1
00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:37,760
Speaker 1: This is one Bill's Live presented by Calllia Health. Hey everybody,

2
00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,879
Speaker 1: welcome to one of those lives. Jeef Tasker. I'm back

3
00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,040
Speaker 1: in the saddle today along with Chris Trpasso. Thanks for

4
00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,680
Speaker 1: bearing with us. And you know, Brownie and I usually

5
00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:47,240
Speaker 1: do the show every day. We're here all the time,

6
00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:48,800
Speaker 1: but now in this time of year, Brownie and I

7
00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:50,760
Speaker 1: spot check ourselves and we kind of take, you know,

8
00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:52,360
Speaker 1: take a day here and take a day there. I

9
00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,600
Speaker 1: took a day yesterday, and Chris and Maddie we're in.

10
00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,280
Speaker 1: Thank Chris, you've been off and on over the last

11
00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,120
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Thanks for coming in and helping us out.

12
00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,720
Speaker 2: And I can clearly play left tech and right tackle,

13
00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:01,200
Speaker 2: doesn't mater.

14
00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,760
Speaker 3: That's right where you switch seats, yeah.

15
00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,520
Speaker 1: In the studio here, and I appreciate that. I like.

16
00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,399
Speaker 1: I like my seat so when I host usually it

17
00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,200
Speaker 1: used to be when I host the show, and for

18
00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,960
Speaker 1: those of you in radio, you could not possibly care

19
00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,759
Speaker 1: less about the conversation. But for those of you on TV,

20
00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,720
Speaker 1: I sit on the screens the right of the screen

21
00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,600
Speaker 1: and Brownie sits on the left. And then sometimes when

22
00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,840
Speaker 1: Brownie's gone, they flip me over because the field's weird.

23
00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,360
Speaker 1: The phone computers over there, right, so I said, no,

24
00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:29,920
Speaker 1: I want my So they moved the phone computer over

25
00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:31,959
Speaker 1: here so I can take your phone calls when you

26
00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,120
Speaker 1: do call. But I was out yesterday. I was actually

27
00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,880
Speaker 1: we were I was shooting car commercials.

28
00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:37,520
Speaker 3: Nice Wester.

29
00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was shooting car commercials yesterday with Josh, Dion

30
00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:42,360
Speaker 1: and Dawson.

31
00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,679
Speaker 2: They're always so witty and funny. Obviously get the information

32
00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:47,240
Speaker 2: across that you want. But I think they do a

33
00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:47,600
Speaker 2: great job.

34
00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got a lot of pros doing that. I mean,

35
00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,200
Speaker 1: it's not me. They got a great writer, they got

36
00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,440
Speaker 1: the folks that I work with, Buffalo Advertising, their their

37
00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,920
Speaker 1: top notch. The people at the Car Group is they're

38
00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,240
Speaker 1: So That's what I did all day yesterday, was we

39
00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:03,920
Speaker 1: were busy doing that stuff because we got to get

40
00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,640
Speaker 1: it because if Josh You're gonna be a part of it,

41
00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,000
Speaker 1: it's not like we can do it like on a

42
00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,440
Speaker 1: Tuesday during the season. You know, we got it, so

43
00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,040
Speaker 1: we uh, you know, I just took a day and

44
00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:13,240
Speaker 1: then we did that yesterday.

45
00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:13,720
Speaker 3: So it's fun.

46
00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,040
Speaker 2: And then we're all going to hear and see those

47
00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,120
Speaker 2: commercials a thousand times right during.

48
00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,560
Speaker 1: Foot so sick of seeing me doing those. So yeah,

49
00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,799
Speaker 1: that's that's where I was yesterday. I appreciate everybody and

50
00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,320
Speaker 1: you and Maddie helped for Novis. It was a nice

51
00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,519
Speaker 1: show yesterday, you guys talking about stuff. But this June first,

52
00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,560
Speaker 1: things coming up too tomorrow. Yeah, and the Bills are

53
00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,200
Speaker 1: gonna how about that? Okay, So you're going along in

54
00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:41,040
Speaker 1: your everyday life and June first comes along and all

55
00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:41,920
Speaker 1: of a sudden, hey.

56
00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:43,120
Speaker 3: Bro, ten more million.

57
00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:44,360
Speaker 1: Here's ten million bucks for you.

58
00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:46,600
Speaker 3: I think the Bills planned that out.

59
00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:51,040
Speaker 2: That was sign me up, And maybe that was coming

60
00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,040
Speaker 2: off the heels of last season where the Bills signed

61
00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,920
Speaker 2: Leonard Floyd, who in the middle portion of that season

62
00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,480
Speaker 2: as the defense took a lot of injuries, a lot

63
00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,160
Speaker 2: of guys around the sideline, Leonardolloyd helped keep that defense together.

64
00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:03,240
Speaker 3: Like you mentioned, dude, he.

65
00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:03,600
Speaker 1: Was the best.

66
00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,480
Speaker 3: He was the best the best defense for sure.

67
00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,040
Speaker 2: So he was a post June one signing and the

68
00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,600
Speaker 2: Bills could have had more money during the bulk of

69
00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,200
Speaker 2: free agency, but I think Brandon bean knew, look, we're

70
00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,200
Speaker 2: not going to be huge spenders. We're gonna kind of

71
00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,800
Speaker 2: find the bargain bin guys. But then come June one,

72
00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,320
Speaker 2: we understand we're gonna get ten more million like you're mentioning,

73
00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:22,399
Speaker 2: and they're still guys available.

74
00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,400
Speaker 1: So here's where today listen Friday. Now, we're taking your

75
00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,560
Speaker 1: mail bag questions. Like always, you can call in with

76
00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,720
Speaker 1: any questions you have about what's going on with the players,

77
00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,519
Speaker 1: the state of the state of the union. Here a

78
00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,240
Speaker 1: one Bill's Drive calls. If you have any questions about

79
00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,400
Speaker 1: the league. We'll answer your questions and if you want

80
00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:41,920
Speaker 1: or just call in to see what you think about this,

81
00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:43,840
Speaker 1: because we're asking you. I mean, what are you gonna

82
00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,680
Speaker 1: do if you're Brandon Bean and you get ten million

83
00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,080
Speaker 1: bucks to spend? How you spending it?

84
00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:48,360
Speaker 3: Now?

85
00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,120
Speaker 1: What's what's your next move? What are the bills gonna

86
00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,000
Speaker 1: do with the ten million bucks that just got that's

87
00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,240
Speaker 1: gonna get dropped on their lap, into their lap at

88
00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,440
Speaker 1: midnight tonight? What are you going to do with it?

89
00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,200
Speaker 1: You can call us at eight or three one eight

90
00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,200
Speaker 1: eight five poin fifty two five fifty. Christoph Passo and

91
00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:06,520
Speaker 1: me are gonna be We're gonna be able to till three.

92
00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,360
Speaker 1: So you can get on board if you want, call

93
00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,040
Speaker 1: us or you can tweet at us and at one

94
00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,640
Speaker 1: Bill's Live or at Steve Task eighty nine. Give us,

95
00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,200
Speaker 1: you know, let us know what you think ten million

96
00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,600
Speaker 1: bucks is. And I roll my eyes when I say

97
00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,760
Speaker 1: it's not chump change. But in the NFL, it's not

98
00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,520
Speaker 1: a lot, but it is a pretty good player.

99
00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:29,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.

100
00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,440
Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys that are out there and

101
00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,760
Speaker 1: you can you can go and you can you can

102
00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,000
Speaker 1: find out who these guys are. I mean for sure,

103
00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:39,680
Speaker 1: not if you go to the you know the just

104
00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,159
Speaker 1: go to the websites and forge. What do you What

105
00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:42,920
Speaker 1: are your thoughts like out of the look like right

106
00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:44,640
Speaker 1: out of the shoet. What's your first thing that you're

107
00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:45,159
Speaker 1: thinking about.

108
00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,920
Speaker 2: I think in the secondary you talked about I think

109
00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,520
Speaker 2: last week when I was on that the outside corner

110
00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,120
Speaker 2: position might need a little bit more depth. I mean

111
00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,039
Speaker 2: kyr Elam, they're really banking on him stepping up and

112
00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,960
Speaker 2: being that depth guy on the outside opposite Rasul dougla

113
00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,279
Speaker 2: List and obviously Christian Benford coming off the injury in

114
00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,719
Speaker 2: a very good second season. Maybe even at safety you

115
00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,320
Speaker 2: have Coal Bishop. We don't know what the future holds

116
00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,760
Speaker 2: for Micah Hyde. You bring in Mike Edwards, you re

117
00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,400
Speaker 2: signed Taylor rap but maybe the safety position. And what's

118
00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,240
Speaker 2: important too. You can look at the lists online, like

119
00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,760
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of sites that have the available free agents,

120
00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,400
Speaker 2: and there are some household names still available, just like

121
00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,240
Speaker 2: Leonard Floyd Poona Ford last year was another one for

122
00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,960
Speaker 2: the Bills. But there will be a few that will

123
00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:31,000
Speaker 2: get caught tomorrow that weren't designated post June one cuts

124
00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,159
Speaker 2: like in say March or April. But teams will realize

125
00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:38,320
Speaker 2: that their dead cap will accelerate onto twenty twenty five's cap.

126
00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:43,240
Speaker 2: Maybe a Courtland Sutton, maybe a Marshawn Lattimore, Miles Sanders,

127
00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,360
Speaker 2: the running back round the Carolina Panthers. There may be

128
00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,880
Speaker 2: a few that right now today May thirty first, not available,

129
00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,760
Speaker 2: but once we get into June will suddenly be either

130
00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,080
Speaker 2: available or on the trade.

131
00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,880
Speaker 1: Most of it, most people know who that's gonna be sure,

132
00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,080
Speaker 1: Like Trey White isn't gone yet, you know, or you

133
00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,159
Speaker 1: know he's still in the books, but you know you

134
00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,240
Speaker 1: got guys like and here, let me just give you this.

135
00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:09,240
Speaker 1: I put in like all the defensive backs, okay, not

136
00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:13,240
Speaker 1: not corners, not just safeties, not both everybody. So if

137
00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,120
Speaker 1: you're thinking defensive backfield, like you think about it, Xavion

138
00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:17,440
Speaker 1: Howard is out there from.

139
00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,160
Speaker 3: Miami and he was interception machine.

140
00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,280
Speaker 1: He came off an eighteen million dollar a year contract,

141
00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,680
Speaker 1: So that guy is not a slouch. Jamal Adams the

142
00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,320
Speaker 1: safety from Seattle.

143
00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:29,200
Speaker 4: J C.

144
00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,279
Speaker 1: Jackson, and I don't know if Bills fans will probably

145
00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:37,200
Speaker 1: be more cool on jac Jackson because they've seen him

146
00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,599
Speaker 1: get strummed by Steph Yeah, you know, for like four

147
00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,240
Speaker 1: straight years, Justin Simmons, Eddie Jackson, Adore Jackson.

148
00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:44,800
Speaker 3: There's some names out there.

149
00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:50,120
Speaker 1: Andre Diggs is out there from Seattle, Cam Sutton, Steph

150
00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,320
Speaker 1: Gilmour still out there, former Defensive Player of the Year.

151
00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,440
Speaker 1: He's coming off a ten million dollar a year salary

152
00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:58,560
Speaker 1: from Dallas. And then of course, you know Micah is

153
00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,600
Speaker 1: still out there, Tracy Walker, Marcus May, Patrick Peterson is

154
00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,159
Speaker 1: out there. He's thirty three, almost thirty four years old,

155
00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,320
Speaker 1: but he's coming off a year with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

156
00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,280
Speaker 1: Jay ron Kersteve Nelson, Adrian Phillips. You know, and some

157
00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,760
Speaker 1: people will know some of these names were Kareem Jackson,

158
00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,600
Speaker 1: who was with the Texans last year and the guy

159
00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,960
Speaker 1: you just mentioned, Marshawn Lattimore might be available.

160
00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,920
Speaker 2: They drafted kool Aid mckinstrey for out of Alabama in

161
00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,720
Speaker 2: the second round. The one name though, that I think

162
00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,040
Speaker 2: more than any because we know, not even just Brandon Bean,

163
00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,520
Speaker 2: but how gms and coaches like to have those players

164
00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,600
Speaker 2: that they're familiar with James Bradbury of the Philadelphia Eagles.

165
00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,880
Speaker 2: He's not on that list yet, he's not available. But

166
00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,520
Speaker 2: the Eagles picked quinny On Mitchell, the cornerback out of Toledo,

167
00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,560
Speaker 2: in the first round. Then they double dipped and picked

168
00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,880
Speaker 2: Cooper dejen in the second round, the safety corner out

169
00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,160
Speaker 2: of Iowa. James Bradbury two seasons ago was an absolute star.

170
00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,200
Speaker 2: The connection to the Bills is he was a draft

171
00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,560
Speaker 2: pick in Carolina in twenty seventeen or twenty sixteen, twenty

172
00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,040
Speaker 2: seventeen when Brandon Bean was still there. He's long, He's

173
00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,240
Speaker 2: kind of a Christian Benford size player. It feels like

174
00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,680
Speaker 2: if there would be a post June one cut, he

175
00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,560
Speaker 2: would maybe be one of them because he had kind

176
00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,440
Speaker 2: of a down twenty twenty three. The Bills, you know,

177
00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:16,800
Speaker 2: in the past, even last year, had Josh Norman on

178
00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,360
Speaker 2: the roster who had that Carolina connection to both Sean

179
00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:20,440
Speaker 2: McDermott and Brandon Bean.

180
00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:21,720
Speaker 3: James Bradbury could be.

181
00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,440
Speaker 2: One that suddenly is available at midnight tonight or tomorrow

182
00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:26,880
Speaker 2: that the Bills could maybe be looking at.

183
00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,840
Speaker 1: Now. There's also if you're into this kind of thing,

184
00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:35,120
Speaker 1: we've been talking about the wide receiver room forever and

185
00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,240
Speaker 1: the biggest name that people would recognize who's a wide

186
00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,600
Speaker 1: receiver who's still out there would be probably Hunter Renfro,

187
00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,480
Speaker 1: the kid from can't believe he's a lot receiver from

188
00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:49,200
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. Michael Thomas is still out there. Who Michael

189
00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:50,920
Speaker 1: Thomas is At one point was the best receiver in

190
00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,520
Speaker 1: the National Football League. He's thirty one years.

191
00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,200
Speaker 3: Old, He's so many injuries he's.

192
00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:01,400
Speaker 1: Now he's coming off the foot injury. If to sign him,

193
00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,920
Speaker 1: you got to work him out and you got to

194
00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:05,400
Speaker 1: find out if he's going to be where he's at.

195
00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,000
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to check him out, you know, on

196
00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,120
Speaker 1: a personal level, what's he like, what's he wants, what's

197
00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,320
Speaker 1: his order, his goals and aspirations. You know he has

198
00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,000
Speaker 1: he got that fired. Does he want to come back?

