WEBVTT - The Ghost Army

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Steph you missed in History class from how

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Colly Frying and I'm trace Abe Wilson. And today

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna talk a little bit about military history, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's World War two specifically. And even though this particular piece,

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<v Speaker 1>uh that we're discussing is in fact military history, if

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<v Speaker 1>there were a history of ingenuity or sleight of hand,

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<v Speaker 1>I think this would probably be one of the big

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<v Speaker 1>events on that timeline. Uh So we're gonna be talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the US Ghost Army, which was a top secret

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<v Speaker 1>group that was assembled to create confusion and mislead access forces.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a really amazing story that stars ingenuity and

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<v Speaker 1>bravado as sort of the the main elements of the piece.

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<v Speaker 1>And the idea of military deception was of course not

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<v Speaker 1>new to World War Two. Everyone has heard of like

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<v Speaker 1>the Trojan Horse for example, and deceit is a tactic

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<v Speaker 1>as part of Sun SU's art of war. Almost any

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<v Speaker 1>culture in history that found itself at war with another

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<v Speaker 1>culture use some type of trickery to try to outsmart

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<v Speaker 1>the enemy, because that's sort of a vital part of

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<v Speaker 1>getting the upper hand in a conflict is misleading so

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<v Speaker 1>that you can kind of swoop in with your forces.

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<v Speaker 1>But this group really went to some pretty extraordinary measures

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<v Speaker 1>to achieve their goals, and they did some really fascinating

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<v Speaker 1>and cool things, uh and so, and it was classified

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time and then kind of came to light.

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<v Speaker 1>So we are going to talk about it today because

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<v Speaker 1>it is really cool. So to start out at the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning like we normally do that. Twenty third Headquarters Special

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<v Speaker 1>Troops was the one and only deception outfit that the

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<v Speaker 1>US Army had ever authorized. The goal was to corral

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<v Speaker 1>a group of creative thinkers to approach warfare in new ways.

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<v Speaker 1>And this sort of trickery focused effort was inspired by

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<v Speaker 1>the success of Operation Bertram, in which Allied forces used

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<v Speaker 1>dummy tanks and camouflage to trick Romwel's for which is

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<v Speaker 1>into an incorrect assessment of the Allies position and strength

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<v Speaker 1>during the Second Battle of l A l Amain in

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<v Speaker 1>North Africa. And also bolstering this case for a deception

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<v Speaker 1>unit was the U S success in misleading German intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>leading up to the Battle of Tunisia. They realized deception

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<v Speaker 1>was working and they thought, let's just have a unit

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<v Speaker 1>that's focused on this. The idea of forming a unit

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated just to this is attributed to Captain Ralph Ingersoll.

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<v Speaker 1>Before the war, he had been a celebrity journalist and

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<v Speaker 1>he had been working with Great Britain on deception techniques

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<v Speaker 1>to mislead the Germans in the time leading up the

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<v Speaker 1>D Day. On Christmas Eve of ninety three, a memo

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<v Speaker 1>to the Assistant Chief of Staff for Operations War Department

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<v Speaker 1>at Washington, d C officially requested the creation of a

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<v Speaker 1>unit with a mission quote to simulate a core of

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<v Speaker 1>two infantry divisions and one armored divisions and core installations

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<v Speaker 1>railhead dumps, etcetera. So, beginning in nineteen forty or more

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<v Speaker 1>than one thousand young men were recruited and they were

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<v Speaker 1>often recent art school graduates or ad agency creatives and

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<v Speaker 1>they were handpicked for this assignment. Recruits were sent to

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<v Speaker 1>Camp Forest and Tellahoma, Tennessee to train. Within the three

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<v Speaker 1>were several companies. The two four Signal Company worked on

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<v Speaker 1>radio counter intelligence. Second Signal Service Company, which was actually

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<v Speaker 1>trained at Pine Camp, New York, worked to develop sonic

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<v Speaker 1>deception techniques. The four of six Engineer Combat Company worked

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<v Speaker 1>on the big construction projects and was in charge of security.

