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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. We're still humans. We're

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Speaker 4: Going to say the way.

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Speaker 5: My name is Noah.

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Speaker 2: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 2: super producer Alexis code named dot Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,

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Speaker 2: the stuff they don't want you to know. Big, big

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Speaker 2: thank you to our fellow conspiracy realist who reached out

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Speaker 2: all across the Internet through so many different platforms with

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Speaker 2: some news of the strange variety that we're excited to

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Speaker 2: explore with you this year. We're going to learn about

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Speaker 2: alien corpses displayed to the lawmakers of Mexico. True story.

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Speaker 2: We're going to catch you up on an upcoming memoir

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Speaker 2: from a former secret Service agent around during the assassination

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Speaker 2: of JFK. We're going to talk about nasal d congestion,

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Speaker 2: which is a promised more interesting than it sounds, but

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Speaker 2: we thought for this evening, we would open up with

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Speaker 2: the JFK story. Assassination of JFK and anything related to

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Speaker 2: it remains one of the most prevalent subjects of conspiracy

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Speaker 2: theories in the world today, so it's no surprise that

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Speaker 2: the latest news is of great, great interest.

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Speaker 6: Did y'all read or watch The eleven twenty two sixty

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Speaker 6: three by Stephen King?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, both both?

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 6: I did the audiobook of the book and then I

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Speaker 5: The series was fantastic.

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Speaker 6: I know, James Franco is kind of like canceled, but

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Speaker 6: I thought he's good when he's good man. When he's

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Speaker 6: cast as sort of like an everyman, he fits the bill.

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Speaker 6: He does a fine job, and I thought the things

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Speaker 6: that I thought were heartwarming from the book they translated

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Speaker 6: beautifully into the series. One thing I love about Stephen King,

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Speaker 6: not to get too sidetracked, is that he just sets

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Speaker 6: in the closet, and that's that's just what it is.

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Speaker 5: And I'm not going to tell you how.

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Speaker 6: It got there or why it's there, but here's how

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Speaker 6: it interfaces with the story, and I love it, and

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Speaker 6: he's so entertaining that you never really questioned that. But

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Speaker 6: I have a hard time remembering dates, So whenever I'm

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Speaker 6: trying to describe this movie or series slash book to somebody,

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Speaker 6: I have to google it. Eleven twenty two, sixty three

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Speaker 6: is the day that John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas.

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Speaker 6: And you're right, Ben, it really has been sort of

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Speaker 6: like this high water mark, you know, American conspiracy about

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Speaker 6: the Grassy Knoll. I get that a lot, and like

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Speaker 6: the Second Shooter, the magic bullet theory, that's what we're

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Speaker 6: captured it. But today we're talking about an update that's

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Speaker 6: taken place sixty years later from a former Secret Service agent,

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Speaker 6: You're right, Ben, by the name of Paul Landis, who

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Speaker 6: I'm just gonna go ahead and lead with it.

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Speaker 5: Somewhat suspiciously, has just come out with the book.

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Speaker 6: So whenever someone's doing revelations about something that happened a

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Speaker 6: I'm always a little bit kind of hesitant to, oh,

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Speaker 6: But this guy I heard an interview with him a

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Speaker 6: And he also realized that she wanted to stay with

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Speaker 6: And he said he was, he had nightmares about it.

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Speaker 6: so fascinating. And now sixty years later he's saying he

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Speaker 6: they got it totally wrong, this magic bullet theory. There

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Speaker 5: And I just think that's so yeah, please.

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Speaker 3: that represents the first time the president in the Zapruder

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Speaker 3: Okay, And then there's a second bullet that killed John F.

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Speaker 6: You know, you might get injured or get some shrapnel

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Speaker 6: And now all of a sudden there's this other bullet,

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Speaker 6: sort of explains the magic bullet theory, that there was

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Speaker 6: He must be in his eighties now. He's in the Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 6: He's in the twilight of his life. He's decided he

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Speaker 6: He said it was again unexploded.

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Speaker 6: So like you have a shell casing, right, and then

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Speaker 6: Ago would explode a bullet right ben a direct hit

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Speaker 2: So for this kind of the one that Land has

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Speaker 2: ordered this memoir a while back. It comes out in October,

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Speaker 2: so well, hopefully we'll get a deep dive into it.

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Speaker 2: But in addition to the idea, you're right to be

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Speaker 2: a book in this case, I don't think so. Just

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Speaker 2: what gets me is the problem of eyewitness recollection, even

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Speaker 2: just two weeks after something happens versus you know, many decades.

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Speaker 2: Because there's a moment where he talks about moving the

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Speaker 6: So I guess my question to you, then, Ben, is

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Speaker 5: And that's a big deal.

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Speaker 3: It would just potentially contradict the Warren Commission, and we're

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Speaker 3: So this is what James Robinaald is saying for Vanity Fair.

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Speaker 3: The sad fact is that Landis, though required to provide

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Speaker 6: And the statement that he did give was very procedural

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Speaker 2: So the book is called The Final Witness, A Kennedy's

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Speaker 5: Usually, these people that we.

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Speaker 5: All of this is very interesting.

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Speaker 6: I guess it's may well once you've read the book

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Speaker 3: Welcome back everyone. It is September, mid of the septembers

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Speaker 5: Multiple septembers.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I don't know if anyone else is experiencing you know,

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Speaker 3: But the point is, when somebody in my family is

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Speaker 5: Believe us.

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Speaker 2: I believe pseudophedrine is another one.

439
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yes, we are going to get to all that stuff. Boys.

440
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 3: So let's tell the story.

441
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:33,360
Speaker 2: Here.

442
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 3: It goes right now as we record this, the day

443
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 3: before the FDA has come out and they've made an

444
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 3: announcement that their advisors have declared again side advisors, the

445
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 3: little board they put together when they want to make

446
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:57,159
Speaker 3: a big decision, they have decided that the leading active

447
00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 3: ingredient in leading nasal d congestants that are used by

448
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 3: millions of Americans every day are basically placebos.

