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Speaker 1: Here we go, the official show on the fish Stripes

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Speaker 1: podcast channel. It's a familiar voice. See Les Susman here

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Speaker 1: and managing editor at fish Stripes. And I got a

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Speaker 1: co host this time, not a guest. We're really just

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Speaker 1: kind of going back and forth on this, me and

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Speaker 1: Lewis Addie O Weiss, he's our deputy editor here at

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Speaker 1: fitz Strip's fresh off covering a game at Lone Depot Park,

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Speaker 1: the final game of the Marlins Braves series. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: begin with that. We're gonna spend most of this episode

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Speaker 1: going into Starling Marte and hashtag pay Marte. That movement

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Speaker 1: has taken off a little bit the last couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks on social media as he's playing the best baseball

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Speaker 1: of his career. He's a pending free agent. People want

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Speaker 1: to know what his future looks like, whether that future

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Speaker 1: could be in Miami, and what that future would look

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Speaker 1: like on the payroll for the Marlins. And so we're

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Speaker 1: going to go through everything. You know, all the concert

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Speaker 1: once is potentially of locking up Marte. The consequences of

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Speaker 1: course of letting him go either via Trader be a

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Speaker 1: free agency. Lewis, we want to I guess We'll just

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Speaker 1: start off just generally, because usually I spend these pots

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Speaker 1: actually talking about the state of the whole team. So

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Speaker 1: we want to looking back at this weekend. We were

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Speaker 1: talking about it, you know, right before presslink recording that

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Speaker 1: a few things that stood out from this series against

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Speaker 1: the Braves. They took two out of three Marlins over

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Speaker 1: the Braves, but really, you know, the one surprise and

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Speaker 1: the one letdown. The main reason why they couldn't pull

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Speaker 1: off the sweep was Pablo Lopez. So from from being

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Speaker 1: at the park and from going through the numbers and

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Speaker 1: from hearing from him postgame, what kind of happened to

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Speaker 1: Pablo in this game on Sunday?

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Speaker 2: So I think it's a slew of factors.

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Speaker 3: I mean, with every loss, there's a myriad of things

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Speaker 3: that kind of go on that kind of lead to it.

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Speaker 3: But it hopefully Onpire. Mark Wagner certainly didn't help Lopez.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you were following on Baseball Savon

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Speaker 3: and I put up a tweet about it at one point,

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Speaker 3: but there was I think it was a one two

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Speaker 3: pitch to him. Al Monte, you know, a guy that's

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Speaker 3: kind of been around, you know, fourth outfielder type in

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Speaker 3: the major leagues. And I mean, you know, Lopez is

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Speaker 3: this stuff. I don't think necessarily was a problem from

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Speaker 3: as far as just like pure like velocity goes. Like

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Speaker 3: the fastball was all right, the spin rate was in

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Speaker 3: line with where he was throughout the season. But he

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Speaker 3: threw it too too. He threw a one two fastball

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Speaker 3: ninety five outside part of the plate called a ball.

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Speaker 3: And you know, like you clearly if you look at

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Speaker 3: the k zone on whether you're watching it.

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Speaker 2: On MLB at bat or you're you know.

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Speaker 3: Watching it with the kazone on TV, or if you're

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Speaker 3: like on Baseball Savanna, you know, it's clearly a shrike.

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Speaker 2: You know, Lopez wound up walking him and obviously didn't help.

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Speaker 3: Prior that, he gave up pitts to Freeman and Akunya

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Speaker 3: and yeah, and then he he hit a batter, he

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Speaker 2: Who Austin Riley was, you know, he was phenomenal. Tod

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Speaker 2: I think he went three four today.

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Speaker 3: You know, obviously hit the home run off of Lopez,

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Speaker 3: and I you know, it mostly just came down a location.

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Speaker 3: It was the biggest thing. I mean, he wasn't hitting

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Speaker 3: his spots, you know the stuff, and again was good.

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Speaker 3: You know, he was topping out at ninety six, which

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Speaker 3: we need normally see him as like, you know, load

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Speaker 3: he'll hit ninety five. But you know, he was ninety

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Speaker 3: Like I think believe he threw thirty four, thirty five,

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Speaker 3: thirty six pitches in the first inning.

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Speaker 1: I think even more than that. Yeah, he threw.

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Speaker 2: Eighty four and three innings.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're not really going to pitch many innings

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Speaker 2: But it was mostly that, I mean, the strikes on

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Speaker 3: And I was actually talking to Jessica Blaylock post game,

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Speaker 2: Ballet Sports, and she she came over because.

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Speaker 3: She heard my question in the zoom, and she looked

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean, he's not Leon. I mean just

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Speaker 3: I don't think Alfaro necessarily has that relationship. He's definitely

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Speaker 2: Maybe a little controversial, but I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I always kind of have some trepidation when I don't

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Speaker 3: somebody like Alfaro who's had his Gary Sanchez esque light

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Speaker 3: what do you think when you watched it today, what

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Speaker 3: Pablo after a terrific are against Colorado.

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Speaker 1: Well, absolutely, that one pitch you brought up to al

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Speaker 1: and that play appearance still, I mean, as soon as

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Speaker 1: combination of things for sure. Without Faro. I mean it's

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Speaker 1: a valid point. Actually with Pavlo in particular last year,

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Speaker 1: with Chad Wallach and how that relationship was. That was

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Speaker 1: that whole storyline that went all the way through the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: It's how everybody loves working with Chad. And then but

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Speaker 1: is that. I mean Alfara was just hitting so well

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Speaker 1: he's like opsing around nine hundred since he came back

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Speaker 1: I mean, when you know his ops is like doubled

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Speaker 1: It got off to that bad start when you couple

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Speaker 1: Now that he's been back and now I'm playing at

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Speaker 2: And let's just clarify something too.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you could be a lot worse off than

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Speaker 3: you can than having out Poreo far on your team,

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Speaker 3: even been a running joke on social media that he's

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Speaker 3: kind of like our new version of stand because he

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Speaker 3: one that just tails away from him from right handed pitchers.

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Speaker 3: That just he's a big fan of that. He doesn't

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Speaker 3: you know, he doesn't walk, but he hits for a

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Speaker 3: lot of power. Look at the peripherals. He's like ninety

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Speaker 3: has gotten slightly better, but you know it's it's he hasn't.

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Speaker 3: And he's also gone from two organizations in Texas and Philadelphia,

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Speaker 3: where if he were playing his primary games in those

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Speaker 2: To believe that his offensive numbers would be a lot better.

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Speaker 3: I do think that Marlin Spark does tend to suppress

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Speaker 3: a lot of offensive numbers. I mean there's a bevy

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Speaker 3: of examples. You can look at Casey McGee in twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 3: or you know, just the slew of guys that kind

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and even this season with has Z Aguilar twelve

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Speaker 1: that would that's been a really unusual case.

