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Speaker 1: study education. I had an idea that potentially I could teach,

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Speaker 1: but I never pursued in any way, shape or form.

432
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 1: But I saw that flyer. I did some research and

433
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,439
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'm doing this. And so this

434
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 1: was back in twenty ten. Our two thousand and nine

435
00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 1: is actually when I applied. I applied in one of

436
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: the first early deadlines, and I did a mock lesson.

437
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,719
Speaker 1: I had a bunch of interviews. The whole interview process

438
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,239
Speaker 1: was very rigorous, and I'll never forget. I got an

439
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 1: email and then a call saying, oh my gosh, congratulations,

440
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: you got it. It's in Houston, Texas. And so I

441
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 1: called my mom and my mom was like, oh my gosh,

442
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: this is so great. Congrats, But you're not going to

443
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 1: go to Texas right, Like that's yeah, you can't, Like

444
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,919
Speaker 1: you don't know anyone down there. You wouldn't do that.

445
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 1: It's a bummer you didn't get one of your preferred locations.

446
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 1: And I was like, nope, I'm going and she was

447
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: like wait what, And so yeah, I graduated and within

448
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: two weeks, I packed up my entire dorm room, moved

449
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: back to Peauty, packed up a bunch of bags, flew

450
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: my mom flew down with me to Houston, helped me

451
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: get settled, and I actually lived at Rice University because

452
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 1: with Teach for America, they put you through, for the

453
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 1: lack of a better term, like a teacher boot camp

454
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 1: where for a couple months you are all on one

455
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: campus and you're essentially kind of getting an undergraduate degree

456
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: in a few months, and so it's a lot of work,

457
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: and you're also doing summer school. So I taught a

458
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: remedial seventh grade summer school math and while also becoming

459
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 1: a teacher in learning, behavior management, studying diversity, because I

460
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 1: loved Teach for America for this, but there was a

461
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: huge emphasis on understanding diversity and doing a lot of

462
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: self exploration in order to be able to go into

463
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: these communities and serve in a way that was appropriate.

464
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Speaker 2: Honestly, did you feel a little bit overwhelmed at this

465
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 2: point because I feel like to be a woman that

466
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 2: is half black and you're like coming into your own

467
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,959
Speaker 2: you're like trying to figure out the right way to

468
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 2: like speak to young teens about their race and their diversity,

469
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 2: Like it just seems like it would be a lot

470
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Speaker 2: to take on.

471
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Speaker 1: Oh. Absolutely, And I was actually placed in elementary, so

472
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 1: at least I was with younger kids. But for that

473
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: summer school, I was with seventh graders, and some of

474
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: my peers that teach for America were with high schoolers,

475
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: so twenty two twenty three, they were, you know, working

476
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 1: with kids that are eighteen, nineteen years old. So yes,

477
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 1: it was definitely I don't know if overwhelming was the

478
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: right word. It was challenging, but it was so eye opening,

479
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: Like I will never forget that summer. I was sitting

480
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: down at a table with it was all boys, and

481
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: we were having these conversations and there was there's a

482
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: lot of diversity at the table and someone asked me,

483
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: They said, what are you? Because I get that question

484
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: all the time, and I explained it. I said, my

485
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: dad is black and he has he's a little Portuguese

486
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: as well, but he's black. And my mom is full Italian,

487
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,719
Speaker 1: and I will never forget this little boy just he

488
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: was in the middle of eating, he like put his

489
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: food down, and he looked at me and he said,

490
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: but how did the black person meet the white person?

491
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: This is in twenty ten, And I was like, wow,

492
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 1: that was such a profound and life changing moment and

493
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: question for me. My response was at a bar, like

494
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: because that's literally where they met. But I was like, wow,

495
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 1: there's still so much separation and so much lack of

496
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: diversity within communities that that's actually a really good question.

497
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 1: And if I had spent a whole life in Peaberty

498
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 1: and in Connecticut, where I went to school, I might

499
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: never have known that that's other people's experiences.

500
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, of course, so many of

501
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 2: us are like finding our own ways to do the

502
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 2: work right now. But some of the conversations that I've

503
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 2: been having with my friends, I mean, I grew up

504
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 2: in a town that's eighty percent white. I went to

505
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: the University of Connecticut sixty percent white. Like, I definitely

506
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 2: have been exposed to and interacted and have friends and

507
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 2: all the things with individuals of all races. But I

508
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 2: certainly come from a fair amount of privilege and to

509
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 2: like that young child's question, Like, it's so interesting because

510
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: some people that I grew up with, like the conversations

511
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 2: that I'm having lately are did we have any black

512
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 2: teachers when we were growing up? And the answer to

513
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 2: that is actually no, I had not one black educator

514
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: until I got to Yukon. I didn't have I had

515
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: Hispanic teachers, but I had no black teachers at Trumble

516
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 2: High School. None. None. And that's crazy because I never

517
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: took a step back. I had black classmates, like I

518
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: had dated black men, Like it's been something that like

519
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: I have integrated into my life, but like, because of

520
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 2: the system, I had very little interaction.

521
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: Wow, that's incredible that you've been able to like sit

522
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: back and reflect on that. And I mean, I grew

523
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 1: up and I don't know the numbers of Peavity. Boddy

524
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: was definitely predominantly white, and I had one black teacher

525
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: and a substitute teacher and he was the father of

526
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: the only black, other black family in pevoty.

527
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: Mm, that's so interesting and it's so interesting also what

528
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 2: you said before about like being raised not thinking about color.

529
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's I mean especially right now. It's really

530
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: great because I'm able to have these these difficult conversations

531
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: with my family, and it's important for me to like

532
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: state this is that when we have these conversations, we

533
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: end up taking things a lot a lot of times

534
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: personally right because this is hard stuff, this is life, identity,

535
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: family stuff, and we have to question things that we

536
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: have gone along with for so long. And so having

537
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: these difficult conversations with my parents has been tough because

538
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: I'm like, y'all, I love you, and I had a

539
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: great childhood and I'm so grateful for so much. But

540
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 1: I was raised colorblind, and that's not okay because by

541
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: not knowing who I am fully, I have never really

542
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: felt like I fit in anywhere. I don't feel That's

543
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: the thing about when you are biracial oftentimes, is that

544
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: you fit in everywhere. Like if a company was to

545
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: do a campaign and they could only choose one person,

546
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: they would likely choose someone that looks like me, because

547
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: I pass for anything really. But at the same time,

548
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: I fit in nowhere because I don't feel even I

549
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: did something on Instagram not too long ago where I

550
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: said exactly that, I said, I'm not completely white so

551
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm drawn. I'm playing on both of these sides where

552
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: I'm mourning the losses of my brothers and sisters and

553
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: feeling scared and worried for my own family. But at

554
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: the same time, I have to check myself and understand

555
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: I'm lighter skinned, I have light skin privilege, and that

556
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: affords a whole different experience for me. That's why it's

557
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: so important to highlight the different black experiences because oftentimes,

558
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: when especially white people talk about black people, it's like

559
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: the black experience, but it is so complex, it is

560
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: so multifaceted, and there's really no two that are the same.

