Speaker 1: All right, let's get it going right here, right now.
Speaker 1: This is Eyes up here, and you're listening to check
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Speaker 1: name is Shannon. Every single week I'm joined here, of course,
Speaker 1: by the one and only trademark Queen of Extreme, Francine,
Speaker 1: and we are coming to you live here in audio format,
Speaker 1: live from my studio here in the lovely state of Virginia.
Speaker 1: You're from an undisposed location somewhere from the Queen's castle
Speaker 1: in the trademark land of the Queen of Extreme. But
Speaker 1: how the hell are you on this beautiful day we're recording?
Speaker 1: I'm doing well? How about yourself? I'm just ducky. It's
Speaker 1: kind of cold this morning. But really, you know, sun's out,
Speaker 1: guns out. You know, I'm locking and loading. You know,
Speaker 1: as we're getting recorded, you know, you're you're quieting the
Speaker 1: people in your house. I've been dealing with the friggin
Speaker 1: cat sitting at the top of the damn steps over here,
Speaker 1: crying for the last two to three days, like I
Speaker 1: wanted to come down. We don't let the cat in
Speaker 1: the basement, but holy shit, is it fucking annoying. Well,
Speaker 1: the language, the language. No, the cat's annoying as hell.
Speaker 1: It's sitting at the top of the steps going do
Speaker 1: you think the cats in heat or she's fixed. She's
Speaker 1: just crying. Oh okay, so she's she just wants to
Speaker 1: come downstairs and play. Yeah, but she can't because she I,
Speaker 1: you know, like, my stuff are right and my statues,
Speaker 1: I got my stuff and she climbs on it, so
Speaker 1: she can't come down. But yeah, oh my god, she's
Speaker 1: annoying the ship. I'm trying to get my stuff done.
Speaker 1: And then here is are you logging her yet? Are
Speaker 1: you a petner? Are you holding her? I go up
Speaker 1: and I give her. I show her the the You know,
Speaker 1: I'm the I'm the dominant person in the house, so
Speaker 1: she I show her. You know that I'm the dominant
Speaker 1: male in the house. You're the only mail in the house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. Survival of the Fittest. That's why you have
Speaker 1: that title, because the only I know I know what's
Speaker 1: going on with you. This This is a kind of
Speaker 1: a quiet week for me. You know, I am not
Speaker 1: booked this weekend. This is the Russell Con weekend. By
Speaker 1: the way, uh weekend weekend I usually go to Wrestle Khan,
Speaker 1: but I opted not to go this year only because
Speaker 1: California is very far and I would have spent like
Speaker 1: two days traveling and three days actually working, and it
Speaker 1: was five days is way too long to be away,
Speaker 1: you know, from my situation, so I opted to skip
Speaker 1: this weekend. Now. The following weekend after that is Squared Circle,
Speaker 1: which I had booked months and months and months before.
Speaker 1: I you know, my mom kind of started with her
Speaker 1: decline and that's I'm going to be away like four days, right,
Speaker 1: But I had already booked it and I'm kind of
Speaker 1: locked in, so I couldn't renege on that one. So
Speaker 1: I have to go to that one. But Wrestle Khan,
Speaker 1: I was just kind of like, I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go. So I talked to a couple of my
Speaker 1: friends who are heading out there today, and I hope
Speaker 1: everybody has a great weekend. I hope it's very successful
Speaker 1: for everyone involved. Are you gonna watch WrestleMania. I will
Speaker 1: check out WrestleMania at some point. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: fall into it like I did with the Royal Rumble,
Speaker 1: because I know that since it's too I don't have
Speaker 1: eight hours of time to spend watching WrestleMania. That's like
Speaker 1: a shift of work if you're going to watch WrestleMania.
Speaker 1: So I'll check out. I definitely want to see the
Speaker 1: Cody Roman match for sure, and we'll talk about something
Speaker 1: with WrestleMania relations in a couple of minutes. But that's
Speaker 1: really it. I mean, I guess I'm invested enough in
Speaker 1: this usso's Sammy's ay and Kevin Owen's storyline. I'll check
Speaker 1: that out. Yeah, that's about it. There's really nothing else
Speaker 1: popping off the page for me. Gotcha understood. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: won't watch, but I'll look at clips and highlights and
Speaker 1: read and see what's going on. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's a magical time of year though. It's like Christmas
Speaker 1: for a wrestling fan, you know it is. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's lost a little bit. I feel like, and this
Speaker 1: is a weird one because, you know, is this a
Speaker 1: Vince mcmahonless WrestleMania for the first time? This be a
Speaker 1: better WrestleMania. Maybe I gotta say the jury's out on
Speaker 1: Triple H you know, not that everybody's crying for Vince
Speaker 1: McMahon to come back. But the jury's out on Triple
Speaker 1: H talking when this first all went down and Triple
Speaker 1: H gained power and the ratings went up, right, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to say through the roof, but the ratings
Speaker 1: continued to climb when Triple H got control and people
Speaker 1: were coming back. We were sitting here saying, this is
Speaker 1: so great for the business and for WWE, and it's
Speaker 1: such a good thing, And now you're telling me not
Speaker 1: so good. No, they're still rewriting shows like at the
Speaker 1: last minute. You know, they don't know what they're doing,
Speaker 1: if they're coming or going right. They've done that for years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it seemed like they were going in a little
Speaker 1: more of a structured direction and it just doesn't seem
Speaker 1: way anymore. All the guys that he brought back seemingly
Speaker 1: have done absolutely nothing with you know, It's like, what
Speaker 1: was the point of rehiring all those folks. I mean,
Speaker 1: great for them, they got a paycheck and a steady income,
Speaker 1: but creatively, you know, there's guys that just got taken
Speaker 1: off that I guess indie scene and could have been
Speaker 1: working more regularly and getting better instead of just doing
Speaker 1: the old showing up the TV and not working and
Speaker 1: maybe just being in a backstage segment. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it seems like this the jury's still out. So
Speaker 1: this is Triple H's WrestleMania test. Is Vince gonna be there?
Speaker 1: I'm sure in some capacity, But you know, the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame was like a big deal. It's very small
Speaker 1: this year compared to previous years. And we talked about
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame with so Calval a couple of weeks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so much controversy, a lot of controversy. And then, you know,
Speaker 1: and then the Stacey Keebler reveal come out, you know,
Speaker 1: about a week ago, and it's so nice to see
Speaker 1: like how she settled into post celebrity life. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: looks lovely. I mean I saw a picture of her
Speaker 1: walking with her three children. Beautiful family, seems to have
Speaker 1: a great husband, you know, good honor. It's great. I
Speaker 1: love success stories in wrestling. I love the positive pieces.
Speaker 1: And you know, I never really gave my two cents worth.
Speaker 1: I sat here and I listened to Val talk about
Speaker 1: Stacy and how she doesn't think she deserves it, but
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of think she does deserve it.
