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Speaker 5: Today.
Speaker 2: It is day one of training camp here at Jiludd
Speaker 2: Stadium in Foxborough. Welcome inside the Patriots Playbook. This is
Speaker 2: our July monthly edition, off season edition of the podcast.
Speaker 2: If you're joining us for the first time, just sampling
Speaker 2: it because you happen to be stumbled here on the
Speaker 2: website trying to find out information on day one of
Speaker 2: training camp. We are here at least, this particular program
Speaker 2: is here monthly during the offseason, and then we go
Speaker 2: weekly during the regular season on Thursdays, and that will
Speaker 2: start in about five weeks, right, Matt, I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: about five weeks from now we'll get that, we'll get
Speaker 2: the regular season. I know, we have one more off
Speaker 2: season show to get to, which we will do on
Speaker 2: the last day of August, right as preseason has ended up,
Speaker 2: and they'll be right about the time that the Patriots
Speaker 2: will be wrapping up the final fifty three man roster.
Speaker 2: There is a long way to go between now and then.
Speaker 2: What's today today is July the what twenty seventh, twenty sixth, right, Okay,
Speaker 2: got it? I you know, I'm lucky if I know
Speaker 2: my name on it, old guy. Yeah, I know, thank you,
Speaker 2: the old guy. So so that's what thirty three days
Speaker 2: or so away. There is so much to do between
Speaker 2: now and then, as I'm sure sure most everybody realizes,
Speaker 2: and trying to form this football team. And today tomorrow, Friday,
Speaker 2: the first three days of training camp here. You probably heard,
Speaker 2: if you were with us at all during the training
Speaker 2: camp coverage earlier this morning here on Patriots dot Com Radio,
Speaker 2: that really the first three days are going to be
Speaker 2: like glorified OTAs glorified you know, walkthroughs, because what they'll
Speaker 2: be doing, and what they are doing is sort of
Speaker 2: recertifying what they learned from the playbook during the spring.
Speaker 2: They will get into meaningful competition next week where the
Speaker 2: guys will be putting on pads or at least shells
Speaker 2: to start. I think they're only allowed one or two,
Speaker 2: I think two full pad practices per week, so they
Speaker 2: probably won't even start ramping that up until either late
Speaker 2: next week, right, Matt, Yeah, sounds about right, doesn't it.
Speaker 2: Although my hip pads on Monday, damn. All right, Well
Speaker 2: that's good, okay, all right, So that's actually a good sign.
Speaker 2: And we will get a chance then to see guys
Speaker 2: competing for jobs, which is I know, that's what everybody
Speaker 2: wants to know. Who's playing well, who's not playing well,
Speaker 2: who's living up to their capabilities, who's disappointing thus far,
Speaker 2: who we expect to come into the fold, who is
Speaker 2: gonna fall short? Do we want to go out and
Speaker 2: you know, try to you know, scan the waiver wire
Speaker 2: for other guys who can't make other teams and pick
Speaker 2: them up. If we think they can fit a particular
Speaker 2: need or roll here in New England. Okay, all of
Speaker 2: that's going to take part, and we'll start in earnest
Speaker 2: really on Monday. These first three days Okay, it's a
Speaker 2: continuation really of what was learned and the things that
Speaker 2: they walked through during OTAs and the spring you know,
Speaker 2: mandatory practices. So that's kind of where we are. These
Speaker 2: guys are going through the paces. But that doesn't mean
Speaker 2: that we don't have things to talk about today. And
Speaker 2: there are some key questions that we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about today that I feel like, Look, if you're from
Speaker 2: around these areas, this area, from New England, if you're
Speaker 2: from you know, Boston, Providence, wherever, you know, somewhere in
Speaker 2: this region, then you're probably paying attention on television or
Speaker 2: radio or even on the you know, in their news
Speaker 2: sites as well as to what really the key items
Speaker 2: to call to talk about are. We will approach approach
Speaker 2: some of those topics here today because largely I think
Speaker 2: a couple of them are worth talking about, and then
Speaker 2: I think a couple of them are just damn silly.
Speaker 2: They're just it's ridiculous to even think of. And I'll
Speaker 2: give you a big one. Okay, the biggest one that
Speaker 2: I think that's just a silly, stupid question that most
Speaker 2: of the media around here is just all, you know,
Speaker 2: a flutter over. Is Bill Belichick really on the hot seat?
Speaker 2: I mean really really? Now, I know, Eldred God bless
Speaker 2: your son. If you're you know, listening, you know, on
Speaker 2: your deliveries in North Carolina. He has never liked to
Speaker 2: build the GM. I don't blame him because clearly in
Speaker 2: the last few years it just hasn't turned out the
Speaker 2: way that anybody would have liked to have had it.
Speaker 2: But if you're gonna ask him to do a mea
Speaker 2: culpa and say, Okay, my bad, sorry, guys, I really
Speaker 2: screwed up on that draft, that's never gonna happen. He
Speaker 2: hasn't even done that as well, for you know, the
Speaker 2: coaches that were clearly a misfit, you know, within this
Speaker 2: organization a year ago. So you're never gonna get that,
Speaker 2: nor should he have to do that. I'm firmly in
Speaker 2: the corner, firmly in the camp of the man has
Speaker 2: enough of a track record where he has earned his
Speaker 2: seniority and he has earned his place, and if he
Speaker 2: wants to be here. He deserves to be here. Now
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that time and time again, if he
Speaker 2: falls short, he deserves to keep the job. Because this
Speaker 2: is after all a business, and missed Craft, John of
Speaker 2: the Craft. They certainly have reiterated that fact as well.
Speaker 2: This is a business. We are in the business of
Speaker 2: winning championships. We're in the business of making money. We're
Speaker 2: in the business of keeping fans happy and keeping them
Speaker 2: coming back to our facility. Why else do we build
Speaker 2: the kind of facilities that we have here, you know,
Speaker 2: in Foxborough. Why else do we compete? We compete to win.
Speaker 2: We got to spend money to win. And yeah, you
Speaker 2: can be critical about the Patriots because they're one of
Speaker 2: the lowest spending teams in the NFL, you absolutely can.
Speaker 2: I'll leave a lot of the spending stuff up to
Speaker 2: our good friend Pat's cap on that one, because as
Speaker 2: you guys know, you know, Miguel probably is up to
Speaker 2: date and right spot on with that stuff as anybody
Speaker 2: in the NFL, for any team, He's right on top
Speaker 2: of it. So I kind of leave that stuff to him.
Speaker 2: We deal more with, you know, the personalities and the
Speaker 2: and the you know, the execution of of you know,
Speaker 2: the play on the field. It's like the old you
Speaker 2: know JK McKay. John McKay, you know, saying when he
Speaker 2: was the coach of the Tampa Bay Bucks when the
Speaker 2: bucks Worth's expansion team in the NFL back in nineteen seventy,
Speaker 2: he said, what did you think? You know, he was
Speaker 2: asked by the media, what do you think of your
Speaker 2: team's execution on the field? He said, I'd be in
Speaker 2: favor of it. You got that, nobody else did. But
Speaker 2: nowadays I'd be in favor of it. Okay, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't think we're gonna have to go that far
Speaker 2: with this team. I really don't. But then again, you know,
Speaker 2: if this team eight and nine a year ago, you know,
Speaker 2: with a little bit you know of a different look,
Speaker 2: certainly coaching wise. You know, guys that you know, you
Speaker 2: can certainly argue that maybe they were a little thinner
Speaker 2: than they should have been. Wanted to be in several
Speaker 2: spots on this team. Okay, it didn't work out, and
Speaker 2: I would tell you that well. And this year, on paper,
Speaker 2: at least, it looks like the schedule is a little
Speaker 2: more difficult than it was last year. I mean, let's
Speaker 2: be honest with each other here, all right, So it
Speaker 2: looks a little more difficult, but that doesn't matter because
Speaker 2: the bottom line is whether or not you win. And
Speaker 2: Craft has already stated, you know, his goal is to
Speaker 2: get into the postseason and win a game in the
Speaker 2: postseason this year, and I would concur as we open
Speaker 2: up training camp and start the twenty twenty three season,
Speaker 2: hopefully it will continue, you know, in the postseason in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, they have one regular season game and
Speaker 2: then you'll get into the postseason thereafter. But for twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three and twenty four, anything short of New England
Speaker 2: making the postseason is going to be called a failure.
Speaker 2: It just will. I could see a scenario where this
Speaker 2: team could go ten and seven, and if they lose
Speaker 2: on a tiebreaker to get into the postseason, all right,
Speaker 2: at least they're back on the plus side of five hundred.
Speaker 2: I could see that. But I'll still be personally disappointed.
Speaker 2: I think most fans would be disappointed. We don't know
Speaker 2: how that part of it's going to play out, because
Speaker 2: that depends on so many other factors, largely the other
Speaker 2: teams in the AFC East and everybody else on New
Speaker 2: England schedule. That's how you determine that. I could see that.
Speaker 2: I don't think that will happen. The AFC East, as
Speaker 2: everybody knows, is sticked, okay, stacked, strongest division in pro football.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's much doubt about it right now.
Speaker 2: I could see a scenario with three of the four
Speaker 2: teams in the postseason. Could definitely see that. I don't
Speaker 2: know with tie breakers and such, it would even be
Speaker 2: figuratively statistically possible if all four teams could get in.
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll let some of our experts work on that
Speaker 2: here during the show and see if that's even possible.
Speaker 2: But I would tell you that I think there's a
Speaker 2: great chance that as long as you finish in third
Speaker 2: in the AFC East, you're probably gonna be in the
Speaker 2: postseason dance somewhere. Probably. But then again, if you're let's
Speaker 2: say a nine to eight team or even a ten
Speaker 2: and seven team, and you're just squeezing into the postseason,
Speaker 2: if you're not healthy enough to play and compete in
Speaker 2: the postseason, what good are you really doing? So my
Speaker 2: major concern here, number one is we open up training camp,
Speaker 2: is what the depth gonna be like on this team
Speaker 2: throughout the course of the year. I want to see
Speaker 2: the guys who we can plug and play. I want
Speaker 2: to see the guys who when someone goes down, who
Speaker 2: steps in for the whole next man up scenario. I
Speaker 2: want to know who the next men are up and
Speaker 2: are they capable of doing it. This is where you
Speaker 2: really find whether or not the Patriots coaching staff and
Speaker 2: scouting staff have done their jobs. Say whatever you want
Speaker 2: about the draft picks or you know in the last
Speaker 2: few years. Clearly right now we'd have to say they
Speaker 2: are trending downward. They haven't done a very good job.
Speaker 2: We know this. That is certainly a valuable criticism. Okay,
Speaker 2: cat argue really against that point, because the proof is
Speaker 2: in the talent on the field. But this past couple
Speaker 2: of years. Last year was better than we thought, even
Speaker 2: though there were a bunch of no names that people
Speaker 2: laughed at, literally laughed at. This year is different. Christian Gonzales.
Speaker 2: Most everybody feels like the Patriots stole in the first round, stole.
Speaker 2: We're gonna find out pretty quick because I fully expect
Speaker 2: Christian Gonzales to win a starting corner job. I do
Speaker 2: I expect it. I think we all feel like that
Speaker 2: and that would be considered I think an upset certainly
Speaker 2: a disappointment if he does not, because if he doesn't, well,
Speaker 2: who the hell else is gonna I am a little surprised,
Speaker 2: although legally speaking, has every right to be here. Jack
Speaker 2: Jones is in the mix after his you know, off
Speaker 2: season difficulties that he's had, you know, and we talked
Speaker 2: about that last month after it happened, So I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna get into the whole you know, Well, why did
Speaker 2: Jack do what he did? Well, no, that's done. He's
Speaker 2: here to practice, he's here to play. Bill obviously did
Speaker 2: a good job. I thought it is opening press conference
Speaker 2: yesterday to sort of diffuse that I can't speak about
Speaker 2: it because it's a legal matter. That's an he took
Speaker 2: the easy out, and I don't blame him because anything
Speaker 2: you do is speculation and it could be wrong. So
Speaker 2: we're not gonna speculate. The fact of the matter is
Speaker 2: that he's gonna be in court. Jack will be his
Speaker 2: next hearing, I believe, August nineteenth. Yeah, August nineteenth, Okay,
Speaker 2: and we'll just wait and see what the court say,
Speaker 2: what the law says, what does attorneys say, if they're
Speaker 2: even gonna you know, be prosecuting. We don't know right now.
Speaker 2: He's a member of the football team, and he's on
Speaker 2: the team and he's practicing, and I fully expect him
Speaker 2: to compete for a corner slot.
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 2: Now, we still have the NFL to decide whether another
Speaker 2: there's any suspension or anything warranted in that particular realm. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's fine, but well we'll just we'll tackle that when
Speaker 2: we get to it. So you know, I've started defense,
Speaker 2: even though I told some guys on a main radio
Speaker 2: station this morning that you know, the three areas that
Speaker 2: I'm going to be looking at is practices, underwear on
Speaker 2: the offensive side of the ball. You know, I want
Speaker 2: to see if Trent Brown remembers how to block somebody.
Speaker 2: I want to see, you know, who emerges at wide
Speaker 2: receiver because I know that there are a lot of
Speaker 2: disappointed people, and I'll throw my hand in the mix.
Speaker 2: I'm disappointed they didn't get DeAndre Hopkins. I don't know
Speaker 2: if he would be a quote unquote cultural fit, but
Speaker 2: I'm still disappointed because I don't think he can have
Speaker 2: enough toys. You know, when I was a kid, I
Speaker 2: didn't have enough toys in my toy chest never did.
Speaker 2: Maybe stronger, maybe tougher, Okay, but he who has the
Speaker 2: most toys at the end wins. And that speaks directly
Speaker 2: to the depth. And so that's what I'm really clued
Speaker 2: in on. I want to see how this team begins
Speaker 2: to build depth. Trent starts on the offensive line. We
Speaker 2: need to make sure mac Jones has his backside protected.
Speaker 2: I want to see, you know, which receivers emerge. You know,
Speaker 2: can Taekwon Thornton actually live up to some of the
Speaker 2: hype from a year ago because he was a speedster
Speaker 2: coming out of Baylor and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: bang he gets hurt. You know, That's that's a big
Speaker 2: spot for me. What do they do about running back
Speaker 2: to the depth? Do they have enough running back the depth?
Speaker 2: I know Time Montgomery started out today, you know, he
Speaker 2: spent last year on injured reserve. Thy Montgomery started out
Speaker 2: today working out with the wide receivers, and I thought
Speaker 2: he'd be a prime candidate to be, you know, the
Speaker 2: third down back. We'll see Pierre Strong He'll also be
Speaker 2: a candidate for third down back. So there are a
Speaker 2: lot of things that need to play out. I think
Speaker 2: that there are going to be some things over these
Speaker 2: first three days that will cause us to be curious.
Speaker 2: Didn't really see a lot today myself, Okay, didn't really
Speaker 2: see a lot today other than I noticed Thime Montgomery
Speaker 2: was actually, you know, working out with the white with
Speaker 2: the white outs today. Other than that, I didn't see
Speaker 2: a whole lot different than I thought was out of
Speaker 2: place or a little bit unusual or it caused me
Speaker 2: to go hmm. So again, this is more of a
Speaker 2: continuation of what happened to the OTAs. So what we're
Speaker 2: gonna do here on the show, and I want you
Speaker 2: to know the phone lines are open and available to
Speaker 2: you because I know you have questions, and we have
Speaker 2: our own panel of experts here who have studied very
Speaker 2: hard over the last couple of days, especially on this
Speaker 2: team that we're going to share. Let you share their
Speaker 2: your opinions with them, and their opinions with you. So
Speaker 2: I want this really to be interactive today. Eight five
Speaker 2: five PATS five hundred is the toll free telephone number again,
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Speaker 2: the old fashioned way, email, web radio at Patriots dot
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Speaker 2: to hit me up on Twitter, you can It's at
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Speaker 2: you want to post it on my Facebook page, we'll
Speaker 2: get to it. John dot rook r Okae on Facebook.
Speaker 2: That's where you can find me on Facebook. So those
Speaker 2: are the ways that you can converse with the show.
Speaker 2: Those of you who have been a part of the
Speaker 2: show for the last seven or eight years. In July,
Speaker 2: know that at this time of year, I also am
Speaker 2: conducting which coincides with the start of Patriot Training Camp.
Speaker 2: I also conduct a summer sports broadcasting you know camp,
Speaker 2: if you will. For lack of a better phrase, it
Speaker 2: sounds like and everybody's coming to camp with their backpacks
Speaker 2: and bringing their sack launches, and not quite like that,
Speaker 2: because I actually I put these I put these young
Speaker 2: people to work. These are all aspiring sports broadcasters. They're
Speaker 2: either juniors or seniors in high school one or the other.
Speaker 2: So they're all getting ready to embark upon their own careers.
Speaker 2: And yeah, when I tell you there are sports nuts,
Speaker 2: there are sports fanatics. I ain't lying.
Speaker 5: Ain't lying.
Speaker 2: You're gonna meet three of them. Now we've got another
Speaker 2: four who are waiting on Team two who will join
Speaker 2: us an hour number two of the program today. But
Speaker 2: you know, first things first, I want to make sure
Speaker 2: that I introduce the guys to you today because we
Speaker 2: have some questions that we're actually going to get to
Speaker 2: and these guys have been doing their their their study
Speaker 2: and like them, I want you to contribute your thoughts
Speaker 2: on the questions that we're posing to you know, our panelists,
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Speaker 2: Patriots Playbook preseason Camp Day number one. All right, I'm
Speaker 2: going to introduce to you Etelina Auben. She is a
Speaker 2: junior from Win Soccer or you live outside of Win Soccer.