199
00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,000
Speaker 1: He is going to be that guy if he is

200
00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,240
Speaker 1: and you can get him cheap. He is the best

201
00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:24,720
Speaker 1: flyer on the board because Michael Thomas can really play

202
00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,920
Speaker 1: when he's at his best, and he's still he's just

203
00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,920
Speaker 1: over thirty years old. Russell Gage me. Cole Hardman is

204
00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,319
Speaker 1: out there of course, and you know me, Cole, I

205
00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:34,839
Speaker 1: think is a hard sell for a lot of people

206
00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,480
Speaker 1: because he got nothing but criticized last year for his

207
00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:43,199
Speaker 1: drops in Kansas City, jackim Grant, Randall Cobb, Marquise Goodwin.

208
00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,120
Speaker 1: You know, you go down and it's been a while,

209
00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,000
Speaker 1: so a lot of these guys. Now, if there is

210
00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:49,880
Speaker 1: a guy and I can't tell you who that might be,

211
00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,840
Speaker 1: if there's a guy on a roster somewhere now who

212
00:09:52,880 --> 00:10:00,320
Speaker 1: tomorrow posts June one, I've post June one release, that

213
00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,320
Speaker 1: guy's going to be better. Yeah, because the guys I

214
00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,160
Speaker 1: just mentioned, All these guys that I just mentioned have

215
00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,480
Speaker 1: question marks behind or concerns except for maybe Hunter Renfro.

216
00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really surprised he's still a bit.

217
00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm surprised he is too. But all out there, you

218
00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,000
Speaker 1: get a guy who's actually on a roster today, and

219
00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,800
Speaker 1: if you're going to post June one release, somebody, there's

220
00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,240
Speaker 1: only one reason. It's economics for sure, got to push

221
00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,880
Speaker 1: it to economics. It's not that he can't play, it's

222
00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,760
Speaker 1: that he's too expensive, or the cap hit, or for

223
00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:37,360
Speaker 1: his production next to what he's making. Whatever. It's an

224
00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,920
Speaker 1: economics decision, probably not a football decision. So if you've

225
00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,280
Speaker 1: got ten million bucks and your Brandon bean, how are

226
00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,000
Speaker 1: you going to spend it? We're asking you today, or

227
00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,280
Speaker 1: if you have any other questions or concerns or comments,

228
00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,160
Speaker 1: give us a call or tweet at us, or text

229
00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:56,640
Speaker 1: or not tweet at us or anyway. Yeah, just tweet sheet,

230
00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:58,560
Speaker 1: hook us up.

231
00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,520
Speaker 3: You know, get us get on on Bill's Live.

232
00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,760
Speaker 1: We'll listen to you. We're also taking your calls today

233
00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,439
Speaker 1: as well, obviously, as we always do. Give it. This

234
00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,840
Speaker 1: thing too came out while I was gone that Hard

235
00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,520
Speaker 1: Knocks is going to be doing the Chicago Bears this year.

236
00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,520
Speaker 3: I like that a lot o. Yeah, yeah, I do.

237
00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,080
Speaker 2: I think to have the rookie number one overall pick

238
00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,479
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams to be right in the second.

239
00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,000
Speaker 1: On the other side of the ball too, the uh

240
00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:22,600
Speaker 1: for the other first beer the other first.

241
00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like Roman Dunsa at wide receiver A kind

242
00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,320
Speaker 2: of a coaching staff and a general manager that are

243
00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,920
Speaker 2: kind of in a make or break season with Matt

244
00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,760
Speaker 2: Eberflus there, Ryan Poles is, for all intents and purposes,

245
00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,560
Speaker 2: has done a pretty good job building that team up,

246
00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,199
Speaker 2: but we haven't really seen the results yet. You have

247
00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:41,960
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen they brought in to kind of be that

248
00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:42,920
Speaker 2: veteran mentor.

249
00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:43,600
Speaker 5: Uh.

250
00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,719
Speaker 2: There's been ups and downs with hard knocks. I don't

251
00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,440
Speaker 2: know your thoughts on it, but I think this year

252
00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,920
Speaker 2: to have the number one overall pick Caleb Williams, who

253
00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,040
Speaker 2: is such a polarizing guy. You either love him or

254
00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,360
Speaker 2: hate him. Think he's going to be a Hall of

255
00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,559
Speaker 2: Famer or bust out of the league. I think it's

256
00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,360
Speaker 2: going to be chalk full of storylines this summer.

257
00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:04,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, Caleb Williams is intriguing viewing. I want you people

258
00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,280
Speaker 1: want to get to know that guy because there was

259
00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,360
Speaker 1: a lot said about him for you know, eighteen months

260
00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,440
Speaker 1: leading up to that draft, how he was probably would

261
00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,560
Speaker 1: have been a top five pick his junior year, and

262
00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,080
Speaker 1: to wait and come back and play. Now there's nobody else,

263
00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,240
Speaker 1: it's just him. It's him and everybody else. And despite

264
00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,840
Speaker 1: the fact that there were six guys taking in twelve

265
00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:28,240
Speaker 1: picks at his position. He's the guy, and particularly in

266
00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:34,000
Speaker 1: a franchise like Chicago, who has been has been a mediocre,

267
00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:35,200
Speaker 1: one loss team.

268
00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,000
Speaker 3: They've needed a quarterback for my whole life.

269
00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,760
Speaker 1: And they've yeah, And they've been highly criticized for the

270
00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,800
Speaker 1: way they handled Justin Fields, who was a high pick

271
00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:48,320
Speaker 1: and who seems to have some physical abilities. They just

272
00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,360
Speaker 1: couldn't get it together around him. And they made the

273
00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,680
Speaker 1: move and once again they're picking high in the draft

274
00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,200
Speaker 1: and they picked another quarterback. We'll see if they got

275
00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,679
Speaker 1: this one right. Now. Here's the intriguing question is and

276
00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,720
Speaker 1: what I hope Hard Knocks can get to the bottom

277
00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:14,120
Speaker 1: of is, is Caleb Williams a guy who is gonna

278
00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,120
Speaker 1: be a guy? Is a franchise quarterback. But you can

279
00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:18,560
Speaker 1: see it, you can feel it, you can do it,

280
00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,880
Speaker 1: and the Bears just don't know what to do with him.

281
00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:21,719
Speaker 2: Is it?

282
00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,360
Speaker 1: Are they just gonna mess it up? Is it gonna

283
00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:28,440
Speaker 1: be like, you know, an Archie Manning type situation where

284
00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,560
Speaker 1: he's the best player but the rest of the on

285
00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:36,120
Speaker 1: a losing team perennially? What's that gonna look like? Is

286
00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:37,640
Speaker 1: he a great kid? Is he a good kid. Is

287
00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,679
Speaker 1: he gonna handle it all right? Are they gonna? You know,

288
00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,800
Speaker 1: it's really intriguing because Chicago has nothing but a poor

289
00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,720
Speaker 1: reputation for handling quarterbacks. Even when they were the eighty

290
00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,720
Speaker 1: five Bears. It was a love hate relationship with Jim McMahon.

291
00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,079
Speaker 1: Jim McMahon is a hard guy to love. I'll be

292
00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,920
Speaker 1: the first to tell you. I mean he's you know,

293
00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:01,280
Speaker 1: he's one of those right. But how tough can it

294
00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,480
Speaker 1: be when you're winning games and with that defense? Yes,

295
00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:06,280
Speaker 1: I mean come on, you got to, you know, find

296
00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,559
Speaker 1: a way to get along. Couldn't do it. And Jim

297
00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,400
Speaker 1: McMahon has since come out said even in the decades

298
00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,840
Speaker 1: that have passed, he said, listen, Chicago's where quarterbacks go

299
00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,000
Speaker 1: to die. I mean that's it's not an easy place

300
00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:23,320
Speaker 1: to play late in the season. It is cold. And

301
00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,680
Speaker 1: I say that cold. I we live in Buffalo, and

302
00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,280
Speaker 1: let me just tell you, I went to school in

303
00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:33,320
Speaker 1: Chicago at Northwestern. You can live your whole life in Buffalo.

304
00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,400
Speaker 1: You can go to Chicago and freeze.

305
00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:38,320
Speaker 3: It gets really freeze.

306
00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,160
Speaker 1: It's dangerous cold in Chicago. I mean like like bad cold,

307
00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:46,160
Speaker 1: like like get me out of here. Cold. Like, yeah,

308
00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,000
Speaker 1: like I'm not going outside today. Cold in Buffalo gets

309
00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,600
Speaker 1: snow and so we have bad days. No, in Chicago,

310
00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:53,640
Speaker 1: it's like, don't go outside or you'll die for a

311
00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,080
Speaker 1: long stretches, right, So that's you know, it's a tough

312
00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,760
Speaker 1: place to play. All that's into this season, I think

313
00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:02,320
Speaker 1: is really going to be intriguing to see what the

314
00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,080
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears are really like from the inside out, because

315
00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,280
Speaker 1: it has been a franchise that in one of the

316
00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:12,240
Speaker 1: great cities in our country, has has never been able

317
00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:13,160
Speaker 1: to get out of its own way.

318
00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and to one of your points there, I think

319
00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,960
Speaker 2: what is the biggest draw or the most intriguing element

320
00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,400
Speaker 2: of Caleb Williams is you turn on the film at

321
00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,960
Speaker 2: usc you see ridiculous plays. It was all the controversy

322
00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,400
Speaker 2: with him was not always his arm big enough?

323
00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:28,520
Speaker 3: Is he accurate enough?

324
00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,080
Speaker 2: Can he improvise outside of the pocket enough? It's the

325
00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:33,720
Speaker 2: mental side of the game that he was, you know,

326
00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,680
Speaker 2: crying in the arms of his mom when they lost

327
00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:36,000
Speaker 2: a game.

328
00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:37,160
Speaker 3: Is that good? Is that bad?

329
00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,440
Speaker 2: Did he care too much? Should a quarterback not be

330
00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,360
Speaker 2: doing that? We're going to get a behind the scenes

331
00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,240
Speaker 2: look of the mental side of the game from him.

332
00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,240
Speaker 2: We've heard Brandon Bean and Sean McDermott and even Josh

333
00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,280
Speaker 2: Allen talks so much about the mental side, and that

334
00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,120
Speaker 2: Josh Allen accepted that he was a raw prospect and

335
00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,520
Speaker 2: he knew he needed to get better and was able

336
00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,280
Speaker 2: to take constructive criticism and improve early in his career.

337
00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,920
Speaker 2: Williams already think he's arrived or does he believe that

338
00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:04,720
Speaker 2: he does need to get better and understands that the

339
00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,520
Speaker 2: NFL can humble you even if you are super talented

340
00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,920
Speaker 2: right away. So I think everyone will, first especially me,

341
00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,880
Speaker 2: will be first watching just to get the true persona

342
00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,360
Speaker 2: of how Caleb Williams acts around his teammates on the

343
00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,360
Speaker 2: practice field, how hard of a worker he is. I

344
00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,080
Speaker 2: think that, maybe even more so than his physical ability,

345
00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,880
Speaker 2: will give an indication of how he's going to project

346
00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:26,520
Speaker 2: in the NFL.

347
00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:28,720
Speaker 1: We'll also we'll taking your phone calls. You can tell

348
00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:30,120
Speaker 1: us what you want to do with the ten million

349
00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,960
Speaker 1: bucks in the cap that the Bills are going to

350
00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,360
Speaker 1: get dropped into their lap tomorrow. Also what maybe you

351
00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,360
Speaker 1: think likely yesterday, what you think the best move in

352
00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:39,640
Speaker 1: the off season was, And we can get to that.

353
00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,360
Speaker 1: I didn't get a chance to chime in on that.

354
00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,760
Speaker 1: What's your big conversation with you and Maddie and I

355
00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,720
Speaker 1: will have to let's talk to Let's take this phone call.

356
00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,840
Speaker 1: Let's go to Tim in Charlotte. Tim, you're on with

357
00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,000
Speaker 1: Steve and Chris. What's on your mind?

358
00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,400
Speaker 6: Hey, appreciate you taking me on. I just want to

359
00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,520
Speaker 6: start with a comment and then ask you guys two questions. First,

360
00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,360
Speaker 6: with the comment, it makes a lot of sense to

361
00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,960
Speaker 6: me that you guys are on one Bill's Live. The

362
00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,880
Speaker 6: Bill's love people with position flexibility and you guys being

363
00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,160
Speaker 6: able to play both sides left and right and makes

364
00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,440
Speaker 6: a lot of sense to me. That's number one. Yeah,

365
00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:11,440
Speaker 6: position versatility.

366
00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:11,640
Speaker 1: Yep.

367
00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,199
Speaker 6: So my two questions for you. The first one is

368
00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,760
Speaker 6: anybody signed after post June one that doesn't count towards

369
00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:18,800
Speaker 6: the complict formula.

370
00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:19,840
Speaker 4: Is that correct?

371
00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:20,680
Speaker 3: That's true?

372
00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:22,000
Speaker 4: Okay.

373
00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,320
Speaker 6: Secondly, I kind of would love for Brandon being to

374
00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,359
Speaker 6: just kind of sit back and wait a little bit longer.

375
00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,400
Speaker 6: I don't think that money's going to burn a hole

376
00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,720
Speaker 6: in his pocket, because he likes having cash flowed throughout

377
00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:33,800
Speaker 6: the season just in case of injuries and things like that.

378
00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,119
Speaker 6: But when I take a look around, and Christy kind

379
00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:38,600
Speaker 6: of stole my thunder a little bit. When you take

380
00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,800
Speaker 6: a look around at the bill's position rooms, I think

381
00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,440
Speaker 6: one that they could potentially be a little thin at

382
00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,600
Speaker 6: is the corner position, specifically outside corner, especially if Kyri

383
00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,920
Speaker 6: Elam doesn't take that next step. We all hope he does.

384
00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,760
Speaker 6: But James Bradbury is a really really nice fit there.

385
00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,080
Speaker 6: I know he gets a lot of flat got a

386
00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,639
Speaker 6: lot of flack in Philly, but Sean McDermott is just

387
00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,040
Speaker 6: different with cornerbacks. I don't care what anybody says. So

388
00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:00,600
Speaker 6: I really like that movie and I think it would

389
00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,840
Speaker 6: be relatively low costs, So I'd love to hear your

390
00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:03,399
Speaker 6: guys thoughts.

