WEBVTT - Ep. 53: Bear Grease [Render] - Waylon Wins, Flipping Four-wheelers, and Outlaw Debrief 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:17.080 Yeah. My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.680 of the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:25.200 where we render down, dive deeper, and looked behind the 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:30.040 scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:35.320 HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:39.280 that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore. 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:45.720 Remember that in Deliverance when I got come around the 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:48.400 corner and there he said, who's picking a banger here? 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:54.240 No story, You've never seen the movie in my life. 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:56.480 I have not seen Deliverance either. I was not allowed 0:00:56.480 --> 0:01:00.280 to victorious scenes in that movie that I'd want to 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:03.280 hear about it. Yeah, did you ever see that movie? Down? 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:08.319 When did that come out? Reynolds Probably seventies, Slate seventies, 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:12.160 wasn't it. I think it probably? Yes, MT seventy one. 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:14.880 It was early s early Okay, yeah, I would say 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:19.200 it was pretty early. I don't know what. Yeah, this 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:21.720 is a this is an interesting topic of conversation we're 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:25.440 gonna have today. Yeah it is. Yeah, listen, I want 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:27.479 so what we do on the Bargeras Render. If you're 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:29.800 not familiar, if you've just this is your first podcast, 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:33.120 we have. There are two styles of podcasts under the 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:36.319 Bargrease banner. So we have our what we just call 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:39.240 straight up barg Rease, which is our documentary style podcast, 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:43.200 which is gonna be multiple interviews telling the story, doctored 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:49.200 up music, soundscapes, really polished and produced. That's that. Then 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:51.480 we have the Bargrease Render, which is a group of 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:53.560 us are five of us here right now that are 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:57.840 gonna talk about the previous week's podcast, dissect it, talk 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:01.240 about high points, low points, and so that's what we're doing. 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:03.480 So that's what this is. I want to start off 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:06.120 with you. Did you know that before Brent got here 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:07.840 or when he When he got here, we kind of 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:11.200 started talking a little bit and he said, you know, Clay, 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:14.360 I kind of d about the podcast and I said, 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:17.360 who whoa, whoa, whoa. I said, save that energy for 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.680 the Render. I'm a whirlwind of emotion right now, really 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:24.519 to the podcast. Good. So what I want to say 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.959 is I want you to be absolutely free to say 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:31.239 whatever you think because nobody's gonna judge me. No, this 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:34.680 is ah, this is a safe place. Okay, good nobody else. 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:40.560 But no, it's not like the other podcast where we 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:47.359 were really limited, right, listen, this is what happens inside 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:51.040 of social structures. Okay, so this is a social structure. 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:55.120 You guys obviously are my friends. Want of you is 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:57.920 my wife? Want of you is my father? Prince not 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:02.120 related to me? Isn't needed? But you you kind of 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:05.520 build a bias of positivity towards something, or you want 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:08.760 to spend something so it doesn't hurt somebody's feelings, do you? 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:14.800 You guys can't fully be trusted, and people are going 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:19.040 to be too nice that they're not if they were inclined, 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:22.080 if they were so inclined to be like man Clay, 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:23.640 I really think you missed it on this one. Like 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:25.320 I would want you to say that and just tell 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.560 me why. I mean, that does mean no good to 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:30.160 have friends that don't tell me the truth. Now all 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:32.480 the other people that are listening that are my friends, 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:36.120 I don't want to hear it. But the wounds of 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:38.520 a friend can be trusted, right, I was a joke. 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:40.560 I want to hear what people think, and I could 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:43.280 say things right now. I think that would guide what 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:45.920 you're gonna say in ten minutes from now? What do 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:49.280 you mean like leading us? I just pe it happens 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:53.760 all the time. People just they they are led into 0:03:54.280 --> 0:04:01.520 a tone of good. Not today, Dad can be can 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:10.560 be led like a little sheep. Is sporting his regular gote, 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:13.760 but his mustache is missing. Yeah, should he be wearing 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:17.640 one of the mustaches? Yeah, yeah, we got of. There's 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.719 even some gray ones in there. So today on the 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:22.719 render we have Brent Reeves. Maybe you look a sharp 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:24.719 Brent you got I would say you have on a 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:32.360 moderately worn pair of overall stone washedid washed overall. Um. 