is going to be

623
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Speaker 1: the guy, you don't have to worry about losing.

624
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Speaker 4: Him and That's why if I would argue that your

625
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 4: scouting staff is more wrong than it is right. So

626
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Speaker 4: at the end of the day, what difference does you.

627
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Speaker 1: Got to You gotta trust somebody. You got to make

628
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Speaker 1: a pick. You got to make a pick.

629
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Speaker 6: I just want my option. I like, if if I

630
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 6: have a high pick, I want to I want to

631
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 6: pick the guy that I want. I don't want to

632
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 6: have to hope that he's available.

633
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: In other words, let's say they like Penis. Let's say

634
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Speaker 1: this scouting staff or whoever is the scouting staff at

635
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: the time, loves Penis. If you take them, if you're

636
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: number two or four or five, you take them there

637
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: you don't hope that he drops.

638
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 4: See I disagree, Like, why would you take him before

639
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 4: the rest of the league?

640
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: Now you love him, you might lose them.

641
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,239
Speaker 4: You might or you might get two players for this

642
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 4: and still get your guy.

643
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: I see, when it comes to quarterback or head coach,

644
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: whoever your guy is, if you really think he's going

645
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: to be the person, there's no price too high to pay.

646
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 4: I just don't think you can be in between you

647
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 4: two guys.

648
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Speaker 6: Like, if you know that Penix isn't going in the

649
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 6: first round, I don't take them because I'm no. But

650
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 6: that's what you're paid for.

651
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: So you're saying you're the only scouting staff.

652
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Speaker 6: I thought we were a good organization. I thought only

653
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Speaker 6: the bad organizations didn't know how to do this.

654
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Speaker 1: But I would assume if my scouting staff really loves

655
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: this guy to the point where you think he's gonna

656
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: be our franchise quarterback, other scouting staffs might feel the

657
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Speaker 1: same way.

658
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Speaker 4: But it's literally But that's part of the gig though,

659
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 4: right is finding out what the other thirty one teams

660
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 4: think of the guy.

661
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: Well, if you know that for certain, if you can

662
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: be certain, okay, but how can you be certain?

663
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 4: I just don't think you can be certain about any

664
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 4: of it, right, So, like you take.

665
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: The chance, you take him when you can take them.

666
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 4: But you don't like this stress over, like them getting

667
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 4: Drake May versus them getting Jayden Daniels at four instead

668
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 4: of Drake May at two, Like we don't know, Like

669
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 4: you don't know. You don't know which guy is gonna

670
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 4: end up being better, not even the teams, No, but you.

671
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: Don't know that. So but I would assume that teams

672
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: go in saying this is the guy Jaden Daniels is

673
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: better than Drake May or Drake May is better than

674
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels. We want the best quarterback we can get

675
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: this year.

676
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 4: Not this team. Well I'm just telling you, like this

677
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 4: team tiers it right like they they look at it

678
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 4: in tears, and I think that they look at it

679
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 4: and say.

680
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: When it comes to the quarterback position, Yeah, I don't

681
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: think so.

682
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 4: I really think no. I mean that's how they scout

683
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 4: it though, like that that that's how they stack their

684
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 4: board is in tears.

685
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know they You're right, I know that's true.

686
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: But when it comes to quarterback, there aren't you know,

687
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: there are some drafts where you get three or four,

688
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: you know, really good quarterbacks, but that's not the case

689
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: most of the time. Most of the time it's one

690
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: or two guys that come out and you better be

691
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: lucky and get the guy that is.

692
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 4: And yeah, I totally agree with that, but it doesn't

693
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 4: there's no guarantee that the one or two guys that

694
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 4: are gonna be greater.

695
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 6: And course, and if they if they have like Panix

696
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 6: is their number one quarterback, like you know, like they

697
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 6: always say, like Evan's talking about, they stack it vertically

698
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 6: and horizontally. So like, maybe Penix is a middle of

699
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 6: the first round in terms of the entire class, but

700
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 6: if he's your number one quarterback, that's different.

701
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: Well okay, but I get what you're saying. But so

702
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is like, if you think Penix is

703
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: the best quarterback out of a bunch of mediocre quarterbacks, wait,

704
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: but if you think think Pennix is a blue shipper,

705
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: then you go get them.

706
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 6: Then you go get I mean, it's hard to know

707
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 6: all those factors. But I, like I said, I'm in

708
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 6: between you guys. I get both of your points.

709
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 4: I get his point totally. I just think that fans

710
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 4: that are freaking out over if they're going to be

711
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 4: two or four, oh, that that part, yeah, are missing

712
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 4: that Patrick Mahomes went eleventh overall.

713
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: And let me let's say they're five, right and they

714
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: love Drake, may go up and get them, which they

715
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: still could do, trade up and get them. Sure, you know,

716
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: like just because you're not one or two doesn't mean

717
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: you still can't get the guy with what figure it out,

718
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: future picks whatever, you know, do whatever you have to

719
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: do to get them.

720
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 6: That's tough when you when you need as much as

721
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 6: they need. It's tough to get rid of picks.

722
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: It's just it's hard.

723
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 7: It's hard to thread the needle because if you is

724
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 7: you know, if you wait and you drift the guy,

725
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 7: people are going to say, well, they didn't like him

726
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 7: that much. They because they didn't trade up to get him.

727
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 7: But if you trade up to get him and he's

728
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 7: not good, then you then.

729
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 3: Well, that's terrible.

730
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 7: They traded up to get a guy who stinks like

731
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 7: you know, it's it's it's hard to I think trading up.

732
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 4: For a quarterback is one of the worst moves that

733
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 4: organization can make because ultimately, like I keep saying, it's

734
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 4: a crap shoot. And I would also just say that

735
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 4: if you get a draft a guy like Bryce Young

736
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 4: and then you're on a terrible team in Carolina, now

737
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 4: they don't have their first round pick, so he doesn't

738
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 4: he's not getting any help now from from the draft

739
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 4: to next year.

740
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 6: But it has worked out for others. See, I think

741
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 6: he's a city in Buffalo.

742
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 4: But those teams were further along in the process.

743
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: So here's where I'm going to be on Evid's side

744
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: of the fence. I think there are those drafts where

745
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: it's not a crab shoot. Peyton Manning's not a crap shoot,

746
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: Andrew luck wasn't a crap shoot. I think this year

747
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: is a crap shoot. As much as people love you know,

748
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: Drake may Or.

749
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 6: You didn't you didn't think Trevor Lawrence was a crap shoot?

750
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 6: I did, right, No, A lot of people think Caleb

751
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 6: Williams is better than Trevor Lawrence. I know they do,

752
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 6: and I think, coming coming out of college, not now, I.

753
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: Don't see the evidence for that.

754
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 7: And I think there are a large segment of fans

755
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 7: that think after the three picks it's a crap shoot.

756
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 7: They think that that Williams and Harrison and may are

757
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 7: not as much a crap shoot as the rest of it.

758
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 7: And that's I think where a lot of the angs

759
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 7: comes from, is that if you're not in that top

760
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 7: three and you don't even at least have a chance

761
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 7: at one of those guys, that's I just think it.

762
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: For the quarterback position, I think this year isn't a

763
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: certainty for any of these guys, for any of them,

764
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: so this year I could see waiting a little bit.

765
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 4: I just think that, you know, Kansas City is a

766
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 4: great example, they get Patrick Mahomes at tenth overall. They

767
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 4: traded up to get Patrick Mahomes, but they had Alex

768
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 4: Smith in like kind of already made situation there in

769
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 4: Kansas City, and then he sat a year behind Alex Smith.

770
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 4: So those are totally different scenarios. When you're a team

771
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 4: like the Patriots that needs help all over the roster,

772
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 4: especially on offense, and you're trading and you're giving up

773
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 4: picks to move up in the draft, I just wouldn't.

774
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: Give you love either. If Andrew Luck is there, I

775
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: trade up and get him, even if in the current

776
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: position the Patriots are, because those guys don't come along

777
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: that often.

778
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess maybe.

779
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: I don't think this year has those guys.

780
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 6: These two guys are a lot better than you think

781
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 6: they are, maybe.

782
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 7: You know, maybe, And what about the Chicago of it

783
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 7: all of I mean, you know, the team that actually

784
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 7: is probably going to have that first round pick, and

785
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 7: they have their quarterback playing a little better right now,

786
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 7: so you know, now you're talking that pick is might

787
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 7: be very well up for sale.

788
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 3: For Caleb Williams for a team that wants to go

789
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 3: up and get them.

790
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 7: So it's just it's it's complicated, it's gonna be fun.

791
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 6: I would definitely trade down if someone was interested, if

792
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 6: I were Chicago, and I would roll the dice. I mean,

793
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 6: it's a huge roll of the dice because who knows

794
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 6: with Fields even in that game Sunday through a horrific

795
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 6: pick in the end zone of that game. But if

796
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 6: you could trade down and get Marvin Harrison and a tackle,

797
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 6: plus you're adding picks for the trade down. Yeah, right,

798
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 6: And then that's a chance to all of a sudden

799
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 6: go from being sort of middland at seven and ten

800
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 6: ish to a playoff content. And you've got some especially

801
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 6: in that conference, right, You've got some talent a quarterback.

802
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 7: And if it doesn't work out with Fields next year,

803
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 7: all right, now we're back in the quarterback, but we

804
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 7: have a tackle because and we'll probably have a bad

805
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 7: record again, so we've got pieces and we'll try it again.

806
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: Bottom line is, I don't think it's the end of

807
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: the world that people think it is now that they

808
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: got their fourth no and this year they might beat

809
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: the Jets and have five wins. And I don't think

810
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: it's the end of the world that people think it is.

811
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 4: I that's that's all I'm coming from with it, too,

812
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 4: is I think that the hysteria that they move down

813
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 4: two spots in the draft. You know, to your guys's point,

814
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 4: if you really love a guy, you can go up

815
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 4: and get them, you can take them at four. Like

816
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 4: there's just it's just not that big of a deal.

817
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 4: Like I don't think that Caleb Williams and Drake may

818
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 4: are these two prospects. I agree with Paul. I think

819
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 4: they're good prospects. I think they're really gonna be, uh,

820
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 4: you know, potentially really good players. But is the drop

821
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 4: off from those two guys to Jayden Daniels all that big? No,

822
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 4: And if you really like Jayden Daniels that much, then

823
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 4: take them at four, like.

824
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 6: I personally think it is. I don't think this is

825
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 6: the end of the world either. But if you wanted

826
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 6: to get a quarterback, I think you had two that

827
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 6: are in that category. You don't think that, but that's fine.

828
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 6: It's not a big deal to anyone who doesn't think

829
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 6: the quarterbacks are any good. It is a big deal.

830
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 6: If defense that we heard from on Sunday we got

831
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 6: one after a not I think it was one hundred percent. Yeah,

832
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 6: every single person who called us was sort of upset

833
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 6: that they won because they obviously think more of the

834
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 6: quarterbacks than you.

835
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 7: Do, right, And like in Evan's put a name to

836
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 7: the claim, I mean, you know, I don't think I

837
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 7: really haven't gotten invested in them possibly getting Kleb Williams.

838
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 3: I just assume he's going to go first overall to whoever.

839
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 7: But it's like, so it's Drake May, Like that's what

840
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 7: you're upset about that you probably wouldn't have a shot

841
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 7: at Drake May unless you can trade.

842
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 4: Up Drake May. To me right now, I know he

843
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 4: gets a lot of Herbert comparisons, but when I watch him,

844
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 4: I see a lot more Josh Allen than I see Herbert,

845
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 4: where his accuracy and his consistency with his mechanics leading

846
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 4: to poor accuracy are our work in progress right now,

847
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 4: just like Alan was coming out of college. I don't

848
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 4: think it's quite as wild as Josh Allen was in Wyoming,

849
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 4: but it's it's similar, and so he's going to have

850
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 4: to be coached up and he's going to have to

851
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 4: be you know, coddled a little bit coming out. I

852
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 4: don't think that he's one of those guys that's a

853
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 4: finished product right now. And then Caleb is just Caleb,

854
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 4: Like he's a different kind of quarterback.

855
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: And you mentioned Alex Smith, I mean Mahomes. Not that

856
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have been great anyway, but he went to

857
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: the perfect situation, offensive minded head coach, a guy he

858
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: can sit behind for a year. That's not going to

859
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: be the case here with Patriots. As far as we

860
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: know Tyreek Kill, we don't even know what kind of situation.

861
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 6: I have no problem if the guy sits for a

862
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 6: little bit.

863
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't either problem. But we don't know what

864
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: situation any quarterback is going to be coming into this team.

865
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: We don't know what the team's gonna look like.

866
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd like with Drake May, I do worry about

867
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 4: him playing right away because he's he's wild, Like his

868
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 4: accuracy is just very inconsistent, and he, like I said,

869
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 4: it reminds me a lot of Josh Allen, and the

870
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 4: Bills didn't play Josh Allen right away. You know, it

871
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 4: didn't work out right away with him. It didn't click

872
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 4: right away either. Yeah, So I just I really like

873
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 4: the tools are obviously really enticing, Like the guy's big, strong,

874
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 4: can move, has a huge arm, like all those types

875
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 4: of things, and he makes some throws on film that

876
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 4: you're really impressed with, but he's got some accuracy and

877
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 4: mechanical issues he's going to have to work out, and

878
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 4: I just don't know if that's going to happen overnight

879
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 4: for him. It might, but I you know, justin Herbert

880
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 4: fixed those things, right.

881
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 1: I know everyone talked about Stefan Diggs really helping him

882
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: get over the hump, but how much did Brian Dable

883
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: help him? And you know, from a coaching standpoint, you

884
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: know who helped him or what helped him the most

885
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 1: over in Buffalo.

886
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think Brian Dable is a huge part

887
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 4: of it. And that's I think what worries me the

888
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 4: most about these quarterbacks at the top with the Patriots

889
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 4: is that each one of them has to be obviously,

890
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 4: like any player coached in a specific way, like Caleb

891
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 4: Williams is gonna have to be in an offense that

892
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 4: allows him to play playground football, and it's gonna have

893
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 4: to have rules within the offense of when he extends

894
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 4: the play and when he breaks the pocket, like this

895
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 4: is what we're gonna do, just like the Chiefs do

896
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 4: with Patrick Mahomes, like the Chiefs improvisational elements of their

897
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 4: offense are scripted, Like that's not just like run around

898
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 4: and find open space, Like, there's rules to it. So

899
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 4: you have to put that into the offense. And then

900
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 4: when you got a guy like Jaden Daniels, like, he's

901
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 4: gonna have to be in a very specific type of

902
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 4: offense that allows his legs to be a big part

903
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 4: of it in his mobility, like similar to what Baltimore

904
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 4: does with Lamar, Like, you have to build an offense

905
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 4: around that guy. So with Drake May, you're gonna have

906
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 4: to develop him as a passer. Who's gonna do that here?

907
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 4: Like is it gonna be Bill? Is it gonna be

908
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 4: Bill O'Brien? Do we trust either Bill to do that

909
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 4: with a young quarterback? Like those are I think major

910
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 4: question marks. And that's why I'm not sweating the fact that, Okay,

911
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 4: maybe they are going to end up with Pennix instead

912
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 4: of Drake May, because ultimately I think that all these

913
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 4: guys are going to have to be manufactured in some

914
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 4: sort of way, and my confidence level is kind of low,

915
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 4: honestly on doing that.

916
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: And the other thing about the way the Patriots are

917
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: playing of late really the way they played all season

918
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: in terms of effort, But now it's they're winning a

919
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: couple of games here, people say, well, you know, that's

920
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: gonna help Belichick's case staying with the Patriots. I don't

921
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,240
Speaker 1: think as much that, but I think he is showing

922
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: the rest of the league that he can still coach,

923
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: you know. And I don't know if a lot of

924
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: people even ever question that, but in case they did,

925
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: the fact that this locker room's playing hard for him,

926
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: they're winning some football games here, I think other teams

927
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: are like, yeah, we'd like him. The thing about him

928
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: is still the offseason stuff, you know, Like, but I

929
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: think if he goes to another team, he might be

930
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: more willing to not do something he doesn't have already

931
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: with another team and just coach the team. And I

932
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: think these this last month has helped him in that

933
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 1: in that way.

934
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 7: I just think that the crazy thing to me is

935
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 7: I think I read that there are twelve AFC teams

936
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 7: that are still in the playoff hunt at this point,

937
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 7: and just for the Patriots not to be in that position,

938
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 7: given the quality of football overall this year, I think

939
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 7: that's just what's most surprising. To me, as Evan said,

940
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 7: I don't think the offense has changed all that much.

941
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 7: It's it's still kind of looks like it has looked.

942
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 7: For me, the biggest thing in Bill's favor right now

943
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 7: is just bar More emerging, like finally a player is

944
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 7: emerging into a star role like that. That that, to me,

945
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 7: is what it was going to take. I just I

946
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 7: just think it's too little, too late.

947
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: Oh I agree for here, Yeah, but I do think

948
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: that other teams, you know, say yeah, we'll take Bill.

949
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 7: I just think if you gave him a good team,

950
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 7: like you know, it's I mean, look, it's his fault

951
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 7: that there's no talent on the team, But if you

952
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 7: gave him a talented team, I still, you know, think

953
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 7: that he would be able to tell that team exactly

954
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 7: what they need to do to beat any talent.

955
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: A talented team that's coachable wants to be coached, you know,

956
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: because there are talented guys out there that they they're

957
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: not coachable. They don't want the kind of regime that

958
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: Bill would demand. Right now, maybe he'd soften up with

959
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: an I don't know, but I'm not for everyone.

960
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,479
Speaker 4: I just don't I agree that Bill can still coach.

961
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 4: I think we all agree that with that, I mean

962
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 4: at least on defense, Like I don't know if he

963
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 4: has anything to do with offense at this point, but

964
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 4: I agree that he can still coach. I think the

965
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 4: problem is is that it's so hard to envision a

966
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 4: scenario where somebody else running personnel is actually running personnel

967
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 4: with like a new vision of how to build the team.

968
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 4: And that's like why I can't wrap my head around

969
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 4: how exactly that would work if he was just the

970
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 4: coach and John Robinson was the general manager or somebody else,

971
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 4: because ultimately that that GM is going to be picking

972
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 4: players to give them to Bill Bellich.

973
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean obviously in any situation like that, the

974
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: head coach has input, of course, and they mutually agree

975
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: this is the kind of team we want go get

976
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: those types of players, right.

