WEBVTT - What Do I Feed My Kid? w/ Talia Moore 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:08.960 Hi everybody, and welcome back to Katie's crib. In this episode, 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:12.720 I'm very excited because we're talking about food, which was 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:18.000 a very crazily and weirdly stressful thing to me. Transitioning 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:22.200 to solid foods for Albie and for me was super stressful. 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:25.360 And I feel like parents and moms, obviously they want 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:27.440 to give their child the best, the tastiest, the most 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:30.480 nutritious meals, and I was so overwhelmed. I didn't know 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:33.040 where to start. Do you go with prepackaged baby food? 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:34.960 Do you go the d I Y route and you 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:39.839 make it yourself. I have this wonderful friend named Talia 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:42.000 Moore who is sitting here with me, and we actually 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:47.600 first met because you taught my baby class. Yes, childbirth education. Yes, 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:54.120 Talia taught me child birth education at Beanie Birth, which 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:56.760 is this awesome. I don't even know how you would explain. 0:00:57.200 --> 0:00:59.560 I say it's a BITH center or center of BITH 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:03.920 because selectation consultant, there's midwives, there's mommy and made classes. 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:06.840 And you are also a dueler, right yes? Whoa Okay, 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:10.160 So Talia is very knowledgeable on babies. You're also a 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:12.800 mom yourself. I am how old is your daughter. She's 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:16.920 three And if you notice, guys, Talia has a very 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:20.760 sexy accent. Where are you from, Dahlia, very far down 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:28.000 South Australia. Where in Australia Melbourne? Amazing? And does your 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:31.520 daughter have like the coolest Australian name ever? What is it? No, 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:38.560 it's Miami, It's it's Hebrew and hinder what the Hebrew 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:42.120 is made? The Hindu is my husband? What say the 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:47.319 name again? Miyami Mayani? That is freaking beautiful. Um, you 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.360 guys should all know that. On top of Tally Moore 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:52.480 being a very fancy teacher and doula at beany birth, 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:55.400 she also is the owner of Tummy Time, which is 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:57.720 spelled t h y n e. We're going to put 0:01:57.720 --> 0:01:59.840 a link to it on cribs notes, where she makes 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:03.400 and crafted baby food delivered to families and guys, let 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:07.120 me tell you, Talia has a stand at the Studio 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.560 City farmers Market every Sunday and the line is around 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:12.680 the corner for this baby food that you make. And 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:14.440 I was like, God, I've always wanted to do an 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:18.000 episode about food because it was such a stressful thing 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:20.640 for me. And you are just the first person that 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:22.000 came to my mind to talk to you about this. 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:25.200 So let's get back. Let's get into your personal life. 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:27.760 What was your relationship with food like before you were 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:31.519 when you were a kid, Like, were you raised on 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:33.720 d I y food? Like? Did your mom make food? 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:39.880 My mom actually owned a catering company at some point um, 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:46.440 and she had a focus on Australian bush cuisine, super 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:52.240 random spices and herbs like um quandong lily pilli um, 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:56.639 not like household spices and herbs. So she very quirky 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:59.520 sense of cooking my mom has. So I grew up 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:04.600 eating really um interesting food. But also the area that 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:10.440 we live in Melbourne is very multicultural and so yeah, 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:12.320 I didn't even actually people ask me what did you 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:16.160 grow up eating in Australia. I'm like, foe, you know, 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:19.720 Thai food, Middle Eastern I don't even know exactly. I mean, 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:21.600 other than my mom's the food that my mom was 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:28.200 cooking for her catering company. It was very cultural. Yes, 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:33.720 oh that's so very yeah. So my question to you 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:37.920 is when do you switch a baby to solid foods? 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:41.720 This is very like controversial, right, what is your advice 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:47.440 on that? Well? I mean I think I think what's 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:50.640 most important. There's there's so many myths. I don't even 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:53.080 know where to start. It's a huge question. And like 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:55.160 I said, guys, and this was this is a huge episode. 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:57.600 This was super freaking stressful to me. Like once I 0:03:57.600 --> 0:03:59.520 got the breastfeeding down and I was doing that, I 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:03.040 was like a weak ship. Now we're going to solid foods, 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:05.480 Like how do you do that? And choking and like 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:08.760 diarrhea and like what's going to happen? Like I just 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:11.840 got a handle on breastfeeding or formula, whatever you're doing, 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:17.000 So when is the time? So what I would say is, 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:20.960 first of all, it depends where you live in the world. 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:26.520 So for us in the US, you know, it's it's 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.040 somewhere between sort of the four to seven month mark 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:34.200 is what pediatricians will say. Um, here's the number one myth. 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:40.120 The introduction of solids is actually a developmental milestone. It's 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:44.880 not a weight milestone. It's developmental. So for each baby 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:47.960 that's going to be slightly different. There's these myths like, oh, 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.359 I've got a larger baby, he must be hungry, he 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:53.720 needs more food. But actually larger babies often are a 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:56.280 little bit slower with those cues that say they're ready, 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:59.240 like they find it harder to hold their head up, so, 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:01.719 which is one of the really important cues you know, 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:07.160 to begin to begin food. So, um, it's a developmental milestone. 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:10.960 So things that you're looking out for include a baby 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:12.720 that can hold their head up, a baby that can 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:16.040 sit unassisted, a baby that's reaching for food showing an 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:20.040 interest in food. A baby that's using has the ability 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:22.359 to grasp an object and bring it to their hand, 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:26.120 which is called the palmer grasp, m palmer grasp. So 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:29.400 that's the baby can pick up food. And like the 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:36.120 exactly a big developmental miles that is needed for eating definitely, Um, 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:39.440 the loss of the thrust reflex where they push food 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:41.560 out of their mouth, so they need to be able 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:47.640 to swallow the food. Um. So yeah, so these these 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:51.960 are very important miles. It's crazy about this whole food 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:54.719 thing is like it's a mother sort of instinctual thing 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:58.160 where it's like if you're seeing your baby obviously sitting up, 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:00.760 you're drinking a glass of water, and the babies like 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.960 pawing at your glass like crazy and really wants to 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:06.159 try it or you know, something like that, and like 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:08.360 you said, they keep putting toys in their mouth. They 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:13.039 obviously have that palmer grasp situation. And it's also, you know, 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.680 we we get so many questions about, oh, you know, 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:18.640 my baby is not sleeping through the night, he must 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:21.159 be hungry. You know. This is around like the four 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:25.360 to six months, or let's say around four months, which 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:29.760 is actually there's often sleep. There's a little regression, but 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:32.640 that's due to a different milestone. But often people will 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:36.520 associate that with my baby needs solids. But actually you 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:39.960 should wait until your baby is showing all of these 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:44.320 cues because it's not to do with sleep. The interruption 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:47.080 of sleep or a baby waking and not being able 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:50.560 to go back to sleep is actually a baby's inability 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:53.800 to soothe themselves. It's not about food about food. Yes see, 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:55.880 I've heard a lot of this from friends around this, 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:58.080 that four month sleep aggression. Whether they're like, well, clear 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:00.080 clearly they're waking up in the night because of not 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:03.640 getting enough calories in the day. So there, let's feed them, 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.560 let's feed them, let's feed them. I personally waited till 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:09.240 six months to even try food again because I was 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:12.080 so fucking stressed out that I just kept pushing it off. 