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:36.040 I noticed that you're running your crocs and air conditioned mode, 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:39.279 no socks correct, and you have a beautiful bear grease 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:41.760 hat on. You actually look really good. I mean it 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:45.440 looks good. After after that introduction, I can hardly wait 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:48.120 to hear what I've got to say. Hey, let me 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:51.080 say I think that Brent might have the shine of 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:54.679 a winner. He is that what it is? Well, since 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:58.000 you brought that up, Yeah, and tell us would you win? Well, 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.400 I'll tell you what It took. Took a whale to 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:04.839 a coon hunt over in East Arkansas at Crockett's Bluff, 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.599 and we went out on his second U K C hunt, 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:10.720 And my gosh, we wanted want a cast. He did good, 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:16.400 did good, and I got I got pictures from Alexis 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:18.760 after the win. So what Brent did is he went 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:22.120 to a competition coon hunt, which described the mood, the scene, 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:24.520 the vibe. Man, it's a it was a community center 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:26.960 over and Crocott's Bluff. It's a real old community and 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:31.040 there's there's no township or anything there. It's just a community, 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:33.080 a community of people. There's nothing as far as the 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:36.200 city or anything like that. But everybody got there. And 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:38.159 you registers in uk C event and you have to 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.839 be there by a certain time. You know, pay you intry, 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:43.200 you gotta be a member. You good dogs gotta be registered. 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:47.720 And I drew out with another guy, uh hunting a 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:50.320 walker dog, and one guy hunting a blue tick and 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.560 one guy hunting the black and tan and great guys, 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:57.760 great fellowship. Sportsmanship was good. I didn't find my coon. 0:05:57.920 --> 0:05:59.920 One of the guys I was competing against found it. 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:02.479 He said, said, there's a coon right there. You know. 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:04.880 He he didn't have to say anything. He could have 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.160 just kept his mouth shut and that tree would have been, 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:09.320 according to the rules, would have been a circle tree. 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:13.960 But yeah, honesty and integrity prevailed and it was good. 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:18.159 That's good. It was really good. So Wayland won his 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.240 second cast win and and did he win the whole hunter? 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:23.880 Just the cast, No, just that cast. There was there 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.919 was not an overall winter. We had an early round 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.360 which started around nine o'clock and then in the the late 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:33.160 round started at midnight. So it was, you know, a 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:38.000 lately long night. But but we had had a great time. Good. 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:40.640 I went hunting one time this week and uh it 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:44.679 took a fern in my new pup hoot and uh 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.120 they trede one time. Didn't see the coon. I'm not 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:50.000 fully convinced it was there. But we're gonna we're gonna 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:53.239 try to do a little springtime hunting this year. Oh good. Yeah, 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:56.200 it's fixing to get really good. The little ones to 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:59.680 start when they come down everywhere. Brent saw a deer. 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.880 He's sent me a video Dad of the deer completely 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:07.159 submerged under the water except for its neck and head. Yeah. 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:11.880 I saw that social media too, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:15.680 you think that you think she was do you think 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.200 she got scared here in whale and tree that close 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:20.840 to her and just bedded down? It was Michael's dog 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.600 actually is right there beside her and no on that. 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.720 That deer was there ten minutes before the dog came 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.280 in there. We just happened to be standing there, big. 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.480 There's a bunch of deer waters up belove there where 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:35.040 we hunt where Michael caught that coon and we watched him. 