WEBVTT - Episode 86: Magic: The Gathering 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:11.600 Hello, and welcome to another edition of Nerdificent Time. One 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:14.280 half of your host, Danny Fernandez, and sitting across from 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:17.880 me is how are you doing? We have another person 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:22.040 here with us. Yes, he is a comedian. He has 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:26.360 a new special called Dog Stepfather. You can actually watch 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:29.960 it for free on YouTube right now, has thousands and 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:34.680 thousands of views. And that is our friend Mark Ellis. Hello, team, Hey, 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:37.920 how's it going? How's how's my voice sounding? After all? 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:41.760 Are you trying to? Mark is actively very far away 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:44.680 from the mike because he has a radio voice and 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:47.800 it booms. I feel like everybody, if if you're talking 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.080 normally you can talk into the mike. This is this 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:52.519 is me talking into the mic. And I feel like 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:55.040 if I have this amazing radio voice and we're doing 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:58.000 a podcast, I feel like everybody else should have to 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:01.080 adjust to me. But I always find my itself making 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:03.600 the adjustment. So does that sound good? In yours? My 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:06.560 blowing and my blow? Nobody will know what you're talking 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:09.280 about because the engineer, like Zach Or, he's going to 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:13.039 adjust the sound so to them it'll just sound normal. 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:15.360 I feel like it's it's that senior right as everyone 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:17.800 gets right before Thanksgiving. We all know we shouldn't be 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.560 working right now. Yeah, it's that like you're just about 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:23.959 to take a nice long break for for holidays plural, 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:26.040 whether it's like Thanksgiving or Christmas. Then you got a 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:27.880 little bit of work wedged in between there, but a 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:30.920 lot of parties and stuff too. So everybody's preparing to 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:34.600 put on ten to fifteen pounds. Yes, I mean, are 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:38.240 you traveling for Thanksgiving? Traveling for Thanksgiving, going to Florida 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:42.000 for Christmas, going to Virginia, amongst other places. I might 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:45.160 wage a Seattle in there. I'm doing a college in 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:49.480 Wisconsin in the middle of December, worried about running a 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:51.880 car and driving in the snow and all that stuff. 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:54.760 So it's the you know, the special is doing great, 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:56.520 and now I'm just working on the next one. And 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:58.360 in order to do that, in order to hone that 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:02.120 new hour, sometimes you gotta go to Wisconsin Stevens Point 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:06.320 in December. Shout out all my Wisconsin Stevens Point listeners. 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:09.560 Now they're hype, they're on. They're like, Yeah, it's one 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:11.160 of those things where like you look at a map 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:14.080 and clearly I can't fly right into Wisconsin Stevens Points 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.400 because they have like a little municipal airport where like 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:18.919 Harrison Ford would fly as World War two planes out 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:21.080 of So I need to either land in Milwaukee or 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:23.760 Minneapolis and run a car and drive like three hours. 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:27.640 So a lot of look, kids, comedy isn't all just 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:30.240 being adored on stage and standing ovations. A lot of 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:32.800 it is renting a car. Yeah, I mean I was 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:35.680 thinking of Seattle soon too. We should we should go together. 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:38.880 That'd be fun. See. I was a great great place 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:43.080 for stand up, lots of lots of coffee, um coffee fish. 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:46.360 And it's a great place for Halloween. What trigger treating 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:51.440 in Halloween in Halloween on Halloween in Seattle because my niece, 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:55.239 my niece lives up there, as does her parents, and 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:58.320 uh and my little nephew now, and she wanted everybody 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:02.200 to be Harry Potter characters for Halloween. And so she's 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:04.040 she she looked at me and she took a pause 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.560 like she was building up this thing. She's like, uncle Mark, 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:10.440 I want you to be Harry. And I'm like, oh, 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:13.480 that's the role. I just can't have a baby face 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:16.760 as soon as I put the glasses. So so you know, 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:18.480 I have friends like work at Warner Brothers and stuff. 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:20.000 So I I have like the real stuff. I have, 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:21.960 like a real Griffin door robe and like the glasses. 