449
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 2: Oh, nice snake oil.

450
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 3: Huh, snake oil, it's pretty powerful, or sugar pills. But

451
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 3: but here's the crazy thing, the one that you mentioned,

452
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 3: ben pennilefern. That is the particular drug, the thing, the

453
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 3: chemical that is in question here, and it is something

454
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 3: that has been in question since it became an active

455
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 3: ingredient in over the counter nasal decongestics. Literally the same

456
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 3: year that it got pushed as a major ingredient and

457
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 3: active ingredient in these things, it was questioned by scientists

458
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 3: across the globe, and since that day in two thousand

459
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 3: and six, by the way, the FDA has just said, no,

460
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 3: this is fine. And drug manufacturers, the major ones, all

461
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 3: the ones you're thinking about right now head when you

462
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 3: think of a drug manufacturer, they've been putting out drugs,

463
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,239
Speaker 3: over the counter medicines that use this thing as the

464
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 3: primary nasal decongestin ingredient. This is one of the craziest things.

465
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 5: I'm annoyed. I'm personally annoyed.

466
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 3: Well, I think maybe we all are. I think. Let

467
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 3: me read a bit from this AP article. It's titled

468
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:28,719
Speaker 3: popular nasal decongestin doesn't actually relieve congestion, FDA advisors say.

469
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 3: It's written by Matthew Perone for AP News, and it

470
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 3: is saying, well, let's just read it this way. Advisors

471
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 3: of the FDA voted unanimously on Tuesday, that's literally yesterday

472
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 3: as we record this against the effectiveness of the key

473
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 3: drug found in popular versions of pseudofed dequil and other

474
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 3: medications stocked on store shelves. And here's a quote. Modern studies,

475
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 3: when well conducted, are not showing any improvement in congestion

476
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 3: with phenyl ephrine, right, And that's from an allergy specialist

477
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 3: from Saint Louis University School of Medicine. Guys, because of

478
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 3: these findings from the FDA, it is highly likely that

479
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 3: Jaye and j Johnson and Johnson Bear and pretty much

480
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 3: everybody else who make drugs are going to have to

481
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 3: pull these things that we've all been using for almost

482
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 3: two decades off the shelves.

483
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 6: It was occurring to me that an alternative could be.

484
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 6: They would just like, like what the cigarette companies do.

485
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 6: It's like, this stuff is very bad for you and

486
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 6: very addictive. Maybe they would just put this doesn't work

487
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 6: very well, like as a big sticker on the FA.

488
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 2: The main ingredient is officially vibes. It appears. I mean,

489
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 2: you know what's next. They're going to get into Nettie pots.

490
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 3: Hey, that's the thing, because that's one of the alternatives

491
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 3: that's recommended if you got a stuff he knows, Nettie pot.

492
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 3: But we also know there's a very low chance that

493
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 3: you can get some crazy infections in your nasal cavity

494
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 3: if you use one of those very little, tiny little chants.

495
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 3: But it's possible.

496
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 6: Well, this might be another story we should cover at

497
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 6: some point. But I don't mean to be too confessional.

498
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 6: But I recently started taking a new, a relatively new

499
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 6: drug called manjarro that's like for weight loss, and my

500
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 6: doctor prescribed it to me, but my insurance wouldn't cover it.

501
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 6: And if the insurance isn't cover it, it's like thirteen

502
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 6: hundred dollars a month for these injections. So I was

503
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 6: like that, so I had a friend that told me, well,

504
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 6: there's there are these like diet dietitians and weight loss

505
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 6: clinics that can get it for you at half the cost,

506
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 6: but it's compounded, and I didn't realize that that was

507
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 6: a different thing. I did notice that the manjarro you

508
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 6: get prescribed comes in a cool, fancy little thing like

509
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 6: a pen, you know, and the ones that I got

510
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 6: came in an envelope full of syringes and like a

511
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 6: little bottle. And I only just recently started googling it

512
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 6: compounded Munjarro versus you know, prescription Manjarro, and all this

513
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 6: stuff came up saying like, Munjarro is intellectual property that

514
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 6: is owned by Novo Nordisk, and they have not let

515
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 6: that out to like anybody else. So whatever these dieticians

516
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 6: are saying they have, it's not exactly the same thing,

517
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 6: but it probably is close.

518
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 5: It's called a try trezeptide, is what it's called.

519
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I don't mean to derail, but really quickly

520
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 6: I was all of a sudden really freaked out. I

521
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 6: was like, you know, it's not twelve hundred dollars, but

522
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 6: it's not cheap, and I felt like it was really

523
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 6: working for me. I was like, my appetite has decreased

524
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 6: and I've lost about thirteen pounds in the last couple

525
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 6: of months. But I've also been like exercising and seeing

526
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 6: a trainer a bunch. So I was like, am I

527
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 6: full of Am I entirely the victim of placebo? That

528
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 6: really occurred to me because I'd read all this stuff

529
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 6: about how this drug is like a miracle drug, and

530
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:40,959
Speaker 6: I all of a sudden was like, am I just

531
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 6: totally experiencing the placebo effect?

532
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 2: Oh?

533
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 3: Man, Noel, that's crazy that you're going through that, because

534
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 3: it is. I mean, it's shown now that this is

535
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 3: what everyone's been doing every time you took day quill

536
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 3: or been niquill, even with Honey. Now we've read ads

537
00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 3: for that product. We have been giving ourselves that placebo effects.

538
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 3: But it's not entirely true because there are other active

539
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 3: ingredients in every one of those medicines, right, just not

540
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 3: a not another primary nasal decongestin, which is one of

541
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 3: the big issues here. That's really nol. I can't believe

542
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 3: that I haven't been through anything like that. So you're

543
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 3: gonna have to report back to this way you find

544
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 3: really quickly.