391
00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,640
Speaker 1: Thanks. Yeah, you're right, we started out of the gate

392
00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,560
Speaker 1: what would you do with the ten million bucks? And Chriss,

393
00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,879
Speaker 1: you know, immediately went right to the defensive backfield. You

394
00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,919
Speaker 1: can talk about safety or corner. I myself have a

395
00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:17,800
Speaker 1: lot of hope and not well. I have a lot

396
00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:22,440
Speaker 1: of confidence in Kyrie Elim. I think the new defensive

397
00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,440
Speaker 1: coordinator is going to have a fresh set of eyes

398
00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,480
Speaker 1: and give him a chance to come through nine. I'm

399
00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,240
Speaker 1: not saying that Kyrie Elam is not gonna have some

400
00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,040
Speaker 1: some you know, bumps in the road this season. But

401
00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,280
Speaker 1: the guy is too physically gifted not to get on

402
00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,440
Speaker 1: the field. And I think you're gonna see a chance

403
00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,480
Speaker 1: he's gonna get a chance to make a difference on

404
00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,880
Speaker 1: this team. Christian Benford, same thing. I like Christian Benford.

405
00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,320
Speaker 1: He is a solid, steady player. He's got elite size

406
00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,320
Speaker 1: and strength for a corner in this league and uses

407
00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:54,160
Speaker 1: it to his advantage. After that, Rasseul Douglas. I like Rasoul.

408
00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,240
Speaker 1: He came in and made an immediate impact and seems

409
00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,159
Speaker 1: to have that veteran presence and credibility and also the

410
00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:05,119
Speaker 1: kind of personality that endeared him to his teammates because

411
00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:09,200
Speaker 1: of his wisdom and his savvy and his confidence. That

412
00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,040
Speaker 1: kind of stuff goes a long way in a young

413
00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,880
Speaker 1: cornerback room. After those three guys and of course tarn

414
00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,000
Speaker 1: who's the slot corner, but those guys on the outside.

415
00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,199
Speaker 1: You know, once you get past those three guys, then

416
00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:25,679
Speaker 1: everything is a little bit like well, Dan Jackson, but

417
00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:27,880
Speaker 1: you know, I like to we'll see.

418
00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:33,560
Speaker 5: I'm with you. You could wait with ten million bucks and

419
00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,879
Speaker 5: like you said, be patient because you do need five

420
00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,280
Speaker 5: to seven maybe almost between seven and ten million bucks

421
00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,399
Speaker 5: to get through the season with play, with injuries and

422
00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,560
Speaker 5: player signings, the guys you have to bring in to

423
00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,840
Speaker 5: refurbish your roster. If guys go down, you need that

424
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,359
Speaker 5: kind of money just like in your pocket to get

425
00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,479
Speaker 5: it done. Plus you gotta sign your rookie for class.

426
00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,000
Speaker 5: So they do have some need for the money. And

427
00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:03,680
Speaker 5: this isn't like freem but you know, for the yes,

428
00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,359
Speaker 5: I get it, but for the sake of this today

429
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,720
Speaker 5: they got ten million bucks, that's gonna be gone by.

430
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:10,960
Speaker 1: The end of the season. They got to I won't

431
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:11,840
Speaker 1: know where you want to spend it.

432
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,720
Speaker 2: Sure, I just think that I mean, you can rattle

433
00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,960
Speaker 2: off those cornerbacks, and I think it's a good point

434
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,720
Speaker 2: that they do have reasonable depth there. But I think

435
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,840
Speaker 2: comparing that to how many wide receivers do they have,

436
00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,199
Speaker 2: they have so many wide receivers, there's maybe more positions

437
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,120
Speaker 2: open than there are at corner but I still think

438
00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,480
Speaker 2: there's maybe room for one or two outside cornerbacks, specifically

439
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,119
Speaker 2: the James Bradbury one. I think just makes so much sense,

440
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,119
Speaker 2: and it is very would kind of be aligned with

441
00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,080
Speaker 2: what the Bills have done in the past. Someone that

442
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,479
Speaker 2: they know Brandon Bean scouted him. He was part of

443
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,720
Speaker 2: that staff in Carolina that drafted James Bradbury out of Stamford,

444
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 2: who's six ' one, one of the thirty three inch arms,

445
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,240
Speaker 2: has like crazy length, one of the longest cornerbacks in

446
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 2: the league.

447
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,439
Speaker 3: He's getting up there in age. He's over thirty at

448
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:57,000
Speaker 3: this point.

449
00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 2: But in Philadelphia was very good in two thousand two

450
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,120
Speaker 2: two didn't have quite this season in twenty twenty three.

451
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 2: He had the interception there of Josh Allen in that

452
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 2: back and forth game in the rain in Philadelphia.

453
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 3: The instincts are there.

454
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 2: He doesn't have to be this press man corner that

455
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,479
Speaker 2: he was early in his career, and because of that length,

456
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,360
Speaker 2: he can just sit back in his own Maybe he's

457
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,200
Speaker 2: not quite as quick as he used to be. Watch

458
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,920
Speaker 2: the quarterback's eyes and break on the football. That's really

459
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 2: the bread and butter of this Sean McDermot scheme.

460
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think they will have some names on

461
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 1: a short list, probably at every position. But you're right,

462
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 1: they got thirteen guys at wide receiver. That's about the

463
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 1: number they always go with. Thirteen is kind of the number.

464
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 1: When you get to the eighty five you go down.

465
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 1: You can do it just like you do on a

466
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,119
Speaker 1: regular fifty three. You go how many wide receivers, how

467
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,639
Speaker 1: many running backs? And you do that, just expand it

468
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,679
Speaker 1: to the point where you know you're eighty five and

469
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: it gets your right to like that thirteen person number.

470
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 1: And that's where the Bills are right now. They got

471
00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:02,400
Speaker 1: you know, they got Coleman, Samuel Shakir, Holland's, Claypool, Xavier Johnson,

472
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 1: Justin Shorter, kJ Hamler, Tyrrel Shavers, mvs. Lawrence Keys, the Third,

473
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 1: Andy Isabella, and Brian Thompson. Those are the Those are

474
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 1: the thirteen guys.

475
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 2: There's just more names there at wide receiver guys who

476
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 2: have made plays in the NFL than I think there

477
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 2: are in the depth of the cornerback round.

478
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 3: You probably have.

479
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless they got like they got through these OTAs

480
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: to this point of the OTA's, they still got another

481
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 1: week or two they got to this point, and there's

482
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,679
Speaker 1: like one or maybe two of those guys on that

483
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 1: list of thirteen we just showed you. There's one or

484
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 1: two of those guys that are going, no, he's not

485
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 1: good enough, he's not even he's not even gonna be

486
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,719
Speaker 1: able to compete with these guys, you need to bring

487
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 1: somebody in. That kind of thing may happen. And certainly

488
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 1: if they do bring somebody in or sign some free agent,

489
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 1: they got to let somebody go because at the max.

490
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure the max.

491
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 1: So we'll find out that way, one way, shape or form.

492
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, So before we get to break here quickly, because

493
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 2: I don't think you saw this, it was right as

494
00:22:59,119 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 2: we were coming on it.

495
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 3: Just to mention this.

496
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 2: Pat McAfee's show is going on right now on ESPN.

497
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 2: Michael Lombardi, who is a former Patriots staffer Bill Belichick

498
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 2: era like late nineties, early two thousands and has been

499
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 2: in the media for a while now, was on with

500
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 2: Pat McAfee and just made mention of something that transplayed

501
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 2: apparently according to him, and during the draft he said

502
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 2: that the New England Patriots were in high speed pursuit

503
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 2: of Xavier Worthy and they wanted him badly. They were

504
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 2: making calls to make that pick, and the Bills took

505
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 2: the offer from the Chiefs. So we heard so much

506
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 2: about the Bill saying, hey, we don't care, it's the Chiefs,

507
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 2: so we're just trying to make our best deal. Maybe

508
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 2: it was just that the Chiefs deal was better than

509
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 2: the Patriots. He went on to say, the Patriots were

510
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 2: on the phone with the Bills, and that's a fact.

511
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 2: New England made a substantial offer and they took the

512
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 2: Chief's offer. So that's a little more intrigue to the

513
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 2: whole keyon Coleman's Zavi, you were of the Chiefs, throw

514
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 2: in the Patriots. They're a team that certainly was in

515
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 2: the wide receiver market in this draft. They ended up

516
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 2: picking two wide receivers Aalen Polk in the second round.

517
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 2: It's interesting, Javon Baker, they were on the phone with

518
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 2: Brandon Bean and.

519
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 3: Company, and the Bills ultimately went with the Chiefs. Record

520
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 3: to Michael Lombardi.

521
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that, Yeah, you would you rather do business

522
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: with the Chiefs or the Patriots?

523
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 3: Well, I think on the surface you would say the Patriots.

524
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: Now, I don't know now maybe, but man, oh man,

525
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: that's like you're right. Two years ago, if it was

526
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 1: bellichicking those guys, you wouldn even pick up the phone,

527
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: no way. But with Girodmeo taking over and them having

528
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 1: an entirely new regime and they want, you know, we

529
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: want to make an offer for you know, to get

530
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: up to get Xavier Worthy, so that I'll say this,

531
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy. There's more than one team than the Chiefs

532
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 1: that thought he was valuable.

533
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: What Michael Lombardi doesn't say here is like the you know,

534
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 2: comparison of the two offers. I believe based on everything

535
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 2: Brandon Bean has said and that he came right out

536
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: and was almost surprised as like, yeah, we made a

537
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 2: deal with the Chiefs. It was just the best deal

538
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 2: on the table. I bet if we really could go

539
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 2: inside the Bills of war room and see Patriots offer,

540
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 2: Chiefs offer, the Bills just took the one that was

541
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: the better offer for their team.

542
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 3: They were caring them too.

543
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: Because there's no reason to think that Ma Grod Mayo

544
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: or those guys are the Patriots are are gonna be

545
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: like hitting out of the park. And you don't care.

546
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 1: You don't know anything about those guys. They may be good,

547
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 1: they maybe not. They you know, you're And here's the

548
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 1: thing what people get caught up in, like don't do

549
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 1: business with those guys. Don't do Listen, they're in the league.

550
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: You're building your team, let them build theirs. If you're

551
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: gonna if they're gonna give you something you think you

552
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: can use better, like draft picks position in the draft.

553
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: Weather you take it and give them what you don't want,

554
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: or it's something that's lesser than what they're giving you.

555
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: If you think you're gonna win the trade because of

556
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 1: the opportunities and the assets they're gonna give you, you

557
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: take it.

558
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: I don't care who, you don't care the helmet, you

559
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 2: don't care the organization or whatever.

560
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: You got to take it.

561
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 2: And of course the Chiefs might be right. Maybe the

562
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 2: Patriots were right wantings they've bere Worthy. Maybe they're not.

563
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 2: Maybe the Bills are gonna ultimately be correct waiting drafting

564
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 2: key On Coleman with the first pick in round two.

565
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: What it really comes down to in the draft is

566
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: you just have to watch the film, pour over the analytics,

567
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: meet the players. If you're a GM, if you're the

568
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 2: teams that can do that, give your grade, give your evaluation,

569
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: and then run with it. And the Bills did not

570
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 2: view Xavier Worthy as highly as the Chiefs did, and they.

571
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 3: Got a great deal.

572
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 2: They got to move up in multiple rounds to get

573
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 2: Dwayne Carter and to get you know, Cedric Van pan Grainger.

574
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 2: They were able to make multiple picks with that. They

575
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 2: just were not as high on Xavier Worthy and they

576
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 2: didn't care that it was the Chiefs the Patriots. I

577
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 2: don't think this was we're not gonna make a deal

578
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: with the Patriots because they're in our division, but we're

579
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 2: gonna make a deal with with the Chiefs that have

580
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: won back to back Super Bowls and have kind of

581
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: been that hurdle that the Bills haven't been able to

582
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 2: get over.

583
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 3: I think it was just the.

584
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,360
Speaker 2: Best offer on the table came from Brett Veitch, their

585
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 2: GM in Kansas City.

586
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think you're probably right, and I have no

587
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: problem doing business with any of those guys. In fact,

588
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: you know, we're talking about what you do in business.

589
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,479
Speaker 1: We're talking about what you would do with the ten

590
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: million dollars. Is this June first is going to get us?

591
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: We've got a caller on the line. This is Dan

592
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 1: from Ken Moore. There you go, Dan, you're on with

593
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: Steve and Chris. What's on your mind?

594
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 4: Good afternoon, gentlemen. Hey guys, I think it's defensive end.

595
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 4: I know there was talk about whether we we would

596
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 4: go for it first or second round, and the defensive

597
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 4: end wasn't touched in the draft, and I think that's

598
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 4: an important part that they're lacking.

599
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Yeah, Jay is probably the biggest name out there.

600
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 2: He's bounced around the league of what five six seven

601
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: different teams.

602
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: And Goway's out there, Carl Lawson's out there, Emmanuel Ogba,

603
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: Charles Harris, Les Candor h Tias Bowser, Jerry Hughes is

604
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: still banging around. You know, there's some there's some names there,

605
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: but Shaq Shack Lawson is still out there. These guys

606
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: are all waiting for a spot to play.

607
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not crazy, though DEFENSI vend isn't crazy.

608
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: But at all you can always use a pass rush. Sure,

609
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: you can always use.

610
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 2: A pass Why I would lean corner over defensive end

611
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 2: is in the draft, they picked Yvon Solomon out of

612
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: Troy in the fifth round to be that pass rushing

613
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: specialist in year one. He's a little smaller, can win

614
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 2: around the corner with ben with acceleration. They didn't pick

615
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 2: a cornerback until the seventh round, Daikwon Hardy.

616
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 3: He's more of a slock guy. So that's why I

617
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 3: think on.

618
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 2: The perimeter cornerback, they just didn't address that in the draft,

619
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 2: and you probably if you're the Bills and they've kind

620
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 2: of gone through this youth movement this offseason, want to

621
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: give those, you know, third down reps maybe ten to

622
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: fifteen snaps of game to a Javon Holloman or to

623
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: a Javon Solomon as opposed to a Jerry Hughes or

624
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 2: a Yanikin Gotaway. So I don't think it's out of

625
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: the realm of possibility. I think that's near the top

626
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: of the priority list if they do want to spend

627
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: that ten million. But the reason I think corner makes

628
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: more sense because they just picked a defensive end in

629
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: the draft.

630
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker and Christaphassa, we're gonna take a break here,

631
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: come back, we're gonna talk more about what you think

632
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: the Bills should do with their ten million dollars payday

633
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: they're gonna get. Should they just kind of hang on

634
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: to it and wait for something to break or use

635
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: it to revolse to refurbish their roster if they get

636
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: guys injured, Should they sign their rookies with it? What

637
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: should they do? Give us a call if you want,

638
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: or tweet at us. Steve task for Chrystal Passa We'll

639
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: be right back. This is One Bill's Live presented by

640
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: Colida Health on Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back to one

641
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: of Bill's Lives. Steve Task for Christapasso. Here we're talking

642
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: about a lot of stuff about the June one deadline,

643
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: where the Bills are going to get a bump in

644
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: their salary cap of ten million bucks. How would you

645
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: spend it if you were Brandon Bean And a lot

646
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: of stuff going on around the league, a lot of

647
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: stuff that has you know, it's not x's and O stuff,

648
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: but like there's this report coming out. We just saw

649
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: that coming out of Miami where and you know what's

650
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: going on with Miami. Jalen wall just signed a big contract.