977
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 4: But it's just if you give Bill, let's say, you know,

978
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 4: just an example, they give Bill a receiver and that

979
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 4: receiver gets on the field and he's running the wrong

980
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 4: routes and he's and he's fumbling you know the ball,

981
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 4: Bill's gonna bench him. Okay, So if you give him

982
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 4: a running back and he can't pick up a blitz

983
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 4: Bill's not going to play him. If you give him

984
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 4: a two d and twenty five pound linebacker, Bill's gonna

985
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 4: make him a safety, right And so at the end

986
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 4: of the day, the guy that's going to be picking

987
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 4: the personnel is going to have to pick personnel that

988
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 4: fit what Bill want wants him to do. And that's

989
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 4: the problem, is that the what Bill wants to do,

990
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 4: especially on offense, is not working well.

991
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: Like I said, maybe in another team he loosens up

992
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: a little bit and you know, his philosophy and and

993
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: maybe maybe he plays the linebacker as a linebacker. You know,

994
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I I it's I don't know.

995
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: I think I know, I think some other teams would

996
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 1: benefit from having him.

997
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's almost a cliche at this point

998
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 7: of almost like what happened with Brady, where you know,

999
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 7: he just he went to a team that was sitting

1000
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 7: and waiting and just kind of needed this guy to

1001
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 7: come in and not only play great, but also just

1002
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 7: do instill the belief that this team.

1003
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 3: Could win it all.

1004
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 7: You know, And I know the Chargers are an easy

1005
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 7: one and I don't necessarily think that's gonna happen.

1006
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 3: But that's if you were gonna paint it out.

1007
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 7: It's like, all right, well, here's like, you know, kind

1008
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 7: of this loosey, goosey talented team from California, and Bill's

1009
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 7: gonna come in and he's gonna instill discipline and you know,

1010
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 7: and the game plans that they need to get over.

1011
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: Think about when Brady came here, they had Bledsoe. Bledsoe

1012
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: was the guy. He had just been signed to one

1013
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: hundred million dollar contract. But Bill, he wasn't Bill's guy.

1014
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 1: He was the crafts guy. Bledsoe Bledsoe was here before Bill,

1015
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: you know, and he was the crafts guy. He had

1016
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: a direct line of communication to ownership. So Brady comes

1017
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: in and you know, you see that sign that he

1018
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: can play, and then he proves it. Bill was more

1019
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: than happy to make him the starting quarterback because now

1020
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: he's my guy. He does it the way I wanted

1021
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 1: to do. He's beholden to me. Six round pick didn't

1022
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: come in here with you know, you know, the gravitaze

1023
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: that you know, a first overall pick would have. He

1024
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: was the perfect guy for Bill, you know, and Bill

1025
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: likes those type of players. You know.

1026
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 4: I do wonder though, I mean, I know you said

1027
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 4: that you don't feel this way about if they finish

1028
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 4: out the year strong. And I went into that locker

1029
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 4: room after that win against Denver on Christmas Eve, and

1030
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 4: that's not a locker room that's like checked out.

1031
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: On they they opposite.

1032
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 4: I mean, you see the video that we put out.

1033
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 4: I know, you know, that was genuine. Like I know

1034
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 4: a lot of people think that that's like manufact It wasn't. Like,

1035
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 4: that's a genuine reaction. Those guys are are playing hard

1036
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 4: for their coaches, for Bill, for each other, obviously too

1037
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 4: in themselves, but like I really feel like they had

1038
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 4: all the reason in the world to get blown out

1039
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 4: in Denver on Sunday night.

1040
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And people say, you know, you can play hard,

1041
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: but check out. In other words, you're not playing mentally strong.

1042
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: You don't care as much. You know, Like if you

1043
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: don't play hard, you're gonna get killed. In the NFL,

1044
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 1: You're gonna get hurt, you know, if you're not going

1045
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: at one hundred percent speed. But going at one hundred

1046
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: percent speed doesn't mean you're always playing smart, you know,

1047
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: And that's what checking out means, and that's how you

1048
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: lose football games. But I think with this team they're

1049
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: they're yeah, they're they're not talent wise, they're not that great,

1050
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: but they're playing hard. They're playing up to their mental capability,

1051
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: you know, and that includes making some dumb mistakes at times.

1052
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 1: But you know, there's no quit in this team right now.

1053
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: And that's a testament to the coaching staff and Bill Belichick.

1054
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: And if I'm an owner of another team, I look

1055
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: at that, you know the fact that he's got these

1056
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 1: guys playing as hard as you know they can, as

1057
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 1: if they were in the playoff hunt, and that means something.

1058
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, it doesn't.

1059
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 7: I mean I made the point them up Barmore, and

1060
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 7: I mean I would I would throw some of these

1061
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 7: rookies who are starting. I mean Marty Mapu forcing another fumble.

1062
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 7: You know, he's not getting a lot of chances, But

1063
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 7: I mean, Pop Douglas just set the record for rookie

1064
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 7: receptions under Belichick.

1065
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: The key on White had probably an underrated game.

1066
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 7: So you know, I think those are the things to

1067
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 7: me that that stand out, you know, not necessarily even

1068
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 7: that they're still playing hard for him, but just that

1069
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 7: players are getting better and players are starting to make plays,

1070
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 7: and that that's the only way, like I mean we

1071
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 7: can talk about Bill and who's going to be the

1072
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 7: GM and all that stuff, and the bottom line is

1073
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 7: that they need the players to play better and to

1074
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 7: be better, and if they show signs of that, then

1075
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 7: you know, that's reason for a little bit of optimism

1076
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 7: and maybe second guessing of what the future might hold.

1077
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we talked about it. I think there's

1078
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: a bunch of players on this defense that I'd love

1079
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: to have on my team going forward. And I think

1080
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: there's got some dogs. You know, we're looking for silver lining. Yeah,

1081
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: you know, Paul had to go to shoot something for

1082
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: All Access. He'll be back in Evan the same thing.

1083
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 3: He's shooting something. So Paul'll be back. I'll leave, you know,

1084
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 3: we'll just still get a little rotating.

1085
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: All right, chairs here, let's let's we got people calling in,

1086
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Speaker 1: we got people emailing in. So let's get to that

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Speaker 1: eight five to five. Pats five hundred is the eight

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Speaker 1: ticket hot line. Web radio at patries dot com is

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Speaker 1: email address. Let's get to the phones. Willem and fell

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Speaker 1: them is on the phone. What's up? William?

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Speaker 3: Hey, William, pay for it?

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Speaker 9: Pay for it?

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Speaker 10: And Mike, how y'all doing all right? Happy holidays, see y'all. Okay,

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00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 10: all right, I just heard Evan talking. I wanted to

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00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 10: ask him something so bad. Okay, so you wouldn't trade

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00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 10: He wouldn't trade up to get the quarterback that you want.

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Speaker 10: I don't want Michael Pennick honestly because his injuries scared me,

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Speaker 10: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 9: I mean, he's a deep throw, passing all it, I get.

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Speaker 10: It, but his injuries just just gives me. But if

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Speaker 10: you like Drake, make like you said, fred or Keayler Williams.

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Speaker 11: Or go get him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, go get him.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's just just that simple. I just wanted to

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00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 10: ask him though, like, like, okay, so if we had

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Speaker 10: number four, but you wouldn't trade to go get him.

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Speaker 10: M though two was better when we were sitting at though.

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Speaker 9: But you're sitting there four.

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00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 8: You need a quarterback.

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Speaker 10: I mean, what do you what do you want to do?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it all depends on what you like. And like

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00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: you said, if you really think that Drake is going

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Speaker 1: to be the guy, he's your quarterback for the next decade,

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00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: go get him. Go get him, because he ain't gonna

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Speaker 1: be in next year's draft. He's in this year's draft, you.

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00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 7: Know, yes, and I would say too, like this is

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00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 7: a guy you want to make the face of your

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00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 7: franchise too that you know, that's part of it too.

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00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 7: If you you know, really like the kid and you

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Speaker 7: think that he's gonna you know, present the brand, well,

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Speaker 7: can you be right of it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: You can be wrong, but you know, but you got

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Speaker 3: to do it, go down, taking a big swing.

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Speaker 1: You got to do it. Yeah, thanks William. All right,

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00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: happy holidays, Thanks William. When do you start saying Happy

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00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: New Year today?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to say.

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Speaker 3: It until it happens we're still in happy Yeah.

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00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 7: I think until uh mixed one of six point seven

1132
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 7: switches over from all holidays, that's when you got so

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00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 7: you can say.

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Speaker 1: It like the day after and then for two weeks

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00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: I just say Mary New Year. I think that's the

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Speaker 1: Emily Post etiquette for saying Happy New Year. Uh. Michael's

1137
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: in Vermont? What's up, Michael?

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00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 8: Not much?

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Speaker 1: How you guys going to that? Okay?

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Speaker 3: Hello Michael.

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Speaker 8: I want to go back to where you guys talk

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Speaker 8: about the coach.

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Speaker 1: M Yeah.

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Speaker 12: I think if we can get a new GM and

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00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 12: Lot Belichick's be the coach, we would be a lot

1146
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 12: better well, he's not focusing on both GM and coach.

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Speaker 1: As long as he's bought in.

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Speaker 7: I agree, I agree too, but I feel like the

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00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 7: majority of the work of the GM is done in

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Speaker 7: the off season.

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Speaker 1: There in a year. What's that? I'm sorry, sorry, Mike

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00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: was talking next year, Zay, So you think they shouldn't

1153
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: be looking for a new quarterback. You think they've got

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Speaker 1: the quarterback.

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Speaker 8: I think, personally, we got a good quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I disagree with that.

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Speaker 7: I I mean I I I mostly disagree, but I

1158
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,919
Speaker 7: would just say, you know, if you draft a guy

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Speaker 7: that you feel like you need to sit for a

1160
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Speaker 7: little while, I think, you know, there are worse things

1161
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Speaker 7: than Ben Zappy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. I just I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I think, look two games and I know we're not

1164
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Speaker 7: gonna I don't want to make definitive judgment over these

1165
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 7: last two games, but like he's got some strides to make,

1166
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Speaker 7: and the experience counts for a lot, and he has

1167
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Speaker 7: gotten better in every game.

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Speaker 3: And look, at the end.

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Speaker 7: Of the day, if he's just a backup, it's still

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Speaker 7: a valuable piece to the team. So I'm in no

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Speaker 7: rush to get rid of Bailey ZAPPI for sure, we'll

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Speaker 7: just let him fight, let him fight for compete.

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks Michael, appreciate the call. Let's go to

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Speaker 1: Chris in New Hampshire. What's up, Chris, Hey.

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Speaker 12: Brose, thanks taking my call. Yeah, I just want to say,

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Speaker 12: o craft trades Bill. I was okay with letting him, like,

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Speaker 12: you know, go on his own terms, but the team's

1178
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Speaker 12: such a dumpster fire. Now you gotta get something for him.

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Speaker 12: That team's a dumpster fire because.

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Speaker 1: Well sorry, yeah, no, no, I keep going. I just

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Speaker 1: don't think. I think I don't think they can draft him.

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Speaker 1: I don't mean, like rules wise, I just don't think

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Speaker 1: it would work out, you know.

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Speaker 12: Oh, I mean I'm sure. I hope they can find

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Speaker 12: a way, But I mean the team's dumpster fire, and

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Speaker 12: Bill is the one that bought the dumpster, filled a

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Speaker 12: pull of trash and said on fire. So to let

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Speaker 12: him walk for nothing to me is like I know

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Speaker 12: I got something for him, especially if he's worth something

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Speaker 12: somebody else. Because the way it's looking this team, I

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Speaker 12: wouldn't be surprised I at another top five to ten

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Speaker 12: pick next year's draft.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in order to train, he's got to want to

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Speaker 1: go there and the other team has to want him,

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Speaker 1: and you know you have to. I mean, but no,

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Speaker 1: I don't. He doesn't have to do anything. You could

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Speaker 1: just retire. He could, he could.

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Speaker 12: What I'm saying is like, if can the craft basically

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Speaker 12: like a power move and be like, sorry, Bill, you're

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Speaker 12: going uh, I don't know Jacksonville TFB.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they could say that if Jacksonville really wanted him

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Speaker 1: and made the Crafts an offer, that is okay. They

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Speaker 1: could do that, But then Bill could say I'm not

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Speaker 1: going right, like, yeah.

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Speaker 12: Well by retiring, doesn't I get him out of paying them?

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Speaker 12: So either you trade him somewhere? Yeah, him retire yep.

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Speaker 4: I just they're not doing that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I try. I struggle seeing them play hard ball

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Speaker 3: with him.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, he retired, but so the rights to him,

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Speaker 13: they they would.

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Speaker 12: The Crafts have the rights to Belichick if Belichick retires

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Speaker 12: instead of going where they trade them to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they would, But but do you really want to

1215
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Speaker 1: do that with a coach that you know you won

1216
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: six Super Bowls with went to nine.

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Speaker 12: I was all set to honor Bill, but this team

1218
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 12: is such a dumpster fire that you gotta get something

1219
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 12: for him if it was built by somebody else, and

1220
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 12: he was just driving a bus that exploded, that's one thing.

1221
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Speaker 12: But he, like I said, he he set the dumpster

1222
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Speaker 12: on fire.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but he also he also, you know, was the

1224
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Speaker 1: head coach of the greatest dynasty in the NFL. So

1225
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Speaker 1: does that mean any of that?

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Speaker 12: I mean, uh, not to me, to me, not currently?

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Speaker 1: No, Okay, so get something.

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Speaker 12: So I'm grateful for Bill, but get someone for him

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Speaker 12: if you can, if you can.

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Speaker 1: But I just I don't think it's realistic. I think

1231
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Speaker 1: it would be a drawn out thing, and the Patriots

1232
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Speaker 1: have stuff to do.

1233
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Speaker 3: I think I think.

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Speaker 1: You just let him go.

1235
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Speaker 4: But I just like, I think it's funny how he

1236
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 4: built this dumpster fire. But now a team is going

1237
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Speaker 4: to all of a sudden give up something of value

1238
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Speaker 4: for Bill, Like you can't. He's either a good coach

1239
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 4: or he's not. But besides the.

1240
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Speaker 12: Point, I agree with you too. As a fan who

1241
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 12: followed the team pretty closely, I don't know what what

1242
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 12: team would hands Bill the keys to their team.

1243
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I just don't think.

1244
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 12: The thing where it's like, you got some silly stuff

1245
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 12: going on and you want to just like tight some

1246
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 12: stuff up, but in reality, you don't get that with Bill,

1247
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 12: you have to hand over the entire keys to the

1248
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 12: Castle of Bill.

1249
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Speaker 1: We assume that, but like you know, there is a

1250
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: possibility that on another team, he'd be willing to have

1251
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: a more traditional setup.

1252
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Speaker 4: Yeah, as much as I would love to get the

1253
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 4: most you possibly can for him, and if it like

1254
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 4: works out that way, then great. I just think that

1255
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 4: there has to be some sort of similar to how

1256
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 4: it ended with Brady. I know people disagree on this

1257
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 4: topic all the time, but they could have tried to

1258
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 4: play hardball with Tom Brady and they didn't out of

1259
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 4: respect for what he did here for twenty years. And

1260
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Speaker 4: I think it's the same thing with Bill. Like to

1261
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 4: say to trade him to you know who knows where

1262
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 4: and just say like you have to go here and

1263
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 4: we got this bet, you know whatever, Like that's that's

1264
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 4: really disrespeckful to the guy that's done as much for

1265
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Speaker 4: this organization. I just don't I just don't see that.

1266
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Speaker 4: I don't see the Crafts playing hardball like that with Bill.

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Speaker 12: The one thing I would say is I think the

1268
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 12: interesting if someone treated Bill the way Bill treated all players,

1269
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 12: contink Bill was like the whole get rid of them

1270
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 12: before they're a problem. Thing, Like, it'd be interesting if

1271
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 12: someone was like, hey, Bill, guess what we're gonna do

1272
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 12: you Now, there's been a bunch of players that left,

1273
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 12: got traded, walked.

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00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 14: Yecause they were a year.

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Speaker 13: Or two late.

1276
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Speaker 8: Thing.

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Speaker 12: But yeah, hey, guys, I appreciate you taking my call.

1278
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: Okay, thanks, Chris, appreciate it. Let's go to David in

1279
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: Rhode Island. Hey David, Hey, Hello, hey, Hey.

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Speaker 8: The only thing I have to say, like, what's like,

1281
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 8: I'm a New England patrioton in and out, but what

1282
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 8: the hell is going with all of these casuals that

1283
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 8: don't know anything about football? Even if you got rid

1284
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 8: of Belichick, who were you going to replace him with?

1285
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 8: Why would you go with j Ron Mayo or anybody

1286
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 8: else that's in the same coaching tree. It's basically the

1287
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 8: same product.

1288
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 8: I just don't understand that. And at the end of

1290
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 8: the day, you guys keep complaining and disgracing Mac Jones.

1291
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 8: But what did he do so different than what Zacy did?

1292
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 8: They both want two games apiece. Yeah, but what does

1293
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 8: it really matter?

1294
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Speaker 4: I mean, you've said that right, It's not that much different.

1295
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I hear what you're saying. David, So what's

1296
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: your solution here. Obviously it sounds like you want a

1297
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: new quarterback. I get that, but what about the coaching position?

1298
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Speaker 8: This is what I think, and it's common sense. And

1299
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Speaker 8: if you pay attention to listen to even what the

1300
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Speaker 8: former players are saying, even if you listen to something

1301
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 8: that Shane Vereen even saidn't even down to mc cordy,

1302
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 8: you can't really give Mac Jones a fair assessment if

1303
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 8: they're giving them garbage pieces guys that are just coming

1304
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 8: out of Norfolk County working on the friar lator trying

1305
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 8: to play football. No, you need to put if we

1306
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 8: can get like a Marvin Harrison junior builder offensive line

1307
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 8: and get pieces around him, and if he stinks and

1308
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 8: shoots the bettsest part of my oh, and it's fair

1309
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 8: to say than all right, then it's a failed product.

1310
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,479
Speaker 8: But he's still on his rookie deal and you didn't

1311
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 8: do him any justice. He had two different offensive coordinators

1312
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 8: in a couple of years. You're giving them Matt Patricia

1313
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 8: that God knows.

1314
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: Okay, So you're saying that there's still there's still a

1315
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: chance that Mac could be the guy. God?