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Speaker 3: Last Sunday after the game, he even one of the

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Speaker 3: leaderboard a little bit. I mean, because I mean he

433
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Speaker 3: made to outfield assists in two days. The play he made,

434
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Speaker 3: I believe it was in the fifth inning when Curtis

435
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Speaker 3: was pitching after he had allowed a run to prevent

436
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Speaker 3: another run from scoring, which really, in hindsight, because we

437
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,640
Speaker 3: lost by two, that he could have made this loss

438
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Speaker 3: a lot worse on us. He made two catches in

439
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 3: the eighth and the ninth innings respectively, that it seemed

440
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Speaker 3: for me, like, I don't even think Kevin Kiermyer could

441
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 3: have made some of those plays with the amount of

442
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Speaker 3: ground that he was able to cover. I mean they

443
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,880
Speaker 3: were Byron Buckston esque plays that he was making. It

444
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Speaker 3: Smith out to center, Marte back toward the wall, reaches up.

445
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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't he make the play?

446
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't he make another beautiful play out in center field?

447
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 1: He's done everything else.

448
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 3: That's kind of just me saying he looks a lot

449
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,919
Speaker 3: bigger than he actually is, but he just moves so

450
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 3: well for a guy who patrols the position he does.

451
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Speaker 2: And that's it.

452
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Speaker 3: And let us not forget that's a pretty big outfield

453
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Speaker 3: in Marlin's Park. It's not Colorado, but it's pretty spacious

454
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 3: out there. I mean, you can lose a lot of

455
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Speaker 3: balls in the left center gaps. And I don't know,

456
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 3: he just I mean, he definitely has to cover a

457
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Speaker 3: lot more ground because as we saw today with Dickerson,

458
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Speaker 3: and we've seen a lot this season, he's just very

459
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Speaker 3: limited out there at this.

460
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Speaker 2: Point in his career.

461
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Speaker 3: But I don't know, Marte has just been like, I mean,

462
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 3: there's bright spots and then the dude is like shining

463
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 3: like a constellation. He's been like yeah, I mean like

464
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,919
Speaker 3: he you know, putting the ball in play, Like his

465
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 3: approach is solid. He's always up the middle. So he's

466
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,879
Speaker 3: never really trying to pull anything and he I don't know,

467
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,880
Speaker 3: it's just everything he does. He just shows up day

468
00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:59,679
Speaker 3: in and day out. He's not a loud guy, so

469
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Speaker 3: he I mean, you pretty much just like our DJ LeMay,

470
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 3: you just do your job and yeah, don't really say

471
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Speaker 3: too much and don't kind of just be a leader

472
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 3: an example for everybody else. And that's what he has been.

473
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Speaker 3: And I understand why people want to pay him. I mean,

474
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 3: he's you know, he's probably having the best season of

475
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Speaker 3: his career.

476
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we probably the I need to give credit to

477
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,919
Speaker 1: Ethan Badowski Fisstrips that he was the one back in

478
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Speaker 1: I don't know when it started. It's probably during spring

479
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Speaker 1: training that he was pushing the idea that they need

480
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Speaker 1: to extend Marte. They need to extend Marte. And I

481
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Speaker 1: really wasn't like all that hyped about it. I mean

482
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Speaker 1: I thought it was I was advocating for them to

483
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Speaker 1: pay anybody just because they have so much financial flexibility

484
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Speaker 1: moving forward, as as we'll get into that, they could

485
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Speaker 1: they could pay a lot of people and still have

486
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Speaker 1: the flexibility to build a complete team around that. I

487
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Speaker 1: wasn't like totally enamored with it, just based on what

488
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Speaker 1: we saw last year. We saw some good things, but

489
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Speaker 1: I mean last year he was getting on base less

490
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,439
Speaker 1: than thirty percent of the time after the trade, and

491
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Speaker 1: then there was of course the finger injury and the

492
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,160
Speaker 1: playoffs and his age to consider where he's thirty two now,

493
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 1: he'll be thirty three when the next contract hits in,

494
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: and those guys like historically don't stick in center field.

495
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 1: But really the biggest I mean obviously offensively is where

496
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 1: you need to start, because that's the biggest part of

497
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 1: the game where he's his His WRC plus is like

498
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 1: one seventy nine, seventy nine percent above league average. Same

499
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 1: thing as with his OBP that like, if he had

500
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,400
Speaker 1: enough time to qualify, enough playing time to qualify, he'd

501
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 1: be one of the best hitters in the league. It's

502
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: a small sample, though, and we know what's going to

503
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,239
Speaker 1: come down to earth a little bit. Uh, it's just

504
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: still like extraordinary. But the two things that really stick

505
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: out about his season has won the defense in center field.

506
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: I mean, today was like the like the shin. It

507
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: was probably the best individual game that we've seen from

508
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,719
Speaker 1: him defensively as a Marlin, which is saying a lot.

509
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 1: He's had some good plays, but I don't think he's

510
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: ever had like three of those plays all in the

511
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: same game that, as you said, he kept the game

512
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Speaker 1: close even though they never led in the game. The

513
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Speaker 1: fact that he was even that that kind of all

514
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: goes on what Starling Marte did individually, the fact that

515
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: his defense in centerfield is still so strong, because when

516
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: you're looking at that next contract, to me, it was

517
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: always seemed to be like a certainty that he's going

518
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: to shift to the corners. He did play, as you said,

519
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: with Pittsburgh, he was played a lot of left field,

520
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: and that's probably where he goes back to eventually. It's

521
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: just that when he's playing at such a high level

522
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: in centerfield now then I mean, it's just hard to

523
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: now see exactly when that falls off because of the

524
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 1: way he conditions his body and not just the conditioning

525
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: and like the physical fitness, it's just the routes that

526
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 1: he takes and the instincts that he has, like that

527
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: stuff can age pretty well. And I think at this

528
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: point you have to assume that moving into twenty twenty two,

529
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Speaker 1: at least for next year, that there's no reason to

530
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Speaker 1: doubt that he'll still be a center fielder and still

531
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Speaker 1: be a solid center fielder. And then the other thing

532
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: that I mentioned to you before this is his walk rate,

533
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Speaker 1: because that was the big gripe that I think a

534
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 1: lot of us have about this offense right now is

535
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: they don't take those walks. They don't even work deep

536
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: counts really all that often, and Marte is one of

537
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: the few guys that does do that. This year, he's

538
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 1: in the double digits in his walk rate in terms

539
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 1: of his total plate appearances. But looking through his entire career,

540
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 1: he'd never had a walk rate over six percent before.

541
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Speaker 1: So what do you make of that? That just the

542
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: walk grade itself, Like, is there any explanation for that?

543
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: Like why this is a guy that year after year

544
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: after year he's been a very aggressive hitter and he's

545
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: been a good player, but that's always been kind of

546
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: a shortcoming in his game, and all of a sudden

547
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,959
Speaker 1: that's changed. Is that something you feel is legit or

548
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: do you think we have to assume that comes back

549
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: down eventually?