651
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: Now they've got Tyreek and Jalen Waddle too, the most

652
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: dynamic guys on the LEA. And now we're hearing that

653
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,479
Speaker 1: Tyreek wants a new deal and has wanted a new

654
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: deal since the end of the twenty three season. Yikes, yeah, yikes.

655
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 3: They already lost Christian Wilkins in freegency.

656
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: Who is the key cog on the middle of that

657
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 2: defensive line. And oh, by the way, there's the two

658
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: a tongue of Iiloa contract looming over this organization.

659
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 3: How are they paying all these people?

660
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: It's one thing, the salary cap is over two hundred

661
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: and thirty million dollars. Now, you can pay players, but

662
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 2: Jalen Waddle twenty six, twenty seven million per year. Tyreek

663
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: was already after the trade at thirty million a year.

664
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: What are you doing with that much allocation? At two

665
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 2: receivers and then maybe a quarterback That kind of feels

666
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: like he's buoyed by those receivers. There's just not a

667
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 2: lot of other money to go around on the defensive

668
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: side of the ball, and some younger pieces in Miami.

669
00:30:55,440 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm surprised by it. I got to say about

670
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: that that he's one time. If I'm Tyreek Hill, i

671
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: am shutting up and sitting down and making sure that

672
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: I'm on that team because there's every reason to think

673
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: he's I mean, certainly the guy's a great player, awesome,

674
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: but man, oh man, that's a lot of money for

675
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: a wide receiver, and they just pay the other guy

676
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: and he's really good too, and they got, you know,

677
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: all this stuff going. They've lost really good players. Look

678
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: at the Bills saying goodbye to some really good players.

679
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: Hide Poyer, Mitch Moose, Tredavious White. I mean, just to

680
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I always in my career, I was

681
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: always like, just try and earn the money you're getting

682
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 1: and don't squawk for more until it's until your your

683
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: contracts up.

684
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: I always will do kind of a draft spind on

685
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: this roster building stuff. What I think, you know, we

686
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: talked about the Jets being very all in on this

687
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: season with Aaron Rodgers at his age, a lot of

688
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 2: guys that have been good but have been injured. To me,

689
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: the Dolphins are low key kind of all in this season.

690
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 2: Two that Tyreek Kills, thirty years old, wants a new deal,

691
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: you kind of have to make a decision on Tua.

692
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 3: I mean, you signed Jalen Model. He's great, he's young.

693
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 2: But the draftspin is twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three,

694
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 2: those two years of the draft, that's after they brought

695
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: in Tyreek Hill. They made a grand total of eight

696
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: picks in the draft, four and four back to back.

697
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: A few of those guys have already gotten poached off

698
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 2: their practice squad. So there's not this young corps that

699
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: are like, hey, in a few years, we need to

700
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 2: pay this guy. There's not a Khalil Shakir or a

701
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: Dalton Kinkaid or a Christian Benford on that roster. So

702
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: maybe that's why they're like, hey, let's just pay our

703
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: veterans that we have. But as those guys start to

704
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: get older and are in their late twenties, early thirties,

705
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: and if Tua doesn't, you know, show that he can

706
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: elevate those on his roster, we could be looking as

707
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: early as twenty twenty five at the Dolphins and saying, man,

708
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: Tron Armstead, he's maybe going to retire. The defensive ends

709
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: are getting up there in age. Bradley Chubb maybe not

710
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: worth that money. They don't have that cheap talent that

711
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: we've been talking about all offseason for the Bills, that

712
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: they've gone through this youth movement not to just get younger,

713
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: more energetic players on the roster, but cheaper players that

714
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: Dolphins don't really have a roster that's like that.

715
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: So we're answering your questions on our mail bag Friday

716
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: Fan mail Bag. If you have any questions, you send

717
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: them into us either by tweet or by by phone,

718
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: give us a call and we're gonna take We'll take

719
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: a phone call now, Sam in Ontario. Sam, you're on

720
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: with Steve and Chris. Thanks for calling. What can we

721
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: do for you?

722
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 7: Thanks for taking my call. I just wanted to pick

723
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 7: up on the point you made before the break about

724
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 7: what the Bills should do with this relatively small nest

725
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 7: stake for the season. And I'll get your thoughts and feedback.

726
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 7: But my concern is going to be going down the stretch,

727
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 7: the health of the defense. I think the Bills have

728
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 7: enough depths and versatility on offense. You always have a

729
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 7: shot with Josh Allen under center, and you know, should

730
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 7: be able to score thirty plus points a game. But

731
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 7: what are your thoughts that maybe hanging on to that

732
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 7: money to see if it can be used for some

733
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 7: patchwork on the defense during the season, especially down the

734
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 7: home stretch.

735
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a good it's a good question because

736
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: remember we got caught last year with the and the

737
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: roster And thanks for calling, Sam, I appreciate it, But

738
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: we got caught last year. You know, they were pulling

739
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: a J. Klein off the off the r out of

740
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: the RV.

741
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: He was ready to go on vacation. Yeah, and uh

742
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 2: deface Patrick Mahomes and Travis k You'll.

743
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: Never know how the injury bug is going to hit you.

744
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: And I'll say this too, it's hard at that point

745
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: of the season to have anybody out there who can

746
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: come in and immediately make a make an impact. Who's

747
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: not in the league now. Now Rasseull Douglas was an exception.

748
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 1: They traded for him at the deadline. He came over

749
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: they needed depth at that position, and he made some plays.

750
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 3: It's an impact.

751
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had like a turnover a game for like

752
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: six games in a row. The guy was he killed it.

753
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: He couldn't have come at a better time. Uh, came

754
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: over from Green Bay. That kind of stuff happens. But

755
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: I would really have a hard time seeing the club

756
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: not I mean, you know what I mean, they're gonna

757
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 1: fritter the money. The money's gonna get frittered away if

758
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: it's sitting there and you got this and that, and

759
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: yet you're gonna all right, all right, this guy's not

760
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: good enough. Well, you know what, if he's not good enough,

761
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: let's cut him and bring this other guy in. We'll

762
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: do this, and or if somebody goes down, we're gonna

763
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: sign this guy off the street. You know, yes, But

764
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: if you do that early in the season that it

765
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: soaks up your money fast. There's I don't there's no

766
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: way they're gonna have that kind of money at the

767
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: end of the season because there's just gonna be too

768
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: many things that happened that money will be the remedy for.

769
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: And every time that financials come up to Brandon being

770
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: in a press conference, he always makes that mention. He

771
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 2: always says, we want more than just like a million

772
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: or two dollars left in season in case the injury

773
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: bug hits on either side of the ball. Don't forget

774
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 2: last year, late in the season they signed Lynval Joseph,

775
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 2: who didn't make a huge impact, but he was a

776
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: big body that helped free up the linebackers down the stretch. Now,

777
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 2: he didn't command a huge salary late in the year,

778
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 2: but you want to have enough money to sign a

779
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 2: Linvold Joseph to take on a salary of Rasul Douglas

780
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: if you need to down the stretch.

781
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 3: So that's not to say.

782
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: That they can't sign anyone starting tomorrow once they get

783
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 2: ten million, but I don't think they're gonna necessarily spend

784
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 2: all the way.

785
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 3: Up to that.

786
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: There could be this thing that you know, neither Chris

787
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: or I are aware of. Now there there's gonna be

788
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: some June one cuts tomorrow from guys around the league.

789
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: Brandon Bean and his staff will go and he'll have

790
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: guys on his staff that like, you take the NFC West,

791
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: you take the NFC South, you take the AFC South,

792
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 1: you take you know, all the different divisions. Guy, Yeah,

793
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: circle some guys. Who's going to be available June one?

794
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: Do you think who's got a chance and if and

795
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: if that's the case, then you'll say you can. Brandon

796
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: could reach out to that GM say hey, what's the story.

797
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: You're gonna release this guy? And he'll say yes or

798
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 1: no or whatever.

799
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 3: They'll probably ask for a seventh round pick for that.

800
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: What do you what do you? Yeah, what are you

801
00:36:58,640 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: gonna do?

802
00:36:59,040 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 8: Yeah?

803
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: And he said no, we're gonna release him, And I say, well,

804
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna offer you anything for him.

805
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait until you release him and see if

806
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: I can get him. And you know, I know he

807
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: was making this for you and all that, and what

808
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: do you think of it? He'll get you know, he'll

809
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: get a download. All that's going on, for every team.

810
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: So the Bills probably have a short list of guys

811
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: they're watching for that are getting released post June one.

812
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: And if that is the case, now it's I don't

813
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: know if I think it's I don't think it's you know,

814
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: really allowed for them to call their representation say hey,

815
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 1: when you're if you're getting released June one, we're gonna

816
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: talk to you.

817
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 3: But does that happen?

818
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: Maybe all that? Uh so we'll see, But there are

819
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: they're way out of head. Who's got who knows where

820
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: teams around the league are thinking unless you call him,

821
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: and they don't take our calls.

822
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 2: And honestly, I mean, we're in the middle of OTAs here.

823
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: But that's what Brandon Bean's staff is doing. Like it's

824
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 2: it's late in May, almost early June, you're thinking, what

825
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: what's the front office doing right now? That's exactly what

826
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 2: they're doing, division by division, team by team, conference by conference,

827
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,439
Speaker 2: to say we have fifth team guys circled. Maybe only

828
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 2: three become available, but when they are, then they're ready

829
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: to pounce.

830
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: All right, We'll take one more phone call here, Jim

831
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: in Rochester. Jim, you're on with Steve and Chris on

832
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 1: one Bill's live. What do you got for us?

833
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 6: I Gus Coras, I missed a little part, but I

834
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 6: was under the impression that the fast majority of this

835
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 6: ten million was going to the draft class and there's

836
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 6: not going to be hardly much left touju.

837
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 7: After that, I looked on spot track and it said,

838
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 7: I remember it was nine plus to sign the draft class.

839
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 6: So that's I guess I don't understand that.

840
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 7: It's a question.

841
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, here, hold on, we got to go ahead.

842
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I was going to say that, I mean,

843
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 2: most of that will go to the draft class, but

844
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 2: to have some money available. Any of these free agentcy

845
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 2: you know, even a Yanik and goatwaya Jerry Hughes, whoever

846
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 2: it would be, they're not going to command major dollars.

847
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 3: There's not.

848
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: Leonard Floyd at this point last year was kind of

849
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: sticking out. You signed, you know, a sizeable deal with

850
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 2: the Bills. So I don't know if there's anyone like

851
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: that this year, but I think there will be a

852
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: little bit of a wiggle room if the Bill is

853
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 2: desperately you know, one of those guys that circle becomes available.

854
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: Right now, they have to be compliant right now. Everybody

855
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: has to be above the cap. Right now, with the

856
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 1: exception of Seattle, who's listed at minus one million, everybody

857
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: is above the cat has cap space, and most of

858
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: these teams have less than what we're talking about, Like

859
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: the bottom ten teams have eight million or less, and

860
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: the Bills are one of those. Now, this ten million,

861
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: you're right, it's gonna go. It's gonna go towards that

862
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: and all of that. But with eighty five guys on

863
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: your roster, only the top fifty one get counted against

864
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: the cap. So the top fifty one, you're probably not

865
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,919
Speaker 1: gonna even maybe some of these draft class guys won't

866
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: even crack the top fifty one, right, So it's not

867
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: gonna move the needle that as much as you know,

868
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: ten million bucks or however much it is until they

869
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: make the fifty one. So there's gonna be some cash there.

870
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: And we're asking too ostensibly about where your thoughts are

871
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: about where this roster is. Is there a guy out

872
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: there you want or is there something that really does

873
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,479
Speaker 1: have you worried about this roster, And that's a lot

874
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: of what we're talking about in this in this scenario,

875
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: So you're right now, they do they're gonna need like

876
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: five to seven million to do business for the.

877
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 3: Season, just.

878
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: Roster management, yep. And they're gonna need five million or

879
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: ten or between five and seven or eight, maybe as

880
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: much as ten to sign this rookie class. But the

881
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,439
Speaker 1: needle of the cap isn't gonna be moved unless those

882
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: unless a couple of those guys in that draft class

883
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: move into the top fifty one, which that might be

884
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: hard to do for sure with all the veterans that

885
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: they have on the squad, And.

886
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 2: Very quickly, I'm gonna go super next level nerdy here

887
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 2: about post June one compensatory picks. I know the compensatory

888
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: formula is kind of a source subject here in Buffalo.

889
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: They didn't get that third round or they got the

890
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,479
Speaker 2: fourth rounder instead, but I think a lot more fans

891
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 2: understand and know that this is something that teams tried

892
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: to work to get those extra picks from the third

893
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 2: round to the seventh round. Right now, because Leonard Floyd

894
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: was on a one year deal in Buffalo, he signs

895
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: with the San Francisco forty nine ers for ten million

896
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 2: dollars a year. They just let the contract expire. He

897
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 2: is counting toward the Bills compensatory pick formula next year.

898
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 2: You're wondering, well, how is that possible he was signed

899
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 2: after June first, there's a different distinction. He was actually

900
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 2: let go and the Rams allowed his contract to expire

901
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three in March, once the new league

902
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 2: year began. He just didn't get signed until June first,

903
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: so he was not a post June one cut like

904
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: a Tradevius White. So if a player was just allowed

905
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: for his contract to expire in March and is just

906
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: sat idly by for the last three months and then

907
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 2: is signed, the Bills can sign him to a one

908
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 2: year deal. If he leaves elsewhere next season, they would

909
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 2: get that compick. So there is a little bit of

910
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 2: a difference. Tredevius White is not or anyone that they

911
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 2: bring in that was a post June one designation or

912
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: that gets cut tomorrow, that will not count toward the

913
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 2: compensatory pick for me. So there's a little difference there.

914
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: If the guys were allowed to just be unrestricted free

915
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: agent since March or our post June one cuts.

916
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker, Christaphassa, We're gonna take a break here. One

917
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: more little quick segment before the top of the hour

918
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 1: when Steve and Ruiz will join us to talk about

919
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: all things around the NFL. Stay with us, Steve Tasker,

920
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: christophpass Are One Bills Live Back with Steve Taster and

921
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: Christah Passo on One Bills Live. We've been talking about this,

922
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: you know, the league and this this ten million dollar

923
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: bump the Bills are going to get at June one,

924
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: and we've been talking about it for weeks, ever since

925
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: the announcement was made about Tredavious White, and now it's here.

926
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: We also got this thing going on around the league

927
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: where most of I guess sixty different special teams coordinators

928
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 1: got together when they were all the teams were down

929
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: at the combine. They started talking about what was going

930
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: to happen with this new kickoff rule. And if you

931
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: haven't heard about it, the rule has been completely revamped.

932
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: It's gonna be they're going to keep the play in

933
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 1: the game, but it's going to look much much more

934
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 1: different than any of you have probably ever seen before.