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<v Speaker 1>And often you'll hear this effort mentioned, like when people say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>the Ghost Army they used inflatable tanks to deceive the Germans,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is partially true, but as we mentioned in

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<v Speaker 1>breaking down these different companies within the twenty three, it

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<v Speaker 1>was a whole lot more than that. Yeah, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like the tanks get the big like kind of bud

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<v Speaker 1>speedy headlines all time, which is understand Well, there's really

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<v Speaker 1>cool video that exists, like where you can see them

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<v Speaker 1>rolling over these inflated tanks and there. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>that I have ever heard any of the audio recordings,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't think I've ever seen anyone reference them online.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can see where the tanks get all the attention.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was not all there was. For instance, audio work,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes referred to as sonic deception, was a huge piece

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<v Speaker 1>of the Ghost Army puzzle. Yeah, they would mount these

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<v Speaker 1>huge speakers to project elaborate soundscapes and radio plays that

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<v Speaker 1>were created by the Second Signal Service Company. And these

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<v Speaker 1>men had recorded tanks and trucks and artillery units and

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<v Speaker 1>they sound engineered them into a number of different soundtracks

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<v Speaker 1>and these recordings would include sounds of tanks on the

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<v Speaker 1>move or military construction, and they would even have things

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<v Speaker 1>like vehicle sputtering. And they basically amassed this really amazing

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<v Speaker 1>sound catalog basically every military vehicle that they had access to,

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<v Speaker 1>doing everything those miss jeans could do, so they could

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<v Speaker 1>kind of piece them together and create unique and specific

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<v Speaker 1>radio dramas. Basically, so if you wanted to broadcast a

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<v Speaker 1>battalion of vehicles starting up in the distance and moving closer,

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<v Speaker 1>they could create that with their vast library of recordings,

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<v Speaker 1>complete with idiosyncratic engine noises for specific vehicles and kind

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<v Speaker 1>of mimic that distance too slowly moving forward nearness that

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<v Speaker 1>you would hear if you were in one position with

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<v Speaker 1>an actual troop going by. I like to imagine this

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<v Speaker 1>as an extremely high tech version of following King Arthur

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<v Speaker 1>around banging coconuts together. But it was very high tech

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<v Speaker 1>even for the time. I mean, they were really kind

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<v Speaker 1>of on the advanced edge of technology and how they

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<v Speaker 1>were using sound. Yeah. Well, and it's like these that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of sound work happens in movies and TV and

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<v Speaker 1>things like that all the time. Now, Like that's yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just sort of how it works, so this is

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<v Speaker 1>a different use for that. In addition to the three

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<v Speaker 1>companies created with new recruits, another company was looped into

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty third Headquarters Special Troops, and that was the

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<v Speaker 1>sixth h third Engineer Camouflage Battalion. The men of the

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<v Speaker 1>six h third had been working on camouflage for a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years already, so they brought their expertise to

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<v Speaker 1>a group already in a fairly polished state. They had

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<v Speaker 1>already managed an impressive accomplishment that by disguising the plant

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<v Speaker 1>in Baltimore where B twenty six bombers were assembled, and

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<v Speaker 1>the event that access forces wished to look for the plant,

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<v Speaker 1>what they would see when they flew over was just

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<v Speaker 1>a regular rural area. And before we get to how

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty third trained and then made their way to Europe. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to pause for a moment for a

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<v Speaker 1>word from a sponsor, Yes, I do so. During the

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<v Speaker 1>spring of n the men of the twenty third were training,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were training in skills that seemed in many

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<v Speaker 1>ways more appropriate for a touring theater company than for

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<v Speaker 1>a group of soldiers. So they built prototype prop vehicles,

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<v Speaker 1>first out of wood and burlap and then out of rubber.

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<v Speaker 1>The rubber versions looked incredibly realistic, but they weighed less

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<v Speaker 1>than a hundred pounds apiece. The men would also train

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<v Speaker 1>with dummy artillery and other prop equipment. They practiced sending

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<v Speaker 1>each other fake radio messages, and they learned just enough

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<v Speaker 1>about other different outfits that they could impersonate them, either

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<v Speaker 1>as individuals or as a group, and men who couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>so had to learn because they were going to have

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<v Speaker 1>to quickly alter their uniforms and switch out patches as

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<v Speaker 1>they sort of performed these presto changeo masquerades. In May,

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<v Speaker 1>the majority of the twenty three boarded the U S. S.