Speaker 2: You live? Oh, so you are from Rnthom You just
Speaker 2: go to school one socer, yeah, Nount Saint Cherile, okay,
Speaker 2: all right, and you're an athlete, right, yes, Okay, what
Speaker 2: do you play?
Speaker 6: Well, I dance for my school team and I'm also
Speaker 6: on the basketball team.
Speaker 2: Shoot hoop too, right yep? Multi dimensional? Oh yeah, please
Speaker 2: tell me, okay, please tell me why in particular you
Speaker 2: want to be a sports broadcaster.
Speaker 6: So basically, my dad brought me into it.
Speaker 2: Man, she just it took her all of fifteen seconds.
Speaker 2: She just ran you right under the bus.
Speaker 7: Good.
Speaker 6: He put me into it, and he was we were
Speaker 6: looking at colleges and he kind of just got me
Speaker 6: into it. And I was like, you know what, I
Speaker 6: like sports, and I was like, I like talking to people.
Speaker 6: I like getting out there and getting my thoughts out.
Speaker 6: So I was like, you know, maybe this would be
Speaker 6: a great career idea for me. So I looked for
Speaker 6: the camp and I found it, and so far I'm
Speaker 6: enjoying it very well.
Speaker 2: Okay, I appreciate that, and thank you for your time
Speaker 2: and your effort this week. It's been good thus far.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Nathan Courier. I know you like to go by Nate,
Speaker 2: but Nathan, you're from New.
Speaker 8: Hampshire, right, conquered to be exactly.
Speaker 2: Conquered, all right, and you're a hockey you know, Krishna right, yep?
Speaker 8: Hockey is the main sport for me. I do.
Speaker 9: I'm involved with lacrosse, baseball, softball, and might start getting
Speaker 9: into basketball. But hockey is the main sport that.
Speaker 2: I didn't hear football there anywhere? Did you guys hear football?
Speaker 8: I do not do any broadcasting for football.
Speaker 2: But you're starting today.
Speaker 9: Yes, I am starting today. I've been starting this week actually, okay,
Speaker 9: all right.
Speaker 2: So that's good to know. All right, So we don't
Speaker 2: have any dummies.
Speaker 8: Here, not at all? Okay, football fan, I never I
Speaker 8: like it.
Speaker 2: Never announced got another out of stater with us today,
Speaker 2: Mario Bettingfield. Mario, I'm sorry to say this. Gang. He's
Speaker 2: a Tennessee Titan.
Speaker 10: Mm yeah, twenty eighteen felt good, but hey, the franchise.
Speaker 10: I was just looking up for the Titans. But the
Speaker 10: Patriots got some good, some special going on here too.
Speaker 2: You live in Nashville then, right, yes, okay, all right? Cool?
Speaker 2: And you are a junior or senior? Al right, so
Speaker 2: you're considering colleges, right?
Speaker 10: Yes?
Speaker 2: What what sports do you? Really?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 2: What floats your boat? Mario?
Speaker 10: About everything? Honestly? But if I had to choose, want
Speaker 10: to be football. My primary love since I was a kid.
Speaker 10: Used to go to Tennessee State University games with the
Speaker 10: Tigers or Titans games. Huge Saints fan as well, and
Speaker 10: just been reading about football history for forever.
Speaker 2: Are you big into the Titans?
Speaker 10: I it's a complicated relationship, but I try to stay
Speaker 10: on the stafe side though.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair. Well, you know you're your head coach
Speaker 2: is actually a joint of the Patriots Hall of Fame
Speaker 2: this year, right, Yeah, like Rabel, how do you feel
Speaker 2: about that?
Speaker 10: Oh? Rabel, he's had a he's had he had an
Speaker 10: amazing career with the Patriots. Honestly, he has more touchdowns
Speaker 10: than the whole receiving core for the Titans of twenty two. Yep, right,
Speaker 10: So I mean, Rabel, he cretriut a lot to that
Speaker 10: defense with Tylaw and Teddy Bruski.
Speaker 2: Willie McGinnis back in the day, probably before you were born,
Speaker 2: right early two thousands, when we were born. You were
Speaker 2: born five. Let's see, that's what I mean.
Speaker 10: But let me say my knowledge is older than that.
Speaker 2: I listen, and you have you have actually shown that
Speaker 2: off this week. I mean, guys, on my wrong first
Speaker 2: day of Classic him and he blew us all away.
Speaker 8: Oh my facts Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6: You can ask him anything and he knows it.
Speaker 2: That's what I love about it.
Speaker 9: We were sitting at lunch yesterday and I think we
Speaker 9: asked him the World Series, the World Series of nineteen
Speaker 9: eighty two, and he he knew exactly who it was.
Speaker 2: Is your memory encyclopedic?
Speaker 10: My memory is a cyclopede. I won't say, is Bob
Speaker 10: Costs is by my own team?
Speaker 2: Nice?
Speaker 8: I think it's in there. It's nice. It's deep in there.
Speaker 9: But he knows his sports facts, so so any fans
Speaker 9: of any sport, you can pretty much ask him a
Speaker 9: lot of common questions and he's got something there.
Speaker 2: All right, let's write down the name Mario bedding Field, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I can remember. I want to remember, all right. I
Speaker 2: like that. We're gonna put you on the We'll put
Speaker 2: you on the other spot here, all right. We have questions.
Speaker 2: We have questions that we're going to ask here as
Speaker 2: a show, and our first team are opening hour. These
Speaker 2: guys are going to attack these questions amongst the other items.
Speaker 2: Our our number two team that will be on will
Speaker 2: also consider the same questions. So this will give you
Speaker 2: plenty of time wherever you're listening to consider them for
Speaker 2: yourselves and join the conversation. I want you to engage
Speaker 2: our young people because they work really really hard and
Speaker 2: trying to formulate their own opinions and research why they
Speaker 2: feel the way that they do in these particular issues
Speaker 2: that we're going to be talking about. Because quite frankly,
Speaker 2: I kind of took a look at what our own
Speaker 2: media is talking about, what the NFL has thought about, Like,
Speaker 2: if you're, you know, a frequenter of NFL dot com,
Speaker 2: what are they saying about New England on the national websites,
Speaker 2: on the football websites, and what are our issues? And
Speaker 2: I've already talked about one, so I'm going to start
Speaker 2: with that one that we talked about in the opening
Speaker 2: moments of the show here. And the fact is is
Speaker 2: that Bill Belichick should not, I repeat, should not be
Speaker 2: on the hot seat. I don't think you should be.
Speaker 2: I've been as critical of coach, you know, Bill Belichick,
Speaker 2: I call him BBI, you know both, you know in
Speaker 2: print and you know, certainly here on the show, But
Speaker 2: not disrespectfully, I think that coach has certainly earned his stripes.
Speaker 2: Anytime you've got you know, eight rings to your credit,
Speaker 2: six of them here in New England. You clearly know
Speaker 2: what you're doing. Now, does that excuse his performance over
Speaker 2: the last two or three years. No, because, after all,
Speaker 2: what I said at the top of the program today
Speaker 2: is no, this is a business. We understand it is
Speaker 2: a business. So because it is a business, you're expected
Speaker 2: to perform. Look, if we're players and we fall short
Speaker 2: of it, what happens to us? We get cut? Right, Okay,
Speaker 2: Now the coach has a contract. I think he's allowed,
Speaker 2: you know, a chance to let's just say, rebuild, maybe
Speaker 2: a little interregnum, you know, a little you know, a
Speaker 2: little down period before things come back up. And I
Speaker 2: think most fans expect that this year would be the year,
Speaker 2: especially because you know, they have people like you know,
Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien to come in and actually run the offense
Speaker 2: and coach it up. And they've got a couple of
Speaker 2: new receivers, and they got more depth on the offensive line,
Speaker 2: and maybe they've got more health at running back, and
Speaker 2: maybe they got a couple of other targets at tight end.
Speaker 2: You know that they can actually use to their advantage
Speaker 2: this year. So it to me, I think the Patriots
Speaker 2: are actually going to be a little bit better than
Speaker 2: some expect them to be on offense. Coach Belichick is
Speaker 2: the one that had to put all this in place.
Speaker 2: But if this team falls flat, and I know Vegas,
Speaker 2: Las Vegas has the over under, it's seven and a
Speaker 2: half for these guys in terms of wins for next year. WHOA, Now,
Speaker 2: I think that's low.
Speaker 8: I agree.
Speaker 2: I think that's an easy, absolute easy over for me,
Speaker 2: despite the fact that the AFC East is going to be,
Speaker 2: I believe, the toughest division in which to compete in
Speaker 2: the NFL this year. So what are you guys thoughts
Speaker 2: on Bill Belichick and the fact that our media here
Speaker 2: in New England has really put him on the hot seat.
Speaker 2: Is it deserving and why? Or is it not deserving
Speaker 2: and why? And that's the first question really to what
Speaker 2: I think of you guys who are listening today, Whether
Speaker 2: you're on the pod, you know you certainly send me
Speaker 2: an email or send me a tweet, or if you're
Speaker 2: listening live eight five to five PATS five hundred is
Speaker 2: the toll free number you want to join the conversation.
Speaker 2: Quite frankly, I think it's a bunch of bunk who
Speaker 2: wants to start with that one?
Speaker 9: Ill i''m gonna go right on that. I don't think
Speaker 9: he's anywhere near that hot seat. I mean, in the
Speaker 9: past twenty two years, bringing the Pats to the postseason
Speaker 9: nine times, winning six, I mean, the battles have been incredible.
Speaker 8: We can go back to twenty twenty, twenty twenty one season.
Speaker 9: Made an entrance, and then twenty one twenty two.
Speaker 8: Wasn't There.
Speaker 2: Wasn't really there for anybody that you're coming out of
Speaker 2: the pandemic.
Speaker 9: No, no, that that that you can't really compare that
Speaker 9: to anything. Twenty one twenty two, I mean the tenant
Speaker 9: seven was was a good season for for a COVID year.
Speaker 8: And then let's just talk about last season. Last season
Speaker 8: might have.
Speaker 9: Been we were injury prone, we had some problems. But
Speaker 9: I think there there might there might be some complications
Speaker 9: between being a GM and the head coach in the
Speaker 9: same realm. But I think he shouldn't like like you said,
Speaker 9: the media should not be not even be talking about that.
Speaker 9: That's not our big concern right now. I think Bill
Speaker 9: Belichick has done an amazing job as head coach here.
Speaker 9: He's coaches seemed well. I guess, I guess there's been complications.
Speaker 9: Like you said, you have to perform. If you're not perform,
Speaker 9: you're gonna go. I mean, you have a job to do.
Speaker 2: He really should, I think, hold himself to that standard.
Speaker 2: I think there are some here that follow this team
Speaker 2: fairly closely. I think there are some here that are like, Okay,
Speaker 2: he's just hanging on until he can pass Don Shula's
Speaker 2: record and become the winningest coach of all time. I've
Speaker 2: always believed from day one. I've always believed that he
Speaker 2: wants that record.
Speaker 5: I know he.
Speaker 2: Doesn't really show his ego. He's actually, you know, pretty
Speaker 2: self serving, but I think, deep down, I think he
Speaker 2: realizes the magnitude of what it would mean to pass
Speaker 2: shoeless three forty seven. And that's, you know, by the way,
Speaker 2: you know what something silly?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 2: Don Shula had that. You guys know of the shoelas steakhouses.
Speaker 2: You ever see those? I don't know if you're old
Speaker 2: enough to remember, probably, I think, okay, probably not Shula's had.
Speaker 2: He had steakhouses all over the country right now. They
Speaker 2: were called shoeless three forty seven. I never knew that
Speaker 2: the three forty seven stood for how many wins he
Speaker 2: had in the NFL. Is that, But that's what the
Speaker 2: Steakhousers recalled shoeless three forty seven, Like, why do they
Speaker 2: call it three four to seven? It's because that's how
Speaker 2: many games you won in the NFL. Stupid. Okay, thank
Speaker 2: you very much. I just killed myself. Just rollep roll
Speaker 2: the bus back over me. All right, go ahead, I'm sorry, Elliott.
Speaker 2: What are your what are your thoughts on whether or
Speaker 2: not you think he's on the hot seat.
Speaker 6: I really like some people might not agree with me.
Speaker 6: I think he's definitely sitting on a warmer seat this season,
Speaker 6: and he's been there since like twenty nineteen, since Bretty departed,
Speaker 6: and I think it's it. I don't think it's necessarily
Speaker 6: because of how bad or how good.
Speaker 4: The team's done.
Speaker 6: I think it's he lost a lot of great players
Speaker 6: and he's trying to build back up the team's chemistry,
Speaker 6: chemistry with the rookies and the veterans coming back, So
Speaker 6: it's hard going into a season and then divisions and
Speaker 6: postseason is really up close too, so it's definitely hard
Speaker 6: to bring that chemistry up together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, got you. You know you are one hundred percent
Speaker 2: that his seat is warmer, And I think that's just
Speaker 2: that's just a byproduct of not making the playoffs and
Speaker 2: not having won a game in four or five years.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean sure, Patriots fans have a tendency
Speaker 2: to get anantsy. Patriots fans have a tendency to think, well,
Speaker 2: the playoffs, that's our domain. Fans here are spoiled. You know,
Speaker 2: you're fan grown up with them. The Patriots have been
Speaker 2: good your entire life, so you've known nothing else, So like,
Speaker 2: what the heck is going on here? If they don't
Speaker 2: make the postseason, you know, because we're too used to
Speaker 2: it around here, and I think you know this is
Speaker 2: this is where it requires a little bit of perspective.
Speaker 2: When I first started with the team, my first full
Speaker 2: time year with the team was not as their stadium voice,
Speaker 2: but it was I was I was the sports guy
Speaker 2: at the Channel twelve in Providence, and I did Rod
Speaker 2: Rust's television show. He was the coach back in nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety and the team was one in fifteen.
Speaker 10: It didn't he didn't last that long, by the way.
Speaker 2: No, he was one year at least one years.
Speaker 10: The whole franchise, though.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and it was that way, Yeah, Mario was
Speaker 2: that way. They struggled for years. They you know, they
Speaker 2: they broke through. They got to the super Bowl. They
Speaker 2: got the Super Bowl twenty right, they got steamrolled by
Speaker 2: the Fridge and the Bears, which I'm sure you know,
Speaker 2: I know you don't remember, but I know you know
Speaker 2: about Okay, and then we got back in the super Bowl,
Speaker 2: and I say we the collective, we here back into
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl in ninety five. Played the Packers lost,
Speaker 2: but that was already after Bill Parcells had come in,
Speaker 2: and of course then as people know, it blew up then.
Speaker 2: But that ultimately led the Patriots to bringing in at
Speaker 2: the time it was Pete Carroll and then bringing in
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick and building the franchise to the point where
Speaker 2: it is today.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 6: Like where he's going right now, how it looks he's
Speaker 6: losing a little bit of respect from younger players that
Speaker 6: they're coming in. Yeah, and I think he needs to
Speaker 6: win the playoffs in this year's division or because he's
Speaker 6: just going to keep losing or disrespect from and disrespect
Speaker 6: from all these players.
Speaker 2: Well, I think I think that's a good point because
Speaker 2: to that end, there are those that believe that New
Speaker 2: England is no longer a destination for free agents. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so free agents are like, well, I don't necessarily
Speaker 2: want to go to New England because I'm not sure
Speaker 2: they're going to be able to win. And I think
Speaker 2: that was maybe even a consideration for DeAndre Hopkins in
Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks when he ultimately decided on
Speaker 2: your Titans there Mario so okay, which is okay, that's fine.
Speaker 2: But I think there's still enough respect there for for
Speaker 2: coach Belichick where you know me Juju Smith Schuster has
Speaker 2: said that already. Mike Gisicki has said that some of
Speaker 2: these guys that have come in from other organizations this
Speaker 2: year their first time Patriots this year, they've kind of
Speaker 2: talked a little about that. So all right, but how
Speaker 2: much more has to happen for that to completely wear out?
Speaker 2: And I think we're at that almost that breaking point.
Speaker 2: We're almost there at that breaking point where it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: so his street cred just isn't going to be what
Speaker 2: it used to be because.
Speaker 6: He definitely go on like four years now of not
Speaker 6: great season, right, and.
Speaker 2: So there are people and rightfully so questioning I'm not
Speaker 2: saying we can't question it. I questioned it every day
Speaker 2: when we do this show. Okay, and and listeners to
Speaker 2: this show understand that we talk about that. We you know,
Speaker 2: talk about that with you know, other members of the medium,
Speaker 2: primarily on the show, other members of other organizations and teams,
Speaker 2: so we you know that we bring them into the show,
Speaker 2: you know, when the Patriots are preparing for them, you know,
Speaker 2: the Jets, the Bills, the Dolphins, and the Division. You know,
Speaker 2: during the course of the regular season, we'll have you know,
Speaker 2: media people and broadcasters and writers from all the teams
Speaker 2: around the NFL as the Patriots prepare to play them.
Speaker 2: They'll be a part of this show. And so the
Speaker 2: perspective is different. They all feel like, well, we can
Speaker 2: knock the Patriots off now, and we've been doing it
Speaker 2: for three years. How do the Patriots get back to
Speaker 2: that point of almost invincibility? I see where I kind
Speaker 2: of did that. Okay, So at any rate, do they
Speaker 2: really put Coach Belichick's feet to the fire on this?
Speaker 2: Should we put his feet to the fire? Mario? Is
Speaker 2: he on the hot seat?
Speaker 10: I think he is on a hot seat, actually, I
Speaker 10: think because if you take a look back at two
Speaker 10: stretches in franchise history, the only fan the only rains
Speaker 10: where Craft was under management with Carol and Carol and Parcels. Right, yep,
Speaker 10: So Parcels and Carol both had four to five year stretches, right.