1316
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 8: Yeah, because yeah, because at the end of the day,

1317
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 8: what did he do that? I was still what does

1318
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 8: Zappi do that was so special? All right, Mac Jones.

1319
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: But I don't think that it's not a binary choice.

1320
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: I don't think that. I don't think we're saying it's

1321
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: Mac or Zappi. Most people are saying it's neither.

1322
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 8: Nah. I honestly think that the kid deserves a fair chance.

1323
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 8: My personal opinion, if I was to get a quarterback,

1324
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 8: I would go Jalen Daniel in the draft, and then

1325
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 8: you build around them. You have a couple of pieces.

1326
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 8: You've got kay Shaun Boody. Why he's not playing, I

1327
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 8: don't know why. The other kid Douglas is good. You

1328
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 8: gotta get rid of Juju and the other guy, Parker,

1329
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 8: the pieces of him for those guys, and you just

1330
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 8: need to get other pieces of players that can develop

1331
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 8: and create separations so you can go we have a

1332
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 8: championship beef and we're a couple of pieces of weight.

1333
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 8: It's just that people seem to forget and one things

1334
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 8: are going bad. It's really not that bad. Still, as

1335
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 8: a GM, he didn't do so much. He didn't do

1336
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 8: as good. The way he drives defense is kind of

1337
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 8: the way he drives offense, and he thinks everybody's expendable,

1338
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 8: and that's not how it should be. You got now

1339
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 8: he has with that, and get players that you know

1340
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 8: that can create separation and that can get it put

1341
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 8: points on the board.

1342
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: Okay, David, I appreciate the call.

1343
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, I had some questions for him about would you

1344
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 7: still be playing Mac?

1345
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 3: Do you think?

1346
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: I mean?

1347
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 7: I mean, look, I don't think that Devonte Parker is

1348
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 7: the number one that everybody wants, but like, the guy

1349
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 7: just made like two huge catches and helped you get

1350
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 7: in position to win a game, and you can't get

1351
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 7: rid of him if any faster right now? Does Max

1352
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 7: still deserve more of a chance? Like, and I get,

1353
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 7: like we talk, it's not that much better. But I'm

1354
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 7: sorry Mac was broken and you think that like it's

1355
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 7: everyone else's fault and like as much as.

1356
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 3: We temper it with, well, it hasn't looked all that different.

1357
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 7: Well I'm sorry, Like Billy Zappy has helped this win

1358
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 7: two games in the last four weeks, and I'm not

1359
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 7: saying it was all on him, but Mac, they gave

1360
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 7: him chance after chance after chance, and he kept making

1361
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 7: stupid plays that just cannot be played in the league,

1362
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 7: so I you know, and I.

1363
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 3: Just it just pisses me off.

1364
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 7: The people are like they come in like I'm the

1365
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 7: football Oh you casuals. All the casuals out there like like, no,

1366
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 7: this is that's what God, No, that's the that's the

1367
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 7: new insult. As in like I sit in my mighty

1368
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 7: football perch. I watch every game seven times a week,

1369
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 7: and anyone else who doesn't do that doesn't know.

1370
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 3: And you're just a casual fan. And then you come

1371
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 3: in and you tell me, well, we.

1372
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 7: Got to get rid of Devonte Parker, the guy that

1373
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 7: just made the biggest catching a game in Denver to

1374
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 7: win the game.

1375
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: Like you know, David coaches Pop one.

1376
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 4: I would just I would all push back. Not whatever

1377
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 4: he said he said about all that stuff, but like

1378
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 4: this notion that girod. Mayo would be the exact same

1379
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 4: coach as Bill I think is really far off base.

1380
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying Mao is the answer. I'm or

1381
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 4: like my first choice or whatever. If you want to

1382
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 4: hire from outside the tree. I totally get that. But

1383
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 4: you to the players and the guys that are actually

1384
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 4: being coached by Gerard Mayo, and he's a totally different

1385
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 4: person than Bill is. The words that you were used

1386
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 4: to describe him are like players coach, right, like big brother, right,

1387
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 4: you know, like those types.

1388
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: Of Yeah, anything you know of Gerard Mayo. Now, you

1389
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: can't put in the bank that that's how he'll be

1390
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: if he's the head coach.

1391
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 4: I'm just saying that I think that his personality just

1392
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 4: naturally is really a lot. Maybe he looks at the

1393
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 4: game defensively similarly to Bill, or like the way to

1394
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 4: prepare and the way to game plan and like all

1395
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff, But in terms of like how

1396
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 4: he interacts with his players and his whole just persona,

1397
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 4: I think is just significantly different than that. And I

1398
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 4: will hand it off to Paul.

1399
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: Now, okay, let's go to Jasper in Summerville. What's up Jasper?

1400
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 14: Hey, guys, first on caller, love the show and thanks

1401
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 14: for taking my call. I agree with the kind of

1402
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 14: the doomsayers saying, oh well there goes Kleb Williams. That's

1403
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 14: ridiculous to me. I think the wins the morale is

1404
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 14: worth more than the pick, if that makes sense. Like,

1405
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 14: it just feels good, especially to see far more go off. Yea,

1406
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 14: But for me, I kind of limit you know what

1407
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 14: you were saying, Like, h Patriots are kind of maybe

1408
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 14: a little agnostic. They have a they have they have

1409
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 14: teers and boards and fourth pick, second pick, you know,

1410
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 14: but if we had the second pick, think about how

1411
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 14: exciting it could be to trade that get future first

1412
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 14: or first, like to first. I just feel like the

1413
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 14: options there are just so much more exciting.

1414
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, yeah, and that's.

1415
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 14: That's my statement. Thanks for the show, Love you guys.

1416
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: Thanks, thanks Jasper.

1417
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 6: I like Jasper's way of thinking, Yeah, what more options?

1418
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 6: How you are the more options you have, it doesn't

1419
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:57,439
Speaker 6: have to be about just taking a guy.

1420
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I just this team needs a lot

1421
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 3: of work.

1422
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 7: Like I mean, I think anybody that thinks even if

1423
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 7: they had the first overall pick that they'd be right

1424
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 7: back in the hunt immediately, it's.

1425
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 6: A little bit of a stretch to me, but it

1426
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 6: can get you back in the hunt, No, for sure.

1427
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 3: But I still think you can make a pick of

1428
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 3: four that can get you back in the hunt too.

1429
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 6: But my point is, like, let's say Fred's right, and

1430
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 6: Caleb Williams and Drake may are just two more of

1431
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 6: the best in this particular class. But nothing special. And

1432
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,919
Speaker 6: the Patriots think that too. Well, the higher you pick,

1433
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 6: the more you're gonna get for your pick. If so,

1434
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 6: if you deem Caleb Williams's I mean, everybody wants them,

1435
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 6: but I don't see it. I'm going to get two

1436
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 6: first round picks in the future. Second and do what

1437
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 6: Chicago did. Yeah, like that's the higher you picked, the

1438
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 6: more valuable you pick. It is.

1439
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 7: And the Texans but that takes real cojones to do that.

1440
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 7: And I'm sure everyone would absolutely kill them if they

1441
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 7: traded the second overall pick and they you know, I

1442
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 7: mean if people are mad that you're not that you're

1443
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 7: picking four instead of two and they, but when you're

1444
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 7: in two and you traded too, it's a I just

1445
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 7: there's a lot of work to be done. Well, I mean,

1446
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 7: we'll get into all the draft stuff, but I just

1447
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 7: think that no, and I and I mean, and then

1448
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 7: who doesn't want to be Houston last year? Who doesn't

1449
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 7: want to come away with C. J. Stroud and will

1450
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 7: Anderson and you you know? And now, but you had

1451
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 7: to bite the bullet.

1452
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 6: I understand. That's how it worked. You got Stroud and

1453
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 6: no one saw Stroud being this good, this fast, okay,

1454
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 6: but by training down in accumulating picks, your message is

1455
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 6: we need a lot. We need probably a couple of

1456
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 6: tackles and a couple of receivers and some depth on

1457
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 6: defense everywhere, but safety, like they need a lot.

1458
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, but don't you think that's more realistic though,

1459
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 7: to trade down from four than two?

1460
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 6: No, it's not worth as much.

1461
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: Only if you know it depends on who you like.

1462
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: It's not realistic if you believe that Drake made the guy.

1463
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: It is realistic. If you need a lot and you're

1464
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: not convinced that either one is the guy, that it's

1465
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: more realistic.

1466
01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 6: That's not what he What do he say? He he's saying,

1467
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 6: like you can trade down from four?

1468
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has not formiliar where.

1469
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 6: Right, No, you can, but I think two is worth

1470
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 6: more than four. It will get you more picks. Right's

1471
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 6: not going to do with Drake many?

1472
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: No, I know. But why do you say it's more

1473
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: realistic to trade down.

1474
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 6: From Because he thinks the backlash from passing up one

1475
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 6: on one of those guys is bad well.

1476
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 7: And that there's also just a certain level and this

1477
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 7: I think exists through the you know, for like the

1478
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 7: top first half of the first round is you're if

1479
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 7: you're in that position, you're almost obligated to take a

1480
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 7: quarterback if there's one slotted in that spot like that, if.

1481
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: You think they're going to be your future.

1482
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 7: But even if you don't, like, even if like, do

1483
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 7: you think that every every top ten pick, that every

1484
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 7: team that selected all the you know, the tree lances,

1485
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 7: that has a conviction this.

1486
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: Is went you went from the top two to top ten.

1487
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 3: Well it' said top fifteen was what I said. The

1488
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 3: point was, if you're in the.

1489
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 7: Top fifteen and you need a quarterback, mac Jones, you're

1490
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 7: kind of obligated to take one. Like it's it's it's

1491
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 7: just it's like no one could wrap their head around

1492
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 7: them being it too and trading out to Drake Man because.

1493
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: That's a bad way to run my same person another apartment.

1494
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to be obligated to do anything. I

1495
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 1: want to do it because I believe.

1496
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 6: It, and I don't think I don't think. I do

1497
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 6: think that teams take quarter they they talk themselves into quarterbacks.

1498
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 6: I think Mike is right. I don't think that you

1499
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 6: have to take a quart You can't trade because you

1500
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 6: have to take a quarterback. If you think Caleb Williams

1501
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 6: is everything but the other guys are just met, then

1502
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 6: you don't have to take the other guys. Now, you

1503
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 6: can talk yourself into it. And I'm sure there's been

1504
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 6: a you know, a litany of teams that have done that,

1505
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 6: we think, and probably some of those teams that talk

1506
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 6: themselves into a guy that they didn't really love probably

1507
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 6: were rewarded for it. They They probably weren't all like

1508
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 6: Blake Gordles, he's raw. But you know, that's probably not

1509
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 6: a great example because they trade it up.

1510
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 7: With Josh Rose in the other end of the stottum

1511
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 7: right now, where you're just like, well, he's the number

1512
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 7: three guy.

1513
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 3: We need a quarterback.

1514
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 7: He's the you know, then we got those kinds of guys,

1515
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 7: and that's you know, how what is the conviction like

1516
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 7: for I mean, and it's easy when you're picking one

1517
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 7: or two and there's.

1518
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 3: Two or three quarterbacks and you know, all right, it's easy

1519
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 3: to talk yourself into it.

1520
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 7: But you know, I think to to the bigger point,

1521
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 7: it's just like, yeah, sure, when you're sitting at one

1522
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 7: or two and you got your pick of the litter.

1523
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a little bit easier.

1524
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: We've had a lot of calls, Paul, A lot of

1525
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 1: good calls.

1526
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 3: Missed some good ones.

1527
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go to Eldred and Charlotte. What's up Eldred Aldred?

1528
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 15: Hey, Hey, could y'all hear me?

1529
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1530
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 15: Ump in the mountains.

1531
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 8: I might lose you in the mountains.

1532
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 6: Okay, but we'll roll the dice.

1533
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 15: I ain't gonna say it that much, y'all. Drafting, I

1534
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 15: don't know. But what kiars me the most here we

1535
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 15: keep winning and they're not gonna change nothing, and the

1536
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 15: GM is still here.

1537
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 6: That's that's a whole different that's a whole different element

1538
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 6: of this, and it's very interesting, very interesting. I'll relay

1539
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 6: some of the conversation we just had as we were shooting.

1540
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: Okay, let's let's hear that.

1541
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 15: But instead, though I watched Drake May I told y'all,

1542
01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 15: and eat him on a note.

1543
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 13: They're consistent.

1544
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 15: Now he can run, yeah, you know, he can go

1545
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 15: a little deep, but he'll think it's no I keep saying,

1546
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 15: Michael Pennick, like I said, like the way he played,

1547
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 15: I like like like you in New Weather, like like

1548
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 15: New England. And then you'll see New Year's day.

1549
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 13: It gets Texas, what do you look like?

1550
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 1: What he played?

1551
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 16: Like?

1552
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 15: I've been watching Tomorrow all year or two. So Drake

1553
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 15: May and Caleb william He don't toe you don't want

1554
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 15: to play in New England. But if y'all want to

1555
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 15: go draft mem if you won't, probably doing another.

1556
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 6: They're not going to have an opportunity to draft either

1557
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 6: one of those guys, So it doesn't really matter. They're

1558
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 6: not They're not getting up to one. Caleb Williams is

1559
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 6: not that is not going to be available to the Patriots.

1560
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 15: No, maybe not, but but like I said, if he

1561
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 15: is who they picked, well I wish you everybody look

1562
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 15: there the opposite Becking root for him too, but not

1563
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 15: the guy I will go with.

1564
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 13: But y'all have a good one.

1565
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 6: All right, Thanks, thanks big E. Yeah, I mean I

1566
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 6: just don't the Chicago thing. If they hold onto the

1567
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 6: pick and they you know, are they really going to

1568
01:06:58,480 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 6: take Marvin Harrison at one?

1569
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: Like?

1570
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 6: Does that make sense to people?

1571
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 7: I'm thinking yeah, like, and it's hard to trade down

1572
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 7: if you believe in justin fields.

1573
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 6: Maybe it does, no, But I just think that there's

1574
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 6: so much more value in that pick than to take

1575
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 6: a wide receiver at one, but.

1576
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 7: It's hard to trade down past three and think you

1577
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 7: could get him, you know, Like, I mean, he's probably

1578
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 7: gonna go in those first three picks.

1579
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 3: So what was the convo? I don't want to hear.

1580
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 6: No, just that like, has the wind changed anything, you

1581
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 6: know in terms of your thoughts?

1582
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: And I just like, who are the speakers here? Were

1583
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: you talking?

1584
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 6: It's the crew, It's Steve Burton, it's Mike Matt Smith.

1585
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 6: Just the to me that my answer is always the same.

1586
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 6: It's like they asked me, does this change anything for you?

1587
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 6: And I said for me, no, what did you think that?

1588
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 6: And I said, did you think before the Denver game

1589
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 6: that he was gone? And if the answer is yes,

1590
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 6: then I don't see how anything changes. If you didn't

1591
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 6: know heading into the Denver game and you're saying, well,

1592
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 6: you know, I'm on the fence. They've played really hard,

1593
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 6: they've won two out of three. Maybe he's saving his job,

1594
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 6: that's what you think. Like if you think he was

1595
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 6: gone before the Denver game, and then they beat Denver

1596
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 6: in a meaningless game, and that's changing your opinion. And

1597
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 6: not only they beat Denver in a meaningless game, but

1598
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 6: let's let's call it for what it was. They were

1599
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 6: less bad than Denver. Yeah right, I mean that was

1600
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 6: another common theme for our post games, like there was

1601
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 6: a craptastic game of mistakes that we made one fewer

1602
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 6: than they did, and they ended up winning the game

1603
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 6: because of it. Right, It's not like they went out

1604
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 6: and blew doors off and played this really impressive, you know,

1605
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 6: execution game on both sides of the ball, like even

1606
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 6: I would have said, like defensively, at least they you know,

1607
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 6: they really executed and then they fell apart. Yeah.

1608
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 3: I think for me, I don't think the interesting question

1609
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 3: is what we feel. It's what Robert Kraft feels and and.

1610
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 7: That's the that's the real question. And you know, my

1611
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 7: thoughts haven't really changed, But I just I can't help

1612
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 7: but wonder an owner who's a little bit older and

1613
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 7: has this familiarity with this coach, and you know, it

1614
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 7: would be the easy thing to just let him come back,

1615
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 7: to try to give them a couple more seasons, you know,

1616
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 7: to to buy into we lost a lot of close games,

1617
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 7: and not to just completely upset the apple cart and

1618
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,480
Speaker 7: have to deal with a new GM, a new relationship

1619
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 7: with someone else. That's gonna maybe come in here and

1620
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 7: totally change the culture. You know, It's it's easy to

1621
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 7: see if you were in Robert Kraft's position, why you

1622
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 7: might say, you know what, we only got so much

1623
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 7: time left.

1624
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna arrive with my guy Bill. We'll see what happens.

1625
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 7: I still believe in him that that's the question for

1626
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 7: you know, for us on the outside, I think we're

1627
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 7: all in agreement that it's just probably time first.

1628
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 3: But it's a big ask.

1629
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 7: It's a big ask, and usually they we talked about Mayo.

1630
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 7: I think when organizations they move on and they change

1631
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 7: things like it's it's hard to completely wipe the whole

1632
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 7: slate clean and bring in an all new personnel to

1633
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 7: run your business. The thing that's easy to do is

1634
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 7: to at least have some semblance of what we're familiar with,

1635
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 7: someone I have a relationship with that I at least

1636
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 7: know if things get dicey early on that that we're

1637
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 7: gonna be able to push through it, because this isn't

1638
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 7: some new guy that I haven't experience this with.

1639
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 1: All Right, time to take a break one week, Paul's

1640
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: can eat his napkin. I guess no, I was doing TV. Okay,

1641
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 1: so we could just take a break. Okay, all right,

1642
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 1: we'll take a break. We'll come back. More of your

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Speaker 16: I'm forty two, very very Christmas to you and yours

1665
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 16: for this colony football matchup on Christmas Eve, and Andrew

1666
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,719
Speaker 16: stabs his lay after faith and heat dropped by Daffy.

1667
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 11: He's under a rush the boss backhoms he.

1668
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,560
Speaker 16: Sat has picked up by the Broncos ruling of a

1669
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 16: five hours five We're gonna say now with denver recovery. E.

1670
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 16: G Chones the nose tackle in his seventh year at

1671
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 16: of Omens and it is.

1672
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 13: With the dawn to start for knowing about his defend

1673
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 13: burst out. Uh, they're gonna go for it?

