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Speaker 1: Hi everybody, and welcome back to Katie's crib. In this episode,

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited because we're talking about food, which was

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Speaker 1: a very crazily and weirdly stressful thing to me. Transitioning

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Speaker 1: And I feel like parents and moms, obviously they want

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Speaker 1: to give their child the best, the tastiest, the most

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Speaker 1: nutritious meals, and I was so overwhelmed. I didn't know

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Speaker 1: where to start. Do you go with prepackaged baby food?

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Speaker 1: Do you go the d I Y route and you

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Speaker 1: make it yourself. I have this wonderful friend named Talia

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Speaker 1: Moore who is sitting here with me, and we actually

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Speaker 1: first met because you taught my baby class. Yes, childbirth education. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Talia taught me child birth education at Beanie Birth, which

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Speaker 1: is this awesome. I don't even know how you would explain.

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Speaker 1: I say it's a BITH center or center of BITH

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Speaker 1: because selectation consultant, there's midwives, there's mommy and made classes.

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Speaker 1: And you are also a dueler, right yes? Whoa Okay,

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Speaker 1: So Talia is very knowledgeable on babies. You're also a

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Speaker 1: mom yourself. I am how old is your daughter. She's

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Speaker 1: three And if you notice, guys, Talia has a very

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Speaker 1: sexy accent. Where are you from, Dahlia, very far down

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Speaker 1: South Australia. Where in Australia Melbourne? Amazing? And does your

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Speaker 1: daughter have like the coolest Australian name ever? What is it? No,

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Speaker 1: it's Miami, It's it's Hebrew and hinder what the Hebrew

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Speaker 1: is made? The Hindu is my husband? What say the

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Speaker 1: name again? Miyami Mayani? That is freaking beautiful. Um, you

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Speaker 1: guys should all know that. On top of Tally Moore

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Speaker 1: being a very fancy teacher and doula at beany birth,

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Speaker 1: she also is the owner of Tummy Time, which is

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Speaker 1: spelled t h y n e. We're going to put

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Speaker 1: a link to it on cribs notes, where she makes

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Speaker 1: and crafted baby food delivered to families and guys, let

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Speaker 1: me tell you, Talia has a stand at the Studio

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Speaker 1: City farmers Market every Sunday and the line is around

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Speaker 1: the corner for this baby food that you make. And

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Speaker 1: I was like, God, I've always wanted to do an

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Speaker 1: episode about food because it was such a stressful thing

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Speaker 1: for me. And you are just the first person that

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Speaker 1: came to my mind to talk to you about this.

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Speaker 1: So let's get back. Let's get into your personal life.

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Speaker 1: What was your relationship with food like before you were

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Speaker 1: when you were a kid, Like, were you raised on

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Speaker 1: d I y food? Like? Did your mom make food?

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Speaker 1: My mom actually owned a catering company at some point um,

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Speaker 1: and she had a focus on Australian bush cuisine, super

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Speaker 1: random spices and herbs like um quandong lily pilli um,

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Speaker 1: not like household spices and herbs. So she very quirky

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Speaker 1: I didn't even actually people ask me what did you

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Speaker 1: Thai food, Middle Eastern I don't even know exactly. I mean,

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Speaker 1: other than my mom's the food that my mom was

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Speaker 1: oh that's so very yeah. So my question to you

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Speaker 1: This is very like controversial, right, what is your advice

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Speaker 1: So when is the time? So what I would say is,

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Speaker 1: The introduction of solids is actually a developmental milestone. It's

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Speaker 1: that's due to a different milestone. But often people will

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Speaker 1: to soothe themselves. It's not about food about food. Yes see,

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Speaker 1: if you're following your baby's natural cues, it's very straightforward

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Speaker 1: a bind and it's not a staple, but you do

426
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Speaker 1: use them once in a while. What what are the

427
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: red lakes? What are the red flags? So before I

428
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Speaker 1: answer that question, I just want to say, like I

429
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: also use them, absolutely no shame in using them. Please. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, I have people coming up to the Famber's

431
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Speaker 1: ark and they're like, oh, I feel terrible. You know,

432
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 1: all my kid eight this week was processed stuff, and

433
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, you've fed your child. Good for you. You're

434
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: fucking awesome. Like, go to be proud of yourself. You know,

