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Speaker 1: joining us four for four, four great playoff games. The
Speaker 1: league is just fine without the Kansas City Chiefs in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. That's the difference between the NBA in the NFL,
Speaker 1: between baseball and the NFL. Mahomes Burrow, Lamar jackson Out.
Speaker 1: Best wild card weekend I ever remember.
Speaker 2: Four for four.
Speaker 1: San Francisco and a superior coaching staff beat Philadelphia twenty
Speaker 1: three to nineteen. By the way, the Eagles went up
Speaker 1: thirteen to seven and then they went three and out
Speaker 1: and four of their next five drives. I thought it
Speaker 1: was really an indictment. This is, you know, John, like
Speaker 1: the truth eventually comes out the fact that Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 1: can go into this game, lose George Kittle early, doesn't
Speaker 1: have Warner, doesn't have Bosa, hasn't had Ayuk all year.
Speaker 1: You go into pretty much a stack croster that you
Speaker 1: could argue the weather favors Philadelphia. They don't like to
Speaker 1: throw the ball, pretty throws two picks and San Francisco wins.
Speaker 1: The gap between Shanahan in Sirianni, I still contend Sirianni's
Speaker 1: a coordinator, but you know, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson won a Super Bowl with nick Fole. Shit happens.
Speaker 1: I thought it was so an indictment on the Philadelphia
Speaker 1: offensive staff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that's one of the worst
Speaker 2: playoff losses you'll ever see. I mean, the forty nine ers,
Speaker 2: they lose their best player with what in the first
Speaker 2: quarter with the torn achilles, So the ramifications, the ripple
Speaker 2: effects that has, and he's best friends with yus Jack McCaffrey.
Speaker 2: They don't flinch. Sirianni doesn't do anything to impact the game, right,
Speaker 2: he doesn't call the place, So it's it's it's Kevin
Speaker 2: Patola and Vic Fangio against Kyle and Robert Salad, which
Speaker 2: is a massive advantage the Eagles. You know, it's reported
Speaker 2: this morning Lane Johnson right was gonna go and then
Speaker 2: he couldn't go. Well, that doesn't impact this game because
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers can't rush the passer. You know,
Speaker 2: Charles Haley a walking through that door to me to
Speaker 2: get two interceptions from Brock, especially the one in the
Speaker 2: second half. The Niners are up by one point, they're
Speaker 2: in full control. There's what seven eight minutes left to go.
Speaker 2: When he throws that interception Colin against a good playoff team,
Speaker 2: that game would be over on the road, it would.
Speaker 2: But the Eagles, they're two interceptions. They got three points
Speaker 2: total out of it. They can't move the ball at
Speaker 2: the end. You can always manipulate a little bit when
Speaker 2: you go in that two minute up tempo. Most teams
Speaker 2: in the NFL move it more than they normally do.
Speaker 2: But with that much talent on the field, and listen,
Speaker 2: aj Brown is a fantastic talent. But if you're gonna
Speaker 2: talk that much and hate on your quarterback that much
Speaker 2: and make that much money, you got to come through
Speaker 2: because listen, if the Niners lose this game, party would have,
Speaker 2: you know, bore some responsibility. You can't turn the ball
Speaker 2: over in the second half because you're in the game.
Speaker 2: The game's weird. You got a shot, but you got
Speaker 2: to give him credit. They got the ball back. He
Speaker 2: drove him right down the field. He made a big run.
Speaker 2: He made some big throws. Mental toughness right there, Colin
Speaker 2: and great coach.
Speaker 1: By the way, you know, I've defended Darnold on interceptions.
Speaker 1: Brock Perty had two today. He's still out played Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1: I just don't And by the way, one of Pretty's
Speaker 1: picks was awful. The other one, you know it's windy.
Speaker 1: I give it. I give both these quarterbacks a pass.
Speaker 1: I mean aj Brown twice they threw the ball down
Speaker 1: the field. He was like a center fielder that lost
Speaker 1: it in the lights, like you know, the ball's moving.
Speaker 1: He's a partner turner. Almost he can't he can't quite
Speaker 1: get it again. Purty throws the ball down the field.
Speaker 1: You almost have to bake in one bad pick of
Speaker 1: Sunday for Purdy, Like that's just kind of who he is.
Speaker 1: And that's why I always say about Arnold Matt Stafford.
Speaker 1: He throws some really ugly picks. But I'll tell you this,
Speaker 1: here's the thing about Purdy, it doesn't affect him. He
Speaker 1: is He's not affected by interceptions because he has so
Speaker 1: much confidence. First of all, how about the I mean
Speaker 1: the opening here's the coaching San Francisco. The opening drive,
Speaker 1: I mean, devastatingly brilliant. San Francisco is seven nothing. The
Speaker 1: trick play to Jennings probably the best timing for an
Speaker 1: over the top I mean, I'm not talking to like
Speaker 1: a hook and lateral, you know, or you know, there's
Speaker 1: some stuff in the red zone that's cute, but it's
Speaker 1: like twelve yards. That was a big trick play. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure you know what I thought of when I
Speaker 1: saw that. The last time I saw trick play so
Speaker 1: perfectly called it was Edelman Patriots Ravens. Remember that throwing
Speaker 1: out to the flat. Edelman throws it to double pass.
Speaker 1: I think he threw it to either Chris Hogan or.
Speaker 2: What it might have been.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that's what it reminded me of, Like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, that says that takes a special kind of
Speaker 1: offensive coach, because you know, you have that thing in
Speaker 1: the bag. You probably wanted to use it three times.
Speaker 1: I thought between the opening drive, the trick play, and
Speaker 1: Purty's perseverance to overcome the picks, not care about it.
Speaker 1: It just to me it was just a masterclass in
Speaker 1: winning a rough, tough, few mistake road game. That's how
Speaker 1: you win in the NFL when you don't play perfect well.
Speaker 2: Listen to Kyle in niner Land, right, it's a it's
Speaker 2: an intense fan base. The expectations are high, can get criticized.
Speaker 2: He was eight and four coming into this game in
Speaker 2: the playoffs. Now he's nine and four, and the difference.
Speaker 2: You know, Sirianni had a good playoff record coming into this.
Speaker 2: But we all look at their team and go, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a lot of how like you watch this game,
Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, that's Sola and Kyle with with Perty
Speaker 2: and us check, DeMarcus Robinson, Colin. They're throwing the guys
Speaker 2: number eighty one. There's not a soul in America beside
Speaker 2: the guy's family. He has ever heard of the player.
Speaker 2: You know, Eric Kendricks felt like was out of the
Speaker 2: league a couple of years ago. As Brady said, they're
Speaker 2: on their seventh eight to ninth linebackers. They have no
Speaker 2: pass rush. They are dead last in the league, you know,
Speaker 2: like the Jets last in the league in interceptions forty
Speaker 2: nine ers are last in the league in pass rush.
Speaker 2: But we all go, it's not really their fault. They're
Speaker 2: just missing everybody. You know that Nick bosas third on
Speaker 2: the team in sacks. He hasn't been on the hast
Speaker 2: played a game in three months. So I think today
Speaker 2: was you know, people try to argue for Sirianni and listen,
Speaker 2: he's won a lot of games. But if you pulled
Speaker 2: everyone in the NFL, I mean the two coaches today,
Speaker 2: it ain't even close. And this was say what you
Speaker 2: want about Kyle, and this is the thing I always respect.
Speaker 2: We'll get into McVeigh. A lot of these young coaches,
Speaker 2: they get pass happy solidly. These are fantastic coaches. Kyle's
Speaker 2: old school man. He will run it even early in
Speaker 2: the game with the Kyle call some passes. He is
Speaker 2: he is wired much more like a guy from his
Speaker 2: dad's era. And that plays to the playoffs. And what
Speaker 2: do they do tonight? They made this game weird and
Speaker 2: the Eagles that they've played in that game, what seventeen
Speaker 2: times this year that they ended up winning a lot
Speaker 2: of them. But today they got into a spot where,
Speaker 2: like this coaching staff and Brock a lot of experience,
Speaker 2: mental toughness. We'll talk about this. I'm sure during the
Speaker 2: draft time upstairs. You and I have talked about this before,
Speaker 2: just playing the position. But I thought when he threw
Speaker 2: that pick, I'm like, oh my god, he's gonna but
Speaker 2: he's not mental experience, Like that's why they like him,
Speaker 2: you know. Even me. I was like, I'm like, they're
Speaker 2: going to lose this game, and he drove him right
Speaker 2: down the field.
Speaker 1: I mean, they also had a really bad punt that
Speaker 1: Philadelphia got a field goal out of two interceptions. There
Speaker 1: was every reason in the world to lose this game.
Speaker 2: You could have sky Moore caught a punt at the
Speaker 2: five yard line tonight. What are you doing?
Speaker 1: I honestly, I will say I'm not into firing People's
Speaker 1: not my thing. I Mean, there's times when you see
Speaker 1: certain coaches You're like, Okay, they're totally over their skis.
Speaker 1: Brandon Staley was about as hard as I've ever been
Speaker 1: in a coach tom and that's not what we have here.
Speaker 1: But I do think there's a discussion. Sirianni's barking it.