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<v Speaker 1>Henry Gibbons in New York, bound for Great Britain. They

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<v Speaker 1>spent about a month near Stratford on Avon while they trained,

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<v Speaker 1>although by all accounts there was also quite a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of partying. Yeah, this sounds like really a lovely time

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<v Speaker 1>that they had while they were in Britain. Uh. But

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<v Speaker 1>the first wave of men from the twenty third shipped

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<v Speaker 1>out to France just following DD and this was a

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<v Speaker 1>small platoon. It was just fifteen men, and they landed

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<v Speaker 1>at oma Omaha Beach on June fourteenth, so just out

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<v Speaker 1>a week a little more uh, and nurses actually flew

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<v Speaker 1>with them so that they could tend to the wounded

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<v Speaker 1>that we're waiting there on the beach. Going from a

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<v Speaker 1>month in the idyllic British countryside having what was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a party esque atmosphere into the reality of war

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<v Speaker 1>in France was of course something of a shock. Knowing

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<v Speaker 1>that they were there to draw fire. Some of the

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<v Speaker 1>men thought that the twenty three was really a suicide outfit. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>They they had been trained in different sort of arts

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<v Speaker 1>and uh deceptions, but not so much in actual combat,

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<v Speaker 1>so they really did. Some of them really did think

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<v Speaker 1>at that point like, oh, they're just sending us there

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<v Speaker 1>to die and take the heat off the real soldiers.

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<v Speaker 1>But over the course of the next two months, the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the twenty three joined their fellows in France,

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<v Speaker 1>leading up to their first big mission, which was Operation Elephant.

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<v Speaker 1>About half of the men in the unit were involved

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<v Speaker 1>in Operation Elephant, during which they pretended to be the

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<v Speaker 1>Army's Second Armored Division. The real Second Armored Division was

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<v Speaker 1>on the move while the twenty three kept up the appearances. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's sort of a theme of their their missions

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<v Speaker 1>throughout and while this sham did indeed work, nearby German

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<v Speaker 1>troops held their position rather than following the real second

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<v Speaker 1>Armored Division because they did believe they were still there.

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<v Speaker 1>This was also a pretty big learning experience. During this

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<v Speaker 1>particular operation, it was revealed that if the inflatable tanks

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<v Speaker 1>that they three used lost even a small amount of air,

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<v Speaker 1>the cannons would droop and give it the whole thing away.

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<v Speaker 1>They really there are some paintings that you can find

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<v Speaker 1>online and in documentaries where you see sort of this

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<v Speaker 1>droopy cannon barrel, and it really does look comical. It's

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<v Speaker 1>an inherently comical image. Yeah, their tanks are not made

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<v Speaker 1>to fire into the ground, so it looked very, very silly.

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<v Speaker 1>And while they were not discovering their theatrics during Operation Elephant,

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<v Speaker 1>it also became apparent that setting up an entire false

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<v Speaker 1>division was going to be better executed in the dark

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<v Speaker 1>of night. They had not waited until really late. They

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<v Speaker 1>used some daylight hours to do it, and they also

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<v Speaker 1>realized that they really needed to like tighten up their

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<v Speaker 1>disguise and camouflage game if they wanted to ensure future success.

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<v Speaker 1>The entire twenty three was then tasked with Operation Breast,

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<v Speaker 1>which was named for the nearby French ports city that

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<v Speaker 1>was in August. The Sonic unit was the last to

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<v Speaker 1>arrive in France, so Breast was the first time that

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty three had their full arsenal of tricks at

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<v Speaker 1>their disposal, and the goal was to create the impression

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<v Speaker 1>of an existing tank unit having far greater power than

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<v Speaker 1>it actually did, with the hopes that they would trick

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<v Speaker 1>the Germans into a surrender. And so the twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>used a mix of actual tanks and dummies, flash canisters

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<v Speaker 1>to sort of fake tanks firing, and sound mixing to

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<v Speaker 1>create this really convincing illusion of a huge tank division.

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<v Speaker 1>And the main bravado move of this mission came in

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<v Speaker 1>the delivery of some of these soundscapes that they had mixed.