545
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 6: What I did find was that what a lot of

546
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 6: these compounding pharmacies do.

547
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 5: Is it's like B twelve.

548
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 6: It's like a ton of B twelve, or like something

549
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 6: that makes you feel a thing, but isn't the thing.

550
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 3: Oh wow, Well, in the case of this medicine, you're

551
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 3: not feeling the fenyl eferne at all. If the only

552
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 3: way to feel the effects of fenyl eferne, well, actually

553
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 3: there are a couple of different ways, but the primary one,

554
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 3: if you want to actually use it as a nasal decongestant,

555
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 3: is to snort it, to shoot it into your nose instantly, right, yes, exactly,

556
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 3: I think that's right. Then it is highly effective. It's

557
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 3: it does exactly what it says as on all of

558
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 3: those bottles.

559
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 6: There's times of little snooter like you know, decongested things

560
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 6: like Vicks, little things that you shoot up your nosey.

561
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 6: Why don't they release it in that form to make

562
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 6: it more effective?

563
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 3: It is, It is released in that form. It's available

564
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 3: in that form. It's just Americans especially, but many human

565
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 3: beings across the world like to take their drugs orally

566
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 3: it's just an easier task, and especially since like little

567
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 3: kids often will take a little sippy cup basically of

568
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: medicine rather and they like that better than getting stuff

569
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 3: shut up their shoes. Sure, that's one of the primary

570
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 3: reasons why it became a take your pill medicine rather

571
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 3: than shoot it up your nose medicine marketing. Oh yeah.

572
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 3: So the other thing is the reason why this is

573
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 3: very similar to your story, nol is because phenylephrine as

574
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 3: an active ingredient in those take a pill or drink

575
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 3: it down drugs is because of a law that got

576
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 3: passed in two thousand and six associated with methamphetamine production.

577
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 3: With the other drug that we mentioned at the top

578
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 3: of this, pseudo afedrin. Pseudo a fedrin was the active

579
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 3: ingredient in things like dequill and niquil and pseudo actually sudou. Yeah,

580
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 3: it's because exactly, and those drugs are still available. You

581
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 3: just have to go to the pharmacist and ask them

582
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 3: for them. Then you have to in this country at least,

583
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 3: and also in the UK, I believe, you have to

584
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 3: sign a log book basically show your ID and you.

585
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: Can only get by a certain amount. Right.

586
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 6: That came up in the plot of Breaking Bad. They

587
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 6: call them smurfs, people that go and buy the pseudo

588
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 6: and like have like a whole team that like divvies

589
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 6: it up so they can get enough to make a

590
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 6: batch of crystal meth. Because one person can't get enough

591
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 6: in one purchase to do that, so they have to

592
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 6: like have these little smurfs they call them exactly.

593
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 3: And I would highly recommend everyone read the New Scientist

594
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 3: article from May twenty sixteen, breaking bad sniffles colon crystal

595
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 3: meth made cold medicine rubbish. That is a twenty sixteen

596
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 3: article talking about how the active ingredient in most nasal

597
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 3: decongestins doesn't work bulls.

598
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's fascinating. I remember, I, you know, I'm

599
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: a bit of a square in that sphere of vice.

600
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: I remember I had to I picked up no Dose

601
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: or something like that, which is basically mainly caffeine, right,

602
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: But then there was some other thing. When I was

603
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: on the road a lot more often domestically, there would

604
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: be those that little aisle or that little display by

605
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: the cashier stand of all the pressed pills that were

606
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 2: like truck er crack and then white crosses, the jackets

607
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 2: stream games. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And so I remember one

608
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: time I thought the coffee's just not cutting it. You know,

609
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: I have to be in a different part of the

610
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 2: continent in a few hours. I can't sleep. And so

611
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 2: for the first time ever, I was gonna buy some

612
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: of this and the cashier at the time, I think

613
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: it was like a flying j or a pilot or

614
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: a quick trip or something. The cashier said, yeah, buddy,

615
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: hurry up, because uh, they're gonna be a lot harder

616
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: to find in a while. And then he asked me

617
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: if I was sure. I didn't want to buy more

618
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: while I could, and so I just got one pack.

619
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: I decided not to try, and I sat in my

620
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: car and did, like, uh, who am I inventory? I

621
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: was like, I look like I do.

622
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 5: He was trying to give you some good intel man.

623
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:34,239
Speaker 1: You know.

624
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably not the first time he had a conversation.

625
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 5: That he was trying to move their their units.

626
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 4: You know.

627
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 6: I was in a punk band when I was younger,

628
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 6: and there we had a song called Mini Things and

629
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 6: Many Things were a street name for these kind of

630
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 6: trucker pills, and the lyric was effhagrine. Effhagrine shrinks your

631
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 6: penis makes it hard to pee, because apparently efhagrine does

632
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 6: like cause like shrinkings or whatever. But that was the

633
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 6: first time I heard of efhagrine. And we're talking about now,

634
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 6: Matt is pseudoefi dream. So does that mean it's like

635
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 6: a like a different formulation of efidream, Like what is pseudoefidrin?

636
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 3: Oh, God, pseudoephidrin U. We can get into that. I

637
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 3: would recommend the article from Science titled the Uselessness of

638
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,959
Speaker 3: Phenylephrine that's from May thirtieth, twenty twenty two. In that

639
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 3: article you can learn all about how these drugs actually

640
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 3: interact with the body, with some things that I can't

641
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 3: really understand. I'll read this a little excerpt. Why is

642
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 3: oral phenylefrine so useless? It is extensively metabolized starting in

643
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 3: the gut wall. You can find a bioavailability figure of

644
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 3: thirty eight percent in the literature, but that appears to

645
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 3: be the most optimistic number possible, and it goes I mean,

646
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 3: it's kind of tough to get through in that way,

647
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 3: but it does go into the one you're talking about

648
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 3: nol and like why how that drug actually breaks down.

