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Speaker 1: This is Eyes up here, and you're listening to check

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Speaker 1: it out on all new Eyes of here on the

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Speaker 1: Creative Control Network. If you didn't know by now, my

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Speaker 1: name is Shannon. Every single week I'm joined here, of course,

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Speaker 1: by the one and only trademark Queen of Extreme, Francine,

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Speaker 1: and we are coming to you live here in audio format,

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Speaker 1: live from my studio here in the lovely state of Virginia.

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Speaker 1: You're from an undisposed location somewhere from the Queen's castle

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Speaker 1: in the trademark land of the Queen of Extreme. But

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Speaker 1: how the hell are you on this beautiful day we're recording?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well? How about yourself? I'm just ducky. It's

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Speaker 1: kind of cold this morning. But really, you know, sun's out,

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Speaker 1: guns out. You know, I'm locking and loading. You know,

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Speaker 1: as we're getting recorded, you know, you're you're quieting the

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Speaker 1: people in your house. I've been dealing with the friggin

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Speaker 1: cat sitting at the top of the damn steps over here,

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Speaker 1: crying for the last two to three days, like I

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Speaker 1: wanted to come down. We don't let the cat in

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Speaker 1: the basement, but holy shit, is it fucking annoying. Well,

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Speaker 1: the language, the language. No, the cat's annoying as hell.

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Speaker 1: It's sitting at the top of the steps going do

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Speaker 1: you think the cats in heat or she's fixed. She's

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Speaker 1: just crying. Oh okay, so she's she just wants to

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Speaker 1: come downstairs and play. Yeah, but she can't because she I,

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Speaker 1: annoying the ship. I'm trying to get my stuff done.

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Speaker 1: And then here is are you logging her yet? Are

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Speaker 1: you a petner? Are you holding her? I go up

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Speaker 1: and I give her. I show her the the You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm the I'm the dominant person in the house, so

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Speaker 1: male in the house. You're the only mail in the house. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know. Survival of the Fittest. That's why you have

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Speaker 1: that title, because the only I know I know what's

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Speaker 1: going on with you. This This is a kind of

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Speaker 1: a quiet week for me. You know, I am not

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Speaker 1: booked this weekend. This is the Russell Con weekend. By

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Speaker 1: the way, uh weekend weekend I usually go to Wrestle Khan,

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Speaker 1: but I opted not to go this year only because

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Speaker 1: was five days is way too long to be away,

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Speaker 1: you know, from my situation, so I opted to skip

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Speaker 1: this weekend. Now. The following weekend after that is Squared Circle,

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Speaker 1: which I had booked months and months and months before.

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Speaker 1: But I had already booked it and I'm kind of

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Speaker 1: everybody has a great weekend. I hope it's very successful

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Speaker 1: for everyone involved. Are you gonna watch WrestleMania. I will

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Speaker 1: check out WrestleMania at some point. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: because I know that since it's too I don't have

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Speaker 1: eight hours of time to spend watching WrestleMania. That's like

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Speaker 1: a shift of work if you're going to watch WrestleMania.

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Speaker 1: So I'll check out. I definitely want to see the

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Speaker 1: Cody Roman match for sure, and we'll talk about something

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Speaker 1: it's a magical time of year though. It's like Christmas

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Speaker 1: And again it's a positive story. She has a great

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Speaker 1: Paul said, if I can get one girl, that would

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Speaker 1: So can Congratulations to Barbie and her husband from me. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I you with Tests. I was supposed to be with really,

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Speaker 1: But you know, one of many misopportunities. I love the

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Speaker 1: There's an an odd opportunity for somebody. It's in a

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Speaker 1: company that's not WWE that I don't know if I

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Speaker 1: guess you'd be getting paid for it. But this is

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Speaker 1: a weird one, and we will talk about a missed

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Speaker 1: opportunity again for you in a crisscross company scenario. Christian

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Speaker 1: at WrestleMania. I don't know if I believe this one.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. If I'm Tony Kahan, why would I

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Speaker 1: let one of my top guys were for my rival promotion?

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Speaker 1: Why would I? It doesn't make sense to me unless

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Speaker 1: he Christian goes there with an ae W shirtle to

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Speaker 1: promote the company. But I don't see them agreeing to

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Speaker 1: something like that. So why would Tony let Christian work WrestleMania.

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Speaker 1: That's out there, man, that's like I don't know, but

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Speaker 1: but think about it. Mickey James went with a belt

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Speaker 1: for another company into WWE and worked her deal right

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Speaker 1: in the rumble, correct, So I mean, we never say never,

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Speaker 1: but this one, this one's a I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. What do you what do you think? I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna happen. Okay, I do think we'll

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Speaker 1: see Gangrel because Gangrel seems to be just everywhere these days.