Speaker 10: Carol got fired on an eight on a five hundred
Speaker 10: season and Parcells got fired on a good season where
Speaker 10: he led him to the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and a lot of that is simply because
Speaker 2: you know, he had yeah, and he had a foot
Speaker 2: out the door with the whole Jets thing, which is
Speaker 2: why so many people are poed at him anyway, and
Speaker 2: why he hasn't gotten into the Patriots Hall of Fame
Speaker 2: in my own opinion, because there's still too many people,
Speaker 2: too many fans who you know, hate him for, you know,
Speaker 2: running off for the Jets. And I make this case
Speaker 2: every here. I'm on the Patriots Hall of Fame nominating committee,
Speaker 2: and I'm proud to be on that because only because
Speaker 2: I'm old and been around for a long time. But
Speaker 2: that's part of it, and part of the argument is
Speaker 2: and a lot of the guys in the media say
Speaker 2: that about Bill Parcells. Of that, Look, if we don't
Speaker 2: have Bill Parcells, we don't have the Patriots today. We
Speaker 2: don't probably have the Hall of Fame, we don't have
Speaker 2: a lot today. He started that mindset. He changed the
Speaker 2: way the Patriots not only were perceived by others outside
Speaker 2: of the organization, but he changed us internally. Did he
Speaker 2: leave on unfriendly terms? Yep, he sure did, There's no
Speaker 2: doubt about it. But for the Patriots fans that think, oh,
Speaker 2: he should never be in because of what he did
Speaker 2: to us, get over it. Get over it. If we
Speaker 2: don't have coach Parcells at the time, there's a lot
Speaker 2: that we don't have right now. I would tell you
Speaker 2: that if we don't have Parcels, we might not have
Speaker 2: had Belichick because you know, they were attached at the
Speaker 2: hip at that time.
Speaker 10: Right, Yeah, So.
Speaker 2: Anyway, all right, I got off on the tangent there,
Speaker 2: which is what we do a lot of on this show.
Speaker 2: But the fact of the matter is is that I
Speaker 2: would tend to agree with you. I understand where you know,
Speaker 2: the the sense of urgency really kind of is right.
Speaker 2: I mean, there is if the Patriots go seven to ten,
Speaker 2: eight and nine this year, all bets are off, all
Speaker 2: all bets are off.
Speaker 10: Okay, it's as choice at that point.
Speaker 2: Well, sure it is. And I think maybe you know look,
Speaker 2: he's nineteen wins away from, you know, surpassing Shula. I
Speaker 2: don't think you're gonna get it this year. He could
Speaker 2: certainly get it next year. So I think even Bill
Speaker 2: knows if that's really important to him. And I believe,
Speaker 2: for a long time, my personal belief, I don't have
Speaker 2: the inside knowledge of this, My person belief is that, yeah,
Speaker 2: that matters, especially when coach Schuli before he passed away,
Speaker 2: dissed him and called him Belichiet. You guys probably even
Speaker 2: remember that yourselves. So I think that's stuff. I think
Speaker 2: that hurt. I think all he wanted was to be
Speaker 2: respected by someone like Don Shula, and he didn't do
Speaker 2: that because the Patriots obviously had all these controversial things
Speaker 2: that they you know, went through, you know, in the
Speaker 2: last ten years or so. And I think that hurt.
Speaker 2: And so I think he's like, well, you know, the
Speaker 2: only way that you can shut people up is by
Speaker 2: you know, you know, scoreboard, right, how many did you win?
Speaker 5: Three?
Speaker 2: Forty eight? Scoreboard? Okay, did you win the game?
Speaker 5: Yep?
Speaker 2: Scoreboard doesn't matter how you get there. The only thing
Speaker 2: that people remember, they don't remember how you want. They
Speaker 2: don't remember that you want and that's what I think
Speaker 2: matters to him, And so is he gonna hang around,
Speaker 2: you know, a couple more years to get to that level?
Speaker 2: And if he doesn't have success this year, are they
Speaker 2: gonna allow him to do so? And I thought going
Speaker 2: into the year, yeah, But if they don't become competitive
Speaker 2: this year, if they don't make the playoffs, I have
Speaker 2: to admit for the first time, I'm gonna have to backtrack,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna have to say he's fair game to
Speaker 2: look at this. Is he the best option for New England,
Speaker 2: for the Patriots organization to win going forward? It's a
Speaker 2: fair question. But I don't really degree with I don't
Speaker 2: really agree with degrees of warmness on the seat. I
Speaker 2: think you're either on the hot seat of you're not,
Speaker 2: so it's either blazing on fire or I don't give
Speaker 2: a crap one or the other. And you know, and
Speaker 2: I understand you both think that he's on to a
Speaker 2: varying degree. And at Lina, you said, oh, the seat's
Speaker 2: definitely warm.
Speaker 5: While I would.
Speaker 2: Agree with that, it's certainly not ice cold. But I
Speaker 2: don't think it's even a consideration for the Crafts until
Speaker 2: this year is over. And that's really the bottom line
Speaker 2: where I'm coming from. I think that if this team
Speaker 2: fails to reach the goals that management has set for itself,
Speaker 2: that there will be some introspective thinking and maybe even
Speaker 2: changing in the off season. I would still be honestly surprised.
Speaker 2: I know a couple of our guys and Patriots unfiltered,
Speaker 2: and you know, I think a lot of I think
Speaker 2: I think you would have to take something extraordinary for
Speaker 2: the Patriots to fire him, be extraordinary. If they go
Speaker 2: seven to ten, eight and nine, then you know, do
Speaker 2: I think he'll resign and quit? You know? Well, then
Speaker 2: let's say they go eight to nine again like they
Speaker 2: did last year. That's going to leave him eleven wins short.
Speaker 2: There's no freaking way that's going to happen. He's not
Speaker 2: going to do it. He's going to just, you know,
Speaker 2: put his nose to the grainstone and try to you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: and work this out. He wants to fix the problem
Speaker 2: before he steps out. He has enough personal pride in
Speaker 2: what he does, and through my observations of him over
Speaker 2: his twenty two plus years now that he's been here,
Speaker 2: he this matters. He doesn't want to leave. You know,
Speaker 2: the okay, corral with you know, dead bodies lying around.
Speaker 2: He wants to make sure that everybody's in good work
Speaker 2: in order that this franchise is ready to move forward.
Speaker 2: And I think that's where he and the Craft family
Speaker 2: are on the same page, and I think the Crafts
Speaker 2: will give him every opportunity to fix whatever the issue
Speaker 2: might be. This year will be a good first test
Speaker 2: because you know, his two buddies and Matt Patrician Joe
Speaker 2: Judge were off doing other things. Chris didn't even with
Speaker 2: the team this year. Joe has called the assistant head coach.
Speaker 2: That was one of the titles that he was bestowed
Speaker 2: as the titles came out. You know, actually here online
Speaker 2: on the website a couple of days ago in advance
Speaker 2: of training camp.
Speaker 5: Here.
Speaker 2: But you know, they're not in the same spot that
Speaker 2: you were in a year ago. That's why coach O'Brien
Speaker 2: was brought in because he has an experience here. He
Speaker 2: has experience as a head coach in the league, and
Speaker 2: he has experiences as a good offensive play caller and designer.
Speaker 2: That's why he's here because I think Bill had to
Speaker 2: realize without admitting it, okay, that was not the right
Speaker 2: tact to take. And I think the problem with what
Speaker 2: a lot of people are having is is because there
Speaker 2: are some in the media and there are fans, yes, fans,
Speaker 2: especially when that decision was made a year ago, they're like,
Speaker 2: what is he doing?
Speaker 10: I mean, look at his track record with the Houston Texans,
Speaker 10: Bill Ryan before then. But he I think he changed
Speaker 10: a lot of people's perspective with his offensive play calingy
Speaker 10: in Alabama that brought him back to the Patriots only.
Speaker 2: So there's and and and that's why they feel comfortable
Speaker 2: with him. And Bill knows, Uh that Bill O'Brien wanted
Speaker 2: to get back to the NFL. I think that's been
Speaker 2: a goal of his, you know, since he you know,
Speaker 2: he left h you know, the Texans especially, and then
Speaker 2: he you know, uh tutored you know for a year
Speaker 2: two years under uh you know Nick Samon and Alabama
Speaker 2: because you know, you know, these guys all know each other.
Speaker 2: Alabama obviously, you know, clearly has some of the pre
Speaker 2: eminent talent in all of college football. Uh. You know,
Speaker 2: Mac Jones and Bill O'Brien were like two ships that
Speaker 2: passed in the night. Mack had just graduated when Bill
Speaker 2: O'Brien stepped in, so did they work with each other,
Speaker 2: not directly, but sort of indirectly on a lot of things. Uh,
Speaker 2: And now they got a chance to kind of go
Speaker 2: back together. So I think there's some similar mindset there.
Speaker 2: And what the Patriots want to do anyway, is similar
Speaker 2: to what you know, mac ran in Alabama and what
Speaker 2: Bill has done not only in Alabama, but what he
Speaker 2: did in his time in the NFL before that. So
Speaker 2: I think we feel like there's gonna be some synergy there.
Speaker 2: And I think we all realized that was the biggest
Speaker 2: area of concern going in based on how last season ended.
Speaker 2: So let's give it a chance to work before we
Speaker 2: tear it down and say, oh, this is not gonna work.
Speaker 2: Bill's on the hot seat. He's got to go if
Speaker 2: the Patriots don't win this year. I'm just not that absolute,
Speaker 2: And I think if you really think this thing out,
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody you know reasonably will be that
Speaker 2: absolute because he's so close and the Patriots understand from
Speaker 2: an organizational standpoint, okay, that if he becomes the winningest
Speaker 2: coach of all time, and I believe you or I listen,
Speaker 2: believe me when I tell.
Speaker 8: You this that matters most definitely.
Speaker 2: That matters. I know that doesn't matter to really probably
Speaker 2: anybody outside of the organization because nobody else has a
Speaker 2: chance to even come close to it. No one may
Speaker 2: touch this record again because coaches they just they regurgitate,
Speaker 2: they recycle themselves so often. Now, if you don't win,
Speaker 2: you're down for two or three years, you're out. You
Speaker 2: don't get a chance to pull a Bill Belichick when
Speaker 2: he was at Cleveland. You don't get a chance to
Speaker 2: pull a Bill Belichick and have three four down years
Speaker 2: here in New England, you know, between you know, playoff appearances.
Speaker 2: You don't get a chance to do that because there's
Speaker 2: so much pressure to win. Bill is still in position
Speaker 2: to do that because of his track record and what
Speaker 2: he's done. And by the way, if he actually does
Speaker 2: surpass Shula, and I think he will, that automatically, you know, hey,
Speaker 2: that becomes a New England Patriots record just as well
Speaker 2: as it becomes a Bill Belichick record. Patriots will love
Speaker 2: the winningest coach of all time. I mean, didn't they
Speaker 2: name a trophy after the Green Bay Packers coach? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 2: that's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. Well, you
Speaker 2: have a trophy named after him. Hell, I don't know,
Speaker 2: but I'm just saying that meant something back then, it
Speaker 2: means something today to the history of the league, and
Speaker 2: I think it'll be important for the Patriots, you know,
Speaker 2: to you know, see, if they can't get to that,
Speaker 2: they're gonna try to do the best that they can,
Speaker 2: you know, and fix things along the way. If Bill
Speaker 2: is lacking in any particular area, you know, they keep
Speaker 2: bringing in young people to sort of come in with
Speaker 2: the scouting and remaking, you know, the drafting. And now
Speaker 2: they brought in some energy onto the coaching staff as well,
Speaker 2: and hopefully assisting him in that particular endeavor. Not that
Speaker 2: I think he's incapable. Bill's forgotten more football than any
Speaker 2: of us will ever learn, and I think it'll be
Speaker 2: that way from now until Kingdom come. But every once
Speaker 2: in a while, yeah, you need an assist and I
Speaker 2: think those that are most successful in life understand that
Speaker 2: on occasion you do need help. Okay, I think that
Speaker 2: comes along with the table. All right, let's get onto
Speaker 2: a couple of the subject again. Eight five five Pats
Speaker 2: five hundred, eight five five pats five hundred Web Radio
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Speaker 2: let's start with this team after we've gotten off the
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick hot seat here. So going into training camp,
Speaker 2: what do you feel like the current greatest area of
Speaker 2: need is on the roster. I told you at the
Speaker 2: top of the show that one of the things that
Speaker 2: I want to see first other team is that Trent
Speaker 2: Brown knows how to block. Again, a couple of years ago,
Speaker 2: I thought he did a very very good job. Last year,
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I mean, dude led the league in
Speaker 2: Holtz offensive holds. So I'm just like, Okay, something's got
Speaker 2: to change there, because you know, somebody that six foot five,
Speaker 2: six foot eight, excuse me, in three hundred and sixty
Speaker 2: five bills, no need for him to hold just you know,
Speaker 2: move your feet, get in front of somebody, and you become,
Speaker 2: you know, literally a man mountain. Clearly something that was
Speaker 2: amiss there. So that's to me. I want to keep
Speaker 2: mac Jones's backside healthy so he has time in the
Speaker 2: pocket to be able to find the new targets and
Speaker 2: the old targets that he has had to point toward
Speaker 2: over the last couple of years. And really the pressure's
Speaker 2: on Mac Now, I think, uh, threefold, fivefold over what
Speaker 2: it was a year ago. Because last year was a wash.
Speaker 2: Year two was a wash. I think we know. And
Speaker 2: and it's because you know that, and frankly Bill owns that.
Speaker 2: Coach Belichick owns that he has to because he's the
Speaker 2: one that put the position the Patriots in position to
Speaker 2: fail like they did a year ago. Let's call it
Speaker 2: the way it is. So this year now you got
Speaker 2: to figure out whether or not Mac is your guy
Speaker 2: for the foreseeable future. And you got him, you know,
Speaker 2: this year, next year, under the rookie contract, before year
Speaker 2: five you have an option usually and then boom, you
Speaker 2: have to decide are we keeping him or are we
Speaker 2: gonna go draft somebody else, We're gonna trade for somebody else.
Speaker 2: So you wouldn't generally want to try to stack your
Speaker 2: roster while you have a quarterback whose salary you control. Young,
Speaker 2: talented can compete and be a part of it. I
Speaker 2: don't think there's anybody in their right mind that's going
Speaker 2: to say Mac Jones is the best quarterback in the
Speaker 2: AFC East, not with Aaron Rodgers coming to the fold
Speaker 2: in New York. But can he be competitive? Sure, we can't.
Speaker 2: Part of that is he has to have the time
Speaker 2: to find his targets. Trent Jones is Trent Brown is
Speaker 2: a big part of that. What do you guys thought
Speaker 2: on current greatest area of need on the roster And
Speaker 2: you don't have to agree with me, by the way,
Speaker 2: on the.
Speaker 6: Offensive line, Well, you said earlier I think that they
Speaker 6: needed a bigger, like a new wide receiver, like that's
Speaker 6: the greatest need. And I definitely agree with that that
Speaker 6: last year's they had terrible receivers and mixing in that
Speaker 6: with the new offensive coordinator, you just you need a big,
Speaker 6: new wide receiver to come in and just change that
Speaker 6: look for not only the team, but for Belichick.
Speaker 2: Anyone in particular. It's term of wide receiver.
Speaker 6: I know they had some people going had to head
Speaker 6: for a position battle. Yeah, Taekwon Thornton and Kendrick Bourne,
Speaker 6: so I know they were both.
Speaker 2: It's funny you should bring those two guys up because
Speaker 2: I think those guys are sort of on the ball.
Speaker 2: H I do. I love Kendrick Born. Kendrick was outspoken
Speaker 2: last year thinking that you know, hey, what are these
Speaker 2: guys doing. They're not getting me the ball enough? Right,
Speaker 2: and we talked about on this show months ago. I think,
Speaker 2: at least based on what we've heard from Kendrick in
Speaker 2: the offseason, he's itching to get back out there, yeah,
Speaker 2: and have an opportunity to show what he does. Taekwan
Speaker 2: should too, because in year two, you know, you're supposed
Speaker 2: to make your biggest leap from your rookie year to
Speaker 2: your sophomore year. That shouldn't be your biggest leap, and
Speaker 2: his rookie year was truncated because of injury. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: really expect those guys to try to put pedal to
Speaker 2: metal here in training camp and let's see what they got.
Speaker 6: And I think I think they're both supposed to be
Speaker 6: expected to make that fifty three man roster.
Speaker 2: Do you think they ultimately will?
Speaker 6: I mean, it depends on how they do, but I
Speaker 6: do think that they should be expected to, so they.
Speaker 2: Won't be, you know, one of those guys that they
Speaker 2: just kind of carry hoping that he shows up in
Speaker 2: the regular season.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the next month really is for those two guys.
Speaker 2: You put it out now and play hard now and
Speaker 2: show what you've got now or when it gets to
Speaker 2: be a month from now, right before you know, we
Speaker 2: get to the you know, the the roster deadline, you're out.
Speaker 6: They're definitely gonna push each other for playing time and
Speaker 6: definitely gonna I'll go along with that.
Speaker 2: Nate, what do you think current greatest area of need
Speaker 2: on the roster?
Speaker 8: I think it's definitely the offense. It's somewhere on the offense.
Speaker 9: I think it's either like we've been talking about, wide
Speaker 9: receiver or I think it's quarterback.
Speaker 8: I think Mac Jones.
Speaker 9: We really, we really need to take a hard look
Speaker 9: at our quarterback. Mac has only been here two seasons,
Speaker 9: he's going into his third. He hasn't been pushed by anyone.