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:14.840 Like I was, like, I don't want to, and then 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:17.800 by six months I was it was much more of 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.840 an experimentation than it was eating food by any way, 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:24.200 shape form I kept and do you think that that's okay? Yeah? 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:28.040 I mean the the like the initial the initial um 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:34.160 introduction is the focus really should be on exploration and play. 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:37.760 Right Having said that, though, um, what do they say 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:40.880 before one is just for fun, you know, which is 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:44.200 somewhat true. But also from about six months of age, 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:48.120 a baby's iron levels drop, and so you want babies 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:50.640 at that point, even if they're just smearing the food 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:52.680 all over their face and getting the tiniest bit in 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.600 their mouth, great opportunity to get some of that iron 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:58.280 in there, you know, by using an iron rich food 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:04.520 like meat or leafy greens or b exactly exactly. So 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:09.720 um no, but yeah, it should be on fun and play. 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:12.320 And I think that, you know from my conversations going 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:15.880 around mommy and Me groups and chatting with parents about 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:20.480 how stressful this period of time can be. When really, 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:25.120 if you're following your baby's natural cues, it's very straightforward 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:29.000 and it should be easy, you know, But if if 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:33.800 you're feeling anxiety or stressed, your baby picks up on that, 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:37.480 and remember these first couple of years, you're really shaping 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:40.800 your child's relationship with food for life and that little 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:45.520 bit of pressure. I'm so stressed out. People keep sucking 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:49.200 telling me that, Like I mean, I literally just have 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:53.120 a peanut butter and jelly bread eating monster like this 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:56.520 kid is like like me. I eat peanut butter and 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.440 jelly sandwiches for ten years, every single day. 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So this is interesting because even 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:37.760 when I started feeding my daughter two and a half 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:41.200 years ago, when she was six months, so much has 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:44.319 changed in the information, even just in these last couple 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:49.320 of years. UM, and that's based on particularly in the US. 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:54.800 UM pediatricians and pediatric nutritionists have said, like, what's going 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:58.239 on here in America? We have such high rate of allergies, 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:02.240 we have basicity, we have of you know, um, all 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:04.480 of this going on, and yet in other parts of 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:10.680 the world exactly like WHOA. So initially, you know, you 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:13.960 were supposed to or a few years ago, you were 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:17.120 not supposed to introduce the allergens until much later. Now 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:20.040 they're saying, actually, that's one of the first things that 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:25.679 you should be doing, is introducing these allergens. Um, you know, repetitively, 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.800 you should be introducing them. So things that research has 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:33.559 changed now. The pediatric nutritions that we work with for 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:37.000 tummy time was just saying to me, you know, really 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:42.600 tell your parents variety, variety of variety, you know, keep 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.600 trying different things. It doesn't matter what you start with 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:52.319 within reason, you know, um, and start with like Y, 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:58.240 well yeah, but what did you start with? Well I 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:01.960 started with so with with my daughter. I actually initially 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:05.800 the first few weeks was pretty I'm pretty anxious by nature, 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:10.800 so so initially I was doing the and our pediatrician 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:14.000 had said, do the three one ingredient weight three days. 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:17.480 So and I love list. Explain what that is? Because 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:19.439 I did not do this. This did nothing but stress 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.240 me out. But so I was told by our pediatrician, 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:26.920 UM to introduce one singular ingredient for three days in 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:29.440 a row and then to introduce a new one for 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:34.760 three days in a row an allergic reaction to it. Correct. However, 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:39.080 I have since learned learned that, UM, a lot of 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:42.600 pediatricians don't recommend doing that anymore, and that that's not 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:45.600 the way. I didn't do that, and actually that's not 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.480 the way in which the rest of the world introduce 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:51.400 the solids, you know. So for me, I was just saying, 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:55.320 I love lists, so I like I every three days 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:58.280 I would add a new vegetable or fruit to the list. 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:00.480 So I had this long list of the order of 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:03.760 which I introduced food to Miami. For god knows what 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:07.760 reason I have this list, um. And I remember face 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:10.640 timing my sister in Australia who had a baby a 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:14.480 week after me. And you know, she my nephew same 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:18.000 age as my daughter. UM was she was holding a 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:21.000 lamb shank and he was sucking on it. Meanwhile, I'm 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:24.200 on like the third day of plain zucchini, you know, 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:28.080 and he's like sucking on this delicious you know, lamb 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:32.880 shack so um. And that just got me thinking like, okay, 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:35.120 so that it doesn't have to be this way. And 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:40.480 my family lists like peach, peach, peach, exactly, let's add 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:44.240 in peach, avocado, peach, avocado, peach avocado. Okay, let's add 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:46.040 I had friends doing that, and I was like, this 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:49.640 is so fucking stressful to me, Like I cannot, Like 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:51.640 I would give him avocado for a few meals and 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:55.400 I'm like the same. He seems happy. Okay, We're good. 