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Speaker 1: As told us, he's pretty much, you know, a vampire

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Speaker 1: who just will not live big lives forever. I think

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Speaker 1: it's very hard to believe, especially with the investment that

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Speaker 1: Tony Kahm put into Christian, who paid him a lot

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Speaker 1: of money to come from WWE to AW. Why would

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Speaker 1: you want to enhance their biggest show of the year

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Speaker 1: with a guy you invested that much money into only

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Speaker 1: what two three years later? That makes no business sense whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: As cool as it would be, I could be off

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Speaker 1: the mark on this one, but I just can't see

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Speaker 1: Tony agreeing to this unless he gets something out of it.

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Speaker 1: What is AW going to get out of it? Are

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Speaker 1: they going to put over the rival promotion on WrestleMania.

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Speaker 1: I can't see that happening. I don't see it either.

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Speaker 1: That's a weird one. This is I don't know who

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Speaker 1: started this one, but it's interesting. It is interesting because

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Speaker 1: there's the rumblings of the Brood reunion, you know, the

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Speaker 1: darkness of the finn Balor group mixed with the darkness

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Speaker 1: of Edge and the Brood makes sense. It's there. It's

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Speaker 1: absolutely logical, but it's not because if one of the

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Speaker 1: guys is in the other promotion, it just can't happen.

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Speaker 1: Now Wwe did send Christian again to Impact for an

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Speaker 1: anniversary show, but all he did was present like an

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Speaker 1: award right in uttle and he was out there for

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Speaker 1: about a minute. Well, I mean, I look stranger. Things

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Speaker 1: have happened in this business. You never say never, like

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Speaker 1: I said earlier, but if this does happen, I will

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Speaker 1: really be shocked. I will be shocked. Like I would say,

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Speaker 1: he has to wear an AW shirt. He has there

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Speaker 1: has been the Brood. He can't wear an AW shirt

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Speaker 1: that he has to have some branding on him so

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Speaker 1: that company gets something out of his appearance. Are they

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Speaker 1: gonna on commentary? Are they gonna say, oh, it's it's

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Speaker 1: Christian from ae W. He's a ladies and that's that's

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Speaker 1: what it would have to be. They're not gonna do it.

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Speaker 1: They can't do that cause he comes out as if

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Speaker 1: they do the Brood thing and he is there when

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Speaker 1: we could eat our hats. If that's the case, he

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Speaker 1: would be wearing the Brood gimmick with the white shirt

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Speaker 1: and the sun aw acrust, the ruffles on the way

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Speaker 1: and Corey Graves, who likes to throw monikers out there

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Speaker 1: very loosely, he would say something like it's it's Gangrel,

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Speaker 1: it's Edge, and the one who's the elite member of

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Speaker 1: the brood, it's Christian. You know, I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I just feel like I feel like ae

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Speaker 1: W needs to get something out of that appearance. They

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Speaker 1: need to be recognized. That's the only like, if I

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Speaker 1: was Tony, that's the only way I'd let him do it,

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Speaker 1: because if they put him over as somebody from AW.

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. So let's go back

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Speaker 1: to what we talked about a million times ECW on RAW. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so obviously that was a conjoint that was a conjoint appearance,

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Speaker 1: that was a to promote barely legal Okay, it made sense,

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Speaker 1: you got, but you weren't there. We've talked about it.

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Speaker 1: It's on the YouTube channel, it's it's it's something that

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Speaker 1: you were not happy about because Shane did not want

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Speaker 1: to go. Yeah, okay, what what would have been the

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Speaker 1: more impactful moment Shane walking out on Monday Night Raw

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Speaker 1: or with all the heat that Shane had with the

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Speaker 1: WWF and everybody involved with the WWF and Vince or

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Speaker 1: Christian walking out on a WrestleMania being involved with AW

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Speaker 1: that's only been around for two or three years. What

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Speaker 1: would be a more impactful moment, you guys stepping through

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Speaker 1: that r AW the two of you, or Christian coming

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Speaker 1: up with that smoke and that fire with you know,

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Speaker 1: being involved with AW. What what do you think some

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Speaker 1: more impactful kind of like shockers promoter? I think for

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Speaker 1: me thinking back Shane and Vince, there was always some

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Speaker 1: heat there, right. I don't know if Christian has any

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Speaker 1: heat with the company, with with w w E. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if he left on good terms. I mean

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Speaker 1: people leave all the time, back and forth for money reasons.