Speaker 9: He hasn't really had anyone to look up to. I mean,
Speaker 9: like you said, I think Bill Belichick has kind of
Speaker 9: put us put himself in this position. We no more
Speaker 9: Brady they I think they could have done things to
Speaker 9: keep people that left.
Speaker 8: But let's go back to wide receiver.
Speaker 9: I want I want to talk about Okay, Juju Smith Schuster.
Speaker 9: I think he could be let's let's just not even
Speaker 9: talk about player of need. I think he could be
Speaker 9: a player a position of need and he could be
Speaker 9: one of our key players of the season. He just
Speaker 9: came off one of his best seasons he's played with
Speaker 9: nine hundred and thirty three yards. I mean, Juju, I
Speaker 9: want to see Georgia.
Speaker 2: I want to see Jujo act like a one, even
Speaker 2: if he's physically not a one.
Speaker 9: If that makes sense, I agree, Yeah, it's it's it's
Speaker 9: not not always on the field, off the field, whether
Speaker 9: he's second.
Speaker 8: I thought battling with the White I.
Speaker 2: Thought last year in Kansas City, he really kind of
Speaker 2: picked up where Tyreek Hill had left off when he
Speaker 2: left from Miami.
Speaker 10: And I thought, you feel like he stepped out of
Speaker 10: his shell of Pittsburgh right there, Yeah, under the Tomlin
Speaker 10: Yeah organization.
Speaker 2: I would agree with that he stepped out of it
Speaker 2: because he knew there was a need in Kansas City,
Speaker 2: right he knew he had something one more Tyreek, So
Speaker 2: who are they gonna tiget? You know, who's Mahome's gonna
Speaker 2: go to? And I thought he stepped up and did well. Now, again,
Speaker 2: injuries are always an issue and they always will be,
Speaker 2: especially we're now a seventeen game schedule. But I'd like
Speaker 2: to see him assume a leadership role on the team.
Speaker 2: On the team, you know, on the field as well
Speaker 2: as in the locker room. Because they're gonna be a
Speaker 2: little bit of a void there. And Frank, you know
Speaker 2: without you know a guy like Devin mccorty who retired,
Speaker 2: so I would tell you that. To me, I think
Speaker 2: that's almost as big an area of need is finding
Speaker 2: someone to assume a leadership position role again as well
Speaker 2: as finding somebody who can actually, you know, step up
Speaker 2: on the field and do it. I think that's big
Speaker 2: because that's one of those things that sort of leads
Speaker 2: to the and our fans know this leads to the
Speaker 2: Patriot way, you know, where they let the veterans do
Speaker 2: most of the talking and the lot of locker room
Speaker 2: and everybody else follows. I mean, you guys are on
Speaker 2: athletic teams. You've been around on athletic teams long enough,
Speaker 2: you know this is why you have team captains. This
Speaker 2: is why you have leaders to set the tempo for
Speaker 2: everybody else to follow. You follow, you know, the leaders,
Speaker 2: and as they try to lead by example, right, and
Speaker 2: boy does that really come into play. I think when
Speaker 2: it comes to crunch time in the NFL.
Speaker 9: I I I really think that we should we should
Speaker 9: be seeing what his numbers last year he was in
Speaker 9: sixteen games, he didn't get injured. He held himself really
Speaker 9: well in all of his case games. Coming from Kansas City,
Speaker 9: I think here in here in Foxborough, we really need that.
Speaker 9: Like you said, we need a leader. We need someone
Speaker 9: leading off the field, on the field, in the locker room,
Speaker 9: at practice, not even at practice.
Speaker 8: We need we need a leader.
Speaker 9: We need someone who can lead this team and push
Speaker 9: players to be their best and even better.
Speaker 8: If we're not pushing our players, what are we doing.
Speaker 10: I feel like to your point date that lead that
Speaker 10: leadership is a learn trade, not like it's not something
Speaker 10: that's given to you based off It's not some Yeah,
Speaker 10: it's not something that's given to you based off of
Speaker 10: just you're there for multiple years and multiple experiences, right, Tru.
Speaker 10: That's that's why I believe that Juju Smith Schuster is
Speaker 10: gonna strug He's gonna struggle with his leadership leadership roles.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 10: He's he's not a Juwan Binley, of course, trying to
Speaker 10: having the years under the Patriots Belchi Belichick knows what
Speaker 10: to expect from him out of captaincy. Right, this is
Speaker 10: something that Ju is gonna have to learn, and he
Speaker 10: has contact in NFL that can make that happen to
Speaker 10: just give him advice on that. I mean he's seen it.
Speaker 10: He's been with Ben Rollisberger, right, So I believe to
Speaker 10: that point that Jujus Smith Schuster is gonna learn, I
Speaker 10: believe this season how to be a good captain and
Speaker 10: speak up and use his leadership skills to provide a
Speaker 10: lot of chemistry and great field to this organization.
Speaker 2: For that would agree with him that one. What's your
Speaker 2: current greatest theory of need Mario.
Speaker 10: Grace area need it sides with off the line? I
Speaker 10: think I agree with you. John trim Brown is the
Speaker 10: only safe position for me at the tackle spot. That
Speaker 10: other tackle spot is very much up for debate. I
Speaker 10: think Riley Reeve has a lot of experience and he
Speaker 10: also has a great he has He has great work
Speaker 10: on the edge of course protecting it.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 10: Conor McDermott is someone else to also look out for.
Speaker 10: He's a pretty he's pretty versatile. You can use him
Speaker 10: in most spots on the field as off as an
Speaker 10: off the line member. Mike Amolu Kid is a decent
Speaker 10: swing as well.
Speaker 8: He can be very.
Speaker 10: I think at times he can be very spotty, but
Speaker 10: he has a good track record Okay, all.
Speaker 2: Right, very good. Let's do uh one more here because
Speaker 2: before we you know, we wrap up and get to
Speaker 2: our two of the program. I'm kind of curious what
Speaker 2: you guys look at as this team as a whole.
Speaker 2: All right, So what I'm i'm and I ask you
Speaker 2: to do here is put on your thinking caps, based
Speaker 2: on your research, based on your fandom, based on your
Speaker 2: knowledge whatever. And I want you to tell me where
Speaker 2: you think the team is going to be at the
Speaker 2: end of the season. What's the one loss record going
Speaker 2: to be? Are you you know, have you looked at
Speaker 2: the schedule? You know where the tough parts are going
Speaker 2: to come from. You have to take injury into consideration. Uh,
Speaker 2: you got to consider you know, the overall competition, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, for positional battles and and for uh you know,
Speaker 2: within certainly within the divisions that you got to play
Speaker 2: each other team in the afcast twice this year. And
Speaker 2: then ultimately, based on the record that you think this
Speaker 2: team will finish with, will they make the postseason?
Speaker 10: I'll go first. I think they're gonna be seven and ten.
Speaker 10: I don't think they make the playoffs. The team has
Speaker 10: a few pieces or they need a few more pieces
Speaker 10: on defense. They haven't fully matured, to say, in the
Speaker 10: organanization yet as a team, I think the defense has
Speaker 10: mastered your scheme and is ready to contend. I think
Speaker 10: the offense doesn't have the firepower consistently to be a
Speaker 10: double digit win season this year, or a postseason team
Speaker 10: at that maybe at the seventh spot, Okay. I believe
Speaker 10: they're a postseason contender about a year or two with
Speaker 10: a solid silence upgrade this year.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so you don't think they're gonna get there? No, Okay,
Speaker 2: so that's fair.
Speaker 6: I agree with Mario two.
Speaker 8: I don't really I do.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think honestly the Patriots are gonna go eight and
Speaker 6: nine again, and they're not gonna with no playoffs, and
Speaker 6: I don't I don't see when division does come around
Speaker 6: that they'll, Like I said before, they're gonna have a
Speaker 6: good enough chemistry to pull something off, and like I
Speaker 6: and I think that if they do, it will be
Speaker 6: a shock to all of us if they do so.
Speaker 6: I definitely that's how I look at it. I just
Speaker 6: don't think based off these new players and based off
Speaker 6: their defense and all these things contributed into one, I
Speaker 6: really don't think they're gonna make it pass.
Speaker 2: We got doubting Thomas's here in the room. I can't
Speaker 2: believe that I'm the one that's all, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: sunshine and unicorns here.
Speaker 6: Do you think they're gonna make it?
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 8: I do.
Speaker 2: In fact, I think the Patriots may shock the NFL.
Speaker 8: What do you think the record right now?
Speaker 2: I think I said this last month when we talked
Speaker 2: about the schedule. I'm going to take them at ten
Speaker 2: and seven with an outside chance at eleven and six
Speaker 2: in spite of the difficulty of the record, and I
Speaker 2: think they'll get into the playoffs and depending on their matchup, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think they'll win a game. I don't know that
Speaker 2: they'll go beyond one game, but I think they'll they'll
Speaker 2: I think they'll win and get into the semifinals in
Speaker 2: the AFC. That's my thought because I think what they'll
Speaker 2: end up matching up with again, it all is predicated
Speaker 2: on injuries, you know. I think that a matchup in
Speaker 2: the in the second round, you know, in the wild
Speaker 2: card after the wild card weekend with either Buffalo or
Speaker 2: Kansas City is going to be extraordinarily difficult for them
Speaker 2: to match up.
Speaker 10: So that's what I think.
Speaker 6: I think Bills is gonna take the Bills are gonna
Speaker 6: take it all in the division. I think they're gonna win.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, that's fair, that's fair. I do think the
Speaker 2: Patriots get in his wildcard, so I'll take them. I'll
Speaker 2: take them right now at ten and seven. They get
Speaker 2: in his wild card, and then it's all about matchups.
Speaker 2: But I'll go ahead and go out on a limb
Speaker 2: and say they can win a game. And I think
Speaker 2: that would be a step in the right direction. Why
Speaker 2: Because I think they know they need to take that
Speaker 2: step at a franchise. They're going to work hard, and
Speaker 2: I think everybody and I think they've got more talent
Speaker 2: this year. There's no question in my mind. They have
Speaker 2: more talent on this team than they had a year ago.
Speaker 2: Now do they have the right talent, We don't know yet,
Speaker 2: and we're only gonna be able to find that out
Speaker 2: as the season unfolds. But I think, look, if you
Speaker 2: look at this team on offense this year, even the
Speaker 2: roster now with ninety eighty nine players whatever it is
Speaker 2: right now, based on what they had last year, it's
Speaker 2: night and day. There are more guys that can make plays.
Speaker 2: I loved, and I've said this to you know, our
Speaker 2: audience here before. I love the acquisition of Gasiki. You know,
Speaker 2: he's like a six foot six slot receiver. I think
Speaker 2: he's gonna end up being mac Jones's Binkie.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: I can see that it's coming Ju. That should open
Speaker 2: up room for Juju as well. Even though Juju is
Speaker 2: primarily a slot type of guy. I think he'll be
Speaker 2: able to line up wide if they choose to do that.
Speaker 2: I think you'll be able to take off with the
Speaker 2: ball if they choose to do that. So there are
Speaker 2: a lot of different ways that I think they'll be
Speaker 2: able to try to utilize him. I've always loved Devonte Parker,
Speaker 2: he just can't stay healthy enough to get out of
Speaker 2: his own way. I want to see him play twelve games.
Speaker 2: If we could get twelve to fourteen games out of Davante,
Speaker 2: you know, then I think the Patriots are going to
Speaker 2: be right where they need to be because he's one
Speaker 2: of those guys that can go up and get it,
Speaker 2: throw it up. He you know, should be able to
Speaker 2: win most one on one matchups with most corners in
Speaker 2: the league. You're certainly in the AFC. I'm actually excited
Speaker 2: about the new weapons that they have, at least on paper,
Speaker 2: on offense, and I think it will be better than
Speaker 2: it was a here going I'm willing to give them
Speaker 2: the benefit of the doubt. Now now I could be
Speaker 2: eating crow, you know, in another month here or you know,
Speaker 2: if someone gets hurt, or in two months after we
Speaker 2: get into the first four weeks of the season. Because
Speaker 2: one of the things I did say a month ago
Speaker 2: when we were talking about the record, is there's a
Speaker 2: good chance this team could go one in three to
Speaker 2: start the year based on the strength of schedule. There's
Speaker 2: a really good chance. Does that doom them? No, it
Speaker 2: does not, It won't. Nate, what do you think?
Speaker 8: I think this year is gonna be a struggle?
Speaker 9: You said, you said we have more talent, But the
Speaker 9: question we should be asking ourselves do we have the
Speaker 9: right talent. We have a lot of new guys, big
Speaker 9: new team this year. I think the start of the
Speaker 9: season is going to be a really big struggle. I
Speaker 9: agree with the start of the season, we're gonna go
Speaker 9: one in three. I think it's it's not gonna be
Speaker 9: a great start for us, Nor do I think we'll
Speaker 9: be making the postseason.
Speaker 8: I think we'll see eight wins and we'll have nine losses.
Speaker 2: So you have eight and Alina has eight, Mario has seven,
Speaker 2: So you guys are definitely not buying into the hype.
Speaker 8: No, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2: Become the chief waiver around here. Come on, never happened.
Speaker 8: We're all biased.
Speaker 9: We love the team, we want them to go far,
Speaker 9: so does everyone. We're all here for the Patriots except
Speaker 9: for Mario. Get out of here, Titans fan. But we
Speaker 9: gotta be honest with ourself. We can't hype us up.
Speaker 9: We can't hype hype, hype this season up too much.
Speaker 9: We like, like you've been saying, our our division is
Speaker 9: definitely the hardest division in sports. I mean, the Patriots
Speaker 9: have the hardest. We're in the hardest division, and and
Speaker 9: are we gonna be able to battle through it?
Speaker 8: I don't think so.
Speaker 10: Okay, it's gonna be a tough fight, but I could
Speaker 10: tell it.
Speaker 2: I mean it's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 9: That's that's why I said eight and nine, because I
Speaker 9: I don't think we'll be able to battle our way through.
Speaker 9: We have bills on the schedule twice, same thing. We
Speaker 9: got everyone on scheduled twice Bills is gonna be really
Speaker 9: tough for us. If we can pull out one win
Speaker 9: from them, that that would be amazing, But I don't
Speaker 9: think it's gonna happen.
Speaker 6: That'd be like a step in the right direction.
Speaker 8: That would be a great step in the right direction.
Speaker 9: We really have to look at ourselves at the end
Speaker 9: of the season if this is how we go, If
Speaker 9: we have a season like the Jets seven and ten,
Speaker 9: if we go something like that, or if we even
Speaker 9: have something like the Raiders six and eleven, we really
Speaker 9: have to look at what we're doing as a team.
Speaker 2: And so then you guys firmly put coach Belichick on
Speaker 2: the hot seat after that finish.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's if we have something like the Raiders or
Speaker 9: even the Broncos where we go five and twelve, we
Speaker 9: really have to look at is Belichick the right coach
Speaker 9: and where does he need to go?
Speaker 2: That's fair, we did say that. But I tell you
Speaker 2: one thing. These guys are not sucking up to the
Speaker 2: professor right now, are they?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 8: Sorry, sorry, love you, John, but no.
Speaker 2: I like that. Hey Eldred in North Carolina eight five
Speaker 2: to five, Pats five hundred, the total free number Eldred.
Speaker 2: Where are we driving today?
Speaker 12: How do legend and the panel? I'm up in the
Speaker 12: mount heard of a Cherokee, Yes, sir, North Carolina?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 12: What are gambling casinos?
Speaker 5: Yes, sir, yes, well I'm around the corner from them.
Speaker 2: Who you gambling on today?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 12: I ain't gambling. I'm I'm delivering some big man holes
Speaker 12: because they got to do some roads on a quady
Speaker 12: road or where that road called. They got repair that
Speaker 12: real bad, yes, and but doing them one a time.
Speaker 12: It's like a ghost down.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 12: You got tourists everywhere, bikers, you got hot pants, church
Speaker 12: tops look pretty good a week.
Speaker 2: The hell with the tourists. Just you know, leave your
Speaker 2: money out el Yeah, really, leave your money and get
Speaker 2: the hell out right.
Speaker 12: You got that right? But I like the attraction.
Speaker 5: They're looking very well, totally totally. What's so? What's what? What?
Speaker 5: What do you?
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you think of what these guys
Speaker 2: have been talking about? I mean, I know how you
Speaker 2: feel about Bill. Okay, tell me tell me why.
Speaker 12: One? Uh? Like I said, is this the way of thinking?
Speaker 12: And that's work good in the in the nineties when
Speaker 12: he with the giants, But he didn't work too good.
Speaker 12: With the with the Cleveland Brown, you know, and it
Speaker 12: didn't work. You know, ain't working good now, you know,
Speaker 12: because you got to play star star players. And I'm
Speaker 12: tired of everybody's saying we didn't ever have a chance
Speaker 12: get Yes, we did. He just didn't get them. Heck,
Speaker 12: he brought nine to ten up inside the buildings, worked
Speaker 12: him out, then then pick him and last couple of
Speaker 12: drafts they sitting right there. He got his guys what
Speaker 12: he thinks, and he don't like paying nobody. You know,
Speaker 12: he'll pay defense now if guns all his pans out,
Speaker 12: which I know he will. I think I'm pretty sure
Speaker 12: he will. He'll get that eighty to ninety million dollar contract.
Speaker 12: He'll get it, but he won't pay that for a
Speaker 12: star wide receiver. Yeah, you know, he won't pay that.
Speaker 12: And another thing he won't do the people that he got.
Speaker 5: He drafts and.
Speaker 12: That core that you done made or house thanks. When
Speaker 12: he comes to signing time, he don't want to sign him.
Speaker 12: He did the chep him out, chip him out, or
Speaker 12: you know he might do a sign and didn't trade him.
Speaker 5: That's ridiculous.