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:57.880 Moving on then, like I just didn't. I was like, 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:01.520 he'll let me know if something to it. And with 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:05.440 severe allergies, you don't need to wait three days to 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:12.160 know if your child has a severe allergy, it's it's straightaway. Um. So, yes, 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.200 there are some pediatricians that are still quite conservative, but 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:20.040 a lot of pediatricians in our saying variety doesn't matter 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:25.280 what order um goes people try. What about the people 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.760 who are like, do vegetables first, because as soon as 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:29.640 you do, fruity sugar as your kids going to be 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:36.160 sugar addicted? Is that true? Well no, because a couple 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:39.080 of reasons. First of all, carrots have almost the same 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:43.880 amount of sugar as apple, so okay. But also babies 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:47.760 are naturally sweet lovers, so they're always going to go 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:51.640 towards right. So yes, So I think that that's a 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:56.880 little bit of falsity, falsehood, whatever it is, I'll take it, 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.920 because good lord, I'm like, I do have some good 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:03.600 friends who are like, you know, well, I don't think 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:06.920 it's about but you know, they don't take out the 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:08.960 apple sauce or something like that until the kid has 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:13.200 gotten through, you know, started the meal with some vegetables 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.040 and maybe like a protein of some sort, and then 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:19.200 have a because as soon as they even see the 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:22.560 apple come out, it's like everything else goes on the floor, 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:27.120 which is like, hey, I get it. I rather the 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:31.120 apple too. Um can you tell us about tummy time? Yes, 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:36.040 Tommy time is delicious. I warn you all that adults 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:39.560 will like it as well, thank you. Um So, So 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.880 Tommy Time sort of happened by chance. I was I 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:47.080 was in a mummy and me group, um which around 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:50.840 six months of age, and each week the woman that 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:52.760 was laid in the class would ask us all to 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:54.640 share what we were feeding our kids, because we were 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:58.640 all at that sort of introduction of solid stage and 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:02.200 wake after wake would go around and parents were like, 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:04.080 you know, the moms were like, I don't know, I'm 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:08.120 doing avocado again. There was one mom who was so 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:14.480 anxious about um nitrates and so anxious about um what 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.000 to feed her kid that was appropriate that she was 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:22.040 just buying prepackaged jars of like carrot, pre package jars 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:25.680 of like beans and stuff like that. UM. And then 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:27.760 I would share what I was making. And I was 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:34.000 making I was like roasting plums with ginger and like 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:36.160 there was it was at the time it was I 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:39.640 think there were cherries and I was. I was, yeah, 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:41.960 I was roasting chairs. I was. It was just so 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.000 yum what I was making. And I think as as 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:45.760 we would go around the circle and I was sharing 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.840 these delicious meals, she would have one bite, I would 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:53.440 have one bite, and it was this shared experience. UM. 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:56.280 So one of the moms shout out to Ginger actually 0:16:56.320 --> 0:17:00.880 said to me, UM begged me if if I would 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.960 double batch what I was making, because she wasn't into 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:07.760 cooking and didn't have time she was working. So I 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:11.280 so I started, after a couple of weeks of sort 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:13.720 of encouragement from the other moms, I started sending out 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.720 an email of what I was planning on making for 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:19.399 Miami that week, that I'd gotten the product I had 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:22.240 gotten from the farmer's market, um, and they would send 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:26.240 back their orders. So I would cook during the week. 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:30.120 And my way of cooking enough food for everybody and 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:34.520 having it still you know, um, fresh and good was 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:36.399 to freeze it so that they could come pick up 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:39.640 their little bags of cubes um and take it home. 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:43.760 And my husband, you know, also Australian loves his liquor, 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:47.679 had a lot of whiskey ice cube trays, so I 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:54.760 was so I was freezing in whiskey ice cube trays um, 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:57.199 and then on a Sunday all these families would come 0:17:57.240 --> 0:18:01.000 and collect their food for the week. Um. And then 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:03.840 within a few months I was feeding multiple mummy and 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.080 me groups and I got too much. We actually my 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:08.639 husband said to me, I'm pulling the park. I'm going 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:10.440 to start dropping the food off because I don't want 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:14.920 all that. It was too many people, people, families coming 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:18.080 and it was lovely. It was very community and beautiful. 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:19.440 But they got a point that it was like we 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:22.600 wanted to go do something and we had people waiting 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:26.240 for people to come and cuck their food. So so 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:29.960 Timmy time really began that way. Um, And really the 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:35.480 whole concept of it is that baby food should be delicious. 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:41.159 You know, babies are exposed. This is so cool. Babies 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:47.159 are exposed to their first tastes whilst in utero. So 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:50.200 what a mum's eating, The spices and herbs that she's 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:53.880 eating are actually flavoring her amniotic fluid. So in India, 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:58.240 these babies are experiencing curry and tumeric and ginger and 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:02.520 asad fotida and like all these some spices. Um, and 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:05.960 then they're born, they go to mom's breast and mom's 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:08.439 breast milk is then flavored with what she's eating. They're getting, 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:10.520 you know, notes of garlic and all of this stuff. 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:14.520 So we go from flavor flavor flavor to you get 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:19.120 carrots steamed for three days carrot. You know it's it's 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:24.879 it's like these babies have taste buds, you know. So Um, 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:28.520 when we when we decided to really make this a business, 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.680 we went and tried some of the really highly processed 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.760 jars and I couldn't even like, no offense, but I 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:37.080 don't want to eat some of that stuff. It just 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.960 wasn't palatable to me. So if I'm not going to 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:42.920 eat it myself, how can I, in good conscious conscience 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:44.840 give it to my child? And I'm not even talking 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:47.760 about the fact that these are highly processed, you know, 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:51.800 and that you're you're you're raising your child or you're 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:56.160 you're teaching your child that highly processed food is the norm, 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:59.480 which you know, it's there for a reason, but it shouldn't. 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:02.119 It's not the gold standard because not only is it 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:07.760 culturally bland, there's no asafatida or ginger in baby food 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:10.679 jars that are sitting on a power to sitting on 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:15.320 a shelter for a few years. Um, there's no texture transition. 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:19.520 So you know, um, this is going to take me 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:23.280 off on a whole other other route. But um, you know, 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:28.400 babies have to transition into different into into chunkier textures 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:31.840 to the smoothest you guys know, they start with the 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:34.800 smoothest baby food that's almost like a liquid still, and 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:39.000 then gradually you get chunkier and chunkier and chunk here 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:43.320 until they're learning how to swallow a truly solid not blended. 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:46.040 That's if you're doing spoon feeding. But if you're doing 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:50.840 baby lead wedding, they yeah, so bait so they know. 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:52.600 I don't mean to say they, but I mean in 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:58.200 baby lead weaning, Um so baby letters, I'm saying food 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:02.520 is the biggest fucking overwhelming thing. This almost killed me. 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:04.960 I read the baby lead waning book. I was scared, petrified, 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:07.919 but it's what I did, Thank God. Well, if you 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:10.600 if you're going to do the baby lead waning route, 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:13.720 you need to educate yourself on the difference between choking 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:16.480 and gagging, because it's actually very normal for babies to gag. 