550
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 3: I think we kind of have to assume with everything

551
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 3: that it's gonna you know, adjust for what he actually

552
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 3: is and if he listen if he's a I think

553
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 3: Miami will with the base running component in there because

554
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 3: he you know, he's so he's such a smart bass runner.

555
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 3: Trilieve he's only been caught once or twice this year

556
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 3: on the basis if he's walking five percent of the time,

557
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 3: which for his career that he is. I mean, he's

558
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 3: walking right now according to Fangrafts eleven point seven percent

559
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 3: of the time as of today's game, and he's striking out.

560
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 3: You know, the strikeout rate is up a little bit

561
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 3: from last year. But if you're walking, you know, double

562
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 3: more than what you usually do, if you're striking out

563
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 3: three percent more, I don't think it necessarily matters, but

564
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 3: we can always we can always kind of resort to

565
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,959
Speaker 3: the small sample sized spodder that we like to do

566
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 3: when we galg over players who have a good month

567
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 3: like it. I don't remember it was it like last

568
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 3: year and even a couple of years ago. Charlie Blackman

569
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 3: was sitting four hundred.

570
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, last year.

571
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 3: And then then there was at one point where he

572
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 3: did it through like May of it was like to

573
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Speaker 3: the beginning of May in two thousand and like maybe

574
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 3: in fifteen or sixteen, he was doing that too, so

575
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 3: and we saw what happened with Blackman last year. I mean,

576
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 3: he's a little above three hundred, but his numbers came

577
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 3: back down to earth. I don't think Mark Te is

578
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 3: gonna hit three point fifty for the season. Would I

579
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 3: be surprised? No, because they've kind always projected him as

580
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 3: a talent who at his height could possibly have a

581
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 3: season like that, And really, we always like to remember

582
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 3: players at their best. I don't think Starvine Martes is

583
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 3: gonna ever be remembered as a three fifty hitter. But

584
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 3: with the way that he's playing right now, I mean, yeah,

585
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 3: it's tremendous. The babbb is pretty high though he's got

586
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 3: a four h five babba Will that stay yet? If

587
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 3: he strikes out more and continues to put the ball

588
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 3: in play, then yeah, it may sustain itself. But I

589
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 3: don't think he's gonna walk as much as he does

590
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 3: all season, Although he may, who know, I mean, who knows.

591
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 3: He's never told us it in postgame interviews or anything.

592
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 3: He's never really given any direct quotes to get credence

593
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 3: to this. But he may be doing a lot more

594
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 3: to offset a lot of what we aren't doing. Collectively

595
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 3: as a team, because again, we don't have a lot

596
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: of guys who like to get on Jazz. I believe

597
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 3: as an OBP in the three forties, which again is

598
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 3: like for a middle infielder, you can't really complain, especially

599
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 3: when you consider that he's any prettison amount of power.

600
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 3: But again, like, I don't think martes that for the

601
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 3: entirety of a season because we've never seen it. So

602
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 3: what leads me to believe that he's going to do that.

603
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 3: He's never had an on base percent in hired three

604
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 3: sixty two, which he had in twenty sixteen. If Starling

605
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,239
Speaker 3: Marte does that for a whole season, like I and

606
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 3: I would have no problem resigning him because you know,

607
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 3: he's doing what he's doing in a ballpark in Miami

608
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 3: that just is not conduced with the hitters, especially you know,

609
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 3: guys like him.

610
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and for anybody that listening that might not be

611
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: aware of the total context for this conversation, it was

612
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: really Craig Miss kind of single handedly pushed this storyline,

613
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: first with media availability with Kim Ang and then speaking

614
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: with Starling himself personally earlier this week about the possibility

615
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: of an extension and the team's interest in extending him,

616
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,959
Speaker 1: and Kim Ang said there's been no talks, and Starling

617
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,959
Speaker 1: Marte said there's been no talks, but he'd liked there

618
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: to be some talks because of how comfortable he is

619
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Speaker 1: with the organization. I think the conclusion that I think

620
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: a lot of us have come to is that he

621
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 1: will play this out and go to free agent and

622
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: see because he's never been a free agent. This is

623
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: a guy that signed as a teenager in the Dominican

624
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: Republican has never been a free agent. And now, as

625
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: we'll get into very shortly, he's the best center fielder

626
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: in this upcoming class that because of that supply and demands,

627
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: and because of how well he's performing in this contract year,

628
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense for

629
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,959
Speaker 1: him to settle for anything less than his worth if

630
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: he thinks he can stay healthy the rest of the

631
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: way here. But it's still an interesting subplot that the

632
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: team hasn't been all that proactive in approaching him about

633
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: a deal, and so for the purposes of this conversation, well,

634
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: we're kind of assuming that he plays out the year

635
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: and going through whether the circumstances, whether the team does

636
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: trade him or whether they hold on to him throughout

637
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: the rest of the year, that that new contract would

638
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: be negotiated kind of at the start of the offseason,

639
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: and what that would look like. Some other things I

640
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: wanted to bring up about Marta is well, I mean,

641
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: we kind of got to how he's performing this year.

642
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: I think we could hop right into the comp that

643
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: you had in mind before we started recording. You referred

644
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Speaker 1: to somebody that you think could be like some sort

645
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: of template as to how we think Marte could age.

646
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: He's thirty two right now, so maybe aged thirty three

647
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: and beyond. Who comes to mind as a guy that

648
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Speaker 1: would set some sort of expectations for like how we'll

649
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Speaker 1: perform moving forward.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

651
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Speaker 3: So Baseball Reference has this really cool contextualization metric they use.

652
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 3: It's just called similarity scores, and it was something devised

653
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 3: by Bill James, where it's a zero to one thousand

654
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 3: scale where he literally looks at every conceivable number compiled

655
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 3: by a player throughout the course of their career and

656
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 3: compares them by age and then collectively through the course

657
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Speaker 3: of their career once they say they were retired.

658
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Speaker 2: So and so.

659
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Speaker 3: Anyway, so I looked at the Sims scores for Marte

660
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Speaker 3: through his age thirty two season, and the person that

661
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Speaker 3: I got as far as the person who's the most

662
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 3: comparable career to him was Shin su Chu. Now again,

663
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 3: shintsuit Chew is, like I prefaced to you earlier, I

664
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 3: think their skill sets are different. Chew is never like

665
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 3: shintsu Chu played one full season for the Games in

666
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 3: centerfield when he had that great year in Cincinnati when

667
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 3: he was a you know, he was a four to

668
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 3: twenty OBP guy, and funny enough, that was his free

669
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 3: agent year. So he was a free agent at the

670
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 3: end of the season. He signed seven years, one hundred

671
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 3: and thirty with the Rangers. And I'll be sure every

672
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Speaker 3: now and say that I don't think Marte is going

673
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Speaker 3: to get a contract in the ballpark of that.

674
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Speaker 2: I put up a poll on Twitter too.

675
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Speaker 3: It's like, if you're the Marlins and you're you want

676
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 3: to re sign him, which I'm sure most of us do,

677
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 3: considering where our offense is and the way that he's

678
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,239
Speaker 3: performing relative to that, how much do you give him?