Speaker 1: I mean at aj Brown, this is embarrassing. I mean
Speaker 1: Stan Francisco walked in, and remember vict Fangio is a
Speaker 1: respected defensive coordinator. This falls on Sirianni and the offensive staff.
Speaker 1: I mean you and I both know that Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1: I mean I always laugh people in Philadelphia, they know
Speaker 1: the truth. I run into Eagle fans everywhere in this
Speaker 1: country and they're always like, you're too nice to Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 1: And I always say, I love his intangibles. I think
Speaker 1: he's a great kid, great at the podium, great leader, tough, resilient,
Speaker 1: and he does throw a nice deep ball. But you
Speaker 1: can see the limitations here. On that final drive, two
Speaker 1: balls were almost intercepted. I mean they I thought they
Speaker 1: were going to score. I'm like, oh my god, they
Speaker 1: got that. Hurts got that huge Dallas Goddard completion, then
Speaker 1: Devonte Smith and I'm like, oh, oh okay. San Francisco's tired.
Speaker 1: They're at home, and then all of a sudden he
Speaker 1: sales won. Then another one's almost intercepted. He is a
Speaker 1: very limited If you take out the deep ball, he
Speaker 1: is a pretty limited pocket quarterback. And brock Purty is
Speaker 1: not Rock Purty gets banged up a lot. Brock Purty
Speaker 1: can be a bit reckless. Brock's pretty damn good from
Speaker 1: the pocket. He's pretty good in a muddy pocket.
Speaker 2: Well. And the other thing is Tom was showing that
Speaker 2: with the wind throw it down. Well, It's like, Tom,
Speaker 2: you're six five sixty six, so you could look down.
Speaker 2: Brock can't, Like, he can't even attempt that to throw
Speaker 2: it down. He's just not tall enough. But the one
Speaker 2: thing Perdy does that Jalen just no longer does is
Speaker 2: leans into his legs. That there were times if Jay,
Speaker 2: if the Eagles wanted to win this game, Jalen should
Speaker 2: have had fifteen carries today because the forty nine ers
Speaker 2: never would have stopped it. They're playing with third stringers linebacker.
Speaker 2: They're playing with the guy that probably thought he was
Speaker 2: retired two years ago, but he doesn't want to run.
Speaker 2: He the conversation. Forty nine er fans know a lot
Speaker 2: about this, the Russell thing that happened, right, I want
Speaker 2: to be a pocket quarterback, Russell. Lean into your skill,
Speaker 2: your skills an all timer. You're the greatest playmaker we've
Speaker 2: ever seen Jalen's a great playmaker, but he won't. He
Speaker 2: just wants to play like Tom Brady in it. It
Speaker 2: does not work, and the OC's done. I mean, he's
Speaker 2: one thing in Philly they will not to Alright, that'll
Speaker 2: he'll be, I'm sure fired in the next forty eight hours.
Speaker 2: He was already in trouble. But it's you could bring
Speaker 2: in Kellen Moore, you can bring in Shane Siken. If
Speaker 2: he's not gonna move, I don't care if Walsh is
Speaker 2: calling the offense, They're gonna have problems because look, you know,
Speaker 2: Kyle's offense is predicated a lot on party and Pertty
Speaker 2: has no problem. He'll take off and run. It's not like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't I want to prove I'm a third. What
Speaker 2: do we gotta do to win? Well, Jalen today to
Speaker 2: beat this team, you know Saquon that they were selling
Speaker 2: out to stop Saquon. He had some moments, but then
Speaker 2: he gets banged up. Just take off, bro. They were
Speaker 2: not gonna say Jalen. You know, unlike Lamar and Michael Vick,
Speaker 2: these guys that were like a track star speed, Jalen
Speaker 2: actually is much more like a Frank Gore. But his
Speaker 2: instincts is a running back or elite when he's in
Speaker 2: the open field, but he hates doing it. Clearly he
Speaker 2: doesn't want to do it.
Speaker 1: Pretty now, four of his five playoff wins are game
Speaker 1: winning drives.
Speaker 2: You got to give him credit. Calm, that was all brought.
Speaker 1: I was saying when he threw his second pick. First
Speaker 1: one was ugly, second one, it's windy. It's man the
Speaker 1: man coverage. I have always defended Darnold. I remember when
Speaker 1: Perty on a Monday night football game had three picks
Speaker 1: against Carolina, and I said, he's not healthy. You can
Speaker 1: tell the ball's dying. Purty's ball doesn't die. Remember he
Speaker 1: threw those two over the middle picks. They both died,
Speaker 1: were both behind the receiver, and I said, this isn't
Speaker 1: the real Purty. Purty's ball doesn't die. He's got a
Speaker 1: good arm. He doesn't have a great arm, but he's
Speaker 1: got a good arm. He also was five for seven
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty six passer rating once they lost Kittle.
Speaker 1: I by the way, I've seen Purty in the last
Speaker 1: month win twice without Kittle, so that to me is growth.
Speaker 1: They had Trent Williams, but this Shanahan has a real
Speaker 1: offensive philosophy. I'll go back to Nick Sirianni. What is
Speaker 1: his You don't see you see the coaching with Kurt Signetty.
Speaker 1: You saw the coaching today with Kyle Shanahan. You don't
Speaker 1: see it with Sirianni. What is he?
Speaker 2: Well can I and how He's probably gonna get mad
Speaker 2: at me about this, But they made a mistake. Aj
Speaker 2: clearly wanted out. It was not going well. They should
Speaker 2: have traded him at the trade deadline. Because one thing
Speaker 2: that was very evident today is the forty nine Ers
Speaker 2: guys and by the time they were, you know, halftime
Speaker 2: of this game, it's it's you check McCaffrey's probably sixty
Speaker 2: percent some random wide receivers. They're ten toes deep all in.
Speaker 2: They are gonna go down swinging. They are all to
Speaker 2: get Trent Williams is playing probably seventy percent with a hamstring.
Speaker 2: It is no point. They really like each other. A. J.
Speaker 2: Brown's like drops the balls, like whatever, you know, I'll
Speaker 2: be gone anyway in a couple months. Anytime you bring
Speaker 2: that in, you got him and Sirianni barking at each other.
Speaker 2: And listen, I know Brady's like, hey, emotions, there's that's
Speaker 2: different between just emotions players. These two. This whole thing
Speaker 2: now John.
Speaker 1: Two years, get him out of here. Defonte's Smith is
Speaker 1: the number one. Goddard is one of the top six
Speaker 1: tight ends in the game. Saque, this is a team
Speaker 1: that doesn't need a number one. They've got one. Infante's
Speaker 1: a low one. AJ's a higher one. But I think
Speaker 1: what bothered me was the effort, you know, because AJ
Speaker 1: Brown complains a lot, and he had that ball that
Speaker 1: he kind of lost, so they went back to him
Speaker 1: and he did it again. And that's when Sirianni raced
Speaker 1: down it as if to say, bro, you are barking
Speaker 1: a lot. We threw you ball twice. You wentz for
Speaker 1: two and those are catchable balls.
Speaker 2: That thing, that thing just catches up to you, you know.
Speaker 2: And I think today was very, very evident about the
Speaker 2: fractures internally, because the one thing you say, their defense
Speaker 2: is really good. I mean the defense took a trick play.
Speaker 2: I mean it took you know, their offense just going
Speaker 2: three and out punting constantly. Their defense was fine. They
Speaker 2: had a defense so that you could win a super
Speaker 2: Bowl with. They feel like the crappiest talented offense I've
Speaker 2: ever seen, because there's no disputing the talent they have
Speaker 2: on the offense, right, I mean, it's it's really hard
Speaker 2: to watch, but they don't have a coach, the play caller.
Speaker 2: First time Colin plays just completely outmatched. You saw Robert
Speaker 2: Sala who I mean, it sucks for forty nine of people.
Speaker 2: He's probably gonna get a had job. You know. I
Speaker 2: think that his Jets tenure felt like an age better
Speaker 2: with every game they played. You know Sam Darnold too.
Speaker 2: I just think that that was that was one of
Speaker 2: the best Kyle Shanahan jobs you'll you'll ever see. They
Speaker 2: had one against Green Bay, remember in a cold game
Speaker 2: against Aaron Rodgers. He had won the MVP and they
Speaker 2: blocked a punt. But that team was much better. This
Speaker 2: team had no business that they would have probably been
Speaker 2: in a game against Carolina like let alone the talent
Speaker 2: of that Eagle team on the road in the in
Speaker 2: the under the lights, that first grade of a win
Speaker 2: is this for Kyle and the forty nine ers, and
Speaker 2: it is. That's one of the worst ploff losses you'll
Speaker 2: ever see. It really is fact.
Speaker 1: During the tire Sirianni preaches, win the turnover battle. You're
Speaker 1: at home, you win the turnover battle. I mean, think
Speaker 1: about that, George.
Speaker 2: You get a second half intercept.
Speaker 1: George Kittle gets hurt, the Niners have a twenty seven
Speaker 1: yard punt, everything lined up, and you still couldn't win.