Speaker 1: If you look back on her career and what she
Speaker 1: has done for the business. She was a very prominent
Speaker 1: player in that era. Now I'm not saying, you know,
Speaker 1: people say well this one deserves it more than this one,
Speaker 1: or this one deserves to be in it before her,
Speaker 1: because she did more than that. That's not the way
Speaker 1: this hall of Fame goes. This isn't your typical hall
Speaker 1: of fame. We've discussed this. This is like who they
Speaker 1: think will help them benefit, what names will draw, what
Speaker 1: names will sell tickets. I feel like Stacy, like I said,
Speaker 1: she was a very very prominent figure in the era
Speaker 1: that she worked in. And I told this story before.
Speaker 1: When she first started in the business, she was trying
Speaker 1: out to be a nitro girl. And I had saw
Speaker 1: I was at the Baltimore Airport ide layover coming from
Speaker 1: a long ECW trip, and I had my big ECW
Speaker 1: jacket on and she walked over. She was with her
Speaker 1: mom and dad at the time. She walked over to
Speaker 1: me and she tapped me on the shoulder and she said,
Speaker 1: do you work for ECW. I said, well, yes, I do,
Speaker 1: and I introduced myself to her and she told me,
Speaker 1: you know, she was just starting with WCW. She said,
Speaker 1: all I want to do is dance. That's what she
Speaker 1: That was the one line I'll never forget out of her. Man,
Speaker 1: I just want to dance. All I want to do
Speaker 1: is dance. And I told her, You're going to do
Speaker 1: much more than dance. Believe me, I said, they're going
Speaker 1: to use you for a lot more than dancing. And
Speaker 1: I was right. Do other people deserve it, absolutely do
Speaker 1: and hopefully they'll get the call. But I feel, like,
Speaker 1: you know, Stacy has contributed a lot to the business
Speaker 1: as a managers, as just a you know, a female,
Speaker 1: and everybody knows who she is. Everybody who's a wrestling
Speaker 1: fan knows who she is, and I'm happy for She
Speaker 1: accepted it graciously. She, like you said, she has moved on.
Speaker 1: I don't know if she acts anymore. I really haven't
Speaker 1: heard much from her. There was an article up and
Speaker 1: she hadn't even been on her Twitter in years, and
Speaker 1: she popped up to just say, you know, thank you WWE,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm happy to reconnect with you guys
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So I'm happy for her, you know,
Speaker 1: And again it's a positive story. She has a great
Speaker 1: life and I love seeing that for people in the
Speaker 1: wrestling business because too many times people get caught up
Speaker 1: in the wrong things and we've lost so many of
Speaker 1: our you know, dear friends and family because of it,
Speaker 1: and it's just nice to see a positive piece. Tory
Speaker 1: Wilson also same era as Stacey Keebler in WWE Hall Fame. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to also give them that little asterisk. Even
Speaker 1: though they came through that WWE Diva era, they did
Speaker 1: break in in WCW YEP during a quite tumultuous era
Speaker 1: where you kind of got an education pretty quick because
Speaker 1: there was a lot of politics going on and you
Speaker 1: had to get kind of learn on the fly as
Speaker 1: to what was going on from a business point of view.
Speaker 1: So whether or not she just wanted to dance, she
Speaker 1: was thrust pretty quick into having to deal with sharks,
Speaker 1: having to deal with, you know, getting into storylines, having
Speaker 1: to learn. She went from Miss Hancock the standards and
Speaker 1: practices to I don't know if they changed her. I
Speaker 1: don't think she was Stacy Keebler there. I think she
Speaker 1: was just Miss Hancock but standards and practice to stripping
Speaker 1: and this and that. So they kind of threw her
Speaker 1: straight to the wolves and she contributed a lot to
Speaker 1: the end of WCW. So just that WWE Diva era
Speaker 1: where she's a Hall of Famer. She broke in at
Speaker 1: the end of the nineties in WCW, so it's not
Speaker 1: like it's one small piece of time. It is that
Speaker 1: tail end of the Attitude era. It's it's a lot
Speaker 1: more than just that two thousand's you know, ruthless aggression
Speaker 1: Diva era. Yeah, and I remember when she came on
Speaker 1: the scene. I believe I was at UH. I was
Speaker 1: watching Paul edit the show for the week, the ECW show.
Speaker 1: We were up in Scarsdale and uh, I think we
Speaker 1: might have had nightro on and Stacy was on and
Speaker 1: Paul said, if I can get one girl, that would
Speaker 1: be the girl to bring over to ECW. He wanted
Speaker 1: Stacy Keebler. I remember him saying that, and could never
Speaker 1: get her. And guess what after the the tail end
Speaker 1: of the Alliance era, she was paired with the Dudleys, Yeah,
Speaker 1: saying that if I had my pick out of all
Speaker 1: the girls that we don't have, I picked Stacy Keebler.
Speaker 1: So there you go, and there you go. Maybe I
Speaker 1: don't know, so hall of Famer. We talked about it
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago with so cal val and now
Speaker 1: cemented in the Hall of Fame and equals cash everything.
Speaker 1: There are so many people who are Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: worthy out there that have not gotten in yet, but
Speaker 1: maybe they will, you know. But for me, like, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna crap on somebody because somebody else didn't get
Speaker 1: in before them. She didn't sit on her on her
Speaker 1: hands and do nothing. She she did what she was
Speaker 1: told to do. She was over, she took the bumps,
Speaker 1: you know, she helped get guys over. I think she's
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame worthy. So there you go. That's my
Speaker 1: two cents. People can argue with me all they want.
Speaker 1: I don't care. I do agree that there's others that
Speaker 1: deserve it as well, but maybe everybody will get their turn,
Speaker 1: who knows. But again it's not the typical Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: so you have to keep that in mind as well.
Speaker 1: And the chatter will begin because next year WrestleMania is
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, So get ready because the WrestleMania experience hits
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia area and I've already talked about with a
Speaker 1: couple people that you know, the rumblings will begin probably
Speaker 1: around January that hey, if they're gonna do it as
Speaker 1: a group. Who would represent the group? If they're gonna
Speaker 1: pick and choose, who are they gonna pick and choose?
Speaker 1: Probably not. Is there a default couple that they pick.
Speaker 1: That's the maybe logical guest that they would do that.
Speaker 1: But are they just going to umbrella? You know, there's
Speaker 1: the umbrella. We're just gonna lump everybody under that umbrella,
Speaker 1: and then everybody who ever worked for the company says, oh,
Speaker 1: now I'm a Hall of Famer. Yeah, no, I don't care.
Speaker 1: How about this picture. I just found this as I
Speaker 1: was scrolling through Twitter just casually. Here's a picture of
Speaker 1: the Hall of Famer with the Dudleys. That's a great picture.
Speaker 1: I like that picture a lot. I could see your picks.
Speaker 1: I can see you doing with the tag titles as well.
Speaker 1: So there that's a place I did Queen's book. I
Speaker 1: did that with the television championship. That's right, you did.
Speaker 1: There you go. Before this picture was taken, I took
Speaker 1: one with a belt, So there you go. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: as we say, the would be, we did it first,
Speaker 1: So there you go. But you know, we'll kind of
Speaker 1: stay with that and uh, we'll kind of keeping the
Speaker 1: you know, the w w E. Diva Era somebody who
Speaker 1: you you know, you worked with in the news recently,
Speaker 1: uh for different not not Hall of Fame news, but
Speaker 1: you know, personal news. Uh. Kelly, Kelly Barbie Blank announces
Speaker 1: that she is expecting her first child. This story behind
Speaker 1: it is that she had like a very tumultuous time
Speaker 1: getting there and had a very very tough time ut
Speaker 1: ivf battle you know, for years to get to this point.