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:18.800 And it's good because then they learned next time, Oh, 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:21.720 I'm going to be more careful. Baby lead weaning is 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:24.800 essentially like instead of going up in baby jar, okay, 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:27.800 so baby jars, the ones that are on shelves are 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:30.120 leveled in numbers one, two, three, four, five, six as 0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:32.119 far as their level of chunky is concerned, so that 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:34.280 the baby is slowly learning how to swell. I had 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:36.120 a lot of mom friends have to do that because 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:38.760 they were completely They loved the idea of baby lead waning, 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:42.320 which essentially means you give the baby adult food and 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:45.240 they like kind of non it and teach themselves. I mean, 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:47.800 I gave him a broccoli that's a certain you can 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:50.000 read the book. We'll put a link to it baby leaning, 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:51.960 but they hold a broccoli head and they sort of 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:54.960 learn how to chew it. And And my mom flipped out 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:57.760 that I was doing this, like so upset when I 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:00.879 give them a banana to just eat himself. Like she 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:02.600 was like, he's going to choke, He's going to die. 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:04.800 This is a nightmare. Now. The first couple of times 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:09.560 he coughed something up, I was like shaking, so scared. 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:12.600 But you're right, it was probably only three or four 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:14.600 times he ever did that, and then he learned how 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:17.480 to like never choke. He learned what he could do. 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:22.159 Is that I mean, I mean no I did. I 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:25.120 didn't do baby led weaning the first time. Well I've 0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:27.679 only had one time, so I asked me after the second. 0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:31.800 But but because I'm anxious, you know, by nature, with 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:34.440 a lot of my friends, and you know, I mean 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:40.360 my sister was doing that, That's why exactly. But so 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:42.879 here's the thing, and it's the same with when I 0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:45.879 teach child with education classes and we talk about labor. 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:50.159 It's the same thing with you know, solids, do what 0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:53.560 is going to make you feel most at ase, because 0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:57.520 that's going to create the most positive outcome. And ultimately, 0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:00.479 who cares if you did pure as your cares, if 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:02.720 you did baby lead waning. Your kid's not going to remember, 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:05.359 but your kid will remember the energy that was around 0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:08.679 that meal, and they will remember your face. You know, 0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:11.720 if you're sitting there looking petrified, your child is taking 0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:14.760 that on, you know. But if you're totally at ease, 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:19.639 no matter what method or approach you take, your child 0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:23.359 is absorbing that and taking that on. And ultimately, what 0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:25.680 what is the end goal here? The end goal here 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:32.720 is we're raising a human being that loves food relationship 0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:35.639 and has yeah and has a wonderful relationship with food. 0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:39.920 And that begins from the start, you know, And it's 0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:43.919 a very important legacy as a parent, you know, to 0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:50.360 to get your child off on the right foot. Now, 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:53.359 I've definitely been in this situation which we talked touched on, 0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:58.560 like you know, the prepackaged processed foods at the grocery store. 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:03.359 I mean, we have one ent relied on that many 0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:06.520 a time. Like, you know, even though he was on 0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:09.479 solid foods, there were days where his teeth were all 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:12.080 coming in and he was like literally would bite down 0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:14.240 and scream his head off, And so I would grab 0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:16.159 one of those packets, you know what I mean, And 0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:19.240 he would eat vegetables that way because I definitely was 0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:21.040 not someone that was going to grind up a zuoki. 0:24:21.200 --> 0:24:23.280 I don't cook. Let's let's just let that be known 0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:25.439 Katie's crib listeners. I do not look I do not 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:28.320 know how, um, but I am definitely a lying at 0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:32.000 tummy time at Studio City Formers Market. But so, what 0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:34.440 are some of the red flags for people to look 0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:38.720 out for? Like if if those sort of packets or 0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:40.600 jars are the way that you're deciding to go, that's 0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:43.600 the least amount of anxiety for you, or you're in 0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:45.240 a bind and it's not a staple, but you do 0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:47.480 use them once in a while. What what are the 0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:50.399 red lakes? What are the red flags? So before I 0:24:50.440 --> 0:24:52.560 answer that question, I just want to say, like I 0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:58.080 also use them, absolutely no shame in using them. Please. Um. 0:24:58.119 --> 0:24:59.960 You know, I have people coming up to the Famber's 0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:02.439 ark and they're like, oh, I feel terrible. You know, 0:25:02.480 --> 0:25:05.919 all my kid eight this week was processed stuff, and 0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:09.360 I'm like, you've fed your child. Good for you. You're 0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:11.840 fucking awesome. Like, go to be proud of yourself. You know, 0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:14.800 they're there for a reason, and they're awesome in a pinch, 0:25:15.240 --> 0:25:20.239 you know. Um, yes, I do think that they're not 0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:23.359 the gold standard, but absolutely we all use them in 0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:26.280 a pinch and that's what they're They're great. Forum. I 0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:32.239 would say it comes down to information and education. In 0:25:32.359 --> 0:25:36.120 order for a carrot from the farmer's market to survive 0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:39.639 two years on a shelf, something had to happen to 0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:44.800 that carrot. Okay. So so even if it says organic 0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:49.159 on that pouch or whatever, if that if it's not 0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:54.159 in a refrigerator and it's two plus years old, something 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:57.320 happened to that sweet little carrot. Okay. So it's just 0:25:57.520 --> 0:26:01.640 understanding that the further or a a food is from 0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:07.800 its original form, the more present, the more processed it is, 0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:13.800 the more processed, the less amount of nutrients. Okay. So 0:26:13.960 --> 0:26:17.520 at this very young age, when babies have such small tummies, 0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:22.120 it is really important that they are getting a good 0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:26.760 quality or or enough of those key nutrients. So, coming 0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:29.680 back to your question red flags what to look out for. 0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:37.480 My suggestion is, you know, um, choose choose pouches that 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:41.240 are not just fruit and vegetables. Choose ones that have 0:26:41.560 --> 0:26:44.760 an animal protein in it, or a grain or a legume, 0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:50.040 something that's a little bit more um wholesome. You know, 0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:53.679 there's more nutrients in there for the baby. Um, have 0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:57.119 a look at the ingredients lists. This is something that like, 0:26:57.280 --> 0:27:04.000 totally honestly, working in food manufacturing, now I am fairly 0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:11.040 horror f you are seeing behind the curtain. It is. Well, 0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:15.119 it's just amazing how you can hide information, you know, 0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:18.359 or or not even just hide. It's kind of in 0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:22.800 pure in plain sight, but you don't realize. You know, 0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:27.720 some of the pouchers and jars they have, like their 0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:32.440 ingredients will say, you know, apple pure a rather than 0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:37.359 just apple. So what that tells me is that was 0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:41.600 probably purchased from another country or elsewhere in big vats 0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:43.960 of premate pure a, and they've just repackaged it and 0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:48.120 mixed it into their own container. So now again we're 0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:52.240 talking about how far away this apple is from its 0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:57.800 original form so far so you know, um, so yeah, 0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:00.679 coming back to no shame. I certainly have used them 0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:05.600 in a pinch, but um, you know, not the gold standard. 