Speaker 1: And again, I'll say it, when you watch great coaching,
Speaker 1: you can see the coaching through the television. Vic Fangio's coaching,
Speaker 1: I can see Brian I can see Brian Flores coaching defensively,
Speaker 1: hyper aggressive. I have no idea what the Eagles offensive
Speaker 1: philosophy is. That's why they are so coordinator dependent. Like
Speaker 1: McVeigh and Shanahan, Andy Reider not coordinator dependent. Harbor, his
Speaker 1: career hasn't been coordinated dependent. Nick Serreanni is completely utterly
Speaker 1: coordinator dependent. And in the end, twenty three to nineteen
Speaker 1: Niners win. Uh. By the way, so.
Speaker 2: I got one for you really quick, Colin. I mean,
Speaker 2: if you were a Philly you know he worked from
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight to two thousand and seven for the
Speaker 2: Philadelphia Eagles, would you be very interested in John Harbaugh
Speaker 2: because he's just a way better guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I don't know if Howie Roseman wants somebody
Speaker 1: that has that much personality, culture and power, like Howie
Speaker 1: struggled with Chip Kelly. Remember he battled with Chip because
Speaker 1: Chip sees the world differently. Harbaugh's not coming in and
Speaker 1: having and having a GM that makes all the calls that.
Speaker 1: I think he'd be great, but I don't think he works.
Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski. I would who doesn't have any interest in
Speaker 1: the personnel, like and Andy Reid, like he he's very
Speaker 1: respectful of the position. Stefanski wants to coach. Oh, I
Speaker 1: could see Stefanski going there in a heartbeat.
Speaker 2: They already got the defense set up, you got the
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator under contract, you got the players, you got
Speaker 2: players on offense. I think, listen, the OC has been
Speaker 2: a polarizing individual. Wall Sea's long. I think this Sirianni
Speaker 2: thing will get loud here in the next mes philadelph
Speaker 2: the way, it's what makes.
Speaker 1: Forty nine ers. Now we'll go to Seattle. Seattle is
Speaker 1: a six and a half point favorite according to hard
Speaker 1: Rock Bet. The Rams will be a four and a
Speaker 1: half point favorite at the Bears. Uh. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I would.
Speaker 2: You said Rams are a four and a half point
Speaker 2: my favorite COG.
Speaker 1: I think I would probably take both dogs. I would
Speaker 1: take the Niners plus six and a half to keep
Speaker 1: it close, although you can prepare now knowing Kittle's not
Speaker 1: going to play that hurts. Also, also, this is a
Speaker 1: really physical game. Just let's just wait for injuries on
Speaker 1: San Francisco Bears plus four and a half. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: Soldier Fields twenty six miles from my house. It's like
Speaker 1: I could hear the place at the end of that game.
Speaker 1: That place was wild. Four and a half is a
Speaker 1: lot of points. It's going to be really cold and
Speaker 1: crappy weather. Yeah, yeah, I think I like thee.
Speaker 2: Like the Angels and the football gods are just hanging
Speaker 2: out in Chicago this year, So I wouldn't touch the
Speaker 2: Bears at this point. The Niners, you know, Chicago. I
Speaker 2: would say the thing about Chicago and the forty nine Ers,
Speaker 2: their seasons were both validated Saturday night and Sunday afternoon,
Speaker 2: Sunday night, like this, they're playing with house money. The
Speaker 2: thing you would say with Chicago, they just still have
Speaker 2: more firepower, you know, dressing out on game day, so
Speaker 2: you can never count them out because offensively, I mean
Speaker 2: Lovelin looked like Kelsey in his prime. The other receivers
Speaker 2: they have, I mean, Caleb's magic. It does feel like
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers. It's gonna be hard to not
Speaker 2: be out of gas after losing George Kittle, who really
Speaker 2: is the heartbeat of the operation. He's so good. Terror's Achilles.
Speaker 2: I'd be it's a pretty good spot for Seattle. You
Speaker 2: just killed them. I think you'll get some fight, but
Speaker 2: I would imagine that's not gonna be a nice weather
Speaker 2: game Seattle mid January, and I don't know, they don't
Speaker 2: have the game time to do that. No, not ye.
Speaker 2: I would say that's a pretty good draw. I'm sure
Speaker 2: we'll get into the Rams. But you know this might
Speaker 2: open up a little bit for the Rams. You get
Speaker 2: the Eagles defense out of there. You know, you get
Speaker 2: a lineup if they can take care of Chicago, which
Speaker 2: is going to be difficult with a matchup with the
Speaker 2: team they know very well in Seattle. So they got
Speaker 2: life after yesterday. God, they looked weird.
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, while trailing today, went fourteen of sixteen with
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty three passer rating and three total touchdowns.
Speaker 1: You know, Josh Allen was ninety percent of the bill's
Speaker 1: yards lebron Esque five for five and sixty five of
Speaker 1: sixty six total yards on the game winning drive. You know,
Speaker 1: playing from behind on the road, being totally dependent on
Speaker 1: one guy isn't a recipe for success. You know, somebody
Speaker 1: had said it, whoever won that game is going to win,
Speaker 1: is going to win the AFC. I don't believe. I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: Josh Allens is as good a football player if I've
Speaker 1: ever seen in my life. I mean, I'll just say
Speaker 1: that he's as good a football player in the history
Speaker 1: of the game I put him. I think he's better
Speaker 1: than Elway. I think he's better than Marino. I think
Speaker 1: he's I think he's more talented than Mahomes. I just
Speaker 1: don't know how long forget a superhero. He's like Zeus,
Speaker 1: He's like a god among gods. Like it's just a
Speaker 1: different level of player. What was your big take? I mean,
Speaker 1: by the way he got checked for concussion, he twisted
Speaker 1: his knee, so he was not playing in one hundred percent,
Speaker 1: and yet he wins in Jacksonville. What'd you make of it?
Speaker 2: I thought, you, like everyone, he was remarkable. That that
Speaker 2: was the Jags are really good, like really good. Now,
Speaker 2: the quarterback was a little shaky, and that was a
Speaker 2: big difference in the game. I thought, I mean, Josh
Speaker 2: dominated the game. The Cook, who is you know, one
Speaker 2: of the better non quarterback offensive players in the league,
Speaker 2: had forty six yards on the ground. But part of
Speaker 2: that's Jacksonville. It's hard to run against them. I just
Speaker 2: thought Buffalo all their chips going into this game were
Speaker 2: on him being a plus, and he was. His stats
Speaker 2: don't even do him justice, right, this is the one
Speaker 2: touchdown in the air he ran for two. But the
Speaker 2: Toush pushes which bit them in the you know what
Speaker 2: against the Chiefs, right, And they were mentioned this on
Speaker 2: the broadcast. They told Dance Spagnola last year he likes
Speaker 2: to go left on the Toush push. They knew it
Speaker 2: was coming and he was just getting I mean the
Speaker 2: one that went almost ten years parts. I don't know
Speaker 2: where you stood. But when they had a minute left
Speaker 2: and the Jags only had one time out, I probably
Speaker 2: would have melt it and ran that thing down to
Speaker 2: like twenty five seconds and then tried to just three
Speaker 2: touch pushes because they had the timeouts. Their kicker in
Speaker 2: Jacksonville can kick it from like eighty yards. The Bills
Speaker 2: defense is obviously they made a great play but I
Speaker 2: thought that was pretty bold just to score that fast.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean I thought, you know, Jokic, it's
Speaker 2: much more of an NBA operation, Steph Curry, Lebron, Kobe
Speaker 2: in his prime, just a guy that's completely unstopable. You
Speaker 2: don't really see that. I mean though, right because Peyton
Speaker 2: Manning or Tom Brady's team were much more balanced, that's
Speaker 2: not the case.
Speaker 1: The Bears did it, and we'll get to them in
Speaker 1: a minute. But the Bears scored very, very quickly, and
Speaker 1: so I think sometimes in these playoff games, I mean,
Speaker 1: Jacksonville doesn't get to the playoffs much. They just want
Speaker 1: the points. You know, They're just gonna take the points.
Speaker 1: Chicago didn't get to the playoffs much. They're facing Green Bay.
Speaker 1: If we can take a touchdown. That's what Lincoln Riley
Speaker 1: said when they took the lead on Illinois. It's like,
Speaker 1: we're on the road, I'm gonna take We're gonna go
Speaker 1: for the touchdown. So I'll never rip a staff for
Speaker 1: doing that. Like sometimes you're like, guys, this is foreign territory.
Speaker 1: I'm not like I thought Ben Johnson got too cute
Speaker 1: in his coaching. I think Liam Curry's like let's just
Speaker 1: get in the end zone. Let's not worry about it.
Speaker 1: If they beat us like that, then then we lost
Speaker 1: to an all time great. You know when it's funny
Speaker 1: about Buffalo. So like I didn't think Jacksonville played poorly,
Speaker 1: they did get beat by the Rams soundly earlier this year.
Speaker 1: Jacksonville's one of those teams, and I really failed to
Speaker 1: buy into them all year until the last two weeks
Speaker 1: when they beat Denver. I was like, Okay, I can't
Speaker 1: deny this. Do we take something from this because they
Speaker 1: they were Buffalo was a favorite in this game, and
Speaker 1: I didn't get the line. I said, I don't understand
Speaker 1: the line. I think it should be like I think,
Speaker 1: I think Jacksonville should be like a three point favorite,
Speaker 1: not a point and a half dog. Like I thought
Speaker 1: the line was four points off.