935
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: And now there's a lot of stuff coming out about

936
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: how they're going to adjust to it. And it's back

937
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: in you know, historic times when I when I played,

938
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: there were special teams guys and they could be anything.

939
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: We had Mark Pike on our team who was a

940
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: six four to two hundred and sixty seventy pound defensive

941
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: lineman who covered kicks with me, who was on a

942
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: five to nine buck eighty five. Mark Pike was the

943
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: best big man special teams player of all time. We

944
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: also had guys like Chris Hale, who's even smaller than me.

945
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: He was a five to seven buck seventy guy and

946
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: he was with me out there. Carlwell Garden was a fullback.

947
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: All these linebackers, you know, Mark Maddox, Carlton Bailey, all

948
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: these guys that were part of our special teams crew,

949
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: core players, core guys. Butch Roll a tight end who

950
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: was a fantastic athlete. So all these guys are out there,

951
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: but they were all you know, they spanned the gamut

952
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: of the spectrum of athlete letter types. Now, with the

953
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: kickoff change, you have really two plays, and you've always

954
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: had this, but there are two plays where you're gonna

955
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: cover kicks, punt and kickoff. Now kickoff. It used to

956
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: be a long run for everybody, not just guys like

957
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,959
Speaker 1: me on punt team where it was me and Chris hale,

958
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 1: and we would get down there and make the guy

959
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: bat around. These other guys would lumber down there and

960
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: get there when they could get there, and we would,

961
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: you know, hold the guy at bay if possible, for

962
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 1: the coverage to catch up to us. Now, nobody runs

963
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: anywhere they're run. They're gonna start on the thirty five

964
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: of the opponent and or forty, and then the other

965
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: team's on the thirty five, and you're all waiting until

966
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: the ball hits inside the twenty or gets caught, And

967
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: as soon as you get caught, you can take off running. Well,

968
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 1: you're all you know, it's like a race together. Well,

969
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of talk about different players being

970
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: able to play now play a more major role on

971
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: special teams. Offensive lineman, defensive linemen, bigger bodies, because it's

972
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: gonna look more like the end of a running play

973
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: when a kickoff happens, more than a wide ranging, lots

974
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: of space covered, you know, kind of play. The Chiefs

975
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: are famously now being talked about as having somebody other

976
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: than the kicker kick off, like a defensive back, somebody

977
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: who can tackle, because they're frightened about giving up a

978
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 1: long run. Don't know, it's gonna be interesting to see.

979
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 1: We're gonna ask Steven Ruiz here, he's a co host

980
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: of The Ring Or NFL Show podcast. He's gonna come

981
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: on with us, and he's got some thoughts about it

982
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: and what some of the things he's been hearing about it.

983
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: What do you you know this is it's gonna be

984
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: fun to see.

985
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 2: But also so fascinating to me is that you, Steve,

986
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 2: were like the first of your kind, that you were

987
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: a special teams specialist, that you were so good at

988
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 2: what you did. It was a niche part of the game.

989
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: It became a big part of the game because you

990
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: making big tackles, forcing fumbles, big hits on punt return,

991
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 2: on kickoff return. That's when punts and kickoffs were. You know,

992
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 2: coaches always said there one third of the game. Anyone

993
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 2: today up until this point would never say that that

994
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 2: you could almost you can still be in the bathroom

995
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 2: line when the kickoff was here. And now that's not

996
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: going to be the case anymore.

997
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: One of the things that used to be about special

998
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: teams and nobody wants to hear this, but I'll say

999
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: it anyway. Back in the day, it's and still this

1000
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: way twenty percent of the snaps. It's not thirty three

1001
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: percent of the snaps. It's twenty percent of the snaps

1002
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: or special team snaps. Okay, kickoff, kickoff, return, punt, punt return,

1003
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 1: field goal, field goal block.

1004
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 3: So it's extra point.

1005
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 1: All this stuff works out to be about twenty percent

1006
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 1: of the snaps. So you've got forty percent that are offense,

1007
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: forty percent that are defense, and twenty percent that are

1008
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: in a that are special team snaps. Now, the reason

1009
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: they say it's it's finger quotes one third of the

1010
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: game is because some of the things that happens for

1011
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 1: the rest of the game are dependent on field position,

1012
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: field goal, I mean on special teams.

1013
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1014
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 1: One, it's a direct try for points, field goal, field

1015
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: goal defense. So you're you're talking about putting points on

1016
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 1: the board on that play. A thumbs up or thumb's down.

1017
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: That's huge. Punt and kickoff on a punt team and

1018
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: a kickoff team. It is the only play in football

1019
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: where you're deliberately and premeditatively giving the ball to your opponent.

1020
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: It's changeover, which is obviously enormousuge and ninety to ninety

1021
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: five of all field position ninety to ninety five percent

1022
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: if all field position is dictated by your punt team

1023
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: and your kickoff team. So for those three reasons, the

1024
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 1: points and the field position and the changeover, that's why

1025
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: special teams were kind of weighted in their importance so

1026
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: that twenty percent of the snaps were considered to be

1027
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: it's about a third of the game because of everything

1028
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 1: else is affected by it. Okay, so there you have it. Now.

1029
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: One of the problems has been the kickoff teams. And

1030
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: I know you had a lot of young, fast, young

1031
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: athletes like I used to be running after a kickoff,

1032
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: and you had a lot of bigger, stronger athletes running

1033
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: the other way, and nobody was trying to avoid. It's like,

1034
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: where's a guy can run into. Let's go, let's see

1035
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: if let's see who's helmet's best. No, not mine. You

1036
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: were trying to not get hit. I was never trying

1037
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: to get hit, so and you were good at it.

1038
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: So that was the mentality. And over the years they've

1039
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: realized that you know, about every fourth kickoff injury, somebody's

1040
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: getting a concussion.

1041
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 2: And these are backup tight ends, these are corners, these

1042
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 2: wide receivers.

1043
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: It was guys like me nobody cared about right, so

1044
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: they would you know, they were like, eh, I think so.

1045
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,959
Speaker 1: Then the then player safety got involved and they said, okay,

1046
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: now we'll get them from a standing start, and everybody's

1047
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 1: got to be kind of now they kind of halfway

1048
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: did it to what they're going to do this Now

1049
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: they moved everybody up. Yep, nobody can get a running start,

1050
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: and when the balls kicked then you can begin, you know,

1051
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: because back in the day we got a running start

1052
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: and then timed it up right. So now this is

1053
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: the end of what all of those kicking plays looked

1054
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: like in the kickoff game, and everybody's worried that there's

1055
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: going to be some loophole somebody forgot about and somebody's

1056
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: going kind of touchdown every time you kick it to them.

1057
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: What I think, Steve, before we get to this break

1058
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 2: that maybe take the first month of the season September,

1059
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 2: watch what happens, and then I think you should start

1060
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 2: your own podcast just only talking special teams, punt gunning,

1061
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 2: new kickoff rules, because you could talk forever about that.

1062
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 3: You're an ultimate expert.

1063
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, well in that part. Now, I'm not an ultimate esper,

1064
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 1: but I know guys who are and they and they're worried.

1065
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you're thing you.

1066
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: Don't want to get shown up. That's mostly what it is.

1067
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 1: They don't care if you have If you have a loophole,

1068
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: as long as I know about it, I can defend

1069
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: it or take advantage of it myself. I get it.

1070
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: But if you think of something that I've never thought of.

1071
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 3: The head coach is coming after you.

1072
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: Yes, that is total embarrassment. You can't have it. So

1073
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: because of that, everybody's on pins and needles in the

1074
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: Special Teams world. So all right, we're gonna take a break.

1075
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: Stephen Ruiz is coming up after the break. He's the

1076
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: he's the co host of The Ringer NFL show. He's

1077
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: gonna come on with us talk about this Special Teams

1078
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: thing and some of the other stuff that's going around

1079
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: the league. This is One Bill's Live presented by Collida Health.

1080
00:50:38,360 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. This the One Bills Live presented

1081
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: by Call lighta Helth. Welcome back to the second hour

1082
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: of the show. Steve Tasker, along with Chris Carpasso sitting in. Today,

1083
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: we've been talking about the ten million dollar cap boost

1084
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: that the Bills are getting. At midnight tonight on June first,

1085
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 1: as the NFL calendar turns over. If is there something

1086
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: crazy you want to do with the money or should

1087
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: you just sit on it like a good little girl

1088
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: or boy. Just budget that money anything you want to do. Plus,

1089
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna get it, and we're gonna get joined now,

1090
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: of course, as we promised by Stephen Ruiz. He's an

1091
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: NFL writer for The Ringer. He also co hosts The

1092
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: Ringer NFL Show, the podcast Steven Thanks for coming on,

1093
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: You're on with me and Chris Torpasso. Appreciate your time.

1094
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: Lots to talk about year round in the NFL, but

1095
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: this June one thing is always a little bit interesting

1096
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: because you know the change over. Any What are your

1097
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: opening thoughts about that, if if any.

1098
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 9: On post June first cuts. I think it's smart to

1099
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 9: sit on that money, like you were saying. I think

1100
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 9: it's smart because that money does roll over to the

1101
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 9: next year. And if you're the Bills and you're this

1102
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 9: far along into the offseason program, I think you're comfortable

1103
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 9: with what you have. Maybe you add a piece here

1104
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 9: or there, but I think you can wait till mid season,

1105
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 9: wait till like the trade deadline to do that I

1106
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 9: don't think they need to be in a rush to

1107
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 9: spend that money. And I don't think a lot of

1108
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 9: teams in their position don't need to be in a

1109
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 9: rush to spend that money.

1110
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: If they get it right, it makes good sense. But

1111
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: let's say say this too. I mean, if you're not

1112
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: comfortable now with your roster, I mean, you got these

1113
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: ota and you got some problems. Now, the level of

1114
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: comfort maybe it may be mitigated or maybe upset by

1115
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: the fact that you got, like you sign a Jalen

1116
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: if you're the Miami Dolphin, you sign a Jalen Waddle.

1117
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: Then you got this other guy Tyree over here, this

1118
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: chirp and for his new deal, he's making thirty a

1119
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,959
Speaker 1: million a year. But you know, and then of course

1120
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: you've got Tua's contract that is still on the horizon.

1121
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: Some of these teams, you know, you know, you say

1122
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: you should be comfortable with where you're at. Some of

1123
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: them are a little bit more comfortable than others.

1124
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think if you're in Miami, you're it's not

1125
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 9: that so much that you're uncomfortable, it's just that things

1126
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 9: are going to change. Like the last two years, they've

1127
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 9: kind of been playing with house money. And I'm not

1128
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 9: saying that because like no one expected anything out of them.

1129
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 9: They've been playing with guys on cheaper deals. They've had

1130
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 9: two on a rookie deal. They've had Jalen Wattle on

1131
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 9: a rookie deal. They've had guys on the other side

1132
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 9: of the ball, like Christian Wilkins who just left on

1133
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 9: their rookie deal. I think this is the first year

1134
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 9: they're really learning a lesson the Bills have had to

1135
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 9: learn over the last couple of years, and how to

1136
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 9: manage your cap and how to stay on top once

1137
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 9: you get there.

1138
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 8: The Dolphins aren't on top that they're getting.

1139
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 9: Close to that, right, So yeah, I agree with you

1140
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 9: there there is some uncertainty, especially in South Beach right now.

1141
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 2: All right, let's stay with the Miami Dolphins, you know,

1142
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 2: coming off the heels of that Jalen Waddel extension yesterday

1143
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 2: to a tongue of Iloa.

1144
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 3: How do you like?

1145
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 2: I know you do so much film work and maybe

1146
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: could get to your take on brock Party that I

1147
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 2: agree with later in this interview.

1148
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 3: How do you view Tua?

1149
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,760
Speaker 2: Do you view him as the game manager type worthy

1150
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 2: of getting fifty million dollars per year because I think,

1151
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 2: I mean, certainly in South Beach, they're going to have

1152
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 2: to make that decision. From all the film you've watched,

1153
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 2: and just to early in his career, the growth that

1154
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 2: he's had, how do you view, to a tongue of Iiloa,

1155
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 2: what do you think the Dolphins should do with that

1156
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 2: contract that's kind of looming for him.

1157
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 9: I'll throw out the term that nobody wants to hear,

1158
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 9: especially when you're a quarterback, and I'll say he is

1159
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 9: a system quarterback. But I don't mean that to be

1160
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 9: derogatory necessarily. I do think he is a unique system

1161
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 9: quarterback in that his quick release, his anticipation. I think

1162
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 9: you can argue how valuable those are in the grand

1163
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,959
Speaker 9: scheme of things. But to that offense, just watch the tape.

1164
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 9: It's clear that a quarterback who gets rid of the

1165
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 9: ball makes that offense go a little faster than it

1166
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 9: would have. So I will say this like, he is

1167
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 9: a product of that system and that coaching staff and

1168
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 9: those players, but he's giving them something in return too.

1169
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 8: It's not like a one way street here, so it's

1170
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 8: a little complicated.

1171
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 9: I think they're at a point where you almost have

1172
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 9: to give two of that money. It seems like the

1173
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 9: locker room really loves them. Obviously, the fan base is

1174
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,959
Speaker 9: very passionate about him. Mike McDaniel says great things about

1175
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 9: him in public. I think it's easier to question that

1176
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 9: in January, when you're in Arrowhead and he's throwing a

1177
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 9: ten yard out about eight yards into the dirt.

1178
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 8: I think it's easy to question him then.

1179
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 9: But right now they're almost in a position where they

1180
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 9: have to pay him and they just have to hope

1181
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,280
Speaker 9: that he improves in other areas. And to his credit,

1182
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 9: he has done work this offseason, apparently working.

1183
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 8: On his mobility and his out of structure play.

1184
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 2: Perfect segue for the follow that I had last offseason.

1185
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 2: It was all about jiu jitsu and gaining weight to

1186
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 2: just have more cushion on his body so he wouldn't

1187
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 2: have the injury plague season that he had in twenty

1188
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 2: twenty two.

1189
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 3: Now he's apparently trimmed down.

1190
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 2: Just tell the viewers and the listeners, like where your

1191
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 2: stances on should to lose weight, gain weight? Should he

1192
00:55:58,360 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 2: go on a diet? Should he try to carve up?

1193
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 2: Like I'm a little confused by it? What do you

1194
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 2: think is the right move body structure wise for to

1195
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 2: a tongue of iloa here late in May.

1196
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 9: It's such a tough question to answer with him, just

1197
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 9: because of the injury concerns, and last year he gained

1198
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,760
Speaker 9: the weight to get through the full season, and then

1199
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 9: after he gets through the full season, they're like, okay,

1200
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 9: you could you can take the weight off.

1201
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 8: Now.

1202
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 9: That's kind of hard to reconcile for me, But when

1203
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 9: you hear them explain it, when you hear like twist

1204
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 9: people explain what they're going for, like mobility within the

1205
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 9: pocket and outside of the pocket. Like, I think it

1206
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 9: makes sense when you look at the numbers to it

1207
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 9: hasn't been this light since twenty twenty.

