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Speaker 1: There are No Girls on the Internet. As a production

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio and Unbossed Creative. I'm Bridget Todd,

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Speaker 1: and this is there are no girls on the Internet.

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Speaker 1: There's no real way to sugarcoat at y'all. Things are bad.

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Speaker 1: So last night Political published elite draft opinion from a

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court Justice Alito that pretty much lays out the

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Speaker 1: groundwork for the Supreme Court overturning Roe versus Wade, the

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Speaker 1: landmark Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion in the United States.

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Speaker 1: And what's really gross and fucked up to me is

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Speaker 1: that Elito based it on a thoroughly debunked anti choice

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Speaker 1: extremist talking point about abortions being a tool to control

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Speaker 1: black populations. And he also went out of his way

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Speaker 1: to set the stage for this opinion to service the

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Speaker 1: basis for undermining other rights in the future, like marriage

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Speaker 1: equality and interracial marriages, at a time when the rights

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Speaker 1: of people of color are queer folks and trans folks

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Speaker 1: are already very much under attack. Now, this opinion is

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Speaker 1: completely outrageous, but it is still just a draft until

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Speaker 1: the final Supreme Court decisions come out in June, so

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Speaker 1: that means for now abortion is still legal, and I

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Speaker 1: know things are awful. I'm angry, I'm scared, I'm exhausted,

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Speaker 1: and I am willing to bet that you are too.

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Speaker 1: But it is not all bad. The good news is

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Speaker 1: that this leaked opinion gives us time to mobilize donate

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Speaker 1: money to abortion networks by going to Abortion Funds dot

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Speaker 1: org or Tango dot com slash donate. People all over

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Speaker 1: the country depend on abortion funds and their difficult work

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Speaker 1: is about to get even harder, so you can really

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Speaker 1: make a difference by supporting their critical life saving work.

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Speaker 1: And the second piece of good news is that in December,

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Speaker 1: the f d A permanently eased rules on abortion pills,

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Speaker 1: making it easier to access pills online through telemedicine, which

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Speaker 1: will become even more important if and when ROW is overturned.

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Speaker 1: Abortion pills are safe and effective. That's why, though tempting

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Speaker 1: using scary images of coat hangers to talk about Row

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Speaker 1: being overturned isn't really accurate or all that helpful, you

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Speaker 1: can visit plan c pills dot org for help finding

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Speaker 1: abortion pills in all fifty states. Access to abortion pills

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Speaker 1: is an issue that has huge tech implications because even

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Speaker 1: though abortion pills are safe. The real fight in states

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Speaker 1: that criminalized self managed abortion is now about online surveillance,

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Speaker 1: both surveillance of people who need abortions and people who

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Speaker 1: help others get abortions. Things like online search histories and

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Speaker 1: chats have been used to create digital paper trails to

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Speaker 1: criminalize accessing abortion pills online. I enjoined my friends Sam

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Speaker 1: and Annie at the podcast stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: to discuss the tech implications of accessing abortion pills via

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Speaker 1: telemedicine and why it's a win for abortion rights at

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Speaker 1: a time when frankly, I think we could all really

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Speaker 1: use one. Everybody is is to have autonomy over their

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Speaker 1: own body, access to healthcare, access to abortion care if

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Speaker 1: they need it. Even the conversation I feel is we

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Speaker 1: shouldn't even have to be fighting for stuff like this.

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Speaker 1: But you know, in the fight for abortion rights that

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Speaker 1: can be very negative, very taking many, many many steps back,

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Speaker 1: and so I do think it's important to, you know,

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Speaker 1: highlight when we have something that is not all happening,

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Speaker 1: and this is actually something I think I've seen it

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Speaker 1: in the headlines, and I know you and I talked

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Speaker 1: about it bridget a while back, several years ago, and

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Speaker 1: I not, I didn't really know much about the abortion pill,

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Speaker 1: so can you can you tell us what it is

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Speaker 1: and how it works? Absolutely so. According to Planned Parenthood,

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Speaker 1: the so called abortion pill is a popular name for

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Speaker 1: two different medicines used to end a pregnancy, miffor pretty

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Speaker 1: zone and another one, myso pro satol. So pregnancy needs

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Speaker 1: the hormone called pro estrogen to grow normally, and miffor

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Speaker 1: basically it's just a combination of pills that you take

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Speaker 1: to induce an abortion. Yes, And I know, like you know,

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Speaker 1: this conversation isn't only limited to the US, was it Ireland?