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:38.320 That's eight feet underwater right now, well yeah inside that 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:41.960 live but there were where we were at. So I've 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:52.600 watched our friend Michael Roseman catch two coons by hand. Yeah, carry, Yeah, 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.000 we saw the deer. We actually Michael shouted light up 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.600 in there and he said, what's that And I said 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:59.600 that a coon. He said, no, it's a deer. Look 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:01.680 at it and you could see. I mean it was 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:05.000 like a periscope death just read it from the neck up, 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:06.880 sticking up out of the water and you'd bear to 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:10.160 see her hand in But she was bedded right there. 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:14.840 There was no mosquitoes, buffalo nets weren't weren't bad. It 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.680 was cool. So, I mean, I don't know. I haven't 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:21.440 decided if I feel like she was hiding because she 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:23.840 saw you guys and just hunkered down the water, or 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.240 if she you think she was actually bedded down. But man, 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.800 I have you've come, you've walked up on deer before 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:31.520 the oaks treat close to h they just they don't 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:33.920 do nothing, They just lay there. So I just I 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.680 have it's hard for me to believe that she wouldn't 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:38.480 have walked off, that she would have just hunkered down 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:41.800 in that water if she hadn't already been there. Weird 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:43.959 though it was pretty cool. Well, I was just getting 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:48.480 introductions Misty Dookam, Hey, good, Yeah, you haven't done anything 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:53.559 like wildly wild in the outdoors, not have you? Well, 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:57.440 I mean I got my garden going. Yeah, mrs Oh. 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.960 Misty was on the Meat Eat Live show in Billings, 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.520 Montana last week. It was a big deal. A lot 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:06.040 of fun. Yeah, a lot of fun. I saw that 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:09.280 on Instagram. That was intriguing. I'd like to have seen more. 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:15.400 Unfortunately that show won't be broadcast on the Lead Eater 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:19.480 podcast feed A live show. That's why you gotta go man. Hey, 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.920 they were There were at least eleven d people there, 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:28.640 as I understood it, maybe more, and everybody that came 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:33.319 got one of Steve Ronella's books Raising Kids in the 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:38.320 Inside World Indoor World. Yeah, and so the podcast was 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:44.640 structured around raising kids and the outdoors to be engaged 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:46.640 inside of the outdoor. So it's pretty cool and that's 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:49.840 why probably why they had Misty on there. Uh and me. 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:54.199 We have kids and uh so that was fun full 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:59.800 incredible credentials. Yeah, we have kids. We have produced you 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:06.040 want to find it wasn't a podcast. Yeah, yeah, that's right. 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:08.480 It was a live show. It's a lot of fun. 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:11.959 Um Chester Floyd played music at the beginning and end. 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:21.360 Seth fleshed I'm just standing there for you. If you 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:25.439 got board listen to you could just watch. Oh this 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:29.839 is a So after the after the event, there was 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.800 people that were in this auditorium that worked there and 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:35.920 they come in after the show and clean the seats 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:39.480 and stuff. And uh, there was an older lady that 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:43.080 came up and she said, uh, she said, not to me, 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:46.280 but to one of our guys. She said, what was 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:50.080 that woman doing with those coon hides? I thought she said, 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.840 what was that woman doing with all that meat? Well, yeah, yeah, 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.800 that's what she said. But she thought Seth was a 0:10:55.920 --> 0:11:01.120 lady because Seth had big not really, but he had 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:05.200 this big apron on. It looked like a dress you 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:08.680 just walked in and he was wearing a dress. Yeah. 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.080 So anyway, We thought that was We thought that was 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:15.880 that was funny. Josh, you've been fly fishing a little bit. 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:19.680 It's been really really wet here. It has been raining 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:24.240 like crazy inches every day, and so I tried to 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:27.840 do a little creek fishing yesterday but came up empty handed. 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:30.960 But we went a couple of weeks ago to the 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:36.600 White River. Christie caught up brown tea, and you caught 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:40.079 me some rainbow t cat, Missy some rainbow trout home, 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:43.520 so I claimed, Missy grilled him. Dad, you've been doing 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:48.240 anything outdoors fun? You know? We took a little four 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:52.679 wheeler trip up in northwest Arkansas. I put the old 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:57.080 can am on the hill they call Highway to Heaven. Yeah, 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:00.760 it did pretty good? Was it straight up? Pretty much? 