435
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: they're there for a reason, and they're awesome in a pinch,

436
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:20,239
Speaker 1: you know. Um, yes, I do think that they're not

437
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: the gold standard, but absolutely we all use them in

438
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: a pinch and that's what they're They're great. Forum. I

439
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:32,239
Speaker 1: would say it comes down to information and education. In

440
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 1: order for a carrot from the farmer's market to survive

441
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: two years on a shelf, something had to happen to

442
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: that carrot. Okay. So so even if it says organic

443
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: on that pouch or whatever, if that if it's not

444
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 1: in a refrigerator and it's two plus years old, something

445
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: happened to that sweet little carrot. Okay. So it's just

446
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Speaker 1: understanding that the further or a a food is from

447
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: its original form, the more present, the more processed it is,

448
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: the more processed, the less amount of nutrients. Okay. So

449
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: at this very young age, when babies have such small tummies,

450
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 1: it is really important that they are getting a good

451
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: quality or or enough of those key nutrients. So, coming

452
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: back to your question red flags what to look out for.

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Speaker 1: My suggestion is, you know, um, choose choose pouches that

454
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Speaker 1: are not just fruit and vegetables. Choose ones that have

455
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: an animal protein in it, or a grain or a legume,

456
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: something that's a little bit more um wholesome. You know,

457
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 1: there's more nutrients in there for the baby. Um, have

458
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: a look at the ingredients lists. This is something that like,

459
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: totally honestly, working in food manufacturing, now I am fairly

460
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: horror f you are seeing behind the curtain. It is. Well,

461
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: it's just amazing how you can hide information, you know,

462
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: or or not even just hide. It's kind of in

463
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: pure in plain sight, but you don't realize. You know,

464
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: some of the pouchers and jars they have, like their

465
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: ingredients will say, you know, apple pure a rather than

466
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Speaker 1: just apple. So what that tells me is that was

467
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: probably purchased from another country or elsewhere in big vats

468
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: of premate pure a, and they've just repackaged it and

469
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: mixed it into their own container. So now again we're

470
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Speaker 1: talking about how far away this apple is from its

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Speaker 1: original form so far so you know, um, so yeah,

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00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: coming back to no shame. I certainly have used them

473
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: in a pinch, but um, you know, not the gold standard.

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Speaker 1: If you do have to use them, try and find

475
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Speaker 1: one that has a variety of flavors and has something,

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Speaker 1: you know, either a protein leg being yeah something. Yeah,

477
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: that's really good to know what. The other thing I

478
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: just want to throw out is the puffs. We see

479
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Speaker 1: a lot of babies eating the puffs. Choose those parts

480
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: and they're great, you know, particularly teating babies that want

481
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: to like gum something that they're great when you're buying them.

482
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: Choose one that is not just a rice or a carbohydrate.

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00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: You can get ones that have peanut butter or you know,

484
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Speaker 1: like a Bumba. We go through bumbas like it's a problem.

485
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: Bumbas are a traitor Joe's. They're incredibly affordable. They're a

486
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Speaker 1: peanut butter flavored cheeto, sourly processed. Yes, but if you're

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Speaker 1: going to do it, at least it's protein and you're

488
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: you're that's our plane. Go to every plane we're on, Like,

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00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: you know, I bring them if we have like a

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Speaker 1: restaurant out situation where he's in a high chair and

491
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Speaker 1: I know it's going to be a minute until that

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Speaker 1: food comes. I will break those bombas into like four

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Speaker 1: pieces to just really keep him occupied until the fucking

494
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: food gets there. But like, yeah, they're great. Yeah. Um,

495
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: that's good to know because it's peanut butter not just cool. Yeah.

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00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: Obviously if you have if your kid has an allergy

497
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: or your high a high risk of analogy, then bumbas

498
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: is not for you. But just look at the ingredients

499
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Speaker 1: and try and choose one that has more than just

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Speaker 1: a carbohydrant listed as the ingredient. Can you tell me

501
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: what real time is like in your family? Yes? What

502
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: is it like? Do you fit together? Do you eat

503
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Speaker 1: on like a schedule? Tell me, well, goodness, life has changed.

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00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: Um wait, try and eat at the same time as

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00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: our daughter, which often means if we eat out where

506
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: the first people in the restaurants here where they're like

507
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: four three, yeah, where they're waiting for the door start.