679
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 3: Do you give him a cutchin kind of deal three

680
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 3: years fifty one million, say hey, like you're a free agent,

681
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 3: but you're also thirty three, and.

682
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 2: We want to pay you, but we kind of want

683
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: to be smart about it.

684
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 3: We don't want to break the bank on you, especially

685
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 3: because we know that we're not gonna say this to you,

686
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 3: that you're going to start declining in a couple of years,

687
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 3: and we want to at least have some securities for

688
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 3: when guys like Lada come up and maybe six zero

689
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 3: comes back healthy and we have to, you know, consider

690
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 3: the idea of extending him that you know year contract

691
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: is good enough to where we can work around some

692
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 3: of those limitations that we may have that other organizations don't.

693
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 3: And again, Chew was a you know, higobp guy, decent

694
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 3: power hitter. The defense depreciated over his career just never

695
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 3: really maintained itself. I mean by the end of his

696
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 3: career is at DH in Texas. But I looked at

697
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 3: Choose Ops plus from ages thirty two to thirty eight

698
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 3: and that was the last that was the years two

699
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 3: through seven of his contract with Texas, and he slashed

700
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 3: two sixty three, three sixty seven, four thirty nine. I

701
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 3: don't think mark Ka is gonna have and that a

702
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 3: lot of that too for Chew is mostly because he

703
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 3: played in the ballpark in Texas, the Hitters Park, so

704
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 3: slugging numbers were solid. But he also you know, threw

705
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 3: a little walks. He was a good base runner, as

706
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 3: Marte is. And so that triple slash line totals out

707
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 3: to a one to ten ops plus and that's eight

708
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: and a half wins of replacement. Granted, he lost a

709
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 3: lot award because of his defense. To defense again, like

710
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 3: I said, is never great. But if Marte could kind

711
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 3: of be, if Marte were to age that way, if Marte,

712
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 3: say we get Marte for four years, and for the

713
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 3: duration of a four year contract, he's a one o

714
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 3: eight to one ten ops plus guy, and we eventually

715
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 3: some you know, because say like the second or third

716
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 3: year of that contract, we're going to need a true

717
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 3: center fielder because it'll be thirty four to thirty five.

718
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 3: And how would a team that looks to compete look

719
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 3: if they have a thirty four year old playing center

720
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 3: field on an everyday basis. I think you and I

721
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 3: would know that that's probably not the smartest thing to do.

722
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: So we would probably have to move him to the left.

723
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 3: I mean, Dickerson's contract would be off the books by then,

724
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 3: and you know the Rangers did that with Chow. He

725
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 3: never played a game in the center field for them,

726
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 3: but he for the for the most part throughout his

727
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,479
Speaker 3: tenure in Texas, he was an average to slightly above

728
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 3: average player. And again, I don't think Mark is going

729
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: to have the benefit of getting a contract like that

730
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Speaker 3: because I think for an, offices have kind of become

731
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 3: cognizant of okay, like we're not gonna pay a guy

732
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 3: in his thirties that much money. But I think it's

733
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 3: a good comp because their skill sets were similar in

734
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 3: different ways, and I think that Marte may age that

735
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 3: way where he'll be at that level offensively as far

736
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 3: as how good he is compared to the average hitter.

737
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 3: But again, I want to know who your comp is.

738
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 3: I mean, that was the guy that came to mind,

739
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 3: because I you know, their prior numbers were so similar,

740
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 3: and what he projected to jut what what CHU did

741
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 3: and what mark A projects to do.

742
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: I don't think it's too far off. But who is

743
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: the guy that you had in mind?

744
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: I think I have you beat. I'm trying to stay humbled.

745
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: I think I've I went back a couple more years

746
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: and the cop I came up with was Tory Hunter.

747
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: Tory Hunter, he hit free agency around the same age

748
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: as Starling. He was like about one year younger. He

749
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: was coming off a pretty great year with the Twins.

750
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: He had twenty eight home runs, he stole eighteen bases.

751
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: It was a one to twenty three ops plus he

752
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: won a gold Glove in center field. So he was

753
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: someone that I guess the defensive reputation was on a

754
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: different level than Starling, right, he won like Tory Hunter

755
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: won gold gloves I think one, two, three, four, seven

756
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: straight years, you know, heading into free agency. That was

757
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: a different element for him. But you look offensively, offensively,

758
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: they are really really comparable because unlike you and become

759
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: more like Marte. Like Hunter was not a high walk guy.

760
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: He only had one, Like he maxed out at fifty

761
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,479
Speaker 1: walks in his one of his pre free agent years.

762
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: But he's mostly a guy that only walked, you know,

763
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: six percent of the time seven percent of the time

764
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: each year heading into the free agency. But he was

765
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: someone that got plenty of hits. You know, he was

766
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: always hitting in the two sixties to seventies to eighties.

767
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: He had that decent power. You know, he was usually

768
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: a twenty home run guy. He wasn't the same base

769
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: runner as Marte, but as I said, with the defense,

770
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: you know, that was kind of on another level, both

771
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: in terms of what he could quantify and anecdotally and

772
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: his reputation so that that works in his favor. But

773
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: they were around the same age, The consistency was great,

774
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 1: he had that good contract year. Still time to we'll

775
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: tell you know exactly where Starling stats wind up at

776
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: the end of the year, but I think he could

777
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: wind up in a very similar territory in terms of

778
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: one twenty three oh ps plus a guy that has

779
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 1: both the power and the speed and who has pretty

780
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: decent contact skills. I mean, Tory Hunter was striking out

781
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: one hundred times a year at in an era when

782
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: it was still you know, that was still a little

783
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: bit worse than league average, So that aspect is a

784
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: tiny bit different. But I think you just go through

785
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: the whole package, and these are kind of subtle differences

786
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: between them that you put the whole package together, and

787
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 1: he was a legit center fielder who had a well

788
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: rounded offensive game, who was pretty consistent year and year out,

789
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: who had maybe like one really severe injury. His whole career,

790
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: you know, prior to free agency. He ends up getting

791
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: five years and ninety million from the Angels. And I'm

792
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: in line with you that when you look at any

793
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: of those contracts, you need to consider that older players

794
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: right now, in this day and age, even compared to

795
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: back then, older players are kind of being doubted more

796
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: and teams are just not willing to assume that steady

797
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: production They always bacon that expected decline for someone in

798
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: their mid thirties. And with Marte, you know, but Marte

799
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: with Hunter, you know, even though this was like the

800
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: gold standard, literally the gold standard for centerfield defense, midway

801
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 1: through that Angel's contract he transitions into being a right fielder.

802
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: So with Marte, it's probably transitioning to be a left

803
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: Fielder's same thing that there's really nobody that's kind of

804
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: immune to this. You know. I looked at the numbers

805
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: of guys in their mid thirties over the last decade

806
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: or so that actually put up a qualified season as

807
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: an everyday center fielder, and it's really short. You know,

808
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: there's one fluky Coco Crisp season in there. There's but

809
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: besides that, there are guys that are basically just in

810
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: a timeshare between center field and one of the corners.