Speaker 2: But I think I think it flipped by kickoff. I
Speaker 2: think it was like JAG's bos one. So I think
Speaker 2: a bunch of money came in on Buffalo over the.
Speaker 1: Course of the I did think early in the game,
Speaker 1: Sean McDermot and his staff I could see the plan,
Speaker 1: like I thought they came and energized because they'd struggled
Speaker 1: all year. As a first half team. But I watched
Speaker 1: the first half and I was like, I kind of
Speaker 1: felt like I was watching the plan and I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: because my fear all week. I was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: could see it being twenty one to three and Jacksonville
Speaker 1: just coming out home playoff game. Buffalo's a slow starting team.
Speaker 1: But I thought Buffalo's first half it's not just the
Speaker 1: end of the game. I thought they'd played a really
Speaker 1: strong first half. It was imperfect, but you know, I
Speaker 1: said all year long, I don't trust Jacksonville. They're just released,
Speaker 1: they're squirrely. I don't trust them. Did you feel like
Speaker 1: it was like are you disappointed with the Jags or
Speaker 1: do you feel like you know it's just the first
Speaker 1: Liam Cohen step and this is it's always been about
Speaker 1: and playoff football.
Speaker 2: Well, their team is really talented, but their quarterback had
Speaker 2: been lights out the last two months of the season.
Speaker 2: I mean he had been in December. He was There
Speaker 2: was not a hotter team coming into the NFL, and
Speaker 2: he was a massive part of it. Today, I thought
Speaker 2: he was all over the map. I mean, obviously he
Speaker 2: made some nice passes, but there were passes he was
Speaker 2: putting it into Harm's way constantly. There was a gap.
Speaker 2: This happens in the NBA series. A lot right. Pick
Speaker 2: the team with the best player is usually the old
Speaker 2: adage when gambling on a playoff series in the NBA.
Speaker 2: That was kind of my logic in this game, because
Speaker 2: I think if you reverse the quarterbacks and push Josh
Speaker 2: Allen on the Jags, Jags would win this thing, like
Speaker 2: thirty five to ten. They would kill them. It would
Speaker 2: if you told me Josh Allen's on the Jags roster.
Speaker 2: I think the Jags would cruise some Super Bowl in
Speaker 2: the AFC. And Trevor had like taken the step and
Speaker 2: been like, Okay, this is the guy that we had
Speaker 2: kind of anointed. They gave two hundred million dollars to
Speaker 2: last year, and today I thought, actually they got a
Speaker 2: little pass half. I get when McVeigh does it. It's
Speaker 2: like I don't always agree, but it's like he's got Stafford,
Speaker 2: he leans on him, okay, or Andy, he's got Mahomesy.
Speaker 2: Like Trevor was shaky, you were. They were running it
Speaker 2: for over six yards of Carrie etn a ten carries
Speaker 2: for almost seventy yards. John the Twutin guy had four
Speaker 2: carries for fifty yards. He was and his longest run
Speaker 2: was twenty, so it's not like he had a forty
Speaker 2: yard run. They were having. The Bills are not. They
Speaker 2: have a lot of guys on defense beside their d
Speaker 2: line's good, but their safeties and linebackers aren't exactly you know,
Speaker 2: John Lynch and ray Lewis, so you can push. That's
Speaker 2: the thing with Baltimore when they lost him last year,
Speaker 2: It's like, how did you guys not just lean on them?
Speaker 2: When you get pass happy in the NFL, look at
Speaker 2: the diners. Weird things can happen. dB can kind of
Speaker 2: stay in your hip pocket, a ball gets tipped, the
Speaker 2: ball's picked, and I thought, you know Liam Cohen, I
Speaker 2: understand his quarterback had a bunch of momentum, but you
Speaker 2: can feel it out in the game, like, hey, Trevor's
Speaker 2: a little off. And the other thing that benefited Buffalo
Speaker 2: is you watch Chicago, you watch Philly were it's freezing cold.
Speaker 2: I mean people were in the pool. There benefit Josh
Speaker 2: Allen to play in a seventy degree day. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the other thing is when I look at that game,
Speaker 1: is that like I love Parker Washington. I mean the
Speaker 1: fact that he was a sixth round pick. There's so
Speaker 1: much talent in this league. Kittle's a fifth round pick,
Speaker 1: Parker Washington is six. I think brock Perty's a seventh.
Speaker 1: I think Jennings is a six or a seventh for
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. There's so much damn talent in
Speaker 1: the NFL. I mean, there's so much talent just spread
Speaker 1: across the world. Parker Washington is I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: of the great ab was a sixth round draft pick,
Speaker 1: the great mel Gray was a sixth round draft pick.
Speaker 1: Parker Washington sixth round draft Like, there's been great players
Speaker 1: in the sixth round at wide receiver, and that's a
Speaker 1: position there's just a lot of, you know, especially in
Speaker 1: the last ten years. But when I look at Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence Is, I think it was one of those things.
Speaker 1: He was so good as a freshman at Clemson, beating Alabama.
Speaker 1: He was so good in high school, he was so
Speaker 1: good in college that I think I always just put
Speaker 1: him in this elite Andrew Luck class, and when I
Speaker 1: watch him play, I think he's really good. He's not
Speaker 1: a great talent. He's a good quarterback. His arm is good.
Speaker 1: It's not great. His athletic ability is good, it's not
Speaker 1: it's it's not like a plus plus. I think he's
Speaker 1: a good quarterback, but I think I've just overvalued him
Speaker 1: because I liked him so much in college. I was
Speaker 1: I mean, you beat Nick Saban and the Dynasty as a
Speaker 1: freshman and you're like key to the game. It's like,
Speaker 1: I just couldn't unsee that, and I just for years.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because Greg Cosell very early came on
Speaker 1: my show. It was like year two of Josh Allen
Speaker 1: and he goes, Trevor Lawrence is not close to Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: He goes, I'm just telling you what the tape says.
Speaker 1: Josh Allen is going to be so much better. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, really, okay, Well, I mean Trevor's banged up,
Speaker 1: and I think I've just always overvalued Trevor, who is
Speaker 1: a good quarterback, but he's not. You watch Caleb Williams
Speaker 1: on a couple of those throws. That fourth and eight
Speaker 1: throw with five forty left by Caleb Williams is one
Speaker 1: of the best throws I've ever seen in a football
Speaker 1: game by a quarterback, a right hander throwing moving left.
Speaker 1: I'm just watching him like I don't even know what
Speaker 1: that and then they show it from behind Caleb and
Speaker 1: you're like, what the hell did he see? Like how
Speaker 1: did he do that?
Speaker 2: Well, there are three guys. There are three guys in
Speaker 2: the league that could have pulled that off, obviously Caleb,
Speaker 2: Josh and Justin Herbert. And now looking back, Josh and
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert, I think we'd all agree are just pure
Speaker 2: talent wise, as talented as any human beings that have
Speaker 2: played in this league. When you talk about size, speed
Speaker 2: and arm, you know, velocity. Thing with Trevor Lawrence, he's
Speaker 2: much closer to the to the Manning crew in terms
Speaker 2: of arm strength Philip Rivers in his prime, but he's
Speaker 2: not that accurate. He's not mister Accuracy. So like part
Speaker 2: of it is like he was with this great prospect
Speaker 2: like Luck or Peyton Manning, because that was the buzz
Speaker 2: when he was coming out. But part Luck had a
Speaker 2: better arm and was much more of a physical player.
Speaker 2: You know, Trevor has some times when he's running he
Speaker 2: gets tackled, like he goes down. You know, Josh gets
Speaker 2: tackled he's flying forward. But I'm looking this, he threw
Speaker 2: sixty percent and I think Brady and Peyton Mannaby the
Speaker 2: first to tell you, like, do you watch this league now,
Speaker 2: if you're not in the high sixties with the rules
Speaker 2: on your side, that's a problem in an offensive oriented league,
Speaker 2: and that they're pretty loaded offensively with talent. So I listen,
Speaker 2: he's much improved. I think the thing that you have
Speaker 2: to be excited for if you're Jacksonville, you know I
Speaker 2: had him in like that to a world like this
Speaker 2: guy making a lot of money, he's you can win
Speaker 2: with him if you build the team. But like I
Speaker 2: A'm betting on this guy in a playoff game when
Speaker 2: he's playing Josh Allen or Jill Burrow or Lamar Jackson
Speaker 2: because there's a gap there that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not an effort, he's not a first tier guy,
Speaker 1: and that's okay. He's not justin Herbert. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's c J. Stroud. C J. Stroud's accurate, like like Trevor's.
Speaker 1: I think to your point, his delivery is a little long.
Speaker 1: I just don't think he's a terribly accurate thrower. And
Speaker 1: by the way, either is Caleb. But Caleb gives you
Speaker 1: so much horsepower that you can't I mean I've said this,
Speaker 1: and let's just go to that game. Chicago thirty one,
Speaker 1: Green Bay twenty seven, nine hundred total yards is and
Speaker 1: I said this after the game, I did like a
Speaker 1: YouTube hit and I said, you know the boxes that
Speaker 1: Lway checked, durable, unbelievable in the fourth quarter, huge arm.