Speaker 12: That's your core. You know. When you was coming up,
Speaker 12: Stevenson coming up okay, and douglah, I'll keep every one
Speaker 12: on them. I'm sorry, that's my.
Speaker 2: Core, okay, and I won't disagree with that. No, I
Speaker 2: think you're I think you're right. So they didn't. They
Speaker 2: basically didn't do enough to get them back where you
Speaker 2: think they need to be right now.
Speaker 12: No, sir and uh Paul put something on on on
Speaker 12: us a couple of days ago and said, if they
Speaker 12: went all in on Brady from ninth from eighteen, nineteen
Speaker 12: and twenty, what.
Speaker 5: You think the rug would be?
Speaker 12: So Prian said, I don't know if they went all
Speaker 12: in on Brady and when a Mari couple came open,
Speaker 12: when the Hawk first went and left and then a dig,
Speaker 12: you had three more Super Bowls, you had three more.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know that. I listen, I don't know
Speaker 2: that they would have done that, but I would tell
Speaker 2: you that if they had decided to go all in
Speaker 2: on Brady run and keep him here, then I think
Speaker 2: they would have made an effort to keep more talent
Speaker 2: around him.
Speaker 12: Yes, and and you don't think with that talent he
Speaker 12: went with no talent, No talent, Like I said, everybody
Speaker 12: has had had leborguineas and sports cars he had Tukatys
Speaker 12: went to Zoo both the six down with us in
Speaker 12: one six.
Speaker 5: You don't think he was.
Speaker 12: If he went all in, he would have won three more.
Speaker 12: I know he would have. He won one with with.
Speaker 5: The with the bucks.
Speaker 12: And I don't care if it was of COVID season
Speaker 12: we had we had't do the same thing that did.
Speaker 12: Uh what y'all had to do with us learned to
Speaker 12: learn office, learn to play?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they got him there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a good argument. I mean it's
Speaker 2: a good argument. That's obviously an answer that will we'll
Speaker 2: never get because it will it'll never happen, right, But
Speaker 2: I could I would certainly see that, you know, you
Speaker 2: know COVID year, you know, look that that to me
Speaker 2: would have been the year to do it, because you know,
Speaker 2: everybody had struggles, so you know, if you've done a
Speaker 2: better job of keeping talent on the team and keeping Brady,
Speaker 2: I could see that one potentially working out, you know,
Speaker 2: to the Patriot liking for the last couple of years,
Speaker 2: depending upon what would have happened that year. I'm not
Speaker 2: so sure.
Speaker 12: Well, I'm thinking, well, I'm pretty sure because that's the
Speaker 12: greatest of all time. And everybody can get mad to
Speaker 12: be saying this. I don't care. He didn't come to
Speaker 12: the greatest coach that he had the greatest player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 12: Those two go hand in hand.
Speaker 2: Yeah I get it.
Speaker 12: You know you know that that was that andin then Brady.
Speaker 12: You could say one thing about Brady. One Super Bowl went,
Speaker 12: the two playoffs lost because they got I played. It
Speaker 12: was RT or whatever, but they got I played. But
Speaker 12: he did take him there three years in a row.
Speaker 12: You can't say that on this end. You can't say
Speaker 12: that you got the wrong you know, got your own people,
Speaker 12: got the wrong people when you draft, you know, and
Speaker 12: everybody was right there with what you needed.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 12: But like I said, that's build way of thinking. You
Speaker 12: think this way is the best way. But that's not
Speaker 12: you know, that's not not this year or the last
Speaker 12: couple of years football. You know they ain't playing like
Speaker 12: that no more. But he won't change it.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Elder, It is the biggest area
Speaker 2: of need on the roster right now.
Speaker 12: You know I won't say wide receiver.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna say that outside.
Speaker 12: Because if I was the defense annoying, Uh Bill O'Brien,
Speaker 12: what do you like to do made in the middle
Speaker 12: of the field and all that. I'm stopping in the
Speaker 12: middle till you show me somebody on the outside that
Speaker 12: I gotta worry about. I don't care if you do.
Speaker 12: Gotta stu stucking around. You have picked to run the
Speaker 12: four two. He ain't showed me nothing yet, and he
Speaker 12: burned me a couple of times. Then I'm gonna back up,
Speaker 12: but I'm gonna.
Speaker 5: Call out that middle.
Speaker 12: That's what I would do. You showed me something, elk.
Speaker 2: You guys have anything for Eldrick?
Speaker 5: Do you want to here?
Speaker 9: I gotta I got a question, Eldrick. What's what do
Speaker 9: you think the record is? I think you quickly said it,
Speaker 9: but I didn't hear. What was the what do you
Speaker 9: think the record for the Pats season?
Speaker 12: To win a shootout?
Speaker 2: You guys cheating?
Speaker 5: Maybe?
Speaker 2: Did you guys cheat and call and talk to Eldrick
Speaker 2: before we started here? Why the hell are you guys
Speaker 2: all on the same page?
Speaker 5: And I went out in land.
Speaker 9: We love you, We've heard, We've heard some stories.
Speaker 2: Uh, we love you.
Speaker 8: You're a fan of the show.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 12: He's everybody too. But think about it. I'm gonna see me,
Speaker 12: mister mister legend. If you get a shootout with the Eagles,
Speaker 12: the Cowboys, the Chiefs, the Bikers, Buffalo Miami got Buffalo
Speaker 12: Miami twice, and now the Jet even though they got
Speaker 12: Aaron Rodgers. If I think Aaron Rodgers gonna fall apart,
Speaker 12: I don't think so. You know, so you gotta win
Speaker 12: a shootout. You ain't got the web. It's the run
Speaker 12: hihoot out.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 9: I think actually this might be one season where we
Speaker 9: might see the Jets above us for once. They they haven't,
Speaker 9: they haven't.
Speaker 2: Rogers is not all that.
Speaker 5: He's not. He's not, he's not.
Speaker 9: But they have the prospects, they have the talent. They
Speaker 9: just need a team that's gonna work together.
Speaker 5: Need a quarterback exactly.
Speaker 10: And some love Bisola as well.
Speaker 2: I just don't. I don't running back well, yeah, but
Speaker 2: they're gonna get that back. I think Breess Hall is
Speaker 2: gonna you know, he's very good. I loved him at
Speaker 2: Iowa Stake because he was a thorn in my side.
Speaker 10: But he's very explosive.
Speaker 2: He's extraordinarily explosive. And if he's completely healthy, they'll have
Speaker 2: their running back.
Speaker 12: They'll have him, Yeah, they have, And plus they got
Speaker 12: somebody in the background there to back him.
Speaker 5: Up a little bit, you know, so he's pretty well.
Speaker 2: They just yeah, they did, didn't they did just sign
Speaker 2: James Robinson who we had here. I believe they did.
Speaker 5: Yes, I think they. I think they did somebody before
Speaker 5: him that was a guy.
Speaker 12: There was a rent back before him. Yeah, that took
Speaker 12: place for a little bit.
Speaker 5: You know, he's pretty good two four minute.
Speaker 12: But all of them looking at it's the competition level,
Speaker 12: you know, And then I know we got we got
Speaker 12: good coaches. Now, you know we didn't have him last year.
Speaker 12: But it's the talent thing, you know, Juju, you can
Speaker 12: pay some million what give what call thirty some millions
Speaker 12: and that's not not thirty but thirteen sixteen million, Yeah
Speaker 12: to Parker, and I got, like I told you, you
Speaker 12: got a disgrunted rob receiver in Denver. Give a third
Speaker 12: round or fourth front and go get a Bill And
Speaker 12: that's such way better than Parker and younger, fast and taller,
Speaker 12: and we'll go get it and got speed. Now they
Speaker 12: don't give somebody on the O side.
Speaker 6: You're talking about a quarterback here. Do you think Mac
Speaker 6: can bounce back from his season last year and grow
Speaker 6: under Bill O'Brien, Like, what do you think about that?
Speaker 12: I think it'd be more. I think he can because
Speaker 12: that's more like Josh McDaniel, a real offensive coordinator. Somebody
Speaker 12: gonna get his attention, gonna work under his canic tell
Speaker 12: him what you know this and that he didn't have
Speaker 12: that last year And nor did Bill bring him in
Speaker 12: the nurture that I can see, you know, on sidelines
Speaker 12: or whatever, like he did what you call like he
Speaker 12: did Brady, what's the thing you go talk to Brady?
Speaker 12: He didn't do that with Matt. You know, he didn't
Speaker 12: do that. I think he'll do a little bit better.
Speaker 12: And like I said, you still a couple of shots deep.
Speaker 12: Somebody can get over there, Burnham, cup of time. They
Speaker 12: gonna make somebody back up right now. We ain't got
Speaker 12: nobody to making nobody back up. So I'm just coming
Speaker 12: forward that you got better corners. You got Ramsey in
Speaker 12: there now over there with the other guy from Miami.
Speaker 12: Then you got Sauce and this other guy they got
Speaker 12: over there. Then you got Buffalo corners. You know, jam,
Speaker 12: they can jam, they can run. You ain't got nobody
Speaker 12: can run with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Elder I'm gonna leave you with one
Speaker 2: more here because the guy's kind of started out with
Speaker 2: this and I think I know your answer, but I
Speaker 2: really kind of like for you to contribute. Here is
Speaker 2: Bill on the hot seat? Why or why not?
Speaker 12: He's a house fit for the last hoo told seasons
Speaker 12: with me.
Speaker 10: He is burning hot.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, sir, I mean, I mean somewhere down the line.
Speaker 12: You have to see what's going on in the NFL.
Speaker 12: I mean, he ain't no dummy, He's smartest ay to be.
Speaker 12: You have to see and you have to see that
Speaker 12: your way ain't going ain't doing. You ain't working like
Speaker 12: it did before because you had demand. You ain't got demand.
Speaker 5: Now. You can't keep.
Speaker 12: Playing like that. You can't keep drafting like that, you
Speaker 12: can't keep scheming like that. You ain't the skiing. It's
Speaker 12: the player and the scheme. And like I said before,
Speaker 12: you be the greatest coach in the world. But if
Speaker 12: you ain't got them plague, you're just a coach holding
Speaker 12: the clipbull on the sideline. That's all you are.
Speaker 10: Yeah, for Jesus the fact, Yeah, I like that, Elder that.
Speaker 2: I love you, brother. Thanks for calling in.
Speaker 5: I have a good one.
Speaker 2: Gotta go see you all right, he's gotta finish making
Speaker 2: his load here. All right. If you're on the phones,
Speaker 2: hang in, I'm gonna get right to you. But guys,
Speaker 2: good job on the first hour here. Appreciate you all,
Speaker 2: thank you. Yeah yeah, way to roll.
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Speaker 8: I can't wait.
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Speaker 1: This is Patriots Playbook, the Legend.
Speaker 2: We're into our number two of Patriots Playbook for uh well,
Speaker 2: what's today? July twenties twenty six? Thank you?
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Speaker 2: here with the July edition of the Patriots Playbook. Today
Speaker 2: was the first day of training camp here at Gillette Stadium.
Speaker 2: As I mentioned in the opening hour of the program,
Speaker 2: that you know, really today tomorrow Friday will really be
Speaker 2: more glorified OTAs than anything else, just because it's a
Speaker 2: continuation of what was learned, and then just to see
Speaker 2: what the retention has been after having five six weeks
Speaker 2: off since OTA has ended in June. And then they'll
Speaker 2: get to you know, pad work and contact and yes,
Speaker 2: true competition beginning next week on Monday. That were players
Speaker 2: that were missing today at the opening of training camp,
Speaker 2: Mike on when you and Calvin Anderson were I guess
Speaker 2: the most notable absentees. When you is currently on the PUP,
Speaker 2: the physically unable to perform list, Anderson is on the
Speaker 2: non football illness list earlier this week was something that
Speaker 2: was not football related O WHENU is recovering from ankle surgery,
Speaker 2: as I know many of you were probably aware that
Speaker 2: he had in the off season. So that's why those
Speaker 2: two guys weren't there. I don't think that we're expecting
Speaker 2: any difficulties or anything lingering from where those guys are,
Speaker 2: you know, are presently. I think that's the biggest issue.
Speaker 2: And then I also find out today Cody Davis, who's
Speaker 2: the special teamer in safety also on the PUP, is
Speaker 2: the only other player that was missing to my knowledge,
Speaker 2: at least based on the start of practice today here
Speaker 2: at Gillette. DeMarcus Mitchell was present, and I know the
Speaker 2: Boston Herald reported this as well. He's kind of been
Speaker 2: been moved from the NFI the non Football injury list
Speaker 2: as well, so he's back, so that's probably good. Marte
Speaker 2: Maphu done, the rookie from Sack State. He did not
Speaker 2: yet a red jersey on, so that means no contact.
Speaker 2: So I think they're just being sort of, you know,
Speaker 2: careful with him. I mentioned, you know earlier, you know,
Speaker 2: to radio station that I spoke to in Maine this
Speaker 2: morning as they were all hyped up about the opening
Speaker 2: day of training camp, that Mapoo's one of the guys
Speaker 2: that I really am looking forward to seeing the most.
Speaker 2: You know, there are a lot of hype here about
Speaker 2: a guy that you know clearly played at another level.
Speaker 2: I mean Sack State. Let's face it, Okay, it's not
Speaker 2: Pac twelve, it's you know, not Big twelve, it's not
Speaker 2: Big ten. But that doesn't mean that talent doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: And so to me, this is an example a of
Speaker 2: a guy that might be playing a little bit more
Speaker 2: of a chip on his shoulder, kind of like we
Speaker 2: saw Kyle Duggart a few years ago, right, ironically that
Speaker 2: you know, these guys will probably play similar positions, right,
Speaker 2: number one and number two. This is a test of
Speaker 2: the team scouting staff. This is a test of you know, hey,
Speaker 2: these guys can recognize talent no matter where it be playing,
Speaker 2: where it'll be playing, and whatever level it might be
Speaker 2: located on. So Mapoo's a guy that I'm really kind
Speaker 2: of looking forward to trying to identify and see how
Speaker 2: he begins to make out and can he perform to
Speaker 2: the level of early expectation for the Patriots. All right,
Speaker 2: So before we get back to the phones, I want
Speaker 2: to welcome in our panel for an hour number two
Speaker 2: and again, these are my sports broadcasting students at Dean
Speaker 2: this summer. We'll welcome onto the program Charlie Adams. Charlie's
Speaker 2: from Do you are even Kranston in Warwick? Cranston, Right, Cranston,
Speaker 2: Rhode Island, Okay, And so you go to Cranston East
Speaker 2: High School? Correct?
Speaker 5: Yep?
Speaker 2: All right, gotcha? And you remember the Thunderbird broadcast program.
Speaker 11: There, Yep, Thunderbolt Sports Media.
Speaker 2: Thunderbolt Sports.
Speaker 5: I love that.
Speaker 8: I love that.
Speaker 2: You want to give a shout out to coach Simone
Speaker 2: or anything like that.
Speaker 11: Yep, mister Simone and the people over at fans Only
Speaker 11: Sports Network give me a good opportunity to get my chops,
Speaker 11: get my reps in in high school, all right.
Speaker 2: Fans Only is actually where we send a lot of
Speaker 2: our Dean kids over to work with, and you probably
Speaker 2: even worked with some of them, some of them. Maya galupo, Hi,
Speaker 2: Maya Hi, So Maya tellus you are a senior getting
Speaker 2: ready to be a senior in high school?
Speaker 7: Right, yes?
Speaker 2: And where do you reside?
Speaker 4: I'm in I'm near Baltimore.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're another out of state or here?
Speaker 6: Ye?
Speaker 2: Are you a Ravens?
Speaker 4: No, I'm a Patriots fan because I'm family from here.
Speaker 2: Oh so where's your family from?
Speaker 4: I think like around Natick and Lowell.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I don't know.
Speaker 10: If I said that, right, No, no, you did.
Speaker 2: That's actually a good job out of you. You know,
Speaker 2: some people will say Natick, that's true. Some people will
Speaker 2: say wor Chester, you know which. If you do, then
Speaker 2: we can tell you're not from here, right, Okay, that's
Speaker 2: all right. Uh so if you're you born and raised there?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay, Baltimore.
Speaker 2: So you largely became a Patriot fan because of your family?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: Wow, so the Patriot fan influence must be heavy in
Speaker 2: your family, then, yes? Does anybody in your family follow
Speaker 2: the Ravens?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Wow, so everybody's a Pats fan?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, him Aya's family. How you doing? Everybody good?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: Zach Goldberger?
Speaker 5: Zach?
Speaker 2: Where are you're from?
Speaker 8: From?
Speaker 2: Brooklyn, New York?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 5: God?
Speaker 2: One of those Jets, Giants?
Speaker 5: Cowboys?
Speaker 8: Oh lord.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to say it on the podcast. I
Speaker 2: might feel a little flamed, but uh I love that,
Speaker 2: all right. So the obvious question then for me, Zach,
Speaker 2: is how did you get to be a Cowboy fan
Speaker 2: from New York?
Speaker 19: All right, so I'm a big college football fan. I'm
Speaker 19: a big Michigan fan. Okay, and a few years back,
Speaker 19: well over half their graduates went to the Cowboys. I
Speaker 19: was like a right, you know, I off of all
Speaker 19: the Cowboys and I started liking.
Speaker 2: The team, you know, yep?
Speaker 8: So all right, well it's not a great excuse.