811
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: That's kind of the best case scenario once you get

812
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: to thirty four thirty five. So Hunter was the guy

813
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: that came to mind for me, and that was my

814
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 1: starting point for that, and that contract went pretty well

815
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: for the Angels. I mean, he continued being into his thirties.

816
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: You can look it up. It's he was kind of

817
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: the he was actually like slightly better offensively into his

818
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: thirties than he was for most of his twenties. He

819
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: was he started to get on base more, he started

820
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: to draw more walks, even though obviously the base running

821
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: slipped and the defense slipped. That was the Angels were

822
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: probably pretty thrilled with that, both the tangible stuff and

823
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: obviously the intangible stuff because Tory Hunter had that reputation

824
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: of being an extremely well liked teammate and all that.

825
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: So he was the one that I dug up just

826
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: from bouncing things around? Was that right? Is that kind

827
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: of It's a decent one.

828
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 2: Definitely have me beat. I mean, especially when you.

829
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 3: Look at Marte's current war I believe he's a thirty

830
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 3: five thirty six war player at this point in his career,

831
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 3: which again like if you retire tomorrow, I mean, like,

832
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 3: if you're a thirty war player, you know you're pretty

833
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 3: you know, you're in a pretty successful career and have

834
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 3: some degree of success to merit that much value. Tory

835
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 3: Hunter is a fifty war guy. And honestly, that's where

836
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 3: I always like if I when I watched Darling Marte

837
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 3: player was always the kind of guy who whenever I

838
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 3: watch a player, I mean, you know, I have the

839
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 3: Cubs game on in the back of right now, I'm

840
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 3: watching somebody and I'm like, you know, like I'm obsessed

841
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 3: with that statistic, even if it's so you know, polarizing.

842
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 3: I look at a player and I think to myself, like,

843
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 3: where are you going to retire as far as winds

844
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 3: of what replacement goes.

845
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: And I mean, I look at Ernado's already a forty

846
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: war guy.

847
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 3: I you know, I see him kind of eclipsing you know, seventy,

848
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 3: maybe eighty at some point if he's lucky. And Tory

849
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 3: Hunter and Darling Marte starland Mate was always the kind

850
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 3: of guy that I watched play and I'm like.

851
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 2: You know, he's got the potential to be a fifty

852
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 2: war like he's.

853
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 3: Going to be remembered as a really, really really good player,

854
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 3: and that's how Tory Hunters remembered. I mean, I remember

855
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 3: that Angels contract that was a terrific five year and

856
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 3: then nobody remembers when he went to Detroit those two years.

857
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: He wasn't even that bad either.

858
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 3: He was a one to fifteen ops plus in his

859
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 3: late thirties, hitting for power in a pitcher's park. I mean,

860
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 3: you know, like it's not my Trout, but he's you know,

861
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 3: he's above average offensively, and he had the best offensive

862
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 3: season of his career with Mike Trout, so in twenty

863
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 3: thirteen nine ops plus and through sixty five OBP.

864
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 2: I mean like Tory Hunt.

865
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tory Hunter is definitely where I think Marque's ceiling is.

866
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 3: But I might even like I'm not even privy to

867
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 3: say that, like he couldn't slightly exceed it just because

868
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 3: he's a better base runner. Hunter's defense is kind of

869
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 3: what's the separator there, And I think Hunter slightly hits

870
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 3: for a little bit more power or did, but no,

871
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, you definitely do have me beat. It's

872
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: funny when you said Tory Hunter, I kind of just thought,

873
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 3: like Charlie Marte is this weird alcam of shinsuit chew

874
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 3: and a lesser to war Hunter mixed together, and you

875
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 3: kind of like put those two in a pot and

876
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 3: you kind of just get Marte as this complete player

877
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 3: and in his own unique kind of way.

878
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: The other like much more recent comp that I'm sure

879
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: would come up in these negotiations because Hunter signed that God,

880
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be thirteen years difference between when that contract

881
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: was signed and when Marte would be signing his deal

882
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 1: this offseason. So a more recent comp would be Lorenzo

883
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: Kine five years, eighty million dollars to Milwaukee. He's had

884
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: some durability concerns, but when he's been healthy, he's been

885
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: pretty solid. But you know, the durability is obviously kind

886
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: of the most important part in terms of getting your

887
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: money's worth. Again, the ages lineup pretty well. Kine was

888
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: a year and a half younger than Marte will be

889
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: on the same track, but with Kane he had a

890
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: much shorter track record. You know, he was coming off

891
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: a very good contract year as well, which is kind

892
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: of the common thread between a lot of these guys.

893
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 1: A great contract year with the Royals. He just didn't

894
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: have like that many full seasons in his like track

895
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: record prior to that, only probably two or three. He

896
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 1: was someone that even back then had some durability issues.

897
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: He was kind of a late bloomer. He just had

898
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: playing time limitations that he just wasn't an everyday player

899
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: for all that long before testing free agency. But the

900
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: numbers are pretty comparable in terms of the contract that

901
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: he got compared to what Hunter got, and it showed

902
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: that that at least the Brewers were willing to pay

903
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: for him pretty deep into his thirties as a potential

904
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: center fielder at right now. Based on how the Brewers

905
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: built their team, it's clear that the final two years

906
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: of this deal they see Kane as more of a

907
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: corner guy. So that lines up pretty well. But with Marte,

908
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have a slightly stronger case because

909
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: of that much longer longevity that you could look at,

910
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: and also because just looking at like the batted ball

911
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 1: data that Kane was never a guy that really barreled

912
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 1: the ball. He had some good years in terms of

913
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: his batting average, some double digit home run seasons, But

914
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: with Marte, what he's showing this year that kind of

915
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: really gets my hopes up about him is that he's

916
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: barreling the ball at a very good rate. And that's

917
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 1: something that no matter what park you play, and that's

918
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: going to translate into quite a bit of home runs.

919
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: That's a skill that ages really great. You want to

920
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: look at someone like Nelson Cruz, who every years up

921
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: up top in terms of barrel rate. That's the one

922
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: thing that you could take with you pretty deep into

923
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: your career if you have it, if you like maintain

924
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: that bat speed or if you mean, if you're fit

925
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: enough to bring the bat through the zone deep into

926
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 1: your career. That's something that has that will age pretty well,

927
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 1: even if the base running doesn't, the defense doesn't. And

928
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: so Came's again, that contract that he got was five years,

929
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: eighty million, sixteen million dollars a year, and uh, we're

930
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: going to get into that pretty shortly in terms of

931
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: where I have him contract wise. But that's that's really

932
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: really the most recent template for him, because other than that,

933
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: really Sin Kane. I mean, one guy that also hit

934
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: free agency this pass offseason was George Springer. But that's

935
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: that skill set is completely different in that track record,

936
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: even though he was technically a center fielder, he was

937
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: someone that was they priced that almost all because of

938
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: his bat instead of like his all round play. So

939
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: for me, it was definitely Tory Hunter first and Lorenzo

940
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: Caine second, as like the names that come to minds

941
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: when trying to project what is going to happen, both

942
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: in terms of the dollars and in terms of the

943
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: performance for Starling.