561
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 2: When you were growing up in the Boston area, can

562
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: you remember any times where you were made to feel

563
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: some kind of way because of the color of your skin.

564
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I was never so first, I had someone in

565
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: school when I was in and this is so wild

566
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: to me that I remember this, because I don't have

567
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: a great memory, but I had someone say Jess's dad

568
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: is black and beautiful, and when I was in first

569
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: or second grade, and I was like, okay, Like it

570
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: was weird because I think one of my teachers was like,

571
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: oh no, it's a compliment, and I'm like okay, but

572
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: like the black part, I wasn't told about my blackness.

573
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay. And then when I was

574
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: playing softball, a little girl came up to me and

575
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: she said, are you mulatto? And you're gonna laugh because

576
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: this is like the best part of the story. I'm

577
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: like a Milano cookie, like I love Mulana cookies, like

578
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: I grew up here. I was like yeah, And I

579
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: went over to my mom and I asked, I said, Mom,

580
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: am I a mulatto? And she my mom is barely

581
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: five feet she is the most non intimidating looking like woman.

582
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: And she comes right over to this little girl's mom

583
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: and flipped out on her.

584
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

585
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and right at the softball field. And I don't

586
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: remember having a follow up conversation with my mom. I

587
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: don't remember hearing the word mulatto again until sixth grade

588
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: when I opened up a textbook and I saw European

589
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: and African descent. So I was like, oh shit, I

590
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: am why did my mom get so upset? Is this

591
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: a negative term? Like? I was so confused. And then

592
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: when a friend of mine got really upset with me

593
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: in high school, she screamed at me saying how nappy

594
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: my hair was, like out of nowhere, And then this

595
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying about all these bizarre times that

596
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: I just remember so vividly. I was on the phone

597
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: with a guy at my friend's house in high school,

598
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: probably ninth tenth grade, Yeah, probably tenth grade, and I

599
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: was distracted by my friend who I was at her

600
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: house where I was talking to her, and to get

601
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: my attention on the phone, he was like, Hey, African American,

602
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: I'm talking to you. What And I was like, I

603
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: just remember being stunned. I don't even I think I

604
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: probably just hung up because I was so stunned that

605
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: I guess it stuns me because I'm like, I've never

606
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: had a conversation about black people or my own blackness

607
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: with any of these people that have said these things

608
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: to me, So I just wonder what are they thinking

609
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: about or what are they talking to others potentially about

610
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: that they've never said to me, but feel comfortable saying

611
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: things like that to me.

612
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, as you said before, something that I think is

613
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 2: really valuable is this idea that there is one black perspective.

614
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 2: There's not one black perspective, like there's not one type

615
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: of runner. There's not one type of woman, there's not

616
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: one way to like be in love or god. I mean,

617
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: this can go on for every single thing in the world.

618
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: But it's interesting to me, and this is why these

619
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 2: conversations are so valuable, the idea that, like, we can

620
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,959
Speaker 2: have the same type of conversation with so many different

621
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: people and every single time you will get something new

622
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: out of it.

623
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And I mean, especially with the Black community,

624
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: I feel like everyone's trying to pigeonhole us and say

625
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: the black experience, well, there's racism doesn't exist because you know,

626
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: I there's a person at my job that just got

627
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: promoted to CEO and he's black, or oh, there's not

628
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: systemic racism and poverty and systems working against black people

629
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: because look at all the black celebrities and athletes that

630
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: have so much money, they don't all have poverty. And

631
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: it's like we cannot those are exceptions to the rule,

632
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: and so we have to stop thinking that we understand

633
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: a group of people based off of one or two

634
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,239
Speaker 1: or three people that we know or don't even know

635
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: that we know of. And I think it's really important,

636
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: like you said, just with everyone affording the same generosity

637
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: of spirit and knowledge about black people is that you

638
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: know everyone is different. I will never yes, I am black,

639
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: but I will never know the unique experiences and challenges

640
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: that dark skinned black women experience. And I talked about

641
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: that with my teammate Toun Day from Peloton when she

642
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: did a little Instagram live not too long ago, and

643
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: she literally asked me and it stumped me in front

644
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: of everyone. She was like, when you walk into a room,

645
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: how do you think people perceive you? And I literally

646
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Speaker 1: I said I don't know. She's like, well, what do

647
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Speaker 1: you mean you don't know? And I said, well, if

648
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Speaker 1: I walk in with you, a dark skined black woman

649
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: and another black person, I'm black. But if I walk

650
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: in with a bunch of my white friends, I would

651
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I would assume that people would think

652
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Speaker 1: that I'm white or that I'm Hispanic Latino. And so

653
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: she was she was like, she kept on prying, well,

654
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: how do you think that people? I was like, I don't.

655
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: That's the struggle about being biracial is that you really

656
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: don't know how people perceive you. They people perceive me

657
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Speaker 1: the way that they want to perceive me, the way

658
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: that it and it sounds really negative, and I don't

659
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: want it to be negative, but people perceive me the

660
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: way that they want to perceive me. That how what

661
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Speaker 1: what would fit in with what they want out of

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Speaker 1: that situation in that moment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that can also go hand in

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Speaker 2: hand with like the personality side of things.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: I've done exercises before where someone asks you like, how

667
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: do you think that people would perceive you or label

668
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Speaker 2: you if they only had one minute with you and

669
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Speaker 2: they met you at a party, And then ask yourself,

670
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Speaker 2: what do you want people to perceive you or how

671
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Speaker 2: do you want people to perceive you if they meet

672
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Speaker 2: you for a minute at a party, And the answers

673
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: to those questions can actually be very different, right, because

674
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Speaker 2: that's when you take a step back and you ask

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Speaker 2: yourself like are you being true to who you are?

676
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Speaker 2: Are you holding back? Are you trying to make up

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Speaker 2: for something? Are you presenting in a certain way because

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00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 2: you want to be liked? And it's like who is

679
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 2: it that you want to be? And are you being

680
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 2: true to who it is that you are? And like

681
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Speaker 2: living your values to the outside world. Let's bring it

682
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Speaker 2: back to Texas. How does Texas go for you.