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Speaker 1: Had it somewhere? Had a similar kind of conversation with

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Speaker 1: the United States and so this is definitely a global

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Speaker 1: care they need. Yeah, and one of the things that

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Speaker 1: that was for a lot of people for this um, So,

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Speaker 1: can you share the history of this kind of abortion

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Speaker 1: care via telemedicine in the US? Totally? So tell a

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Speaker 1: via telemedicine has been available in the US since around

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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, when the first formal program began

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Speaker 1: an eyewab, a patient and one clinic can confer via

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Speaker 1: they would get their pills to induce an abortion. And

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Speaker 1: that video conferencing element that satisfied a federal requirement that

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Speaker 1: was a real instance where technology bridged that gap that

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Speaker 1: using quotes around that this medication, and so there are

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Speaker 1: so many reasons why that would be a huge deal

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Speaker 1: always get to a clinic. Maybe there's not one close.

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Speaker 1: and so huge, huge deal. Unfortunately, opponents responded pretty quickly,

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Speaker 1: prohibiting abortion via telemedicine in twenty state. In the US,

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Speaker 1: the FDA regulates medication abortion under a set of rules

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Speaker 1: called sixteen years of Overregulation Time to Unburden myth Reprics

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Speaker 1: Medicine UM we're leading clinicians and public health experts argued

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Speaker 1: There are simply no medical justifications for these restrictions, and

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Speaker 1: of what you talk about, Bridget has to do with, yes,

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Speaker 1: the Internet and misinformation and disinformation. And I know we've

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Speaker 1: can just imagine for people trying to get access to

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Speaker 1: then on top of that people have been arrested. Correct, Oh, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: of the women were prosecuted for buying abortion pills specifically,

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Speaker 1: A famous case in twenty fifteen, Indiana woman named Pervy

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Speaker 1: time for abortion access for anybody who cares about abortion access,

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Speaker 1: and that should really be everybody, everybody, regardless of gender,

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Speaker 1: someone would choose to you know, access the care they

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Speaker 1: need through telemedicine, and it's there's not really a lot

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Speaker 1: that this change is obviously, like very long overdue, especially

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Speaker 1: when you consider that out of the twenty different prescription

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Speaker 1: the only one. The only one the f d A

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Speaker 1: previously required to be dispensed in person but permitted patience

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Speaker 1: of all of these medications, this like, why is this

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Speaker 1: This is one of the only medications that are given

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Speaker 1: to people with uteruses and those who need reprojective health.

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Speaker 1: Like essentially, this is why we know these answers. And

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Speaker 1: I find that fascinating because as we're looking for the future,

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Speaker 1: Anny and I both like as a tendant in celebrating

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Speaker 1: because we are in Georgia run by current Governor Brian

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Speaker 1: kimp who has absolutely put into place every restriction that

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Speaker 1: you can think of when it comes to accessing any

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Speaker 1: kind of health care in general. And I say that

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Speaker 1: connections with federal assistance when it comes to coverage in

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Speaker 1: the state at this point in time. And I think

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Speaker 1: one of the things that we are talking about and

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Speaker 1: trying to be very loud about is that these groups

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Speaker 1: are not focusing on the women. Obviously, it is a

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Speaker 1: literal fight about what is moral in their eyes, and

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Speaker 1: for a Bible belt area of such as Georgia, it

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Speaker 1: is a constant battle trying to see how to combat Uh,

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Speaker 1: these really generalized slash false narratives of harming women as

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Speaker 1: they're truly trying to save women. What is actually they're

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Speaker 1: trying to prevent women to get good access and good

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Speaker 1: health care at all. So it's kind of one of

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Speaker 1: those moments of like how and I guess honestly, the

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Speaker 1: pandemic has shown a lot of light about the fact

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Speaker 1: that when it comes to morality and conspiracies, they don't

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Speaker 1: care if it's from science, they don't care. That's about

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Speaker 1: the truth as we have learned, um, and I find

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Speaker 1: it interesting that as we are trying to focus on this, what,

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Speaker 1: what are some ways that we can maybe uh advocate

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Speaker 1: for ourselves, for people like Annie and I who are

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Speaker 1: stuck in Georgia right now, for more access to these things.