Speaker 2: But no, no, that's fine. We You know, obviously you
Speaker 2: and I have something in comic because you know, people
Speaker 2: who've listened to this show for any length of time
Speaker 2: know that I grew up, you know, with the Cowboys
Speaker 2: in my backyard being from Texas, and so I was
Speaker 2: a Cowboy fan. But I was a Cowboy fan pre
Speaker 2: Jerry Jones ownership. You know, this is when you know
Speaker 2: they were owned by you know, the Murchisons and uh
Speaker 2: and then the Brights of the World. And when Tom
Speaker 2: Landry was the you know, one and only head coach
Speaker 2: that team ever had, and you know, just the way
Speaker 2: it rolled with me, and I stopped really being a
Speaker 2: fan of the Cowboys, you know, when Jerry Jones unceremoniously dispatched,
Speaker 2: you know, arguably one of the greatest coaches to have
Speaker 2: ever you know, coached the game in the NFL. But
Speaker 2: I can get off on a tangent on that one
Speaker 2: if you want to, and maybe you and Isaac will
Speaker 2: do that at some point in time. Right, we can
Speaker 2: do that. And let's also welcome kurrent Cochley Kerrn's local midfield.
Speaker 7: Right that field twenty minutes on the road.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: So, you know, I know probably why you're a Patriot, Sampit,
Speaker 2: because you've grown up here. You're into sports in high school. Correct, Yes,
Speaker 2: I am in the sports high school broadcasting as well.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm in the broadcasting as well. I do a
Speaker 7: lot of work with Medfield TV. You're in a sports
Speaker 7: show there called Warrior Sports Talk, and it's incredible. It's
Speaker 7: a great opportunity to get work in and learn a
Speaker 7: lot about the industry and the business and how it
Speaker 7: all goes. And it's incredible.
Speaker 2: All right, So you guys ready to tackle you know,
Speaker 2: the topics of the day.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 2: Before we get to them, let's get William and Philadelphia
Speaker 2: in here, because William's been kind enough to hold on
Speaker 2: during the break. Hey William, you're in the playbook.
Speaker 20: Mister Brook what's going on?
Speaker 2: How you doing?
Speaker 21: All right?
Speaker 20: I've been trying to reach you for I've been missing.
Speaker 20: I guess one of your shows come on and I
Speaker 20: don't know when, I say, all right, maybe he's on
Speaker 20: a day And I looked on the ALP and I
Speaker 20: was like, all right, he's one if I can talk all.
Speaker 2: I Hey, listen, I'm I'm I'm uh welcome to I'll
Speaker 2: shoot the bleep with you anytime you want it. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know how to get me on social media?
Speaker 5: Right? Yeah?
Speaker 12: Yes, sir?
Speaker 2: All right, so you can you don't have to wait
Speaker 2: for the show. I'm glad you did though. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm really happy that you take the time
Speaker 2: to do it on the show. But you know, hey,
Speaker 2: we can we can do it just about anytime. Our
Speaker 2: show in August will be on August thirtieth, and then
Speaker 2: the next week we start the regular season, right before
Speaker 2: the first game against the Eagles, so that'll be the
Speaker 2: next couple of times that we'll have the show on. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, fire away, what do you got man?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 20: Well, I'm gonna say hello to the panel.
Speaker 2: You guys say hello to one.
Speaker 5: There we go.
Speaker 20: Hey, how y'all going do? I'm a fat just fan too, uh,
Speaker 20: even though I look at Philadelphia, so don't judge me.
Speaker 20: So I gotta agree with the panel seven and ten.
Speaker 2: To really agree with no kidding, we'll find out how
Speaker 2: these guys you know are are opening hour. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you guys heard of it, Uh, seven and ten,
Speaker 2: eight and nine, maybe you know, And we'll we'll tackle
Speaker 2: that one here shortly. But I you know, I I
Speaker 2: feel like, what the hell am I looking at that
Speaker 2: you guys aren't Because I've said ten and seven, eleven
Speaker 2: and six.
Speaker 7: That's mostly our group is thinking we were Marlin Lineman.
Speaker 2: So you're looking okay, all right, So William tell me
Speaker 2: why seven and ten man?
Speaker 20: Well, I'm definitely being nice. I actually want to be
Speaker 20: worse than that, but I'll be nice about it. So
Speaker 20: let me start. I guess let's start here your fourth season.
Speaker 20: Then you're going in your fifth season, and it's the roster.
Speaker 20: It's just I mean, Bill's he drops the ball every time,
Speaker 20: and I think, what was the last storm with the
Speaker 20: DeAndre Hopkins situation? Like you you're being cheap and you
Speaker 20: you do not have Tom Brady no more. You have
Speaker 20: mag Jones and he's not he's not. He's just he
Speaker 20: needs talent around him. He don't need stuff par talent.
Speaker 20: He needs really strong talent around.
Speaker 3: Him, you know.
Speaker 20: And I mean faces, figures on filter, they just they
Speaker 20: disagree with me all the time. They I guess they
Speaker 20: homeless bars. I don't, but I mean, look, I love
Speaker 20: the team too, but I'm gonna call it the way
Speaker 20: I see, you know, and we're gonna find we I'm
Speaker 20: gonna tell you this one too that no one is
Speaker 20: really talking about.
Speaker 6: That.
Speaker 20: You're gonna find out why Deyvin mccordy was nice, because
Speaker 20: then mccordy was calling you know, line line the players
Speaker 20: up and one night the Corns and everything we're gonna
Speaker 20: miss that, We're gonna get exposed, gonna gets bad. And
Speaker 20: just one more thing to our first game is uh
Speaker 20: the Philadelphia eatings. I'm gonna I got one word for
Speaker 20: the front seven for the philup you nasty?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I mean yeah, I mean yea. Let's face it,
Speaker 2: that's a super Bowl caliber team right still, So, I mean,
Speaker 2: I know the Patriots know that they have their hands full.
Speaker 2: That's a hell of a game to for anybody to,
Speaker 2: you know, start the year off with. And and uh,
Speaker 2: it'd be a lot of heavy expectation because of the
Speaker 2: Tom Brady Day thing and all that other stuff. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure how many people really expect the Patriots to
Speaker 2: win that game, even if it's here. You know, I
Speaker 2: think that you're, you're, you're probably that would be money
Speaker 2: in the bank if you could get that one.
Speaker 20: You know, I don't know how you could be even
Speaker 20: I don't know how you can be fonditive about this.
Speaker 5: I just can't well.
Speaker 2: And I but I'll tell you exactly why I'm positive,
Speaker 2: because that they clearly have more talent on the offensive
Speaker 2: side of the ball than they had a year ago,
Speaker 2: and I think the defense will improve from where it
Speaker 2: was a year ago as well. So if you make
Speaker 2: small incremental improvements, and I think they've made more than
Speaker 2: that on the offensive side, but even on the defensive side,
Speaker 2: if you've made small incremental improvements, I think you know,
Speaker 2: rising tide lifts all boats, and this team could be
Speaker 2: a little bit better now. I know the schedule's tougher,
Speaker 2: and the schedule could clearly, clearly, you know, cause the
Speaker 2: balance to tip either way. I think it's gonna be
Speaker 2: that way for everybody, because the great unknown here when
Speaker 2: you go into any NFL season, all right, and it's
Speaker 2: more so now than at any other time in the
Speaker 2: history of the game. This is a marathon. It is
Speaker 2: no sprint. There are seventeen long ass weeks to this season,
Speaker 2: and that's enough time for any team to a get hurt,
Speaker 2: b overcome that hurt, and see get healthy again. And
Speaker 2: so if you've got enough depth on your roster, you
Speaker 2: can still be competitive. And that's you know, even to
Speaker 2: the Patriots. Like I said in the opening hour of
Speaker 2: the show, here, if you start one in three, which
Speaker 2: I think it's it's quite possible, this team could start
Speaker 2: one in three, could they still be a playoff team?
Speaker 2: They absolutely could be. Now when you look at it,
Speaker 2: that means, well, they start one in three, rook and
Speaker 2: you think they're gonna go ten and seven, that means
Speaker 2: they're gonna go nine and four the rest of the way.
Speaker 2: You know, who are you fooling them? I'm not fooling anybody,
Speaker 2: because you're still got the same talent as long as
Speaker 2: it's healthy. And if other teams don't have luck and
Speaker 2: it does require some of that here, if other teams
Speaker 2: don't have that luck with health, they'll come down to
Speaker 2: your level and you've got a chance to take advantage
Speaker 2: of that. That's what I'm banking on. This is a marathon,
Speaker 2: this is not a sprint. Injuries matter. I want to
Speaker 2: see this team build up depth, and I think they've
Speaker 2: done a much better job of trying to build depth internally.
Speaker 2: This is why you see guys that can play two ways,
Speaker 2: Guys that can play multiple positions on the offensive line,
Speaker 2: the defensive line, especially in the secondary, guys that can
Speaker 2: play corner and safety, play safety and linebacker. I mean,
Speaker 2: we see a lot of this multi talented depth that
Speaker 2: already exists on this roster, and I think it's a
Speaker 2: step above where they were this time of year ago.
Speaker 2: That's the reason for my optimism. And I'm not just
Speaker 2: waving pompons here. This is exactly what I thought. And
Speaker 2: I'm somewhat encouraged by this. But you know, my my
Speaker 2: esteem panels year. They just don't seem to at least
Speaker 2: the first hour, they don't seem to agree too much.
Speaker 2: All right, fair enough, but I'll tell you what. I'll
Speaker 2: tell you what we'll do, William. We will revisit this, right, yes, sir, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, thank you, Thank you, buddy, appreciate it. Eight
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Speaker 5: All right, guys, so.
Speaker 2: Let's kind of let's let's let's start with what we
Speaker 2: ended the previous hour with. Let's talk about predicting twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three. You know, clearly William thinks seven and ten.
Speaker 2: The guys, your your fellow, you know, uh, students didn't
Speaker 2: go above eight and nine. Okay, that's what they thought
Speaker 2: all over. I get the sense that you might be
Speaker 2: a little more optimistic and maybe we'll be agreeable, maybe not.
Speaker 2: But I want to know why you have that optimism.
Speaker 7: Okay, go, I mean yeah, I think obviously it's easy
Speaker 7: to look at the schedule and because seven to ten
Speaker 7: is realistic, is it worse than that is realistic? This
Speaker 7: schedule is leghit. There are a lot of serious, difficult
Speaker 7: playoff teams on here. I think I got ranked the
Speaker 7: hardest schedule in the league, as a matter of fact.
Speaker 7: So it's no surprise to see people predicting us with
Speaker 7: a losing record well under five hundred. And I'd be
Speaker 7: wrong if I said I couldn't see it. But there's
Speaker 7: also a really, really feasible way that this team can
Speaker 7: be a competitor. They can win some shootouts with the
Speaker 7: addition of Bill O'Brien, the addition of Mike Aseki, so
Speaker 7: we I predicted ten and seven personally, and I think
Speaker 7: the big wins you see on the schedule that might
Speaker 7: be surprising. I have a win over the Cowboys, much
Speaker 7: to the sugar of Zach over there, and I also
Speaker 7: have us taking a game against the Jets, much improved team.
Speaker 7: I think we're gonna split with them this year. We
Speaker 7: could lose both games, so that also determines a lot
Speaker 7: of where we end up. This division is tough, the
Speaker 7: hardest division in the league easily, But I think when
Speaker 7: you look at some of our teams outside we play
Speaker 7: the Chargers, the Steelers, the Broncos, the Commanders, those are
Speaker 7: all games that this team I think should be able
Speaker 7: to handle with the death that we have, with the
Speaker 7: talent that we have. So I have them going ten
Speaker 7: and seven. I think realistically, if they can keep that pace,
Speaker 7: they can keep up with the teams in the AFC East.
Speaker 7: I see them maybe securing a wildcard spot. Maybe that's
Speaker 7: me my Homer glasses on, but that's what I predicted.
Speaker 2: All right, Jack, what do you think. I know you're
Speaker 2: chopping at the bid here.
Speaker 19: Well, I agree with ten and seven. I think it
Speaker 19: does depend on how receivers like Taikewan Thornton and Juju
Speaker 19: perform though to help Mac with more weapons on offense.
Speaker 19: But I think if they can perform the way they should,
Speaker 19: then ten and seven is a very realistic record for
Speaker 19: them at the end of the season.
Speaker 2: All right, maya any thoughts along those same lines. Are
Speaker 2: you gonna go differently?
Speaker 4: I have similar thoughts. I do think it could be
Speaker 4: ten and seven, but I do think there are a
Speaker 4: few games that I was like, I could go either way.
Speaker 2: Tell me where do you think those are?
Speaker 5: Then?
Speaker 4: The Jets, like I was thinking, we could split it
Speaker 4: or we could lose both. And the Cowboys and the Raiders.
Speaker 4: These are two games that I said wins, but I
Speaker 4: could also see that be a loss.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so fifty to fifty games in there.
Speaker 2: It kind of leaves you a little bit iffy. But
Speaker 2: it sounds to me then if you're still thinking ten
Speaker 2: seven that they're gonna win their share.
Speaker 4: Of them, Yeah right, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 2: Charlie, you on the same page.
Speaker 11: Well, I'm looking at their win total over under at
Speaker 11: seven and a half.
Speaker 2: But I think are you burying the over on that one?
Speaker 2: Is that what you're telling me?
Speaker 11: I'm not too I'm not too sure about that really.
Speaker 11: I think we're a top four team in the AFC East,
Speaker 11: but that's not enough to get us to playoffs.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 11: We need I'd say maybe even twelve wins if we're
Speaker 11: looking at a wild card spot. So it's another season
Speaker 11: without a playoff birth.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 11: I don't know if I can handle it being a
Speaker 11: Patriots fan, I've only seen winning, seeing these missed playoffs.
Speaker 11: If we do it again, I'm not sure if I
Speaker 11: can go through that one more time with this strong
Speaker 11: AFC East.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think you know that. Look, I think it's
Speaker 2: good to be cautious. I mean my initial inclination. I
Speaker 2: think I said this a couple of months ago, before
Speaker 2: one of our offseason shows that we were doing earlier,
Speaker 2: I think before we knew what the schedule was gonna
Speaker 2: look like and how it was going to line up.
Speaker 2: You know, I said, hey, don't be surprised if this
Speaker 2: team goes, you know, eight to nine, nine and eight again,
Speaker 2: because based on the opponent, we knew they're gonna play,
Speaker 2: we just didn't when it was gonna be. Then it
Speaker 2: looked like the schedule is going to be a little
Speaker 2: bit tougher than what it was a year ago. And
Speaker 2: I think obviously that has proven to be true in
Speaker 2: this case. But I'm going strictly on a feel, and
Speaker 2: my feel is is that I think these guys on
Speaker 2: this team and these coaches on this team feel like
Speaker 2: they have something to prove. This is when I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go back to the early two thousands, before you guys
Speaker 2: were evenna glint in your parents' eyeballs here. But I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go back to, you know, the early two thousands
Speaker 2: because those Patriots teams thrived on having a chip on
Speaker 2: their shoulder. We used to call it the old boulder
Speaker 2: on the show. You know, they really were motivated by
Speaker 2: what other people thought they couldn't or wouldn't or never
Speaker 2: would do. And I think we're gonna get a little
Speaker 2: bit of that this year because I think there are
Speaker 2: a lot of doubting thomas Is out there, and so
Speaker 2: I think that will especially on the offensive side of
Speaker 2: the wall, because I think they know that people are
Speaker 2: gonna really scrutinize over them because they were so bad
Speaker 2: last year. I mean it was it was a struggle
Speaker 2: to watch them offensively a year.
Speaker 7: It was not good football.
Speaker 2: No it wasn't. And I think we're gonna all admit that.
Speaker 2: And frankly, that keeps me from you know, going over
Speaker 2: the top even further and sent you know, eleven and six,
Speaker 2: twelve and five. I think, you know, no, I don't
Speaker 2: know if I'm ready to go that far. But I look,
Speaker 2: I'm at ten and seven. I think with a couple
Speaker 2: of breaks, eleven and six, and I think eleven and
Speaker 2: six is gonna have them in the hunt for the
Speaker 2: AFC East. I do because I think Buffalo, New England, Miami,
Speaker 2: New York are gonna beat up on each other. It
Speaker 2: would not shock me to see those four teams go
Speaker 2: three and three against each other. No, not at all.
Speaker 2: It really wouldn't shock me. And you'd say, oh, Buffalo, Well, listen,
Speaker 2: what is Buffalo done. They haven't done anything, got worse.
Speaker 2: I'm listening. I could think you could make that argument.
Speaker 7: I really do. I think Buffalo in terms of what
Speaker 7: they've lost on the defensive side and some pieces on
Speaker 7: the offensive side as well. Nahim Heines being out for
Speaker 7: the year, Yeah, I think I think they've gotten worse.
Speaker 7: I mean, their situation is. I don't think they're as
Speaker 7: deep as they were last year.
Speaker 2: I think they're coming back to the pack just a
Speaker 2: little bit, just a little bit. They still deserve to
Speaker 2: be the favorite. I would still make them the favorite
Speaker 2: because based on paper, where they've been and what they've
Speaker 2: done over the last three years, they deserve to be
Speaker 2: on top. I'm a proponent of, Hey, you're king until
Speaker 2: you're removed from the you know, from the seat, right,
Speaker 2: That's what I think. Tell you, you know, knock off the
Speaker 2: king of the hill. The king is still the king.
Speaker 7: I think as long as Josh Allen and Digs are there,
Speaker 7: they're the king. Yeah, you can't. You can't stop that.
Speaker 7: Nobody can stop that. Do There's no answer for it?
Speaker 2: No, I think that's true. But let's let's this is
Speaker 2: why we have to play the games right, right, so
Speaker 2: we kind of gotten our records in here postseason, Yes, no, indifferent.
Speaker 2: What are you thinking.