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Speaker 1: Also, I'm a chameleon. I love wherever I am. I

684
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: bloom more unplanted. I loved growing up in PEBT. I

685
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: loved Hertford and West Hartford where Trinity was. I loved Houston.

686
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Speaker 1: And as I loved Houston, I thought it was very

687
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Speaker 1: different than what I expected, because, believe it or not,

688
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: I had only been to New York City my entire

689
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: life twice for basketball, so never for pleasure, never to

690
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: you know, move around and do the touristy thing. Ever,

691
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: and so when I was told that Houston is the

692
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Speaker 1: I think it was the fourth largest city in the US,

693
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Speaker 1: I was thinking something like New York City. But it's

694
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Speaker 1: very different. It's an urban sprawl. It's very spread out,

695
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: and yes, everything is bigger in Texas. There's like ten

696
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Speaker 1: lane highways. The food is amazing, the happy hour scene

697
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 1: is amazing. People were so kind, and I absolutely loved

698
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Speaker 1: it down there.

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Speaker 2: I love it. Okay, so your teaching experience must be

700
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Speaker 2: pretty great because you go on to continue on this path.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So I was hired to teach fifth grade math,

702
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Speaker 1: and so I did that the first year, and then

703
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Speaker 1: the second year I did third grade, and I taught

704
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Speaker 1: everything which was a really cool experience because I was

705
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Speaker 1: hired to teach math and that was my least favorite subject,

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Speaker 1: and the principal hired me specifically because I said math

707
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: was my least favorite subject, because he told me that

708
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Speaker 1: since I didn't like it, I would come up with

709
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Speaker 1: fun and interesting ways to teach it to the kids

710
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Speaker 1: for other kids who don't like math. And I was like,

711
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: oh wow, Tooche, all right, I get that. And so

712
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: then I taught reading and I got to do science

713
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Speaker 1: and social studies and all that other good stuff down

714
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Speaker 1: there for my second year, and so I was one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent planning on staying for a third year. But

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Speaker 1: then I was recruited to open up which I thought

717
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Speaker 1: was a once in a lifetime opportunity and I really

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Speaker 1: believed it was to open up a brand new elementary

719
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Speaker 1: school in Harlem with just kindergarten. So there were only

720
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Speaker 1: eighteen people on staff. There were five kindergarten classes, two

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Speaker 1: fully certified teachers in every classroom, and then you know,

722
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Speaker 1: support staff. And so I moved up to New York

723
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Speaker 1: to be closer, you know, toward to my family and friends,

724
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Speaker 1: and I taught kindergarten and that was if you ever

725
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: want to test your patients, you should be in a

726
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Speaker 1: room with twenty seven four and five year olds from

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Speaker 1: seven o'clock in the morning until five pm daily. Wow.

728
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Speaker 1: Highly recommend And it's funny. Is this always cracks me

729
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Speaker 1: up because my roommate in New York who was also

730
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Speaker 1: at the same school I taught fifth grade, third grade,

731
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Speaker 1: kinder she did the opposite. She did pre K three,

732
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Speaker 1: pre K four, and then kindergarten, which is five years old.

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Speaker 1: So when we started after our first day, I'll never forget,

734
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Speaker 1: I'm like, Jen, that was so hard. These kids are

735
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Speaker 1: so not independent, and she was like, what do you

736
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Speaker 1: mean these kids are so independent? This is so great,

737
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Speaker 1: And it was just really funny to me because I'm like, girl,

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Speaker 1: you say get in line to five year olds and

739
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Speaker 1: it's like hurting cats. It's like trying to get them

740
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Speaker 1: like come here, kids, come here. This is what a

741
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Speaker 1: line is. This is what I mean, stand on this tape.

742
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Speaker 1: So it was such a great experience, and I ended

743
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Speaker 1: up staying with the network that I was at, and

744
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: I taught or after kindergarten, I was an operations director

745
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Speaker 1: at the middle school, and then I did that for

746
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Speaker 1: two years and then I moved back. This was really

747
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Speaker 1: special for me. I moved moved back to the Boston

748
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Speaker 1: area and I went to the city where my dad

749
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 1: was raised, Lynn Mass and I opened up a KIP school,

750
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Speaker 1: the same exact model as I opened up in Harlem.

751
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Speaker 1: As an assistant principal.

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Speaker 2: Talk to me about what a KIP school is.

753
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: So, so the school that I was at Harlem and KIP,

754
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 1: they're both charter schools, so they are public schools. There's

755
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: it's a lottery system to get in. You apply, but

756
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: there's no like, there's no things that you have to meet,

757
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: no tests or anything like that. We take anyone. It's

758
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: literally just a lottery system and it's publicly funded. The

759
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: difference is that there are some private investors that also

760
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Speaker 1: give more money. And so the main difference between a

761
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Speaker 1: charter school and a public school is we have an

762
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Speaker 1: extended school day. So the kids, I believe they got

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Speaker 1: in at seven and like I said, the school day

764
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Speaker 1: was for five year olds till four thirty or five

765
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Speaker 1: pm plus after school if parents chose to keep from there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And the school that I was at in Harlem is

767
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Speaker 1: just a charter school here in the city. But KIP

768
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Speaker 1: is all over. It actually started in Houston, which was

769
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Speaker 1: kind of cool, and it started by Teach for America alone.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you go back to Lynn and you're running

771
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Speaker 2: the ship over there, and then how long does that last?

772
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Speaker 2: For l ol?

773
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Speaker 1: That lasted. So I moved back in June end of June.

774
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Speaker 1: I started July, and I quit in December of twenty fifteen.

775
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Speaker 2: Why'd you quit?

776
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Speaker 1: So? It was a dream job, Emily. It was the

777
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Speaker 1: best run experience school that I've worked at. The principal

778
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: was incredible, the teachers were incredible, the kids, the families.

779
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Speaker 1: I felt so connected to all of them. And guess what,

780
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: I was still unhappy, and so I started to really

781
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: do some reflection and I realized, Okay, Jess, in six years,

782
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: you've held five differferent roles, fifth third, kinder ops director,

783
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: ops director, assistant principle. You worked for Teach for America

784
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: every summer in between those years, so you had even

785
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: more experience. You got your masters when you were down

786
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: in Houston. I went to the University of Saint Thomas

787
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: and I got my master's in teacher leadership. And you're

788
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: still not happy. And so I started to think, and

789
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: I had this really groundbreaking conversation with my boyfriend. At

790
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: the time, he was in fitness and I saw how

791
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: fulfilled he was and how much he loved, you know,

792
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 1: teaching these classes and connecting with people in his classes,

793
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: and so I love that. And I mean, I, like

794
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 1: I said, my whole life was about movement, and I

795
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: wasn't doing movement stuff, or at least not primarily. That

796
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: wasn't my primary role. I can tell you about all

797
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: looking back, all the things that I did that I

798
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: didn't even realize I was doing. But I was just like,

799
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Speaker 1: I can't quit teaching, Like I'm supposed to be a teacher.