1208
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 8: That was the last time he reached over eighteen miles

1209
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 8: per hour in a game per next Gen stats.

1210
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 9: So like, apparently that extra weight has slowed him down

1211
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 9: a bit, And if he does lose some weight, maybe

1212
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 9: he'll add a couple miles per hour to his running

1213
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 9: and maybe that will open up another layer to his

1214
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 9: game that we haven't quite see seen. But I'll be

1215
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 9: the first to admit I was laughing at the jiu

1216
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 9: jitsu stuff last year.

1217
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 8: I was like, that's not like he's learning how to

1218
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 8: fall like he's twenty four years old. He's been in

1219
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 8: that NFL. Can you watch it on tape.

1220
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 9: You see him get pushed back and then he does

1221
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 9: like a jiu jitsu spin to avoid hitting his head,

1222
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:05,240
Speaker 9: and you're like, oh, it worked.

1223
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 8: So I'm not gonna question this one either.

1224
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: Right. Let me just say that last year during the offseason,

1225
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: when the jiu jitsu stuff came out, I had a

1226
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: lot of fun with it on the air. I mean

1227
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: I I was busting his chops big time. But you know,

1228
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: two is one of the guys in the league who

1229
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: I think everybody would have a heart. You would have

1230
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: to justify putting him in an elite status. I mean,

1231
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: Miami fans will do it. They'll say he led the

1232
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: league in passing, no question about it. But you know

1233
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: there's something in there that's like, not like Mahomes, It's

1234
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: not like Josh Allen, it's not like Lamar, not like

1235
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: even Justin Herbert. Right, So there's some stuff in there

1236
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: where you think you kind of got to justify your

1237
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: passion about how good Tua is. But we have seen

1238
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: him from day one when he came out. Now, there's

1239
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: a there's six six rookie quarterbacks who got taken in

1240
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: the top twelve picks of the NFL Draft this year,

1241
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: and we're all looking at all of them, like from

1242
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams all the way through bow Nicks, Right, I mean,

1243
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on, you know, this crop and

1244
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: how they're gonna get handled. And I know, you know,

1245
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: all these NFL teams seem the same, but the situations

1246
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: are vastly different.

1247
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's really tough, especially with those guys that were

1248
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 9: taken you know later, the second tier guys, because you

1249
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 9: get Caleb, Jayden Daniels, you get Drake Maco and one, two, three,

1250
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 9: and then you kind of have a little bit of

1251
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 9: a rest point. Then you have three guys go from

1252
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 9: pick nine to pick twelve. I think those guys are

1253
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 9: gonna have the toughest. I think those top three they're

1254
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 9: just gonna deal with the things that rookie quarterbacks tend

1255
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 9: to deal with. I think those three are the ones

1256
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 9: that kind of got elevated, and I think that's a

1257
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 9: product of this league just being desperate for quarterbacks like

1258
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 9: JJ McCarthy, a bow.

1259
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 8: Knicks, a Michael Penix.

1260
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 9: I think those guys get drafted on Day two, maybe

1261
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 9: like five ten years ago, when I don't think the

1262
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 9: league was I don't think it was the quarterback position

1263
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 9: was viewed as drastically as it is now.

1264
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 8: Like we're talking, we're talking about two attack of by lower.

1265
00:58:58,200 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 9: Like the guy has led the league in passing for

1266
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 9: the last two years, he throws thirty touchdowns every year,

1267
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 9: and here we are questioning, like whether the Dolphins should

1268
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 9: pay him. I think that, like the bar has been

1269
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 9: raised so risen so high for quarterbacks that you see

1270
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 9: these teams start to reach for them. And so I'm

1271
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 9: like worried more about bo Nicks kind of living up

1272
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 9: to the first round billing when when you look at

1273
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 9: the tape, like his prospect profile suggests that he's not

1274
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 9: that type of player and that maybe we should temper

1275
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 9: our expectations for him.

1276
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 2: Sticking with the quarterbacks, I mentioned it earlier. I certainly

1277
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: follow your work at The Ringer and know that, like me,

1278
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 2: I think brock Perty is a great quarterback. I can't

1279
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 2: put him in the top ten. I know you've been

1280
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 2: lower on him. What has that been like just in

1281
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 2: your Twitter and X mentions dealing with saying that you

1282
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 2: don't think brock Purty is really that guy who can

1283
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 2: elevate those around him. So that question and then just

1284
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 2: give us your general thoughts and kind of weird because

1285
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 2: I know you're big on quarterback rankings. Where you have

1286
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 2: viewed Josh Allen over the last few years, you know,

1287
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 2: after his breakout.

1288
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 9: Yeah, the party. It's a tough conversation to have. I

1289
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 9: don't think there's really room for nuance on either side. Like,

1290
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 9: I find myself more in the middle, Like there are

1291
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 9: people that think he's a bad player.

1292
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 8: Maybe I was there like last year, but after.

1293
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 9: This past season, I've softened my stance on him a bit.

1294
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 9: I see the value that he brings compared to other

1295
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 9: quote unquote system quarterbacks, Like I think he does more

1296
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 9: out of structure, He does more to create offense for

1297
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 9: that team. But I think we need to be rational

1298
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 9: and realistic about his skill set. And I think one

1299
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 9: issue with him, and it's not his fault at all.

1300
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 9: I think he is very aware of his skill set

1301
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 9: and his abilities. When you when you hear him in

1302
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 9: an interview, he's very humble about like his place in

1303
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 9: the forty nine ers offense. But I think what happens

1304
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 9: with him is that we see the success, we know

1305
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 9: he was mister irrelevant, and then we kind of fill

1306
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 9: in the narrative gaps for why that's happening. We're like, oh, well,

1307
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 9: I mean he doesn't have arm strength, he's not six

1308
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 9: or five, and he doesn't run a four to three.

1309
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 8: It must be an anticipation and accuracy. I think he's

1310
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 8: good in those areas. I don't think he's great in

1311
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 8: those areas.

1312
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 9: And I think that kind of gets in bellish just

1313
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 9: to fill in those narrative gaps, if that makes sense.

1314
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: So when you talk about all the different situations and

1315
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: certainly brought pretty, you know, it's hard to imagine him

1316
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: falling into a better one than where he's at right now.

1317
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: But you get a guys like and like the Atlanta

1318
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: Falcons taking Michael PENNOCKX Junior. The Falcons they've got Kirk Cousins,

1319
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: just paid him a boatload of money and then draft

1320
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: an old rookie. And I say old rookies. He guy's

1321
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: twenty four years old who's had a lot of injury,

1322
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: Miley John. But he does have a live arm. He's

1323
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: got some really good tape. If you look at him

1324
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: on you know, if you look at him, watch him

1325
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: out of Washington, is Mike Pennix maybe in the best

1326
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 1: situation of any of these players because there's no pressure

1327
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: on him to get on the field. He does have

1328
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: a chance to assimilate himself in He's got a skill

1329
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: set that speaks well to the NFL at that level,

1330
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: at least physically. He may be the one who, long

1331
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: in the long run, has the best situation going forward.

1332
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:05,439
Speaker 9: He definitely has the best roster around him. I think

1333
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 9: of the guys that got drafted this year, I think

1334
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 9: the one thing I would say about his situation that

1335
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 9: I wouldn't envy if I was a quarterback is he's

1336
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 9: not gonna get live reps. Are not gonna get as

1337
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 9: many live reps as the other teams that I do

1338
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 9: think that's the best way to fill in the gaps

1339
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 9: for these quarterbacks. Like with Michael Penix, the concern is

1340
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 9: how often he tests windows over the middle of the

1341
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 9: field and whether that's going to translate to the NFL.

1342
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 9: And I don't know how you get more confident testing

1343
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 9: tight windows, especially against NFL athletes from the bench and

1344
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 9: playing only in preseason, playing only in practice against like

1345
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 9: second stringers and stuff, So I am concerned there, but I.

1346
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 8: Do agree with you.

1347
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 9: I wasn't the highest on Penis as a prospect, but

1348
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 9: landing in this situation, if he does have like a

1349
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 9: normal development and he is able to somehow get those reps,

1350
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 9: I wouldn't be surprised if he is a Pro Bowl

1351
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 9: contender in like four years, just because I think that

1352
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 9: that or In at length is really strong and I

1353
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 9: think it does work to his strengths as a passer.

1354
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 3: Switching gears to the wide receiver spot.

1355
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:07,479
Speaker 2: And it feels like every time I'm on the show,

1356
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 2: we talk so much about the Bills receiver group and

1357
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 2: the landscape of wide receivers. Steven, where do you come

1358
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 2: down on We're kind of at this interesting point where

1359
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 2: a lot of teams are paying receivers higher average per

1360
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 2: year than we've ever seen. Jalen Waddel is kind of

1361
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 2: a clear number two, close to thirty million per year.

1362
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 2: We have all of these big domino set to fall.

1363
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 2: I know you guys on your NFL show talked about

1364
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson. That's a looming deal. Ceedee, Lamb Brandon, Auk

1365
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 2: T Higgins. But then we've seen teams like the Bills,

1366
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 2: like the Chiefs, even the Green Bay Packers trade away

1367
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 2: or let those you know, marquee players leave at the

1368
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 2: receiver spot to go with a youth movement. What do

1369
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 2: you think is the better plan of action? Does it matter,

1370
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 2: does it depend on your quarterback? Where do you come

1371
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 2: down on? Just the landscape of wide receivers now presumably

1372
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 2: a few of them making more than thirty million per season.

1373
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 9: I almost now compare it to the quarterback market, where

1374
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 9: like if I'm paying Patrick Mahomes sixty million dollars a year, like,

1375
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 9: you can't overpay Patrick Mahomes, right, I'm fine with it

1376
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 9: either way.

1377
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 8: We'll make the necessary adjustments around him.

1378
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 9: If I'm paying Derek Goff sixty billion dollars a year,

1379
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 9: then we have problems. The problems pop up elsewhere when

1380
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 9: we can't keep that supporting cast around him. For me,

1381
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 9: it's similar to the receiver, like if it's an elite,

1382
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 9: a legitimately elite receiver, like one of the top four receivers,

1383
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 9: and it's not a number for me necessarily, it's how

1384
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:27,479
Speaker 9: you affect the game. I think there are like four

1385
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 9: receivers right now who who are a big part of

1386
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 9: the game plan when a defense is planning for them

1387
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 9: during the week. I would say, like Tyreek is definitely

1388
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 9: one of those guys, just because you know that speed.

1389
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 9: DeVante Adams was there. It's kind of hard to say

1390
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 9: now with the quarterback situation in Las Vegas if he's

1391
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 9: still there justin Jefferson obviously, But like when you get

1392
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 9: to a guy like Jaylen Waddle, who is like obviously

1393
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 9: talented and obviously changes games because of his speed, I

1394
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 9: don't think he's that receiver you could put anywhere on

1395
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 9: the field and in any role, ask him to run

1396
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 9: a route to any level of the field, and you

1397
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 9: can be confident that he's going to get the job done.

1398
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 9: So I would pump the brakes on giving him that

1399
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 9: type of deal. But like a guy like Tyreek, I

1400
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 9: would pay him.

1401
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 3: Okay, right now, we're like.

1402
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: Say, like Jamar Chase, is he in that conversation that

1403
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:09,439
Speaker 1: kind of guy?

1404
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think I would say he's the bar right

1405
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 9: because I think we need to see it a little

1406
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 9: bit more. Obviously, he has the high end explosiveness. I

1407
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 9: don't know if we've seen the down to down consistency.

1408
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 9: I don't like on third and ten, Jamar Chase isn't

1409
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 9: necessarily the target for Joe Burrow. Usually it's te Higgins

1410
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 9: because I think te Higgins is a more reliable intermediate

1411
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 9: route runner. So I think that's the one thing I

1412
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 9: would question about Jamar Chase. But like the high end play,

1413
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 9: he's there obviously.

1414
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit about, you know, around

1415
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: the AFC, the entire conference. I mean, we got this

1416
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 1: the thing that sitting here in Buffalo. They've won the

1417
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 1: East four years straight. They came from behind and walked

1418
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: down the Miami Dolphins and have a three game deficit

1419
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 1: with five games to play and walk them down and

1420
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 1: beat him. But this year, Aaron Rodgers is back in

1421
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: the saddle, and the Jets have at least from this

1422
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 1: end of the schedule, not that not after it's over,

1423
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 1: but at this end of the schedule, the Jets look

1424
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 1: to have a roster that won seven games with no

1425
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: quarterback play, let alone mediocre or atrocious quarterback play. I

1426
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 1: mean they you know, they had zero. So the Jets

1427
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: I think got to be put into the conversation for

1428
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: being right there with Buffalo right now, depending on how

1429
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: Aaron plays, obviously and how healthy he can stay. But

1430
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: give us your thoughts about you know, if you're looking

1431
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: at the seven playoff teams from this last year in

1432
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 1: the AFC, there's like always there's going to be new

1433
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: teams that are going to be in there. What are

1434
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 1: your thoughts about who that might be.

1435
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm with you.

1436
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 9: I'm higher on the Jets, and I think most people

1437
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 9: are just because of how last year ended. I'm higher

1438
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 9: on the Jets now that I was at the same

1439
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 9: point last year before the Aaron Rodgers injury, before we

1440
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 9: saw like the whole circus with that team over the

1441
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 9: last season. And I think one of the more underrated

1442
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 9: things about Rogers coming back just is it like replacing

1443
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 9: Zach Wilson and whatever bad quarterback play they got. I

1444
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 9: think it's supplementing Nate Hackett and helping him do his

1445
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 9: job because Aaron Rodgers, for all intents and purposes, is

1446
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 9: going to be the OC of that team. That was

1447
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 9: the case at the end of the Mike McCarthy era

1448
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 9: when he was changing fifty to sixty percent of the

1449
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 9: plays at the line of scrimmage. So I'm less concerned

1450
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 9: about the coaching staff than I was a year ago,

1451
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 9: even though it hasn't changed at all just because you're

1452
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 9: going to have a coach out on the field, and

1453
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 9: then I'm like the pieces they added, I know, they're

1454
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 9: like they're lottery tickets essentially, like Tyron Smith. At this point,

1455
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 9: you're either getting a Pro Bowl left tackle or he's

1456
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:31,439
Speaker 9: playing five games. Mike Williams, you're either getting a high

1457
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 9: end number two our guy that's playing three games. But

1458
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 9: if those guys do stay healthy, I think this is

1459
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 9: a team that could challenge Buffalo in the AFC East

1460
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 9: because I think Buffalo, like when you're analyzing a team

1461
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 9: going into the season, there are things that you know

1462
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 9: for a fact are going to work out.

1463
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 8: Like Josh Allen is going to be a good quarterback

1464
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 8: for Buffalo. The question mark we have is the receiving corps.