508
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: So I'm so I mean, this is this is when

509
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Speaker 1: you talk about like educating yourself. I'm so grateful for

510
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Speaker 1: this business for myself because meal I think had I

511
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Speaker 1: taken if I didn't have this information, there would be

512
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Speaker 1: a lot of power struggles going on at this age

513
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: that I don't have, which I'm very grateful for. So um,

514
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: we do try and eat together as a family. It's

515
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: not always possible, we do, we do it when we

516
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: can do it. We eat the same food. Yes see,

517
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Speaker 1: this is fucking huge, you guys. I've just read who

518
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Speaker 1: just told me there's this documentary now that it's basically

519
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: like the kid's menu on the restaurants is the greatest

520
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: downfall of America. That like the fact that you give

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Speaker 1: your child if you go out the choices for that

522
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Speaker 1: kind of thing. Because really, what you're trying to teach

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Speaker 1: my mom, for example, when she comes when I bring

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Speaker 1: Albie to go visit my mom, She'll be like, what

525
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Speaker 1: should I buy for the kid? And I'm like, just

526
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Speaker 1: what ever we're all eating because I'm trying to hopefully

527
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: teach him that, like we're all going to sit down

528
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Speaker 1: and have this dinner that's been planned like for the

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Speaker 1: whole family. I don't want to make something extra special

530
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: or different for you because you don't eat X, Y

531
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Speaker 1: or Z. I'm hoping that we can all just like

532
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: eat dinner whatever that is for all of us, and

533
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: that it's just healthy and whole for all of us. Um,

534
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: that will probably end because I was also a child

535
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Speaker 1: that like only a peanut butter and jelly macaroni cheese.

536
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: But okay, so you are doing the same thing. So

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00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean this is so Something that I

538
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: read which has really changed my approach is that, first

539
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: of all, don't be a short auto cook. If you're

540
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: a short auto cook, meaning if your child wanted what

541
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: you've put in front of them, you're going to go

542
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: back to the kitchen and make something else. This is

543
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: what then, please explain, So how can you then really

544
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: expect that your child is going to go out of

545
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: that if that become habitual, you know, like, oh, I

546
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: don't have to eat this because she's just going to

547
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: go get me the thing that I want. So I'm

548
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: just sort mocking order. So so you want to avoid that.

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00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: So here here is some So this is what we do.

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00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: So I love those plates that have little compartments because

551
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: it forces me to fill them all with different things.

552
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: So I every meal I feel each compartment or even

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00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: on a plate like just put lots of little things

554
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: out of what we're eating. So one compartment might be broccoli,

555
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: one might be for having bolonaise some bolonnaise. One might

556
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: be chopped up carrots, chopped up tomato, avocado, some cheese, whatever.

557
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,239
Speaker 1: So I put that in front of her. She ates

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00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: what she ates, she doesn't ate what she doesn't eat.

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00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: I don't make a comment. She gets no praise, she

560
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: gets no criticism. She eats what she wants to eat.

561
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: Fucking ship tell you, guys, no praise. So here's the thing. Also,

562
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: having given any response to what they eat, positive or negative,

563
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: is not helpful. You want to stay neutral because what

564
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: you're really trying to do is raise a child that

565
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: can monitor their own likes and dislikes, and can also

566
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: monitor their own sense of fullness and hunger. So the

567
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: important thing here is to have a neutral response because

568
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: then the baby themselves independently, we'll figure out what they like,

569
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: what they don't like, and when they're hungry and when

570
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: they're full. Correct. So by for example, I read this,

571
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: I think it's from and I highly recommend guys this website.

572
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: You should put it up. Will you send me? I

573
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: will send you the link. It's the Ellen satur Institute.

574
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: She has such amazing tips on their um Now I've

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00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: gotten the tip. It's a great website. But you know

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00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: what you were telling me before, which was people who

577
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: grow up and can't remember meal time are the kids

578
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: that are most likely to not have any sort of

579
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: eating problems. You guys, what's so overwhelming. I think what

580
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: was so stressful to me about the food stuff and

581
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: why it's setting up their relationship with food for the

582
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: rest of their life is because there's so much connected

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00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: with food in this country about like you didn't finish

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00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: your plate, or one more bite, or you're not allowed

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00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: to leave the table until you're finished, or moms being

586
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: constantly talk to me about I'm on a diet, I'm

587
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 1: not eating this, I'm eating that, and giving their having

588
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: their children really understand that sort of thing. You were

589
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: telling me that there's a like people who grow up

590
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: and just don't even really remember meal time or no.