800
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: I'm a teacher. I'm a teacher. And he was like, yeah,

801
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: you're you're supposed to be a teacher, but you just

802
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: might be in the wrong setting. And I had this

803
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 1: like mind blown. I was like, wait a minute, you're right.

804
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: So I ended up leaving that kid school in December

805
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: of twenty fifteen. And you're gonna laugh. My old school

806
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: fired their principal in Harlem and begged me to come

807
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: back just until they found a new principal in the

808
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 1: following school year. So when I moved back in December

809
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Speaker 1: of twenty fifteen. In January twenty sixteen, I became the

810
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 1: principal of my old school in Harlem, Cash Cat Yes,

811
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Speaker 1: And so I did that from January to June, and

812
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: everyone knew as soon as I came back. Because here's

813
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: the thing. I love the kids in the family so

814
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: much that like I would never I could never abandon them.

815
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: And I didn't have a job. I was coming back

816
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 1: to New York City to literally do the fitness grind,

817
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: and so I said, let's do this. And so during

818
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Speaker 1: that six month period, during all my free time, you

819
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: can't see me, I'm using air quotes. During my free time,

820
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: I studied for my NASM Personal train assert. I started

821
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: on Instagram because I didn't have one. I had a

822
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: very you know, I never used my personal Instagram. I

823
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: probably posted maybe ten times. I started a fitness Instagram.

824
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 1: I got a photo shoot. I went to a ton

825
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 1: of different boutique studios to kind of get a feel

826
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: for the studios, to see one what studios I loved

827
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Speaker 1: and what, you know, discipline I wanted to teach, And

828
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Speaker 1: two what made a good instructor good great? Because there's

829
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Speaker 1: there are at every studio, as you know, there's always

830
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: like the top instructors, and so I was just very

831
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: curious about what made them great. And you know, so

832
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Speaker 1: I started to really observe. I'm a sponge, so I

833
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 1: was just learning and learning and networking, introducing myself to instructors.

834
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Speaker 1: And yeah, that summer I started working at a boxing

835
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Speaker 1: studio and then a few months later I started training

836
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Speaker 1: at a high intensity interval training studio and I did

837
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Speaker 1: that for two years, and I started also, I did

838
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: this high program for a company that was starting to

839
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: do some online stuff, some camera stuff, and so I

840
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: did that and then tell a.

841
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Speaker 2: Fime taking a break from this week's episode to talk

842
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Speaker 2: about my sponsor, Green Chef, with a launch of season three.

843
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: Things have been really hectic for me. When the pandemic

844
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 2: first started. I feel like I was doing so so

845
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 2: good at going through cookbooks on Sunday in my kitchen

846
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: and meal prepping. But lately it just that planning feels stressful.

847
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Speaker 2: And that's where Green Chef comes in. I am obsessed.

848
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Speaker 2: So first things first, what is it? Green Chef is

849
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Speaker 2: a USD A certified organic company that makes eating well

850
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Speaker 2: easy and affordable, with plans to fit literally every single

851
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: type of lifestyle. They have four different meal plans of

852
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Speaker 2: flitting Paleo, plant powered keto, and what they call BA Living.

853
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 2: You pick which one you want to go with, and

854
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 2: then all of the ingredients to make delicious, delicious meals

855
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Speaker 2: they show bright to your door. Minimal decision making required.

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Speaker 2: A couple of weeks ago. My box had Oh God,

857
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 2: wanted to have Italian breaded pork chops, yes please, red

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Speaker 2: miso steak sturfry, and a roasted zucchini and corn flatbread,

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873
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 2: that transition was like for you, going from being a

874
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 2: school principle to getting into fitness and did you feel

875
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 2: right from the get go that you were doing the

876
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 2: right thing.

877
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: Yeah? So, I mean I knew I was doing the

878
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: right thing because I was having so much fun, but

879
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: I was also so uncomfortable. I'm I'm I'm a leo.

880
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: So people hear that and they're like, oh, you love

881
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: being the center of attention. Actually, never, I actually don't

882
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: love being the center of attention. I like to bring

883
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: other people up and I love to put others in

884
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: positions to succeed. And I realized very early on when

885
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: I started teaching boxing, like this is nerve wracking, but

886
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: people help, I'm starting to change people's lives. Like the

887
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: messages I was getting on Instagram and then that in

888
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: person chats were just really transformational, and I was like, Wow,

889
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: this is huge, just as incredible. And people ask me

890
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: all the time, do you miss teaching? Do you miss teaching?

891
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: And I say, y'all no, because I'm still teaching. Do

892
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: I miss the kids and their families and the other teachers. Absolutely,

893
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: but I don't miss teaching because I am teaching. I'm

894
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: just teaching my preferred subjects.

895
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 2: Now right right, Okay. So you make the transition into

896
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 2: fitness and right off the bat, do you find that

897
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 2: there's like a pretty big learning curve. I mean, I

898
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 2: think that that's one of the things that so many

899
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: people who message me are concerned about. It's like, Hey,

900
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 2: I so admire that you have the opportunity to like

901
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: work in an area that you're so passionate about, that

902
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: you love what you do. I would love to make

903
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: xyz career pivot, but I'm so scared to be a

904
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 2: new fish in the pool, so to speak.

905
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I get that question quite often too, and I say,

906
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,720
Speaker 1: it's a grind. Like you, I would never take it back. Obviously.

907
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: It's the best decision I've made in my life is

908
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: to make this career change. But do not get it twisted.

909
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: The happy, amazing photoshoots and the fun things that I

910
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: put on Instagram, that is a very small percentage of

911
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: actually the work that has gone into it. In the

912
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: two years that I taught in those boutique studios, I

913
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 1: worked seven days a week. I worked every single morning

914
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 1: except for Friday mornings. That was my only morning off

915
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: out of seven days. And the only nights I didn't

916
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: work were Saturday and Sunday nights. If I didn't work,

917
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: I didn't get paid. You get paid per class. It

918
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: is a grind. So if you got sick, you know,

919
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: and had to take days off, that's lost money. If you,

920
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: god forbid, went on a vacation, that's doubly lost money

921
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: because you're spending money and you're not making any. So

922
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: I always felt like I was kind of it was

923
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: a rollercoaster. It was I was like, okay, cool, I

924
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: feel like I'm making a good amount of money. I

925
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 1: feel this is good, you know, really starting to feel

926
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: good about this, and then you know something would happen

927
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: and it's a step back. So it's you got to

928
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: know it's going to be a lot of work, and

929
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: so you have to love what you're going into and

930
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: be ready to work for sure.