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<v Speaker 1>So late at night, members of the twenty three would

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<v Speaker 1>actually sort of creep forward with their sound equipment. They

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<v Speaker 1>would get within about five yards in the enemy line,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would play sounds of what sounded like officers

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<v Speaker 1>issuing orders and people yelling counter orders, and even like

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<v Speaker 1>fake situations of arguments where there would be accidents that

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<v Speaker 1>were staged and that there would be cursing at these

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<v Speaker 1>imaginary errors. They were all doing this really pretty close

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<v Speaker 1>to enemy lines. Uh. It was pretty to think about

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<v Speaker 1>what that must have been like, sitting there in the

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<v Speaker 1>dark with your speaker playing these things, knowing how very

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<v Speaker 1>close you were. It's so bring to think about. It

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<v Speaker 1>was effective, so effective that it confused friend the units

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<v Speaker 1>positioned about a mile away. And while it didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>the Germans under General Herman B. Von Ramkat to turn tail,

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<v Speaker 1>it did keep them from going anywhere. This was a

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<v Speaker 1>good thing, since that was an estimated thirty eight thousand troops,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was almost double what the Allies had initially estimated.

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<v Speaker 1>If they had not been tricked into holding their line

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<v Speaker 1>against this perceived threat from this puffed up, half fake

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<v Speaker 1>tank battalion, they might have gone on the offensive and

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<v Speaker 1>then really damaged the Allied forces. And throughout the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of four and on into the twenty three, continued to

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<v Speaker 1>run these military masquerade games, and with every mission they

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<v Speaker 1>would kind of regroup and refine their playbook and see

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<v Speaker 1>what had worked and what hand and they just got

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<v Speaker 1>better and better and better. They learned how to stage

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<v Speaker 1>and set dress their fake camps. More and more authentically.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say, I feel like I said that weird.

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<v Speaker 1>They learned how to stage and set dress their fake

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<v Speaker 1>camps more and more authentically, and they started hand painting

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<v Speaker 1>patches to mimic those of existing units, so they if

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<v Speaker 1>they can get a hold of real ones, then they

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<v Speaker 1>would stage fake headquarters to give out fake promotions so

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<v Speaker 1>low ranking men would look like generals and other officers,

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<v Speaker 1>creating the full illusion of real operations. And then late

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<v Speaker 1>at night they would you know, go where they were

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<v Speaker 1>called and inflate their fox vehicles and artillery undercover of darkness,

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<v Speaker 1>so that when dawn came, it would appear as though

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<v Speaker 1>a huge surge of troops had arrived in the area.

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<v Speaker 1>And in addition to providing this false image of battle

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<v Speaker 1>ready army troops where there was really only a line

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<v Speaker 1>of fake vehicles and prerecorded noise, the twenty Third's ability

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<v Speaker 1>to seem to appear out of thin air and vanish

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<v Speaker 1>just as quickly actually had a really unnerving effect on

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<v Speaker 1>the enemy, so the German Army started calling them the

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<v Speaker 1>phantom Army. Other tricks included the ongoing burning of fires

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<v Speaker 1>at camps that were deserted in different ways to create

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<v Speaker 1>fake tank tracks. In addition to the inflatable tanks and trucks,

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<v Speaker 1>they also used dummy planes and buildings. They could mix

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<v Speaker 1>fake radio transmissions within with the real ones to confuse

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<v Speaker 1>the enemy, and they mounted fake parachute drops and put

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<v Speaker 1>up signs directing Allied vehicles that were never actually coming.

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<v Speaker 1>But this elaborate spectacle also included a whole lot of

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<v Speaker 1>acting on the part of the troops. So knowing that

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<v Speaker 1>any US troops were always being watched by German soldiers

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<v Speaker 1>or spies, or sometimes there were French people working for

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<v Speaker 1>the Germans as informants, the boys of the twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>would really employ all manner of ruses. They would change

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<v Speaker 1>out their unit insignias as we mentioned, on uniforms as

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<v Speaker 1>well as on vehicles. They would do quick stencil work

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<v Speaker 1>to change everything up, and they would make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>they were seen about town wherever they were kind of

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<v Speaker 1>drinking and hanging out. And if they were asked what

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<v Speaker 1>unit they were a part of, they would just make

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<v Speaker 1>up names or reference the unit that they were covering for.