Speaker 1: We'll throw some picks, but not that many. You never
Speaker 1: really looked at him as he was accurate, but that
Speaker 1: wasn't his game. His game was durable, tough, smart, great
Speaker 1: in the fourth, doesn't get hurt, doesn't throw picks in
Speaker 1: the big spots late in games. That's kind of Caleb
Speaker 1: Williams like, I know, you know Green Bay fans all
Speaker 1: want to fire Matt Lafleur. But the truth is Green
Speaker 1: Bay fans were a little delusional John with Farvan Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Between those two for thirty years they got They got
Speaker 1: two Super Bowls and only three trips. They don't get
Speaker 1: free agents, they don't pay like other teams often do
Speaker 1: for core coordinators. When you don't have an owner, you
Speaker 1: can't make those decisions on the tarmac like Stan Kronky
Speaker 1: can make. And when I look at green Bay once
Speaker 1: they lose Michael Parsons it's okay, but they lost also
Speaker 1: Kenny Clark and Micah Parsons because Kenny Clark in the
Speaker 1: trade of Dallas and at the end of that game.
Speaker 1: You know this, John, By the time you get to
Speaker 1: the end of a playoff game, it's three and a
Speaker 1: half hours of football. Your defense usually isn't at its best.
Speaker 1: Those big uglies up front are tired. And Caleb Williams
Speaker 1: had a little extra time. He moved out of the
Speaker 1: pocket four or five times, and he just those guys
Speaker 1: are tired. These are three hundred and thirty pound guys,
Speaker 1: and so I mean, everybody, everybody wants to pile on.
Speaker 1: But I think what the Bears did Saturday, John, this
Speaker 1: is what they are. They've done this like six times.
Speaker 1: This is what they are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, you've been talking about this. I
Speaker 2: talked about it last night on the podcast. Is you
Speaker 2: know Caleb part of when you discuss the draft prospect
Speaker 2: and you talk ceiling. He has one of the great
Speaker 2: arms we've ever seen. He's one of the great playmakers
Speaker 2: we've ever seen. Physically, his ability to move is elite.
Speaker 2: I'm talking behind the line of scrimmage, move and run.
Speaker 2: Jordan Love was a first round pick at the end
Speaker 2: of the first round. You know, Jordan Love is I
Speaker 2: think Dak Prescott or Kirk Cousins good player, solid, but
Speaker 2: his physical skills and he was a project once upon
Speaker 2: a time. They're okay. He's got solid arm, pretty accurate
Speaker 2: when he's in rhythm, can kind of move. Definitely not
Speaker 2: the best athlete in his own quarterback room. Right, So
Speaker 2: it's he's fine, but like you saw, the physical gifts
Speaker 2: like both that both those two teams. Shit was kind
Speaker 2: of hitting the fan. You need to make some stuff happen.
Speaker 2: And one thing, Caleb, why you can't really nitpick on
Speaker 2: the accuracy right now and listen, he's been inaccurate a
Speaker 2: little bit, right, some balls are flying. He makes up
Speaker 2: for it with these huge plays and obviously the play
Speaker 2: might be played the year so far on that four
Speaker 2: and eight, I mean save their season, right, twenty seven
Speaker 2: to sixteen. For the eight, he throws it over. When
Speaker 2: you really watch it in slow motion, there are three
Speaker 2: guys in yellow right in front of him. One guy,
Speaker 2: but you have to put it like layer the throw,
Speaker 2: it's crazy. That's one of the great throws you've ever seen.
Speaker 2: But so many other plays as the game went on,
Speaker 2: he kind of gets rolling. You've been saying he's a
Speaker 2: momentum player. Well, his momentum with this talent is unstoppable.
Speaker 2: Like Trevor Lawrence's momentum player too, but he can only
Speaker 2: do so much. When Josh Allen gets momentum, Holy you
Speaker 2: know what, the avalanche is coming and there is no
Speaker 2: stopping it. And the thing with the Bears, even unlike
Speaker 2: the Bills, like Lovelin has a chance to be an
Speaker 2: elite player in the NFL. DJ Moore had some drops,
Speaker 2: but he's been a high level NFL player now for
Speaker 2: what five six years. Roman Dunes was a top ten pick.
Speaker 2: They got DeAndre Swift had the best year of his career.
Speaker 2: The other running back seventh round pick, has been fantastic.
Speaker 2: I mean, they got so much talent and they got
Speaker 2: great guard center guard for smaller, shorter quarterback. Big picture,
Speaker 2: I think they did lose their left tackle though at
Speaker 2: the end of the game something, so that's not ideal.
Speaker 2: But luckily, this is the thing with the Josh Allens,
Speaker 2: the Calybs, even perty they've had, you gotta be able
Speaker 2: to move. Jordan Love doesn't. Really, He's not a bad athlete.
Speaker 2: But he's much closer to me, to like thirty five
Speaker 2: year old Dak Prescott than he is to these mobile quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: The other thing is the first half is a coaching half.
Speaker 1: To me, the second half you do need players to
Speaker 1: make plays because you're off the script. The first half,
Speaker 1: green Bay dominated, so don't blame Matt Lafleur. That was
Speaker 1: basically when Jordan Love was in rhythm, on script, on
Speaker 1: game plan. Jordan Love was rerealty good. In the second half.
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson overthought the first half, a little desperate on
Speaker 1: the going for it deep in his own territory. But
Speaker 1: in the second half, that's a player's half. That's a
Speaker 1: Josh Allen half. That's where Caleb Williams is shined. That's
Speaker 1: where John Elway shined. That is not a knock on
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, but I thought Matt Lafleur won the first half, okay,
Speaker 1: the second half is okay, quarterback versus quarterback. The gap
Speaker 1: between Caleb and Jordan Love was substantial, Like it was.
Speaker 1: It was a cleanup hitter and a six hitter like
Speaker 1: it was like wow, And I actually thought Ben Johns
Speaker 1: and got out coached, And that has not happened a
Speaker 1: lot this year. I thought I thought the first two
Speaker 1: two and a half quarters, I thought I thought Matt
Speaker 1: Lafleur did a good job. But I do think ask
Speaker 1: yourself people right now, and I guess the Bears are
Speaker 1: more the topic than the Packers. But would would would
Speaker 1: Matt Leaflor get a job instantly? Yes, despite blowing a
Speaker 1: twenty one to three lead, he'd get a job in
Speaker 1: forty eight hours. Be very careful. Green Bay far got
Speaker 1: one Super Bowl title, Aaron Rodgers got one. And by
Speaker 1: the way, the NFC is much better now than three
Speaker 1: years ago. It's real. Okay, the Detroit Lions team that
Speaker 1: beat Aaron Rodgers, remember that game when they when they
Speaker 1: had a chance to win and go to the playoff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Detroit's gonna land Mike McDaniel at coordinator. They're going to
Speaker 1: be back. Chicago's for real. The Rams are going nowhere.
Speaker 1: Philadelphia is going to get a legit coach or an
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. So it's like, take a deep breath, green Bay,
Speaker 1: don't pull a Cleveland fire Stefanski, and Stefanski's the leading
Speaker 1: candidate for half his jobs. Chicago now will face the Rams.
Speaker 1: So the Rams. Here's the good news for Chicago Matt Stafford,
Speaker 1: especially on the road, he'll throw an ugly pick. Their
Speaker 1: special teams are a liability every other game, like also
Speaker 1: Luther Burden, Roma Dunze, Colston Lovelin. I don't love the corners.
Speaker 1: I think the Rams safeties are pretty good. I think
Speaker 1: their corners are. It's probably gonna be their first or
Speaker 1: second draft pick. I think Chicago's got a fighter's chance
Speaker 1: in this game, I really do. I think the Rams
Speaker 1: are really good. I mean, Puka was we'll get to
Speaker 1: that and say unstoppable. But I think the Bears match
Speaker 1: up okay against the Rams at home.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The one thing Sean mcvayh will do that, you know,
Speaker 2: Lafour tried to run the clock out in the second
Speaker 2: half kind of he's in full and they couldn't. And
Speaker 2: Dennis Allen deserves and the players deserve a lot of credit.
Speaker 2: They just I don't know how many Josh Jay yards
Speaker 2: he ran for minus the kickoff return, but had to
Speaker 2: be under twenty. He had nowhere to go. Sean McVay
Speaker 2: won't care. He wants to pass and sometimes he will
Speaker 2: lean on Stafford too much. But the Bears dbs are
Speaker 2: pretty bad right now, right Jalen Johnson.
Speaker 1: They also lost the linebacker. They lost an edge guy,
Speaker 1: So it's like, oh, brother, now.
Speaker 2: Who's the hard and soul of the defense. From a
Speaker 2: from a leadership standpoint call on the defense. They lose
Speaker 2: their left tackle, which is not ideal, you know, against
Speaker 2: a team with some good passage. Yeah, listen, the Rams
Speaker 2: went through a weird stretch yesterday. I mean they look
Speaker 2: like the team that for a couple of quarters against Arizona.
Speaker 2: You're like Sean McVay had to look on his face
Speaker 2: like I might just go to Amazon here in a week.
Speaker 2: What are we doing guys? Like this is but where
Speaker 2: you can take advantage of Chicago is those widers. I
Speaker 2: mean Puka, I don't think we've ever seen a receiver
Speaker 2: quite that plays like him, and DeVante is a pretty
Speaker 2: special number two. Their tight ends, I'll catch the ball. Well,
Speaker 2: they got multiple running backs and can catch the ball.