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:24.160 As soon as I put the glasses on, it's like, Damn, 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:27.919 I look like I look like I look like Harry Potter, 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:31.080 Like after he hasn't cast a spell in about fifteen 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:33.680 twenty years, you know, he's still wearing his Griffin door 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.200 rope like it's his varsity jacket from high school and 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:38.640 still trying to get into all the cool college parties. 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:42.040 That's that's the Harry Potter I am. But I pulled 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:45.280 it off in uh in Seatt at a raging, raging, 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:50.560 downtown Halloween party. Crazy did she do a kickstand? She 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.680 was so high on sugar that time that that I 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:58.120 but I did get to negotiate with her. I got 0:03:58.160 --> 0:03:59.880 a I believe I got a Snickers out of haven't 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:02.960 had Snickers in like ten years, and god, it's just 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:07.880 it's the goat. Snickers is the goat of of candy. 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.720 So thanks for having me on to talk about that. Guys, Mark, 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:13.840 we've been starting out our show with what you're seeking 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:17.800 out about, speaking out about this week I do I 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:20.359 want you all to go first, sure, I think I 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:22.960 said baby Yoda last week, but the baby Yoda fever 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:26.480 has just gone out the wall. Put I call him 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:31.760 baby Yodi around the house, and people have tagged me 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:36.159 in so much Yodi art and uh the memes, and 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:41.240 I just can't. Like there's ice screen captured um him, 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:43.599 like when they're pulling him away and he's like making 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.640 this little crying sound. And I've watched it like forty times. 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:50.799 It's a problem. It's a problem. Uh. Yodi is also 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:55.400 the nickname of Mark Riley, legendary competitor. So he goes 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:57.760 by Yodi because we had someone on our show and 0:04:58.240 --> 0:04:59.840 she didn't know that he was doing a Yoda p 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.679 and so she said yo d So that name stuck, 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:06.159 and now we have baby Yodi. I call him baby though. 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:10.560 That's little little Yodi, little little Yoda. Uh huh. If 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:13.839 I give you the choice right now, you can you 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.320 can either have a baby Yodie around the house or 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:20.040 you can keep Molly. He this man, Okay. So Mark's 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:24.080 special is called dog Stepfather because he's the stepfather of 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:25.840 my dog. I keep trying to explain to him that 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:28.320 he's just the dad of my dog. That there is 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.400 no other man, so he was just the step dad. 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:33.640 I mean, you're not the stepdad, you're the dad, but 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.880 he likes it better. I think it's you're not you 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:40.400 don't have as much responsibility. Yeah, I'm a little bit 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:42.800 of if I was. If I was a direct dad, 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.400 i'd be like a deadbeat dad to Molly. But as 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:47.920 the stepdad, I think I'm like, you know, I come 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:50.479 in at the right time and and she she's always 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:53.560 happy to see me. Anyway, when you really look at 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:57.159 we're all step fathers. Of like we're all stepfathers and 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:01.160 like nobody actually had gave birth to a to Okay, 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:02.960 this has gotten off the walls. What I was going 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:05.039 to say is Mark and I dated years ago. My 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:10.000 dog familiar. My dog thinks that that's her dad is 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:13.360 Mark um but wait oh yeah, And ever since then 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:15.920 he's been trying to get her by like, hey, I'll 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:18.000 give you this if you give me the dog the 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:21.400 adoption papers. I've offered some nice trade bait for Molly, 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:24.080 and it seems like, you know, I'm this close, If 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:26.400 I'm this close, yeah, yeah, I mean, it's all about 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:29.440 the art and the deal, the art of the deal, 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.000 you know. Wait, so baby Yoda. I think I said 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:35.600 last week this week this week, I'm actually I can't 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:38.159 remember if I said this, but I'm actually on the 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:41.799 c W this weekend. You can watch me this Sunday 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.680 after Supergirl. So they're doing Crisis on Infinite or so 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:46.520 it's like a big crossover between all the c W 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:51.000 superhero shows. Kevin Smith is hosting an after show. We 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:55.600 have a bunch of guests, some people canonically involved in 0:06:56.320 --> 0:07:02.040 uh this in d C. That is such a perfect 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.960 use of the word I can't even say it. Canonically 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:08.760 that's one of my favorite words. Um. But yeah, people 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.760 that are going to pop up from other DC franchises 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:15.000 will be there. So anyways, you can watch me uh 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:18.520 this Sunday, eight pm or after Supergirl. So there you go. 