Speaker 1: But I'll let you talk about it. But I was
Speaker 1: just surprised with how much coverage there was because it's
Speaker 1: like a very personal thing, but it was like a story. Yes, yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: she miscarried. She had a miscarriage a little bit ago,
Speaker 1: and like you said, she'd been trying for a very
Speaker 1: long time. From what I understood when I met her,
Speaker 1: she was nineteen at the time, knew nothing about the business,
Speaker 1: as green as grass, sweetest little thing, and you know,
Speaker 1: we traveled together, and we roomed together a couple of
Speaker 1: times and stuff, and she would always tell me like,
Speaker 1: I just want to be a mom, I just want
Speaker 1: to have a baby. At nineteen she was saying this,
Speaker 1: really yeah, And because I was dating my husband at
Speaker 1: the time when I was working there, and you know,
Speaker 1: being much older. I was about fifteen years older, I
Speaker 1: belie than her. I was good lore thirty four years old.
Speaker 1: She was only nineteen. So she would say to me like,
Speaker 1: do you think you're gonna get married? And I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe you know, and She's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I want to do. I want to settle down,
Speaker 1: get married and have kids. And that's what I remember
Speaker 1: from her the most is just her wanting to be
Speaker 1: a mom. So when I saw that she was pregnant finally,
Speaker 1: I was elated for her super super happy and beautiful
Speaker 1: pictures with her and her husband and her little baby bump.
Speaker 1: I never did those pictures. I don't know, maybe because
Speaker 1: I'm not like an ig kind of girl, Like I
Speaker 1: don't like taking pictures of myself, but all these girls
Speaker 1: are taking pictures of their bellies and these beautiful outfits.
Speaker 1: I should have did something like that. I didn't take
Speaker 1: any pictures. So I was just like, Oh, I'm as
Speaker 1: big as Al's. I don't want anyone to see me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not my cup of teeth those kinds of pictures. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't like this. No, no, I don't get it,
Speaker 1: you know, and I watched like an Entertainment Tonight piece
Speaker 1: about it, and that that was the thing that caught me. Yes,
Speaker 1: and that's the thing that kind of caught me off guard.
Speaker 1: And she's still being billed as a WWE superstar. And
Speaker 1: I know she comes back for all of the events,
Speaker 1: you know, the Raw twenty five, the Raw Super Show,
Speaker 1: the Legends Night and all that stuff, but they're still
Speaker 1: billing her as a WWE superstar. Now. I don't know
Speaker 1: if she's gotten into acting at all or if she's
Speaker 1: just a model on the side. And but I didn't
Speaker 1: know she would still be like under the WWE family,
Speaker 1: you know, I thought she had moved on completely. And
Speaker 1: they're they're doing jokes on Entertainment Tonight saying, oh, maybe
Speaker 1: this baby will be a future wrestler, ha ha. You
Speaker 1: know what. I'm like, she's been gone for like ten
Speaker 1: plus years. I wouldn't consider Kelly Kelly a wrestler anymore
Speaker 1: by any stretch. I don't know, does she like I
Speaker 1: don't know if she'd be under a Legends deal, But
Speaker 1: is she under some kind of promotional deal with them?
Speaker 1: I would guess she is if they. I mean, she's
Speaker 1: been back for like the Women's Evolution event. They had
Speaker 1: just got the Women's World Rumble, like two years she
Speaker 1: was in the Women's World Rumble. Yeah, but like she's
Speaker 1: not like on the independence scene now people remember her,
Speaker 1: I guess for her, you know her run there and
Speaker 1: Kelly Kelly was never like released from w w E
Speaker 1: and then like you know at like Wrestle Pro and Rahway.
Speaker 1: You know, she was not like on the on the
Speaker 1: indie tour. But I do see her at conventions. I
Speaker 1: have seen her at several conventions that I've done where
Speaker 1: I got to chat with She's regular on the convention scenes. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Pretty pretty, uh pretty high asking price there from uh
Speaker 1: oh really from what I from what I know, there's
Speaker 1: the picture from a pretty she looks a little different
Speaker 1: from when she first broke onto the scene. Well, she's
Speaker 1: older now and she looks beautiful, and I hope she
Speaker 1: has a healthy, happy baby, and I'm very happy for her.
Speaker 1: This guy's like, yeah, I did that. He's like I
Speaker 1: got Kelly Kelly. Yeah, good for them. I'm very very
Speaker 1: happy for them. And you know, nothing is worse than
Speaker 1: you know, being a woman and yearning for a child
Speaker 1: and not being able to conceive that is a terrible thing.
Speaker 1: I know so many women who would cut off their
Speaker 1: arm to have a baby and they just can't do it.
Speaker 1: So when something like this happens, it's a huge blessing.
Speaker 1: So I am really really happy for her, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's motherhood's journey and she's got a lot in store
Speaker 1: for her. But it's the best thing you can ever do.
Speaker 1: So can Congratulations to Barbie and her husband from me. Yes,
Speaker 1: congratulations to uh somebody who had a better shoot name
Speaker 1: than a wrestling name, and that they should have started.
Speaker 1: We all said that back in the day, like Barbie
Speaker 1: Blank gets so much better than Kelly Kelly, Like what
Speaker 1: the hell? But you know she got it. Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 1: You know, I've seen in the news. I thought I
Speaker 1: saw her name pop up like a couple maybe like
Speaker 1: a week or so ago, because the anniversary of test
Speaker 1: Andrew Martin passing away would had just passed and she
Speaker 1: had dated Andrew Martin, yeah, you know, way back in
Speaker 1: the day. And uh, it's been quite a while since
Speaker 1: he passed away, and I couldn't believe how long it's been.
Speaker 1: It's been like fifteen sixteen years, and it's like, man,
Speaker 1: he was so young that he was such a big dude,
Speaker 1: and I was I was listening to Kevin Nash talk
Speaker 1: about him, and I didn't know was really close with
Speaker 1: him when he passed away, and Nash looked at him
Speaker 1: as like a protege that he could have been like
Speaker 1: the next Kevin Nash. Like Kevin Nash saw him as
Speaker 1: like the guy who could have carried that big man
Speaker 1: torch of like the attitude mixed with like the big
Speaker 1: man you know, like that Nash has that that aura
Speaker 1: and like you know, the cockiness that yeah, yeah, I got.
Speaker 1: I always got along with Tests because you know, he
Speaker 1: was he was there in the fakes. He dubb with me,
Speaker 1: and I just wish we would have been able to
Speaker 1: do the run that we were supposed to do together
Speaker 1: because I just feel like that would have been money,
Speaker 1: you know, like working together with him. Unfortunately we never
Speaker 1: got to do it. But I always got along with
Speaker 1: him in the back like he was. He was a
Speaker 1: very nice guy. And you in balls with Tests, No, No,
Speaker 1: I you with Tests. I was supposed to be with really,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah I told you this story. I don't remember this.