931
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 2: So you are ready to work. You're working a lot,

932
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 2: and when does peloton come into the picture.

933
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: So this is like my favorite. This is one of

934
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: those stories I think back to and I'm just like, oh,

935
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: it's just it all happened for the right reasons. So

936
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: a year into me being in fitness, so I was

937
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 1: just at those two studios, still learning a ton, getting

938
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: a ton of other certifications. Rebecca Kennedy, who's our master

939
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 1: instructor at Peloton, she would take my classes, my boxing

940
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: classes really often, and so we would chit chat here

941
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: and there, and then she reached out to me and said, Hey,

942
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: I'd love to grab coffee and chat with you. So

943
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: we grabbed coffee and she told me all about Peloton,

944
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: and she all the perks, all the amazing things about it.

945
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: And I sat there just with the biggest smile on

946
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 1: my face and I'm like, this is incredible, and I'm

947
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: not ready for it. I felt really deep in my

948
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: heart of hearts that I wasn't done learning the places

949
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: that I was currently at. I also wasn't working out myself, because,

950
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: as you know, when you are training other people, you

951
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: put them first, and I didn't have the energy or

952
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: the discipline at that point in just a year of

953
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: prioritizing my own workouts. So I didn't feel comfortable for

954
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: those reasons. And then also I wasn't running the thought

955
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: of running on a treadmill on camera was like a

956
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 1: nightmare to me, so I politely declined whatever whatever. Fast

957
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 1: forward a full year, so it was July of twenty

958
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: sixteen or twenty seventeen where we chatted for the first time.

959
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: July twenty eighteen. I was like, Okay, I've been at

960
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 1: these places for two years. And then, as I mentioned before,

961
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: I had that really great opportunity where once a week

962
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: I was on camera. I was teaching thirty minute hit

963
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: classes and I loved it, and I was like, okay, Wow,

964
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: I actually could see myself doing this camera thing full time.

965
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: And one thing that I really realized about myself in

966
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen is that I am here to bring the

967
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: greatest impact on this world, on this planet, and I

968
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: started to feel that same sense of when I was

969
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: afraid of leaving the classroom to be an administrator. I

970
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: was like, this is so deficit. I can't leave twenty

971
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: five kids to go, you know, just only work with teachers.

972
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 1: But then I changed my perspective and I said, Wow,

973
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,240
Speaker 1: instead of impacting twenty five kids on a daily basis,

974
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm impacting twenty five teachers who each have twenty five kids.

975
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: So by taking a step out, I am making a

976
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: bigger impact. And so with Peloton, yes, we have people

977
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 1: in the classroom for most classes, but the main audience

978
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: is at home. So the main audience I don't see

979
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 1: on a daily basis, and that scared me at first,

980
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: but then again that same parallel of taking that step

981
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: out of the classroom, it's the exact same thing with Pelton.

982
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: So now my impact it's not just New York City.

983
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 1: It's the rest of the US. It's the UK, it's Germany,

984
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: it's Canada, and it's growing. We're a global company, and

985
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: so thinking about the impact that my workouts, my words,

986
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: my programming has on people is like the ultimate blessing.

987
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 2: I remember when I sat down with Ali and she

988
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 2: had the same reaction when Robin talked to her about

989
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 2: coming to be an instructor. She said to her, girl like,

990
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 2: I got other things to focus on. I'm all set,

991
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 2: And Robin was like, no, you don't understand. Like this offer,

992
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 2: this idea, you coming to do this, This is going

993
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 2: to help you do everything that you want to do. Yes, okay,

994
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 2: So you you change your mind, You're like, hey, this

995
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 2: could be a cool thing. So is the offer still

996
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 2: on the table? How does it work out? Yeah?

997
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: So thankfully I didn't go through with the audition the

998
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: first time, just because I was my heart wasn't in it,

999
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: and this is not something that you can go in

1000
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: with half your heart in it. And so I reached

1001
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: back out to her grabbed coffee, and the first question

1002
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: she asked me was why now, And I literally said

1003
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: those things exact same things that I said to you.

1004
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: Is I felt, but I've outgrown the places that I'm mad.

1005
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: I'm ready to move on. I feel ready to be

1006
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 1: in front of a camera, and I've gotten into a

1007
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: nice routine of working out on my own. So I

1008
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: felt good about myself and body and mind, and so

1009
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: she said, okay, cool, So she brought me in for

1010
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: an audition. I taught a twenty minute full body boot

1011
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: camp and that was it. And then that wasn't it.

1012
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: I'm totally lying. There were millions of interviews false advertisement. Yes, no,

1013
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: there were lots of interviews and things after, but it

1014
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: was that one twenty minute boot camp that I taught

1015
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: that was the audition.

1016
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 2: Amazing. And so talk to me about where you were

1017
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 2: when you found out that you got the job.

1018
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: So it was, oh man, where did okay? Well, I

1019
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: got the actual the official offer at the Peloton Cycling

1020
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: Studio by the CEO, and I felt good going into

1021
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: it because this was like the final I had already

1022
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: met with him one other time, and so the fact

1023
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: that I was meeting with him again, I was like okay.

1024
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: And I knew that he was handing out the contracts

1025
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: and so I was like, Okay, this is good, this

1026
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 1: is good. This is good news, I think. And so

1027
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: I got like a brand new lou Lemon outfit and

1028
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: like went over there and I was like so excited,

1029
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: and I got down to the basement offices and yeah,

1030
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: they offered me the job. And it was the most

1031
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: exhilarating thing. And I guess the other thing too, which

1032
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 1: is worthwhile of noting. So I auditioned in July, end

1033
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: of July, I want to say. And then I turned

1034
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: thirty August fifth, and so that weekend I went out

1035
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: to the Hampton's and I just had I journaled and

1036
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: I actually reread the pages. I wrote like five or

1037
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: six pages on my thirtieth birthday and I just wrote

1038
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: and it was really cool to see now two years later,

1039
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: how happy, not even just happy, but how centered I

1040
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: was at that time in my life. I felt very

1041
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: confident in who I was and what I wanted to

1042
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: offer and what my skill sets were and where I

1043
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: wanted to go. And I really think it's because of

1044
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 1: that timing that I got the job. I really don't

1045
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: know if I auditioned the year before when I had

1046
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: the original meeting with Rebecca, I don't know if I

1047
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: would have gotten it. So I think that that's like

1048
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 1: a really cool thing that looking back, I'm really proud

1049
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: of myself for being self aware enough to know justs,

1050
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: this is not your time. It's not to say that

1051
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: this will never be your time, but it is not

1052
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: your time right now. Keep doing what you're doing and

1053
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: then reassess.