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:06.840 We used to This was in Pope County. Uh actually 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:08.880 it was in Pope County, but it was a place 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:12.200 we used to be. We used well poke what we 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:16.400 used to jeep there. And as we were traversing this area, 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:18.880 someone said, that's the hill We used to have trouble 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:23.520 climbing in jeeps in these new side Besides, I mean 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:27.240 they just on a scale of one to tend steepest 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:31.559 you've ever done how does it rank? Oh? Um, it 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:38.200 doesn't at scary in that when you got to the 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:42.160 top there were really big rocks. You know, I thought 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:46.360 I'd broke an axle on it, but it didn't. And uh, 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:48.840 that's a hard that's a hard question because there's so 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:52.080 many different type hills. You know, some hills you've got 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:55.360 places where maybe you might flip over. You've got some 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:57.679 hills that you hit at a high speed. You got 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:00.560 some hills you crawled. This was kind of a all hill, 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:04.000 but it was not a big deal. But out of 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:07.400 a group of about ten vehicles, there were only two 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:10.120 of us that tried it. Oh really yeah, so and 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:14.240 we both made it. It was fun. Never come over backwards, 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:18.040 have you? No? Never? That's amazing. Well, on a full 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:21.960 wheeler one time, just playing around, I had one come over, 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:26.480 but it wasn't even you know, it was just it 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.760 was just a freak deal and you got off. Yeah. 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:32.679 Oh yeah. It was one of the first clutch machines 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:36.000 I'd ever driven, and I was just driving up, stopping 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:40.240 and then rolling back and somehow I didn't do the 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:45.760 clutch right flipped over. I remember, I remember when I 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:48.280 first started hunting with y'all. I didn't grow up on 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:51.719 four wheelers or anything. And Gary let me take his 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.520 four wheeler out, and I remember I got I tried 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:58.040 to cross the log lengthways and got high centered on 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:01.760 the axles and the look of the skull when he 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:05.800 came around the court, How could you have even let 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:09.800 this happen? And he was like, get off? Did you 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:13.200 know that there's some I tried back in the former 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:16.840 Bear Hunting Magazine podcast days when we could just we 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:19.360 just talked about whatever we wanted. I was gonna have 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:24.280 dad and John Mesco, whose dad's best buddy down amna 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:31.120 um tell some stories of them. Mesco more than once, 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:33.840 like they had the haul him out of the woods 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.880 and an ambulance or or or I mean he broke 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.760 his leg one time while y'all are out in his 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:43.240 shoulder one time, and his shoulder one time crawling up 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:47.000 stuff and Mesco flipped their way. And then I don't 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:49.600 know if you remember, but we were riding with some 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:54.120 guys one time, and uh, you know, it was pretty 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:57.440 it was pretty crazy ride and we just knew somebody 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.560 was gonna get hurt, and sure enough, this guy did. 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:03.720 And when the ambulance came. I went to get the ambulance, 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:07.040 and the two ladies were driving the ambulance and they said, 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:10.800 you can't drive an ambulance back there, and I go 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:16.000 scoot over and they let me drive this brand new 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:22.240 you know. But I got in this brand new ambulance 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:25.000 and I drove it. If you know Wolfpin Gap. I 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:29.120 drove that sucker way back in the Wolfpin Gap and 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:32.680 when I stopped, it was just boiling over with smoke. 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:39.200 But the guy lived, I mean, he was really What 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.840 happened on that wreck, Well, he just hit a jump 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.920 wrong and and the thing flipped on him. Instead of 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:49.600 him doing anything to correct it, he just hung onto 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.360 the handlebars and it just drove his head straight into 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:59.960 me and on a side on the four winner. Yeah, wasn't. 