Speaker 1: Remind me, No, I don't remember this at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So When I first went there, the pitch was you're
Speaker 1: gonna be put with somebody, you know, a top tier guy,
Speaker 1: and they didn't tell me who before I signed my contract,
Speaker 1: you know. So I signed the contract and then I
Speaker 1: get there and then I'm hearing all this stuff, and
Speaker 1: I was told, we're thinking about you and test together
Speaker 1: as a monster Heel team. So I was just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I love it. And then I said
Speaker 1: the test. Are you ready, like, you know, are you
Speaker 1: ready to do this? He's like, oh, yeah, yeah, this
Speaker 1: will be cool, blah blah blah, and then it just
Speaker 1: never was brought up again. And I was just like,
Speaker 1: what happened? And I wasn't pissing anybody off because I
Speaker 1: hardly opened my mouth, Like I was just like, you know,
Speaker 1: in the corner, reading my book, doing my thing, not
Speaker 1: bothering anyone, So I know it wasn't me. I don't
Speaker 1: think he had a problem with the angle, because he
Speaker 1: seemed like he wanted to do something with, you know,
Speaker 1: with it, but it just got scrapped for or whatever reason.
Speaker 1: But I just in the back of my mind, I'm
Speaker 1: just like, man, I wonder if we would have got over.
Speaker 1: I think we would have I really think we would
Speaker 1: have one hundred percent. That's what was missing in that
Speaker 1: ECW because well, I remember I was in the building
Speaker 1: the night he re debuted, and you looked at him
Speaker 1: when he redbuted, and that's when they were kind of
Speaker 1: starting to sprinkle the retread WWE guys in the ECW,
Speaker 1: you know whatever, you want to call it, fake ECW,
Speaker 1: ECW rebrand. When they were taking guys like Bob Holly
Speaker 1: putting him in there, taking a guy like Tests and
Speaker 1: putting him in there, and the fans were booing him
Speaker 1: because it's like, oh, we've seen tests, we've seen him
Speaker 1: in doun raw, we've seen him on some backdown. Now
Speaker 1: he's here. You would have brought a new dimension to him.
Speaker 1: That would have been really cool. That is a huge
Speaker 1: missed opportunity. Yeah, I agree, And it was something I
Speaker 1: really wanted to do, and just you know, I was
Speaker 1: eager to just work with anyone. I didn't care, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't care who I worked with. And then when
Speaker 1: they put me with Balls, I was like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is cool, he's my friend, you know. And then take
Speaker 1: a drug test, way to go, Balls, he's out, and
Speaker 1: then I'm alone again and they're they're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we just we can't think of anything. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: it's right under your nose, it's right there, you know.
Speaker 1: But it's like talking to a wall when you work there.
Speaker 1: So and that would have been that could have been
Speaker 1: the storyline right there. You turn on balls your ECW
Speaker 1: brother to go with tests, sitting right in front of them.
Speaker 1: Then they just yeah, you're sleeping at the wheel, you know,
Speaker 1: like they're known to do sometimes, Oh what can you do?
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Speaker 1: fran scene or use promo code franccene. Speaking of missed opportunities.
Speaker 1: There's an an odd opportunity for somebody. It's in a
Speaker 1: company that's not WWE that I don't know if I
Speaker 1: guess you'd be getting paid for it. But this is
Speaker 1: a weird one, and we will talk about a missed
Speaker 1: opportunity again for you in a crisscross company scenario. Christian
Speaker 1: at WrestleMania. I don't know if I believe this one.
Speaker 1: I don't know. If I'm Tony Kahan, why would I
Speaker 1: let one of my top guys were for my rival promotion?
Speaker 1: Why would I? It doesn't make sense to me unless
Speaker 1: he Christian goes there with an ae W shirtle to
Speaker 1: promote the company. But I don't see them agreeing to
Speaker 1: something like that. So why would Tony let Christian work WrestleMania.
Speaker 1: That's out there, man, that's like I don't know, but
Speaker 1: but think about it. Mickey James went with a belt
Speaker 1: for another company into WWE and worked her deal right
Speaker 1: in the rumble, correct, So I mean, we never say never,
Speaker 1: but this one, this one's a I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know. What do you what do you think? I
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna happen. Okay, I do think we'll
Speaker 1: see Gangrel because Gangrel seems to be just everywhere these days.
Speaker 1: As told us, he's pretty much, you know, a vampire
Speaker 1: who just will not live big lives forever. I think
Speaker 1: it's very hard to believe, especially with the investment that
Speaker 1: Tony Kahm put into Christian, who paid him a lot
Speaker 1: of money to come from WWE to AW. Why would
Speaker 1: you want to enhance their biggest show of the year
Speaker 1: with a guy you invested that much money into only
Speaker 1: what two three years later? That makes no business sense whatsoever.
Speaker 1: As cool as it would be, I could be off
Speaker 1: the mark on this one, but I just can't see
Speaker 1: Tony agreeing to this unless he gets something out of it.
Speaker 1: What is AW going to get out of it? Are
Speaker 1: they going to put over the rival promotion on WrestleMania.
Speaker 1: I can't see that happening. I don't see it either.
Speaker 1: That's a weird one. This is I don't know who
Speaker 1: started this one, but it's interesting. It is interesting because
Speaker 1: there's the rumblings of the Brood reunion, you know, the
Speaker 1: darkness of the finn Balor group mixed with the darkness
Speaker 1: of Edge and the Brood makes sense. It's there. It's
Speaker 1: absolutely logical, but it's not because if one of the
Speaker 1: guys is in the other promotion, it just can't happen.
Speaker 1: Now Wwe did send Christian again to Impact for an
Speaker 1: anniversary show, but all he did was present like an
Speaker 1: award right in uttle and he was out there for
Speaker 1: about a minute. Well, I mean, I look stranger. Things
Speaker 1: have happened in this business. You never say never, like
Speaker 1: I said earlier, but if this does happen, I will
Speaker 1: really be shocked. I will be shocked. Like I would say,
Speaker 1: he has to wear an AW shirt. He has there
Speaker 1: has been the Brood. He can't wear an AW shirt
Speaker 1: that he has to have some branding on him so
Speaker 1: that company gets something out of his appearance. Are they
Speaker 1: gonna on commentary? Are they gonna say, oh, it's it's
Speaker 1: Christian from ae W. He's a ladies and that's that's
Speaker 1: what it would have to be. They're not gonna do it.
Speaker 1: They can't do that cause he comes out as if
Speaker 1: they do the Brood thing and he is there when
Speaker 1: we could eat our hats. If that's the case, he
Speaker 1: would be wearing the Brood gimmick with the white shirt
Speaker 1: and the sun aw acrust, the ruffles on the way
Speaker 1: and Corey Graves, who likes to throw monikers out there
Speaker 1: very loosely, he would say something like it's it's Gangrel,
Speaker 1: it's Edge, and the one who's the elite member of
Speaker 1: the brood, it's Christian. You know, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I just feel like I feel like ae
Speaker 1: W needs to get something out of that appearance. They
Speaker 1: need to be recognized. That's the only like, if I
Speaker 1: was Tony, that's the only way I'd let him do it,
Speaker 1: because if they put him over as somebody from AW.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. So let's go back
Speaker 1: to what we talked about a million times ECW on RAW. Okay,
Speaker 1: so obviously that was a conjoint that was a conjoint appearance,
Speaker 1: that was a to promote barely legal Okay, it made sense,
Speaker 1: you got, but you weren't there. We've talked about it.