0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:07.639 If you do have to use them, try and find 0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:10.800 one that has a variety of flavors and has something, 0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:18.160 you know, either a protein leg being yeah something. Yeah, 0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:20.159 that's really good to know what. The other thing I 0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:23.040 just want to throw out is the puffs. We see 0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:26.880 a lot of babies eating the puffs. Choose those parts 0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:29.600 and they're great, you know, particularly teating babies that want 0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:34.200 to like gum something that they're great when you're buying them. 0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:38.800 Choose one that is not just a rice or a carbohydrate. 0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:41.800 You can get ones that have peanut butter or you know, 0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:45.480 like a Bumba. We go through bumbas like it's a problem. 0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:49.200 Bumbas are a traitor Joe's. They're incredibly affordable. They're a 0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:55.000 peanut butter flavored cheeto, sourly processed. Yes, but if you're 0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:57.440 going to do it, at least it's protein and you're 0:28:57.520 --> 0:29:02.560 you're that's our plane. Go to every plane we're on, Like, 0:29:03.200 --> 0:29:05.760 you know, I bring them if we have like a 0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:09.280 restaurant out situation where he's in a high chair and 0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:10.959 I know it's going to be a minute until that 0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:13.920 food comes. I will break those bombas into like four 0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:17.360 pieces to just really keep him occupied until the fucking 0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:22.680 food gets there. But like, yeah, they're great. Yeah. Um, 0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:25.320 that's good to know because it's peanut butter not just cool. Yeah. 0:29:25.360 --> 0:29:27.680 Obviously if you have if your kid has an allergy 0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:29.920 or your high a high risk of analogy, then bumbas 0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:32.000 is not for you. But just look at the ingredients 0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:34.320 and try and choose one that has more than just 0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:38.400 a carbohydrant listed as the ingredient. Can you tell me 0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:41.760 what real time is like in your family? Yes? What 0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:44.600 is it like? Do you fit together? Do you eat 0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:49.600 on like a schedule? Tell me, well, goodness, life has changed. 0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:53.440 Um wait, try and eat at the same time as 0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:56.280 our daughter, which often means if we eat out where 0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:59.080 the first people in the restaurants here where they're like 0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:02.120 four three, yeah, where they're waiting for the door start. 0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:07.400 So I'm so I mean, this is this is when 0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:10.680 you talk about like educating yourself. I'm so grateful for 0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:14.920 this business for myself because meal I think had I 0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:17.520 taken if I didn't have this information, there would be 0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:19.640 a lot of power struggles going on at this age 0:30:19.640 --> 0:30:24.360 that I don't have, which I'm very grateful for. So um, 0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:27.680 we do try and eat together as a family. It's 0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:29.800 not always possible, we do, we do it when we 0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:33.040 can do it. We eat the same food. Yes see, 0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:35.880 this is fucking huge, you guys. I've just read who 0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:38.240 just told me there's this documentary now that it's basically 0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:42.880 like the kid's menu on the restaurants is the greatest 0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:46.640 downfall of America. That like the fact that you give 0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:49.680 your child if you go out the choices for that 0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:53.040 kind of thing. Because really, what you're trying to teach 0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:56.600 my mom, for example, when she comes when I bring 0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:58.160 Albie to go visit my mom, She'll be like, what 0:30:58.160 --> 0:30:59.680 should I buy for the kid? And I'm like, just 0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:03.400 what ever we're all eating because I'm trying to hopefully 0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:06.120 teach him that, like we're all going to sit down 0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:08.160 and have this dinner that's been planned like for the 0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:10.600 whole family. I don't want to make something extra special 0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:13.040 or different for you because you don't eat X, Y 0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:16.280 or Z. I'm hoping that we can all just like 0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:18.760 eat dinner whatever that is for all of us, and 0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:23.080 that it's just healthy and whole for all of us. Um, 0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:25.520 that will probably end because I was also a child 0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:27.720 that like only a peanut butter and jelly macaroni cheese. 0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:31.560 But okay, so you are doing the same thing. So 0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:34.720 so yeah, I mean this is so Something that I 0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:40.720 read which has really changed my approach is that, first 0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:43.440 of all, don't be a short auto cook. If you're 0:31:43.440 --> 0:31:46.560 a short auto cook, meaning if your child wanted what 0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:48.120 you've put in front of them, you're going to go 0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:50.760 back to the kitchen and make something else. This is 0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:57.280 what then, please explain, So how can you then really 0:31:57.320 --> 0:31:59.320 expect that your child is going to go out of 0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:01.600 that if that become habitual, you know, like, oh, I 0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:03.400 don't have to eat this because she's just going to 0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:05.200 go get me the thing that I want. So I'm 0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:10.600 just sort mocking order. So so you want to avoid that. 0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:12.920 So here here is some So this is what we do. 0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:20.400 So I love those plates that have little compartments because 0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:23.400 it forces me to fill them all with different things. 0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:28.480 So I every meal I feel each compartment or even 0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:30.600 on a plate like just put lots of little things 0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:34.800 out of what we're eating. So one compartment might be broccoli, 0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:39.600 one might be for having bolonaise some bolonnaise. One might 0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:45.320 be chopped up carrots, chopped up tomato, avocado, some cheese, whatever. 0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:50.239 So I put that in front of her. She ates 0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:52.600 what she ates, she doesn't ate what she doesn't eat. 0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:55.680 I don't make a comment. She gets no praise, she 0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:58.440 gets no criticism. She eats what she wants to eat. 0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:04.440 Fucking ship tell you, guys, no praise. So here's the thing. Also, 0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:10.280 having given any response to what they eat, positive or negative, 0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:14.040 is not helpful. You want to stay neutral because what 0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:16.720 you're really trying to do is raise a child that 0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:21.520 can monitor their own likes and dislikes, and can also 0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:27.000 monitor their own sense of fullness and hunger. So the 0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:30.800 important thing here is to have a neutral response because 0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:34.760 then the baby themselves independently, we'll figure out what they like, 0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:36.640 what they don't like, and when they're hungry and when 0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:41.800 they're full. Correct. So by for example, I read this, 0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:44.920 I think it's from and I highly recommend guys this website. 0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:47.920 You should put it up. Will you send me? I 0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:51.000 will send you the link. It's the Ellen satur Institute. 0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:55.680 She has such amazing tips on their um Now I've 0:33:55.720 --> 0:34:02.320 gotten the tip. It's a great website. But you know 0:34:02.360 --> 0:34:05.720 what you were telling me before, which was people who 0:34:05.760 --> 0:34:10.920 grow up and can't remember meal time are the kids 0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:13.200 that are most likely to not have any sort of 0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:15.680 eating problems. You guys, what's so overwhelming. I think what 0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:19.680 was so stressful to me about the food stuff and 0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:22.080 why it's setting up their relationship with food for the 0:34:22.080 --> 0:34:26.560 rest of their life is because there's so much connected 0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:28.680 with food in this country about like you didn't finish 0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:32.560 your plate, or one more bite, or you're not allowed 0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:36.440 to leave the table until you're finished, or moms being 0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:38.600 constantly talk to me about I'm on a diet, I'm 0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:41.839 not eating this, I'm eating that, and giving their having 0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:44.680 their children really understand that sort of thing. You were 0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:47.000 telling me that there's a like people who grow up 0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:50.600 and just don't even really remember meal time or no. 0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:52.239 You were telling me that story about there was a 0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:56.400 family who always bickered around the dinner table and it 0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:59.920 was a big place for fighting, and that can relate 0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:02.640 the field. Also. See, you guys are so stressful. So 0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:05.200 I wanted to go back to what you said, which 0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:09.640 is which is so important, which is that you know 0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:12.640 the whole just have one bite, just one more bite 0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:15.719 or um, if you have one bite I'll reward you 0:35:15.760 --> 0:35:18.279 with this. So here's a lot of that in my house. 