Speaker 11: I'm looking at the last two weeks of the season,
Speaker 11: having to face the Bills and Jets. That's gonna be
Speaker 11: two crucial weeks if everything goes right. I think there's
Speaker 11: a lot of things that have to go the Patriots
Speaker 11: way to get a chance at that last wildcard spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't argue with that. I think at ten
Speaker 2: and seven you make a wild card. I think anything
Speaker 2: short of that nine and eight probably isn't gonna be
Speaker 2: good enough this year. I know it was last year.
Speaker 2: I don't know that it's good enough. I don't think
Speaker 2: you can count on that eleven and six you're showing
Speaker 2: and like I said, eleven and six, you may even
Speaker 2: tie for the division title.
Speaker 7: What do you think, Kurrent No, I mean, I completely
Speaker 7: agree with that. I think anything below ten and seven
Speaker 7: you're not cutting the playoffs this year. This is such
Speaker 7: a competitive, tough division. You're gonna be playing tough teams
Speaker 7: all year long. You're gonna have to at least be
Speaker 7: a couple games over five hundred to make the playoffs.
Speaker 7: Eleven and six, I think you're right. This is gonna
Speaker 7: be a competitive division. No one's gonna be sweeping through
Speaker 7: the division the way the Bills did last year. They
Speaker 7: were claiming games pretty easily. I think, you know, if
Speaker 7: with a tougher division, yeah, I think you could get
Speaker 7: a wildcard spot, you could sneak in there and maybe
Speaker 7: being played for the East. But I think below that
Speaker 7: there's no chance.
Speaker 2: Zach Maya, what do you think?
Speaker 21: I agree?
Speaker 8: I agree. I think that.
Speaker 19: I do think the Dolphins are going to come in
Speaker 19: first in the division this year. Really Yeah, I mean
Speaker 19: the ad, the addition of Jalen Ramsey, and you know,
Speaker 19: with Tyreek and Jalen still on the team, I think
Speaker 19: Tua does have to step up, but I think they
Speaker 19: could definitely have a case for the first in the
Speaker 19: division this year. But I think the Patriots might be
Speaker 19: able to sneak in a wild card spot this year.
Speaker 19: I think within the next two three years for sure
Speaker 19: they will be a playoff team again. I think it's
Speaker 19: going to have to come with a little bit of
Speaker 19: time with their youngsters still having to evolve.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Maya, I show you a smile when
Speaker 2: he said when he said dolphins. So I'm just kind
Speaker 2: of curious what you think there.
Speaker 4: I do think it is going to be tough for
Speaker 4: them to reach the postseason and get a wild card,
Speaker 4: but I do think it is possible if they get
Speaker 4: as you guys said of like ten and seven were above.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that would put him in there, right, Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: let's go to the phones. Eight five to five, Pats
Speaker 2: five hundred. Sasha is in southee kind enough to hang on, Hi, Sasha,
Speaker 2: you're in the playbook.
Speaker 21: Oh yeah, what's up, John?
Speaker 2: How you doing?
Speaker 21: Thanks for having me on? Yeah, sure, I just I
Speaker 21: wanted to talk about I don't know if you've talked
Speaker 21: about this yet, but I think it's kind of an
Speaker 21: underrated storyline of the off season is that, you know,
Speaker 21: I think arguably our best defensive player and offensive player
Speaker 21: are both free agents next year in Kyle Duger and
Speaker 21: mike on Wendon, and we haven't I haven't heard anything
Speaker 21: about extensions for either, and I just I'm kind of
Speaker 21: worried that Bill is taking it too slow when we
Speaker 21: might lose something Like I'm really high on Kyle Duger.
Speaker 21: I think he's one of the best play making safeties
Speaker 21: in the NFL, and that's someone who I think we
Speaker 21: really have to make a big effort to keep. So
Speaker 21: I don't know what you guys think about that.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll lead off with that one. I will tell
Speaker 2: you that I think that they're already talking about it internally.
Speaker 2: They're not gonna They're not gonna play their hand. They
Speaker 2: aren't going to show their hand here to kind of
Speaker 2: keeping the cards closed to the vest. But I think
Speaker 2: they both realize. I think everybody realizes that, you know,
Speaker 2: those two guys could very easily be, you know, part
Speaker 2: of the backbone of this franchise for a few years
Speaker 2: to come, and I think we'll probably see that as
Speaker 2: the season unfolds. You know, when you I think we
Speaker 2: can realize is probably one of the best guards in
Speaker 2: the NFL. Now, so you know, once he returns off
Speaker 2: of the pup, which is what he started on today
Speaker 2: for the first day of practice, then you know, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't be at all surprised to see this be a
Speaker 2: deal that just gets done under the table and gets
Speaker 2: you know, without a whole lot of fanfare, and hopefully
Speaker 2: they have something to announce before all of a sudden
Speaker 2: done Dougger. In all honesty, I you know, unless something
Speaker 2: is already done, I can see them waiting a little
Speaker 2: longer on Dougger. And I'll tell you why, because I
Speaker 2: think they feel like Mapu's a guy that might come
Speaker 2: in and he could do that what Dougger's doing, maybe
Speaker 2: for less money because of his rookie contract. I don't
Speaker 2: think that means that they are undervaluing Dugger, but I
Speaker 2: think they just mean, look, we need to do what
Speaker 2: is the best in the best interest of the franchise
Speaker 2: first and foremost, and if Duggart's gonna go out and
Speaker 2: command a ton of money, then maybe we still already
Speaker 2: have the replacement already in house.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: The other side of that is is, well, maybe we
Speaker 2: try to resent the guy before he goes out and
Speaker 2: blows everybody away this year, and then we get him
Speaker 2: for pennies on the dollar. See what I'm saying.
Speaker 21: Yeah, I think that. I don't. I don't think having
Speaker 21: Marte is an excuse to not keep Douger. I don't
Speaker 21: see like a problem with having you know, two really
Speaker 21: like elite safeties. But I guess I think that's kind
Speaker 21: of what Bill wanted to do, like in a lot
Speaker 21: of places with this draft, where he kind of outside
Speaker 21: of Gonzales in the first round, he really drafted for
Speaker 21: needs for next year, like White, Martin Marte obviously, and
Speaker 21: then City, Sow and MASSI were there certain like non
Speaker 21: needs that are going to help a team in three,
Speaker 21: but more or less like going forward instead.
Speaker 7: Of for now.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, guys, you want to comment on that
Speaker 2: either way?
Speaker 7: No, I think I agree, And that's part of why
Speaker 7: I like the map Who pick so much. I think
Speaker 7: he adds this very similar presence to Dugger. He's versatile,
Speaker 7: he goes all over the field, he's fast, he can cover,
Speaker 7: he can rush the passer. I think he's a great addition.
Speaker 7: And I think if you have mop who gro out
Speaker 7: this year, he plays a good game. You can point
Speaker 7: to him and be like, you know, yeah, we want
Speaker 7: to pay you dugger, But we also got this guy
Speaker 7: doing this, and that can bring Darker's value down a
Speaker 7: little bit, you know. So I think I think Mapu
Speaker 7: is a great pick for so many reasons. And I think, yeah,
Speaker 7: Owenu is a huge to keep. He's one of the
Speaker 7: best guards in the league. His pro football focus is
Speaker 7: off the charts, and he can play all over the line.
Speaker 7: He's hugely valuable, especially on a really thin line right now.
Speaker 7: So I think it's yeah. I would hope they would
Speaker 7: get something done under the table, not a lot of fanfare.
Speaker 7: It would be nice to move forward this year, especially
Speaker 7: having him signed, knowing he's a key piece of a
Speaker 7: line because the line is so shaky right now, so
Speaker 7: having him secured for a few years, I think it's huge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anybody else want to chime in on that one? No,
Speaker 2: you're good with that? Shall share anything else?
Speaker 12: I don't.
Speaker 21: I know a lot of people in the first hour,
Speaker 21: like the panel was pretty negative about like how the
Speaker 21: record's gonna.
Speaker 2: Be what the what the hell will they know? They're
Speaker 2: just a bunch of kids.
Speaker 21: Yeah, I'm definitely closer to you, John, I think it's
Speaker 21: probably I think eleven and eleven and six is a
Speaker 21: bit over zealous, but I think it's I'd be stunned
Speaker 21: if we got left and eight wins, So I think
Speaker 21: it's probably a nine or ten win win team for
Speaker 21: this year.
Speaker 2: Well, if you want to make the postseason, you'd better
Speaker 2: be a ten. Yeah, yeah, you'd better. You'd better be
Speaker 2: a ten.
Speaker 21: I think the problem is going to be the the
Speaker 21: AFCs is I think too good. So I think we'll
Speaker 21: have a winning record.
Speaker 12: I don't know.
Speaker 21: I'm I don't know about the playoffs, so I think
Speaker 21: it might be pushing it because I just if we
Speaker 21: if we had ended up signing or trading for like
Speaker 21: a legit like threat in the passing game, I'd be
Speaker 21: feeling much more confident. But I like Juju, I like
Speaker 21: Kendrick Bourne, like I think they're good second and third receivers.
Speaker 21: But I don't know nobody. I don't think anybody outside
Speaker 21: of Ramandre on the Patriots, like in our passing game
Speaker 21: with Scar anybody.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why I actually wanted them to go out
Speaker 2: and get Dalvin Cook. I was very and have been
Speaker 2: very much a proponent with that, because I think he
Speaker 2: could be that kind of guy, that change of pace guy,
Speaker 2: that could be, you know, the backup to Remondre if
Speaker 2: he's willing to accept that role. And we don't know that,
Speaker 2: but clearly he knows how to catch and run with
Speaker 2: the football, and I think that would be dynamic in
Speaker 2: the offensive backfield if they decided to go that route.
Speaker 2: And it sounds to me like you're kind of like me, Sage.
Speaker 2: I really wanted them to go out and get d
Speaker 2: Hop and they just, you know, for whatever reason, he
Speaker 2: just wasn't gonna fit here. And I think we can
Speaker 2: probably all really kind of see the forest for the
Speaker 2: trees on that one and just say, you know, and
Speaker 2: been a great practicer and blah blah blah, and there's
Speaker 2: this mutual admiration society between him and Bill and YadA YadA.
Speaker 2: But you know, dude, if he's not a practice and
Speaker 2: you know, you got to practice here. If you don't
Speaker 2: buy into the Patriot way, we don't want you. And
Speaker 2: that's just the way it is, right.
Speaker 21: I don't see how Phil and a guy who basically
Speaker 21: takes every Wednesday off are gonna mash that well out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, now it's different if you have a mutual
Speaker 2: understanding you're taking a day off because they're trying to
Speaker 2: keep you healthy, that I think is a completely different story.
Speaker 2: But I think everybody, when you first come to a
Speaker 2: team for the first time, you got to show that
Speaker 2: you willing to bust some tale. All right, come in
Speaker 2: here and bust some tale, and then maybe you get
Speaker 2: a favor or two if you need it, especially if
Speaker 2: you're you know, if you need to stay healthy for
Speaker 2: the long haul, because you've got extraordinary talent that your
Speaker 2: team needs out on the field.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: So, I just don't know. If it was a fit,
Speaker 2: I would loved it. But you know, right now, to me,
Speaker 2: I think they're pretty good at widout. Could they use
Speaker 2: somebody else? Well, yeah, I can always use it, But
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that you know anybody they could really use.
Speaker 2: You know, is any is that much better from an
Speaker 2: availability standpoint that is going to be able to beat
Speaker 2: out who they already have. To me, I'd like to
Speaker 2: see them go out and get a guy like Cook
Speaker 2: and see if they can't make it a little bit
Speaker 2: better with the offensive backfield. I think that will be
Speaker 2: a dynamic option for them should they decide to go
Speaker 2: that route.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I fully agree with you. I think
Speaker 7: Cook does add that layer of like a dynamic, explosive
Speaker 7: guy on this offense. And if you're a defensive coordinator
Speaker 7: looking at this team, like who do you who are
Speaker 7: you scared about? Who are you game planning around? There's
Speaker 7: not that guy? Yeah, and I think you know, yeah,
Speaker 7: you can say what you want about how de hopo
Speaker 7: and messed with Patriots culture if you have him on
Speaker 7: your team and you're a defensive opposing defensive coordinator. D
Speaker 7: Hops the guy that you're afraid of, right, He's the
Speaker 7: guy you're planning around. And I think Kendrick Bourne and
Speaker 7: Juju are a great wide receiver twos and they're great
Speaker 7: to compliment a guy like d Hop and that opens
Speaker 7: up the game from back to find them and get
Speaker 7: them underneath and all that. So I think you do
Speaker 7: feel better about this team with d Hop And that's
Speaker 7: what kind of frustrated me when we weren't able to
Speaker 7: land them, because now I'm looking at this team and yeah,
Speaker 7: we got some good death, but who are you playing around?
Speaker 7: Who's explosive on this team? You don't have that guy?
Speaker 2: Right all right back to the phones. Jody's in Atlanta. Hey, Jody,
Speaker 2: you're in the playbook.
Speaker 3: Hey, what's going on, guys?
Speaker 2: How you doing?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Doing good.
Speaker 3: I just had a couple of points I wanted to
Speaker 3: bring up. One of the things that you guys talked
Speaker 3: about in the first hour was Bill Belichick on the
Speaker 3: hot seat. Personally, I do not want to see that whatsoever.
Speaker 20: I want to Uh, people don't talk about the flip.
Speaker 3: Side of it of him breaking the record with another team.
Speaker 3: I just don't want to see that, you know. I'd
Speaker 3: rather stick out, even if we have a couple of
Speaker 3: rough seasons, go ahead and solidify that. In Plus, nobody
Speaker 3: knows more football than Bill Belichick.
Speaker 20: He's a terrible.
Speaker 3: GM if everybody that and I don't really like his
Speaker 3: uh you know, draft sticks typically these last, you know,
Speaker 3: a couple of seasons or so. But I mean, this
Speaker 3: year was pretty good. But I just I don't want
Speaker 3: to see him go anywhere until that record is broken.
Speaker 3: I'd rather I'd rather just have him with us, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And then as far as like
Speaker 3: everybody just is going ahead and just given the Jets
Speaker 3: the pedestal of just like they're gonna be this stuff team.
Speaker 3: Everybody also thought that the division with the Raiders and
Speaker 3: the Chiefs and the Broncos, that was going to be
Speaker 3: the loaded division, and he got the Chargers too, but
Speaker 3: that didn't pan out that way. That's the vision ended
Speaker 3: up not being that tough. Yeah, And I can totally
Speaker 3: see that happen with the Jets just kind of falling through.
Speaker 3: I think Buffalo took a step back. So I mean,
Speaker 3: anything can happen.
Speaker 2: Okay, any thoughts, guys one way or the other. I mean,
Speaker 2: anybody want to agree, anybody want to disagree? What do
Speaker 2: you think?
Speaker 11: What do you think, Charlie Well, I think this is
Speaker 11: really the season that everything should come together for the
Speaker 11: new era of the Patriots post Brady. We've gotten a
Speaker 11: couple of years. I think they outperformed expectations by making
Speaker 11: playoffs that first year with rookie mac Jones. But now
Speaker 11: new offensive coordinator, and we got a bunch of leaders
Speaker 11: like Matthew Slater and David Andrews who are just tired
Speaker 11: of losing and they want to get back to their
Speaker 11: winning ways. So I think this is the season where
Speaker 11: it all comes together.
Speaker 2: All right. I like that, Zach, what do you think?
Speaker 19: I agree with everything Charlie just said, and I think
Speaker 19: this is one of the years post Brady where mac
Speaker 19: Jones doesn't have too much of an excuse, where if
Speaker 19: he doesn't perform to a high level, he doesn't have
Speaker 19: as much of an excuse. This year, he has guys
Speaker 19: he can throw to more than he has in the
Speaker 19: past couple of years. And I think this is one
Speaker 19: of the years where we could see the most elite
Speaker 19: Mac Jones, but he doesn't have an excuse to fall
Speaker 19: back to if he doesn't perform this year.
Speaker 2: Okay, maya any thoughts. You've been smiling through all of this,
Speaker 2: so I know you got something there.
Speaker 4: I agree that I think mac Jones is probably going
Speaker 4: to do better this year, also with a new offensive coach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's big. I think having that you know,
Speaker 2: somebody who knows how he feels, knows how he acts,
Speaker 2: knows his tendencies, you know, just knows him period.
Speaker 12: You know.
Speaker 2: I mean there is a working knowledge there between the
Speaker 2: two even though they never coach played at Alabama together,
Speaker 2: but there is still that familiarity, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I think I think one thing that Jody,
Speaker 7: sorry to cut you off there, but one thing you
Speaker 7: touched on was that the division might not pan out
Speaker 7: the way people expected, the way it did with the AFC. Westlester,
Speaker 7: I can totally see that that's very feasible. I mean,
Speaker 7: the Dolphins have struggled a lot with health issues over
Speaker 7: the past couple of years. Aaron Rodgers, I mean, I
Speaker 7: know he's great. I know he's got a great history,
Speaker 7: But you'd be lying if you said he wasn't a
Speaker 7: little crazy these days. He wasn't a little he wasn't
Speaker 7: a little off the rails these days, and you're lying
Speaker 7: to yourself or you're lying to somebody else. But so
Speaker 7: I think there's a very real chance that we could
Speaker 7: see the Jets the Dolphins like not not play the
Speaker 7: way that we think we expect him to be, not
Speaker 7: be this juggernaut that we're all seeing them for. I
Speaker 7: think you're right, there's a chance this division doesn't pan out.
Speaker 7: I don't know if it's a high chance, but I
Speaker 7: wouldn't say it's not existing. There is there is a
Speaker 7: possibility this division is not what we think it is.