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:20.440 That's what I'm getting out about. Mark. Oh you wanted 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:22.239 if he? If he? What are you speaking out about? 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:24.360 I need to see what my competition is. I give 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:27.640 away mind. I'm getting out about the game that was 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:31.040 released called Jedi Fall in Order. It's a it's a 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:34.960 new YEA game. It's super fun you play. It's takes 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.320 place between uh. I guess, so which which movies would 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:42.120 that be? My belief? It is after Revenge of the Sith. Yeah, 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:45.160 but it's like there has fallen the Oh wait, the 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:47.800 Empire's falling, No, know, the Empire has written Yeah, I 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:51.920 think the Empire has risen, and as they initiated Order 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:54.520 sixty six to execute all the Jedi, and then now 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:56.800 that's carried out to the rest of the galaxy. So 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:58.960 it's like all these Jedi are kind of on the run. Yeah, 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:01.320 And so you're playing one Jedi who's been laying low 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:04.520 until uh he kind of is discovered and now he 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:07.840 has to reconnect with the Force to try and create 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:11.120 a new generation of Jedi, which is interesting because like 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:14.520 I've seen the other movies, so we kind of know 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:18.080 how this is all gonna shake out, right. I always 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:20.960 get myself though, like, well, the galaxy is so big 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:24.360 that maybe this maybe the same story that we see 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:27.600 in Star Wars the Classic trilogy is also happening in 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.080 some other corner of the well. Also, like the way 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:32.200 I look at it too, is like, you know, we're 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:35.120 about to get the last movie. These all are coming out, 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:40.160 So anything like from the Mandina Mandalorian series, this could 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:43.160 be dropping some new information that's gonna be like played 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:45.360 out in the final movies. So who knows. I'm on 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:47.640 record if we got baby Yoda and the mandarrant, I 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.640 went baby Emperor Palpatine, and that's the one that's doing 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:52.920 the laugh and I want a Baby Yoda versus Baby 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:57.440 Palpatine show off, and that's the that's the someone did. 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:05.000 Someone sent me a picture of a sonogram of Emperor Palpatine, 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:08.640 and so you can, like see sonogram. It's just like 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.360 and we're only in the no pun intended infancy of 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.160 all of this, this other kind of baby Star Wars stuff. 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:18.600 So Bucky your safety Belton's it's like the baby Muppets, 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:22.320 but for Star Wars. Oh my god, Nanny is the 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:24.960 is the is the actual villain of the universe. Um 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:27.160 So the thing I'm speaking out about is like, I 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:28.640 know a lot of you gamers are gonna side with 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:31.720 Iffy on this and say, oh, Jedi Fallen Order, that's 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:33.839 the video game everybody needs to play. I went, I 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:36.680 went a different route. I went back to my roots 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.280 and the roots of video games in general. I downloaded 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:43.480 Desert Golf from the app Store for two dollars. Let 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:47.320 me tell you about a great way to kill ten 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:49.920 minutes to kill three hours if you're on an airplane. 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:54.480 This requires no WiFi. It's just golf and it never ends, 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.760 it never resets you just you just keep playing holes 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:02.000 in the desert forever. And I keep because I'm such 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:04.600 a like a like a nerd about sports and stats. 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:07.040 I it's like I'm playing tournaments, so I keep my 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.760 four round score and I'm writing it down in my 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:13.800 notes section, so I record everything. And uh, if you 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:16.240 want a great way to waste time and get and 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:18.600 it gets a little addictive, but it's also just like 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.840 a fun way if you're at the dentist office, or 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:23.120 if you are on a cross country flight, or maybe 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.480 you're going to Wisconsin Stevens Point and you need to 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:28.720 kill some time during a weather delay. Download the Desert 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:31.079 Golf app. It's like a two dollar, one time purchase 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:35.200 and it is a lifetime enjoyment. I'm playing a different 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:37.600 golf app. It's like a mini golf app, but it's 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.679 from Mini Clip, which takes me back because that was 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:44.000 the flash site that I used to play in high school. Yeah, 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:47.280 but another classic game that's on the iPhone that you 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:52.440 can download is Missed. Is it yeable? Yeah? M Y 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:55.360 S T it's available on the App Store, and I'm 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:59.440 stuck all over again, so I'm not gonna beat this either. Yeah. 