0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:20.480 So here's the problem with the just have one more 0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:24.239 bite thing. As you and I have days when we're 0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:27.760 ravenous and days when we're just not hungry, so do babies. 0:35:27.760 --> 0:35:30.400 They have days when they're going through major growth spirts 0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:32.440 and days when they're just not really very hungry, or 0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:36.600 they're teating or they feel sick. Um by you saying 0:35:36.640 --> 0:35:39.880 to your child, you need to have one more bite, 0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:43.000 what you're teaching them is external factors such as your 0:35:43.000 --> 0:35:46.640 mother know more about your sense of hunger and fullness 0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:49.560 than you do. And what you want to do is 0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:53.520 you want to teach your child to monitor their own sensations. 0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:56.680 You know, you want to empower them to say, I'm 0:35:56.680 --> 0:35:58.480 really not hungry today, so I'm not going to eat. 0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:01.080 I'm not going to force feed myself to make somebody 0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:04.760 else happy, you know. So that whole one more bite 0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:09.480 thing or praise or the praise yes you eat a bite, 0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:12.440 which I totally do. So here's the thing with that 0:36:12.880 --> 0:36:15.400 is that what you're also want to avoid as you 0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:18.360 go into the sort of picky eating phase, which you 0:36:18.400 --> 0:36:22.240 should know is actually a developmental milestone. Can you explain 0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:27.880 that to us? So, so sort of like six months 0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:31.000 to two years is the honeymoon period fit for food 0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:34.879 because babies are going through such massive growth and then 0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:39.600 from about two years it slows down. Um. And that's 0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:43.080 typically when picky eating sort of or selective eating sort 0:36:43.120 --> 0:36:47.480 of peaks. So so like your vocabulary change, we're not 0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:51.359 saying picky eating, We're saying selective eating. I know. I say, 0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:55.000 do not label your child. I mean, I try and 0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:58.600 not be judgmental, and I try and be really open. 0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:01.280 But when pairs actually this and yesterday at the farmer's market, 0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:03.560 I had a parents say in front of his kids, 0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:07.160 she's so picky, she won't need anything, um, And I 0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:10.200 was like, no, she's not p I c k y. 0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:15.640 She is selective and she you know, because that the 0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:20.200 developmental milestone is that that toddlers become neophobic, which is 0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:24.120 they have a distrust of the new. So coming back 0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:26.440 to why it's so important to give your child variety 0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:28.520 in the beginning, is that you want them to be 0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:33.040 exposed to a variety of cuisines, spices, herbs, food textures, 0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:36.600 everything so that it becomes familiar. So when they go 0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:41.440 into this neophobic stage, distrust of the new. These foods 0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:45.920 aren't new, they're familiar. So when you know, when parents 0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:48.160 say to me, I'm about to get some curry up 0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:49.480 in this house right now, because I feel like he 0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:50.840 hasn't had You were saying it, and I was like, 0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:52.520 oh God, they used to eat so much that when 0:37:52.560 --> 0:37:55.400 I was pregnant, but I really haven't given him any 0:37:55.480 --> 0:38:01.919 what the hell? So yeah, when parents well in food 0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:04.640 and Adam doesn't, so it's like, oh, we never posemate that. 0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:12.880 But like, guess what today is a new day? Oh 0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:14.880 this was a question I was dying to ask. Okay, 0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:17.799 So I love this compartment plate idea. Here's what my 0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:20.800 son does. He doesn't like it, flings it on the floor. 0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:23.480 Guess what happens. The dog eats it, The dog gets diarrhea. 0:38:23.520 --> 0:38:28.800 It's a whole. My kid is a big flinger of food. 0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:35.840 He's a big arm thrower. He loves to throw stuff, balls, dolls, toys, food. 0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:39.160 I'll put the food down. If he's into it, he 0:38:39.200 --> 0:38:42.160 will eat it. If he's not into it, he's flinging 0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:44.799 it on the floor. So our problem with the compartment 0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:48.600 plate is that it's just ends up being a lot 0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:51.640 of shipped to clean up and you know kids like 0:38:51.680 --> 0:38:53.600 he eats. Oh that's another question I wanted to ask 0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:55.640 you is how many meals a day are you doing? One? 0:38:55.760 --> 0:38:58.479 But also what do you think about my husband, which 0:38:58.480 --> 0:39:01.120 is he literally puts one thing on his blade? Is 0:39:01.160 --> 0:39:05.800 that just like insane? What complex and future problem? So 0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:09.600 coming back to those plates that I was talking about, 0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:12.239 he may be too young for that. You may. I 0:39:12.280 --> 0:39:14.720 mean at this point even just putting a few things 0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:18.120 out on that tray is perfect. Okay, great, I mean 0:39:18.239 --> 0:39:21.400 I'm just talking about as a parent, like forcing yourself 0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:25.080 to keep the variety there and you know the color 0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:26.840 of the three or four things down so that he 0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:32.080 only flings three or four so quick. So if does 0:39:32.080 --> 0:39:37.000 this happen at every meal? Okay? So when are you 0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:39.120 feeding him? Are you feeding him at the same time 0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:42.359 every day you're feeding him? Because if he's ravenous, does 0:39:42.400 --> 0:39:45.840 he still do that? No? So basically what will happen 0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:50.080 is breakfast always a dream? So great, not that much 0:39:50.080 --> 0:39:52.960 food flinging At the end. There might be food flinging, 0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:55.319 which is like when he's done, which is really not 0:39:55.480 --> 0:39:57.880 probably great that I know he's done when he's food 0:39:57.880 --> 0:40:03.240 flinging um. Breakfast will always go off a lot of times. 0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:07.440 I give him most days three meals and two snacks, 0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:10.120 because what I'll do is like he'll have breakfast and 0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:11.480 then he'll go down for a nap. When he wakes 0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:13.239 up from a nap, he'll have a little snack of 0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:16.600 like some grapes or half of clementine or you know, 0:40:16.680 --> 0:40:21.239 some of that that he'll always cruit, crush, crush anything fruit. 0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:24.480 He's never gonna flame that on the floor. Lunch, he 0:40:24.600 --> 0:40:28.040 might fling some of that snack after his second nap, 0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:30.640 he probably won't. And then later as we go in 0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:33.719 the day, it's dinner. It's it's usually the witching hour, 0:40:34.040 --> 0:40:38.600 five thirty ish five o'clock dinner. That like some of 0:40:38.640 --> 0:40:42.719 that that's being flung. He's tired, he's piste. It's witching hour. 0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:45.080 And so it's a lot of things I think is 0:40:45.120 --> 0:40:47.359 temperament or whatever. But what time does he go down 0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:50.520 for the night? Seven? So that's good. I mean that 0:40:50.760 --> 0:40:52.879 you could have you have you tried bringing the meal 0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:56.480 earlier in the day. I know I should do that well, 0:40:56.520 --> 0:41:01.360 because the other thing is that's knack and and really 0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:03.600 what I could do isn't. So if he wakes up 0:41:03.600 --> 0:41:06.600 from a second up at four o'clock, give him a 0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:08.719 bigger snap, then it's like a dinner, you know, with 0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:11.239 a proteinser like that. And then the five thirty is 0:41:11.280 --> 0:41:14.320 more like a dessert, not dessert, but in my mind 0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:17.640 it's like a smaller snack of like, well, it's so 0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:21.080 interesting because a lot of parents will give their their 0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:24.839 babies dinner right before bedtime, you know, like five thirty six, 0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:26.759 and then they do the bedtime return and put their 0:41:27.600 --> 0:41:29.600 bed kid. And I'm like, I don't really want to 0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:31.799 eat dinner and then immediately go to bed like you 0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:34.680 should be should be kind of like a few hours before. No, 0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:39.400 you know, so maybe bringing up earlier. I'm going to 0:41:39.600 --> 0:41:44.960 try that, dude, I'm going to try that, try it 0:41:45.000 --> 0:41:47.879 and say because I think I mean, obviously, when he's 0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:51.320 the most hungry is when he does well, um, well, 0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:53.400 but see this is the other thing. It's like, wow, 0:41:53.480 --> 0:41:56.799 food is so it's so wrapped up with you're a 0:41:56.800 --> 0:41:58.840 good boy, you're a bad boy type of stuff. And 0:41:58.840 --> 0:42:02.280 I think it's also like, for example, I'm going on, um, 0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:07.240 I'm going to see my family over the holidays, um, 0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:13.640 and I'm cool with him not eating everything on the plate. 