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<v Speaker 1>And some of them even would uh sort of mount

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<v Speaker 1>these these fake little tableau where they would feign drunkenness

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<v Speaker 1>and blab false information in public places. So this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of became this ongoing game of misinformation and subterfuge where

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<v Speaker 1>they were just sort of always acting. This wasn't completely flawless,

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<v Speaker 1>though sometimes there were mistakes and problems. On occasion, a

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<v Speaker 1>dummy tank would be inflated facing the wrong direction. Because

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<v Speaker 1>all of these set up parts are being done at night,

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<v Speaker 1>it was easy enough to lift one and turn it around,

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<v Speaker 1>but if it was already daylight when they realized the problem,

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<v Speaker 1>they were going to have to do it with really

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<v Speaker 1>careful timings so as not to be noticed. At one point,

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<v Speaker 1>several vehicles that had been inflated in the night were

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<v Speaker 1>warmed so much the sun came up that the air

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<v Speaker 1>expanding inside them caused them to pop loudly as they

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<v Speaker 1>sprang leaks. And while while this sort of sounds hilarious,

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<v Speaker 1>it was happening during a war. So all of these

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<v Speaker 1>accidents put the men involved at serious risk. And all

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<v Speaker 1>in all, there were twenty one missions mounted by the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three and before we get to sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest one that they undertook, uh, if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>do a quick word from a sponsor, let's do so.

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<v Speaker 1>The biggest in what is arguably the most successful of

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty third missions was Operation Vierson, and this took

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<v Speaker 1>place near the war's end, relatively speaking, it wasn't right

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<v Speaker 1>at the end, but it was in March, and this

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<v Speaker 1>basically launched a big visible decoy mission to once again

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<v Speaker 1>cover the movements of other troops. While parts of the

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<v Speaker 1>Ninth Army were moving north to quietly cross the Rhine,

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty three was making a big show of pretending

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<v Speaker 1>to be those troops farther south. They masqueraded as the

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<v Speaker 1>ninth and ran practice and training maneuvers for a crossing

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<v Speaker 1>at Beierson and just publicly enough to draw lots of attention.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was really a massive effort. So they set

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<v Speaker 1>up fake medical and engineering facilities. They had trucks and

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<v Speaker 1>sonic crews creating the illusion of convoys moving supplies. At

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<v Speaker 1>one point they were just having trucks loaded up where

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<v Speaker 1>they would be driving them back and forth, and they

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<v Speaker 1>would put two guys at the very back, so it

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<v Speaker 1>looked like it was full of troops, but in fact

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<v Speaker 1>there are only two guys at the back. They arranged

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<v Speaker 1>everything perfectly so that an aerial reconnaissance taking pictures would

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea that the entire thing was a hoax.

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<v Speaker 1>They one of the reasons that they used artists was

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<v Speaker 1>so they could conceptually visualize, like how things would look

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<v Speaker 1>from multiple angles, even when they didn't have those angles

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<v Speaker 1>available to them, So they really made this whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>beautifully realistic, even though it wasn't back to all a hoax.

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<v Speaker 1>When the real Ninth crossed the rhyme, the Germans were

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<v Speaker 1>taken totally by surprise. Those German troops that could resist

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<v Speaker 1>them were disorganized and unprepared, so US casualties were very few.

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<v Speaker 1>The twenty three received a commendation from the Ninth Army

0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:57.679
<v Speaker 1>Commander William Simpson for their effort. A later estimate by

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<v Speaker 1>Simpson placed the number of troops that were saved by

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<v Speaker 1>this deception at ten thousands UH and it ended up

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<v Speaker 1>being the twenty last mission of the war, and in

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<v Speaker 1>September the three was completely shut down. So one of

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<v Speaker 1>the inherent dangers of being in a ghost army designed

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<v Speaker 1>to draw attention is that it also draws fire. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's easy to think of all this pageantry and strategic

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<v Speaker 1>slide of hand is really fun and fascinating, but it

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<v Speaker 1>really put the men involved at great risk. At one

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<v Speaker 1>point they were actually set up in Bastone, and they

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<v Speaker 1>actually missed the start of the Battle of the Bulge

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<v Speaker 1>by about four hours. They had been pulled out around