Speaker 1: It's on the YouTube channel, it's it's it's something that
Speaker 1: you were not happy about because Shane did not want
Speaker 1: to go. Yeah, okay, what what would have been the
Speaker 1: more impactful moment Shane walking out on Monday Night Raw
Speaker 1: or with all the heat that Shane had with the
Speaker 1: WWF and everybody involved with the WWF and Vince or
Speaker 1: Christian walking out on a WrestleMania being involved with AW
Speaker 1: that's only been around for two or three years. What
Speaker 1: would be a more impactful moment, you guys stepping through
Speaker 1: that r AW the two of you, or Christian coming
Speaker 1: up with that smoke and that fire with you know,
Speaker 1: being involved with AW. What what do you think some
Speaker 1: more impactful kind of like shockers promoter? I think for
Speaker 1: me thinking back Shane and Vince, there was always some
Speaker 1: heat there, right. I don't know if Christian has any
Speaker 1: heat with the company, with with w w E. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he left on good terms. I mean
Speaker 1: people leave all the time, back and forth for money reasons.
Speaker 1: Shane was different. There was like there was this heat
Speaker 1: that they didn't like each other, and you know, Shane
Speaker 1: has a tendency to bury people in public a little bit,
Speaker 1: just a little bit, you know, so that it's it's
Speaker 1: like it's a different dynamic when you know it's behind
Speaker 1: the scenes the politics you're going on in one case
Speaker 1: and maybe in the other case it was just like,
Speaker 1: well he left for more money, you know, maybe there's
Speaker 1: no bad blood with Christian. There was certain certainly bad
Speaker 1: blood with Shane, so you would never expect Shane to
Speaker 1: walk through that door. So I feel like that would
Speaker 1: be a bigger shock because for somebody to keep saying,
Speaker 1: I'll never work for him again, I'll never go back,
Speaker 1: I'll never do this, and then you see them, it's like,
Speaker 1: holy shit, where'd he come from? Whereas Christian? Oh wow,
Speaker 1: it's Christian. He's getting a payday, he's working WrestleMania. I
Speaker 1: don't hear Christian badmouthing WWE, right, I don't think there's
Speaker 1: any bad blood between them. I kind of think that
Speaker 1: they just parted ways for money reasons. Correct. So to me,
Speaker 1: it would be somebody, whether it be Shane or whether
Speaker 1: it be anyone who has heat, walking back into that company. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I think that in that long run, even though aw
Speaker 1: is what it is, that ECWWWF crossover to this day,
Speaker 1: is still going to be the biggest, I think shocking
Speaker 1: moment in wrestling history. To see ECW crossover that line
Speaker 1: and come into the ww F ring is still to
Speaker 1: me the most shocking thing ever. Now, it'll be cool
Speaker 1: if Christian is there and that AWWWE crossover happens. It's
Speaker 1: cool to me, It'll always be the fact, like Raven
Speaker 1: comes through the the you know, the the entry way,
Speaker 1: Shaboo jumps off the top of the side. Task is
Speaker 1: in the ring doing the polls, the Dudley's drop, Sam
Speaker 1: Man and the Dreamer in the three d If you
Speaker 1: guys came through with crowd or did whatever you did,
Speaker 1: literally would have been the most shocking moment. It would
Speaker 1: be on one of those countdowns of shocking moments. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I feel like that's something that shouldn't be advertised.
Speaker 1: It shouldn't that if we agreed to do that, that
Speaker 1: should have totally been a surprise and tried to be
Speaker 1: k fame for as long as possible. But you know,
Speaker 1: I desperately tried to talk Shane in the going just
Speaker 1: like I can to the know that wasn't happening. So
Speaker 1: sat home and watched it like every every other person
Speaker 1: in the world, and it was bitter, super bitter that
Speaker 1: I wasn't there. You know, in like a year, if
Speaker 1: WWE is a part of the bet online community, good
Speaker 1: thing we're not better is because if Christian shows up,
Speaker 1: we would have lost. We never talked about that. How ridiculous.
Speaker 1: You can't make this crap up because, first of all, okay,
Speaker 1: I you know, I enjoy uh betting on certain things.
Speaker 1: You know, I like the casino, I like to gamble
Speaker 1: a little bit here and there. But betting on a
Speaker 1: wrestling match is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard
Speaker 1: in my life. You can't threaten. You can threaten the
Speaker 1: people who work there as much as you want, but
Speaker 1: something is always going to be leaked, right if I'm
Speaker 1: a writer. I'm a writer, and I know what the
Speaker 1: schedule is, and I know who's gonna win and lose.
Speaker 1: I'm calling my cousin Fred and saying, put fifty on
Speaker 1: us so and so because I got a tip. There's
Speaker 1: no way this could happen. It is by far one
Speaker 1: of the most idiotic things I have ever heard. Ever.
Speaker 1: There's no way this could happen. I can't see it happening.
Speaker 1: It's pretty dumb. I think it's because of the coverage
Speaker 1: it gets now in mainstream sports. I think that's exactly why.
Speaker 1: And it's I remember I've said this for years, there's
Speaker 1: a blurred line now between the work and what wrestling
Speaker 1: is portrayed as now to the fans, they it's reported
Speaker 1: on as go to a wrestling site. Okay, what a
Speaker 1: wrestler tweets in character is tweeted his news, as reported
Speaker 1: his news. They forgot somewhere. It's a work. It's treated
Speaker 1: as real information. Oh god, So because ESPN talks about it,
Speaker 1: The New York Post talks about it, the Daily News,
Speaker 1: you know, Washington, all these publications. Forbes talks about it,
Speaker 1: Rolling Stone they talk about it. It blurred the line.
Speaker 1: So now these betting sites are like, well, ship WrestleMania.
Speaker 1: Millions of people watch it, so why not bet on it? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's oh there's writers. We didn't know that. Gee, you
Speaker 1: can bet at the end who's gonna win Indiana Jones
Speaker 1: or the villain. It's just ridiculous to me. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't understand it. I think they would lose tons
Speaker 1: of money. I don't. I don't get it. I hope
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen. I just think it's idiotic. It's just ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Who would have thought Superman wins at the end of
Speaker 1: the Superman movie? Like, who do you think they'll have
Speaker 1: like sub parlays where like, uh, if so and so
Speaker 1: doesn't run in plus one press, yes I do. It's
Speaker 1: so ridiculous, you know, ref bump, you know, like stupid,
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna be stuff like that. It's unbelievable
Speaker 1: that it would be unreal, and to me, it's unfortunate.