649
00:33:58,440 --> 00:33:59,479
Speaker 5: Breaks through that wall?

650
00:33:59,600 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: Right?

651
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 6: It is metabolized correctly, like certain drugs, to your point,

652
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 6: they break down beyond the point of efficacy by the

653
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 6: time they actually reach the part of your body that

654
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Speaker 6: needs to be tweaked or whatever.

655
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Speaker 5: You know.

656
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, exactly, guys. We we're gonna end this in

657
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Speaker 3: just one moment. Here I have to do. You have

658
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 3: to say one last thing. There is another article everybody

659
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 3: needs to read right now. It is from the Journal

660
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 3: of Allergy and Clinical Immunology. It's titled oral fenyle Effering

661
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 3: and Ineffective replacement for pseudoephedrin, and that is from May first,

662
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 3: two thousand and six, and it goes exactly the look

663
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Speaker 3: Jesus Christ. Well, it goes into the nineteen seventy six

664
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Speaker 3: FDA review panel that concluded oral, I'm gonna read these out.

665
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 3: This is gonna be tough. But here he goes oral

666
00:34:53,920 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 3: fenyl pro penulummin oral propanolamine. That's what it is. Pseudoinether

667
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 3: and fenylephyrine are safe and effective for non prescription relief

668
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 3: of nasal congestion caused by the common cold. Okay, that

669
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: happened in nineteen seventy six. Then in two thousand, that

670
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 3: crazy one that I read a fenyl propylanomane.

671
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 2: It was every time, man.

672
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 6: Like a fine wine like a fine wine.

673
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 3: It was voluntarily removed from all products because of hemorrhagic strokes.

674
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 3: They were so sweet with.

675
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 5: Sorry drug, I'm sorry you buried the lead there.

676
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 6: You're saying the active ingredient they are now touting and

677
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 6: pushing is the thing that gives you morrhagic strokes. No,

678
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 6: that is one three.

679
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 3: That's one of the three that was approved back in

680
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy six. Then pseudoephedrin, the one that's used to

681
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 3: cook meth, went out of style in two thousand and

682
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 3: six because of an amendment to the Patriot Act. By

683
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 3: the way, that's that's why it came out. That's when

684
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 3: it got put behind the counter. And it is still

685
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 3: purchased by a lot of US adults, but not as

686
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 3: many when in proportion now the fenel efrene products are

687
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 3: purchased way, way, way more.

688
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 6: But doesn't it just go to show that, like, despite

689
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 6: FDA approvals, quote unquote, medicine is bulls, Like doesn't it

690
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 6: kind of like just in general point to that, Like

691
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 6: we were talking recently on an episode about the whole

692
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 6: thing with artificial sweeteners.

693
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 5: How it took the FDA.

694
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 6: They already knew when the thing came out that it

695
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 6: wasn't good for you. But now, however, many fifty years later,

696
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 6: they're like, actually, we finally got done with our book

697
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 6: report and we think it's actually we're gonna come out

698
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 6: and say it's not great.

699
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, FDA is garbage man, Well, but check this out.

700
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 3: It's not just the FDA, because there are powerful forces

701
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 3: at play. Because of that change in the Patriot Act

702
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 3: of two thousand and six, finel Efrene came out and

703
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 3: it was Peiser that introduced pseudo fed pe which was

704
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 3: the original one. Because you can't use that active ingredient

705
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 3: to make meth. Right, and it was only a marketing

706
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 3: it was only a ten milligram dose. It was marketing.

707
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 3: You're right, but it was known at the time. It

708
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 3: was known then that it had poor bioavailability.

709
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 2: Also, we got to point out, Matt, I don't want

710
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 2: to take up too. And seven We've got to point

711
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 2: out though that this is another example of legislation lagging

712
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 2: behind technology because because the problem is, if you are

713
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: a legislator, you are playing a very rigged game of

714
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 2: whack a mole. It is is super easy to make

715
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: a drug that is well, what's the word, uh not

716
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: parasympathetic simply yes, yes, like a cousin of it. That

717
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: is to say, change is one little factor, one little molecule, sympathomemetic,

718
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 2: so it has the same effect, but it is just

719
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: a kissing cousin of the thing. And so now you

720
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 2: can say this is not technically the thing that's and

721
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: you know what Pfizer does it as well as your

722
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 2: local mad chemist from out of the nineteen sixties.

723
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Speaker 6: Well, it's the same with all of those like quote

724
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 6: unquote lab chemicals like bath salts and like you know

725
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 6: a THCHC that isn't technically the molecule that is scheduled

726
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 6: by the government, Like THHC is one particular molecule. Then

727
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 6: there's something called like Delta eight that's like one molecule different.

728
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 6: But that means they can sell it at the gas station.

729
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 6: That means they can sell it at the head shop

730
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 6: quote unquote. And it takes that they get it gets targeted.

731
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 6: But that requires debates in the halls of government. You know,

732
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 6: somebody has to like die and someone has to get

733
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 6: mad and like write a letter to their congressman or

734
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 6: like create them all this stuff.

735
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 5: Like what you're saying, man is actually absolutely right.

736
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: We're talking about sales. I just have to give two figures.

737
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 3: And this is it. When we're talking about taking these

738
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 3: drugs off the shelves and not selling them anymore, we're

739
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 3: talking about a major hit to major drug manufacturing BILLI yeah, billion,

740
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 3: because in twenty twenty two, according to CBS News and

741
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 3: the FDA report itself, there were two hundred and forty

742
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 3: two million bottles, packages, units, or whatever of this cold

743
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 3: and allergy medication sold.

744
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 6: And that stuff's like thirty five bucks a pop, like

745
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 6: each one of those, Like they're very pricey, you know

746
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 6: that that type of medication over the counter.