1674
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 15: Are the Broncos gonna board the door from the.

1675
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 13: Jew Williams to his white Wilking would a head.

1676
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,640
Speaker 18: Up Williams got They do it to short stumbled.

1677
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:44,599
Speaker 11: And go to the right the flahole half the one

1678
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 11: and the Patrons with the goal line down.

1679
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 1: You deserve it.

1680
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 18: You deserve Joan Payton take the points. You got to

1681
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 18: freeze first and goal and your offense just choked. Great

1682
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 18: job Patriots defense.

1683
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,679
Speaker 13: Wilson with the game Williams runs in life the Burley

1684
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 13: forward still in a up the middle for a techdown

1685
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 13: Denver off. Who's good after right there I saw him?

1686
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:07,680
Speaker 1: They are dren ed y.

1687
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 5: He points good again.

1688
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 18: He gives them the ball inside his pens three times

1689
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 18: for the plus territory.

1690
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 13: To start the football game.

1691
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 6: He could throw him do so.

1692
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 11: Much got get sta zampions Presser throws.

1693
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:22,719
Speaker 19: Him up downer faim won't in his Buker runs away

1694
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 19: from a tackler.

1695
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 13: Off and then he stepped out of mount He had

1696
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 13: an open side by the head.

1697
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,719
Speaker 11: But slightly off balance besides ted left.

1698
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 13: To the brushwo thirty three.

1699
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 11: This was similar to the touchdown kat in Pittsburgh.

1700
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:37,679
Speaker 18: By Hunter Enery Cover two. If Davy Season gets past

1701
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:38,440
Speaker 18: the sid.

1702
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 16: City corner and he saints it in there.

1703
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:43,639
Speaker 18: Want to throw back shoulder, the rager have to held.

1704
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 16: A throw by Zappy He got him staff He Wilpin

1705
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:48,560
Speaker 16: his game whats five bills got it off to the

1706
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 16: left Black five by one.

1707
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 11: And held on a hit by the five Who's fall

1708
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 11: on the fourth yard line?

1709
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:57,759
Speaker 13: When this bram Had continues with a moronbo line, seemingly

1710
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 13: as the deck shot at it. After divide the ball

1711
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,719
Speaker 13: out from Jama got Williams, we got out of Baker.

1712
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 11: Say they recovered the vic George and he'll.

1713
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 13: Go good card does come away with the football. He

1714
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 13: said it Fetrid wi'st the bottom of the file right

1715
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:15,639
Speaker 13: awayland along with Jeremiah Barr.

1716
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 20: It's great pressure on Wilson and Wills is at the

1717
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,680
Speaker 20: book is poderd He wanted to and we want to

1718
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 20: off the.

1719
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 13: Patis became us.

1720
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 16: We got gets back to Wilson Er he's got a

1721
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 16: level for the ball, got is and Wilson balls and

1722
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 16: got it.

1723
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 13: Matt Wilson to.

1724
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:31,640
Speaker 11: Handle the backfield breaking.

1725
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 16: Having for the Patriots and on his current second as

1726
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 16: many weeks Christian Barmore nearly had the fright efforts, but

1727
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 16: Wilson bowls on it to research the possession and set

1728
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 16: up a pot by Dender Wilson as.

1729
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 8: One of the biggest pressures in tackles.

1730
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 6: We get to Pittsburgh to secure that one.

1731
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 20: This point gets them around the edge and docks the

1732
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 20: health effort is narrowly this football team. There's still one

1733
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 20: in ball this back he's good plays win in the

1734
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:57,639
Speaker 20: right leg, clearing the Lions.

1735
01:13:57,680 --> 01:13:59,480
Speaker 13: They tack Darren Gord and half lights.

1736
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 11: This well, why he's in the right.

1737
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 18: What a terrible what a terrem here he does that's horrible.

1738
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 13: Now fourteen of twenty two, and now will mutch wills like.

1739
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 11: A fifty seven yards veh goal.

1740
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 16: The snap delivered, plays the play right like kick players

1741
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 16: for line, a low line drive.

1742
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,719
Speaker 13: It's headed to the cross bar, and it's so good.

1743
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:23,760
Speaker 11: The shop and.

1744
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:28,560
Speaker 16: Snap lets handle the boys almost good walk and he

1745
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 16: kicks down Wilson for his fourth SAT.

1746
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:32,639
Speaker 13: In the last five games.

1747
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 16: The third year defensive tackle out of Alabama continues to

1748
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 16: live rest.

1749
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:38,719
Speaker 11: What's a bad football?

1750
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 12: You play bound games?

1751
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:43,759
Speaker 1: And I know we're threeing eleven. The talking about the effort,

1752
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 1: yepits there.

1753
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 9: Yefford's there.

1754
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 16: The talent is not Dottin Wilson third and thirty four

1755
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:55,640
Speaker 16: map you could goever, crap up will set.

1756
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 8: Another sack for Christian Barmore.

1757
01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 13: He puts kicking her, telling the staff will if you

1758
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 13: dropped back. Here comes far More, goes part Crown.

1759
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 16: He's got hold out ball in his loose far More

1760
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 16: diving hoard the pile.

1761
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 11: We got it, reaching Warren in the next of three

1762
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 11: rondo taking player saying New.

1763
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 13: England has it. Mab who is down there as well.

1764
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 13: They Vigi say it belongs to Denver.

1765
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 18: That is four second except five. He's amazed to kid.

1766
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 13: Block right now at Patrick to night not as though

1767
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 13: that is third of.

1768
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 12: The b oh Man.

1769
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 11: As he takes the snat.

1770
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 13: Drop back players a light head light her on.

1771
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 19: He's heder in the time, dives home on put down hatreds.

1772
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 18: Love that drive over the half. My Bailey's happy. So

1773
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,560
Speaker 18: I makes on second half balls and been around for

1774
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 18: two weeks. Now you come out and swing it. You

1775
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 18: make a big play, a forty one yarder to get

1776
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 18: this drive going.

1777
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 20: They can pub popped up up again and then it's

1778
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 20: a perfect call my olil Bryant.

1779
01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 18: They run double backs into the backfield.

1780
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 20: Then they posted blue a half left and that allowed

1781
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 20: seek to get to the right and it's a perfect

1782
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 20: role by Paisley.

1783
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 1: The allowed Sik to leap over one of.

1784
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 18: The defenders for fifteen yard touchdown.

1785
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,679
Speaker 16: Second touchdown catch of the season by Elliott, second from.

1786
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 13: Zampi in three weeks. The high staff of Gardono the.

1787
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 16: Kick by while under the up right and it gets

1788
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 16: all I left you up right.

1789
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 1: He got so good.

1790
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:23,639
Speaker 16: This dector brought by Tad lyle in a high stat

1791
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 16: bringer got it down. Ryland resting the kick off the

1792
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 16: left up right, then bring the other kicker yos now

1793
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 16: mit his last two.

1794
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 13: He takes the step against it, but he's a drump.

1795
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 11: He's fact got got up. Who he has Josh for

1796
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 11: a sack.

1797
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 13: Back at the twenty nine.

1798
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 16: Boy, it's been a long time coming for John Goojay

1799
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 16: to wrap up another sack for New England.

1800
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 20: K Billy trying first come out on the third nine

1801
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 20: to make sure you got the right person now right,

1802
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 20: call you dow up a blist, great call.

1803
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 13: And keep him in the pocket.

1804
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 20: That's the key, puts them out the hut and Bill

1805
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 20: who flits off that edge at Levers They kept.

1806
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 1: Him in sack.

1807
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 11: Sappy drus backs run got running ro good White.

1808
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:05,639
Speaker 18: He drove to the back of the end.

1809
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 13: Zone, damp sicky New England and was facing its lead.

1810
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:10,640
Speaker 8: Badley's up.

1811
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 13: He didn't run it, he slung it and he's found

1812
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 13: Mike a sickie cut a touchdown. Here's second of the season.

1813
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:18,599
Speaker 13: Well Hens happy on the boom.

1814
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 18: Are I mean home? As the two cover pockets collopsy.

1815
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 13: He sides up, I go run it.

1816
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 20: There's one to love. Nope, he knew what the run

1817
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 20: the script it was and he waited. He waited, put

1818
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 20: a sickie to clear that back in line.

1819
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 16: Under the Holm pot and there's the time run up

1820
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 16: at the way of the leg by Land.

1821
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 13: His kick is driven Jordan Mins.

1822
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 11: He taps his check.

1823
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 13: He's gonna be turning it. Rocket, push it out to

1824
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 13: the floor, runs to the left, Hash Bartech.

1825
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 19: Ball bloss we the Leland puts it on. Let's damp,

1826
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 19: Patrians cover it up, Mike Conny Davis hop initially a

1827
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 19: moment Joinery Hi the Condy Davis.

1828
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:04,600
Speaker 13: After the ball was not freeing, covering up with the

1829
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 13: end zone.

1830
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 11: Man this great and left.

1831
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 13: The ball was knocked out by Mark Ka Bob boom.

1832
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:14,480
Speaker 13: That's his second take away in his many weeks and Davis.

1833
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 11: Paul's on it for a new England touchdown.

1834
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 18: Break call, Bob, break call.

1835
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,639
Speaker 20: You got his ass kicking, oh first receiving its Depper

1836
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 20: take his place right now. This third quarter, I mean

1837
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 20: it was seventh grade and halftime. Look at the other end,

1838
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 20: the points, Look at the energy on.

1839
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 18: The bench, most big this team, but Wilson.

1840
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 13: Look at the brow he rolled down. Light came by

1841
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:39,520
Speaker 13: Jake going backwards.

1842
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 11: Start to the end zone drept Ons.

1843
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 13: Coup touchdown of Denver.

1844
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 16: He tossed it up in his tight had take to play,

1845
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 16: rumped it with the crab look against the call.

1846
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 11: I'm gonna bunch out with the defender.

1847
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 16: For New England and make the ketch in front of

1848
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 16: Alix Astin Broaco's gonna have to go over two.

1849
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:57,640
Speaker 13: Welcome from the gundation that Flick Drow left for.

1850
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 11: Johnson one straight a half hid by Bio, but he

1851
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 11: wants just in two point conversion.

1852
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 20: Denver as we have a dolar player, yep, you have

1853
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:09,680
Speaker 20: a goal. Elely play where you're going for doom and

1854
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:11,480
Speaker 20: said we'll go Hence Atlanta.

1855
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 13: Looks Joys left, Josey left.

1856
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 19: Johnson makes the tech hunt for the time for Johnson

1857
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 19: to the pot line touch down big Earl.

1858
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 13: Two point games.

1859
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:23,719
Speaker 11: Wilson gold got.

1860
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 16: Right, f's up two ways, makes the heat out, runs

1861
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 16: Bentley into the end. Dude on his fat five ball

1862
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:32,600
Speaker 16: game twenty three, twenty three, two fifty three to go

1863
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 16: scame host here.

1864
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 1: Minutes ago.

1865
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,640
Speaker 13: The rookie Maryland by way of Eastern Michigan.

1866
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 11: President Christmas Preble l fourteen to twenty two.

1867
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:51,679
Speaker 13: This season, he's missed four of his last seven field

1868
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 13: goal Trots six.

1869
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 16: You will have an opportunity from screen on fifty six yards.

1870
01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 6: Away victory for the.

1871
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 11: Maradona over the football.

1872
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 13: Maren is right, he is down. He shows Cardona and

1873
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:07,520
Speaker 13: his right hand Rylan.

1874
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 16: Ways when he burned in the man, the stack the spot,

1875
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:11,959
Speaker 16: the kick clears the line.

1876
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 18: Sandy to the up price the COONa.

1877
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 3: Here's god, the kid did it with.

1878
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 13: Two seconds to go.

1879
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 19: Ryland is given the Patriots, but twenty six twenty three

1880
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 19: lead here in Denver and he's.

1881
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 11: Mobed by his teammates on the far side. And how

1882
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 11: good must that feels?

1883
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 20: What he'll call right here?

1884
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 18: Mop kudos to you man. Wow, what a kick by

1885
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 18: a kid. He knew it right away too.

1886
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 20: I'm watching him kick it while you're watching the kick

1887
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 20: and he's fist pumping the second and left his book

1888
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:49,600
Speaker 20: watch when he hits it.

1889
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 11: He knew it right away. He drove that kick straight

1890
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 11: down the middle.

1891
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:14,599
Speaker 1: Okay, back here and Patriots unfiltered. I didn't know if

1892
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 1: there was a rejoint.

1893
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 3: I was here.

1894
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 1: We go listen, you know Bridge Don't is the official

1895
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 1: tire of the new England Patriots and proud partner with

1896
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 1: Sullivan Tire. Did you know that? And did you know

1897
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 1: that Sullivan Tires New England's headquarter for quality bridgetone tires.

1898
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 1: So we got something going here. We got the bridge

1899
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 1: Don't tires and you can get them at Sullivan Tire.

1900
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 1: Got it. Sullivan Tire doesn't make a tire, but they

1901
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 1: sell bridgetone tires, so just buy them there right exactly,

1902
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 1: So go to sullivantire dot com and find a location

1903
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: for Sullivan Tire near you where you can go and

1904
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 1: buy your Bridgeton't tires.

1905
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 3: So so I like to talk about the the Bill

1906
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 3: Belichick restaurant.

1907
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 7: We were talking about l Ways and Shoela's and uh,

1908
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 7: I come out of just I think there's with some

1909
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,480
Speaker 7: comments there in Patriot places.

1910
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 4: You too should be.

1911
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 1: We're in Denver. Our travel crew went to Elways. We

1912
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 1: did not have a great which is a steakhouse. It

1913
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 1: was in Denver and we were thinking, you know, there's

1914
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 1: a lot of Shoelas. Shanahan has one, Elway has one

1915
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:19,120
Speaker 1: Lombardes in Green Bay. What would Belichick steakhouse?

1916
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:20,519
Speaker 7: I like I was going to say, there'd be like

1917
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 7: Way too much attention on like the appetizers right, Like the.

1918
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 3: Third phase.

1919
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 6: Seem way too important.

1920
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 7: The side a lot of emphasis, like we have over

1921
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 7: two hundred sides, Like that's too many, Like mashed potato,

1922
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 7: baked potatoes, twice baked potato.

1923
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 3: What do you like French fries?

1924
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 1: You know that would be you win the meal on

1925
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 1: the side.

1926
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 4: The appetizers are in the margins always is very good.

1927
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 4: Appreciate dinner.

1928
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 1: And we thought that at Belichi, all the white staff

1929
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:49,719
Speaker 1: is really grumpy.

1930
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 6: You know, I don't know.

1931
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 3: All the girls are wearing just cut off sweatshirts.

1932
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 6: It's not it's not sexy, sexy at all.

1933
01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, thinking about that, well, that's you know, it's like Hooters,

1934
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 7: but only not Hooters, the opposite of right, Okay, sweatshirts

1935
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 7: all right?

1936
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:10,639
Speaker 1: Eight five five past five hundred is the ACE ticket hotline.

1937
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 1: Web radio at patries dot com is the email address.

1938
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:15,800
Speaker 1: Let's go to William and Florida. Who's been hanging on?

1939
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,599
Speaker 1: What's up William? Hey?

1940
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 9: How you doing?

1941
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 21: Do you hear me?

1942
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 8: Yes?

1943
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 9: Okay, Hey, just want to first of all, give a

1944
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:26,640
Speaker 9: shout out to Deuce for putting that guy in his

1945
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:29,559
Speaker 9: place where that was calling people casuals and then had

1946
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 9: the nerve to say that we should be starting Mac

1947
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 9: Jones in the next breath.

1948
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 8: I mean, just just pissed me off.

1949
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 9: That's half the reason I called all right. That point

1950
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 9: you made is the point that I was thinking in

1951
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 9: my head, I'm like, dude, getting lost. But anyway a

1952
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 9: lot of people are gonna think I should get lost

1953
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:51,680
Speaker 9: because I actually like Bailey's acte. I like him, and

1954
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 9: I think he's earned the right to start next season.

1955
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 9: I'm not saying we don't have to draft a quarterback,

1956
01:23:57,640 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 9: but I think he should be given that opportunity because

1957
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 9: I don't think he was really given the opportunity to

1958
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 9: start this year back in back in training camp.

1959
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:10,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you're not, you know, and like I, I

1960
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 1: don't think he's the guy. But here's the here's the

1961
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 1: case for Bailey Zappey. This is his second year. Obviously,

1962
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:18,600
Speaker 1: he didn't play his first year except for you know,

1963
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 1: in crazy circumstances because Mac got hurt and you know

1964
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:26,040
Speaker 1: all that stuff and then got benched. But he didn't.

1965
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 1: He set like n C double A records at Western Kentucky,

1966
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 1: you know, so you know he's like, yeah, so like

1967
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 1: you know he can play the game of football, and

1968
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 1: like you know, Teddy Bruski came in, Like I know

1969
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 1: he was at Arizona. That's a bigger program than Western Kentucky.

1970
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 1: But like, wasn't he the sack leader for the n

1971
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:49,679
Speaker 1: C Double A. So like that in and of itself says, Okay,

1972
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: this guy has he can do some things. I think

1973
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 1: you can make the same case for Bailey ZAPPI like

1974
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 1: maybe with time, with time and under the right coaching,

1975
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:00,759
Speaker 1: he could be a really good and a felt quarterback.

1976
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 4: I appreciate you making the case.

1977
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying that, Well, you were right about party.

1978
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 18: I was there.

1979
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 6: I was already give, I already give. I wasn't even

1980
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 6: going to bring it up.

1981
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 4: I was gonna wait till somebody else.

1982
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:15,439
Speaker 1: I was in the car thinking, and I'm gonna get

1983
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 1: Paul going.

1984
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:21,960
Speaker 6: It's really funny. I had a text, uh after the

1985
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 6: fourth pick, getting ready to send, and I was like,

1986
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 6: he's just too giddy. I'm not even gonna I'm not

1987
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 6: even gonna bother. I just figured that I'll take my

1988
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 6: lumps tomorrow.

1989
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 1: William. So you're not crazy, absolutely not.

1990
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 4: I think you're not crazy.

1991
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 9: And and maybe a little when the thing is really quick,

1992
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:45,800
Speaker 9: And I'm glad you feel that way because last year,

1993
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 9: you know, I was made fun of. I was called

1994
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 9: a weirdo. I was told by guys like like Tom

1995
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 9: Kern and Evan Lazar that my eyes didn't see what

1996
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:57,599
Speaker 9: what what they saw. Everybody was telling me, no, Zapy

1997
01:25:57,680 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 9: really sucks and Mac is the one that's really good.