Speaker 1: To me, it's another nail in the coffin of what
Speaker 1: was professional wrestling. I hate to say it, and that's
Speaker 1: very sad. Well, speaking of nails and coffins, is somebody
Speaker 1: burying themselves a little too much lately? Which which person? Oh? Well,
Speaker 1: the one I'm thinking about is the one we were
Speaker 1: talking about this morning. Do we have any anybody else
Speaker 1: before we go to our main topic today? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, because I gotta tell you
Speaker 1: you'll be surprised who side I'm on and all this. Well,
Speaker 1: the way you said that, I'm thinking you're on punk side.
Speaker 1: I'm team punk. What's your reasoning on that? Because before
Speaker 1: you give an explanation, let me just say everyone in
Speaker 1: the business who is commenting on this story, which recently
Speaker 1: has blown up again, it kind of went down for
Speaker 1: a little bit and now it's a thing again. Right,
Speaker 1: Everyone who's commenting is so anti punk, so anti punk.
Speaker 1: So what is the saving grace that you see that
Speaker 1: you're on punk side, that it's such a pileon that
Speaker 1: now it looks like there's an agenda to get rid
Speaker 1: of the guy. But don't you think there's a pylon
Speaker 1: because he brought it on himself. I'm usually that's what happens. Okay.
Speaker 1: You see the response that he got when he came back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how many years were people chanting his name while he
Speaker 1: was gone? You think it's jealousy? Yes, okay, could be,
Speaker 1: could be. I'm not an insider, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm just like you. I'm looking, I'm reading, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at clips, I'm watching what people are saying about the guy.
Speaker 1: I knew him back in the day long time ago,
Speaker 1: shared a locker room with him in MLW right when
Speaker 1: ECW was done, still young sumpunk, still a youngster on
Speaker 1: the scene, and then in the fake e C Dub
Speaker 1: he was there and he was always super nice to me,
Speaker 1: and to be honest with you, I never saw an
Speaker 1: ego from him. But then again, I'm a chick and
Speaker 1: I'm not competition, so you have to think of it
Speaker 1: that way too. I get it. But every single person
Speaker 1: that I see dislikes the guy, and it's like he
Speaker 1: has a chip on his shoulder. He thinks his shit
Speaker 1: doesn't stink. He really thinks he's the best in the world,
Speaker 1: you know, and he's got this kind of like an attitude.
Speaker 1: They're saying like that he's better than everybody else. And
Speaker 1: I don't know, like some people will argue your fact
Speaker 1: and say, you know, maybe if one person says it,
Speaker 1: it's not true, or maybe if two people, but tens
Speaker 1: of hundreds of people who's worked with the guy are
Speaker 1: saying it. Could it be him? Could there be something
Speaker 1: going on? I don't know. I think there's a pile
Speaker 1: on going on. I think there's a definite movement to
Speaker 1: get him out. And to me, the unprofessionalism of the
Speaker 1: guys that have shot on him in the ring, and
Speaker 1: these promos that are now turned out to be shoots,
Speaker 1: and you know, I've seen Eddie Kingston's promo on a
Speaker 1: dynamite that was I guess we thought was a part
Speaker 1: of a storyline, was now allegedly a shoot. All the
Speaker 1: Adam Page stuff that we knew about before that was
Speaker 1: a shoot in the ring that led to all the
Speaker 1: stuff at the media scrum. I'm professionalism, and this guy's
Speaker 1: getting attacked by everybody. But okay, I understand. You know,
Speaker 1: you're getting bullet points in the back, and you get
Speaker 1: to do your own promo because that's what we did.
Speaker 1: We got bullet points, and we can go off on
Speaker 1: a tangent say our own thing. But I mean, everybody
Speaker 1: that is shooting on him, are they getting reprimanded when
Speaker 1: they come through the curtains or is there is there
Speaker 1: some kind of uh, you know, is Tony come and
Speaker 1: going up to him? Or you really shouldn't have said that.
Speaker 1: Are the coaches coming up to him? Is anybody getting
Speaker 1: in trouble for this? See that? I mean that part
Speaker 1: We don't know. Nobody's privy to that information as just
Speaker 1: a casual observer somebody who is it? Because when you
Speaker 1: go into business for yourself, sometimes it's you get in
Speaker 1: trouble for it. You can get in a lot of trouble,
Speaker 1: especially if they you know, if Tony wants him back
Speaker 1: and he's letting all these guys go out and just
Speaker 1: do these interviews where they're just annihilating him on live TV.
Speaker 1: That's not a way to get somebody back, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Because that makes me think management is
Speaker 1: letting them have free reign and say what they want.
Speaker 1: And it's not only the talent burying him, but it's
Speaker 1: the company burying him so to speak, because management is
Speaker 1: not doing a thing about it. They're letting them. So
Speaker 1: what does that say, Does Tony want him back? I
Speaker 1: would want to before I would think you want him
Speaker 1: back because of the revenue personally, as if you're a businessman.
Speaker 1: Back do you want him back when the whole locker
Speaker 1: room is flat out saying he's a cancer to the
Speaker 1: locker room. I don't want him in here? Do you
Speaker 1: want to chaos among all your workers? Then, as the boss,
Speaker 1: you go to your top lieutenants and you say you
Speaker 1: need to get over yourself. You need to work with
Speaker 1: him because as a business, we need to operate to
Speaker 1: bring in the most money to operate and continue. Bottom line,
Speaker 1: get over yourself. Work with the guy. He's professional enough
Speaker 1: to work with you. So you move on, get over yourselves.
Speaker 1: And so the Instagram story that he deleted I pulled up.
Speaker 1: Did you get a chance to read it? No? But
Speaker 1: wait before I forget this part. As your boss, you
Speaker 1: just said that Tony wants to be one of the boys,
Speaker 1: not so much a boss. So he's going to listen
Speaker 1: in to the majority of that locker room. My opinion
Speaker 1: from what I hear, I don't know. I'm not in
Speaker 1: that locker room. That's what everybody hears. Everybody hears it.
Speaker 1: So do I want to be a boss figure or
Speaker 1: do I want to be one of the boys that
Speaker 1: everybody loves and everybody's in his ear. We don't want
Speaker 1: him back. Maybe he's listening and appeasing that locker room
Speaker 1: to make everybody happy. You know, it's been quite a while.
Speaker 1: Why hasn't he come back yet. Well, he's injured, he's
Speaker 1: he could still come back and cut promos. He could,
Speaker 1: he could still be on television. I guess, as I do,
Speaker 1: people come back when they're injured. Maybe he's concerned for
Speaker 1: his safety at this point, with the less time he
Speaker 1: was there, he got jumped. I mean, that's and that's
Speaker 1: again the pylon. That's what I don't understand. He's the
Speaker 1: to me outsider, casual observer, not really following aw as
Speaker 1: a product. I'm following the drama as an unfold on
Speaker 1: social media. He's the victim. He's getting attacked left and
Speaker 1: right by everybody. Was he asked to come back do
Speaker 1: they want him in that locker room? Has he been
Speaker 1: offered to come back? There was a scenario where it
Speaker 1: looked like I guess he was coming back, but he's
Speaker 1: not cleared because of the injury. I don't know, so
Speaker 1: that's why. Yeah, again, there's a lot a lot of
Speaker 1: murky information out there. What's the Instagram post? So this
Speaker 1: is what he had put out on Instagram but then
Speaker 1: deleted very quickly. But in this world, it all takes
Speaker 1: is the post and then screen grab and it's all over. Yep.