1465
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 9: I think in the past, Buffalo you've had fewer of

1466
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 9: those question marks and had more of those sure things.

1467
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 9: But now they're kind of in the same rama's the Jets,

1468
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 9: where like we have a couple of short things, but

1469
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 9: we all were also banking on these things to go

1470
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 9: right for us. So it's really a matter of who

1471
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 9: gets the most breaks, which is like in a sixteen

1472
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 9: game our seventeen game NFL season, that typically is how

1473
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 9: it is for.

1474
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 2: Sure last one for me, which this is a very

1475
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 2: good indication that we are a This is a late

1476
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 2: May show. I want to go back to quarterbacks and

1477
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 2: dropping weight. Lamar Jackson, you guys recently talked about it

1478
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 2: on your podcast. He's another one that apparently has lost weight.

1479
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 2: He's more spelt than he ever was. Just give us

1480
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 2: your general thoughts on that. I mean, are already one

1481
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 2: of the most dynamic, scrambling quarterbacks in NFL history. Do

1482
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 2: you think a good idea or bad idea for Lamar

1483
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 2: Jackson to shed weight going into twenty twenty four.

1484
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:43,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1485
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 9: We dropped a couple of stats on that podcast mentioning

1486
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:48,799
Speaker 9: how Lamar's speed, his miles per hour.

1487
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 8: Has had kind of gone down over the last couple

1488
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 8: of years.

1489
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 9: So I think he's kind of doing the same thing

1490
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 9: too is and trying to get back some old speed

1491
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 9: that he used to have.

1492
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 8: I'm gonna trust Lamar here. I don't.

1493
01:08:58,280 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 9: This isn't like a two a thing where he's changing

1494
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 9: his body every year trying to, like, you know, get

1495
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 9: the perfect version of himself. I think Lamar knows what

1496
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:06,600
Speaker 9: he's doing. I think he's just making tweaks more so

1497
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 9: than radical changes. I would like to see how it

1498
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 9: helps him navigate the pocket, like within the pocket. I

1499
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 9: do think that's one of the areas where he can

1500
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 9: grow a little bit more. I think he's a little

1501
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 9: underrated there, I will say that, but he can do

1502
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 9: a better job of stepping up and buying time and

1503
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 9: making his offensive line look better. I think that was

1504
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 9: one of the issues with the offense in the playoffs

1505
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 9: last year. Lamar could have done more to help out

1506
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 9: his offensive line, and maybe this is the key.

1507
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 8: I don't know. I have to see it in September.

1508
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 2: Not a question, but just one quick thing for me

1509
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 2: that as we're talking about all these quarterbacks. Wait, I looked,

1510
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 2: and you guys mentioned it again on your The Ringer

1511
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 2: NFL Show podcast.

1512
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:43,480
Speaker 3: Silly or serious?

1513
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 4: Uh?

1514
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 2: That tool was around two thirty five six foot two

1515
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 2: thirty five. That's like fullback size. That was crazy to

1516
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:54,600
Speaker 2: me that he he was wearing that flag jacket. But

1517
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 2: I think there was some weight under there, Like I

1518
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 2: think he needs to be closer to two fifteen or

1519
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 2: two twenty only being six foot tall.

1520
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, you go back and watch him in college. You

1521
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 9: watch him in his rookie year, and he looks like

1522
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,639
Speaker 9: a different player. Yeah, you wouldn't recognize him from twenty

1523
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 9: twenty three, especially you could see the weight on him

1524
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 9: and I and that was already a weakness with him,

1525
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,799
Speaker 9: right was that creating out of structure, going beyond the system.

1526
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 9: And I thought last year it was even worse than

1527
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 9: it had been in years prior. So I understand why

1528
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 9: he's trying to get back. I don't know if you

1529
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 9: guys have seen recent pictures of him, but he may

1530
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 9: have gone overboard.

1531
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 8: He's just like a completely different guy right now.

1532
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 1: Well, well we'll see him soon enough, that's for sure.

1533
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: Steven Ruiz, thanks for joining us, man, I appreciate your time.

1534
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 8: Thanks for having me, guys.

1535
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 1: Steve the Ringer from The Ringer NFL writer Stephen Ruiz.

1536
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 1: He is a co host also of The Ringer NFL show.

1537
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 1: Good stuff there about the league, and he's right. You

1538
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 1: you make these observations about the quarterbacks, and there's a

1539
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 1: lot in there about you know, they're always trying to

1540
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 1: get better. I mean never, they never do it to

1541
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 1: get worse, right, they do it because they feel bad.

1542
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: But he's right to a put weight on and did

1543
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 1: all the jiu jitsu stuff.

1544
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 3: Was able to stay healthy.

1545
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 1: And he got a new helmet, all that stuff in

1546
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,759
Speaker 1: an effort to stay healthy, did that, and now he's

1547
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:09,639
Speaker 1: like scale back, going back.

1548
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 3: I just can't believe he was six foot two thirty

1549
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 3: last year.

1550
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 1: That's just like he looked.

1551
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 3: He looked.

1552
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 1: He looked a little dowe. I will admit that. Also,

1553
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 1: this just came in while we were talking to Stephen Ruiz.

1554
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 1: Word has come by from Adam Schefter a guy. Have

1555
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 1: you ever heard of a guy named Gable Steveson? N No,

1556
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 1: I have not. He is an Olympic gold medalist and

1557
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: one of the most dominant college wrestlers in NCAA history.

1558
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 1: Guess who he's signing with.

1559
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 3: Sean McDermott.

1560
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott is a Carter Chow has put that through

1561
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 1: out that Stevenson, I'm not going to try to join

1562
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 1: Bob Hayes as the only athlete in history to win

1563
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, as he hopes to do with the

1564
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills and have an Olympic gold medal, which he

1565
01:11:55,280 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 1: already got. So welcome Gable Steveson to Bill's Mafia, like leaked.

1566
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 3: A few weeks ago, but to sign that to a

1567
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:03,639
Speaker 3: multi year deal.

1568
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: Let me just say this, the one guy you don't

1569
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 1: want to get into a training camp fight with gables

1570
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 1: that will tie you into a pretzel and rip you in.

1571
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 3: He's gonna play defensive line apparently.

1572
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 1: I guess I haven't even I've never even laid eyes

1573
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 1: on my I think I could be a corner for

1574
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: all one.

1575
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 2: So I just looked he has He's never played football before.

1576
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 2: He is listed at six one two sixty five, So

1577
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 2: I think we're talking up the field, pass rusher.

1578
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:32,799
Speaker 3: Speed, leverage, handwork.

1579
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 2: I mean, you're not gonna have any concerns with how

1580
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 2: he uses his hands to win the leverage battle, because

1581
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:39,719
Speaker 2: that's obviously how you win the gold medal.

1582
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 1: And I'll say this too right out of the gate,

1583
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 1: it's a long road. I mean, it's a huge ass

1584
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 1: for a guy to come in as a as a

1585
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 1: wrestler that even that accomplished, to come in and learn

1586
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 1: a different skill set. There's been a conversation You've probably

1587
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 1: been part of this, the conversation lately about could NBA

1588
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 1: players play in the NFL and could NFL players cross

1589
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 1: over play in the NBA Athletically, at the top of

1590
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 1: the chain. Yes, there are guys in both sports that

1591
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 1: could have crossed over athletically, but you have to start

1592
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 1: when you're eight years old. You don't start when you're

1593
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:10,240
Speaker 1: twenty eight. It just doesn't work like that. The skill

1594
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:14,599
Speaker 1: set is too specific and it's too advanced to make

1595
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 1: it easy for those guys, no matter how athletically gifted

1596
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 1: they are, to do that and make that transition. It's

1597
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 1: the same thing you're talking about here with Gable Stevenson.

1598
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 1: He may be physically capable of coming in and playing

1599
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 1: and competing at the level athletically, but you ask any

1600
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 1: rookie in the NFL, and maybe this way in the

1601
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 1: NBA as well, and probably not to the extent, but

1602
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 1: in the NFL, rookies come in and their heads are

1603
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 1: swimming because they've got this guy they've never heard of

1604
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 1: playing either third offensive tackle in the depth chart, but

1605
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 1: he's been around for eight years and you're trying to

1606
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 1: get him, and the guy just techniques you to death out.

1607
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 1: You can out jump him, you can outrun him, you

1608
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 1: can outlift him. You're stronger, you're probably even tougher, but

1609
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 1: because of his technique, you can't beat him. That's what

1610
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 1: these young athletic guys come in in have to deal

1611
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 1: with and this is what Gable Stevenson will be up against.

1612
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: It's interesting because he's obviously an incredibly accomplished wrestler.

1613
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 2: Top one percent athletic, that's right. That's maybe even more

1614
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:17,679
Speaker 2: than that being an Olympic goal medalist. Now on each

1615
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 2: side of the ball, the Bills have that long term

1616
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,639
Speaker 2: project never played football, seventh thrond draft pick Travis Clayton

1617
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 2: offensive line now Gable Stevenson along the defensive line. So

1618
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 2: interesting that the Bills. It actually kind of makes sense

1619
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,759
Speaker 2: with what the Bills have done in the draft. They've

1620
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 2: signed or drafted these uh, you know, longer term projects

1621
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 2: Spencer Brown, Josh Allen, Tremaine Adams, Dawson Knox, and they

1622
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 2: like to develop and trust their coaching staff to teach

1623
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 2: them everything that you were just talking about the technique

1624
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 2: that will blend with that athleticism.

1625
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 1: All Right, we're gonna take a break. We're gonna come

1626
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 1: back and talk about your tweet sheet. We've got a

1627
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 1: lot of responses to our Twitter poll about what to

1628
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:57,679
Speaker 1: do with this ten million dollars boon to the salary

1629
01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 1: cap of the Bills have gotten what else they need

1630
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 1: to do with their roster. We'll also chit chat with

1631
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 1: anybody else who calls this, and we got some phone

1632
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 1: lines open if you wanted. AH three oh five fifty

1633
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker, Christrapasso. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio listening to

1634
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 1: One Bill's Live. Welcome back to One Bill's Live. Steve

1635
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 1: Tasker along with Chris Trapasso. We it's Friday. So we

1636
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 1: opened up the mail bag and we got a lot

1637
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 1: of responses from from all of our listeners and viewers

1638
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 1: from around the area. And also, you know we're big.

1639
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 2: We've had we had a call yesterday Mississippi, Arizona, Charlotte,

1640
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 2: and Ontario.

1641
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 3: So we're actually international. Yes, we're international.

1642
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 1: We had a call from Ontario today and a Charlotte

1643
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 1: call today as well. So anyway, the fan mail bag

1644
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 1: is here. This is from JAG. What are the chances

1645
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 1: we look back at the end of twenty twenty four

1646
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 1: and say, man, the roster in twenty twenty four was

1647
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 1: better than it was in twenty twenty three. I have

1648
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 1: said this, and I'll continue to say until I'm wrong.

1649
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 1: I believe this. This roster is going to be better athletically,

1650
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 1: It's going to be younger, more athletic. They may be

1651
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 1: able to stay a little healthier on the defensive side

1652
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 1: of the ball because of that. But I think that

1653
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:19,480
Speaker 1: this roster has a chance to be maybe Sean McDermott's

1654
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:21,679
Speaker 1: best roster at the end of the year. I don't

1655
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 1: know if I can expect that week one, but the

1656
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 1: reps that they're gonna get, and the and the games

1657
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 1: that they and the evolution that we've seen through Sean

1658
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:35,799
Speaker 1: McDermott teams have crescendoed like last year is a perfect example,

1659
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 1: and there have been other years too. They get out

1660
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 1: of the gate fast and then they they they chop

1661
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 1: it up, you know, win loss, win loss in the

1662
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:44,759
Speaker 1: middle of the season, and then they close with a flurry.

1663
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:47,679
Speaker 1: We've seen it on more than one occasion during Sean

1664
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 1: McDermott seasons here in Buffalo. I think this has a

1665
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 1: chance to be that kind of team, except that I

1666
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: think the chopping part comes early, and I.

1667
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 3: Think as the acclimating to this, I think the longer.

1668
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 1: This season rolls on, the better this squad is going

1669
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 1: to get. I really think there's a high end at

1670
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 1: this with this group that was maybe higher than the

1671
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 1: ones they've had in the past.

1672
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you're looking at overall roster, there's

1673
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 2: a pretty good chance of that. I think last year

1674
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 2: when the Bills went through that lull offensively, it was

1675
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 2: because it was so predicated on Stefan Diggs having eight

1676
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 2: catches for one hundred and fifty yards and two touchdowns.

1677
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 2: Didn't give a lot of production from Gabe Davis. We've

1678
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:27,839
Speaker 2: talked about it ad nauseum about Khalil Shakir and Kincaid

1679
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 2: and Ray Davis and Dawson Knox and Curtis Samuel. You're

1680
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:34,680
Speaker 2: talking about top to bottom roster wise, Yes, I do

1681
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 2: think this year. I'm not guaranteeing it, but there is

1682
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 2: a distinct possibility that the receiver group, the offensive line,

1683
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 2: the defensive line, the secondary, and like Steve saying, may

1684
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 2: not be the case week one, but when it really

1685
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 2: counts for what the Bill's realistic goals are in January

1686
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 2: and potentially February, I think we can look back and

1687
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 2: say it's a better roster.

1688
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 1: This group may have a chance of getting further than

1689
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 1: we've seen other groups go if they can stay healthy

1690
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 1: and do progress like like others have. You know, with

1691
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 1: lesser athletic ability. Vince on the Friday Fan mail Bag

1692
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 1: says this, how many or has asks this? He says,

1693
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: how many wide receivers make this roster with quality special

1694
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 1: teams help? Being a sneaky need, how does this crowded

1695
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 1: wide receiver room have anyone that can double as a

1696
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 1: special team or until the number their number is called?

1697
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 1: In Josh Allen's offense, I'm thinking there's gonna be maybe seven, Okay,

1698
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 1: six for sure.

1699
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 3: I was gonna say six.

1700
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:33,680
Speaker 1: Definitely, six for sure, and there may be times when

1701
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 1: all six guys are active, depending on how they get

1702
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 1: Because you've got guys like Terrell Shavers and Justin Shorter.

1703
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 1: If they're on the roster, they're big, and they're gonna

1704
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 1: be able to help on special teams because they'll they'll

1705
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 1: be able to hold their own physically in taking on

1706
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:53,639
Speaker 1: and shedding blocks and also making blocks on kickoff, kickoff return,

1707
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 1: pun punk return and not just as gunners, but an

1708
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 1: interior guys on punt team. You've got to have a

1709
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,559
Speaker 1: skill set. Aj Hammler is a great guy to maybe

1710
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 1: be a candidate for return guy. Andy Isabella may be

1711
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 1: the fastest, at least the quickest guy on the wide

1712
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 1: receiver squad. So there's some guys in there, but you

1713
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:18,680
Speaker 1: can bet it's going to be Khalil Shakir, Curtis Samuel.