944
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, you're probably a safer bet to give

945
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 3: Marte that year.

946
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 2: I mean, we also have to remember he did.

947
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 3: Have heals a lot injury, but he also had some

948
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 3: risk injury, hit a risk injury, and I was actually

949
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 3: in person for that game that he left with that

950
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 3: injury earlier in the season, and he missed a lot

951
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 3: of time. That's why he's only played thirty thirty one

952
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 3: games at this point of the season. So it's which

953
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 3: kind of makes his free agent case a little bit harder.

954
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 3: Although I will say this, I mean I was looking

955
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 3: at the free agent center fielders twenty two season earlier today,

956
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 3: and Marte is clear and away the best option when

957
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 3: you look at the center fielders that are going to

958
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 3: be available this winter. So he may have his pick

959
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 3: of the land as far as where he wants to go.

960
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 2: And what he may command just because there's gonna be a.

961
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 3: Slew of week options out there and unless the A's

962
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 3: are going to try to ramon Lariano, I don't know.

963
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 2: I mean, like, there's not really gonna be any.

964
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: Good off here right there, because that's the name I

965
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 1: had written down in terms of alternatives outside the organization

966
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: that if they if they don't bring back Marte and

967
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: they don't feel comfortable in any of these prospects taking

968
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: the next step and being a center fielder, you know,

969
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: they have some very exciting prospects as I spoke about

970
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: early in the show, Hay Sus Sanchez. But he is

971
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: strictly a corner guy. And we know where we stands

972
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: kind of with Lewis Brinston, and we probably know where

973
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: we stand with Monte Harrison too with the contact issues

974
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: that he's had at every level day's played at that

975
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: Loriano is the one who's productive, he's controllable, and he's

976
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: on a team that like just for uses to like

977
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: pay guys even more so than the Marlins do. Like

978
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: with the A's when you get that deepens arbitration and

979
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: if the A's don't like really put together a complete

980
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: contending team this year, they're a candidates really blow it up,

981
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: and he's someone that could be available. So that that's

982
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: a good name that you brought up, and that's one

983
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: that the Marlins do have, you know, that prospect ammunition

984
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: to trade for, Like they do have enough to get

985
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: that deal done if he is in fact available. I'm

986
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: assuming when you looked at like the free agent options,

987
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: you probably want to that MLB Trade Rumors page, is that, right?

988
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 3: I went to a sport track I that's a really

989
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 3: good website because it gives you a dollar breakdown on

990
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 3: what players currently make. But that's a really good kind

991
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 3: of like financial looking at the financial side of teams

992
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 3: and looking at to it'll pay roll and seeing you know,

993
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 3: like where teams kind of stand from a dollars and

994
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 3: cents standpoint.

995
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: But right, well, I bring it up because I think

996
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: wherever you were looking, where I was looking. The one

997
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: guy that they don't have listed as a center fielder

998
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: in most places is Chris Taylor, who is playing a

999
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: lot of centerfield this shy year with the Dodgers, and

1000
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: he's played a lot of it in the past couple

1001
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: of years. And he's good. He's really, really good. And

1002
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: he's younger than Marte by like a year and a half.

1003
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: I think, even though the Dodgers use him as that

1004
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: super utility guy, you know, play whatever position is open,

1005
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: it's a different skill set than Marte. But I'm curious,

1006
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: what do you think about, like Chris Taylor, which of

1007
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: those guys? I mean, if Marte keeps hitting at this level,

1008
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: we know that he takes his like earning potential to

1009
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: a whole another level. But your best guess who do

1010
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 1: you think has more earning power on the market heading

1011
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: into this offseason? Is it going to be Marte or

1012
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: Chris Taylor? Because Chris Taylor has pretty quietly had a

1013
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: great run with the Dodgers now last like five years.

1014
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, since twenty sixteen twenty seventeen.

1015
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 3: He's been dynamite for them after pretty much kind of

1016
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 3: floundering in Seattle.

1017
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,439
Speaker 2: But I don't know, I mean, like, yeah, Taylor can.

1018
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 3: Taylor played second base yesterday, He can play shortstop. And

1019
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 3: the thing is he's kind of like a John Birdie

1020
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 3: two point. But he's kind of slowly become like other

1021
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 3: than Tommy Edmund in Saint Louis, he's kind of like

1022
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 3: ben Zobris for this era where he can hit, like

1023
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 3: at one point, I believe Taylor had an OVP that

1024
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 3: exceeded three to eighty and since the start of twenty twenty,

1025
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 3: Chris Taylor's on base percent in just like three seventy eight,

1026
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 3: which is great. I mean, we were just talking about

1027
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 3: Marte and the Marlins kind of like lack of ability

1028
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 3: to work pickers counts and get on bass via the

1029
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 3: free pass. You know, he'd be definitely a valuable option

1030
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 3: for us because I think too, when you have utility guys,

1031
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 3: the way that Madden had Zobrist in Tampa and Chicago

1032
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,479
Speaker 3: is that he was able to give a guy a day, say, hey,

1033
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 3: like Kyle Schwarber, if you can't play left field today,

1034
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 3: then ben Zobris like you can go out there, or

1035
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 3: Addison Russell like, I can't have you playing second base today,

1036
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 3: So why don't you go out there and like just

1037
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 3: do that? And Taylor gives it off. And I mean

1038
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 3: we have that with Bertie and you know Taylor too.

1039
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 3: You know what Taylor has it Marty doesn't is he

1040
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 3: has the track record of extended postseason experience. I believe

1041
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 3: he won an NLCS com VP.

1042
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 2: One year with was it Justin Turner? Was Justin Turner?

1043
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 3: But he won it one year, so he's got, you know,

1044
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 3: the playoff experience that Mark doesn't necessarily have, although he

1045
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 3: you know, was with us last year in the Atlanta series,

1046
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 3: he had some time in Pittsburgh. Yeah, valuable for sure,

1047
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 3: But I don't know. I don't see the Dodgers kind

1048
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 3: of parting ways with him. I don't, But I also

1049
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 3: don't kind of see him getting a deal like what

1050
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 3: Martine may command. And it's weird when you consider that

1051
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 3: because wherever you seemingly put it, guy like Chris Taylor,

1052
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 3: he's averaged a slightly above average at almost all those positions,

1053
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 3: and that's valuable in it of itself, even if it

1054
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 3: doesn't equate dating home runs. It's just you know, with

1055
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 3: the daughter are also like a voodoo run organization who

1056
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 3: seemingly do things that other organizations can seem to do.

1057
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure, but I don't know.