Speaker 1: So he writes sy which that's the only part of
Speaker 1: this story where seam Punk has eat with me because
Speaker 1: cy that, come on, what are we fourteen year old girl? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean come on exactly, you're you're you're a girl. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's fine, you can say that punk. No. So that's
Speaker 1: where we have a little bit of no Punk, don't
Speaker 1: ever do that again. I wasn't cleared to come back
Speaker 1: to wrestle yet. Uh. Then plan was to wrestle at
Speaker 1: the pay per view. I sat and listened to Moxley's
Speaker 1: Rocky three idea. I explained how I'd never seen a
Speaker 1: Rocky movie. I uh, you know what I think this
Speaker 1: was too. I think he was writing a draft and
Speaker 1: I think he sent it by accident because there's a
Speaker 1: little bit of like weird text that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: I thought the idea sucked, but if the boss wanted
Speaker 1: to do it whatever he said, he wouldn't lose to me.
Speaker 1: I'd never experienced someone refusing to lose to me. I
Speaker 1: just laughed. I asked Tony if this is this what
Speaker 1: he wanted. He said yes, he's the boss. So I said, okay,
Speaker 1: but I need to be cleared first. They kept saying
Speaker 1: it could just be a squash, so I didn't need
Speaker 1: to be cleared. I scoffed at that. My health is
Speaker 1: more important. Dave Meltzer is a liar. Jericho is a
Speaker 1: liar and a stooge. There were plans, but plans always change.
Speaker 1: But I'll never put a company above my health ever again. Okay,
Speaker 1: So he called one of the top guys a liar
Speaker 1: and a stooge, which doesn't sit well, probably with Chris Right,
Speaker 1: doesn't sit well with John Moxley because he's basically saying,
Speaker 1: your idea is shit, and you know you don't want
Speaker 1: a job to me, And that's what I sent you
Speaker 1: this morning. Was the Moxley response. Yeah, okay, right, and
Speaker 1: I listened to it. Look, there's always going to be
Speaker 1: some kind of drama going on somewhere. I just feel like,
Speaker 1: my guess is everybody is in Tony's ear that does
Speaker 1: not want him there. And Tony is a yes guy,
Speaker 1: and he wants to be friends with everybody, and he
Speaker 1: wants to be one of the boys, and let's make
Speaker 1: twenty guys happy instead of one. Keep peace in the
Speaker 1: locker room. That's the easiest solution because it could be
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty. Punk could come back, and some of
Speaker 1: the fans that loved him after all this probably hate
Speaker 1: him because they're with the you know, with the other guys,
Speaker 1: like they don't think like you. Like maybe they thought,
Speaker 1: while it was Punk's fault, he deserved to get his
Speaker 1: ass kicked in the media thing. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: but maybe they think, like, what if he comes out
Speaker 1: and he doesn't get the reaction we thought he would get,
Speaker 1: and then what happens He's not as over as we
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna be. You don't know, We don't know.
Speaker 1: I just feel like Tony is probably wanting to appease
Speaker 1: the locker room more than he wants to appease one guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I think they all they're all threatened by him.
Speaker 1: I think the Jericho thing, there's heat with two of
Speaker 1: them dating back to when Punk left WWE, and Jericho
Speaker 1: reached out to him when he left to come on
Speaker 1: his podcast, and that was like where he wrote him off,
Speaker 1: and he was like, that's all you want, That's all
Speaker 1: you're concerned about is getting the story, and that's where
Speaker 1: they're back and forth kind of started. But to me,
Speaker 1: it looks like the reason people might not like him
Speaker 1: is because Punk carries himself differently than maybe Jericho does,
Speaker 1: where Jericho kind of evolves himself and hangs around the
Speaker 1: guys and maybe wants to be buddies and will listen
Speaker 1: to what you got to say. Punk will listen to you,
Speaker 1: but Punk's gonna tell you if something sucks. Punk's gonna
Speaker 1: give you nasty feedback, honestly. But people sing his praises
Speaker 1: and Punk say, Punk's great. Punk's this. He bought the
Speaker 1: locker room coffee and he listened to this, and he
Speaker 1: critiqued my match and did that. Jericho may want to
Speaker 1: go out drinking with you, to words and go party
Speaker 1: and you know, and then go to a concert. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's punk to be all say all of wrestling
Speaker 1: like it is his word. The final say, just because
Speaker 1: he thinks something sucks doesn't mean it sucks. But he's
Speaker 1: saying he asked if you ask if somebody says, hey, punk,
Speaker 1: can you watch my match, and they go to whim
Speaker 1: and they say, hey, blah blah blah blah blah to Jericho.
Speaker 1: You know, but what I'm saying, like, I think the
Speaker 1: punk got a reputation for not being approachable, right, ah,
Speaker 1: I got youa okay, but he was to some I
Speaker 1: think that some people just didn't think he was so Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he was a dick. Punk saying to an indie
Speaker 1: kid that match sucked. Here's why. Blah blah blah is
Speaker 1: one thing. Punk saying to a guy like John Moxley,
Speaker 1: this idea blows. I don't want to do it. That's
Speaker 1: another thing. You know. It's kind of like they're button heads.
Speaker 1: They're two top talents. You got one guy who's wanting
Speaker 1: to put the idea over and the other guy says,
Speaker 1: this is shit. I don't want to do that. So
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of you're clashing and there's a certain way,
Speaker 1: I think, especially with guys that are on the same, like,
Speaker 1: you know, the same level as you. You don't come
Speaker 1: off like he's an indie guy. You don't tell John, well,
Speaker 1: this sucks and you know, I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 1: There's a way to approach certain things, and like you
Speaker 1: just said, he has that certain aura about him, like
Speaker 1: he doesn't care who he's talking to. If I think
Speaker 1: it sucks, it sucks and I'm not doing it, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's gonna get your heat because you can't talk
Speaker 1: to top tier guys like that. Okay, it does come
Speaker 1: off as being the dick. So from your industry experience,
Speaker 1: in your professional ear, is that why Moxley was so
Speaker 1: pissed in that interview. I if I was John and
Speaker 1: it came to me that way. Yeah, I think the
Speaker 1: approach it's coming off is like an I'm better than you,
Speaker 1: my ideas are better than yours kind of deal, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, instead of like, well, let's just
Speaker 1: pick it apart and maybe we can change this to
Speaker 1: make this work out a little better. Like, there's ways
Speaker 1: to communicate with people. And obviously their communication wasn't very
Speaker 1: good because it's like, my idea is good. No, your
Speaker 1: idea sucks. No, my idea is better. No, I'm not
Speaker 1: doing that. There was no like middle ground to it.