747
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it depending I don't have I don't know

748
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 3: if that's just in the US or international league guys,

749
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 3: but that seems like a large number. The money number

750
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 3: associated with that is roughly Penelefrene products make up an

751
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 3: annual sales amount of one point eight billion dollars. So

752
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 3: that's a huge hit to the bottom line if you

753
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 3: take those off.

754
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

755
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: And also quick correction, sympathommetic is those are those are

756
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 2: drugs like pe that that mimic certain effects on the

757
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 2: sympathetic nervous system. The better general term is just analog drug,

758
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 2: but the what we're is still accurate ed. It's whenever

759
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 2: there's a billions of dollars on the line, things get

760
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: ugly so quick because the pharmaceutical lobbies are best in class,

761
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: to be quite honest.

762
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, well, and just to put a cap on it.

763
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 6: From my end, the thing that I was talking about

764
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 6: earlier with the Munjarro is what I did look up

765
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 6: is there's probably some of that in there, but it's

766
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 6: not FDA tested.

767
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 5: Or approved, and proceed at your own risk.

768
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Speaker 6: The reason I even found this out was I had

769
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 6: a physical and I told my doctor, who prescribed me

770
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 6: the Manjarro, but it was like thirteen hundred dollars. And

771
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 6: then I found this dietitian. I told him, Oh, I've

772
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 6: been taking this Manjaro.

773
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 5: It's great. He's like, wait, you got it for us.

774
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 5: I'm like, nope, I got it from this dietitian.

775
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 6: He's like, ooh hmm, not sure about that. These compounding pharmacies,

776
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 6: you'd really never really know what you're gonna get. I

777
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 6: thought that was very because again I looked it up FDA.

778
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 6: But to my previous statement, and then I'm done, FDA

779
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 6: approval is bullsh who cares well.

780
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Speaker 3: I mean to some extent. That's what we've been finding

781
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 3: out right. No, to everyone listening, you are not going

782
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 3: to get sick. You're not going to get your kids

783
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 3: sick from using these drugs. They are just not going

784
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 3: to be effective at doing the thing they say they

785
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 3: do on the box. That's it.

786
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Speaker 4: We'll be back with more strange news, and we have returned.

787
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Speaker 2: Folks. If you are a longtime conspiracy realist, there is

788
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 2: little doubt that you have heard a bit about UAPs, UFOs, aliens, extraterrestrials,

789
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 2: non human intelligence, especially in the past few months or

790
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: the past few years. Our last story today bit of

791
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 2: a combo meal. We've got a palate cleanser for you

792
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: at the end. I hope it's a pallet cleanser. Comes

793
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 2: to us from North America, which is absolutely blowing up

794
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 2: with alleged UAP news. Quite recently, the Congress of Mexico

795
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 2: had an amazing experience. I think it's an amazing experience.

796
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: We'll see. I wasn't there in person. Lawmakers of Mexico

797
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 2: got together and convened a session wherein they were shown

798
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 2: allegedly alien corpses retrieved from Peru that's our first clue.

799
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, that's our first clue. The guys running the

800
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: running point on this is a journalist and ufologist named

801
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: Jamie Mawson m aussa n and took an oath and said,

802
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 2: you know, these mummified specimens are not part of quote

803
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 2: our terrestrial evolution now that a third of their DNA

804
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: is unknown.

805
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 6: Doesn't it feel like these kinds of stories are starting

806
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 6: to get printed in more and more prestigious publications Like sure,

807
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 6: it used to be that this kind of story would

808
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 6: be in like the Daily Mail or like the Sun

809
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 6: or whatever, the National Inquirer. But now we've got like

810
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 6: experts saying, Yep, there was definitely a mummified corpse an

811
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 6: alien autopsy situation that I've never seen before.

812
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 5: That's wild.

813
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: It's interesting because Peru does subconsciously make most people think

814
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 2: of mummies when you say there's an ancient corpse found there.

815
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: That's that's part of the debate. That's a good point too,

816
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 2: because one of the biggest Western sources reporting this is

817
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 2: The Independent. So shout out to Tara Cobham, who wrote

818
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 2: a great story here that you can read. Now alien

819
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: corpse has shown to Congress as UFO expert is forced

820
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 2: to testify under oath. I think it's a little bit

821
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: of editorialization to say forced to testify because a guy

822
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 2: totally volunteered. But you can look at pictures of these

823
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 2: things on the independent there. I want to shout out

824
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 2: everybody reached out on Instagram and various social meds to

825
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: point this story out the pictures themselves, and be honest

826
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 2: with you, not super duper impressive. The skeptics are already

827
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 2: having a field day, as are of course, the true believers.

828
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: But what did they talk about? So it's you can

829
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 2: watch the entirety of the hearing. It is in Spanish,

830
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: but you can also find some pretty good English transcriptions

831
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: if you're not if you're not feeling super duper confident

832
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 2: in you're Spanish. And we know that they did radiocarbon

833
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: dating per what they say. We know that they did

834
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: DNA testing. We know that they took X rays, and

835
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 2: the X rays are interesting because it appears that one

836
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: of these two corpses has what are being described as

837
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 2: eggs inside inside wear metal metal eggs in their bodies,

838
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 2: god made of stuff like osmium.

839
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Speaker 6: Dude, Okay, I mean the first image in the Independent

840
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 6: piece looks like Yoda. I just want to say that

841
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 6: right now, and like fully looks like Yoda. He's got

842
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 6: like a law or et. He's got like an elongated

843
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 6: head that is like a hammer. It's interesting immediately if

844
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 6: this is real, looks unlike any mummy I've ever seen.

845
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 6: It's not shrunken in the same way that a human

846
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 6: specimen would be shrunken in the way mummification occurs.

847
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 3: I I'm sorry, I'm flabbergasted here. Okay, So I'm looking

848
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 3: at the images Ben from the Independent that we're talking about.