Speaker 2: He can call screens. This is a more buttoned up
Speaker 2: unit than Green Bay. But like it's not like you
Speaker 2: get the Rams coming in with a ton of momentum.
Speaker 2: I kind of came away from that team. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I can see the Rams winning the NFC. I could
Speaker 2: also see them losing to anybody, and like you said,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a freezing cold thing. Here's that this
Speaker 2: fan base, Like there aren't that many Luca Jacksonville to day,
Speaker 2: it just looked like a j hum NFL random October Sunday.
Speaker 2: The Bears game feels like LSU at night, Like it
Speaker 2: feels like something pretty, which is cool in this day
Speaker 2: and age where you get online everyone hates each other,
Speaker 2: like everyone coming together. I can't even imagine the experience
Speaker 2: of those people walking out the stadium all going to
Speaker 2: bars after. It had to be like a religious experience
Speaker 2: being at that game against that team, so that the
Speaker 2: crowd is gonna be I would put it against anyone
Speaker 2: because they have nothing to go back on, like at
Speaker 2: least seattles, like a lot of the season ticket holders
Speaker 2: have seen super Bowl level teams like this Bear's team.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is like Caleb didn't even get four
Speaker 2: thousand yards. He's still throw for more yards than any
Speaker 2: guy in the history of the franchise right this season.
Speaker 2: So I just think that environment, Like you can tell
Speaker 2: Eagles fans, I don't think they like this team because
Speaker 2: they didn't trust Sirianni. They didn't trust Jalen Hurts the
Speaker 2: Bear's team. I just think that environment is going to
Speaker 2: be pretty special come next week. That is not an
Speaker 2: easy place to.
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Speaker 1: was thinking about this today, is that you know, there's
Speaker 1: not many pocket only quarterbacks left because Pretty actually really
Speaker 1: moves exceptionally well.
Speaker 2: He really does.
Speaker 1: Pretty really moves. He's a real athlete. Jared Goff and Stafford,
Speaker 1: you and I talked about this could have been last week.
Speaker 1: If the initial play doesn't work for the Rams, it's over.
Speaker 1: And sometimes Matt will uncork a really bad throw. You
Speaker 1: go look at the last two drives for the Bears.
Speaker 1: John If the play doesn't work, you have a separate play.
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams just you know, Romadunze, Luther Burden, Colston Lovin.
Speaker 1: The Bears are young. Those guys are all young. They
Speaker 1: haven't dealt with NFL injuries. I mean, Burden's a rookie.
Speaker 1: Loveland Roma duns it, dude, there. They got kids out there.
Speaker 1: Those guys are high energy guys, and it kind of
Speaker 1: turns into a seven on seven drill when the play
Speaker 1: breaks down. So you get Ben Johnson's play design and
Speaker 1: play calling. Oh it doesn't work, Okay, we have a
Speaker 1: second play. The Rams have a play, and if it
Speaker 1: doesn't work, that's the end of the play. And so
Speaker 1: four and a half points at home with that Ram secondary.
Speaker 1: I just I mean, I watched Josh Allen today and
Speaker 1: then I watched Caleb Williams last night, and I think
Speaker 1: you and I know this. It feels like the Rams
Speaker 1: peaked about six weeks ago. They're just not quite tight.
Speaker 1: They had an injury, Kevin Dohnson didn't play, so they
Speaker 1: had a couple of mistakes on the offensive line. They
Speaker 1: just didn't feel I mean, I was sitting there at
Speaker 1: one point thinking Caroline is going to beat the Rams twice.
Speaker 2: I don't understand the league.
Speaker 1: I don't even understand it.
Speaker 2: Same I. They just aren't as dominant as a pass rush.
Speaker 2: I think as we thought they were going to be.
Speaker 1: I mean, the I want to talk about this.
Speaker 2: He's not He's not the most mobile guy. And even
Speaker 2: he got away, Caleb's a completely thirty.
Speaker 1: Four to thirty one Rams do beat Carolina. So I
Speaker 1: keep hearing about Chris Shula. Oh boy, this is remember
Speaker 1: when Brandon Staley was there? Oh this this this stay guy.
Speaker 1: And I keep saying guys raheem Morris, Oh he was
Speaker 1: around McVeigh. This guy's magic. Now he's fired again. I
Speaker 1: keep hearing about Chrishula. Carolina went four for four in
Speaker 1: the red zone Carolina. There were multiple times Carolina on
Speaker 1: third down made huge plays. It's like, I got nothing
Speaker 1: against Chrishula. But I felt all year that the Rams
Speaker 1: pass rush has kind of underachieved.
Speaker 2: I just I don't.
Speaker 1: I have a hard time watching the Rams defense and
Speaker 1: seeing the great coaching. I see the talent Young, Verse,
Speaker 1: Kobe Turner, Buonaford, I see the talent now an offense
Speaker 1: with McVeigh, I see the coaching, But this defense, to me,
Speaker 1: feels like it should be a little now. It was
Speaker 1: very good on the final drive when they could pin
Speaker 1: their ears back and Bryce Young was under duressed. And
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, but that it should look like that
Speaker 1: during the first, second and third quarters more often, is
Speaker 1: my point.
Speaker 2: You know one thing that stood out to me in
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, they when they lost to
Speaker 2: Atlanta on Monday Night. Aikman mentioned something on that broadcast.
Speaker 2: He said that McVeigh called Verse into his office because
Speaker 2: he wanted to show him that he's playing well even
Speaker 2: though he doesn't have that much to show for it.
Speaker 2: To me, that show is like you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: I was like, well, not that there's fractures internally, but
Speaker 2: this guy was supposed to be one of the next,
Speaker 2: I don't know, the next Khalil Mack. I would have
Speaker 2: bet on him to take a huge step and be
Speaker 2: one of the most dominant players in the league after
Speaker 2: last year. And you just watched these games and you
Speaker 2: don't feel his specific presence, and you know, sometimes power
Speaker 2: guys they just I don't know. I thought his power
Speaker 2: was just so overwhelming it wouldn't matter. But they are
Speaker 2: going if they're gonna win the NFC these next couple
Speaker 2: weeks against two, you know, it's gonna be really hard
Speaker 2: for the Niners to win, but probably against Sam Darnold
Speaker 2: and obviously Caleb Williams, they're gonna have to just get
Speaker 2: constant pressure and it's gonna have to start with him,
Speaker 2: like he's got to take over these games. And you're
Speaker 2: watching Carolina now, listen, McMillan's really talented player. That Cocher
Speaker 2: kids playing out of his mind. Laget was a high pick.
Speaker 2: I mean they got down absolutely, but if you got Rice,
Speaker 2: he should fold. He's not very big and they couldn't
Speaker 2: get around him and he was just making plays. So
Speaker 2: I'm kind of out on the Rams just because something's
Speaker 2: just off. I can't put my finger on it. But
Speaker 2: you know, when you watch it, you go, I don't know,
Speaker 2: something weird because that the way the game started. You
Speaker 2: think they're gonna win this thing thirty to ten, and
Speaker 2: they're up seventeen to seven driving, he goes for it,
Speaker 2: doesn't get it. They come back score and up until
Speaker 2: the last like five minutes of the game, they were
Speaker 2: kind of against the ropes, way too much against a
Speaker 2: team that listen, give give hat tip to Carolina for fighting,
Speaker 2: but they should not be able to hold it within three. Again,
Speaker 2: the Rams were didn't have points.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again Rico doubt ol tea Mac. They've got
Speaker 1: some offensive talent and Bryce Young. Here's my question, what
Speaker 1: do you do with Bryce Young? I mean, he's good
Speaker 1: enough to win that division, He's not good enough to
Speaker 1: win a lot of divisions. I feel like he's he
Speaker 1: would be one of those great bridge quarterbacks. He's a
Speaker 1: little small for me, it's about five to eleven. He
Speaker 1: did not have a big arm. He moves exceptionally well.
Speaker 1: The players like him he's supposed to be. He's really
Speaker 1: a good kid, like he's all in. I don't know
Speaker 1: what to do with him. I think if you're Carolina,
Speaker 1: if it was a great quarterback class, maybe that solves it.
Speaker 1: It's not. So my take is, do you just extend him,
Speaker 1: try to get a team friendly? What do you do?
Speaker 2: I think Schefter said they're picking up his fifth year option.
Speaker 2: I did the math. It will work out to about
Speaker 2: two years, thirty two million dollars. So I'm not into
Speaker 2: giving him one of those two Jordan Love extensions. But
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones got fifteen million dollars this offseason, so essentially,
Speaker 2: you're buying two years of bridge quarterback play while you
Speaker 2: keep figuring it out. They do have some talent on
Speaker 2: their team. Six weeks ago, I would have been like that,
Speaker 2: it's insane. You watch him down the stretch, you go
Speaker 2: listen if you could do way worse. You clearly like him.
Speaker 2: Figure it out as you go. But I don't think
Speaker 2: you can ever give him one of those big contracts.
Speaker 2: He's just not It's hard to play in the league
Speaker 2: at five ten a buck eighty. You know, when you
Speaker 2: don't have a great army, you're not that mobile. He's
Speaker 2: actually really impressive what he's even able to do. I mean,
Speaker 2: he was a huge recruit, goes to Alabama, played well.