1058
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 3: Like when I was thinking about money for Marte, and

1059
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 3: I want to hear what you have to say because

1060
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 3: I think you'll probably offer a better perspective than iowa

1061
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 3: right now, you know, I don't, you know, like Marcelo

1062
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 3: Zuna got a four year ado with Atlanta, and who

1063
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 3: knows what the hell is going to happen with that

1064
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 3: contract now with what recently transpired, But four year sixty

1065
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 3: four million actually doesn't seem too unrealistic. And for a

1066
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 3: guy like Marte, we have to also remember Pittsburgh early

1067
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 3: in his career gave him a pretty team friendly contract,

1068
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 3: so he made some money. Yeah, he didn't make the money, obviously,

1069
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 3: he lost that a little bit the way that a

1070
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 3: Kunyan Albi's did when they signed their team friendly extensions.

1071
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 3: But you know, like for a guy who we recently

1072
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 3: said and most agree is going to wind up in

1073
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 3: a corner in a couple of years, you know, why

1074
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 3: are you going to shell out ninety one hundred million

1075
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 3: for h in his thirties when we also don't have

1076
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 3: a fully established or around them?

1077
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: Right?

1078
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 3: It scared because I still think we need a short

1079
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 3: stop too, because Rojas a free agent.

1080
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 2: We have an option with him.

1081
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 3: But you know, I always think every big move that

1082
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 3: a team makes has to be influenced in some way,

1083
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 3: shape or form by all the other players around you

1084
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 3: and all the other transactions that may need to take

1085
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 3: place in order for that one big one that we

1086
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 3: want to have happen happen right now.

1087
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: That's that's a great line, because that was a question

1088
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 1: even coming into this year. I think some people were wondering,

1089
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: does the window of contention opened in twenty twenty one

1090
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: and like based on the off season. The answer was

1091
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: kind of a resounding no. Like, it wasn't an exciting offseason,

1092
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: but at least the message was pretty clear that they

1093
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: were not ready to make any sort of risky moves.

1094
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: They kind of kick the can down the road. They

1095
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: said they were going to use this year to like

1096
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: evaluate some more guys at the major league level, and

1097
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 1: we've seen a few of those so far, but actually

1098
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: not enough of those position players to my likeling in

1099
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: terms of how they've used this year and the playing

1100
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: time to do that. The question is whether they do

1101
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: really push not all their chips, but just put a

1102
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: lot of their chips or even some other chips onto

1103
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 1: into the table for twenty twenty two because they can't

1104
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: they're going to make that kind of investment, and it's

1105
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: really right around those numbers that you threw out. That's

1106
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: what I had in mind. If you make this one

1107
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: investment to bring back Marte, you still need a more

1108
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: of a supporting cast around him, some of those positions

1109
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: that you brought up, whether we'll see how the rest

1110
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: of jorgeal Farrow's your ghosts, and whether you're comfortable with

1111
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: him at catcher, whether you think there needs to be

1112
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: a big investment at that position as well with their bullpen,

1113
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 1: the fact that they still haven't you know, figured out

1114
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: the guy as high as I am on Anthony Bender,

1115
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: you know, there still needs to be a lot of

1116
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: reps from him to get an understanding if he's like

1117
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 1: a true premier closer or if that's that's another position

1118
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 1: that you need you want to address somehow that they're

1119
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: going to be several other moves and probably expensive moves

1120
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 1: that you need to make around Marte to actually lift

1121
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: the floor of this team to one that you can

1122
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: trust to be. If not like a surefire playoff team,

1123
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: then at least you know one that has a winning record.

1124
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: So with that in mind, I mean, assuming that they're

1125
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: serious about bringing back Marte and serious about doing some

1126
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: other things around him. There's kind of two like benchmarks

1127
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: that I came up with, one being a four year deal,

1128
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 1: one being a three year deal, and I actually think

1129
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: the preference, I would think with the organization is to

1130
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: go four years for him to make some sort of

1131
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: statement about continuity with the team, and also with the

1132
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: way that this contract could be structured. The longer the

1133
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: contract is, the more creative ways you could push the

1134
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: money around. And the figures I settled on were four

1135
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: years and sixty seven million dollars with him, I think

1136
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: realistically that his representation is going to have that Lorenzo

1137
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: Caine contract in mind because of how recent it was.

1138
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: They're going to want to beat that average annual value

1139
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 1: of sixteen million dollars. And I think that's kind of reasonable.

1140
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: When we talked about, you know, some of the things

1141
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,919
Speaker 1: that Martin Marte does offensively that even Kines didn't really

1142
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: show that he could do that, You think that that

1143
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: could age more gracefully than Caines did. So I'd be

1144
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: comfortable going this works out at sixteen point eight million

1145
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: dollars a year over those four years, and the way

1146
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: that this should structure it, in my opinion, the fact

1147
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: that almost the rest of their roster right now is

1148
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 1: guys that are still in their arm years or even

1149
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: in their pre arbitration years, that I would frontload that

1150
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: contract like twenty two million dollars in the first year

1151
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: and then brings down to like fifteen million the second year,

1152
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: the third year, and the fourth year. Put most I mean,

1153
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: it's not really bad outlandish, you know, just put a

1154
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: third of it in that first year to spread out

1155
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: the rest over those next three so that I mean, realistically,

1156
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: even though you want this to be a statement about

1157
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: bringing back a guy that everybody likes and that fits

1158
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: that fits your clubhouse, well, you want to keep open

1159
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: that possibility of potentially trading him during the back half

1160
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 1: of that deal. I think that's just realistic with how

1161
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: baseball works. In fact, you could really if you want

1162
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: to get really sneaky with it about ten and five

1163
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: rights that baseball players have, just to make sure our

1164
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 1: audience is clear about that, if you're in the majors

1165
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: for ten years, with your current team for five years,

1166
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: you have like an automatic no trade clause that they

1167
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: could move him before the start of that last year,

1168
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: and it's right before that ten and five rights kick in,

1169
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: so they would be able to move him anywhere entering

1170
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: that last year if for whatever number of reasons they

1171
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: feel that's the appropriate thing to do. That's my preferred structure.

1172
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: I could also see it being I think there is

1173
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: a certain three year deal that he'd be willing to

1174
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: take because of everything we outlined to just you know,

1175
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: the caution that teams have in terms of paying guys

1176
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: pretty deep into their thirties. That speaking with Ethan before this,

1177
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: he was someone that I mean, he pointed out that

1178
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: a lot of these veteran outfielders, even ones that are

1179
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: consistently great at hitting, like Michael Brantley, he took a

1180
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: two year deal in free agency, and there's a lot

1181
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: of these guys that in a similar age group that

1182
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: end up settling for only two or three years. That

1183
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: it's kind of rare for anybody to get beyond that.

1184
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 1: And if we assume that Marte is like a league

1185
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: average hitter the rest of the season, if he starts

1186
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: like and overall, you know, the numbers would still look

1187
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: pretty great and he'd be very attractive free agent. But

1188
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 1: I think there's definitely a scenario where the market only

1189
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 1: like draws out line that three years guaranteed, it makes

1190
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: him maybe be tied to incentives or like a team

1191
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: option for the fourth year. It's very possible that like

1192
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: the limit for his market is just that three years guaranteed,

1193
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,479
Speaker 1: So I think three years sixty million dollars is pretty fair.