1054
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 2: And I think that can be hard for a lot

1055
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 2: of individuals, just this idea that sometimes the timing might

1056
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 2: not be right, but that doesn't mean that an opportunity

1057
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 2: can't come back around or you could run at it

1058
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 2: at another time. It's up to us to have that

1059
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 2: persistence and to go back at things that maybe at

1060
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 2: one point or another, just like this opportunity for you

1061
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 2: wasn't the perfect fit.

1062
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, that's perfectly said.

1063
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 2: And like you know it in your gut right, like

1064
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 2: you knew it in your gut that you were ready then,

1065
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 2: and you weren't ready before. So it's almost like would

1066
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 2: have been doing yourself a disservice even if they offered

1067
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 2: you the opportunity beforehand, Like you would have been doing

1068
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 2: yourself a diservice because you weren't. You weren't ready. But

1069
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 2: I see, I hear myself saying that, and then I'm like,

1070
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 2: but sometimes the best things happen when you're not ready yet.

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00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 1: True. But here's the thing. Even when I auditioned, I

1072
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: wasn't really ready. I wasn't really running a ton still,

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00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: so I wasn't completely I wasn't completely ready. But I

1074
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: need to think about this, how the exageration, because the

1075
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: meetings that I had, because I believe exactly what you're saying.

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00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 1: It's there's never a good time like that you should

1077
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: just jump and dive in. But I knew in my

1078
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: heart and soul in that first conversation with Rebecco, I

1079
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: was like, this opportunity sounds amazing, but it's not for

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00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: me right now. This is so so cool. Wow, oh

1081
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: my gosh, they do this, this, this and this and

1082
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: this is your schedule and this is your that this

1083
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: is not for me right now. I just I just

1084
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 1: had that gut feeling and it wasn't that it wasn't

1085
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: that I wasn't ready in the sense where I couldn't

1086
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: do it, but it wasn't the best time for me.

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00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 2: I hear you. I hear you totally. And this sounds

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00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 2: actually quite similar to a situation I dealt with last

1089
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 2: week where I had the opportunity to move into a

1090
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 2: dream duplex in Brooklyn with the backyard, and I knew

1091
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 2: that I wasn't in the right place yet. I'm moving

1092
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 2: into a two bedroom hopefully next year, because I want

1093
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 2: to be able to use it for my business and

1094
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 2: I want to have guests over, and I want to

1095
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 2: make it my recording studio in my office in the

1096
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 2: whole shebange. But right now I don't need that. So

1097
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 2: for me to go despite how unbelievable the opportunity was,

1098
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 2: and the fact that you could literally park five vehicles

1099
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 2: in the backyard like sounded great, but it's just not

1100
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 2: the time. It's just not the time.

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00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: It's just not the time, and you have to trust yourself,

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00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: Like I could have persuaded myself to go through with

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00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: the audition, but it just wasn't the time for me,

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00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: and I think that that second year at those studios,

1105
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: I was able to do so many things to set

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00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: myself up for success. At Pelton. I was able to

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00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: really discover my teaching personality because you know, of course,

1108
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: like when you're on a microphone, your personality is the same,

1109
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: but it's amplified in some ways. I was really able

1110
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: to hone in on the queuing that I was giving.

1111
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: So now as a Pelton instructor, when I don't have

1112
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: any people in the classroom, it's so funny. Some of

1113
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: the best feedback that I get from our members is

1114
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: when they say, how did you know that I wasn't

1115
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: hinging my hips pushing my hips back in my deadlift

1116
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: at that exact moment. And I'm like, well, one, because

1117
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: I taught boutique fitness and I saw that constantly. So

1118
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: there's that experience. And then also now at pelt Out,

1119
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: this is the blessing in the curse. I'm doing the

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Speaker 1: work out with you. So when I say these cues

1121
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: and these motivational things out loud, they're not written down,

1122
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: they're not rehearsed, they're not practice. It's what I also

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00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: need in that moment.

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00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 2: So when did you officially start there?

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Speaker 1: So I started write after Labor Day. I started a

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00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: Pelton September tenth for training, and then I had my

1127
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: first class right after the New York City Marathon, so

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Speaker 1: like the first week of November.

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Speaker 2: So you're coming up on two years. Then, Yeah, a

1130
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 2: little celebration is in store.

1131
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: It's so cool because there's like double celebration. It's like

1132
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: celebrating when I got the job. I think it was

1133
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: September tenth, and then when I started teaching classes, So it's.

1134
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 2: Double amazing amazing. Okay, So what would you say in

1135
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 2: that first two year period? Has been one of the

1136
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 2: biggest lessons that you've learned as an instructor.

1137
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: Be yourself. Be yourself, especially in fitness, but really in

1138
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: any industry, there's a lot of comparison, and there's a

1139
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: lot of Oh, what are the really successful people doing,

1140
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: and how do I be more like them? I'll never forget.

1141
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: When I went in for the audition at Pelton, I

1142
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: ran into Dennis Morton, who teaches cycling and yoga at Pelton,

1143
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: and he said to me, he has never worked at

1144
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: a place that has asked him to be more of

1145
00:59:55,320 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: himself more Dennis Morton than ever before, and when he

1146
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: said it to me, I was like, wow, that sounds

1147
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: really cool. But then in the first year learning, yes,

1148
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: of course you need to brush up on your queuing

1149
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: and make sure that that's good and your timing and

1150
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: look at the cameras, this and that. But you have

1151
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: to stay true to yourself because that is what is

1152
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: that makes you most relatable and that makes you the

1153
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: most welcoming to people. Are when you are yourself unapologetically,

1154
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: you are inviting other people to be unapologetically themselves. And

1155
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: I think that that's the ultimate lesson that I have

1156
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: learned so far at Pelton.

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01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 2: For sure, when you look back on the interactions that

1158
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 2: you've had with your members, what would you say one

1159
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 2: of the greatest lessons has been from that over the

1160
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 2: past two years.