Speaker 2: He's a pretty remarkable story when you just look at
Speaker 2: how good he is with his size. I don't think
Speaker 2: we'll ever see that again, do you a guy that's
Speaker 2: small get drafted that high and just be a starter
Speaker 2: in the league for as long as he's gonna be.
Speaker 2: It's it's kind of an outlier situation, but I think financially,
Speaker 2: I have a hard time ever seeing him getting a
Speaker 2: massive contract.
Speaker 1: Feel very much a mid thirties a Baker a Darnold contract.
Speaker 1: Darnold at this point is underpaid, regardless of what you
Speaker 1: think of him. No, I'm with you. I think you
Speaker 1: know again, I think the Bears have a real shot
Speaker 1: against the Rams, I really do. I kind of agree
Speaker 1: with you that I think Philadelphia is a little bit
Speaker 1: or Philadelphia took a chunk out of the Niners. I
Speaker 1: just don't know if the Niners. You fly all the
Speaker 1: way back home, then you fly up to Seattle, and
Speaker 1: Seattle sitting there now. The good news is the Niners,
Speaker 1: you know, fresh off a win, will probably be very
Speaker 1: good in the first couple of drives of the game,
Speaker 1: Seattle could come out and be very rusty. I didn't
Speaker 1: like the fact that Seattle had a bye week. They're
Speaker 1: too young. They want to play. Those bye weeks are
Speaker 1: I mean, we saw this in college football. Bye weeks
Speaker 1: hurt teams outside of Indiana. Well, that's because it's young athletes.
Speaker 1: Young athletes want to play. If you have an old team,
Speaker 1: you know, like Stan Francisco this week, they'd be great
Speaker 1: getting time off. But Philadelphia was you know, you give
Speaker 1: somebody like that time off. I don't think Denver or
Speaker 1: Seattle will be better necessarily. I think it makes them
Speaker 1: more vulnerable. But I think over the course of a game,
Speaker 1: I think the Niners, I think they'll just you know,
Speaker 1: they're gonna take too many shots. That feels like a
Speaker 1: game that San Francisco could lead like thirteen ten at
Speaker 1: half and then Seattle just relentless athletes pressure Perdy gets
Speaker 1: hit as a beat. All of a sudden, you look
Speaker 1: up and it's like, okay, now it's thirty twenty and
Speaker 1: San Francisco's out of gas with about eight minutes to go.
Speaker 2: Well, typically in the NFL, when a team, I think
Speaker 2: you know from a gambling standpoint. When a team gets
Speaker 2: blown out late in the season by a team and
Speaker 2: plays them again, the score is much closer, right, and
Speaker 2: these guys know each other really well. I do think
Speaker 2: Kittle's a massive blow in their run game situation that's
Speaker 2: really really hard to overcome. But yeah, I mean, the
Speaker 2: Niners at this point have nothing to lose. So anytime
Speaker 2: you play a team, to ask Philadelphia, a team with
Speaker 2: not much to lose at all, all the pressures on you.
Speaker 2: Of the pie chart, one hundred percent of the pressure
Speaker 2: day was on Philadelphia. And as the game got weird, ye,
Speaker 2: all the forty nine ers want to do is just
Speaker 2: keep it weird, keep it close. Same thing with Seattle.
Speaker 2: If you're down thirteen to ten at halftime, that is
Speaker 2: a gigantic win. I mean, you know it's it's.
Speaker 1: And you could see John and you could see Seattle's
Speaker 1: game plan coming in as guys, we have the better roster,
Speaker 1: we're at home. Yeah, it's gonna be very conservative game plan.
Speaker 1: We're gonna win this game. You could see Mike McDonald saying, guys,
Speaker 1: we're gonna win this game in the third quarter. Let's
Speaker 1: not make any mistakes. So San Francisco probably comes in
Speaker 1: pretty aggressive. Seattle comes in super conservative. So if I
Speaker 1: had to bet anything, I would bet the Niners in
Speaker 1: the first half. But I do think there's just a
Speaker 1: wave of Seattle athleticism and youth and health, and their
Speaker 1: roster is completely healthy. I think I think at some
Speaker 1: point rosters when you have a good head coach Mike
Speaker 1: McDonald's several notches above Nick Cerianni, they have good coordinators
Speaker 1: and good culture, I think Seattle wears them out.
Speaker 2: Not shocking really thinking about it. The NFC West, who
Speaker 2: the one seed, the five seed, and the six seed,
Speaker 2: are three of the four teams left, and there's a
Speaker 2: pretty good chance, you know, if somehow the Bears football
Speaker 2: angel doesn't show up when they play the Rams, that
Speaker 2: it's going to be an NFC West NFC championship game,
Speaker 2: which we've seen so many times over the last ten
Speaker 2: to fifteen years, right going back to Harbaugh and Pete
Speaker 2: Carroll through McVeigh and Shanahan. So I just think that
Speaker 2: the travel for these teams, right, I mean, look at
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers going to Seattle's what a couple
Speaker 2: hour flight. I mean the Rams, that's all the one
Speaker 2: thing I will give the Rams a little bit of
Speaker 2: that is a you play this eight nine team, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I've never made the flight from Lax to Charlotte,
Speaker 2: but it's minimum five hours. Like it it's a long trek, right,
Speaker 2: and George Kittle talked about this last week when they lost.
Speaker 2: When you play these playoff games against these the forty
Speaker 2: nine ers had a four and a half five hour
Speaker 2: flight to go to Philadelphi. These are long trips, you know.
Speaker 2: It's why it's such a big advantage for Seattle and Denver.
Speaker 2: You just kind of sit there and wait so and
Speaker 2: you let the other team get the living you know
Speaker 2: what they beat out of them, Like even the Rams,
Speaker 2: it's like, well they played, they were ten and a
Speaker 2: half point favorite. Yeah, they had to really strain to
Speaker 2: win that game. So it's just now sometimes use that
Speaker 2: as momentum. We've seen the ELI teams make crazy runs
Speaker 2: right as wild cards, and sometimes you run out of gas.
Speaker 2: So it's no different with the Bears. Like that's they've
Speaker 2: had a pretty crazy emotional month plus wins an law,
Speaker 2: I mean that Niner loss. Then you saw them come
Speaker 2: out really flat against the Lions, but then they came
Speaker 2: storming back, and then last night, I just don't know
Speaker 2: how much emotionally they can ride the world. I've never
Speaker 2: because the Commanders didn't have as much offensive talent as
Speaker 2: the Bears do. I feel like talents exceptional, Yeah, just
Speaker 2: so it's they're much more serious. But for them to
Speaker 2: make this one with their defenses, because it did feel
Speaker 2: when they were down twenty one to three, you're like,
Speaker 2: they've had a remarkable season, they have the star coach,
Speaker 2: but you're gonna get destroyed.
Speaker 1: Even Ben Johnson, it was Ben Johnson's coach. He was like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to give the ball back to Green Bay.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go for it our thirty two yard line.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just basically he was telling you, I'm
Speaker 1: not giving their defense an opportunity to have a bigger
Speaker 1: like he didn't trust his defense. Dennis Allen does deserve credit.
Speaker 1: I thought the second half it was much more, much
Speaker 1: more aggressive game plan. All Right, a couple of college thoughts.
Speaker 1: So a week from now, on Monday. A week from Monday,
Speaker 1: Indiana is going to be potentially the third straight Big
Speaker 1: Ten team to win the national championship. Third straight year
Speaker 1: an SEC team doesn't even make it and it's really interesting.
Speaker 1: I went and looked today. Six of the seven top
Speaker 1: quarterbacks next season Dante more Mayava Underwood saying Sellers sores
Speaker 1: be the big twelve kid that goes from Cincinnati to
Speaker 1: Texas Tech. Six of the top seven outside of Arch
Speaker 1: Manning are non SEC quarterbacks. Indiana, Ohio State, Oregon, Mission
Speaker 1: Michigan with Winningham's going to be a very good football
Speaker 1: team immediately. They have a ton of talent. Say what
Speaker 1: you want. They stocked the cupboard. So Indiana, Ohio State, Oregon,
Speaker 1: Michigan should be top ten teams next year. USC Washington
Speaker 1: are as talented as they have been in the last
Speaker 1: five or six years. That Washington had a great recruiting class.
Speaker 1: They've been good in the portal. Se just had the
Speaker 1: number one recruiting class. So I think USC, Washington Penn
Speaker 1: State are somewhere between tenth and fifteenth or sixteenth is
Speaker 1: I was told this weekend by an agent that he said,
Speaker 1: listen SEC coaches privately, they know it's over, like they
Speaker 1: just know. You see, Alabama lost two stars. Now they
Speaker 1: went to the SEC. They went to Texas Oil money.
Speaker 1: But it was funny when I watched Ole Miss because
Speaker 1: I watched Georgia this year not only lose to Ole
Speaker 1: Miss lose Tobama once, but they could have lost to
Speaker 1: Tennessee Florida in Auburn, like they just weren't the same team.