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Speaker 1: Shane was different. There was like there was this heat

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Speaker 1: that they didn't like each other, and you know, Shane

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Speaker 1: has a tendency to bury people in public a little bit,

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Speaker 1: just a little bit, you know, so that it's it's

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Speaker 1: like it's a different dynamic when you know it's behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes the politics you're going on in one case

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Speaker 1: and maybe in the other case it was just like,

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Speaker 1: well he left for more money, you know, maybe there's

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Speaker 1: no bad blood with Christian. There was certain certainly bad

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Speaker 1: blood with Shane, so you would never expect Shane to

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Speaker 1: walk through that door. So I feel like that would

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Speaker 1: be a bigger shock because for somebody to keep saying,

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Speaker 1: I'll never work for him again, I'll never go back,

556
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: I'll never do this, and then you see them, it's like,

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Speaker 1: holy shit, where'd he come from? Whereas Christian? Oh wow,

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Speaker 1: it's Christian. He's getting a payday, he's working WrestleMania. I

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Speaker 1: don't hear Christian badmouthing WWE, right, I don't think there's

560
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Speaker 1: any bad blood between them. I kind of think that

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Speaker 1: they just parted ways for money reasons. Correct. So to me,

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Speaker 1: it would be somebody, whether it be Shane or whether

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Speaker 1: it be anyone who has heat, walking back into that company. Yeah. No,

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Speaker 1: I think that in that long run, even though aw

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Speaker 1: is what it is, that ECWWWF crossover to this day,

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Speaker 1: is still going to be the biggest, I think shocking

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Speaker 1: moment in wrestling history. To see ECW crossover that line

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Speaker 1: and come into the ww F ring is still to

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Speaker 1: me the most shocking thing ever. Now, it'll be cool

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Speaker 1: if Christian is there and that AWWWE crossover happens. It's

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Speaker 1: cool to me, It'll always be the fact, like Raven

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Speaker 1: comes through the the you know, the the entry way,

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Speaker 1: Shaboo jumps off the top of the side. Task is

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Speaker 1: in the ring doing the polls, the Dudley's drop, Sam

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Speaker 1: Man and the Dreamer in the three d If you

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Speaker 1: guys came through with crowd or did whatever you did,

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Speaker 1: literally would have been the most shocking moment. It would

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Speaker 1: be on one of those countdowns of shocking moments. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I feel like that's something that shouldn't be advertised.

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00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: It shouldn't that if we agreed to do that, that

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Speaker 1: k fame for as long as possible. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I desperately tried to talk Shane in the going just

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Speaker 1: like I can to the know that wasn't happening. So

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Speaker 1: sat home and watched it like every every other person

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Speaker 1: in the world, and it was bitter, super bitter that

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Speaker 1: I wasn't there. You know, in like a year, if

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Speaker 1: WWE is a part of the bet online community, good

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Speaker 1: thing we're not better is because if Christian shows up,

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Speaker 1: we would have lost. We never talked about that. How ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: You can't make this crap up because, first of all, okay,

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Speaker 1: I you know, I enjoy uh betting on certain things.

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Speaker 1: You know, I like the casino, I like to gamble

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Speaker 1: a little bit here and there. But betting on a

595
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Speaker 1: wrestling match is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard

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Speaker 1: in my life. You can't threaten. You can threaten the

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Speaker 1: people who work there as much as you want, but

598
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Speaker 1: something is always going to be leaked, right if I'm

599
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Speaker 1: a writer. I'm a writer, and I know what the

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00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: schedule is, and I know who's gonna win and lose.

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Speaker 1: I'm calling my cousin Fred and saying, put fifty on

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Speaker 1: us so and so because I got a tip. There's

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Speaker 1: no way this could happen. It is by far one

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Speaker 1: of the most idiotic things I have ever heard. Ever.

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Speaker 1: There's no way this could happen. I can't see it happening.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty dumb. I think it's because of the coverage

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00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: it gets now in mainstream sports. I think that's exactly why.

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Speaker 1: And it's I remember I've said this for years, there's

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00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: a blurred line now between the work and what wrestling

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Speaker 1: is portrayed as now to the fans, they it's reported

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Speaker 1: on as go to a wrestling site. Okay, what a

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Speaker 1: wrestler tweets in character is tweeted his news, as reported

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Speaker 1: his news. They forgot somewhere. It's a work. It's treated

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Speaker 1: as real information. Oh god, So because ESPN talks about it,

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Speaker 1: The New York Post talks about it, the Daily News,

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Speaker 1: you know, Washington, all these publications. Forbes talks about it,

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Speaker 1: Rolling Stone they talk about it. It blurred the line.

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Speaker 1: So now these betting sites are like, well, ship WrestleMania.