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<v Speaker 1>midnight of December six, and this is at point and

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<v Speaker 1>the fighting started around four am. So had those men

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<v Speaker 1>been trapped there with their phony equipment, they would have

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<v Speaker 1>been in incredibly dire straits and unable to defend themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>During the Battle of the Bulge. The three returned to

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<v Speaker 1>Luxembourg's any where they had already spent a lot of time,

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<v Speaker 1>and fired from the rooftops at the incoming Liftwaffe aircraft.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the only time they ever really for real

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<v Speaker 1>fired at the enemy. Yeah, it was there one there,

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<v Speaker 1>one time that they actually got to perform actual combat activities. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And the twenty three after that was very quickly moved

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<v Speaker 1>to Verdunn. So, in part, the Allies wanted to maintain

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<v Speaker 1>the secrecy of the Ghost Army, and in another part

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<v Speaker 1>they realized that this blow up dummy artillery was not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be any good in a fight, so they

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<v Speaker 1>just wanted to clear them out. And the men ended

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<v Speaker 1>up spending Christmas in Verdune. While the group had been

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<v Speaker 1>extraordinarily lucky throughout their time, their luck finally ran out

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<v Speaker 1>in the spring of n On March twelfth, while impersonating

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<v Speaker 1>the eightieth Infantry, the twenty three drew German artillery fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Two of their men were killed in fifteen others were wounded.

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<v Speaker 1>This was really their worst day. In spite of having

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<v Speaker 1>been an incredibly dangerous areas any times, they kept up

0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:06.199
<v Speaker 1>false appearances all through the war. And one of the

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<v Speaker 1>problems that comes up when UH discussing the twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>and their effectiveness and sort of assessing what they were

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<v Speaker 1>able to achieve lies in the fact that so much

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<v Speaker 1>of their work was secret, and often it fooled Allied

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<v Speaker 1>forces as well as the enemy. Like the Allied forces

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even really know what was going on with them

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the time, they thought they were just

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<v Speaker 1>another unit. After the war, most of the men stayed

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<v Speaker 1>quiet about the amazing works of deceptive aren't that they

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<v Speaker 1>had been part of. The work was classified, so in

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<v Speaker 1>the event that the US found itself at war again,

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<v Speaker 1>having a ghost army would be a really valuable asset.

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<v Speaker 1>So the military didn't want to tip its hand and

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<v Speaker 1>reveal this resource. But finally in NINETI so almost nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>years ago from when we're recording this, the work of

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty three was declassified and the men who had

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<v Speaker 1>only been able to give KG answers to their families

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<v Speaker 1>about what they had done in the war were now

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<v Speaker 1>free speak of their incredible efforts. One of the truly

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<v Speaker 1>significant aspects of the twenty three and the work that

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<v Speaker 1>they did is the fact that an entire division of

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<v Speaker 1>creative people was successfully managed within the structure of the military. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one of those things that people often go like, look,

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<v Speaker 1>these were all artists and they totally were able to

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<v Speaker 1>work together in this this effort. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if that speaks to like their level of commitment or independence.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, It's one of those things that often likes

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<v Speaker 1>to get bandied about, particularly when you're talking about modern business, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard to manage creative people. It's like these guys

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<v Speaker 1>managed and they were doing some scary stuff. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it also speaks to the like perpetual mythologizing of

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<v Speaker 1>creative work as some kind of extraordinary thing, when in

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of cases it is work. Yeah, which isn't

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<v Speaker 1>to say that like creative inspiration isn't really fabulous and

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<v Speaker 1>cool and unique in many ways. But I just I

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<v Speaker 1>find that to be a really interesting one that we

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<v Speaker 1>do mythologize working with creative types. And I say of

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<v Speaker 1>this as a creative person married to an artist as well, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>but they can it can be anybody can be managed,

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<v Speaker 1>any sort of effort that can be put together. Uh,

0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:15.399
<v Speaker 1>it's it's all about, you know, using people's assets. And

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<v Speaker 1>another really incredible legacy is the artwork that a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of these men were doing while they were deployed. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit more about that in a minute. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really no surprise that a lot of the men

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<v Speaker 1>who were involved in effectively doing art for the army

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<v Speaker 1>went on to careers in the arts. So for example,

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Blast of course went on spuilt a fashion empire.