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:01.280 I remember point and missed and being like like that 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:03.480 might have been the game where it's like, look, thinking's 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:07.440 really hard and I'd rather just like rescue a princess. Yeah. 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:10.080 Can I tell you I've been secretly laughing over here 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:14.720 since you made the Muppets reference, because I remember sending 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:17.360 you a tweet last week that was a Muppets tweet 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:19.640 and you didn't get it, and then I read it 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:22.000 out loud to you and just laughed for five minutes. 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:25.400 I got it. You didn't think it was funny. It's 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:27.000 it's not I didn't think it was funny. It's just 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:29.720 that this thing had like thirty million retweets, and I'm like, 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:31.559 I just the tweet was it's hard for me to 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:34.160 understand why it caught fire. It's not disparaging the tweet. 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:35.760 I just like, if you, I'll read it to. The 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.760 tweet was I hate the Muppets because of the pig girl. 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:41.560 She was disgusting. I hate her with my life. She 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:47.880 doesn't leave the lizard alone. And Mark was like, I 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:51.200 don't get it. I just thought that there was some 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.360 other thing I was missing, which is why this She 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:58.280 doesn't leave the lizard a lot. It's funny. It's funny. Anyways, 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:03.400 we're talking about Magic the Gather everyone, Mark, this is 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:05.240 something near and dear to your heart, as you have 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:09.719 very expensive Magic the Gathering cards. I was gonna say, 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:11.440 it's near and dear to my heart and my wallet. 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:13.880 I'm just I'm waiting for the right time to to 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:18.880 offload all of these priceless artifacts. Um. But with Magic 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:21.480 the Gathering, I mean, I my love affair with Magic 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:23.520 the Gathering start in the mid nineties when my little 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:27.200 brother introduced me to it at my dad's office after school, 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:31.040 and from there, I just like I've always been obsessed 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:32.800 with I don't play it that much anymore, but it's 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:34.960 just one of those things where I just love so 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:37.240 many elements about the game. Let me just tell people 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:39.280 a little bit about it before we hop into how 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:41.920 you got into this for an hour by myself who 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:46.960 created Magic the Gathering Doctor, You're correct, Mark, Yeah, and 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:51.080 it was. I would have sworn that it was before then. 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:53.640 He just feels like it's been around for so long. 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.120 It's just it's always been It's always been a thing, 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.040 and I didn't realize at the time how much on 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:00.960 the ground for was. I kind of got in on 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:03.760 like the second floor of magic the Gathering. I got 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:06.240 in on like the fourth Yeah, because I got in 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:09.320 and like the late late ninety four, I think, was 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:13.480 when the third Edition revised early had come out. Um, 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:15.480 that's a very nice way of saying I'm older than you. Well, 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.600 a lot of people listening might not have been born then. Um, well, 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:22.040 hello listener, thanks for your patronage. Please help support the 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:25.000 fund to get me into a retirement community. Um. Actually 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:26.280 I don't need your help because I have all these 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:31.240 Magic Gathering cards that are probably um. But yeah, so 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:33.520 it was around that time, and so there were there 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:35.839 were kind of three and a half editions that had 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:39.120 come out. There was Alpha, which which is known for 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:41.960 the black boarder um and a different kind of cut 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:44.960 of card, and those are like kind of priceless at 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:48.840 this point. Then you had Beta, which are some in existence. 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:52.840 Then you had unlimited series, and then third Edition revised 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.680 was the one that took it to another level. But 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:59.320 even those cards are worth a crap ton of money. Now. Yeah, 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:04.160 so this is kind of wild because yeah, so it um. 