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Speaker 1: Millions of people watch it, so why not bet on it? Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's oh there's writers. We didn't know that. Gee, you

621
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Speaker 1: can bet at the end who's gonna win Indiana Jones

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Speaker 1: or the villain. It's just ridiculous to me. I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't understand it. I think they would lose tons

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Speaker 1: of money. I don't. I don't get it. I hope

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Speaker 1: it doesn't happen. I just think it's idiotic. It's just ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Who would have thought Superman wins at the end of

627
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Speaker 1: the Superman movie? Like, who do you think they'll have

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Speaker 1: like sub parlays where like, uh, if so and so

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Speaker 1: doesn't run in plus one press, yes I do. It's

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Speaker 1: so ridiculous, you know, ref bump, you know, like stupid,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna be stuff like that. It's unbelievable

632
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: that it would be unreal, and to me, it's unfortunate.

633
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: To me, it's another nail in the coffin of what

634
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: was professional wrestling. I hate to say it, and that's

635
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: very sad. Well, speaking of nails and coffins, is somebody

636
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: burying themselves a little too much lately? Which which person? Oh? Well,

637
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: the one I'm thinking about is the one we were

638
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: talking about this morning. Do we have any anybody else

639
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: before we go to our main topic today? No? No, no,

640
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, because I gotta tell you

641
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: you'll be surprised who side I'm on and all this. Well,

642
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: the way you said that, I'm thinking you're on punk side.

643
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: I'm team punk. What's your reasoning on that? Because before

644
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: you give an explanation, let me just say everyone in

645
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: the business who is commenting on this story, which recently

646
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: has blown up again, it kind of went down for

647
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: a little bit and now it's a thing again. Right,

648
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: Everyone who's commenting is so anti punk, so anti punk.

649
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: So what is the saving grace that you see that

650
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: you're on punk side, that it's such a pileon that

651
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: now it looks like there's an agenda to get rid

652
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: of the guy. But don't you think there's a pylon

653
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: because he brought it on himself. I'm usually that's what happens. Okay.

654
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: You see the response that he got when he came back. Yeah,

655
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: how many years were people chanting his name while he

656
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: was gone? You think it's jealousy? Yes, okay, could be,

657
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: could be. I'm not an insider, so I don't know.

658
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: I'm just like you. I'm looking, I'm reading, I'm looking

659
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 1: at clips, I'm watching what people are saying about the guy.

660
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: I knew him back in the day long time ago,

661
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: shared a locker room with him in MLW right when

662
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: ECW was done, still young sumpunk, still a youngster on

663
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: the scene, and then in the fake e C Dub

664
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: he was there and he was always super nice to me,

665
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: and to be honest with you, I never saw an

666
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: ego from him. But then again, I'm a chick and

667
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: I'm not competition, so you have to think of it

668
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: that way too. I get it. But every single person

669
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: that I see dislikes the guy, and it's like he

670
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: has a chip on his shoulder. He thinks his shit

671
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: doesn't stink. He really thinks he's the best in the world,

672
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: you know, and he's got this kind of like an attitude.

673
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: They're saying like that he's better than everybody else. And

674
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, like some people will argue your fact

675
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: and say, you know, maybe if one person says it,

676
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: it's not true, or maybe if two people, but tens

677
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: of hundreds of people who's worked with the guy are

678
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: saying it. Could it be him? Could there be something

679
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: going on? I don't know. I think there's a pile

680
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: on going on. I think there's a definite movement to

681
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: get him out. And to me, the unprofessionalism of the

682
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: guys that have shot on him in the ring, and

683
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: these promos that are now turned out to be shoots,

684
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: and you know, I've seen Eddie Kingston's promo on a

685
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: dynamite that was I guess we thought was a part

686
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: of a storyline, was now allegedly a shoot. All the

687
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: Adam Page stuff that we knew about before that was

688
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 1: a shoot in the ring that led to all the

689
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: stuff at the media scrum. I'm professionalism, and this guy's

690
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: getting attacked by everybody. But okay, I understand. You know,

691
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: you're getting bullet points in the back, and you get

692
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: to do your own promo because that's what we did.

693
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: We got bullet points, and we can go off on

694
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: a tangent say our own thing. But I mean, everybody

695
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 1: that is shooting on him, are they getting reprimanded when

696
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: they come through the curtains or is there is there

697
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: some kind of uh, you know, is Tony come and

698
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: going up to him? Or you really shouldn't have said that.

699
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: Are the coaches coming up to him? Is anybody getting

700
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: in trouble for this? See that? I mean that part

701
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: We don't know. Nobody's privy to that information as just

702
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: a casual observer somebody who is it? Because when you

703
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: go into business for yourself, sometimes it's you get in

704
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: trouble for it. You can get in a lot of trouble,

705
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: especially if they you know, if Tony wants him back

706
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: and he's letting all these guys go out and just

707
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: do these interviews where they're just annihilating him on live TV.