1998
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:02,639
Speaker 9: And I'm like, no, I kind of saw what I saw.

1999
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:04,639
Speaker 9: I think Zappy actually looked pretty good.

2000
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 6: Okay, can I offer a rebuttal now.

2001
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 9: With some different host seeds? Thanks?

2002
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 1: All right, Thanks William.

2003
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:14,720
Speaker 4: Wow, I was nice to him and I said he

2004
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 4: wasn't crazy. Now you're bat shit.

2005
01:26:16,439 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh this is the whole, like the Mac Jones thing.

2006
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 6: I totally agree with William. I think there was an

2007
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:27,400
Speaker 6: element of, I don't know, some kind of territoriality around here,

2008
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:30,879
Speaker 6: like if you even suggested that there was a experience.

2009
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 6: I mean, Greg Bdard snapped at Joe Murray on the

2010
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 6: radio and told him I'll let you know when there's

2011
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 6: a quarterback controversy, when it's a quarterback competition. The mere

2012
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 6: suggestion that Bailey Zappy deserved to compete with Mac Jones

2013
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 6: brought you scorn and ridicule all summer long. I agree

2014
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:52,680
Speaker 6: with that, So that part I agree with William and

2015
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 6: that wasn't fair. I would just ask, what have you

2016
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 6: seen from Bailey Zappy that tells you that he should

2017
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 6: be given an opportunity to start going forward?

2018
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he can navigate well.

2019
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 6: The only thing everything kind of illustrated that as bad

2020
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 6: as Mac Jones was, Bailey's happy's numbers are worse.

2021
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 1: But but the only thing I can say is he

2022
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:15,679
Speaker 1: did it in college at a high level. He didn't

2023
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 1: which has produced points and in numbers, and with the

2024
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 1: right coaching, the things that we're seeing that he doesn't

2025
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 1: do well now could be corrected.

2026
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 6: That's but he can make this if that means he's

2027
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:29,679
Speaker 6: going to become a better athlete and be bigger, because

2028
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 6: those are the things that I don't think he has.

2029
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 1: The sizes is an issue, but guys' size have played

2030
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 1: well in the NFL.

2031
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 6: Incredible athletes at that size, Kyler Murray, Russell Wilson when

2032
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 6: he was younger. There's not a lot of like six

2033
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:44,680
Speaker 6: foot guys that don't move well.

2034
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 1: Drew Brees wasn't a great athlete.

2035
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 6: He was a much better athlete than this, and he

2036
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 6: may don't know about that he was, and he may

2037
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 6: have been the best like pure passer, kind of reader

2038
01:27:57,120 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 6: of defenses and anticipation and all that. Actually, yes, did he.

2039
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:05,720
Speaker 6: And I don't know about you, but you just said

2040
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 6: something that made me throw up in my mouth saying

2041
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:09,880
Speaker 6: at a high level Western Kentucky he did it in

2042
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 6: the Big Ten.

2043
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:12,839
Speaker 1: I get it, but but I'm just saying.

2044
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:15,640
Speaker 6: That like he and I also think Brees is one

2045
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 6: of the more overrated guys in the history of the league.

2046
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 6: But that's that's another right quarterback.

2047
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:23,200
Speaker 4: I would just I agree with you, Paul that Bailey

2048
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:25,679
Speaker 4: Zappy was not given a fair chance over the summer

2049
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 4: coming into training camp to compete for the starting job.

2050
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 4: And and that's something that like I'll learn from that, right,

2051
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:34,720
Speaker 4: you know, I learned from Gunner Oschewsky called him not

2052
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 4: an NFL player, and then he goes and is it

2053
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 4: a probow a'll pro punt returner, So like I you know,

2054
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 4: I'll wear it on that one. But then we got

2055
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 4: into training camp and he was so bad in training

2056
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:49,720
Speaker 4: camp they cut him, Like I don't understand. So when

2057
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 4: you say, like you knew what your eyes were telling you,

2058
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 4: so did I. And when I watched these practices.

2059
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,160
Speaker 6: He was horrible the ball.

2060
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 4: He couldn't hit an eight yard slant.

2061
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 1: And you know, and that's the thing, like, if if

2062
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:04,680
Speaker 1: he did have that potential, you don't risk it and

2063
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 1: cut him and make him available to any team. You know,

2064
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 1: you could say, oh, it's a calculated risk. They knew

2065
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 1: he would. Well, then if that's the case, then maybe

2066
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:13,760
Speaker 1: he wasn't that good.

2067
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 6: You know.

2068
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 4: What I'm saying if he'll come against him, is that his.

2069
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:20,920
Speaker 1: Own team thought that, you know, they could cut him

2070
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 1: and get him back, or they could cut him and

2071
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:23,800
Speaker 1: they didn't care if he signed with it.

2072
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:26,240
Speaker 4: If he came into those practices and was lighting up

2073
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:29,160
Speaker 4: training camp practice and then playing well in the games

2074
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 4: and all that kind of stuff, I would have said, yeah,

2075
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 4: they need to start to give Zapi a couple of

2076
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 4: looks here with the first team and some more reps

2077
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:38,479
Speaker 4: and things like that. But every single rep that he

2078
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 4: got he was bad with it.

2079
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that's what this is where I defend Badard.

2080
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:44,519
Speaker 1: You know, when they asked him, you know, is there

2081
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 1: a quarterback competition at that time?

2082
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 6: There wasn't, But you're missing knowing about it.

2083
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:51,800
Speaker 1: I know, I know. Let me finish. At that time,

2084
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 1: it's a fact that there wasn't a competition. It was

2085
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 1: Matt If the question was should there be one, then

2086
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 1: to be so definitive the way badd was kind of dumb.

2087
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:05,000
Speaker 1: But that's a different question than is their one.

2088
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:07,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, I totally agree with the way you just said that.

2089
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:11,280
Speaker 6: But where I'm defending William in Florida, who had the

2090
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:16,360
Speaker 6: original comment, He's right that it didn't matter if you

2091
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:21,400
Speaker 6: thought there was there should have been. If you, in

2092
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 6: any way dared to compare the two, you were mocked,

2093
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:28,599
Speaker 6: and you were mocked pretty much one hundred percent across

2094
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 6: the board. I was mocked when I said, yeah, I

2095
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:36,240
Speaker 6: agree with Evan. I didn't think that Zappi, especially after

2096
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 6: the first week, the first like three four days, I

2097
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 6: thought it was fine, and he went downward at I

2098
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:46,800
Speaker 6: think around the time of the first preseason game he

2099
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 6: really tailed off. He had a bad camp. I just

2100
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:53,160
Speaker 6: didn't think there was anything that was much different from

2101
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 6: what matten. The offense looked atrocious all summer, and when

2102
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 6: it looked that way the year before, we just blamed

2103
01:31:00,439 --> 01:31:04,080
Speaker 6: it all on Patricia. Somehow everybody sat around here, you

2104
01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:06,519
Speaker 6: can see the difference with the offense and there's a

2105
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:09,600
Speaker 6: tempo and listen, I wrote it too. I like I

2106
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:12,680
Speaker 6: I tried to believe that it was different, but my

2107
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 6: eyes were telling me, well, there wasn't much difference between

2108
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:18,679
Speaker 6: the two guys. But if you said that out loud,

2109
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:20,200
Speaker 6: you got mocked.

2110
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 1: I would say, at times a camp, the offense did

2111
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:24,800
Speaker 1: look better than last year. The problem is when they

2112
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:26,519
Speaker 1: got into the games, they couldn't do anything.

2113
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 4: I think it definitely looked better.

2114
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:29,519
Speaker 7: Yeah, in Green Bay it looked better, and I mean

2115
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 7: they had some fairness to me in Greenville. Yeah, But

2116
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 7: I think I'd feel better about Zappi if it was

2117
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:37,560
Speaker 7: kind of the inverse, because right now it feels like

2118
01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 7: it feeds right into what he does well. And you know,

2119
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:41,160
Speaker 7: it's kind of like Evan said, like the gun slinger

2120
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:42,840
Speaker 7: thing and the protection breaks down and that's when he

2121
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:45,679
Speaker 7: make plays. I'd feel better if he was just executing

2122
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:48,080
Speaker 7: the plays in rhythm of the offense, kitting the open

2123
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 7: guys and look, we don't have any big plays.

2124
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:52,040
Speaker 3: We don't have any Okay, those will come, but he

2125
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:53,680
Speaker 3: knows how to read the defense and he knows what

2126
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:54,559
Speaker 3: he's doing in this offense.

2127
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:56,840
Speaker 4: If he was doing that, then he would definitely have

2128
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:59,519
Speaker 4: a case to be starting quarterback in the league. If

2129
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:02,599
Speaker 4: he was playing instructure and you know the short throws

2130
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:04,720
Speaker 4: that I keep bringing up, if he was hitting those

2131
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:07,120
Speaker 4: types of plays, the layups that are presented to you

2132
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:07,439
Speaker 4: by the.

2133
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 6: Append if he was doing that, they would get more

2134
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 6: than two hundred and eighty yards of offense every week, right,

2135
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:16,360
Speaker 6: and they would certainly score more points than they've scored

2136
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:19,320
Speaker 6: every week. I'm gonna repeat this story. I'm pretty sure

2137
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:22,760
Speaker 6: I got a tweet from somebody who said, if he

2138
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 6: had played in the Colts game, the Giants game, and

2139
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:27,920
Speaker 6: the Chargers game, they'd have three more wins.

2140
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:29,600
Speaker 4: Well, he played in the Chargers Oh did he?

2141
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:31,519
Speaker 6: And how many points did he score in that one?

2142
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:36,120
Speaker 6: Like this is what you're dealing with with revisionist history,

2143
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:39,200
Speaker 6: and now it's going the other way. In the summer,

2144
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:41,320
Speaker 6: it was like, no, Mac is better. Mac is better.

2145
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 6: Mac is so much better. There's no difference, there's no

2146
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 6: comparison between the skills. It's Mac. It's Mac, and you

2147
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:50,320
Speaker 6: were laughed at. Now Mac shouldn't even ever looked at

2148
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:52,600
Speaker 6: an NFL field and Bailey's appy, He's given him all

2149
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:55,400
Speaker 6: these different opportunities and he's stowed it. I totally agree

2150
01:32:55,439 --> 01:32:59,600
Speaker 6: with Mike and Evan. Sunday night, he threw four or

2151
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:02,679
Speaker 6: five balls up and every one of them got caught

2152
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 6: by his guy. The difference is the other team caught

2153
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 6: him in some of those other games, like against the Giants.

2154
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:12,080
Speaker 6: But if he threw he threw him up for grabs

2155
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 6: against the Giants and the Giants caught him that day.

2156
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 1: But if you tell me that the more Bailey plays

2157
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:20,280
Speaker 1: is better he'll get, he'll improve. Like, I'm like, you know,

2158
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm not closing my mind to that.

2159
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:23,799
Speaker 3: Well, at least it's been entertaining.

2160
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:27,080
Speaker 6: I I kind of am, because I just don't see.

2161
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:32,640
Speaker 4: I can't anything anymore because every time I get on

2162
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 4: the one track mind thing, I'm I'm proven wrong.

2163
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:36,360
Speaker 6: So I keep your mind closed.

2164
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:40,240
Speaker 4: But I just don't with Bailey Zappy. I just I

2165
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 4: see a lot of the playground stuff, a lot of

2166
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:46,280
Speaker 4: the ability to move around the pocket off platform, and

2167
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 4: like to add that kind of element to an offense

2168
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 4: that needs it right now. But moving forward, you can't.

2169
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:54,360
Speaker 1: B at the line. I mean again, we're back, We're

2170
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:58,559
Speaker 1: down to Vederian low. Because you know Trent Brown, Yeah,

2171
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 1: it was that in and out of the game again.

2172
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 22: You know.

2173
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:03,640
Speaker 3: That's not I mean to change the subject, but can

2174
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:04,519
Speaker 3: I see a question about Mac?

2175
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:06,439
Speaker 7: And you guys tell me if I'm being stupid, But like,

2176
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 7: is it weird to you guys that like when Bailey

2177
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 7: Zappy runs out at the beginning of the game, it's

2178
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:12,599
Speaker 7: him and the new guy when he's on the sideline

2179
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:15,439
Speaker 7: reviewing paper, you know, reviewing plays. Mac is nowhere to

2180
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:18,360
Speaker 7: be found. I know Bill O'Brien was asked about it today.

2181
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:20,400
Speaker 7: You see some sideline shots in MAC.

2182
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:23,080
Speaker 3: I just is that weird to you? Like, I don't know.

2183
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:24,680
Speaker 7: I just I just think, you know, and I think

2184
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:26,640
Speaker 7: it Drew Bledsoe and the way that he handled being

2185
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 7: a backup and the support that he gave, And I

2186
01:34:28,479 --> 01:34:30,320
Speaker 7: just I don't see any of those things out of Mac.

2187
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:31,759
Speaker 3: It strikes me a little bit strange.

2188
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:34,120
Speaker 6: I may I don't know what to make of it.

2189
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:36,400
Speaker 6: I don't know what it means. Like Fred always says,

2190
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 6: what do you think that means? I have no idea.

2191
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:40,120
Speaker 1: Well, Brian said, handling it really well.

2192
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:42,639
Speaker 6: I've noticed it. I've noticed it every week when we're

2193
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 6: on road games and we get our shots in here.

2194
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:48,439
Speaker 6: Zaby comes out and you know, one week it's cunning him,

2195
01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:50,840
Speaker 6: one week it's a little great. Now it's like Nathan

2196
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 6: Rourke because evidently we don't care who the backup is,

2197
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:58,400
Speaker 6: but we don't ever see Mac Jones. No, Mac was

2198
01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:00,559
Speaker 6: making like one hitd he catches in the pre Yeah

2199
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:02,400
Speaker 6: this week with somebody around, Yeah.

2200
01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:04,920
Speaker 4: He doesn't. He hasn't been coming out for T shirt

2201
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:07,760
Speaker 4: warm ups either. I think he did one.

2202
01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:10,559
Speaker 6: I don't know what it means, if it means anything,

2203
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 6: but I have noticed.

2204
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:13,479
Speaker 4: I think in Pittsburgh he was out there, but he

2205
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 4: wasn't out there this past week. And I did notice

2206
01:35:16,040 --> 01:35:19,479
Speaker 4: that because it's you know they do they run rests

2207
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:22,080
Speaker 4: against air obviously in T shirt warm ups, and it's

2208
01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 4: Zappi in Rourke, you know, throwing passes instead of Zappi

2209
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:26,679
Speaker 4: and Mac.

2210
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 1: And that's interesting.

2211
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 4: In Rock's the emergency courter, he's not even not even

2212
01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:30,519
Speaker 4: the backup.

2213
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 13: Yeah.

2214
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:32,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, And you just wonder if there's things for Mac that,

2215
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:34,679
Speaker 7: you know, like you could be involved in this process

2216
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:36,479
Speaker 7: when they're reviewing the plays on the sideline, like it

2217
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:38,479
Speaker 7: just it seems like he's withdrawn right now.

2218
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:41,560
Speaker 6: As as a point of comparison, I was watching I

2219
01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:44,800
Speaker 6: watched a good chunk of the Chiefs and Raiders, and

2220
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:47,800
Speaker 6: late in the game, the Chiefs are trying to get

2221
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:51,439
Speaker 6: a first down, and they had a guy who broke

2222
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:55,160
Speaker 6: like three tackles near the Raiders sideline, and there was

2223
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:57,479
Speaker 6: a guy going crazy, and you know, you just sort

2224
01:35:57,520 --> 01:35:58,840
Speaker 6: of you like you're watching the place and you're not

2225
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:01,000
Speaker 6: really seeing exactly who was. And then they showed the

2226
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:04,240
Speaker 6: replay it was Garoppolo. Yeah, he was going out of

2227
01:36:04,280 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 6: his mind, like for the guy who just broke three

2228
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 6: tackles and set up like a second and three when

2229
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:12,080
Speaker 6: they're you know, they need a first down to sort

2230
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:15,519
Speaker 6: of grind the game out. You know, Garoppolo's probably his

2231
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:17,760
Speaker 6: career is probably close to being over at this point

2232
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:24,640
Speaker 6: as a starter. Was that like an unnecessary shot, But

2233
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:27,679
Speaker 6: I mean maybe as a starter, he's probably he's probably

2234
01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:29,320
Speaker 6: gonna be hard pressed to be a starter again.

2235
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:31,760
Speaker 7: And just when he was going crazy and all these

2236
01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 7: things that you know, when Mac was the starter, talking

2237
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:35,400
Speaker 7: about you know, just getting the win is what matters,

2238
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 7: and you know, kind of just preaching to us that

2239
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:39,160
Speaker 7: the team stuff, which you want to believe, but like

2240
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:41,720
Speaker 7: at the same time. It's I mean I was kind

2241
01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:43,800
Speaker 7: of looking on the sideline when when Ryland made the

2242
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:46,160
Speaker 7: kick at the end, just to kind of see Max.

2243
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:48,080
Speaker 3: Couldn't really get a good glimpse of him. But it

2244
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 3: wasn't you know, it wasn't Garoppolo, it wasn't.

2245
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:51,439
Speaker 1: I don't.

2246
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 7: I just it makes me wonder about Max's long term

2247
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:55,320
Speaker 7: future with the team because I feel like if he

2248
01:36:55,439 --> 01:36:58,240
Speaker 7: was invested and he's completely gone, yeah.

2249
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:01,000
Speaker 6: No, well, I mean he's obviously under but he's got

2250
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:01,680
Speaker 6: to go right.

2251
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:03,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is making me.

2252
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 7: I guess I just kept Yeah, I'm like, I mean,

2253
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:08,160
Speaker 7: even Bill O'Brien today's like I still believe in Mac,

2254
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:09,800
Speaker 7: Like will you believe in what for him to be

2255
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:10,720
Speaker 7: a backup in another team?

2256
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:13,040
Speaker 6: But if you were the Patriots, Fred, wouldn't you like

2257
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:15,880
Speaker 6: honor that wish? Yes, wouldn't you want to want to?

2258
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:19,400
Speaker 4: I think both size need to fresh start, clean it out.

2259
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:23,160
Speaker 6: I would be much more. I would have a much

2260
01:37:23,240 --> 01:37:27,280
Speaker 6: easier time going the William route William and Florida saying

2261
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:29,759
Speaker 6: Bailey Zappy deserves a chance to compete for the starting

2262
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:32,560
Speaker 6: job than I would be. Well, Mac Jones should be

2263
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:33,559
Speaker 6: on this team next, right, Like.