849
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 3: I'm looking at a thing specifically. Gosh, this thing it's everything,

850
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 3: is what you're talking about. No, it's the shoulders. For me,

851
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 3: I don't understand where they're classical particulation.

852
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 2: It looks like your kid made one.

853
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 6: I was about to say, it looks like a mud sculpture,

854
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 6: like a like a paper machet, like dummy.

855
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 5: It's weird.

856
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 3: But again, like I don't want to completely discount it

857
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 3: because there it's striking. It's just I don't know, man.

858
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he uh. This guy claims Jamie claims they were

859
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: These two corpses were found in gru in twenty seventeen.

860
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 2: And he also there's something interesting in some of these statements.

861
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: The folks who are saying that this is unusual and

862
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: not just a typical Peruvian mummified human corpse. They're saying, look,

863
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 2: we want to publish the science. We want to get

864
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: this out come disprove us. Look, this is how science works.

865
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 2: Look into what we're doing right now. We think these

866
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 2: are anywhere between seven hundred to eighteen hundred years old.

867
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: And they have weirdly elongated heads. They only got three

868
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: fingers on each hand. That's what they're trying to demonstrate.

869
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: And it does come upon the hills of the UAP

870
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 2: statement to US Congress with you know, of course Grush, Travlor,

871
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 2: Ryan Graves and so on. And it's nuts to see

872
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: how this. So I started digging into the story a little.

873
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: And the first thing you want to do on these things,

874
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 2: you want to read the official statements. You want to

875
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 2: learn about the source of the statement. Right, who is

876
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: saying this and do they have any sort of motivation?

877
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: Do they have a book coming out? You know what

878
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 2: I mean? Do they own a for profit entity that

879
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 2: publicizes putting osmium eggs in your body or something like

880
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 2: that in and again I don't want to cast dispersion here,

881
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 2: but it is proven that this is not our guy's

882
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 2: first rodeo. He has previously been associated with claims of

883
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: extraterrestrial or non human intelligence discoveries that had later been debunked,

884
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 2: including five mummies also found in Peru in twenty seventeen

885
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 2: that were later shown to be human children.

886
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 5: See, there we go.

887
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 6: And I did just look up The Independent on a

888
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 6: site that scores reliability and the Independent gets forty point

889
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 6: three to two on the reliability scale negative seven point

890
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 6: five to four, by which I don't quite understand the

891
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 6: scale of this, but I do think The Independent is

892
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 6: sort of a old school British sort of tabloid kind

893
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 6: of thing to a degree.

894
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,240
Speaker 2: I don't know if I call it a tablet.

895
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 5: No, I've always signed exactly.

896
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 6: But even the Mirror of the Sun by some journalist

897
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 6: type folks are considered to be not as you know,

898
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 6: Oh that's.

899
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 2: What I'm saying. Yeah, those are trash. The Independents more

900
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 2: like the Telegraph.

901
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 5: And there you go.

902
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 6: So my point is like, this is the kind of

903
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 6: story that you used to see on papers in the

904
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 6: grocery store. Bat Boy things like that. Now we have

905
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 6: too much information. We can't be fooled by that stuff anymore.

906
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 6: We have to be fed more data to be like

907
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 6: maybe maybe this is an alien mummy, but this is

908
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 6: the type of paper that would print a bogus story.

909
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 6: That's all I'm saying.

910
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 2: I see what you're saying. Uh there, And of course

911
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 2: uh this one journalist who has been associated with previously

912
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: debunked claims he's not the only person who spoke with

913
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 2: Congress there in Mexico. I want to shout out Jose Dijesuslt. Benitez,

914
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 2: who is a forensic sciences specialist, and he's got his

915
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 2: bona fides. You can read his full statement in Spanish

916
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: and English. And he talks in detail, kind of similar

917
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 2: to some previous reports we saw to US Congress. He

918
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 2: talks in detail about different things. One thing to your

919
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 2: earlier question, Matt, one thing you spend some time on

920
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 2: is articulation points. You know, you look at it and

921
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 2: you're like, Wow, this is a crappy g I Joe,

922
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: it's elbows.

923
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 5: Don't bend, yeah, doesn't you know? Yeah?

924
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 2: And so he talks through, he talks through the anatomy

925
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 2: of these corpses. He talks through unusual developments, like how

926
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 2: it has in the thorax. There's a structure similar to

927
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 2: that of birds, and he says, the thorax structure that

928
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: is kind of like a bird. It kind of avian

929
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 2: allows those shoulder joints to continue and move very well,

930
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 2: so at the very least, if it's a cod. He

931
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 2: he was up at night saying, I know that Matt

932
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 2: Frederick's gonna ask about the shoulders, so let me get

933
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 2: my work in.

934
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 3: Now, got stick and move on this guy.

935
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 5: Can we talk about the hips though?

936
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 6: The hips are aggressive, I mean they are jutting.

937
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 5: They are They're like a shelf, and then the and

938
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 5: the butt.

939
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 6: It's clearly laying flat on a flat surface and there's

940
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 6: no nothing poking out.

941
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 5: The back of the hips are protruding like three four inches.

942
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 3: It's crazy because the hips look like bones to me, right,

943
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 3: the weavers are, but then the arms. I think that's

944
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 3: what's making maybe tripping up my mind.

945
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 5: It looks phony, man, it looks phony.

946
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 3: Well because the shoulders don't look bony to me. It

947
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 3: looks like musculature or something that would make it look

948
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 3: more smooth. Sorry, which is weird.

949
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 2: It is a very strange thing too. And you know,

950
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 2: I would say, in all fairness, if you have looked

951
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 2: at mummified remains in the past for animals as well

952
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: as humans, they could look at hokey a little bit

953
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: hokey as well. You know, I hate to look at

954
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 2: these remnants of ancient, amazing civilizations and think their production

955
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 2: value wasn't where I wanted it to be.