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:06.600 Over the last twenty five years, the franchise has exploded 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:10.760 digital games, novels. Who's bringing the Magic Gathering? They had 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:14.600 a partnership with My Little Pony thousand dollar prize tournaments. 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:17.000 Don't know why you're not in that mark. Twenty million 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:21.080 players worldwide, twenty billion cards in circulation. That's why there's 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:24.000 so many. Those things are so competitive now. Like, I 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:26.640 was always a pretty good player of the game. I 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:28.640 love the strategy of it, but I was never a 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:31.720 great Like in my local comic book shop, they had 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:35.040 Magically Gathering tournaments like once every two months or so, 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:37.840 and it usually ended up being me in the finals 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:40.800 against my buddy Doug, and Doug beat me every time. 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.600 Is your little town in Virginia? This is This is Williamsburg, 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:50.840 Virginia's colonial colonial Williamsburg. To gather, you're just like playing 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:55.000 by candle light. Yeah, we had to ride in a 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:58.240 carriage to get there. Uh. Doug is the Doug's doing well? 0:14:58.240 --> 0:14:59.680 He lived out here for a little bit. He's actually 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:02.080 the Doug whose couch I slept on for three months 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.520 when I moved out, So he's had you beat for 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:08.640 a long time. If you only knew the half of 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:10.720 it if but so I made it to the finals 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:12.760 a bunch, so like in the nineties, like the joke was, 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.440 I was the Buffalo Bills of Magic, the gatherings. I 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:17.520 could get to the super Bowl but not win it. 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.560 But um, yeah, I I think that That's when I 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:23.320 got hooked on, just the fact that it's a collectible 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:26.240 card game. So right from the get go, you have 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:29.200 me intreatue because I grew up like collecting sports cards 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:31.640 like baseball and football cards. I love them. And so 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:34.680 now you have these things that are, you know, appealing 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.280 to my nerd sensibility, but they also are of value. 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:39.960 You have three rankings of cards. You have common cards 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:42.000 on common cards and rare cards, and the rare cards 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:43.680 can be worth a lot of money, and so you 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:45.840 have that, But then you also have this competitive angle 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:49.160 where you have to put together a deck that is 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:52.600 going to defeat somebody else. Because the whole thing with 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:55.320 magic is that you and your opponent both take on 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.960 the role of wizards in this other world called Dominia, 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:00.480 and you're casting spells to try to hate down the 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:02.400 life points from the other person. Each start out with 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:04.280 twenty life points. Whoever gets the other person down to 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.960 zero life points first wins that duel. So they were 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:11.320 actually inducted into the Toy Hall of Fame earlier this year, 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:15.760 alongside the matchbox car and the coloring book. That's wild 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:18.520 because the coloring book is like, I mean, it's just 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:22.280 everyone uses. That's like being in the text book. I 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:24.800 would just I would love to be at that ceremony, 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:30.120 Like it's like Krans we conducted Krans and and magic 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:33.480 the gathering who gives the speech for coloring books like 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:36.120 here to accept the award word for coloring, but I 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:39.240 didn't look. I just like to thank Crans. Colored pencils 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:42.200 wouldn't be out here without you either. And yeah, so 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.920 I don't know what the Toy Hall of Fame inductees 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.560 or ceremonies like, but I imagine it's a great time 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:52.240 and magic is worth that, uh not acknowledgment in case 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:54.680 there's some magic. The gathering listeners who aren't o g 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:56.720 s and they're listening and they want to I'm actually 0:16:56.760 --> 0:17:01.120 you for saying that there's three rarities. Mythic card rarety 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:04.800 wasn't introduced until two thousand eight. October two th eight, 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:07.679 with the shards of a Laura Block. So now so 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:10.720 now there are four levels of rare. After rare, there's 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:12.920 mythic rare, and of course it was introduced to drive 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:17.119 up sales. But yeah, but yeah, now there's four levels, 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:20.120 but back then it only was rare. Two thou eight 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:23.840 was