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00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: You were telling me that story about there was a

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00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: family who always bickered around the dinner table and it

593
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: was a big place for fighting, and that can relate

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00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: the field. Also. See, you guys are so stressful. So

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00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to go back to what you said, which

596
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: is which is so important, which is that you know

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Speaker 1: the whole just have one bite, just one more bite

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00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: or um, if you have one bite I'll reward you

599
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: with this. So here's a lot of that in my house.

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Speaker 1: So here's the problem with the just have one more

601
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: bite thing. As you and I have days when we're

602
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 1: ravenous and days when we're just not hungry, so do babies.

603
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: They have days when they're going through major growth spirts

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00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: and days when they're just not really very hungry, or

605
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: they're teating or they feel sick. Um by you saying

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00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: to your child, you need to have one more bite,

607
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: what you're teaching them is external factors such as your

608
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: mother know more about your sense of hunger and fullness

609
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: than you do. And what you want to do is

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00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: you want to teach your child to monitor their own sensations.

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00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: You know, you want to empower them to say, I'm

612
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: really not hungry today, so I'm not going to eat.

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00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm not going to force feed myself to make somebody

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00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 1: else happy, you know. So that whole one more bite

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00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: thing or praise or the praise yes you eat a bite,

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00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: which I totally do. So here's the thing with that

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00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: is that what you're also want to avoid as you

618
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: go into the sort of picky eating phase, which you

619
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 1: should know is actually a developmental milestone. Can you explain

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00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: that to us? So, so sort of like six months

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Speaker 1: to two years is the honeymoon period fit for food

622
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: because babies are going through such massive growth and then

623
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: from about two years it slows down. Um. And that's

624
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: typically when picky eating sort of or selective eating sort

625
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: of peaks. So so like your vocabulary change, we're not

626
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: saying picky eating, We're saying selective eating. I know. I say,

627
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: do not label your child. I mean, I try and

628
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: not be judgmental, and I try and be really open.

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Speaker 1: But when pairs actually this and yesterday at the farmer's market,

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Speaker 1: I had a parents say in front of his kids,

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00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: she's so picky, she won't need anything, um, And I

632
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: was like, no, she's not p I c k y.

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00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: She is selective and she you know, because that the

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00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: developmental milestone is that that toddlers become neophobic, which is

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00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: they have a distrust of the new. So coming back

636
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: to why it's so important to give your child variety

637
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: in the beginning, is that you want them to be

638
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: exposed to a variety of cuisines, spices, herbs, food textures,

639
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: everything so that it becomes familiar. So when they go

640
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: into this neophobic stage, distrust of the new. These foods

641
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: aren't new, they're familiar. So when you know, when parents

642
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: say to me, I'm about to get some curry up

643
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: in this house right now, because I feel like he

644
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: hasn't had You were saying it, and I was like,

645
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: oh God, they used to eat so much that when

646
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: I was pregnant, but I really haven't given him any

647
00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 1: what the hell? So yeah, when parents well in food

648
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: and Adam doesn't, so it's like, oh, we never posemate that.

649
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: But like, guess what today is a new day? Oh

650
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: this was a question I was dying to ask. Okay,

651
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: So I love this compartment plate idea. Here's what my

652
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: son does. He doesn't like it, flings it on the floor.

653
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: Guess what happens. The dog eats it, The dog gets diarrhea.

654
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: It's a whole. My kid is a big flinger of food.

655
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: He's a big arm thrower. He loves to throw stuff, balls, dolls, toys, food.

656
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: I'll put the food down. If he's into it, he

657
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: will eat it. If he's not into it, he's flinging

658
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: it on the floor. So our problem with the compartment

659
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: plate is that it's just ends up being a lot

660
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: of shipped to clean up and you know kids like

661
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: he eats. Oh that's another question I wanted to ask

662
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: you is how many meals a day are you doing? One?