956
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 6: Is this a fossil that we're looking at like or like,

957
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 6: what are we Is this like a fossilized skeleton that

958
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 6: is you know, we're looking at the shape that was

959
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 6: made by rock intrusions into where it left the hole

960
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 6: in the fossilt, just making sure.

961
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a so whatever it is, it definitely

962
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 2: at least appears to hold up the scans. The big

963
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 2: extraordinary claim is that it's not human, and that needs

964
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 2: to be verified by multiple people. But also you have

965
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 2: part of that verification is looking at the track record

966
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 2: of the person who is making these claims. And this

967
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 2: person apparently has attempted to or has made similar claims

968
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 2: in the past. That doesn't mean what they're saying now

969
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 2: is not true. That just means we've got to think

970
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: about it. We've got to think through what their motivations

971
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 2: could be. And you can, of course you can find

972
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: again the transcripts here, which seem to be made in

973
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 2: good faith. You can watch the entire hearing and espanel

974
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 2: on any number of video platforms. Of course, Twitter loves

975
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 2: this or x loves this, and I gotta say it's

976
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 2: been really interesting to get into the weeds and read

977
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 2: the back and forth of what they're saying, because if

978
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 2: you listen to the folks who are saying this is extraordinary,

979
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 2: they've got specialist and metallurgy radiologists, geneticis.

980
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 6: The interior eggs. That's fascinating. That's a real eyebrow raiser

981
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 6: for me. The idea of metal eggs is interesting.

982
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 3: Ben, did you give a length or like a height

983
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 3: or just a size?

984
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 2: No, not yet, not yet. That's good.

985
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 6: Let's it's in a drawer. It looks like in the image,

986
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,919
Speaker 6: it's like in a drawer. It's like a velvety kind

987
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 6: of you know, sunken thing like you would present a

988
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 6: king's crown. You know, it's very unusual.

989
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 2: They're a little oshkosh bagosh caskets basically because there it is. Yeah,

990
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 2: they're not gonna be. They're not gonna be point guards

991
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 2: in the NBA. You know what I mean that that

992
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,760
Speaker 2: part is true? Uh, they are. The thing that's strange

993
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 2: is they fit a lot of the popular description of

994
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 2: little green men, you know, create heads, somewhat vestigial noses,

995
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 2: a lower number of flangies or whatever, and much smaller

996
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 2: heights or toes as well. I guess this is yeah,

997
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 2: this like we I was talking with some Mexican contacts

998
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 2: who are also UFO fans about this, and even the

999
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 2: guys that I thought would be super on board, like

1000
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 2: super yes, tell us more, even they were saying, yeah.

1001
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 2: Even they were saying, I don't know if this is

1002
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 2: because they all knew about this guy previously. I did not.

1003
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:27,959
Speaker 5: I didn't either.

1004
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 6: But isn't it funny that like the mainstream relatively quote

1005
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 6: unquote mainstream press is picking up this story that was

1006
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:35,720
Speaker 6: you know, how.

1007
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 5: Did this come up? Again?

1008
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 6: It was presented before Mexican lawmakers kind of like how

1009
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 6: was there an official panel about this? Like it was

1010
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 6: kind of official. That's why they picked it up over here,

1011
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:47,760
Speaker 6: I think right.

1012
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 3: It was a congressional hearing understanding Yeah.

1013
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.

1014
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 6: So that's enough to make a quote unquote reputable American

1015
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 6: journalist agency be like, we're going to report on this.

1016
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 6: We also know it's gonna get us click because you know,

1017
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 6: disclosure it's happening, like like, come on, we're going to

1018
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 6: get clicks.

1019
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 3: Ben, Who else was that that? Hearing Lindsey?

1020
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there were there were some greatest hits. I

1021
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 2: think Graves was there, right.

1022
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 3: Uh, Look, we mentioned recently.

1023
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do the big reveal man, Mister.

1024
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 3: Lob we just talked about.

1025
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 6: I don't know who that is.

1026
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 2: Abby Lobe is a storied Harvard astrophysicist that I had

1027
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:35,919
Speaker 2: mentioned in previous Strange News last week who discovered some

1028
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:40,720
Speaker 2: fascinating ferials we're calling them off the coast of New Guinea.

1029
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 2: And if you would if you had asked me, if

1030
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 2: you had been like, hey, Ben, I'm the editor of

1031
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 2: the Independent. I need to do a show to get

1032
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 2: I need to do an article to get some clicks.

1033
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: And if you asked me off record, I would say, UFOs.

1034
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 2: That's what the point I'm making to the you know,

1035
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 2: to the question you asked, there has to be some

1036
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 2: skepticism there and that that means that, once again, I

1037
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 2: don't know about you guys, I'm putting on my foxmoulder

1038
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 2: hat I want to believe so badly though you know no,

1039
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: But indeed so they do have, but they do have

1040
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 2: appeal to us. I think in modern folklore there's this

1041
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 2: this concept that there are inexplicable things about the world,

1042
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 2: or there is some mystery to decode, and the question

1043
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 2: always becomes one of good versus bad faith actors. Do

1044
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 2: these folks really believe what they're saying or is it

1045
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 2: a cynical grift in order to make some sort of profit,

1046
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 2: And that can be a difficult question to answer when

1047
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,280
Speaker 2: you are living in history as it's being written. Before

1048
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 2: we move on, to be absolutely clear, I am personally

1049
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 2: ninety nine point nine percent sure these purported alien bodies

1050
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 2: are absolutely a hoax. In fact, I would advance to

1051
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 2: you the idea that they are a modern version of P. T.