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Speaker 1: I would say the biggest lesson is that sweating is

1162
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: so much more than a workout. What we do at

1163
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: Peloton is so much more than a workout. I will

1164
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: leave the quote unquote stage to go downstairs to the

1165
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: locker room and be down on myself because you know,

1166
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: I mess up, I skipped something, or I did this,

1167
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: I did that, and I beat myself up and then

1168
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: I pick up my phone, or if this is a

1169
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: class where there are a lot of people in there,

1170
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: I go and talk to them after. But then someone

1171
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: will say to me, Jess, that was the best class

1172
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: I've ever taken. I am recovering from, you know, so

1173
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: many rounds of chemo. My partner just lost his job,

1174
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: my child is experiencing bullying. I just had a baby,

1175
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: and I've really lost myself, and that workout helped me

1176
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: find myself. And that, Emily is like, that is why

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01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: I do what I do, because it is so much

1178
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: more than a workout. What we do on the bike

1179
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: the tread than that transcends fitness. It's mental practice for

1180
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: doing hard things. It's reminding yourself. I can't half asked

1181
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: this last push up because Jess says, how you do

1182
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: anything is how you do everything. So if I have

1183
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:01,919
Speaker 1: asked this push up, that means I'm going to half

1184
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: ask helping my kid with his homework tonight, and that's

1185
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:05,919
Speaker 1: not the kind of parent that I want to show

1186
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: up to be. So just really, really understanding that what

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01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 1: we do is so much more than fitness has been

1188
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: the ultimate.

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01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 2: Lesson we mentioned being alone, traveling solo, spending time just

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01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 2: with ourselves. I think that's something that a lot of

1191
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 2: us have been exposed to, more so during this pandemic,

1192
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 2: but something still that many struggle with. So for someone

1193
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 2: that comes to you, and I know that they do

1194
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 2: because they come to me too, someone that comes to

1195
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 2: you and they say, how are you so good at

1196
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 2: being by yourself? What is it that you tell them?

1197
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 2: And do you offer them any advice?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think that Why am I so good? Because

1199
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: I practice? This is why I used to not like

1200
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: running is because I was like, that's so boring, just

1201
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: being alone with my own thoughts for thirty minutes, what like,

1202
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: no TV, no music, no distraction, no stopping, just running straight.

1203
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: That's too much time to be alone with my own thoughts.

1204
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: And then I also didn't like running because there's also

1205
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: more of a punishment as an athlete growing up, you know,

1206
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 1: you relate to practice, you lost, you ran, And so

1207
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 1: I've had to teach myself that, first of all, running

1208
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: is a beautiful time to be with yourself and really

1209
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,959
Speaker 1: really important actually, And that has translated into other parts

1210
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: of my life, and I've realized that in order to

1211
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 1: be a better partner, in order to be a better friend.

1212
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 1: In order to be a better dog mom, I have

1213
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: to not escape by realities. I have to stop running

1214
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: from things that make me uncomfortable or stop running from

1215
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: things that worry me. I need to create some space

1216
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 1: to tackle those things, because if not, I'm just delaying

1217
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: the inevitable. And so I think with quarantine specifically, it's

1218
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: so funny that you bring this up when people ask me,

1219
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: like the first two months, even now, when people are like,

1220
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: how are you dealing with the quarantine? I know you

1221
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,080
Speaker 1: live by yourself. I'm like, yo, this is my My

1222
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: life is not much different than before. I spend a

1223
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: lot of a loan time, and I love my apartment

1224
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: and I love my dog. And so I think that

1225
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: what I would encourage people to do is stop looking

1226
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: for distractions and catch yourself when you're wanting get distraction.

1227
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 1: I've had some great conversations with some friends that love

1228
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: a good distraction, and they've distracted themselves with meeting friends

1229
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:25,919
Speaker 1: to go shopping, or meeting friends to grab a drink,

1230
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: or doing something that completely disrupts what their mind is

1231
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: trying to have them do. And I just say, like,

1232
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,439
Speaker 1: stop delaying the inevitable. Tackle it. Break it up into

1233
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 1: small chunks if you need to. If there's like a big,

1234
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: massive thing that's weighing on you, don't think all you're

1235
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 1: going to take it down one day, break it up

1236
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: into smaller chunks and see what you can do. But

1237
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 1: do it, even if it's for an hour a day

1238
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: where you sit down with that pen and paper and

1239
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 1: you start breaking it down. Do it because it's going

1240
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 1: to catch up to you. It's going to You might

1241
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: think that you've mastered it or gotten away from it

1242
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: in one area in your life, but guess what. It's

1243
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 1: going to sneak up and be like, guess what, I'm

1244
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: still here, So you got to tackle it.

1245
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 2: I was literally having a conversation with a friend of

1246
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 2: mine last night who was saying that he was also

1247
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 2: struggling with the whole productivity situation, and I said to

1248
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 2: him that often when I feel like I'm not being productive,

1249
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 2: it's because I'm not getting to a place where I'm

1250
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 2: allowing myself to deal with the other shit that's blocking

1251
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 2: me from getting to what I have to do. So

1252
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 2: if I'm like not processing a tough conversation that I

1253
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 2: had with my friend and I'm trying to do busy

1254
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 2: work like that busy work isn't really going to do

1255
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 2: much for me, and I probably won't get all that

1256
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 2: much of it done because I'm still in the back

1257
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 2: of my heart, in the back of my head, not

1258
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 2: tackling the really big elephant in the room to enable

1259
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 2: me to be productive.

1260
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, like what if that's exactly the beauty of

1261
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: this quarantine time? And then we cannot take this time

1262
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: for granted and wish it to be over because there's

1263
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 1: so much time to grow here. We are so conditioned

1264
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 1: to be so productive and do this, do that, and

1265
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: human beings. We're human beings, We're not human doings. And

1266
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: so we have to take a step back and question

1267
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 1: all those quote unquote normal things that we were doing.

1268
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: Of defining being super productive every day as normal, maybe

1269
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: that's not normal. Maybe that was the normal that you

1270
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: had before, and that was running you into the ground

1271
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: and forcing you to run away from the things that

1272
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: you've needed to dive deeper into. Think about that we

1273
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: are supposed to be. We are not supposed to be

1274
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 1: doing doing, doing doing. We need to be Yeah, when

1275
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: you're just being, you're allowing yourself to work through things

1276
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 1: that will eventually allow you to do things better.

1277
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 2: Right now, when people go to your social media page,

1278
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 2: they see a peloton tread instructor. They see a woman

1279
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 2: who they might ask themselves, what is her race? I

1280
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 2: wonder what she is? They might see your great dog. Yes,

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Speaker 2: when you look in the mirror, what is it that

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Speaker 2: you see looking back at you?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Can I tell you? I struggle looking in the mirror.