663
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,479
Speaker 1: But also what do you think about my husband, which

664
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: is he literally puts one thing on his blade? Is

665
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: that just like insane? What complex and future problem? So

666
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: coming back to those plates that I was talking about,

667
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: he may be too young for that. You may. I

668
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 1: mean at this point even just putting a few things

669
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: out on that tray is perfect. Okay, great, I mean

670
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about as a parent, like forcing yourself

671
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: to keep the variety there and you know the color

672
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: of the three or four things down so that he

673
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: only flings three or four so quick. So if does

674
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: this happen at every meal? Okay? So when are you

675
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: feeding him? Are you feeding him at the same time

676
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: every day you're feeding him? Because if he's ravenous, does

677
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: he still do that? No? So basically what will happen

678
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: is breakfast always a dream? So great, not that much

679
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: food flinging At the end. There might be food flinging,

680
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: which is like when he's done, which is really not

681
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: probably great that I know he's done when he's food

682
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 1: flinging um. Breakfast will always go off a lot of times.

683
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: I give him most days three meals and two snacks,

684
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: because what I'll do is like he'll have breakfast and

685
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: then he'll go down for a nap. When he wakes

686
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: up from a nap, he'll have a little snack of

687
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: like some grapes or half of clementine or you know,

688
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: some of that that he'll always cruit, crush, crush anything fruit.

689
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: He's never gonna flame that on the floor. Lunch, he

690
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: might fling some of that snack after his second nap,

691
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: he probably won't. And then later as we go in

692
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: the day, it's dinner. It's it's usually the witching hour,

693
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: five thirty ish five o'clock dinner. That like some of

694
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: that that's being flung. He's tired, he's piste. It's witching hour.

695
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: And so it's a lot of things I think is

696
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 1: temperament or whatever. But what time does he go down

697
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: for the night? Seven? So that's good. I mean that

698
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 1: you could have you have you tried bringing the meal

699
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: earlier in the day. I know I should do that well,

700
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: because the other thing is that's knack and and really

701
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: what I could do isn't. So if he wakes up

702
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: from a second up at four o'clock, give him a

703
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: bigger snap, then it's like a dinner, you know, with

704
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: a proteinser like that. And then the five thirty is

705
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: more like a dessert, not dessert, but in my mind

706
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: it's like a smaller snack of like, well, it's so

707
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: interesting because a lot of parents will give their their

708
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 1: babies dinner right before bedtime, you know, like five thirty six,

709
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: and then they do the bedtime return and put their

710
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: bed kid. And I'm like, I don't really want to

711
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: eat dinner and then immediately go to bed like you

712
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: should be should be kind of like a few hours before. No,

713
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: you know, so maybe bringing up earlier. I'm going to

714
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: try that, dude, I'm going to try that, try it

715
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: and say because I think I mean, obviously, when he's

716
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: the most hungry is when he does well, um, well,

717
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: but see this is the other thing. It's like, wow,

718
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: food is so it's so wrapped up with you're a

719
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: good boy, you're a bad boy type of stuff. And

720
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 1: I think it's also like, for example, I'm going on, um,

721
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to see my family over the holidays, um,

722
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: and I'm cool with him not eating everything on the plate.

723
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: I'm cool with when he's experimenting and flinging food across

724
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: the thing. I'm like, he's one. Whatever. Some of the

725
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: older school people in my family think that that is

726
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: a very bad way to mother, and so it's very interesting,

727
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like they think that I

728
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 1: don't have control over my kid, or that's really bad manners,

729
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 1: or you know, that's waste. You know, that's wasting money,

730
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: that's wasting food. There are people starving in the world,

731
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: things like that. So I really have to like put

732
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: on my like mommy muscle t shirt and just like

733
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: to stick to my well, this is what we do,

734
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Because I want him

735
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: to have like a really healthy relationship with food, and

736
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 1: I don't want him to ever think I'm forcing him

737
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: or oh that was something I want to talk about.

738
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: Two is I think it's also really hard with partners.

739
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: You know that, Like I could my husband would get

740
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: really stressed out when he would flings food on the

741
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: floor and like would try to put stuff in his mouth,

742
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: not forcefully at all, but like put stuff in his mouth.