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Speaker 1: Oh what a good question. I mean, first of all,

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Speaker 1: I just have to honor what you just said, because

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Speaker 1: we are at a time where it is scary and

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Speaker 1: the threat is real. Anybody who told you like, oh,

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Speaker 1: they're not going to overturn row, like you'll be fine,

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Speaker 1: like we're not going to go backward, they were incorrect.

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Speaker 1: They were telling you something that wasn't true. And I

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Speaker 1: I I'm sorry to have to say that, but here's

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Speaker 1: here's the reality of where we are, and it's it's

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Speaker 1: very real, and it's very scary, and I completely understand

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Speaker 1: the urge to be like, well, this is happening. It's inevitable.

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Speaker 1: Our rights are going to be rolled back. Women are

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Speaker 1: going to die, people are going to die. This is

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Speaker 1: going to be bad. Anybody who's feeling that that exhaustion

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Speaker 1: and malaise, I'm with you. I get it. All I

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Speaker 1: can say is that now is not the time to retreat.

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Speaker 1: Now is the time to dig in. And so I

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Speaker 1: have to really lift up and amplify all the amazing

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Speaker 1: people who are doing the work on the ground of

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Speaker 1: protecting abortion access. I want to shout out a few

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Speaker 1: people right now, my colleague and Ultra Violet Sonya Spoo,

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Speaker 1: who is incredible, um, my friend Renee, who is doing

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Speaker 1: a lot of work around abortion storytelling and just like

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Speaker 1: helping people understand how many different people are impacted by

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Speaker 1: abortion care and need abortions, and like someone that you

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Speaker 1: love has had an abortion. And then if you're looking

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Speaker 1: like what can I do? Absolutely, now is the time

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Speaker 1: to be supporting abortion funds around the country. If you've

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Speaker 1: got a local Abortion fund and you or in your

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Speaker 1: community throw them some money. If you've got some extra money,

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Speaker 1: you can go to Abortion Funds dot org and find out.

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Speaker 1: You know, people are doing a lot of organizing of

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Speaker 1: making sure that people can still get the access to

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Speaker 1: care that they need, So definitely support those folks. Also

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Speaker 1: urge your lawmaker to support the Women's Health Protection Act.

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Speaker 1: You can go to we Are Ultra Violet dot org

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Speaker 1: and find our petition demanding the Women's Health Protection Act

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Speaker 1: be past because we need. Now is the time that

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Speaker 1: we need to be fighting with all that we've got.

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Speaker 1: I know it is scary, I know it is hard.

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Speaker 1: I know we've all been through a lot, but now

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Speaker 1: is the time to really dig in. And I think, like, like,

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Speaker 1: one of the things that really gives me hope in

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Speaker 1: this fight are things like abortion care networks, are things

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Speaker 1: like this, individuals doing what they can, and so I

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Speaker 1: know that we got us are. The government might always

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Speaker 1: not always have our back, our lefted officials might not

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Speaker 1: always have our back, but we have our own backs,

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Speaker 1: and so despight is hard and long, but I know

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Speaker 1: I know that we got we got each other, and

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Speaker 1: so that's the one thing that really gives me hope,

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Speaker 1: so Will said, I think I needed it because yes,

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Speaker 1: I've been very stress. I know we all are very

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Speaker 1: concerned and worried. But that was a nice a nice

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Speaker 1: bow on this our last recording with you, Bridget in

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Speaker 1: one and some excellent advice as always hanging there, Yes,

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Speaker 1: hanging there. We can do this. We could do this

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Speaker 1: low key there. That's that's what I call you, Samantha

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Speaker 1: lokey Y. Yes, yes, well, thank you as always a

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Speaker 1: Bridget for joining us, um and bringing this topic. It

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Speaker 1: is always such a delight to have you have fun.

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Speaker 1: You're about to leave for your your weirdo Christmas. Correct,

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Speaker 1: that's right. In a matter of hours, I will be

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