Speaker 7: And if that's true, and the Patriots played what we
Speaker 7: think they can, there's a chance that they can blow
Speaker 7: people away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jody, what do you think what else you got?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was also gonna say, I mean, we all
Speaker 3: know having a number one receiver is gonna be like
Speaker 3: extremely helpful for the team. But the other flip side
Speaker 3: to that is, I guess there's nobody that the defensive
Speaker 3: coordinators are scared of. But that also gives Bill O'Brien
Speaker 3: just like versatility to kind of game plan week to
Speaker 3: week and the defense not necessarily gonna know which direction
Speaker 3: you're gonna go, because I mean, like credit to the
Speaker 3: Cam Newton gear. I mean, that roster was terrible and
Speaker 3: they still were able to squeak out that many wins.
Speaker 3: I think it was seven wins that season. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: I mean they actually have a NFL roster at the
Speaker 3: receiving corpse.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: I mean they may not be the number ones that
Speaker 3: some of the other teams have, but they have NFL receivers.
Speaker 3: So Bill o brian's gonna be able to scheme people open,
Speaker 3: he's gonna be able to make plays and that maybe
Speaker 3: other coordinators might not be able to do with those
Speaker 3: kind of players. So I don't know, there's always that
Speaker 3: upside to it too. It's just a little bit of
Speaker 3: being able to camouflage, which's gonna do every week.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, so what do you think so you're a
Speaker 2: little bit more optimistic in terms of the one loss
Speaker 2: record as well? Let me ask you another question so
Speaker 2: I can lead into the guys with this one. Do
Speaker 2: you think coach Belichick is on the hot seat and
Speaker 2: should he be?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: I don't, I think.
Speaker 12: I mean, I think he's definitely.
Speaker 3: Under some pressure to perform, and I don't think they
Speaker 3: can go anything under seven wins without him being really
Speaker 3: on on the hot seat. If something terrible like that happens,
Speaker 3: then you know, maybe, But I think Robert Craft wants
Speaker 3: to give him the opportunity. I think Robert Craft I
Speaker 3: also would like to have that title, you know, of
Speaker 3: the most the winning his coach, and most of those
Speaker 3: wins coming with the Patriots organization, So you know, I
Speaker 3: think they give him a couple more seasons to let
Speaker 3: him try to write it out and kind of see
Speaker 3: where they go from there. And also everybody's saying, you know,
Speaker 3: get a new head coach. I just kind of say,
Speaker 3: put a name to the claim, like who do you
Speaker 3: want a new head coach who's going to be a
Speaker 3: better football coach than Bill Belichick right now, I mean.
Speaker 2: Our media, our media here seems to think that Gerd
Speaker 2: Mayo has been anointed as the next head coach. I'm
Speaker 2: not convinced to that. And I love Drudd. Okay, I
Speaker 2: love Girod. Let me let me be very clear about that,
Speaker 2: and I think he mean an outstanding coach. I'm not sold.
Speaker 2: Given the set of circumstances at the time that this
Speaker 2: comes about, I'm not sold he's the guy, And quite frankly,
Speaker 2: I think the guy right now with a little bit
Speaker 2: of an edge over everybody else is Bill O'Brien because
Speaker 2: he's got the head coaching pedigree already. And if the
Speaker 2: Patriots have the success or the kind of success I
Speaker 2: think they could have this year, I could see it,
Speaker 2: if you know, I could definitely see it.
Speaker 3: I mean offensive league and drawn Mao's defensive coach. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go away from Bill. Are you going to
Speaker 3: go with the same style?
Speaker 2: That's you now you're talking. I could see Bill becoming
Speaker 2: the head coach and Grod being his DC and getting
Speaker 2: his started that way. I could definitely see that. And
Speaker 2: I got to tell you, I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people would be very happy with that.
Speaker 7: I certainly don't hit it, and I think, say what
Speaker 7: you want about how Bill did as a GM and Hewson,
Speaker 7: that's one thing. But Bill O'Brien as a coach in Houston,
Speaker 7: he was great and he got that. Yeah, but about
Speaker 7: that Texans team to the playoffs, but they probably shouldn't
Speaker 7: have been there. I don't think they were that great. Yeah,
Speaker 7: years that he got them to the playoffs with Deshaun
Speaker 7: Watson and Hopkins while they were there, so I was like,
Speaker 7: as long as you don't give up Brian the GM roll,
Speaker 7: I'm happy with him as the head coach. He knows
Speaker 7: is the way around football. He's coached at many levels.
Speaker 7: He definitely can win in this league. He can get
Speaker 7: teams to the playoffs and frankly, a playoff Berth would
Speaker 7: make a lot of people in Mainland happier right now.
Speaker 2: Yep, Jody, thanks for the time today, buddy.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, guys have going Yep, you got.
Speaker 2: It, guys, let me just jump right into it. Then,
Speaker 2: So hot seat is he on it? And why or
Speaker 2: why not should he be on it? I'm gonna start
Speaker 2: with you this time.
Speaker 4: I don't think he's necessarily on the hot seat yet,
Speaker 4: but I do think he has a lot of pressure
Speaker 4: on him because he's made some questionable decisions, like last
Speaker 4: season having Matt Patricia as offensive coach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, what was he thinking. I mean, look,
Speaker 2: you try something, it doesn't work, then you have to
Speaker 2: go to you know, you have to have plan B
Speaker 2: and C ready to go. I don't think he had
Speaker 2: playing B and C ready to go soon enough because
Speaker 2: I don't think he expected to go as south as
Speaker 2: quickly as it did. And I think that's the biggest
Speaker 2: issue that we kind of all have with the realization
Speaker 2: that this was not a good idea. Right, Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: what do you think.
Speaker 19: Zach, I think he is on the hot seat. He's
Speaker 19: he's on the hot seat as a GM. As a coach,
Speaker 19: he's one of the greatest coaches of all time.
Speaker 2: Well, let me let me interrupt you. Then if this team,
Speaker 2: you know, because of personnel, fails short of their expected
Speaker 2: goal or their intended goal, could you see maybe this
Speaker 2: team deciding all right, Bill, you're still the coach, but
Speaker 2: we're gonna bring somebody into GM this thing.
Speaker 19: Yes, Yes, I think you know, like I was saying,
Speaker 19: he's one of the greatest coaches of all time. He's
Speaker 19: the reason why Tom Brady is where he is right now.
Speaker 19: He fully created that whole Dynasty team. But as a GM,
Speaker 19: he's made some questionable calls. You know, he's he's had
Speaker 19: a couple of good signs, right like Juju and Hunter Henry,
Speaker 19: but he's missed out on you know you said earlier,
Speaker 19: Dalvin Cook and on d Hop. He didn't go aggressive
Speaker 19: enough and he kind of pulled the plug there. And
Speaker 19: I think, as the GM, wait the end of the season, right,
Speaker 19: see how he does this season, and if the team performs,
Speaker 19: if the team makes a wild card, wait another season,
Speaker 19: see how he does. But if they miss out on
Speaker 19: the postseason this year, I think you take a serious
Speaker 19: look at other GMS, but keep him as a head
Speaker 19: coach because he's still a great head coach. He still
Speaker 19: makes good calls in the field. It's just him as
Speaker 19: a GM. I don't really see it very.
Speaker 2: Long, Charlie, what do you think?
Speaker 11: Well, I think Billichick as a GM this season, he
Speaker 11: seems to have taken a step in the right direction,
Speaker 11: bringing in O'Brien and bringing in Mike Giseki to hopefully
Speaker 11: fix the tight end position. That do what John new
Speaker 11: Smith couldn't provide us. We got tight ends, two tight
Speaker 11: ends who can play. We have Bill O'Brien who was
Speaker 11: the offensive coordinator, and Gronk and Aaron Hernandez. We're going
Speaker 11: through all of their success on the field. So I
Speaker 11: think with the system that they have with Bill O'Brien
Speaker 11: at the helm, Bill Belichick should be in line for
Speaker 11: a good season, bounce back season for the Patriots. But
Speaker 11: would Bill Belichick want to still head coach with and
Speaker 11: give up some of him?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think he would. I personally
Speaker 2: don't think he would.
Speaker 11: No, Yeah, after getting rid of his job as GM
Speaker 11: and head coach, I don't know if you'd want to
Speaker 11: stick around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Hey, if I can't do both, I
Speaker 2: don't want to do either.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know what, I can't see that I would blame him,
Speaker 2: but you know who knows. I mean, this is we're
Speaker 2: speculating here, and you know I tend to try to
Speaker 2: stay away from that. But it's fun to speculate about
Speaker 2: because I know it's been on the minds of fans everywhere,
Speaker 2: especially with the way this team is taking a little
Speaker 2: bit of a downward turn over the last three four years.
Speaker 5: Kurrent.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts, man.
Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, I kind of agree with Charlie said
Speaker 7: for the most point, and also what Zach said by
Speaker 7: his GM duties. I mean, I think it's interesting. I
Speaker 7: think the New England media tends to drum up this
Speaker 7: notion of him being on the hot seat more than
Speaker 7: it actually is. We're a little dramatic here in New England,
Speaker 7: but I mean there's been rumors coming out, Oh Craft's
Speaker 7: unhappy or yadiyada'sunhappy with Belichick. I think if being part,
Speaker 7: you know, watching the Dynasty has taught us anything, we
Speaker 7: don't really know what's going on internally in the Patriots organization.
Speaker 7: We can say we do, but for the most part
Speaker 7: that's pretty well hidden. So I think this notion of
Speaker 7: Crap being unhappy with him is a little overplayed. But
Speaker 7: do I think that he should at least be a
Speaker 7: question for how he's done into GM recently. Absolutely. I
Speaker 7: think in terms of play calling, there's nobody out there better.
Speaker 7: He's Bill Belichick. You can't fire Bill Belichick. He is
Speaker 7: the Patriots franchise. When you think of the Patriots franchise,
Speaker 7: you think of Tom Bray, you think of Bill Belichick.
Speaker 7: You don't fire that guy, you don't put that guy
Speaker 7: in the hot seat. But when you take a look
Speaker 7: at his GM duties recently in terms of not getting
Speaker 7: d Hop and you know, I think when people were saying,
Speaker 7: when you missed on d Hop, he put too much
Speaker 7: incentives in the contract, it was too incentive space, Like
Speaker 7: we have so much catnext year, we're missing on receivers
Speaker 7: cousin incentives. Like you gotta have some question marks about
Speaker 7: the team. Want to see them addressed the tackle position.
Speaker 7: They addressed it by getting Calvin Anderson. I don't know
Speaker 7: if that's the answer. So I think, yeah, if this
Speaker 7: team on the performs, you gotta look at it.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, I think Calvin and Calvin Anderson's
Speaker 2: particular instance, and I know's he's not playing right away,
Speaker 2: didn't open with camp today because of a non football injury.
Speaker 2: But they did not make the move that everyone, I
Speaker 2: think most everyone expected them to make because they're happy
Speaker 2: with what they have on the offensive line. Now whatever
Speaker 2: that says, it says. But I think they like Reef,
Speaker 2: I think they like Anderson. I think they like you know,
Speaker 2: the guys that can you know, you know, mix and
Speaker 2: match at the position. I really do, and I think
Speaker 2: that in itself is probably a signal to the team
Speaker 2: in that locker room that you know, hey, guys, we
Speaker 2: got confidence in you.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: We want you to know we're not gonna go out
Speaker 2: there and just you know, shop the farm for whatever
Speaker 2: it comes across the way because we like who we have.
Speaker 2: And I think that sometimes you need to do even
Speaker 2: though maybe the better part of valories is the discretion
Speaker 2: and you want to bring somebody in you to cover
Speaker 2: yourself a little bit. But I think that's big in
Speaker 2: terms of team building, right.
Speaker 19: Yes, I agree that it is big, and you should
Speaker 19: have confidence in your team. But at the same time,
Speaker 19: when you're when your offensive line performs as poorly as
Speaker 19: it did last year.
Speaker 8: You still need you still need to make the adjustments.
Speaker 2: Fairpoint.
Speaker 19: He like, like Kuran said, he didn't in the off season,
Speaker 19: and that's a mistake on his part. It is important
Speaker 19: to have confidence, but you also need to understand that
Speaker 19: you have to make adjustments when a part of your
Speaker 19: team performs poorly.
Speaker 2: All right, fair point, guys, Who've got a couple of
Speaker 2: minutes left here on the show, So I want to
Speaker 2: wrap it up with what you think the current greatest
Speaker 2: area of need on the roster is you know again, uh,
Speaker 2: you know today and over the next couple of days
Speaker 2: of practices. It's as I described already a couple times.
Speaker 2: If someone joined in Lake, this is really glorified OTAs
Speaker 2: there's no pads, there's no real competition, there's no real
Speaker 2: contact going on here. That won't start until next week
Speaker 2: at some point. So this is just really a continuation
Speaker 2: of what we saw transpire over the course of the
Speaker 2: spring during you know, all the organized team activities. So
Speaker 2: we kind of know, but do we really know where
Speaker 2: do you identify the greatest area of need going into
Speaker 2: training camp. Let's let's start. Let's start with Charlie.
Speaker 11: Well, I'm looking at the roster, looking at the depth chart,
Speaker 11: and we the biggest gap you see is safety, where
Speaker 11: you lose Devin mccordy, and we haven't really Brian anyone
Speaker 11: to fill that role, fill that role on the field,
Speaker 11: but also in the locker room. Juan Bentley is taking
Speaker 11: over as the signal caller on the field, but we
Speaker 11: still need that veteran presence in the locker room to
Speaker 11: hold down the fort. And I think you could go
Speaker 11: out and find someone who can do both in the
Speaker 11: Devin mccorty type role.
Speaker 7: Just to say, Charlie, I think I completely agree with you.
Speaker 7: I think we're gonna see a lot this year how
Speaker 7: much not having mccordy is gonna impact this team. I mean,
Speaker 7: he was the quintessential leader. And one thing about Devin
Speaker 7: McCarty is he was never in the wrong place on defense.
Speaker 7: That guy knew more football than almost anybody on the planet.
Speaker 7: So I think the loss of him is gonna be
Speaker 7: really noticeable when we look at that secondary this year.
Speaker 7: So he's not an easy guyer of place, but yeah,
Speaker 7: we need to get that done.
Speaker 5: I agree.
Speaker 2: What about you?
Speaker 5: Then?
Speaker 7: I think it goes back to the conversation we just had.
Speaker 7: I think offensive tackles our greatest weakness, and I think
Speaker 7: you're right. He didn't make move because he's happy with
Speaker 7: the personnel that he has. I'm not gonna sit here
Speaker 7: and say I know more football than Bill Belichick because
Speaker 7: that's just goofy. But to me, when I look at
Speaker 7: that team, I look at the depth chart, look at
Speaker 7: the tackles, Anderson Rife, whoever they're rotating McDermott out there,
Speaker 7: I think I saw Bill Murray was getting starting reps
Speaker 7: to day and training camp. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 7: know if I trust that. I don't know if I
Speaker 7: trust that. I was I was hoping to see him
Speaker 7: address that need in the first round. I'm very happy
Speaker 7: the Christian Gonzalez pick, and then I was like, Okay,
Speaker 7: we're gonna address it in the second round, and then
Speaker 7: we did it, and that kind of had me asking
Speaker 7: some questions, right, like is is this the right answer here?
Speaker 7: Like should we just go with Keyong White? Should we
Speaker 7: trust the position? I don't know. From the outside looking in,
Speaker 7: I think tackle, it'll be interesting to see how it shakes, Okay, Zach.
Speaker 19: I agree with Charlie and Kerrent, and I think possibly
Speaker 19: it could also be wide receiver. I mean, you're putting
Speaker 19: your trust in Takwon Thornton, Booty and Juju, right, and.
Speaker 2: Juju we haven't mentioned him all show. It's Kaysehan Boody.
Speaker 2: I want to really see if this guy, you know
Speaker 2: it is worth making the pick, and can he surprise
Speaker 2: people and be the expected, you know, expected big play
Speaker 2: guy that you know they thought he was at LSU.
Speaker 19: Right, right, And we've seen multiple times in history that
Speaker 19: players don't always make a smooth transition between college and NFL.
Speaker 19: So how you know Boody performed in college, that's one thing.
Speaker 19: How he performs in the NFL, it's another thing. NFL
Speaker 19: in college are two different sports. And you're also putting
Speaker 19: your trust in Juju, who has had a couple really
Speaker 19: solid seasons, but it's also had a couple pretty rocky seasons.
Speaker 19: He's a pretty inconsistent player, So it's a little tough
Speaker 19: to put a lot of trust into Juju and into
Speaker 19: Booty Booty just because you haven't seen him in the
Speaker 19: NFL yet. And I think you see at the end
Speaker 19: of the season if your wide receivers were falling up short,
Speaker 19: that's one of your main things you have to fix
Speaker 19: in the off season. But there is also a very
Speaker 19: real possibility that that's one of their big strengths at
Speaker 19: the end of the season as well.
Speaker 2: Maya Canna saved the best from last year.
Speaker 6: I agree with Zach.
Speaker 4: I do think that wide receiver is something that needs
Speaker 4: to be like dealt with kind of we have Juju,
Speaker 4: and I'm hoping that we use Kendrick Bourne more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's that's gotta
Speaker 2: be a universal, like we get the guy, get the
Speaker 2: guy the ball, let him show what he can do.
Speaker 2: I mean, he was so upset last year, right, and
Speaker 2: we talked about that earlier today. But you know, clearly
Speaker 2: there were some issues there because he didn't like the
Speaker 2: way it was going. But now that you got somebody
Speaker 2: who we all considered legit in there doing it, all right,
Speaker 2: let's see what the guy's got. Does he have some
Speaker 2: of the chops left? Can he play? Can he catch
Speaker 2: canny score? Can he playmate? Can he do in all
Speaker 2: of this stuff? Yeah, let's get the ball in his hands.
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that one. Okay, guys, thanks, really
Speaker 2: good work today, Thank you, very good work. All right,
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