0:42:13.719 --> 0:42:17.400 I'm cool with when he's experimenting and flinging food across 0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:21.040 the thing. I'm like, he's one. Whatever. Some of the 0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:23.880 older school people in my family think that that is 0:42:23.920 --> 0:42:28.120 a very bad way to mother, and so it's very interesting, 0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:29.680 you know what I mean, Like they think that I 0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:32.280 don't have control over my kid, or that's really bad manners, 0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:36.280 or you know, that's waste. You know, that's wasting money, 0:42:36.320 --> 0:42:38.560 that's wasting food. There are people starving in the world, 0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:40.680 things like that. So I really have to like put 0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:44.319 on my like mommy muscle t shirt and just like 0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:47.080 to stick to my well, this is what we do, 0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:48.440 do you know what I mean? Because I want him 0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:52.480 to have like a really healthy relationship with food, and 0:42:52.520 --> 0:42:54.879 I don't want him to ever think I'm forcing him 0:42:55.080 --> 0:42:56.640 or oh that was something I want to talk about. 0:42:56.680 --> 0:42:59.640 Two is I think it's also really hard with partners. 0:43:01.239 --> 0:43:03.960 You know that, Like I could my husband would get 0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:06.360 really stressed out when he would flings food on the 0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:09.640 floor and like would try to put stuff in his mouth, 0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:12.920 not forcefully at all, but like put stuff in his mouth. 0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:14.600 And I had to really have like a sort of 0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:16.360 you know, you pick your battles in a relationship. But 0:43:16.400 --> 0:43:17.799 it was big for me and I had to really 0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:20.279 sit down with my husband and say, I don't ever 0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:22.680 want you to put food in his mouth if he's 0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:25.360 making it very clear that he doesn't want it, I 0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:28.480 don't want that. But I bet that that's really hard 0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:31.279 for some people. I think I think it comes down 0:43:31.320 --> 0:43:34.279 and it gets frustrating. I mean, I've gotten you know, 0:43:34.280 --> 0:43:36.160 when you're down on the floor picking up your six 0:43:36.320 --> 0:43:38.799 fucking meal of the day and you're exhausted, You're like, 0:43:39.920 --> 0:43:43.719 you know, we're done. I also think people probably get 0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:45.480 really stressed out that if you don't eat, then you're 0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:49.120 going to be hungry and then you're not going to sleep. Yes, Um, 0:43:49.560 --> 0:43:55.360 is that true because that's me talking. Yeah. Yeah, like 0:43:55.400 --> 0:43:57.440 the smallest dinner ever, and like now he's going to 0:43:57.480 --> 0:43:58.920 be up at four o'clock in the morning because his 0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:02.640 stomach is gonna wake him up, like what I mean. So, So, 0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:04.960 I actually had this conversation yesterday with a moment at 0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:06.759 the market and she was saying, Oh, my kids so 0:44:06.840 --> 0:44:10.000 picky at the moment, and I just keep giving him 0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:12.040 the same thing that he wants, and then at least 0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:13.360 till eat, and I know that he's not going to 0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:15.920 wake up, And in my head, I'm thinking, you know, 0:44:16.880 --> 0:44:20.040 how is that going to change the situation you're in. 0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:24.879 I mean, you're reinforcing you know, this this difficult time 0:44:24.880 --> 0:44:28.520 and picky eating. As I said, it's a developmental milestone. 0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:34.319 But the duration and the strength of that pickiness is 0:44:34.400 --> 0:44:37.000 really going to depend on how you react to it, 0:44:37.560 --> 0:44:41.160 you know. So um, it can be pretty short lived, 0:44:41.800 --> 0:44:48.080 um and pretty easy if you just take a backseat 0:44:48.160 --> 0:44:53.200 kind of approach rather than labeling catering too, you know, 0:44:53.239 --> 0:44:56.680 and becoming a short order cook, um calling them good 0:44:56.800 --> 0:44:59.120 bad like you're a good eater or he was a 0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:03.960 bad eater today, things like that. This then becomes identity shaping. 0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:07.400 I already feel in myself and admitting my own problems. 0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:10.319 My son is small on the charts, you know, like 0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:14.239 you know, third percentile and height and sent tile and weight. 0:45:15.320 --> 0:45:17.480 So I'm always like, oh, yeah, it's fine, give him 0:45:17.480 --> 0:45:19.239 more of that crap, like fill them up, you know 0:45:19.280 --> 0:45:21.319 what I mean. Like he's little, he's a little he's 0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:23.760 a little guy. He's a little dude. So like, yeah, 0:45:23.960 --> 0:45:26.120 more dairy more, you know what I mean, Like I 0:45:26.200 --> 0:45:31.359 already feel that in my um my subconscious like I'm 0:45:31.400 --> 0:45:34.480 doing that. It's wild. And then I have friends who 0:45:34.480 --> 0:45:36.719 have really big babies who you know, they cut them on. 0:45:36.800 --> 0:45:38.560 I mean, it's really. I mean food is like I'm saying, 0:45:38.600 --> 0:45:41.000 it's really it's an interesting thing. So here's the thing 0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:45.080 on that, Um, even as a baby, even right from 0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:48.000 the start, babies can monitor their own sense of hunger 0:45:48.040 --> 0:45:50.680 and fullness. Like I was saying, Um, if a baby 0:45:50.719 --> 0:45:54.200 doesn't open their mouth to receive a spoon of food 0:45:54.239 --> 0:46:00.720 from you, your baby is saying no yah. Um. So 0:46:00.880 --> 0:46:03.520 you know, don't shove that spoon in your baby's mouth, 0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:07.080 you know, because like I said, like this is about 0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:11.000 creating a healthy relationship with food. Nobody enjoys being force 0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:14.920 fed not you know, So can we talk about the 0:46:14.960 --> 0:46:17.920 idea of food as rewards. This was big on my 0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:21.080 husband and I growing up and I and we fight 0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:23.400 it to this day. And I know this is a 0:46:23.440 --> 0:46:26.520 real thing because my husband and I similarly like you 0:46:26.600 --> 0:46:28.840 got an a, get in the car, we're going for 0:46:28.880 --> 0:46:32.600 ice cream. You know what, you didn't get into that school. 0:46:33.239 --> 0:46:35.640 The whole family is going out for like you know, 0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:38.239 t G I Friday's mozorel sticks of your favorite food. 0:46:38.280 --> 0:46:41.239 I mean this is literally like memories we have and 0:46:41.320 --> 0:46:45.880 when you're an actor, every day is like you booked it. Yeah, 0:46:46.080 --> 0:46:49.560 thirty seven drinks. Let's have like ice cream and go 0:46:49.600 --> 0:46:52.160 out to a movie and bull and then it's like, crap, 0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:54.760 you didn't get it. You didn't get the part. Well, 0:46:54.920 --> 0:46:58.400 let's just like drink and eat some garbage like whatever. 0:46:58.640 --> 0:47:00.960 My husband and I are very reward based. We were 0:47:01.040 --> 0:47:04.480 raised that way and we are like always having conversations 0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:10.080 that we don't want that. For Albie, I am people 0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:12.279 must tempt with food, Like if you go peepy on 0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:15.440 the party, you're going to get an emine. So like 0:47:15.560 --> 0:47:18.440 that one's a really good one for me to just 0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:22.840 come out and say, like, please don't do that. Don't 0:47:22.920 --> 0:47:27.319 use food as a reward. I'm trying to remember. I 0:47:27.360 --> 0:47:31.640 think it's um Cynthia Epps another great resource, and I'll 0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:35.120 send you her website and I think it's her. Forgive 0:47:35.160 --> 0:47:38.600 me if it's not. She's awesome anyway. But um, what 0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:41.439 I read about is how you know when you put 0:47:41.480 --> 0:47:44.000 snacks out one day, you'll put out you know, crew 0:47:44.080 --> 0:47:48.800 to tey, like you know, chopped up carrots and cumbers 0:47:48.840 --> 0:47:53.000 and such. The next day a bowl of cookies, chop 0:47:53.080 --> 0:47:56.799 chip cookies the next day fruit make it so that 0:47:56.840 --> 0:48:02.120 it's not hands off, you know, to make something hands 0:48:02.160 --> 0:48:06.240 off or only special occasion. Food makes it special, makes 0:48:06.280 --> 0:48:09.879 it unattainable, like make puts this like gold light around it. 0:48:10.280 --> 0:48:13.759 Whereas if it's accessible and it's just something else that 0:48:13.800 --> 0:48:18.040 you can have on occasion, you're creating a much more 0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:20.760 even playing field when it comes with your your child's 0:48:20.800 --> 0:48:25.840 relationship with different kinds of food. So coming back to 0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:28.840 what is the job of a parent. The job of 0:48:28.880 --> 0:48:31.920 a parent is not to feed your child. It is 0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:34.520 not to make your child eat. Sorry, I'm gonna say 0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:36.759 