708
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: That's not a way to get somebody back, you know

709
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: what I mean? Because that makes me think management is

710
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: letting them have free reign and say what they want.

711
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: And it's not only the talent burying him, but it's

712
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: the company burying him so to speak, because management is

713
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: not doing a thing about it. They're letting them. So

714
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: what does that say, Does Tony want him back? I

715
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: would want to before I would think you want him

716
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: back because of the revenue personally, as if you're a businessman.

717
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 1: Back do you want him back when the whole locker

718
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: room is flat out saying he's a cancer to the

719
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: locker room. I don't want him in here? Do you

720
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: want to chaos among all your workers? Then, as the boss,

721
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: you go to your top lieutenants and you say you

722
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: need to get over yourself. You need to work with

723
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: him because as a business, we need to operate to

724
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 1: bring in the most money to operate and continue. Bottom line,

725
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: get over yourself. Work with the guy. He's professional enough

726
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 1: to work with you. So you move on, get over yourselves.

727
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: And so the Instagram story that he deleted I pulled up.

728
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: Did you get a chance to read it? No? But

729
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: wait before I forget this part. As your boss, you

730
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 1: just said that Tony wants to be one of the boys,

731
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: not so much a boss. So he's going to listen

732
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: in to the majority of that locker room. My opinion

733
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: from what I hear, I don't know. I'm not in

734
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: that locker room. That's what everybody hears. Everybody hears it.

735
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: So do I want to be a boss figure or

736
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: do I want to be one of the boys that

737
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: everybody loves and everybody's in his ear. We don't want

738
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: him back. Maybe he's listening and appeasing that locker room

739
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: to make everybody happy. You know, it's been quite a while.

740
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: Why hasn't he come back yet. Well, he's injured, he's

741
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 1: he could still come back and cut promos. He could,

742
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: he could still be on television. I guess, as I do,

743
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: people come back when they're injured. Maybe he's concerned for

744
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: his safety at this point, with the less time he

745
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: was there, he got jumped. I mean, that's and that's

746
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: again the pylon. That's what I don't understand. He's the

747
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: to me outsider, casual observer, not really following aw as

748
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: a product. I'm following the drama as an unfold on

749
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: social media. He's the victim. He's getting attacked left and

750
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: right by everybody. Was he asked to come back do

751
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: they want him in that locker room? Has he been

752
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: offered to come back? There was a scenario where it

753
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,439
Speaker 1: looked like I guess he was coming back, but he's

754
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: not cleared because of the injury. I don't know, so

755
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: that's why. Yeah, again, there's a lot a lot of

756
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: murky information out there. What's the Instagram post? So this

757
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: is what he had put out on Instagram but then

758
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: deleted very quickly. But in this world, it all takes

759
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: is the post and then screen grab and it's all over. Yep.

760
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: So he writes sy which that's the only part of

761
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 1: this story where seam Punk has eat with me because

762
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 1: cy that, come on, what are we fourteen year old girl? Well,

763
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: I mean come on exactly, you're you're you're a girl. Okay,

764
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: that's fine, you can say that punk. No. So that's

765
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,919
Speaker 1: where we have a little bit of no Punk, don't

766
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: ever do that again. I wasn't cleared to come back

767
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: to wrestle yet. Uh. Then plan was to wrestle at

768
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: the pay per view. I sat and listened to Moxley's

769
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: Rocky three idea. I explained how I'd never seen a

770
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: Rocky movie. I uh, you know what I think this

771
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: was too. I think he was writing a draft and

772
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: I think he sent it by accident because there's a

773
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: little bit of like weird text that doesn't make sense.

774
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 1: I thought the idea sucked, but if the boss wanted

775
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: to do it whatever he said, he wouldn't lose to me.

776
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 1: I'd never experienced someone refusing to lose to me. I

777
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: just laughed. I asked Tony if this is this what

778
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 1: he wanted. He said yes, he's the boss. So I said, okay,

779
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: but I need to be cleared first. They kept saying

780
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: it could just be a squash, so I didn't need

781
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: to be cleared. I scoffed at that. My health is

782
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: more important. Dave Meltzer is a liar. Jericho is a

783
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: liar and a stooge. There were plans, but plans always change.