1052
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 2: Barnum's famous Fiji mermaid. These are absolutely debunked, in my opinion,

1053
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,479
Speaker 2: they are part of a scam. As a matter of fact,

1054
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 2: if you look at several articles around this, including the

1055
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 2: Vox article by Aja Romano, you will find that there

1056
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 2: is in fact a crowdfunding project over on ulula dot

1057
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 2: com which is entirely about constructing these things. So our

1058
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 2: big question, our big conspiracy now is why did the

1059
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 2: Mexican Congress agree to play these reindeer games in the

1060
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 2: first place. Curiouser and curiouser, so would love to hear

1061
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 2: your thoughts on that. Folks, tell you how to get

1062
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 2: in touch with us at the end as a palate

1063
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:05,919
Speaker 2: cleanser here or a very worrying thing. Your mileage may vary.

1064
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 2: I want to give a special shout out to Joseph

1065
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 2: s on Instagram hipped us to this story. Speaking of tabloids,

1066
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 2: this is from the Mirror in the UK. The first

1067
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 2: red heifer in two thousand years fulfills the biblical prophecies

1068
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 2: and signals the quote end of days.

1069
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 5: Okay, what tell no more?

1070
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 2: Murder not with a bang, but with some cattle. Apparently,

1071
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 2: in Christianity and Judaism, red heifers show up in stories

1072
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 2: about the end times, and the birth and sacrifice of

1073
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 2: a red cow is said to proceed the construction of

1074
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 2: the Third Temple in Jerusalem, and then in Orthodox Judaism,

1075
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 2: rebuilding that temple happens before the Jewish Messiah arrives.

1076
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 6: Isn't that fascinating that the cow is a big deal

1077
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 6: in Hinduism, the sacred cow. It's a big deal in

1078
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 6: the golden calf, the idol that you worship and all

1079
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 6: of that stuff. It's a very like it comes up

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Speaker 6: a lot in all of these various religious iconographies.

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Speaker 4: Hmm.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now this is a weird one for me. This

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Speaker 3: is really weird one for me. And I was a

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Speaker 3: Bible boy for a long time, but this I don't.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know a lot about this. The red heifer

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Speaker 3: of that concept looks to me and I may be

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Speaker 3: completely wrong to be associated with almost a virginal human.

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Speaker 3: Its a bovine, a female bovine which has never been

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Speaker 3: pregnant or milked or yoked.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think the specific line is something like, to

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Speaker 2: your point, Matt, speak unto the children of Israel, the

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Speaker 2: Lord commanded that they bring the red heifer without spot,

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Speaker 2: wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came a yoke.

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Speaker 6: Isn't that asking for a sacrifice?

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Speaker 2: Though?

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Speaker 3: Sort of it is. It was for sacrificial purposes. That's

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Speaker 3: the virginals.

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Speaker 6: Sacrifices are like a thing, you know.

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Speaker 5: It's very interesting.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I just don't understand the significance of this one

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Speaker 3: perfectly spotless whatever, whatever the criterias.

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Speaker 6: I mean, there's so many little mentions, and I think

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Speaker 6: it's actually sort of been debunked that like six sixty

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Speaker 6: six is mentioned in revelations. I think that's not true, right,

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Speaker 6: and like there right, the number of the beasts. But

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Speaker 6: there are things in the Bible that portent an end

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Speaker 6: of times thing, and anybody that wants to interpret it

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Speaker 6: and spit it out to their followers can flip it

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Speaker 6: and do whatever they want with it.

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Speaker 2: And the director of the Temple Institute, Rabbi Chai Richmond,

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Speaker 2: spoke about this and said, we have we and several

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Speaker 2: other rabbinical experts have examined this cow, and it is

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Speaker 2: indeed a viable candidate for the biblical red heifer. I

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Speaker 2: had no idea that they were so candidingly rare. And

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Speaker 2: as someone you know who has a color blindness or

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Speaker 2: color deficiency, if there were people like me on the far,

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Speaker 2: we would have never known in the world with just.

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Speaker 6: Event, but that they have criteria ready like for the thing, like, oh,

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Speaker 6: here it is, let's check the boxes.

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Speaker 5: You know, that's wild to me.

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Speaker 3: Red is also a translated color. Remember this is man.

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Speaker 3: Red doesn't mean red necessarily, it could mean yellow, eric

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Speaker 3: could be yellowish, like check it out. There's there are

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Speaker 3: translation differences that have been associated with this thing and

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Speaker 3: what it actually means or would look like.

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Speaker 6: Well, to the point then of someone with colorblindness, color.

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Speaker 5: Is all relative.

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Speaker 6: It's all about like what you ascribe that color to be,

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Speaker 6: and then you know the word you choose to use

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Speaker 6: to like describe it to other people. That is usually

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Speaker 6: pretty irrelevant.

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Speaker 2: Well, it seems, of course in this case, to both

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Speaker 2: your points, this seems extremely relevant to some people. Again,

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Speaker 2: not not everyone of these faiths is agreeing with this

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Speaker 2: to I think one of the big takeaways here is

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Speaker 2: that apparently that's a very rare type of cow and

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Speaker 2: will it lead to huge revelations to apocalyptic times? Well,

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Speaker 2: you can make the argument that we live in those

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Speaker 2: and already have. So we would love to hear your

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Speaker 2: take on this, folks. Biblical prophecy is just so unundingly fascinating.

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Speaker 3: Give it to us, Matt, We've got to talk about one.

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Speaker 3: This episode is coming out on September eighteenth, twenty twenty three. Okay,

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Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen, you guys, we made an episode titled

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Speaker 3: will the or will the world end tomorrow or today

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Speaker 3: or something like that. Do you remember this, Yeah, it

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Speaker 3: was September twenty third, twenty seventeen. There are a ton

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Speaker 3: of rumors circulating right now that the world is going

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Speaker 3: to end this year. I guess on Saturday, as you're

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Speaker 3: hearing this episode on September two, twenty third, twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 3: So everybody get ready. I guess for either nothing or

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Speaker 3: the end of the world.

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Speaker 2: I guess, And we'll be here until the lights go out.

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