Speaker 1: Is that it's in It's interesting to watch Indiana now,
Speaker 1: and I think we have to be honest about it
Speaker 1: because Mark Cuban just wrote a twelve or fifteen million
Speaker 1: lar check. Indiana now is a national power. Ohio State's
Speaker 1: now in national power. Oregon is not playing Indiana. If
Speaker 1: Oregon was playing anybody else, not in Nam. Indiana, they're
Speaker 1: a national power. Michigan with Whittingham will be a really,
Speaker 1: really really good team, like John I think when I
Speaker 1: look at it now and this is why the world changes.
Speaker 1: I was watching the story on Boeing today and everybody's
Speaker 1: like Boeing now in the last six months. Boeing was
Speaker 1: a wreck. Nine months ago, it was it was just
Speaker 1: a mess. It was completely dysfunctional. Boeing just turned it around.
Speaker 1: You can do this in business and you can now
Speaker 1: do it in the transfer portal. I think everybody has
Speaker 1: to just realize right now, Indiana, between their coach and
Speaker 1: their nil, it's a better football program than anybody in
Speaker 1: the SEC. They have a better coach, and they have
Speaker 1: easier access to massive eight figure capital annually. That is
Speaker 1: hard to wrap your brain around. But I'm sitting there
Speaker 1: watching Indiana and I'm like, just if you put Georgia's
Speaker 1: uniform in Indiana, you'd be like this, this is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: This is what they are now. Indiana is with signetti
Speaker 1: and there and there and I last year they got in,
Speaker 1: they didn't have big money, they had James Madison players
Speaker 1: and they made the playoff. So I guess my takeaway
Speaker 1: on all of this is Indiana is now just give
Speaker 1: the uniforms to Ohio State. This is what they're gonna
Speaker 1: look like every year. Right.
Speaker 2: Someone forwarded me a tweet from Connor Stallion's Harboz's old
Speaker 2: guy basically saying that you know, the local car dealership
Speaker 2: can no longer just put twenty thousand dollars in a
Speaker 2: bag and hand into a kid, right, because the minimum
Speaker 2: I mean you're talking you see some of the prices
Speaker 2: on these players. I didn't know this until the other night.
Speaker 2: Indiana has more alumni or you know, it's disputed, but
Speaker 2: definitely top two or three than any school in the
Speaker 2: country and all the other schools beside Arizona State are
Speaker 2: all big ten. So if you just do the math,
Speaker 2: if I have the most kids graduating for decades, I'm
Speaker 2: just going to have a higher percentage of people that
Speaker 2: are gonna do well and at these schools, even if
Speaker 2: you don't like sports that much. I had friends from
Speaker 2: high school that went to Oregon that went to Arizona,
Speaker 2: and I wouldn't call them like sports diehards. They're very
Speaker 2: passionate about their school. And when Arizona or Oregon, when
Speaker 2: these schools make runs in basketball or football, they are
Speaker 2: bound by that school. And like, that's a huge advantage
Speaker 2: for Ohio State. For Michigan the size of their alumni base,
Speaker 2: and let's face it, like how many billionaires are SEC
Speaker 2: graduates now, that could change. You know, their application base
Speaker 2: has dramatically grown over the last but those guys are
Speaker 2: thirty twenty eight. It's gonna take some time.
Speaker 1: Shoes Number one booster is a personal injury attorney. Well,
Speaker 1: you can't compete with Larry Ellison at Michigan and Mark Cuban,
Speaker 1: the biggest Georgia booster rest in piece. He was a
Speaker 1: beloved guy. He was a bourbon distributor. Again, awesome career.
Speaker 1: But you're talking about now big ten schools. This is
Speaker 1: something I talked about three years ago. Car dealer. A
Speaker 1: big car dealer is a number one or number two
Speaker 1: guy in the SEC that is not that guy's number eight,
Speaker 1: number ten in these Michigan and Notre Dame have endowments
Speaker 1: that are top ten in the country. There's just billionaires
Speaker 1: everywhere in USC right now. Forget the fact they get
Speaker 1: the ninety million dollar check. They're building a three hundred
Speaker 1: million dollar facility. They're buying the best class in the country.
Speaker 1: They have more money than they know.
Speaker 2: What to do with. Well, why do you think Cal
Speaker 2: at Stanford hired Andrew Luck and Ron Rivera? I think
Speaker 2: Cal has more billionaires than any other school in America
Speaker 2: because if they hired John Middlecoff to be the GM
Speaker 2: of Cal football, that guy I'm not going to pick
Speaker 2: up my phone call if Ron Rivera calls, not only
Speaker 2: we pick it up, Hey, come down to Google and
Speaker 2: have lunch with me. Right, Andrew Luck's getting all these
Speaker 2: guys to pick up So these schools. I'm just talking
Speaker 2: Cal in Stanford. So think of the advantage they have
Speaker 2: over every SEC. Program. So if they can get money in,
Speaker 2: they immediately can compete with those schools that like. That's
Speaker 2: Texas's big advantage. I think I saw Stuart Mandel or
Speaker 2: someone said that by all signs point to them having
Speaker 2: a forty plus million dollar roster. They have unlimited money.
Speaker 2: Same thing with Texas Tech. The Texas Tech quarterback that
Speaker 2: they just signed, they had to pay Cincinnati a million
Speaker 2: dollar buyout to get his services. He had a buyout
Speaker 2: plus in this country, so they gave him five million
Speaker 2: dollars and they gave Cincinnati or the nil or however
Speaker 2: it worked out a million dollars. Well, they can do
Speaker 2: it because they got the billionaire guy who is all in.
Speaker 2: And honestly, I've seen some of their I saw this
Speaker 2: interview on Instagram with this guy going around at a
Speaker 2: Texas Tech away game, and a lot of their boosters
Speaker 2: are oil guys, are very successful individuals.
Speaker 1: Texas Tech, Texas, Texas A, and M. It's Texas. But
Speaker 1: Texas is a massive economy, so at big time if
Speaker 1: you I mean, Texas Tech has far greater money than
Speaker 1: anybody in the SEC not called Texas and Texas A
Speaker 1: and M Alabama just lost just I think it was
Speaker 1: a star running back. They lost. Over the course of
Speaker 1: the weekend. They thought they had him. He committed, Texas
Speaker 1: came in Boom will take him. So, I mean, what
Speaker 1: would the SEC be now? Without Texas and Texas A and
Speaker 1: m they'd be.
Speaker 2: The Big twelve.
Speaker 1: They can't compete.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when Greg Byrne put out the tweet kind of
Speaker 2: begging for money a year ago, you knew, like, WHOA,
Speaker 2: that's crazy, pretty crazy. I mean, that's can you imagine
Speaker 2: that all of these other programs doing it. But I
Speaker 2: don't even blame it. He probably feels desperate. What else
Speaker 2: is he gonna do? Put a Venmo account? Link it
Speaker 2: to hell.
Speaker 1: Two other schools that are loaded, Notre Dame and Miami
Speaker 1: from the ACC. So they they are. So it's not
Speaker 1: just you know, three or four Big ten teams. It's
Speaker 1: Texas Tech, it's Miami, it's Notre Dame. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's so many great high school programs and coaches and
Speaker 1: players in the big in the SEC footprint. They're always
Speaker 1: going to have their players. But I was told this
Speaker 1: weekend by somebody, this is this is this isbody that
Speaker 1: is in He's like an agent for I mean, he
Speaker 1: had a big weekend this weekend with a couple of players.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you who they are, but there's a
Speaker 1: wide receiver that plays in the ACC that's going to
Speaker 1: get paid by a Big ten team and it's a
Speaker 1: lot of money. And I can't disclose the player or
Speaker 1: the money, but he's in this world. And it's like,
Speaker 1: there's so much money in the Big ten right now.
Speaker 1: There is so much money, all right, John Middlecoff, former
Speaker 1: NFL scout three and Out go crush that. Let's go
Speaker 1: watch the Patriots. Chargers.
Speaker 2: We got we got Netflix starting tomorrow, Colin so with
Speaker 2: the the three and Out podcast will be on Netflix
Speaker 2: starting tomorrow. So we're rocking and rolling. A lot of
Speaker 2: people have asked, I will This doesn't change at all
Speaker 2: with me and you and doesn't change anything from the audio.
Speaker 2: But Netflix, we're rocking and rolling tomorrow. So uh, come
Speaker 2: a long way here, let's keep it wrong.
Speaker 1: I'll be watching all right, the hard rock pick John.
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna take the Steelers at home Mike
Speaker 1: Tomlin on Monday Night minus three. What I worry about
Speaker 1: Houston as they settled for a lot of field goals
Speaker 1: in the red zone, and you know, I love C. J. Stroud,
Speaker 1: but between Gainwell Friarmouth, Jalen Warrens had a really interesting year.
Speaker 1: DK metcalf is back. It's Aaron Rodgers at home. He's
Speaker 1: not making a lot of mistakes. Tomlin is a dog.
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna take the Steelers plus three. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I've been saying all year how dangerous Houston is, but
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't unsee that second half of the
Speaker 1: Steelers over the Ravens. I think I like Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a Disney movie. I would take Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 2: but it's not. I like the Houston Texas. I like
Speaker 2: him so Rogers had a hell of a career. I
Speaker 2: think it comes to a screeching hault on Monday Night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that Texans pass.
Speaker 2: Rush gonna be a problem.
Speaker 1: Great stuff.
Speaker 2: The volume