784
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: But I'll never put a company above my health ever again. Okay,

785
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: So he called one of the top guys a liar

786
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: and a stooge, which doesn't sit well, probably with Chris Right,

787
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: doesn't sit well with John Moxley because he's basically saying,

788
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: your idea is shit, and you know you don't want

789
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: a job to me, And that's what I sent you

790
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: this morning. Was the Moxley response. Yeah, okay, right, and

791
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: I listened to it. Look, there's always going to be

792
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: some kind of drama going on somewhere. I just feel like,

793
00:49:55,719 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: my guess is everybody is in Tony's ear that does

794
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 1: not want him there. And Tony is a yes guy,

795
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: and he wants to be friends with everybody, and he

796
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: wants to be one of the boys, and let's make

797
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: twenty guys happy instead of one. Keep peace in the

798
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: locker room. That's the easiest solution because it could be

799
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty. Punk could come back, and some of

800
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: the fans that loved him after all this probably hate

801
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: him because they're with the you know, with the other guys,

802
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: like they don't think like you. Like maybe they thought,

803
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: while it was Punk's fault, he deserved to get his

804
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: ass kicked in the media thing. And I don't know,

805
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: but maybe they think, like, what if he comes out

806
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: and he doesn't get the reaction we thought he would get,

807
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: and then what happens He's not as over as we

808
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna be. You don't know, We don't know.

809
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: I just feel like Tony is probably wanting to appease

810
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: the locker room more than he wants to appease one guy. Yeah,

811
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: I just I think they all they're all threatened by him.

812
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: I think the Jericho thing, there's heat with two of

813
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: them dating back to when Punk left WWE, and Jericho

814
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: reached out to him when he left to come on

815
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: his podcast, and that was like where he wrote him off,

816
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: and he was like, that's all you want, That's all

817
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: you're concerned about is getting the story, and that's where

818
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: they're back and forth kind of started. But to me,

819
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: it looks like the reason people might not like him

820
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: is because Punk carries himself differently than maybe Jericho does,

821
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: where Jericho kind of evolves himself and hangs around the

822
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: guys and maybe wants to be buddies and will listen

823
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: to what you got to say. Punk will listen to you,

824
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: but Punk's gonna tell you if something sucks. Punk's gonna

825
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: give you nasty feedback, honestly. But people sing his praises

826
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: and Punk say, Punk's great. Punk's this. He bought the

827
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: locker room coffee and he listened to this, and he

828
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: critiqued my match and did that. Jericho may want to

829
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: go out drinking with you, to words and go party

830
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: and you know, and then go to a concert. Yeah,

831
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: but it's punk to be all say all of wrestling

832
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: like it is his word. The final say, just because

833
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: he thinks something sucks doesn't mean it sucks. But he's

834
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: saying he asked if you ask if somebody says, hey, punk,

835
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: can you watch my match, and they go to whim

836
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: and they say, hey, blah blah blah blah blah to Jericho.

837
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: You know, but what I'm saying, like, I think the

838
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: punk got a reputation for not being approachable, right, ah,

839
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: I got youa okay, but he was to some I

840
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: think that some people just didn't think he was so Yeah,

841
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: but he was a dick. Punk saying to an indie

842
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: kid that match sucked. Here's why. Blah blah blah is

843
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: one thing. Punk saying to a guy like John Moxley,

844
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: this idea blows. I don't want to do it. That's

845
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: another thing. You know. It's kind of like they're button heads.

846
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: They're two top talents. You got one guy who's wanting

847
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: to put the idea over and the other guy says,

848
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: this is shit. I don't want to do that. So

849
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of you're clashing and there's a certain way,

850
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: I think, especially with guys that are on the same, like,

851
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 1: you know, the same level as you. You don't come

852
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: off like he's an indie guy. You don't tell John, well,

853
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 1: this sucks and you know, I'm not gonna do it.

854
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: There's a way to approach certain things, and like you

855
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: just said, he has that certain aura about him, like

856
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: he doesn't care who he's talking to. If I think

857
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: it sucks, it sucks and I'm not doing it, you know,

858
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 1: And that's gonna get your heat because you can't talk

859
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: to top tier guys like that. Okay, it does come

860
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: off as being the dick. So from your industry experience,

861
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: in your professional ear, is that why Moxley was so

862
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: pissed in that interview. I if I was John and

863
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: it came to me that way. Yeah, I think the

864
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: approach it's coming off is like an I'm better than you,

865
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: my ideas are better than yours kind of deal, you

866
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: know what I mean, instead of like, well, let's just

867
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: pick it apart and maybe we can change this to

868
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 1: make this work out a little better. Like, there's ways

869
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: to communicate with people. And obviously their communication wasn't very

870
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 1: good because it's like, my idea is good. No, your

871
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: idea sucks. No, my idea is better. No, I'm not

872
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: doing that. There was no like middle ground to it.

873
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: And maybe if they would have taken the time to

874
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: maybe say, hey, let's change this, or let me explain

875
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: rock the theme of Rocky to you. You never saw this,

876
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: you know, let me explain how Rocky was and maybe

877
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: punk was said, oh yeah, that's kind of cool. I

878
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: never looked at it that way, like they have to

879
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 1: expand on ideas to make somebody understand it if they don't,

880
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: but don't come across as a jerk and say no,

881
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: that sucks. I don't want to do that. But to me,

882
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: there's just a way of talking to people. And if

883
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: that's his attitude with everyone, then nobody wants to hear that.