2264
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:37,240
Speaker 4: If it's Bailey Zappi and Drake May and Bailey Zappy

2265
01:37:37,479 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 4: gets a chance to maybe start the season so that

2266
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:42,600
Speaker 4: they can break Drake May and then fine. I just

2267
01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:45,479
Speaker 4: I think for people that are like, well why not Zappy,

2268
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:49,000
Speaker 4: I just I would be careful of like getting fooled

2269
01:37:49,120 --> 01:37:51,400
Speaker 4: into thinking that it's more than it actually is. And

2270
01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 4: I put him in the same category as like a

2271
01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:57,400
Speaker 4: Tommy DeVito or a Taylor Heinike, or a Sam Howell

2272
01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:58,920
Speaker 4: or one of these quarterbacks that.

2273
01:37:59,240 --> 01:38:02,000
Speaker 6: If you fool your perfect, perfect comps, if you fool.

2274
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 4: Yourself into thinking that that's the guy, then you're just

2275
01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:07,600
Speaker 4: put kicking the can down the road of the inevitable.

2276
01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:09,240
Speaker 4: And that's how I feel about Bailey, And I.

2277
01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:11,559
Speaker 6: Would even argue, you know, and I think they're all

2278
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:13,840
Speaker 6: good comps. But even with Howell, I think there's a

2279
01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 6: lot more athleticism here, Yeah, a little bit than there

2280
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:16,679
Speaker 6: is with zapp.

2281
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:18,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's he going? Where?

2282
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:23,200
Speaker 4: We're packing Monday? Everybody's got shoots except me. I mean,

2283
01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:24,360
Speaker 4: you can assign yourself to.

2284
01:38:25,200 --> 01:38:30,160
Speaker 1: Spi and Fresno today. Hot Mike became Mike the casual

2285
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:33,160
Speaker 1: fan do so he sits the top our Rushmore next

2286
01:38:33,200 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 1: to Evan Pinpool Bazaar. Bill gave us a big lump

2287
01:38:36,439 --> 01:38:39,519
Speaker 1: of cold with that win. Wolf. Anyway, what range of

2288
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:42,160
Speaker 1: first round picks do the Patriots end up with if

2289
01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:44,280
Speaker 1: they just beat the Jets or if they win both

2290
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:44,920
Speaker 1: remaining games.

2291
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:46,600
Speaker 6: If they win both, they could fall out of the

2292
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:49,320
Speaker 6: top ten, I would think, But it's difficult to say Jets,

2293
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:52,000
Speaker 6: as you know, you're probably looking at five or six.

2294
01:38:52,120 --> 01:38:54,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's difficult to say because of how strength the

2295
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:57,439
Speaker 4: schedule works. You know, it's all seventeen teams you play,

2296
01:38:57,960 --> 01:38:59,680
Speaker 4: or obviously don't play seventeen, but you know what I mean,

2297
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:03,240
Speaker 4: seventeen games that you play. It changes, it's their record

2298
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:06,240
Speaker 4: every single week. It's so it's there's like a million permutations.

2299
01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:08,599
Speaker 4: So trying to guess like where they would be if

2300
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 4: this happened is impossible.

2301
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:13,080
Speaker 6: But I think that there's a lot of five win

2302
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:13,800
Speaker 6: teams right now.

2303
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:16,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say as long as for me, as

2304
01:39:16,439 --> 01:39:19,080
Speaker 4: long as they're picking in the top six picks, I

2305
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:22,360
Speaker 4: feel fine, they're gonna get a great player at the

2306
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:23,280
Speaker 4: top of the draft.

2307
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:31,639
Speaker 6: Because I think you got like the Giants, Tennessee, the Chargers,

2308
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:33,960
Speaker 6: there's a handful of teams that have five, they're five

2309
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:34,680
Speaker 6: and ten right now.

2310
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:38,320
Speaker 1: James Pettigrew, the most interesting Patriots fan in the world,

2311
01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:41,400
Speaker 1: says Bill's restaurant should be called on to next week.

2312
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:43,440
Speaker 1: That's what they say when it's dessert.

2313
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:44,280
Speaker 6: Time instead of the entree.

2314
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:46,400
Speaker 1: Next week, we're onto dessert. Yeah.

2315
01:39:46,439 --> 01:39:49,160
Speaker 4: It's the Giants, the Chargers, and the Titans are five

2316
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:53,000
Speaker 4: and ten. The Bears, the Jets are six and nine. Yeah,

2317
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:53,599
Speaker 4: six and nine.

2318
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 6: So if you if you win the Jets game and

2319
01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:58,040
Speaker 6: you go five, you know, five and twelve, you're you're

2320
01:39:58,120 --> 01:40:01,040
Speaker 6: risk those three teams could go five twelve and then

2321
01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:02,960
Speaker 6: you'd be at the mercy of the strength of schedule. Yeah,

2322
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:03,559
Speaker 6: for all three of them.

2323
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:05,639
Speaker 4: So you're really I think the lowest that you could

2324
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:10,960
Speaker 4: possibly go realistically is probably like seven or eight. You know,

2325
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:13,519
Speaker 4: I don't because the Bears have six wins and so

2326
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:16,160
Speaker 4: do the Jets, and they're eight and nine right now,

2327
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:18,880
Speaker 4: so you're you're only going to be tied with them

2328
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:22,439
Speaker 4: at best case scenario about Arizona, Arizona is at three

2329
01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:25,200
Speaker 4: and twelve. They're at two two, Yeah, So I think

2330
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:28,760
Speaker 4: the lowest that you can probably realistically assume is that

2331
01:40:28,840 --> 01:40:31,560
Speaker 4: they'll they'll be as low as eight, which, again I

2332
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:33,800
Speaker 4: still think you're You're okay.

2333
01:40:34,280 --> 01:40:37,080
Speaker 1: Doug in Connecticut. I can't tell if people honestly see

2334
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:40,000
Speaker 1: Zappi and Mac's equivalent or if they're just so dug

2335
01:40:40,120 --> 01:40:42,639
Speaker 1: in on their opinion of Mac that they just can't adjust.

2336
01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:45,760
Speaker 1: Zappi has more velocity in his throws, has quicker feet

2337
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:48,120
Speaker 1: in the pocket, can throw on the run better than Mac,

2338
01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:51,479
Speaker 1: and has better downfield accuracy. I'm not saying Zappi is

2339
01:40:51,560 --> 01:40:54,439
Speaker 1: QB one going forward, but saying that they're the same

2340
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:55,680
Speaker 1: guy as ludicrous.

2341
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:57,479
Speaker 4: No, we're not saying that they're the same guy. We're

2342
01:40:57,479 --> 01:40:59,920
Speaker 4: saying the production has been marginally the same.

2343
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:03,840
Speaker 6: Correct. And I also think that not all the things

2344
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:05,599
Speaker 6: he just said are true. There's no way you can

2345
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:07,599
Speaker 6: tell me that Zappi throws the ball with more velocity.

2346
01:41:08,040 --> 01:41:09,879
Speaker 6: Neither one of them throw the ball with any velocity.

2347
01:41:10,280 --> 01:41:12,600
Speaker 4: I will say, though, that some of the players that

2348
01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:15,760
Speaker 4: catch passes from these quarterbacks say that that Zappy throws

2349
01:41:15,800 --> 01:41:16,680
Speaker 4: out a little bit more z it.

2350
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:19,120
Speaker 6: I have something on off air about that. Yeah.

2351
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:25,360
Speaker 1: But but but honestly, though, again, a guy from Western Kentucky, right,

2352
01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:29,040
Speaker 1: this is what his sixth game as a starter in

2353
01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:34,160
Speaker 1: the NFL. Yes, okay, can he get better, like you know.

2354
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:37,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, can he get better in terms of the way

2355
01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:40,680
Speaker 6: he reads defenses and whatnot, Yes, of course. Can his

2356
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:41,400
Speaker 6: skills get.

2357
01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:45,800
Speaker 1: Better, but like you know, missing those short passes, yeah,

2358
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:46,880
Speaker 1: that could probably get better.

2359
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:49,120
Speaker 6: At the least of my concern, I just don't see

2360
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:53,080
Speaker 6: an athlete. He's five foot nothing in doesn't run well.

2361
01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:54,880
Speaker 1: I just want to be I just want to be

2362
01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:56,520
Speaker 1: fair about my evaluation.

2363
01:41:57,040 --> 01:42:00,080
Speaker 6: Guy, I'm standing right here, sitting right I know.

2364
01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:02,519
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that the jury's out on him.

2365
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:07,160
Speaker 1: Like again, it's a guy from a lower level school

2366
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:10,439
Speaker 1: who had high high production, who's now in his six

2367
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:13,240
Speaker 1: game as a starter in the NFL, and we're expecting

2368
01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:15,920
Speaker 1: him to be better than the guy who came from

2369
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:20,880
Speaker 1: Alabama won a national title D one And like the

2370
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:23,719
Speaker 1: fact that he's even in the same conversation says something.

2371
01:42:23,840 --> 01:42:26,320
Speaker 6: I think it says something about mac Jones.

2372
01:42:26,120 --> 01:42:28,360
Speaker 4: Maybe, but I think it's a fair point.

2373
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:29,679
Speaker 1: I think he might get better.

2374
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:33,559
Speaker 4: It's a fair point. I just think that watching him play,

2375
01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:37,160
Speaker 4: it's kind of what Due said, and not a lot

2376
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:40,120
Speaker 4: of the big players that they're making are not necessarily

2377
01:42:40,280 --> 01:42:42,479
Speaker 4: within the confines of the offense, or it's like a

2378
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:45,559
Speaker 4: jump ball to Devontae Parker, and those types of things

2379
01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:48,799
Speaker 4: just tend to not be sustainable unless you're Patrick Mahomes

2380
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:50,719
Speaker 4: or Josh Allen and that's just how you play.

2381
01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:52,400
Speaker 6: And maybe he is like that.

2382
01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:55,600
Speaker 4: I just think that he got to, Like, you.

2383
01:42:55,640 --> 01:42:57,880
Speaker 1: Know, Josh Allen, you got to have an amazing arm

2384
01:42:57,960 --> 01:43:01,559
Speaker 1: to be able to live one off platform, you throw

2385
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:04,360
Speaker 1: a ball late across the field and DeVante Parker jumps

2386
01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:04,880
Speaker 1: and catches it.

2387
01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:08,759
Speaker 6: The next week, you roll out off platform toward the sideline,

2388
01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:10,360
Speaker 6: you throw a ball and you throw it right to

2389
01:43:10,360 --> 01:43:14,160
Speaker 6: William Gay. Like that's what happens when you play like that.

2390
01:43:14,439 --> 01:43:15,519
Speaker 1: Like Mahomes did yesterday.

2391
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:19,559
Speaker 6: No, like Zappi and that game. The game that Mahomes

2392
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:22,599
Speaker 6: played yesterday was unequivocally the worst game I've ever seen

2393
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:23,680
Speaker 6: him play. He was out.

2394
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:25,800
Speaker 1: I think he's given up on his team.

2395
01:43:26,120 --> 01:43:28,320
Speaker 6: I think he's I think there's some of that. I

2396
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:31,280
Speaker 6: think he is really really that's side frustrated.

2397
01:43:31,400 --> 01:43:32,720
Speaker 1: Kelsey's getting into it now.

2398
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:34,920
Speaker 6: I think I loved what Andy Reid did, by the way,

2399
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:35,439
Speaker 6: on that play.

2400
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:36,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, he took him out.

2401
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:38,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, like he came. Did you see that they had

2402
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:41,920
Speaker 6: a third down that was failed? Kelsey comes over and

2403
01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:45,600
Speaker 6: they're obviously pissed they're doing nothing offensively. He fires his

2404
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:47,800
Speaker 6: helmet from the sideline into the bench. Well, they had

2405
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:52,080
Speaker 6: a fake punt called that worked. Yeah, And Andy Reid

2406
01:43:52,120 --> 01:43:54,040
Speaker 6: was pissed at Kelsey said no, no, no, that the

2407
01:43:54,120 --> 01:43:56,439
Speaker 6: guy was trying to give him his helmet back. Yeah, no, no, no, no,

2408
01:43:57,760 --> 01:44:00,400
Speaker 6: stay over here. I was like, I think that's perfect. Yeah,

2409
01:44:00,520 --> 01:44:01,519
Speaker 6: no's that's perfect.

2410
01:44:01,560 --> 01:44:01,680
Speaker 15: Now.

2411
01:44:02,439 --> 01:44:04,960
Speaker 6: I mean it lasted a play. You know, we didn't

2412
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:07,200
Speaker 6: we didn't go we didn't go ridiculous and say like,

2413
01:44:07,240 --> 01:44:08,679
Speaker 6: oh no, you've got to set out a whole quarter

2414
01:44:09,200 --> 01:44:09,559
Speaker 6: or whatever.

2415
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:10,000
Speaker 16: It was.

2416
01:44:10,479 --> 01:44:14,760
Speaker 6: It was just one play. But you know, you can

2417
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:17,280
Speaker 6: feel the frustration with those guys, and you can you

2418
01:44:17,320 --> 01:44:19,360
Speaker 6: can see it watching it was it was a pathetically

2419
01:44:19,439 --> 01:44:21,719
Speaker 6: bad offensive performance yesterday.

2420
01:44:22,040 --> 01:44:26,479
Speaker 4: It actually it hurts us nerds because efficiently wise, the

2421
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:30,160
Speaker 4: efficiency wise, they're actually still like a top ten offense

2422
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:33,920
Speaker 4: in DVA and EPA all that stuff. But you just

2423
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:35,880
Speaker 4: watch it and you can just tell that they're not

2424
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:37,240
Speaker 4: a very good offense, right, You.

2425
01:44:37,240 --> 01:44:39,559
Speaker 6: Could tell, like to Fred's point, like he just doesn't

2426
01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:43,400
Speaker 6: trust it like every time Mahomes was dropping back, he's

2427
01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:46,760
Speaker 6: like moving around, like he just looked uncomfortable because first

2428
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:48,360
Speaker 6: thing wasn't there He's moving.

2429
01:44:48,200 --> 01:44:52,280
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's a tough situation over there. Chad and

2430
01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:55,120
Speaker 1: Atlanta just wanted to apologize to Deuce about having to

2431
01:44:55,200 --> 01:44:58,280
Speaker 1: hear us tankers wine all week about falling back in

2432
01:44:58,360 --> 01:45:00,840
Speaker 1: the draft. It's not enough that we haven't had anything

2433
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:03,479
Speaker 1: to be excited about watching this mediocre team play week

2434
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:06,080
Speaker 1: after week. But when we finally had something to be

2435
01:45:06,200 --> 01:45:08,840
Speaker 1: excited for, like a shiny new toy in the form

2436
01:45:08,920 --> 01:45:11,880
Speaker 1: of Caleb Williams of Drake May, it seemingly gets ripped

2437
01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:14,599
Speaker 1: from us for no reason. I'm glad Mike is able

2438
01:45:14,680 --> 01:45:16,760
Speaker 1: to roll over and take it, but some of us

2439
01:45:16,840 --> 01:45:18,760
Speaker 1: aren't able to do that. I'd love to hear his

2440
01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:21,640
Speaker 1: plan for the quarterback position, since he wants all of

2441
01:45:21,720 --> 01:45:22,960
Speaker 1: us to be quiet about it.

2442
01:45:23,120 --> 01:45:26,280
Speaker 4: I understand what he's saying. I missed, huh now, yeah,

2443
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:28,479
Speaker 4: but I understand what the emailer is saying about, Like

2444
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:31,080
Speaker 4: that was your rooting interest this season? You didn't have

2445
01:45:31,160 --> 01:45:33,280
Speaker 4: a rooting interest in the team on the field, so

2446
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:35,600
Speaker 4: your rooting interest was for the draft pick and I

2447
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:39,280
Speaker 4: totally can understand that. I would just say that, don't

2448
01:45:40,120 --> 01:45:42,280
Speaker 4: just like me with Bailey z Appy, don't be so

2449
01:45:42,439 --> 01:45:44,800
Speaker 4: narrow minded that there's only two quarterbacks in this draft.

2450
01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:46,679
Speaker 4: You know that, I think that there are other guys

2451
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:48,920
Speaker 4: that could get you could get excited about, Like I'm

2452
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:50,960
Speaker 4: not going all the way far as like JJ McCarthy,

2453
01:45:51,080 --> 01:45:52,840
Speaker 4: but you know, bo Nix, I think is a guy

2454
01:45:52,840 --> 01:45:55,000
Speaker 4: at the top of the second round that's intriguing. Tools

2455
01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:58,240
Speaker 4: if quinn Ewers from Texas comes out, he's gonna be

2456
01:45:58,280 --> 01:46:00,679
Speaker 4: playing in the playoff on New Year's Day or whenever

2457
01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:03,920
Speaker 4: the freaking playoff is. He's a really talented quarterback that

2458
01:46:03,960 --> 01:46:06,200
Speaker 4: could maybe go late first early second round if he

2459
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:08,840
Speaker 4: comes out. So there's other guys in this class. Panis

2460
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:11,720
Speaker 4: and Daniels are the two big ones. But it's not

2461
01:46:11,960 --> 01:46:14,720
Speaker 4: just it's it doesn't stop at the second overall pick, Like,

2462
01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:16,519
Speaker 4: there's other guys in this class that you can get

2463
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:17,200
Speaker 4: excited about.

2464
01:46:17,439 --> 01:46:20,479
Speaker 6: And again, I think it just gets down to your

2465
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:25,240
Speaker 6: level of frustration over the wind is what you think

2466
01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:27,720
Speaker 6: of Williams and may Right. I think those that think

2467
01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:32,080
Speaker 6: the world of those guys are really disappointed. Others have said, well,

2468
01:46:32,280 --> 01:46:34,519
Speaker 6: Williams have made it good. But there are other good

2469
01:46:34,600 --> 01:46:36,760
Speaker 6: guys too, and I'll be okay if they get any

2470
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:36,960
Speaker 6: of them.

2471
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:39,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the key, Paul. If I really like

2472
01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:43,000
Speaker 1: either one of those guys, I can understand why you're disappointed.

2473
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:45,439
Speaker 6: Right, And I think that's what we mostly heard from. Yeah, yeah,

2474
01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:47,599
Speaker 6: postgame Ben's and Maryland.