after well after my hey day. But yeah, because 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:26.320 they've done things like that, and they introduced like foil 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:29.160 cards that are rare cards, which is which is something 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:31.920 that that sports car companies have done in the nineties 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.880 to try to drive up those prices because you want 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.240 your things to be valuable. And as somebody who has 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:40.440 collected Magic the Gathering Cards for over twenty five years, 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:43.560 now that's the huge question for me is when does 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:46.639 this bubble burst? Because at some point the apocalypse is 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:49.840 gonna happen and nobody is going to care about Magic 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:51.960 the Gathering Car. Dude, I've been telling you to sell 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.840 your cards. Now, well, it's so funny because like it 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:58.159 always fluctuates like the stock market. Like I think, you know, 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:01.440 your cards passed a certain point will be worth money 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:04.760 because they're just old. But because you have game modes 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:10.160 like uh a legacy and you have you know, uh, 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:14.480 what is it called commander um, you know, d h um. 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:17.720 And then there's which one is the other one? It's 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:24.159 I did a tournament for too modern uh so those 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:28.399 those sets usually use older cards. So really it's just 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:32.560 the meta also still affects cards that you have from 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:35.879 way back. You know, they're exclusively collectors items to like, 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:37.760 nobody in the right mind would ever play with these, 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.320 and and and it's it's interesting when you watch magic 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:44.040 tournaments happen now as any time Danny, as you can attest, 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:46.399 any time I go to a convention like a like 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:48.879 Comic Con or something like that, I always look for 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:51.080 where Wizards of the Coast is set up. I always 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:52.800 look for where the tournaments are. This is I kind 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:54.679 of like to check out the gameplay and just like 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:56.439 to be around it for a little bit. But people 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.240 play every match they have and all of their cards 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:01.560 are in these protective cases. That's how they shuffled. Back 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:04.040 in the day, we were just shuffling cards like we're 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:06.919 playing pinnuckle or something, And so it was just horrible 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:09.199 for the value of the cards. Like to think that 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:12.720 there's cards out there that are fetching north of fifty 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:16.320 thou dollars that I was just shuffling around. It's uh, 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:18.919 it's nuts. But hey, we were kids. We didn't know 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:21.199 no better. You were supposed to open and play with it. 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:26.040 Smell the packs. Oh god, Okay, this is a child's friend. 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:29.880 This is family friendly. This his family friendly show. Good 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:33.040 with Uh. A little bit more about Richard Garfield, who 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:35.119 created it. So he actually lived in Nepal. He was 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:38.359 unable to communicate with the local kids, and he relied 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:41.480 on games like Marble's Actually to build friendships. When he 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:43.560 got back to the US, he started playing D and 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:46.240 D but couldn't find a rule book, so he made 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:48.720 some up and taught his school pals. He got the 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:52.600 idea from Magic after meeting with Peter Atkinson, who was 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:56.280 founder of the Wizard of the Coast, which is a company. 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:59.640 It's a Hasbro company that produces Magic the gathering. Um. 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:02.400 But gar Field did say Magic is closer to role 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:06.679 Plane than any other card or board game I know of. Uh, 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:09.840 each player's deck is like a character. Well, he said 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:13.919 it's closer to role Plane than anything else. Yeah, I 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:17.480 mean that's that, I mean maybe back. I mean Magic 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:21.040 has been through so many changes, but it essentially was 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:23.840 like a deck building version of role playing games, which 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:26.239 is why you had all these characters and elves and 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:29.119 so on. There was a wager feature where like you 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:31.720 would have to wage your cars, but then then they 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:34.320 got at risk. They were at risk of being like 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:37.040 accused of gambling, so they got really that feature. But 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:40.160 now Magic as a stands is a lot of meta gaming, 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:43.719 which I was like always looking for because meta gaming 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:48.160