1714
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 10: I think mac collins is mccollins is a lot, Chase Claypool,

1715
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 10: if he has a great camp, I don't know how

1716
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 10: you get rid of him, obviously, Keon Coleman.

1717
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 1: There's five right there.

1718
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 2: So to me it's yeah, so those five and then

1719
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 2: I think we talked about Tyrrell Shavers. You mentioned him

1720
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 2: that that he's that big body that made some plays

1721
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:38,560
Speaker 2: in camp in the preseason.

1722
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 1: Tyrel Shavers and Justin Schuz and.

1723
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 2: Justin Shorter, Chase Claypool, kJ Hamler, that's four receivers. I

1724
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 2: think they're kind of going to be jockeying for two spots.

1725
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,639
Speaker 1: kJ Hamler is a completely different player than those other things.

1726
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 3: They're all bigger. He's the speed guy.

1727
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:55,599
Speaker 1: Right. It's an interesting question, but you can bet there's

1728
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 1: going to be at least six guys on the roster

1729
01:19:57,479 --> 01:19:59,719
Speaker 1: that play wide receiver, six out of these thirteen.

1730
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 2: And to the question here about the special teams addition,

1731
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 2: of course, with a Chase Claypool, with the Justin Shorter,

1732
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 2: Tyrrel Shavers. These are bigger guys tacklers kJ hamlers just

1733
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,679
Speaker 2: can carve out a role as maybe the number one

1734
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 2: returner or a backup returner. So it'll be really interesting

1735
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 2: that most of the depth that wide receiver that the

1736
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 2: Bills have bigger guys. That's been an emphasis addition wise

1737
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 2: to this roster. But then you have Andy Isabella kja

1738
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 2: Handler to still have some speed when they get deeper

1739
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 2: into the wide receiver room.

1740
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 1: From Ed on the tweet Friday fan mail bag, he asks,

1741
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 1: what is the fiercest Bill's position competition? What is it

1742
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 1: going to be? And why? What do you think what

1743
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:44,600
Speaker 1: position group is going to be the fiercest competition you

1744
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 1: Maybe it depends on your point of view. It could

1745
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 1: be the offensive line because you got five guys that

1746
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 1: can play. But you got a group you bring Lyle

1747
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 1: Collins in, who has been an elite tackle in this league.

1748
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:58,639
Speaker 1: If they're allowed to compete, I think that might be

1749
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 1: the most high level petition you'll see because they're so

1750
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:04,879
Speaker 1: good and so deep, so big and so athletic down inside,

1751
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 1: and you've got so many guys that have established themselves

1752
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:10,759
Speaker 1: as as a guy you know, even you know, even

1753
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 1: Osyrus Torrance is like a fixture. Now, you know, we'll

1754
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 1: see now the absence of Mitch Morris and if you're

1755
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 1: gonna and we've always thought, I don't know if they're

1756
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 1: going to do it or not move mcconnor McGovern down.

1757
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 1: But you drafted Van Prant Granger who's played at the

1758
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 1: highest level outside of the NFL, YEP and done it

1759
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 1: extremely well at the highest level for a long time.

1760
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 1: So I think that might be the one place where

1761
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 1: you're thinking, wow, that's now. I don't know that there's

1762
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 1: gonna be that many people who are that interested in

1763
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 1: the offensive line because you know, but because we were

1764
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:47,759
Speaker 1: just talking about the wide receivers and the thirteen guys

1765
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 1: and there, you know, there's one guy in the room

1766
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 1: of thirteen. There's like twelve guys who have never caught

1767
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 1: a pass from Josh Allen in a game twelve or

1768
01:21:57,160 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 1: the thirteen. So you talk about a clear deck, that's it.

1769
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:02,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1770
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 2: I mean to me, for as much as I'm kind

1771
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 2: of searching here looking at the Bills roster for an

1772
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:09,759
Speaker 2: interesting answer, I do think it is that wide receiver

1773
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 2: ford a wide receiver six battle and we have so

1774
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:14,679
Speaker 2: many like the Bills have so many bigger body types

1775
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 2: that are similar.

1776
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 3: How does Justin Shorter.

1777
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 2: Separate himself or is it Chase Claypool or is it

1778
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 2: Tyrrel Shavers who started at Alabama? Is it one of

1779
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 2: those bigger body types mvs. We didn't even mention him.

1780
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 2: He's also, you know, a bigger body type that they

1781
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 2: just signed recently. If I had to make another pick, though,

1782
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 2: I would maybe say the depth at linebacker we know

1783
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 2: went healthy. It's Matt Malano, Terrel Bernard. They're going to

1784
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 2: be the two linebackers, and of course it used to

1785
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 2: be three linebackers today. Nickel is the base defense, certainly

1786
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 2: for the Bills. They're always leading the league or near

1787
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,600
Speaker 2: the top of the league percentage wise with two linebackers

1788
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 2: on the field. But how about behind Matt Mlonal that

1789
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 2: we saw the Bills were plugging in aj Klein you

1790
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:54,600
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier. There's Dorian Williams. They liked Baile Inspector the

1791
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:56,639
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two seven, those.

1792
01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 1: Guys, both those guys, The first thing you think about him,

1793
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:02,839
Speaker 1: they're athletes, they can really range, they are really good athletes.

1794
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 2: But then the first free agent signing that the Bill's

1795
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:09,759
Speaker 2: made was Nicholas Morrow. They drafted Eddie Ulifocio from Washington

1796
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:14,679
Speaker 2: at linebacker, Dion Jones. Even Joe Andresen, the local kid

1797
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 2: from ub right around here in Western New York, played

1798
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 2: his high school ball here at Lancaster. There's a lot

1799
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:25,600
Speaker 2: of different athletic body types. Where who's going to be

1800
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:29,559
Speaker 2: that back up to Matt Milano or to a Terrell Bernard.

1801
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 2: That linebacker spot was ravaged by injuries last year. That

1802
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:34,680
Speaker 2: doesn't mean it's going to happen again. But if I

1803
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 2: had to say something beyond the depth at wide receiver,

1804
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 2: I think it is the linebacker spot right behind the

1805
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,560
Speaker 2: two and trench starters Matt Milano Antell.

1806
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 1: Because you think Deon Jones and Nick Morrow are guys

1807
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 1: who are long and not I say long in the two.

1808
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 1: They're veterans. Deon Jones nine years, Nick Morro seven years.

1809
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:57,640
Speaker 1: They've been around the block. And then you know Milano,

1810
01:23:57,720 --> 01:23:58,559
Speaker 1: Terrell Bernard.

1811
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 3: I love Dorian. I think Jorian Williams.

1812
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 1: Is a guy who's really fun to watch play.

1813
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 7: Now.

1814
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if he knows where he's going or

1815
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:06,760
Speaker 1: where he's supposed to be, but the guy's around the ball,

1816
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:10,800
Speaker 1: which is always a good thing, and he flashed at

1817
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 1: times when he did get on the field last year.

1818
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 1: Baalen Spector is a guy who was an outstanding athlete

1819
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 1: when I think he was in was it Clemson, Clemson

1820
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 1: seventh Throws and just you know, that was what he was.

1821
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 1: He was an athlete so then. But but also he's

1822
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 1: the guy that was here when they brought in AJ Klein,

1823
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:28,679
Speaker 1: and AJ Klein played he did for him. So there's

1824
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 1: there's something there that we're not seeing. Right. So there's

1825
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:35,599
Speaker 1: a lot in this linebacker room, and you're right, they

1826
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 1: only played two guys at inside linebacker. They need to

1827
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 1: be the right guys. They really need to be the

1828
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:43,719
Speaker 1: right guys.

1829
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 2: We've talked so much about the youth movement overall with

1830
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 2: this Bills roster. What you just outlined, that's why I

1831
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 2: think you will be a fierce battle that you have

1832
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 2: the the veterans that maybe have lost a step or two,

1833
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:56,640
Speaker 2: the Dean Jones, the Nicholas Morrows, the guys that they

1834
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 2: brought in.

1835
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,559
Speaker 3: I mean with Nicholas Morrow, it was at the start

1836
01:24:59,560 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 3: of freed.

1837
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:04,440
Speaker 2: See how do they play in camp and in the preseason,

1838
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 2: knowing where to go, knowing where to be compared to

1839
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:09,200
Speaker 2: a Baile Inspector or a Dorian Williams that are just

1840
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:10,800
Speaker 2: faster but might not be their mentor.

1841
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 1: And there's stuff that we'll never know. I mean, when

1842
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 1: they get back into training camp in twenty twenty four,

1843
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 1: Baile Inspector and Dorian Williams are going to be different

1844
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:20,320
Speaker 1: guys than they were in the twenty twenty absolute training camp.

1845
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:24,639
Speaker 1: Absolutely how much different? Uh, that's a big question. And

1846
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:26,800
Speaker 1: that's something that we'll never know because we don't know

1847
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 1: where they were last year. We just know we didn't

1848
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:33,719
Speaker 1: see him play. That's that's gonna be interesting. From Jack

1849
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 1: on the in the mail bag, he says he's curious

1850
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 1: about two players new to the Bills. First of all,

1851
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 1: what do we have in Mike Edwards? I know he's

1852
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 1: from Kansas City In safety? They had a good defense

1853
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 1: last year, but how does he fit us free safety

1854
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 1: or strong sect safety? Second? kJ Hammler if a forgotten

1855
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 1: man at wide receiver. An injury has held him back,

1856
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 1: but he's fast and shifty, can heat factor in. You're right,

1857
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 1: kJ Hamler was a guy that you were And when

1858
01:25:57,720 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 1: you do this a long time, you get these names like,

1859
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 1: oh my kJ Hamley, you go back and looks like, Wow,

1860
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 1: we were really high on him. I love that guy.

1861
01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 1: Coming on, I thought he'd be. But he's one of

1862
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 1: those small, fast guys. We've seen those Isaiah McKenzie's, the

1863
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 1: Deontay Hardy's of the world. The Bills always seem to

1864
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 1: have a place for one of those guys, and they're

1865
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 1: looking for somebody who can like maybe stay claim and

1866
01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 1: stay kJ Hamler, You're right. I think he's a very

1867
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 1: talented guy, but he seems a little fragile.

1868
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 2: Oh he's been injured a ton, and that goes back

1869
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 2: to him coming out of Penn State of just a

1870
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 2: few years ago. He's still not even twenty five. He's

1871
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 2: twenty four years old, turns twenty five early July. Came

1872
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 2: out as a red shirt sophomore out of Penn State

1873
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,679
Speaker 2: and wasn't even able to work out before that draft

1874
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:44,880
Speaker 2: because he was dealing with an injury coming out of college.

1875
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 2: Then in Denver, he was a second round pick, So

1876
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 2: despite that, the Broncos still picked him in the second

1877
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 2: round because of just the big playability, kind of the

1878
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 2: loose hips, the fluidity that he had after the catch,

1879
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 2: along with just straight line speed.

1880
01:26:57,320 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 3: So that's what you get with him.

1881
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 2: You're mentioning, though, I mean he's not been able to

1882
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 2: stay on the field, and that is a skill to

1883
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 2: be out there, to be available, That is something that's

1884
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 2: really important.

1885
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 1: Whether it's a skill or a gift, don't know. But yeah.

1886
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 1: And the other one the Jack asked about was Mike

1887
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 1: Edwards free safety, strong safety, don't care. Which here's the thing,

1888
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 1: because both those guys, you want those guys to be interchangeable,

1889
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:22,720
Speaker 1: like Hide and Poyer. I mean you want one.

1890
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 3: They're so interchangeable in this deal.

1891
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 1: You want them to be able to rotate back and

1892
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 1: cover the deep ball, or rotate up to the box

1893
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:31,639
Speaker 1: and take on a guard or missing make a guard,

1894
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 1: missing make the tackle. They both have to do the

1895
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 1: exact same thing, and they're they're ill. They're labeled different,

1896
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:39,680
Speaker 1: but they're the exact same thing, and they're just they

1897
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:40,720
Speaker 1: should be interchangeable.

1898
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 8: Yes.

1899
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 1: So, But Mike Edwards, a six year veteran, has been

1900
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 1: on some really good defenses, and I think he brings

1901
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:53,799
Speaker 1: an added level of credibility to that position group.

1902
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 2: Two Super Bowl wins with Tampa Bay. Twenty twenty. Is

1903
01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 2: his second year in the NFL.

1904
01:27:58,600 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 3: Wins one.

1905
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 2: Last year with the Chiefs, he's mostly played free safety.

1906
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 2: He's kind of a unique type in that he five ten,

1907
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 2: two hundred pounds, so he's kind of built like the

1908
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 2: traditional strong safety. He's kind of like to me in

1909
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:13,840
Speaker 2: watching him at Kentucky when he was coming out of

1910
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 2: the draft in twenty nineteen and then just what he's

1911
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:18,839
Speaker 2: done in the NFL. He's kind of like in between

1912
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 2: Taron Johnson Jordan Poyer and that he likes to get downhill.

1913
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 2: He's not afraid even though he's a little shorter and

1914
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 2: stockier to be that guy that's gonna help in run support.

1915
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:30,719
Speaker 2: But he's coming from the deep middle. So he's mostly

1916
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 2: been a free safety. Not spectacular, but I think the

1917
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 2: Bill signed him because of all that big game experience and.

1918
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 1: Has five and so he's it's gonna be interesting to watch.

1919
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 1: You can bet he They're gonna plug and play him.

1920
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 1: I think toilities Steve Tasterer Christophossa, we're gonna take a

1921
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 1: break and come right back and wrap things up here

1922
01:28:47,400 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 1: in One Bill's Live. We'll be right back. Welcome back

1923
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:09,760
Speaker 1: to One Bill's Live. Just before we break here and

1924
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 1: get turn you loose for the weekend. One last from

1925
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:15,240
Speaker 1: the tweets sheets, so that with the talk of the

1926
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:18,120
Speaker 1: This is from Andrew on our mailbag. So with the

1927
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:20,200
Speaker 1: talk of increasing to an eighteen game schedule, I know

1928
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 1: the players Union would want compensation for increased games, but

1929
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:25,680
Speaker 1: what about the nfl RA, which is the Referees Association.

1930
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:28,160
Speaker 1: Would they get compensation as well? They get paid by

1931
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 1: the game. They want more work, yeah, and I think

1932
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:31,639
Speaker 1: the more work for them the better.

1933
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 3: They should be full time any.

1934
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:34,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they should be for full time anyway.

1935
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:36,639
Speaker 1: Christraph Passo, thanks for coming in and spending some time

1936
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 1: with us this week. Gonna be a great weekend out there. Everybody,

1937
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 1: go out and enjoy it, have a great time. We

1938
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:46,519
Speaker 1: will be back here at one o'clock on Monday. This

1939
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 1: is One Bill's Live, presented by Collida Hell. Thanks for listening.

1940
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:49,760
Speaker 1: We'll see you