2475
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:47,960
Speaker 1: What's up?

2476
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:48,160
Speaker 13: Ben?

2477
01:46:49,479 --> 01:46:49,880
Speaker 10: Hey, y'all.

2478
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:52,559
Speaker 22: I hope you at a good Christmas and good holiday.

2479
01:46:52,680 --> 01:46:56,720
Speaker 22: I haven't caught him since one but memory in my

2480
01:46:57,240 --> 01:47:00,920
Speaker 22: photos today and two years ago today, I was in

2481
01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:03,519
Speaker 22: the hospital. I had some major head surgery and I

2482
01:47:03,720 --> 01:47:05,840
Speaker 22: was in there for over a week, and all I

2483
01:47:05,960 --> 01:47:07,600
Speaker 22: listened to was you guys. I think I ended the

2484
01:47:07,640 --> 01:47:11,200
Speaker 22: week with like eighteen nineteen hours. I actually wouldn't let

2485
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:14,640
Speaker 22: them do surgery unless the doctors are playing.

2486
01:47:14,760 --> 01:47:15,960
Speaker 1: You guys like yet out.

2487
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:21,280
Speaker 10: Yeah, wow, you guys want to blasted?

2488
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:24,000
Speaker 6: I think, what does the doctors think?

2489
01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:24,360
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2490
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:26,040
Speaker 10: Well, actually, I mean.

2491
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:28,040
Speaker 22: I grew up in Boston.

2492
01:47:28,160 --> 01:47:29,040
Speaker 10: Who did my surgery?

2493
01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:29,479
Speaker 1: All right?

2494
01:47:29,640 --> 01:47:34,559
Speaker 23: So he was in a Yeah, I like Patriots.

2495
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:35,559
Speaker 13: Had caps too. It was awesome.

2496
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:37,160
Speaker 21: It's some thing anyway.

2497
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:39,720
Speaker 22: I told myself one day, like I'm going to be

2498
01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:42,040
Speaker 22: what you guys are, and you really inspired me to

2499
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:46,760
Speaker 22: make a website and all this stuff. So anyway, yesterday

2500
01:47:46,840 --> 01:47:48,439
Speaker 22: I got my well.

2501
01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:50,640
Speaker 1: What's your website? Give you you plug your U r L?

2502
01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:51,839
Speaker 1: What's what's your website?

2503
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:53,720
Speaker 23: Name the Patriots Beat?

2504
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:56,400
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm on Twitter too.

2505
01:47:57,040 --> 01:48:00,120
Speaker 22: And actually yesterday I took a bunch of Patriots to

2506
01:48:00,280 --> 01:48:05,200
Speaker 22: porters and compare them to like Christmas characters.

2507
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:05,840
Speaker 10: And he got a lot of love.

2508
01:48:06,040 --> 01:48:08,479
Speaker 1: Okay, check it out. I had you guys in all right,

2509
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:09,400
Speaker 1: Oh nice?

2510
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:11,320
Speaker 6: Hopefully were I hope you were kind Ben?

2511
01:48:11,479 --> 01:48:14,360
Speaker 23: That's great, Ben, Yeah, so definitely check that out.

2512
01:48:14,680 --> 01:48:16,840
Speaker 22: But anyway, I just wanted to say thanks, and you

2513
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:18,760
Speaker 22: guys really inspired me, so I appreciate it.

2514
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:20,800
Speaker 1: All right, Thanks, Thanks, Ben, appreciate the call.

2515
01:48:20,920 --> 01:48:22,040
Speaker 6: Thanks, that's a great what a great call.

2516
01:48:22,360 --> 01:48:23,960
Speaker 1: Just for the I haven at called to twenty one.

2517
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:25,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, where are your Ben? He's like, oh, I've

2518
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:26,120
Speaker 1: been having head.

2519
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:28,160
Speaker 4: Surgeres right, just for the record, he calls him to

2520
01:48:28,280 --> 01:48:30,600
Speaker 4: catch twenty two all the time. Okay, good, So he

2521
01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:33,599
Speaker 4: is around and a good listener. Yeah, I appreciate it, Ben.

2522
01:48:33,840 --> 01:48:35,679
Speaker 6: I think I follow Ben on Twitter.

2523
01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:38,439
Speaker 1: Okay, I know who that is. Hatred's beat. I've seen it.

2524
01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:39,839
Speaker 1: I know who is my timeline?

2525
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:41,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, good stuff.

2526
01:48:42,479 --> 01:48:45,480
Speaker 6: He could be the next Duce. You never know. Evidently

2527
01:48:45,640 --> 01:48:48,000
Speaker 6: Deuce was on the verge of resignation today or what

2528
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:48,559
Speaker 6: did I miss?

2529
01:48:48,720 --> 01:48:48,920
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2530
01:48:49,400 --> 01:48:51,920
Speaker 6: Last week I missed the show when he can't compile

2531
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:54,640
Speaker 6: the statistics of a of a Picks contest, And this

2532
01:48:54,760 --> 01:48:57,080
Speaker 6: week I go off for five minutes to tape a

2533
01:48:57,160 --> 01:49:00,200
Speaker 6: segment and evidently all help broke loose again. Yeah, I

2534
01:49:00,240 --> 01:49:01,280
Speaker 6: don't know what's got tomorrow.

2535
01:49:01,280 --> 01:49:04,160
Speaker 4: I'm gonna you know, you know, Deuce like he wants

2536
01:49:04,240 --> 01:49:06,920
Speaker 4: to be he wants to be positive about the team,

2537
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:09,799
Speaker 4: and you come in and they won a game finally,

2538
01:49:09,880 --> 01:49:11,720
Speaker 4: and then everybody's telling you you're supposed to be mad

2539
01:49:11,800 --> 01:49:13,880
Speaker 4: that they won the game, And that's like telling Deuce

2540
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:15,400
Speaker 4: that Santa Claus isn't really.

2541
01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:19,360
Speaker 1: Hudson's in California. Hey, Hudson, I was.

2542
01:49:19,479 --> 01:49:22,160
Speaker 14: Going good, good good.

2543
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:25,479
Speaker 21: I'm sorry. I'm calling in for the first time because

2544
01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:28,000
Speaker 21: I just I couldn't stand what you guys were talking

2545
01:49:28,040 --> 01:49:28,880
Speaker 21: about all day.

2546
01:49:29,120 --> 01:49:30,600
Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, this Dappy and k.

2547
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:33,600
Speaker 21: Mack stuff, which is beyond irritating.

2548
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:35,640
Speaker 1: I mean, what's irritating about it to you?

2549
01:49:36,680 --> 01:49:40,120
Speaker 21: I mean you're acting like Billy Bailey, Jaffi fucking Doug Flutie.

2550
01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:42,560
Speaker 1: Oh now what you had to swear and ruin it?

2551
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:43,120
Speaker 1: You know?

2552
01:49:44,479 --> 01:49:46,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would have let him go.

2553
01:49:46,240 --> 01:49:48,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't do that encourages others.

2554
01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:52,519
Speaker 4: Also like Doug Fluteie. Is that a compliment like that.

2555
01:49:54,200 --> 01:49:56,840
Speaker 6: A guy who thinks like me, there's this Canadian football legend,

2556
01:49:56,920 --> 01:49:57,519
Speaker 6: Doug Flutie.

2557
01:49:57,560 --> 01:50:00,400
Speaker 1: I think he was saying that Doug flute is good. Yeah.

2558
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:03,240
Speaker 6: Did he watch Doug Flutie in the NFL again?

2559
01:50:03,439 --> 01:50:06,439
Speaker 1: He won some games at Buffalo, So I want that

2560
01:50:06,520 --> 01:50:07,760
Speaker 1: playoff game he should start.

2561
01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:10,240
Speaker 6: I will just say this, you know, in terms of

2562
01:50:10,320 --> 01:50:13,600
Speaker 6: what Hudson was talking about, it kind of lends to

2563
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:17,040
Speaker 6: what my point is, like, if you even dared to

2564
01:50:17,240 --> 01:50:21,280
Speaker 6: suggest that these guys were comparable, it evidently rubbed a

2565
01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:23,400
Speaker 6: lot of people the wrong way, including Hudson.

2566
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:26,080
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna hop in and say one thing about

2567
01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:26,879
Speaker 3: all this, because.

2568
01:50:26,680 --> 01:50:28,360
Speaker 6: How do you know what we've been talking about, because

2569
01:50:28,439 --> 01:50:32,360
Speaker 6: dud you're still talking about absolutely not now.

2570
01:50:33,080 --> 01:50:33,760
Speaker 1: I just felt like.

2571
01:50:35,320 --> 01:50:37,040
Speaker 7: Maybe you guys have been over this, but I just

2572
01:50:37,080 --> 01:50:38,760
Speaker 7: felt like part of it was like it just from

2573
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:41,200
Speaker 7: what we watched, not even performance, just based on reps.

2574
01:50:41,240 --> 01:50:43,280
Speaker 7: It seemed like there was no competition, and so when

2575
01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:45,120
Speaker 7: I was answering that question, that's where it was.

2576
01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:49,240
Speaker 6: But there was no I'm not arguing there was a competition.

2577
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:52,439
Speaker 6: I'm arguing if you said that Dailey Zappi and Mac

2578
01:50:52,520 --> 01:50:57,760
Speaker 6: Jones are similar in talent, you got mocked and you did.

2579
01:50:57,920 --> 01:50:59,479
Speaker 6: And I don't really think there's that much of a

2580
01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:02,080
Speaker 6: difference the two skill sets. Now, I think Mac is

2581
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:04,320
Speaker 6: a little bigger. I think he throws a better ball,

2582
01:51:05,040 --> 01:51:08,479
Speaker 6: but Zappi certainly moves better in his better pocket presence

2583
01:51:08,840 --> 01:51:11,160
Speaker 6: and has an ability to make off platform plays.

2584
01:51:11,320 --> 01:51:14,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that they're significantly different quarterbacks. And I

2585
01:51:14,479 --> 01:51:16,439
Speaker 4: think that's the biggest thing that now we've gotten to

2586
01:51:16,520 --> 01:51:19,040
Speaker 4: watch Bailey Zappi a little bit more that I've come

2587
01:51:19,120 --> 01:51:22,439
Speaker 4: away with And for this offense this year, they need

2588
01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:24,920
Speaker 4: somebody that can move around a little bit because their

2589
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:27,360
Speaker 4: offensive line is terrible right last in the league in

2590
01:51:27,400 --> 01:51:30,040
Speaker 4: pass blocking win rate. They're the worst pass blocking offensive

2591
01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:32,799
Speaker 4: line in the NFL. And if you have a quarterback

2592
01:51:32,840 --> 01:51:35,519
Speaker 4: that's just gonna stand on one spot and not be

2593
01:51:35,600 --> 01:51:37,800
Speaker 4: able to move around, and then also add into the

2594
01:51:37,880 --> 01:51:39,960
Speaker 4: fact that he got rattled by pressure because of how

2595
01:51:40,040 --> 01:51:42,640
Speaker 4: much he faced pressure. Then all of a sudden, you

2596
01:51:42,720 --> 01:51:44,280
Speaker 4: have a guy that can't play in this offense.

2597
01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:47,439
Speaker 6: I'm going to play a little into your wheelhouse right here.

2598
01:51:48,280 --> 01:51:52,360
Speaker 6: If San Francisco were to lose brock Purty, they would

2599
01:51:52,439 --> 01:51:55,200
Speaker 6: much rather have Mac Jones replacing him than Bailey's X.

2600
01:51:55,240 --> 01:51:55,840
Speaker 4: Why is that pop?

2601
01:51:56,840 --> 01:52:00,519
Speaker 6: Because there's everything is perfect around to fight the fact

2602
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:02,920
Speaker 6: that they have a horrifically bad offensive line save for

2603
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:03,599
Speaker 6: the left tackle.

2604
01:52:05,360 --> 01:52:07,400
Speaker 4: How about that game last night? That was a quote

2605
01:52:07,479 --> 01:52:11,000
Speaker 4: quote from Troy A, that's your MVP. Four picks in

2606
01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:12,880
Speaker 4: the biggest game of the year. That's your MVP.

2607
01:52:13,200 --> 01:52:16,599
Speaker 6: He continues to be Andy Hart. Please, I've never suggested

2608
01:52:16,640 --> 01:52:19,320
Speaker 6: this is your champion. I've never suggested that brock Party

2609
01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:19,840
Speaker 6: should be MV.

2610
01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:22,040
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that to you. I'm saying that to

2611
01:52:22,160 --> 01:52:26,439
Speaker 4: everybody that simply song about brock Party. He plays, his

2612
01:52:26,720 --> 01:52:30,040
Speaker 4: plays one good defense, he throws four interceptions, and he

2613
01:52:30,120 --> 01:52:32,479
Speaker 4: looks like an all right, there you go.

2614
01:52:32,680 --> 01:52:34,599
Speaker 6: I thought he I thought he played an awful game

2615
01:52:34,680 --> 01:52:36,960
Speaker 6: last night. I can't. I was I was laughing. I

2616
01:52:37,120 --> 01:52:39,439
Speaker 6: was like laughing at myself. It was so bad. Like

2617
01:52:39,680 --> 01:52:40,800
Speaker 6: even some of the completions.

2618
01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:42,880
Speaker 3: I was like, yes, he'll bounce back like he always does.

2619
01:52:43,200 --> 01:52:46,800
Speaker 1: Franklin and Baltimore writes, and quick question, since when did

2620
01:52:46,840 --> 01:52:50,280
Speaker 1: the Patriots drafting problem become they don't pick high enough

2621
01:52:50,560 --> 01:52:54,320
Speaker 1: and not their talent evaluation stinks. I don't get the

2622
01:52:54,479 --> 01:52:56,080
Speaker 1: ire over potentially losing.

2623
01:52:55,880 --> 01:52:57,800
Speaker 6: Its been they don't pick high enough for twenty years.

2624
01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:00,120
Speaker 1: I don't get the I are over potentially losing a

2625
01:53:00,160 --> 01:53:03,120
Speaker 1: top five pick because it's not like better talent wasn't

2626
01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:07,559
Speaker 1: available when they pick late. From Sony Michelle, Harry Thornton,

2627
01:53:07,680 --> 01:53:10,960
Speaker 1: Worrow Wasser, Yes, a high draft pick does help, but

2628
01:53:11,040 --> 01:53:14,760
Speaker 1: if your talent evaluation is shite, he says, you're still

2629
01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:17,839
Speaker 1: not getting impact players point blank. Get rid of dollartry

2630
01:53:17,960 --> 01:53:21,920
Speaker 1: mindset when it comes to talent evaluation, especially offensively, and

2631
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:24,519
Speaker 1: the rest will follow suit. That goes for drafting and

2632
01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:25,559
Speaker 1: free agent signings.

2633
01:53:25,640 --> 01:53:28,880
Speaker 6: I agree with the premise, but it's different. It's different

2634
01:53:28,920 --> 01:53:29,360
Speaker 6: at the top.

2635
01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:30,760
Speaker 7: Of the draft, and I don't see that the Dollar

2636
01:53:30,840 --> 01:53:32,840
Speaker 7: Store is spending to doing well in the draft. I mean,

2637
01:53:32,920 --> 01:53:36,120
Speaker 7: that's how you are enable yourself to have that spending.

2638
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:36,960
Speaker 3: If that is your philosophy.

2639
01:53:37,040 --> 01:53:40,240
Speaker 7: Those are the contracts that you control, So I agree

2640
01:53:40,280 --> 01:53:42,559
Speaker 7: with the premise, and I think generally they just they

2641
01:53:42,640 --> 01:53:44,240
Speaker 7: need to hit on these draft picks. And like, you know,

2642
01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:47,680
Speaker 7: we can argue about who and where and what, but

2643
01:53:47,800 --> 01:53:50,599
Speaker 7: bottom line is that I would rather have a left

2644
01:53:50,640 --> 01:53:52,600
Speaker 7: tackle than a miss on a quarterback, you know, And

2645
01:53:52,680 --> 01:53:54,439
Speaker 7: that's what I think they need right now.

2646
01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:59,400
Speaker 6: Which would you rather have a quarterback who isn't a

2647
01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:03,960
Speaker 6: home run but he's average or miss on the left tackle?

2648
01:54:05,240 --> 01:54:06,599
Speaker 3: I don't know what you get at. And I probably

2649
01:54:06,640 --> 01:54:07,280
Speaker 3: would still.

2650
01:54:07,080 --> 01:54:09,519
Speaker 6: Because the quarterback. I don't want to miss on anything.

2651
01:54:09,640 --> 01:54:11,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, No, I mean I still would lean towards the

2652
01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:13,760
Speaker 7: quarterback just because of how hard it is to get

2653
01:54:13,800 --> 01:54:14,800
Speaker 7: the quarterback.

2654
01:54:14,600 --> 01:54:18,120
Speaker 6: Like a lot of people would argue, and I don't

2655
01:54:18,160 --> 01:54:20,040
Speaker 6: think this is as true anymore as it used to

2656
01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:24,719
Speaker 6: be before the CBA changed in twenty eleven. But missing

2657
01:54:24,760 --> 01:54:27,519
Speaker 6: on a quarterback hurts more than missing on anything else.

2658
01:54:27,880 --> 01:54:29,160
Speaker 6: I don't think that's true anymore.

2659
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:31,240
Speaker 3: And I think you're like, if you take a guy at.

2660
01:54:31,160 --> 01:54:33,520
Speaker 6: Four and he turns out to be Robert Gallery, I

2661
01:54:33,560 --> 01:54:36,360
Speaker 6: don't feel any better about it if it was Josh Rosen.

2662
01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:38,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, and that but I think that gets back

2663
01:54:38,320 --> 01:54:39,640
Speaker 3: to it likea' the same that you.

2664
01:54:39,960 --> 01:54:42,120
Speaker 6: Were banking on that guy being a really good player

2665
01:54:42,560 --> 01:54:45,000
Speaker 6: and he busted and that stinks to me.

2666
01:54:45,080 --> 01:54:46,640
Speaker 7: It gets back to what I said earlier, just like

2667
01:54:46,680 --> 01:54:48,720
Speaker 7: when you're in these picks, it's almost like you're obligated

2668
01:54:48,840 --> 01:54:50,600
Speaker 7: to take a quarterback. So I don't think anyone you know,

2669
01:54:50,640 --> 01:54:53,760
Speaker 7: would fault them for missing on Drake May at second

2670
01:54:53,840 --> 01:54:55,480
Speaker 7: or third overall, I don't, you know, like it's like, look,

2671
01:54:55,640 --> 01:54:58,480
Speaker 7: that was the guy. But again, like who knows how

2672
01:54:58,520 --> 01:55:00,560
Speaker 7: this is all going to flush out when we to April,

2673
01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:03,360
Speaker 7: because everyone's draft board says exactly the same thing for

2674
01:55:03,400 --> 01:55:05,040
Speaker 7: the top three right now, and that's going to change.