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:04.320 It's a long time ago, and Mesco knew what to do, 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:07.680 and he you know, and I was definitely going to 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:12.720 go get the ambulances. You drove that ambulance all the 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.760 way back in the Yeah. Well, the other time that 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:19.240 they are one of the times they were riding and 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:23.040 it was just Dad and John and John Flips gets 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:24.960 in the rack. You can go into details or whatever, 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:28.400 but they had to make a splint and splint John's 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:32.880 leg up and interesting him being a doctor, We're going 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:35.760 down this steel. It looked like a cow's face. I 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:37.560 mean it was just straight down. But we didn't have 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.800 any choice. We got back in there, the woods got 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:46.360 lost and John. I had John right on the back 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:48.280 of my I said, John, we both had a brand 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:52.960 new side. Besides, we don't have function foilers fowilers, And 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:54.880 I said, you right on the back of my rack 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:57.760 because this is like driving off of bluff. So he 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:02.280 got on my rack road down on. So I started 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:05.200 running back up the hill to get on his rack. 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:09.440 But he thought I can do this. Well, he got 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.960 halfway down and it didn't behave the way it was 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.520 supposed to or the way he thought it was gonna behave, 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:19.280 and it just it just like pitched him out into 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:24.359 the air fifteen feet up and when he landed, it 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:27.760 just snapped his leg. And then that that side beside 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.600 a four wheeler just kept chasing him down the hill 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:33.560 and it went five times. And when it got to 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:37.080 the bottom, he's sitting next to a tree in the 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:40.960 side besides, like right here, and it never touched him 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.800 except the rubber. But to get him out of the woods. 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:47.119 He goes, okay, cut six little sticks about the size 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.920 of my thumb, six inches long, get your tarp out 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:51.800 of the back, give me your duct tape. I had 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:55.359 everything and he just made a cast for it. Was 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:58.040 it his lower leg like a sin. Yeah, and so 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:02.880 he rode my side. My wad are out side saddle 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:07.000 with all that stuff on. It took us about two hours, 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:09.240 three hours to get him to the hospital. When you 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:12.440 hear that Endian the Jones music start playing, you need 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:21.280 to stop whatever you do. Turn everything office. You can 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:27.880 cut that out anyway. That's that's wild man. Um four 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:31.040 Weather Stories. I wasn't planning to go there, but we did. Um. 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:37.560 But that so this podcast, okay man, it's interesting because 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:40.919 Josh and Britain have emotions connected to the podcast that 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:46.040 I wasn't expecting Josh coming in and saying, yeah, I'm 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:49.600 a I'm a I'm a whirlwind of emotion. You've got 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:55.320 conflicting emotions. Yeah, yeah, Because I think the statement that 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:59.760 that caught me the most was Andy Brown when he 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:03.520 was talking about Louis Dale and he said he didn't 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:06.680 do everything right, but he did a lot of stuff right, 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:12.280 and that there's a juxtaposition there. That's like I think 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:14.000 I feel the same way that you do, Clay. It's 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:17.520 like there's so many good qualities and it's like does 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:20.520 one cancel out the other? You know what I mean? 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:22.879 And so it leaves you in this quandary of like 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:25.960 and and not that you have to in your life 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:30.280 support or not support someone. But you know, I I've 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:33.440 known lots of people in my life obviously, as everybody has. 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:36.920 But uh, you know I I remember when we first 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:39.359 moved to Texas when I was a kid, there was 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:42.040 a there was a guy. We we lived in this 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:45.040 where we were poor. We lived in this little mobile 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:50.359 home outside of this uh Junkyard, and I thought it 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:52.080 was the greatest thing in the world because I would 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:55.879 go wander around Junkyard. It was like heaven for me. 