743
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: And I had to really have like a sort of

744
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: you know, you pick your battles in a relationship. But

745
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: it was big for me and I had to really

746
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: sit down with my husband and say, I don't ever

747
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: want you to put food in his mouth if he's

748
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: making it very clear that he doesn't want it, I

749
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: don't want that. But I bet that that's really hard

750
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: for some people. I think I think it comes down

751
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: and it gets frustrating. I mean, I've gotten you know,

752
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: when you're down on the floor picking up your six

753
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: fucking meal of the day and you're exhausted, You're like,

754
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: you know, we're done. I also think people probably get

755
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: really stressed out that if you don't eat, then you're

756
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: going to be hungry and then you're not going to sleep. Yes, Um,

757
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: is that true because that's me talking. Yeah. Yeah, like

758
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: the smallest dinner ever, and like now he's going to

759
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: be up at four o'clock in the morning because his

760
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: stomach is gonna wake him up, like what I mean. So, So,

761
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: I actually had this conversation yesterday with a moment at

762
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: the market and she was saying, Oh, my kids so

763
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: picky at the moment, and I just keep giving him

764
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: the same thing that he wants, and then at least

765
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: till eat, and I know that he's not going to

766
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: wake up, And in my head, I'm thinking, you know,

767
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: how is that going to change the situation you're in.

768
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 1: I mean, you're reinforcing you know, this this difficult time

769
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: and picky eating. As I said, it's a developmental milestone.

770
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: But the duration and the strength of that pickiness is

771
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: really going to depend on how you react to it,

772
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: you know. So um, it can be pretty short lived,

773
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: um and pretty easy if you just take a backseat

774
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: kind of approach rather than labeling catering too, you know,

775
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: and becoming a short order cook, um calling them good

776
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: bad like you're a good eater or he was a

777
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: bad eater today, things like that. This then becomes identity shaping.

778
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: I already feel in myself and admitting my own problems.

779
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: My son is small on the charts, you know, like

780
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: you know, third percentile and height and sent tile and weight.

781
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: So I'm always like, oh, yeah, it's fine, give him

782
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: more of that crap, like fill them up, you know

783
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like he's little, he's a little he's

784
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 1: a little guy. He's a little dude. So like, yeah,

785
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: more dairy more, you know what I mean, Like I

786
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: already feel that in my um my subconscious like I'm

787
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: doing that. It's wild. And then I have friends who

788
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: have really big babies who you know, they cut them on.

789
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really. I mean food is like I'm saying,

790
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: it's really it's an interesting thing. So here's the thing

791
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: on that, Um, even as a baby, even right from

792
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: the start, babies can monitor their own sense of hunger

793
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: and fullness. Like I was saying, Um, if a baby

794
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: doesn't open their mouth to receive a spoon of food

795
00:45:54,239 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 1: from you, your baby is saying no yah. Um. So

796
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: you know, don't shove that spoon in your baby's mouth,

797
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: you know, because like I said, like this is about

798
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: creating a healthy relationship with food. Nobody enjoys being force

799
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: fed not you know, So can we talk about the

800
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: idea of food as rewards. This was big on my

801
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: husband and I growing up and I and we fight

802
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: it to this day. And I know this is a

803
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: real thing because my husband and I similarly like you

804
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: got an a, get in the car, we're going for

805
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: ice cream. You know what, you didn't get into that school.

806
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: The whole family is going out for like you know,

807
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: t G I Friday's mozorel sticks of your favorite food.

808
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: I mean this is literally like memories we have and

809
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: when you're an actor, every day is like you booked it. Yeah,

810
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: thirty seven drinks. Let's have like ice cream and go

811
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: out to a movie and bull and then it's like, crap,

812
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 1: you didn't get it. You didn't get the part. Well,

813
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: let's just like drink and eat some garbage like whatever.

814
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: My husband and I are very reward based. We were

815
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: raised that way and we are like always having conversations

816
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: that we don't want that. For Albie, I am people

817
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: must tempt with food, Like if you go peepy on

818
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: the party, you're going to get an emine. So like

819
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: that one's a really good one for me to just

820
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: come out and say, like, please don't do that. Don't

821
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: use food as a reward. I'm trying to remember. I

822
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: think it's um Cynthia Epps another great resource, and I'll

823
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: send you her website and I think it's her. Forgive

824
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: me if it's not. She's awesome anyway. But um, what

825
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 1: I read about is how you know when you put

826
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: snacks out one day, you'll put out you know, crew

827
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 1: to tey, like you know, chopped up carrots and cumbers

828
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: and such. The next day a bowl of cookies, chop

829
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: chip cookies the next day fruit make it so that

830
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: it's not hands off, you know, to make something hands

831
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 1: off or only special occasion. Food makes it special, makes

832
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 1: it unattainable, like make puts this like gold light around it.