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Speaker 1: I really do. I really struggle because I pick myself apart.

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Speaker 1: I am learning to greet myself with the same compassion

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Speaker 1: that I give to others, because that is one of

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Speaker 1: my number one qualities, is that I'm very compassionate. I

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Speaker 1: really feel for people, and I understand that the stories.

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Speaker 1: There's so much behind your story. And so I think

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Speaker 1: that when I look in the mirror now, I see

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Speaker 1: someone who is doing her best, someone who is still

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Speaker 1: definitely a work in progress, but still someone who she

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Speaker 1: loves very much.

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Speaker 2: So so many people are looking to you constantly for guidance.

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Speaker 2: You're this woman that's constantly working on herself. You think

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Speaker 2: about right now, reflecting over this time where you're giving

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Speaker 2: and giving and giving. But how is it that you

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Speaker 2: give back to you?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Ha, that's something that's tough, but it's something that

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Speaker 1: I do prioritize. I am very social and very outgoing,

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Speaker 1: but I also know that my energy is finite, so

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Speaker 1: I spend a lot of time alone, which sounds sad,

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Speaker 1: but I actually really thrive off of it. I have

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Speaker 1: a sassy dog that is my companion that makes me

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Speaker 1: less alone, but I really allow myself to decompress and

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Speaker 1: fill up my own cups so that I can continue

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Speaker 1: pouring into others. And so that might look that looks different,

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Speaker 1: you know, that could be having a great conversation with

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Speaker 1: a loved one, That could be I love food, so

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Speaker 1: food is always something that I allow myself to indulge in.

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Speaker 1: So a home cooked, great meal, going out to dinner,

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Speaker 1: different things that allow me to not have to put

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Speaker 1: on a face and have real authentic conversation is something

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Speaker 1: that is definitely really important to me to help me

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Speaker 1: kind of feel reinvigorated, and time away helps me make

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Speaker 1: more of the time that I have with.

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Speaker 2: Something that I think is really valuable. From what you

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Speaker 2: bring to the table is obviously so much motivation to

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Speaker 2: not just the Peloton community, but then of course the

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Speaker 2: people that are running into you on the social media channels.

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Speaker 2: Where are you finding your motivation from to show up

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Speaker 2: day in, day out.

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Speaker 1: My motivation comes from our members, for sure. It's we

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Speaker 1: are really big on milestones at Peloton, So we celebrate

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Speaker 1: you know, your fiftieth class, all the way up to

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Speaker 1: however many classes you take. I think in my class

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Speaker 1: this morning, someone's celebrated their eleven hundredth strength and so yeah.

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Speaker 1: So when like, no, lie, whenever I'm feeling like, oh,

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Speaker 1: like I'm tired or this and that, I pick up

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Speaker 1: my phone, I look at my DMS and there's someone

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Speaker 1: that is just so looking forward to this class. Because

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Speaker 1: if you think about it, I have no idea what

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Speaker 1: everyone else is going through. I think that's another huge

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Speaker 1: thing that not Pelton has taught me because I knew

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Speaker 1: this before, but it's definitely reinforced in a new and

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Speaker 1: special way. You don't know what other people are going through.

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Speaker 1: So the thirty minutes that they have chosen, that's the

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Speaker 1: other thing too, it's a choice. They don't have to

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Speaker 1: take my class. They want to. They get to those

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Speaker 1: thirty minutes that they are taking for themselves. It needs

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Speaker 1: to be a really great thirty minute class. It needs

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Speaker 1: to be a really great forty five minute class, whatever

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Speaker 1: that class is. Someone is showing up and that could

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Speaker 1: be their only bright spot in their day or their week,

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Speaker 1: and so I take that responsibility very seriously. And that's

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Speaker 1: all the motivation I need. I could be having such

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Speaker 1: a tough day myself, but I think about that, and

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Speaker 1: I think about how good I will feel because working

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Speaker 1: out again is something that helps me in every way

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Speaker 1: of my life. Yeah, those two things are just members

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Speaker 1: alone is what motivates me.

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Speaker 2: You, my friend, have an opportunity right now to offer

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Speaker 2: the Jess who is coming to terms with the fact

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Speaker 2: that she's not exactly all that happy with her career

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Speaker 2: path a piece of advice. Looking back on that hurdle moment. Now,

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Speaker 2: what do you tell her?

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Speaker 1: I tell her to really do some reflection, Grab a

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Speaker 1: piece of paper, grab that notebook and pen, and write

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Speaker 1: down what makes you tick, what makes you happy, what

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Speaker 1: makes what is something that you would do if money

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Speaker 1: was not an issue, something that you would do for

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Speaker 1: free that just invigorates you, and do that. It might

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Speaker 1: not be exactly what you want and that moment or

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Speaker 1: in ten years, but it's something that is going to

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Speaker 1: put you onto a path towards what you want, So

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Speaker 1: don't be afraid of that. Do the reflection, figure out

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Speaker 1: your why, figure out what makes you tick, and then

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Speaker 1: don't do what you should do, do what you must do.

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Speaker 1: I think that was another thing that really helped me

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Speaker 1: as I read that book, The crossroads between should and must,

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Speaker 1: and our lives are full of shoulds. You should do this,

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Speaker 1: you should look like that, you should try this, you

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Speaker 1: should do that. And it's not about the shows. It's

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Speaker 1: about what is your calling? What is it that you

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Speaker 1: must do and do it?

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being just so rad.

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Speaker 1: Oh I love you.

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Speaker 2: I wish everyone said that to me when we were

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Speaker 2: done recording.

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Speaker 1: They should, honestly, they really should.

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Speaker 2: Please take a quick moment and leave a review by

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Speaker 2: clicking the link with the description to this episode. We

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Speaker 2: all face multiple hurdles in life. I want to hear

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Speaker 2: about yours. Reach out to me at Emily at Hurdle

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Speaker 2: dot us. Connect with the podcast on Instagram and Twitter

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Speaker 2: at Hurdle Podcast. Jess, how do they keep up with you?

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Speaker 2: How do they stay in the loop? Give me the details?

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Speaker 1: Well, please pick my classes on Peloton. My name is

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Speaker 1: Jess Sims, and then also follow me on Instagram at

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Speaker 1: Jasim's Fit. You can get workout stuff, you can laugh

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Speaker 1: because I post a lot of funny things, and then

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Speaker 1: you get to see the cuteness of my sassy dog daughter.

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Speaker 2: I am so grateful for you. Thank you, so so

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Speaker 2: so much.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Emily. I really appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: I am at Emily Body at Hurdle Podcast, Another hurdle conquered.

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Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time.