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:58.159 But the guy that owned owned it, his name was 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:02.199 von Arney. And I remember von Arnie. You'd go in 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:05.880 his house and I remember, and I was like six, 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:11.000 maybe six at this time. Well his his daughter with 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:14.119 babysitting me while my mom was working and go in 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:15.879 the house. And they had to trust your They had 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:18.120 they had lots of mechanics and stuff that would come 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:21.720 in and like every night they would just have ten 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:23.879 fifteen people at the dinner table. His wife would just 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:26.720 make enough food for a big group. But I remember 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:29.640 von Arnie, and I remember like he was always real 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:33.840 kind to me, but then I would see him deal 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:37.360 with people, and I knew everybody kind of knew, like 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:42.159 you love von but you can't quite trust Vaughan, you know, 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:46.320 and everybody called him von Arni, von Arni, Hey, von Arni. Yeah, 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:49.560 and uh, but I remember that same kind of feeling 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:52.200 about this guy, like I really like him, but there's 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:54.800 something about him that's like you just can't get settled 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:57.639 about it. And I, you know, listening to the podcast, 0:20:57.680 --> 0:20:59.560 it kind of made me think of those kind of 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:07.320 feelings about about Louis Dellen. Von Arney was a crook. 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:10.320 He was a con man. I think the thing about 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:14.000 these two guys, you don't condone what they did. I mean, 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:17.560 it's just wrong, period. There's just no two ways to 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:23.240 skin that cat. But they did so many good things 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:26.440 that the good people didn't even do. I mean, they 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:31.440 helped people that no one even knew about until the funeral. 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:39.440 They did things that were way beyond the normal human activities. 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:43.719 I mean, they were just so you can't spend it 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:47.760 where what they did was right. It's just not. But 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:51.280 but why do we like them? And the reason we 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:55.800 like them is because they love people. They helped people, 0:21:56.119 --> 0:22:00.440 they treated people right. I would I would come completely 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:02.919 agree with you because I think that that in a sense, 0:22:03.000 --> 0:22:07.320 some of the like the specifically the poaching, I think 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:09.520 a lot of that was probably cultural. You know, from 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:11.880 the way they grew up. You know, they took meat, 0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:14.399 and I'm sure you know there was a lot of 0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:17.160 distrust of the government, so you know, game and fish. 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:19.879 Coming in and saying you can harvest x number of 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:22.439 deer and x number of turkeys is like, this is 0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:25.040 my my country. You know, you don't you can't tell 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:28.520 me what to do in my country. And so, you know, 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:30.840 I totally agree. You know, it made me think about 0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:34.080 the scripture where it talks about when you give, you know, 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:37.359 don't don't need to be recognized for giving. And you know, 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:39.680 thinking about all the people that they helped that nobody 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:43.600 knew about but them until the funeral, and uh, you know, 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:46.800 I think those are there's some very commendable traits. It 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:48.840 didn't do everything right, but they did a lot of 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:52.280 things right. What do you think, Brent. It was a 0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:55.560 struggle for me. You know, I've been a in law 0:22:55.680 --> 0:23:00.119 enforcement for thirty one years and I have all has 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:02.680 had the mindset that if I cla if I arrested 0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:05.280 you for something and you played not guilty and we 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:08.320 went to trial and you were found guilty, I always thought, well, 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:11.520 let's go back and charging perjury because he's obviously lying 0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:16.639 because he did it. Twelve people said he did. I 0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:20.200 found it very intriguing. I did not find him endearing 0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:25.120 at all, but no, not even a little bit. Um. 0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:27.000 But I also don't know him. I don't have the 0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:30.119 background that that Gary has, that Clay has, that you 0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:36.960 have from from being around these folks. But it was, um. 0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:40.960 It's hard for me, having been in situations where people 0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:44.080 were good, people make poor decisions in the heat of 0:23:44.160 --> 0:23:49.119 the moment. It's hard for me to find an endearing 0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:52.440 quality in someone who leaves the house with the purpose 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:58.720 of doing something that ain't right. So the confrontation and 0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:02.080 and you know, I've said it on here before. If 0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:06.200 you want two different stories about an incident, get two 0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:09.879 people who said they were eyewitnesses to it, because people 0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:16.320 see things different. But to have uh, the internet, where 0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:20.920 the where it was a game warden or park ranger 0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:24.960