2675
01:55:05,080 --> 01:55:07,240
Speaker 7: Like if there's gonna be a bunch of jockey, there's

2676
01:55:07,240 --> 01:55:09,120
Speaker 7: gonna be a quarterback that all of a sudden, everybody's like.

2677
01:55:09,120 --> 01:55:11,120
Speaker 6: Well, I don't know one of these guys, like what

2678
01:55:11,280 --> 01:55:14,360
Speaker 6: will watch film like a Chris Simms or someone you know.

2679
01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:15,720
Speaker 3: Let me tell you why this is.

2680
01:55:17,560 --> 01:55:20,680
Speaker 6: Someone will have Jayden Daniels is better than Caleb Williams

2681
01:55:20,720 --> 01:55:27,560
Speaker 6: Andre or Michael Pennix. Someone will have one of the

2682
01:55:27,680 --> 01:55:29,560
Speaker 6: other quarterbacks is actually better.

2683
01:55:29,720 --> 01:55:33,320
Speaker 4: And I will say, in this second, I think to

2684
01:55:33,720 --> 01:55:38,080
Speaker 4: Paul's point, that I don't think that the difference between

2685
01:55:38,840 --> 01:55:41,600
Speaker 4: May and Daniels is as big as some other people do.

2686
01:55:42,240 --> 01:55:44,160
Speaker 4: And I think that that's that's a big part of

2687
01:55:44,280 --> 01:55:47,640
Speaker 4: why I feel the way that I feel now. With Daniels,

2688
01:55:47,880 --> 01:55:50,360
Speaker 4: you have to build the offense around him, like and

2689
01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:52,160
Speaker 4: I mean, you have to deal with every quarterback, but

2690
01:55:52,200 --> 01:55:54,440
Speaker 4: the advantage of his right I worry.

2691
01:55:54,200 --> 01:55:57,800
Speaker 6: A little bit about about his size, Like not his height,

2692
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:00,879
Speaker 6: obviously he's tall, but his stature.

2693
01:56:01,040 --> 01:56:04,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's thin, Yeah, Marty and Reno. Honestly, I thought

2694
01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:07,480
Speaker 1: I was listening to Jets postgame show Sunday night with

2695
01:56:07,600 --> 01:56:10,440
Speaker 1: the number of callers upset that the Patriots won. Glad

2696
01:56:10,480 --> 01:56:13,320
Speaker 1: the tone is more reasonable today. Also, looking at the

2697
01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:14,240
Speaker 1: teams at the top.

2698
01:56:14,240 --> 01:56:16,120
Speaker 6: Right now, we're giving you that that was callers.

2699
01:56:16,400 --> 01:56:19,000
Speaker 1: Very very few had a top three or four draft

2700
01:56:19,080 --> 01:56:21,280
Speaker 1: pick that put them up put them there. Yes, San

2701
01:56:21,320 --> 01:56:25,000
Speaker 1: Francisco did draft future Dallas Cowboys backup quarterback at three,

2702
01:56:25,360 --> 01:56:28,040
Speaker 1: but championship teams are built with deep drafts or one

2703
01:56:28,080 --> 01:56:31,840
Speaker 1: time free agent spend like La also agree, Zappi was

2704
01:56:31,960 --> 01:56:34,360
Speaker 1: a fourth string quarterback at best at the start of

2705
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:37,960
Speaker 1: the season, but the kid is resilient coming back after

2706
01:56:38,040 --> 01:56:40,760
Speaker 1: fumbling the first nap. Seems to be something about his character.

2707
01:56:41,400 --> 01:56:44,920
Speaker 1: And he's got Tom Brady eyes who looks confident. Under said,

2708
01:56:44,960 --> 01:56:46,200
Speaker 1: won the championship last year?

2709
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:47,880
Speaker 6: Who won the super Bowl last season?

2710
01:56:47,880 --> 01:56:50,200
Speaker 3: I think it was the shifts to who the Kansas

2711
01:56:50,240 --> 01:56:51,880
Speaker 3: City cheffs correct?

2712
01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:55,760
Speaker 6: But you know, refresh my memory. Where was their quarterbacks selected?

2713
01:56:56,760 --> 01:56:59,560
Speaker 6: Like tenth first first round? The first round?

2714
01:56:59,600 --> 01:56:59,960
Speaker 1: High picked?

2715
01:57:00,120 --> 01:57:03,680
Speaker 4: We Okay, I also just like hate the like the

2716
01:57:03,800 --> 01:57:05,880
Speaker 4: last time I number one pick one a super Bowl

2717
01:57:06,040 --> 01:57:07,280
Speaker 4: is oh no.

2718
01:57:07,320 --> 01:57:09,720
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, god, no, no, that's not it. Argument,

2719
01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:13,680
Speaker 6: that's not it. You have to qualify it because Matthew

2720
01:57:13,680 --> 01:57:15,640
Speaker 6: Stafford just did it like two years, right, but it

2721
01:57:15,760 --> 01:57:20,920
Speaker 6: has to be with his original team. Like, it's about talent, people,

2722
01:57:21,200 --> 01:57:25,160
Speaker 6: you're missing the point. If you can't develop, if you

2723
01:57:25,320 --> 01:57:28,760
Speaker 6: can't develop the talent, you have a problem, regardless of

2724
01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:30,760
Speaker 6: whether or not the guy can play. Like, there's your

2725
01:57:30,840 --> 01:57:34,440
Speaker 6: problem is you can't develop the talent. Detroit failed Matthew staff.

2726
01:57:34,440 --> 01:57:37,040
Speaker 4: Right, there's what fifty four super Bowls? Right, we're on

2727
01:57:37,120 --> 01:57:37,600
Speaker 4: fifty five?

2728
01:57:37,720 --> 01:57:39,800
Speaker 6: Now eight, I think that's like fifty eight?

2729
01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:40,640
Speaker 3: Are we really?

2730
01:57:41,160 --> 01:57:45,800
Speaker 4: God? But so Brad Brady's won seven of them. Right,

2731
01:57:46,080 --> 01:57:48,720
Speaker 4: and and so like Manning one two right. So when

2732
01:57:48,720 --> 01:57:50,960
Speaker 4: you really start to stack it together, there's like forty

2733
01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:53,080
Speaker 4: quarterbacks or something like that in the history of the

2734
01:57:53,200 --> 01:57:55,440
Speaker 4: NFL that have won a Super Bowl. But the only

2735
01:57:55,520 --> 01:57:57,800
Speaker 4: thing that matters is if the first overall pick one is.

2736
01:57:57,800 --> 01:58:00,520
Speaker 6: Super Bowl like it just but what I'm saying, like,

2737
01:58:00,560 --> 01:58:03,320
Speaker 6: you have to qualify it, yeah, because because it doesn't

2738
01:58:03,320 --> 01:58:06,680
Speaker 6: fit your narrative. And I'm not suggesting that every number

2739
01:58:06,760 --> 01:58:08,520
Speaker 6: one overall, like it doesn't have to be a number

2740
01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:12,200
Speaker 6: one overall pick, but they're all first round picks. There's

2741
01:58:12,320 --> 01:58:15,840
Speaker 6: like twenty I think twenty one out of the thirty

2742
01:58:15,880 --> 01:58:18,520
Speaker 6: two teams right now have a starting quarterback in the

2743
01:58:18,760 --> 01:58:21,440
Speaker 6: that was drafted in the first round. Like and I'm

2744
01:58:21,480 --> 01:58:23,640
Speaker 6: talking about number again. I think it's twenty one or

2745
01:58:23,680 --> 01:58:24,920
Speaker 6: twenty two out of the thirty two.

2746
01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:27,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean look at all all the good quarterbacks

2747
01:58:27,360 --> 01:58:29,280
Speaker 1: right now, and all of them, but most of them

2748
01:58:29,280 --> 01:58:31,480
Speaker 1: were high. I mean, Purdy is a good one.

2749
01:58:32,160 --> 01:58:35,600
Speaker 6: No, no, only kidding, but that's but like is Russell Wilson,

2750
01:58:35,720 --> 01:58:39,080
Speaker 6: Dak Prescott, brock Purty, like they were definitely outliers. And

2751
01:58:39,240 --> 01:58:42,080
Speaker 6: Jalen Hurts was a second rounder yeah, but I think that.

2752
01:58:42,160 --> 01:58:44,320
Speaker 4: That's like what you're looking at if you're the Patriots,

2753
01:58:44,440 --> 01:58:46,640
Speaker 4: is like if you're not going to get the quarterback

2754
01:58:46,680 --> 01:58:48,400
Speaker 4: at the top of the draft because you felt too far,

2755
01:58:48,560 --> 01:58:51,080
Speaker 4: Like who's the Jalen Hurts of this draft? Who is

2756
01:58:51,160 --> 01:58:53,160
Speaker 4: the Dak Prescott of this draft? Not the brock party,

2757
01:58:53,240 --> 01:58:56,000
Speaker 4: Like you're not talking about drafting the guy with mister irrelevant,

2758
01:58:56,040 --> 01:58:58,480
Speaker 4: but like, who's the guy in on Day two of

2759
01:58:58,560 --> 01:59:02,240
Speaker 4: this draft, top of this second round player trace?

2760
01:59:02,360 --> 01:59:04,360
Speaker 1: But now they think he's going to be in the first.

2761
01:59:04,200 --> 01:59:07,000
Speaker 4: Round, right, Yeah, it depends on his medicals, Like that's

2762
01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:08,080
Speaker 4: gonna be the big thing for him.

2763
01:59:08,160 --> 01:59:11,360
Speaker 6: And there's fourteen playoff teams right now, you know as

2764
01:59:11,440 --> 01:59:14,960
Speaker 6: of today, and ten of those have a first round picks.

2765
01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:16,720
Speaker 3: Oh that's let's let's get out in front of this.

2766
01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:19,520
Speaker 3: Though it's gonna be at the combine they're gonna say

2767
01:59:19,920 --> 01:59:23,160
Speaker 3: Penix not looking good.

2768
01:59:23,280 --> 01:59:26,160
Speaker 6: A couple more calls, you guys are gonna start spreading.

2769
01:59:26,320 --> 01:59:27,640
Speaker 3: No, but that's what I'm sure will come out.

2770
01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:28,920
Speaker 4: He does have badnee.

2771
01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:30,440
Speaker 6: No, I know, but I thought you wanted to maybe

2772
01:59:30,440 --> 01:59:31,520
Speaker 6: see if you could squeez him to.

2773
01:59:31,480 --> 01:59:33,280
Speaker 3: The But when the medicals come out, but that's I

2774
01:59:33,320 --> 01:59:33,520
Speaker 3: mean that.

2775
01:59:33,600 --> 01:59:35,120
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know if he's pretty good at

2776
01:59:35,120 --> 01:59:37,200
Speaker 6: the Patriots, he's good in the third round.

2777
01:59:37,280 --> 01:59:38,760
Speaker 4: I've talked to five teams. He's off there.

2778
01:59:39,880 --> 01:59:41,680
Speaker 3: The knees are just amazing. We can build a good

2779
01:59:41,680 --> 01:59:42,800
Speaker 3: offensive bone on bone.

2780
01:59:42,840 --> 01:59:44,200
Speaker 6: You could be like that guy in Green Bay if

2781
01:59:44,200 --> 01:59:44,520
Speaker 6: you met with.

2782
01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:51,320
Speaker 1: The Packers, Benson Pittsfield on the line, what's up? Then good?

2783
01:59:52,680 --> 01:59:53,480
Speaker 14: I would just calling.

2784
01:59:53,800 --> 01:59:56,560
Speaker 24: I have an interesting topic. I think about a lot,

2785
01:59:56,920 --> 01:59:59,360
Speaker 24: Like in terms of the draft, I'm, you know, indifferent

2786
01:59:59,400 --> 02:00:02,160
Speaker 24: as to whether not we take a quarterback, like obviously

2787
02:00:02,240 --> 02:00:04,640
Speaker 24: if it works out, it does, Like I kinda just

2788
02:00:04,680 --> 02:00:05,440
Speaker 24: want good players.

2789
02:00:05,480 --> 02:00:07,160
Speaker 6: Like at the end of the day, yeah, I would

2790
02:00:07,200 --> 02:00:07,520
Speaker 6: agree with.

2791
02:00:07,680 --> 02:00:10,400
Speaker 24: The people who are like super insistent on taking a quarterback,

2792
02:00:10,440 --> 02:00:13,440
Speaker 24: which I totally understand. I feel like when it comes

2793
02:00:13,480 --> 02:00:16,200
Speaker 24: to the off season, like I can't imagine like sticking

2794
02:00:16,240 --> 02:00:19,400
Speaker 24: a rookie into what we have now. And like, if

2795
02:00:19,720 --> 02:00:21,600
Speaker 24: we were to draft a quarterback, let's say, you know,

2796
02:00:21,720 --> 02:00:23,880
Speaker 24: one of the top three guys, what are like the

2797
02:00:23,960 --> 02:00:26,280
Speaker 24: off season movies you want to see, like signing you

2798
02:00:26,320 --> 02:00:29,360
Speaker 24: know whatever, freezing receiver, and like who would you want

2799
02:00:29,400 --> 02:00:31,560
Speaker 24: to bring in because obviously like something like that needs

2800
02:00:31,600 --> 02:00:32,000
Speaker 24: to change.

2801
02:00:32,080 --> 02:00:34,880
Speaker 1: Along with the quarterback, I'd like to bring in a

2802
02:00:34,920 --> 02:00:35,800
Speaker 1: bunch of good players.

2803
02:00:36,920 --> 02:00:37,520
Speaker 4: T Higgins.

2804
02:00:37,720 --> 02:00:39,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would feel the same way about that as

2805
02:00:39,400 --> 02:00:41,320
Speaker 6: I do about the draft. I mean, as long as

2806
02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:43,720
Speaker 6: you're getting signing good players, they're going to help your team.

2807
02:00:43,880 --> 02:00:45,600
Speaker 4: I think the hardest part though, is going to it

2808
02:00:45,600 --> 02:00:46,840
Speaker 4: would be the offensive line.

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Speaker 6: There's not a lot of hard to build an offensive line,

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Speaker 6: and free agent you can get one guy, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 6: like like what the Chiefs did with Joe Tooney, like

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Speaker 6: that sort of solidified the line, but usually.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a guard, right, Like, I think

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Speaker 1: we're going to be looking for an on line coach.

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Speaker 4: Too, right, I don't know, Well, he hasn't been that way.

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Speaker 4: I just I I was in favor of them, maybe

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Speaker 4: Rent making a run at Mike McGlinchey, but Mike McGlinchey

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Speaker 4: has been awful for the Broncos, and the Broncos owe

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02:01:13,760 --> 02:01:15,880
Speaker 4: him a lot of money. So you end up paying

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Speaker 4: like tackles like Mike mcglinchy top of the market money

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Speaker 4: to really be like a low level to average starter,

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Speaker 4: which is just what you can't do that.

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Speaker 1: Arthur's in New York will wrap it up with you.

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 23: Hey, has it down, guys. I called him last week

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02:01:32,760 --> 02:01:35,800
Speaker 23: about Jayden Daniels kind of went on a little rant there,

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02:01:35,880 --> 02:01:38,560
Speaker 23: looking like that's a little less likely now that we

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02:01:38,680 --> 02:01:41,880
Speaker 23: took a loss. But my call has nothing to do

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02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:43,720
Speaker 23: with that. I wanted to talk about Mike on Leno.

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Speaker 23: I think I'm kind of tired of seeing guys that

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02:01:48,120 --> 02:01:51,000
Speaker 23: are really good for us just not get resigned, and

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02:01:51,160 --> 02:01:54,640
Speaker 23: instead of give money to guys that performed elsewhere like

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02:01:54,720 --> 02:01:57,160
Speaker 23: Agalar and just overpay those guys, we need to pay

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Speaker 23: our own guys. I mean, the last guards flash often

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02:02:00,080 --> 02:02:02,160
Speaker 23: the big offensive lineman that left him free agency all

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02:02:02,200 --> 02:02:04,520
Speaker 23: won Super Bowl. Shaq Mason won a Super Bowl in

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02:02:04,600 --> 02:02:08,200
Speaker 23: Tampa Bay, Joe Tooney won a Super Bowl in Kansas City,

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Speaker 23: and even a guy like Ted Carris, who was kind

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02:02:10,160 --> 02:02:12,800
Speaker 23: of a you know, depth piece for us, really elevated

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Speaker 23: the offensive line.

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Speaker 6: They're absolutely right with all three of those guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So if you had to choose between on when

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02:02:18,720 --> 02:02:21,120
Speaker 1: you or Dougar, you can only resign one.

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02:02:21,160 --> 02:02:22,360
Speaker 12: Who do you do all day?

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02:02:22,440 --> 02:02:24,520
Speaker 23: I mean that's not even a question, because, first of all,

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02:02:24,560 --> 02:02:27,560
Speaker 23: I think Douger's performance this season has dipped as it

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02:02:27,600 --> 02:02:29,200
Speaker 23: has gone on. I think the first eight games of

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02:02:29,240 --> 02:02:30,880
Speaker 23: the season he was playing out of much higher level.

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Speaker 14: Two on one was a little bit younger.

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Speaker 23: And three, just if you're going to draft a quarterback

2851
02:02:36,040 --> 02:02:38,400
Speaker 23: early in the draft, you gotta protect him. So on one,

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02:02:38,400 --> 02:02:39,520
Speaker 23: who can be an elite.

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Speaker 6: Guard or even I would have to say, when you

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Speaker 6: to the answer to that only because the offensive line

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02:02:43,760 --> 02:02:46,240
Speaker 6: is such shambles and they have some depth that safety.

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Speaker 4: And he's not a tackle though I know that's an

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02:02:48,440 --> 02:02:49,800
Speaker 4: unpopular opinion.

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Speaker 1: But he can play it in a pinch and there's

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Speaker 1: value to that. Absolutely.

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Speaker 16: What was the Y?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know it's a topic for tomorrow, but.

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks for the call, Arthur, and thanks everyone

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