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<v Speaker 1>He had actually been sketching women's clothing during the war. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there was one interview that I saw with one of

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<v Speaker 1>the other members of the twenty three and he was saying,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know if he was serious or not,

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<v Speaker 1>that Bill Blast would read Vote magazine in foxholes, But

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea, but I loved it. Art Kane,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, became a very well known photographer. His photo

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<v Speaker 1>entitled A Great Day in a Loan, which was taken

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<v Speaker 1>in nine, featured fifty seven prominent jazz musicians and it's

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<v Speaker 1>still considered one of the most important images of jazz history.

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<v Speaker 1>And he also took a lot of incredible celebrity portraits,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was the photographer for the one and only

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<v Speaker 1>DeLorean magazine ad to ever run. Ellsworth Kelly made a

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<v Speaker 1>career as a painter and a sculptor and became known

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<v Speaker 1>for use of really bright color and very hard edges.

0:23:25.680 --> 0:23:29.320
<v Speaker 1>Arthur Singer became an illustrator and he really became known

0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:32.960
<v Speaker 1>for his incredibly detailed bird illustrations. So if you have

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<v Speaker 1>ever looked at an illustrated birding field guide, odds are

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<v Speaker 1>really good that you've seen as work because it's been

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<v Speaker 1>in everything. Jack Macy went on to design backdrops for

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<v Speaker 1>the State Department. Eventually he designed the kitchen set that

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<v Speaker 1>was used for the Nixon Cruis Chef debate of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty nine. And there's a really wonderful documentary called The

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<v Speaker 1>Ghost Army that I highly recommend for people that UH

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<v Speaker 1>want to hear accounts from some of the surviving members

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<v Speaker 1>of the twenty third And one of the reasons I

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<v Speaker 1>really loved it too, is that, uh, it being a

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<v Speaker 1>visual medium, they're able to show a lot of the

0:24:06.600 --> 0:24:10.160
<v Speaker 1>artwork that these men were doing while they were in

0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:13.600
<v Speaker 1>France and in performing all these amazing maneuvers. And one

0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:15.199
<v Speaker 1>of the men said something like, you know, we were

0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:17.879
<v Speaker 1>in all these crazy circumstances, but we could always find

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<v Speaker 1>time or a place to duck away and do a

0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:23.119
<v Speaker 1>quick watercolor. But I think it's just super terming, like

0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:25.879
<v Speaker 1>they just were all artists at heart, even though they

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<v Speaker 1>were part of this amazing war effort. And that documentary

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<v Speaker 1>is as of this recording in early fifteen, is available

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<v Speaker 1>on Netflix, and it's a little longer than an hour, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and you get to see a lot of this really

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<v Speaker 1>amazing art and just interviews with these guys, and it

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<v Speaker 1>deals a little bit more with with them as individuals

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<v Speaker 1>rather than like what we've covered is so much of

0:24:46.000 --> 0:24:48.520
<v Speaker 1>sort of the bigger, kind of broad strokes of the

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<v Speaker 1>whole unit, but this really focuses on some of the

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<v Speaker 1>different men and has interviews with them that are really

0:24:53.200 --> 0:24:58.040
<v Speaker 1>quite charming and touching and really really entertaining. Uh. So

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<v Speaker 1>I highly recommend that. And that is the Ghost Army,

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<v Speaker 1>which is just such a The whole thing is so cool,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm surprised even though it does pop up sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>in like uh, you know list goals online, Uh, people

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<v Speaker 1>don't really know about it. Like it's another one of

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<v Speaker 1>those things where I thought, oh, everyone's heard about this,

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<v Speaker 1>We've had a few requests for it. But then when

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned it to people, they look at me like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what you're talking about. And then when

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<v Speaker 1>I say a few things, they get sort of this,

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<v Speaker 1>like agog really what. So clearly this is there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>some gap in in their uh, in the knowledge about

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<v Speaker 1>these guys, and it's they did such amazing things that

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<v Speaker 1>I think everybody should know what their work was. Like.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you also have some listener mail for us? I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I have two pieces, and they're both super fun and

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<v Speaker 1>one is really more of a thank you, but so

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<v Speaker 1>the first one is from a very young listener and

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<v Speaker 1>it is so charming that, uh it made me crazy. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so this is from our listener Penny, and she says,

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<v Speaker 1>dear stuff you missed in history class people. I extremely

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<v Speaker 1>love the podcast on the Curse and Mary Celeste. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that the crew breathing the whiskey fumes was bad

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<v Speaker 1>for them. What do you think. I run to one

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<v Speaker 1>or two of your podcasts every day, but dad makes

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<v Speaker 1>me run. I would rather just listen to your podcast alone.