884
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: That's always if you approach something like that, it's always like, well,

885
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: my ideas are better. No, I don't want to do that.

886
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: Somebody came to you and said, you know, your new

887
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 1: show sucks, and they're a fellow podcaster, right, and and

888
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: you say, well, I kind of like, you know, my

889
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: idea is and what no, man, it sucks. It just blows.

890
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: They don't give you a reason why they just say

891
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: it sucks. You should be like me, You should do

892
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: it like me. Well, I don't want to do it

893
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: like you. I want to do it like me. Everybody's

894
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: stuck on what they think is right, what they believe in.

895
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: But there has to be a common ground, there has

896
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: to be a middle and maybe if they could have

897
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: like picked something apart of work together, they could have

898
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: agreed on something, not just shooting it down right away

899
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: not understanding what the concept is. I don't know. Maybe

900
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: Punk is just that guy who doesn't want to listen

901
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 1: to other opinions. If that's what you're telling me, then

902
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: I get where John's coming from, you know. But then again,

903
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: I feel like two people should have say in the match.

904
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: It should just be one person. It should be both

905
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: of them coming together for the betterment of the company

906
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: and of the match itself. Now, you know, I usually

907
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: asked this, Have you experienced anything like it? Have you

908
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: seen anything even remotely? Not even the drama, let's take

909
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: more like the match breakdown, the Punk influence on that

910
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: match finish when you're hearing Moxley, Have you seen anything

911
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: like just completely fall apart like this where guys just

912
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 1: cannot agree on a finish. And the other thing too,

913
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: is that we can't discredit is where's I want? Where's

914
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: Tony's input? Again? You know, Tony's a yes guy. He

915
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: doesn't want to piss anybody off. So is he letting

916
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: them handle it and you know, themselves and him just

917
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: backing off, or is he letting the coach whoever is

918
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: the coach involved in that, handle it, which the coach

919
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: will probably just throw their hands up in the air

920
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: and walk away. You know, it's like, you got you

921
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 1: got two guys that have been in the business for years.

922
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: What am I going to do about it? Let them

923
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: handle it. I've seen instances where guys are trying to

924
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 1: go over matches and I've literally heard them say I

925
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 1: don't like that, and the other guy will say, okay,

926
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: what do you got? Well I thought this, Well, no,

927
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: I don't really like that. Well let's think of something.

928
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: I've never ever seen two guys say well, I'm not

929
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: going to do that because that sucks. I've never seen that.

930
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I've always saw like a communication,

931
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: like people trying to work together to better it. I've

932
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: never seen somebody flat out and say I'm not doing that.

933
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: That sucks because that's an insult. You're insulting the other guy, right,

934
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: who wants to work with someone like that? I don't know.

935
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: That's just my take. If you're uncomfortable about a spot

936
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: or a bump or something, you always should say something,

937
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: but saying it in a nice way, Like my mom

938
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: always said, uh, honey, you'll get you farther than vinegar

939
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: or that, you know that old expression, like use honey

940
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: instead of vinegar, Like be sweet instead of sour, because

941
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: your sweetness will get you farther. Approach things with a

942
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: better attitude, because if you come in with a shit attitude,

943
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get anywhere. People are just gonna look

944
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: at you and be like, Oh, that guy's got a

945
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,439
Speaker 1: chip on his shoulder. You know. I think he'll be back.

946
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't mind seeing him wrestle again. I

947
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: thought he was very talented, you know. But if it's

948
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: going to cause all disruption in the locker room amongst everybody, like,

949
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: is there anybody on punk side in that locker room? Anybody?

950
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: Just one person? Does he have one friend there? Yeah? Well,

951
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: I mean FTR loves him, Okay, And there was a

952
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: couple of the younger guys. I think it was Powerhouse.

953
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: Hobbs was another guy that came out and defended Punk.

954
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: So he does have allies, and he does have some

955
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: folks that do find him to be a nice fella.

956
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: But you know, that's a very small group pileon. So

957
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: I think he'll be back. But I think it's because

958
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: the contract weighs a lot. I think he carries still

959
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: a lot of weight in the sponsor world, and that's

960
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: what we're here for, folks. We're here for the money.