Speaker 1: And maybe if they would have taken the time to
Speaker 1: maybe say, hey, let's change this, or let me explain
Speaker 1: rock the theme of Rocky to you. You never saw this,
Speaker 1: you know, let me explain how Rocky was and maybe
Speaker 1: punk was said, oh yeah, that's kind of cool. I
Speaker 1: never looked at it that way, like they have to
Speaker 1: expand on ideas to make somebody understand it if they don't,
Speaker 1: but don't come across as a jerk and say no,
Speaker 1: that sucks. I don't want to do that. But to me,
Speaker 1: there's just a way of talking to people. And if
Speaker 1: that's his attitude with everyone, then nobody wants to hear that.
Speaker 1: That's always if you approach something like that, it's always like, well,
Speaker 1: my ideas are better. No, I don't want to do that.
Speaker 1: Somebody came to you and said, you know, your new
Speaker 1: show sucks, and they're a fellow podcaster, right, and and
Speaker 1: you say, well, I kind of like, you know, my
Speaker 1: idea is and what no, man, it sucks. It just blows.
Speaker 1: They don't give you a reason why they just say
Speaker 1: it sucks. You should be like me, You should do
Speaker 1: it like me. Well, I don't want to do it
Speaker 1: like you. I want to do it like me. Everybody's
Speaker 1: stuck on what they think is right, what they believe in.
Speaker 1: But there has to be a common ground, there has
Speaker 1: to be a middle and maybe if they could have
Speaker 1: like picked something apart of work together, they could have
Speaker 1: agreed on something, not just shooting it down right away
Speaker 1: not understanding what the concept is. I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: Punk is just that guy who doesn't want to listen
Speaker 1: to other opinions. If that's what you're telling me, then
Speaker 1: I get where John's coming from, you know. But then again,
Speaker 1: I feel like two people should have say in the match.
Speaker 1: It should just be one person. It should be both
Speaker 1: of them coming together for the betterment of the company
Speaker 1: and of the match itself. Now, you know, I usually
Speaker 1: asked this, Have you experienced anything like it? Have you
Speaker 1: seen anything even remotely? Not even the drama, let's take
Speaker 1: more like the match breakdown, the Punk influence on that
Speaker 1: match finish when you're hearing Moxley, Have you seen anything
Speaker 1: like just completely fall apart like this where guys just
Speaker 1: cannot agree on a finish. And the other thing too,
Speaker 1: is that we can't discredit is where's I want? Where's
Speaker 1: Tony's input? Again? You know, Tony's a yes guy. He
Speaker 1: doesn't want to piss anybody off. So is he letting
Speaker 1: them handle it and you know, themselves and him just
Speaker 1: backing off, or is he letting the coach whoever is
Speaker 1: the coach involved in that, handle it, which the coach
Speaker 1: will probably just throw their hands up in the air
Speaker 1: and walk away. You know, it's like, you got you
Speaker 1: got two guys that have been in the business for years.
Speaker 1: What am I going to do about it? Let them
Speaker 1: handle it. I've seen instances where guys are trying to
Speaker 1: go over matches and I've literally heard them say I
Speaker 1: don't like that, and the other guy will say, okay,
Speaker 1: what do you got? Well I thought this, Well, no,
Speaker 1: I don't really like that. Well let's think of something.
Speaker 1: I've never ever seen two guys say well, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to do that because that sucks. I've never seen that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I've always saw like a communication,
Speaker 1: like people trying to work together to better it. I've
Speaker 1: never seen somebody flat out and say I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1: That sucks because that's an insult. You're insulting the other guy, right,
Speaker 1: who wants to work with someone like that? I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's just my take. If you're uncomfortable about a spot
Speaker 1: or a bump or something, you always should say something,
Speaker 1: but saying it in a nice way, Like my mom
Speaker 1: always said, uh, honey, you'll get you farther than vinegar
Speaker 1: or that, you know that old expression, like use honey
Speaker 1: instead of vinegar, Like be sweet instead of sour, because
Speaker 1: your sweetness will get you farther. Approach things with a
Speaker 1: better attitude, because if you come in with a shit attitude,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get anywhere. People are just gonna look
Speaker 1: at you and be like, Oh, that guy's got a
Speaker 1: chip on his shoulder. You know. I think he'll be back.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't mind seeing him wrestle again. I
Speaker 1: thought he was very talented, you know. But if it's
Speaker 1: going to cause all disruption in the locker room amongst everybody, like,
Speaker 1: is there anybody on punk side in that locker room? Anybody?
Speaker 1: Just one person? Does he have one friend there? Yeah? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean FTR loves him, Okay, And there was a
Speaker 1: couple of the younger guys. I think it was Powerhouse.
Speaker 1: Hobbs was another guy that came out and defended Punk.
Speaker 1: So he does have allies, and he does have some
Speaker 1: folks that do find him to be a nice fella.
Speaker 1: But you know, that's a very small group pileon. So
Speaker 1: I think he'll be back. But I think it's because
Speaker 1: the contract weighs a lot. I think he carries still
Speaker 1: a lot of weight in the sponsor world, and that's
Speaker 1: what we're here for, folks. We're here for the money.
Speaker 1: I you know, maybe he will come back and realize
Speaker 1: let's be a little more humble. If that's the case. Again,
Speaker 1: I you know, we weren't prevy to these conversations. It's
Speaker 1: he said. He said basically, you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 1: I didn't hear any of this firsthand, so I don't
Speaker 1: know what's going on. But if you come back with
Speaker 1: a better attitude and a team player attitude, then by
Speaker 1: all means, like I'd hold the door open for you
Speaker 1: because you want what's best for the company. I wrote
Speaker 1: down a quote from Moxley, and this probably fits the
Speaker 1: punk scenario, and this probably fits like everybody's mindset from
Speaker 1: whatever era of wrestling you come from. Moxley says, you
Speaker 1: have to evolve. Most people are stuck in whatever era
Speaker 1: of wrestling they came from, and that's probably where Punk's from.
Speaker 1: Whatever he came from, whatever he was around, it's probably
Speaker 1: where he's stuck and he just won't change. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: John's been around for a while too, But he in
Speaker 1: the interview, he says he evolved, he evolved, and he's
Speaker 1: going to ago he's yeah, yeah. If the business has changed,
Speaker 1: I'll say it, it's it's changed by leaps and bounds
Speaker 1: since I started completely different. So I agree with that
Speaker 1: statement one hundred. But I also feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: being being humble and not walking in like you're the
Speaker 1: shit will get you much farther in the business. And
Speaker 1: just you know, trying to just work with people and
Speaker 1: listen to their ideas even if you don't like them.
Speaker 1: There is a way to go about it and not
Speaker 1: be so rude. And maybe that's why people don't dig Punk.
Speaker 1: I don't know that that could be to me that
Speaker 1: that that would be my pet peeve, Like, don't come
Speaker 1: across like you're better than everyone else because we're all
Speaker 1: here for one goal. Well, you may be right. I
Speaker 1: may be crazy. I may be crazy, but that's about
Speaker 1: all I got was this was a good one. I
Speaker 1: like this. I like doing these hot topics for the week.
Speaker 1: This is our new thing. Man. Lookod look, we did
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Speaker 1: and I get an idea. Who it's good. Yeah, my
Speaker 1: back's all stiff. Now, I'm all. You're fine. It's good content.
Speaker 1: We need content. We got it. Yeah, yeah, all right,
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