833
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: Whereas if it's accessible and it's just something else that

834
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: you can have on occasion, you're creating a much more

835
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 1: even playing field when it comes with your your child's

836
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: relationship with different kinds of food. So coming back to

837
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: what is the job of a parent. The job of

838
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: a parent is not to feed your child. It is

839
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: not to make your child eat. Sorry, I'm gonna say

840
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: that again. The job of a parent is not to

841
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: make your child eat. The job your job as a

842
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: parent is to offer healthy options. So you're deciding the

843
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: when and the where. Your child is deciding the weather

844
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: and how much. That's the differentiation of losing control. So

845
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: I know, my job is just to make sure that

846
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: my child has the options, and I'm going to asked

847
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Speaker 1: my child to decide whether they eat and how much

848
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: of it um and so with rewards food, you know,

849
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: if like we where I'm very health conscious and I

850
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: love healthy food. I love it. It's not just I

851
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: don't just do it because for a functional reasons. I

852
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: really love healthy food. Um. So, mostly my child like

853
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: her sweets, things like dried fruit, um, you know, things

854
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: like that. Um. But when we're out in the world

855
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: and occasionally at home, when there's food that other children

856
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 1: are eating that is like chocolate, cake, ice cream, stuff

857
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: like that, I always say yes because I don't want

858
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: her to feel like other people can have something that's

859
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: off limits to her. So yeah, I inside, I'm like,

860
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: you know, I prefer she a family that was like vegan,

861
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 1: the kids were vegan and no sugar in the household,

862
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: things like that. And when the birthday started, the birthday

863
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: party started rolling out, I mean, holy sh it, I

864
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: didn't know what to do. I mean, like the kids

865
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: are like screaming for hot dogs and like and the

866
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: birthday cake and they're showing up at home like smeared

867
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: with icing all over their face. And it's my fault.

868
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: But it's like, what was I going to do? I mean,

869
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: it's really hard, but the kids were never given it,

870
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: and it's they became obsessed and you have to see

871
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: it from their perspective, like what emotionally is going on

872
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: with their minds when they see other children having fun,

873
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: eating and enjoying something and they themselves are not allowed it.

874
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: It's it's even though we we think in our minds

875
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: were doing it for the right reasons, it's healthy, where

876
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: we don't want them to have cavities or whatever it is,

877
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: They're not reading it that way. They're saying, why this

878
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: is unfair, like why can't I? And then later in

879
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: life it's the switch flip, you know, They're like, suddenly

880
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: I can have all these food I'm out in the world,

881
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: and then they don't have these skills to monitor, you know,

882
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: the amount they eat and they's off limit food. You know. Um,

883
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: do you ever find like, since I'm about to be

884
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: with all family and things like that, how you talk

885
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: about your family's food choices with others, Like like, I

886
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: think it's going to be really interesting, like how you

887
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: stay strong in your goals and your relationship with food

888
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: with your kids, or like you said, you're out at

889
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: a birthday party and other people have other things that

890
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: feel other ways than you do. That's an interesting one.

891
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: I mean, we're we're about to go and baby family

892
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: as well. Um, I think you know, for me personally,

893
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: that shift of sort of speaking up for myself, um,

894
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 1: for my daughter really became very strong when I gave

895
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: birth to her. Because your preferences are your preferences, and ultimately,

896
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: who gives a ship it if other people agree or disagree,

897
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: what's most important is that you're doing what's right by

898
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 1: you and your child. Um. So you know, I really try.

899
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: I mean my family is pretty health conscious and pretty

900
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: cool that way. So I mean they, no, that's very sweet,

901
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: keep the compliments coming. Um No. But I mean my

902
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: nephews eat way more, um, processed food than my daughter does.