961
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,919
Speaker 1: I you know, maybe he will come back and realize

962
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: let's be a little more humble. If that's the case. Again,

963
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: I you know, we weren't prevy to these conversations. It's

964
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: he said. He said basically, you know what I'm saying. Like,

965
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: I didn't hear any of this firsthand, so I don't

966
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: know what's going on. But if you come back with

967
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: a better attitude and a team player attitude, then by

968
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: all means, like I'd hold the door open for you

969
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: because you want what's best for the company. I wrote

970
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: down a quote from Moxley, and this probably fits the

971
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: punk scenario, and this probably fits like everybody's mindset from

972
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: whatever era of wrestling you come from. Moxley says, you

973
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: have to evolve. Most people are stuck in whatever era

974
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: of wrestling they came from, and that's probably where Punk's from.

975
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: Whatever he came from, whatever he was around, it's probably

976
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: where he's stuck and he just won't change. Yeah, but

977
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: John's been around for a while too, But he in

978
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: the interview, he says he evolved, he evolved, and he's

979
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: going to ago he's yeah, yeah. If the business has changed,

980
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: I'll say it, it's it's changed by leaps and bounds

981
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: since I started completely different. So I agree with that

982
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: statement one hundred. But I also feel like, you know,

983
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: being being humble and not walking in like you're the

984
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: shit will get you much farther in the business. And

985
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: just you know, trying to just work with people and

986
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: listen to their ideas even if you don't like them.

987
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: There is a way to go about it and not

988
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: be so rude. And maybe that's why people don't dig Punk.

989
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: I don't know that that could be to me that

990
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: that that would be my pet peeve, Like, don't come

991
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: across like you're better than everyone else because we're all

992
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: here for one goal. Well, you may be right. I

993
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: may be crazy. I may be crazy, but that's about

994
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: all I got was this was a good one. I

995
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: like this. I like doing these hot topics for the week.

996
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: This is our new thing. Man. Lookod look, we did

997
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: an hour. I know. I told you we can either

998
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: go thirty minutes and we can going out. I'm telling you,

999
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: and I get an idea. Who it's good. Yeah, my

1000
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: back's all stiff. Now, I'm all. You're fine. It's good content.

1001
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: We need content. We got it. Yeah, yeah, all right,

1002
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: Well that's about all I got. I would stress very

1003
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: heavily for those listening to head on over to the

1004
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: Queen of Extremes official YouTube YouTube page. Easy for me

1005
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: to say, at the Queen of Extreme Franccene ECW on YouTube.

1006
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: Really it's the Eyes of her Experience. Yeah, or just

1007
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: type in the ECWDVA Francine in the search bar. Yes,

1008
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: there's a membership tab that you would click if you

1009
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 1: go to that page and on there again, the Eyes

1010
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: of your Experience. You'll get a lot of eyes up here.

1011
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:38,479
Speaker 1: You're gonna get access to some videos which include watch

1012
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: alongs which on creative control. You've heard in the past,

1013
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: we've posted some of the audio versions of those before,

1014
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: but now you can actually get to see them and

1015
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: they're on YouTube. We're going to be posting them a

1016
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: little bit at a time, but you also get the

1017
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: classic videos that we do post on the YouTube channel

1018
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: again a little bit more at a time, and it's

1019
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: gonna keep growing. But I'll let the Queen of Extreme

1020
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: talk about that in a minute, because you're gonna go

1021
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: over and you're gonna follow me on Twitter at Chad

1022
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: emb on Instagram at I be Exclusives, and my website

1023
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 1: Ibexclusives dot com and your new show and my new show.

1024
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: It's on YouTube right now, just exclusively. It's perfectly rated

1025
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: and you can just type perfectly rated into the search

1026
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: bar at YouTube. Just throwing up some clips for the

1027
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: moment and just seeing how the clips are going, and

1028
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, slowly but surely, just gaining a

1029
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: little bit steam and seeing how it goes. But appreciate

1030
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: everybody that's sent me messages telling me they liked what

1031
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: they've seen so far. So I appreciate that very much. Awesome. Okay, Well,

1032
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: across the board on social media, you can find me

1033
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: at ECWDVA Frean Scene and yes, YouTube is the big

1034
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 1: thing right now for me, I think y'all know we're

1035
01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: not doing the Patreon anymore. This is take the place

1036
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: of the Patreon and it is cheaper. It is a

1037
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: lot cheaper as well, five bucks for a channel membership,

1038
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: and like Chad said, we're doing all kinds of special

1039
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Speaker 1: features on there. There will be all kinds of stuff

1040
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: that you can watch. We're planning to do a lot

1041
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Speaker 1: of lives coming up. I have a lot of guests

1042
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Speaker 1: lined up for future broadcasts. So if you have not subscribed,

1043
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: please go over and subscribe to the channel. We'd love

1044
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: to have you over there. We also do giveaways, lots

1045
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Speaker 1: of prizes, signed merch It's a lot of fun and

1046
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Speaker 1: I really wanted to expand and grow and we're looking

1047
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Speaker 1: forward to having you become part of the family. So

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