that again. The job of a parent is not to 0:48:36.840 --> 0:48:40.080 make your child eat. The job your job as a 0:48:40.120 --> 0:48:44.239 parent is to offer healthy options. So you're deciding the 0:48:44.320 --> 0:48:47.520 when and the where. Your child is deciding the weather 0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:54.239 and how much. That's the differentiation of losing control. So 0:48:54.360 --> 0:48:56.960 I know, my job is just to make sure that 0:48:57.000 --> 0:49:00.320 my child has the options, and I'm going to asked 0:49:00.320 --> 0:49:03.160 my child to decide whether they eat and how much 0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:06.799 of it um and so with rewards food, you know, 0:49:07.600 --> 0:49:11.040 if like we where I'm very health conscious and I 0:49:11.080 --> 0:49:14.440 love healthy food. I love it. It's not just I 0:49:14.440 --> 0:49:18.120 don't just do it because for a functional reasons. I 0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:22.920 really love healthy food. Um. So, mostly my child like 0:49:23.000 --> 0:49:29.160 her sweets, things like dried fruit, um, you know, things 0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:32.520 like that. Um. But when we're out in the world 0:49:33.040 --> 0:49:36.600 and occasionally at home, when there's food that other children 0:49:36.640 --> 0:49:41.240 are eating that is like chocolate, cake, ice cream, stuff 0:49:41.280 --> 0:49:44.600 like that, I always say yes because I don't want 0:49:44.600 --> 0:49:46.839 her to feel like other people can have something that's 0:49:46.880 --> 0:49:50.120 off limits to her. So yeah, I inside, I'm like, 0:49:51.520 --> 0:49:57.440 you know, I prefer she a family that was like vegan, 0:49:58.280 --> 0:50:01.760 the kids were vegan and no sugar in the household, 0:50:01.800 --> 0:50:04.520 things like that. And when the birthday started, the birthday 0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:07.960 party started rolling out, I mean, holy sh it, I 0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:10.640 didn't know what to do. I mean, like the kids 0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:14.120 are like screaming for hot dogs and like and the 0:50:14.200 --> 0:50:17.520 birthday cake and they're showing up at home like smeared 0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:19.480 with icing all over their face. And it's my fault. 0:50:19.520 --> 0:50:22.319 But it's like, what was I going to do? I mean, 0:50:22.400 --> 0:50:25.520 it's really hard, but the kids were never given it, 0:50:25.280 --> 0:50:29.359 and it's they became obsessed and you have to see 0:50:29.360 --> 0:50:32.520 it from their perspective, like what emotionally is going on 0:50:32.560 --> 0:50:35.840 with their minds when they see other children having fun, 0:50:36.000 --> 0:50:39.759 eating and enjoying something and they themselves are not allowed it. 0:50:40.239 --> 0:50:43.040 It's it's even though we we think in our minds 0:50:43.080 --> 0:50:45.680 were doing it for the right reasons, it's healthy, where 0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:48.120 we don't want them to have cavities or whatever it is, 0:50:48.920 --> 0:50:53.239 They're not reading it that way. They're saying, why this 0:50:53.320 --> 0:50:56.400 is unfair, like why can't I? And then later in 0:50:56.440 --> 0:51:01.560 life it's the switch flip, you know, They're like, suddenly 0:51:01.600 --> 0:51:03.520 I can have all these food I'm out in the world, 0:51:03.960 --> 0:51:07.680 and then they don't have these skills to monitor, you know, 0:51:07.760 --> 0:51:13.400 the amount they eat and they's off limit food. You know. Um, 0:51:13.520 --> 0:51:17.040 do you ever find like, since I'm about to be 0:51:17.080 --> 0:51:18.960 with all family and things like that, how you talk 0:51:19.000 --> 0:51:22.840 about your family's food choices with others, Like like, I 0:51:22.880 --> 0:51:25.359 think it's going to be really interesting, like how you 0:51:25.440 --> 0:51:30.200 stay strong in your goals and your relationship with food 0:51:30.239 --> 0:51:32.279 with your kids, or like you said, you're out at 0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:35.040 a birthday party and other people have other things that 0:51:35.360 --> 0:51:38.799 feel other ways than you do. That's an interesting one. 0:51:38.880 --> 0:51:41.440 I mean, we're we're about to go and baby family 0:51:41.560 --> 0:51:46.200 as well. Um, I think you know, for me personally, 0:51:46.560 --> 0:51:50.600 that shift of sort of speaking up for myself, um, 0:51:50.680 --> 0:51:54.439 for my daughter really became very strong when I gave 0:51:54.480 --> 0:51:58.920 birth to her. Because your preferences are your preferences, and ultimately, 0:51:59.239 --> 0:52:02.600 who gives a ship it if other people agree or disagree, 0:52:02.920 --> 0:52:05.359 what's most important is that you're doing what's right by 0:52:05.400 --> 0:52:10.800 you and your child. Um. So you know, I really try. 0:52:11.080 --> 0:52:14.120 I mean my family is pretty health conscious and pretty 0:52:14.120 --> 0:52:19.400 cool that way. So I mean they, no, that's very sweet, 0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:23.640 keep the compliments coming. Um No. But I mean my 0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:29.200 nephews eat way more, um, processed food than my daughter does. 0:52:29.239 --> 0:52:32.920 My sisters like really hands off, like whatever goes, Um, 0:52:33.000 --> 0:52:35.919 we're going away, and I just I'm going to take 0:52:36.000 --> 0:52:39.040 deep breaths and let her in those moments have a 0:52:39.120 --> 0:52:43.440 really great time because ultimately, I feel like, you know, 0:52:43.520 --> 0:52:45.919 if food brings if food is so much more than 0:52:45.960 --> 0:52:49.439 just like for nutrition, it like brings people together, it's joy, 0:52:49.600 --> 0:52:53.720 it's memories. Um, And so I feel like that freaking 0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:56.640 every single photo we took over Thanksgiving with my son, 0:52:56.719 --> 0:53:00.360 he's holding what's called a grandma cookie, which is in 0:53:00.480 --> 0:53:03.600 my husband's side of the family. It's a recipe that's 0:53:03.600 --> 0:53:07.239 been handed down by four grandma's. It's her great great 0:53:07.280 --> 0:53:10.520 great grandma Lena's cookie recipe. It's a short bread cookie 0:53:11.000 --> 0:53:13.880 and it means so much to his grandma's that he 0:53:14.000 --> 0:53:16.480 loves the cookie. And it's like he had to not 0:53:16.560 --> 0:53:18.960 cry in all these photos. And so I gat giving 0:53:19.040 --> 0:53:21.680 him grandma cookies and they loved that he was eating 0:53:21.680 --> 0:53:24.040 the grandma cookies in the photos. And I was like, wow, 0:53:24.320 --> 0:53:27.239 I think you've had five cookies today and now you're 0:53:27.280 --> 0:53:29.680 not going to eat anything of value. But whatever, it 0:53:29.719 --> 0:53:33.880 brought joy to everyone, including him, So it's like, what 0:53:33.880 --> 0:53:36.040 are you gonna do? At least it was homemade with 0:53:36.080 --> 0:53:39.600 like whole ingredients. And that's what I knew when I 0:53:39.719 --> 0:53:43.080 actually studied nutrition in Australia, and I remember one of 0:53:43.120 --> 0:53:47.720 my teachers talking about and she was like vegan, super clean, 0:53:47.960 --> 0:53:50.640 all of that stuff. And I remember her saying that 0:53:50.719 --> 0:53:53.680 on her birthday, her kids, her two kids, who had 0:53:53.680 --> 0:53:56.160 saved up their pocket money, had gone to buy her 0:53:56.200 --> 0:54:00.800 a box of um Burger rings. Do you have them here? 0:54:00.800 --> 0:54:04.640 They know what they're rings? No? No, they're they're I 0:54:04.680 --> 0:54:07.719 think they're Australian. They're kind of like Cheetos, but that 0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:09.719 you can fit them on your finger and eat them. 0:54:10.160 --> 0:54:14.440 Do you have that? Okay? Burger rings anyway? Um? So 0:54:14.520 --> 0:54:17.080 she said it was her birthday. Her kids ran into 0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:21.200 her room with this wrapped up gift, glowing like so excited. 0:54:21.239 --> 0:54:24.320 They've been saving up for this present on her birthday. 0:54:24.400 --> 0:54:26.880 So she opens it up and there is this big 0:54:27.160 --> 0:54:30.279 box of burger rings, which not in her life, which 0:54:30.280 --> 0:54:33.960 she usually eat. You ever, and she said, she looked 0:54:33.960 --> 0:54:35.759 at the box of burger rings, and she looked at 0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:38.800 her children's face, and she said, this is soul food. 0:54:38.880 --> 0:54:40.640 I'm going to sit here, I'm going to open it. 0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:42.720 I'm going to enjoy it for breakfast with my children, 0:54:43.160 --> 0:54:45.239 and it's going to fill my soul and it's going 0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:46.960 to make them feel happy, and it's going to make 0:54:46.960 --> 0:54:49.840 me feel happy. And I think, ultimately, if we remember 0:54:49.920 --> 0:54:53.320 that food plays such an important part in our social 0:54:53.360 --> 0:54:56.640 lives and in our family lives, that you know, and 0:54:56.680 --> 0:55:01.400 it is so much more than just having a function. Um. 0:55:01.440 --> 0:55:02.840 I think if we can keep that in at the 0:55:02.880 --> 0:55:07.560 forefront of our minds, I love that. UM. What is 0:55:07.600 --> 0:55:09.759 your advice for parents who are starting on their food 0:55:09.840 --> 0:55:13.600 journey with their child? If you had to say anything, 0:55:13.600 --> 0:55:18.640 I guess to you're younger, you're you're transitioning into solid 0:55:18.680 --> 0:55:26.320 food mom self, I would say, um that the most 0:55:26.400 --> 0:55:29.319 important thing to remember is that between the ages of 0:55:29.440 --> 0:55:32.560 six months and twelve months of age, there is a 0:55:32.600 --> 0:55:35.680 time called the flavor window, and that is that a 0:55:35.719 --> 0:55:38.360 baby is more open than at any other stage in 0:55:38.400 --> 0:55:45.840 their life of trying new things. So taste textures, spices, herbs, sweets, um, sour. 0:55:46.760 --> 0:55:51.160 So have fun, you know, use this time, within reason, 0:55:51.239 --> 0:55:54.719 of course, to expose your child two foods that you 0:55:54.480 --> 0:56:00.600 yourself wouldn't necessarily cook in your home. Um, so that 0:56:00.760 --> 0:56:05.520 you are really opening and beginning your child's journey culinary 0:56:05.640 --> 0:56:09.520 journey through life. You know, I think about it like that. Yeah, 0:56:09.680 --> 0:56:12.279 so have fun. It's if you feel good about it, 0:56:12.320 --> 0:56:16.680 they're going to feel good about it. Um. Yeah, herbs 0:56:16.680 --> 0:56:22.520 and spices and spices. I love that you are. This 0:56:22.600 --> 0:56:25.880 is so informative. I learned so much, so did Roger. 0:56:25.920 --> 0:56:30.000 You can hear embarking. Roger says, I love Albie's food 0:56:30.000 --> 0:56:31.719 just as much as Albie does when he flings it 0:56:31.760 --> 0:56:34.799 on the floor. Tolly, thank you so much. We're going 0:56:34.840 --> 0:56:37.360 to put links to the books you said um and 0:56:37.440 --> 0:56:40.400 links to Tummy Time. You guys, this is so helpful 0:56:40.440 --> 0:56:42.359 and eye opening and I wish I had spoken to 0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:45.839 you a year ago, but hey, better late than never. 0:56:46.600 --> 0:56:51.080 Thank you, Thank you, Katie's Crib. Thank you guys so 0:56:51.160 --> 0:56:53.400 much for listening to Katie's Crib. And be sure to 0:56:53.480 --> 0:56:55.680 check out Shonda land dot com where you can find 0:56:55.719 --> 0:56:58.200 every episode of Katie's Crib. And we've got crib notes 0:56:58.239 --> 0:57:00.239 for each episode where you can find out more about 0:57:00.239 --> 0:57:02.440 our guests and links to some of the resources we 0:57:02.480 --> 0:57:06.520 talked about on the podcast. And last, but not least, subscribe. 0:57:06.840 --> 0:57:10.520 We're on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher basically like wherever you 0:57:10.560 --> 0:57:11.400 get your podcasts.