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<v Speaker 1>We went on vacation to Colorado and listen to your

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<v Speaker 1>podcast in the car, but we did not have to run.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a podcast request about the Emperor Penguins of

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<v Speaker 1>and Antarctica, as I am a great fan of penguins

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<v Speaker 1>and my room is stuffed with them, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>from our listener, Penny. She says, ps, I love your

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<v Speaker 1>podcast pps. I'm seven years old and homeschooled, and your

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<v Speaker 1>podcasts are a lot of help to me. And then

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<v Speaker 1>she drew this amazing picture of penguins and they're holding

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<v Speaker 1>little flags, and one of them says Tracy and Holly,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have a kinship with her because I too

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<v Speaker 1>love penguins. So I'm gonna figure out a way to

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<v Speaker 1>do something on emperor penguins in Antarctica. Thank you, Penny.

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<v Speaker 1>That was awesome. I've actually been hanging onto this one

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<v Speaker 1>for a few months. I just love it so much.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of keep it out at my desk because

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<v Speaker 1>I find it terribly charming. I remember when that one

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<v Speaker 1>came in and we were both delighted. Oh that's so cute.

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<v Speaker 1>And the other one is from and I hope I

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<v Speaker 1>am pronouncing the name right our listener, Nicole, and she

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<v Speaker 1>sent us this amazing parcel and she wrote his postcard,

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<v Speaker 1>this is ladies, I thought you might enjoy these planners.

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<v Speaker 1>I make a small run of them each year and

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<v Speaker 1>chose these covers just for you. And this is from

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<v Speaker 1>Nicole at Year of the Calendar dot com. And she

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<v Speaker 1>sent it on the postcard of one of her sheep

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<v Speaker 1>named Uncle honey Bunch, who is a Shetland weather and

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<v Speaker 1>he's adorable. And I love that his name is Uncle

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<v Speaker 1>honey Bunch. And also, oh, my goodness, you don't even

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<v Speaker 1>know how you hit the sweet spot with planners for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I was so excited when they came that I started.

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<v Speaker 1>I am in tracy about all the lists I was

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<v Speaker 1>making in them, Uh, because they're awesome. They're really cool planners.

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<v Speaker 1>They're a little bit sassy. There's a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>adult language in them, which I love. It just has

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<v Speaker 1>a fun way to lay out the year. It's really

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<v Speaker 1>organized in a really smart and fun way that. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I just I adored it. There's so many little extras

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<v Speaker 1>and little how to draw things within it, and oh

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<v Speaker 1>it's magical. I have such a calendar addiction and such

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<v Speaker 1>planner addiction specifically that that was a good one, cy Nicole.

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot thank you enough for that. That was an

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<v Speaker 1>absolute delight to open. And she's she's really not exaggerating, Nicole,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I was not physically present in the office when

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<v Speaker 1>these arrived. She texted me a video of paging through it.

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<v Speaker 1>So that is how excited Hollywood is about the planners.

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<v Speaker 1>I love them, like all caps love. I love them.

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<v Speaker 1>They're awesome. I also love them. But I am the

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<v Speaker 1>person that has good intentions about planners every year, and

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<v Speaker 1>I will keep up with the planner for about three days.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, No, mine is already gonna starting to look

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<v Speaker 1>dog eared because I drag it everywhere with me. That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's good because it's a good size where I

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<v Speaker 1>can tuck in little notes and stuff, and like if

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<v Speaker 1>I do a little sketch of like a costumer or

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<v Speaker 1>something that I want a stitch, I can shove it

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<v Speaker 1>in there. There's some good spaces. It's really cool planner.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. I love it again, all caps love UH.

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