903
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: My sisters like really hands off, like whatever goes, Um,

904
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,919
Speaker 1: we're going away, and I just I'm going to take

905
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: deep breaths and let her in those moments have a

906
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: really great time because ultimately, I feel like, you know,

907
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,919
Speaker 1: if food brings if food is so much more than

908
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,439
Speaker 1: just like for nutrition, it like brings people together, it's joy,

909
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,720
Speaker 1: it's memories. Um, And so I feel like that freaking

910
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: every single photo we took over Thanksgiving with my son,

911
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: he's holding what's called a grandma cookie, which is in

912
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: my husband's side of the family. It's a recipe that's

913
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: been handed down by four grandma's. It's her great great

914
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: great grandma Lena's cookie recipe. It's a short bread cookie

915
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: and it means so much to his grandma's that he

916
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: loves the cookie. And it's like he had to not

917
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: cry in all these photos. And so I gat giving

918
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: him grandma cookies and they loved that he was eating

919
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: the grandma cookies in the photos. And I was like, wow,

920
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: I think you've had five cookies today and now you're

921
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: not going to eat anything of value. But whatever, it

922
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: brought joy to everyone, including him, So it's like, what

923
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: are you gonna do? At least it was homemade with

924
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: like whole ingredients. And that's what I knew when I

925
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: actually studied nutrition in Australia, and I remember one of

926
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:47,720
Speaker 1: my teachers talking about and she was like vegan, super clean,

927
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. And I remember her saying that

928
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: on her birthday, her kids, her two kids, who had

929
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: saved up their pocket money, had gone to buy her

930
00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: a box of um Burger rings. Do you have them here?

931
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: They know what they're rings? No? No, they're they're I

932
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: think they're Australian. They're kind of like Cheetos, but that

933
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: you can fit them on your finger and eat them.

934
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: Do you have that? Okay? Burger rings anyway? Um? So

935
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: she said it was her birthday. Her kids ran into

936
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: her room with this wrapped up gift, glowing like so excited.

937
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 1: They've been saving up for this present on her birthday.

938
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: So she opens it up and there is this big

939
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: box of burger rings, which not in her life, which

940
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: she usually eat. You ever, and she said, she looked

941
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: at the box of burger rings, and she looked at

942
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 1: her children's face, and she said, this is soul food.

943
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to sit here, I'm going to open it.

944
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,720
Speaker 1: I'm going to enjoy it for breakfast with my children,

945
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: and it's going to fill my soul and it's going

946
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: to make them feel happy, and it's going to make

947
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: me feel happy. And I think, ultimately, if we remember

948
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 1: that food plays such an important part in our social

949
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: lives and in our family lives, that you know, and

950
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: it is so much more than just having a function. Um.

951
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: I think if we can keep that in at the

952
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: forefront of our minds, I love that. UM. What is

953
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: your advice for parents who are starting on their food

954
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: journey with their child? If you had to say anything,

955
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: I guess to you're younger, you're you're transitioning into solid

956
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 1: food mom self, I would say, um that the most

957
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: important thing to remember is that between the ages of

958
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: six months and twelve months of age, there is a

959
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: time called the flavor window, and that is that a

960
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: baby is more open than at any other stage in

961
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: their life of trying new things. So taste textures, spices, herbs, sweets, um, sour.

962
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: So have fun, you know, use this time, within reason,

963
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: of course, to expose your child two foods that you

964
00:55:54,480 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: yourself wouldn't necessarily cook in your home. Um, so that

965
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: you are really opening and beginning your child's journey culinary

966
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: journey through life. You know, I think about it like that. Yeah,

967
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: so have fun. It's if you feel good about it,

968
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: they're going to feel good about it. Um. Yeah, herbs

969
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: and spices and spices. I love that you are. This

970
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: is so informative. I learned so much, so did Roger.

971
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: You can hear embarking. Roger says, I love Albie's food

972
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: just as much as Albie does when he flings it

973
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: on the floor. Tolly, thank you so much. We're going

974
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: to put links to the books you said um and

975
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: links to Tummy Time. You guys, this is so helpful

976
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 1: and eye opening and I wish I had spoken to

977
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 1: you a year ago, but hey, better late than never.

978
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, Katie's Crib. Thank you guys so

979
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: much for listening to Katie's Crib. And be sure to

980
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: check out Shonda land dot com where you can find

981
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: every episode of Katie's Crib. And we've got crib notes

982
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: for each episode where you can find out more about

983
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: our guests and links to some of the resources we

984
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: talked about on the podcast. And last, but not least, subscribe.

985
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Speaker 1: We're on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher basically like wherever you

986
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Speaker 1: get your podcasts.