1194
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: So you value that fourth year at like seven million

1195
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: dollars for his age thirty six season, and I think

1196
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: that's kind of a fair number, where like whether or

1197
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: not he feels he could beat that once the time comes,

1198
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: or I think more realistically, just the way the game

1199
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: is going that guys once they get like that deep

1200
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: into their age that they usually don't hit that number.

1201
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 1: So I think I think four sixty five, four and

1202
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: sixty seven is kind of generous, and I think three

1203
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: and sixty is pretty fair for all things considered. Again,

1204
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: you try to frontal that a little bit just considering

1205
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: the lack of other obligations going on right now. But

1206
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: it's more difficult, you know, to do creative things with

1207
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: that money. If it's a shorter contract. I think for

1208
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: everybody involved, it would be a big pr win to

1209
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: do that four year deal. This stuff also takes into

1210
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: account the qualifying offer that is still in effect for

1211
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: one final year that that would I think drag down

1212
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: his market just a little bit. And this is the

1213
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: same thing that was in effect for Lorenzo Kane. And

1214
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: that's why the comparison still works is because Kane hit

1215
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: the open market with that QO attached to him, that

1216
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: draft pick compensation. So again that's like another parallel between them.

1217
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: That's why I came up with that. I don't think

1218
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: it goes a whole lot past that unless he hits,

1219
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: Unless he puts up you know, in a thousand ops

1220
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: the entire season, you know, if he somehow keeps us up.

1221
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: I mean, every factor you look at says that realistically

1222
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: he's going to settle in as a great hitter instead

1223
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: of being a MVP hitter. And you do need a

1224
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: bac into account that he missed sometime with that injury,

1225
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: because that's the difference between him and Tory Hunter, between

1226
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: him and Lorenzo Caine, is that those guys were fully

1227
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: healthy in their contract years. And Marte, even though I

1228
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: mean there's really no way to sugarcoat it. I mean,

1229
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: he did miss thirty five games and he suffered that

1230
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: injury on the field taking a swing. That that combined

1231
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: with his history he does have some other nagging injuries

1232
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: in his past that that is something that works against

1233
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: him as well. So that's where I kind of max

1234
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: out at That's kind of where I draw the line

1235
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: at four years, sixty seven million dollars, and I think

1236
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: the Marlins, under the right circumstances, that's something that they

1237
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: could pull the trigger on. It's not asking too much,

1238
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: I don't think.

1239
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 3: No, not at all, especially when you consider our opening

1240
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 3: day payroll was below sixty million dollars.

1241
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 2: I believe it was right around fifty nine million.

1242
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 3: And like you said, we don't necessarily have a lot

1243
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 3: of long term commitments. I mean, ag Yard is not

1244
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 3: making a lot of money. Although I believe we still

1245
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 3: have him under contract for next year. It could be

1246
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 3: wrong about that.

1247
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: Yes, arbitration eligible, Yeah, there's two years.

1248
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 2: You get two years.

1249
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 3: Believe it's two years of arbitration before free agency if

1250
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken. But you know, yeah, there's not a

1251
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 3: lot of commitments there. The thing is too it's like

1252
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 3: I said, we need a shortstop.

1253
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 2: So like and I love Miguel Rojas.

1254
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 3: He's you know, obviously, you know, we call Marte the

1255
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 3: heart and soul of this team as far as performance

1256
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 3: is concerned.

1257
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 2: But I think Rojas is like the unofficial captain that

1258
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 2: we have.

1259
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 3: If we bring them back I'm not going to complain

1260
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 3: because the last two years he's been an above average

1261
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 3: offensive player and.

1262
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 2: You have more than a half of season to release

1263
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 2: say hey, like like there may be something.

1264
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 3: To this, but you know, signs like Sandel's side, I'm

1265
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 3: not gonna say no to Carlos Correa wanting to come

1266
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 3: out to Miami.

1267
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 2: I mean, can you imagine what that would do.

1268
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 3: I think by twenty twenty two, you know, we'll be

1269
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 3: three years beyond the news breaking about that scandal.

1270
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody will care.

1271
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 3: And I think I mean the way that Springer was

1272
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 3: welcomed in Toronto and the way that Hinch got hired

1273
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 3: by the Tigers. At the end of the day, if

1274
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 3: you have good people in baseball as far as just

1275
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 3: good baseball people as far as performance is concerned, regardless

1276
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 3: of some questionable ethical decisions that they've made in the past,

1277
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 3: I think you would. You know, I don't think any

1278
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 3: Marlins fan would be upset about seeing Carlos Correa playing

1279
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 3: shortstop in Miami. I mean, and then the factor and

1280
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 3: you may have a healthy six Dos Sanchez and Starling

1281
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 3: Marte at that point is still an option to resign

1282
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 3: because again we don't necessarily have any long term commitments,

1283
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 3: so he's just a beautiful, little complimentary piece at that

1284
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 3: point to what I think would help cement our offense

1285
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 3: is a little bit more legitimate, especially in a division

1286
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 3: that is full of turnover. You don't the Nationals are

1287
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 3: gonna because Strasburg continues to pitch with decreased velocity. Suresier

1288
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Speaker 3: exited yesterday's game with twelve pitch after throwing just twelve pitches.

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Speaker 3: You know, the Mets are good, but what do you

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Speaker 3: expect from them long term if they can't even score

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Speaker 3: runs when the best pitcher on earth is pitching for them.

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Speaker 3: You know, the Phillies still don't have a bullpen. The

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Speaker 3: Braves have a lot more questions than people think. So

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Speaker 3: you know, I think Marte, under the right circumstances, around

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Speaker 3: three years, four years at most makes perfect sense for

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Speaker 3: us going forward. But again, we're gonna have to do

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Speaker 3: that being cognizant of the fact that, hey, like in

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Speaker 3: one or two years, we're gonna need a true center fielder.

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Speaker 3: So Victor Mesa, like, you know, I hope you continue

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Speaker 3: to progress in the minor leagues. I don't have any

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Speaker 3: faith in Brinson obviously we've seen that this year and

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Speaker 3: in all years prior. Monte Harrison I think is another

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Speaker 3: case of you're just not pro you know, able to

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Speaker 3: hit it the bigger levels. So yeah, I mean, like

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Speaker 3: for like Marte, I think is a perfect player for

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Speaker 3: this team, so long as he's paired with enough pieces

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Speaker 3: like he was with McCutcheon when Pittsburgh was great and

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Speaker 3: they had Ray Sierridge and just being smart with the

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Speaker 3: way that they use Pitcher's there, so where that you know,

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Speaker 3: a four year deal for him would be would be

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Speaker 3: a tremendous asset that we would have. It'd be something

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Speaker 3: that most other teams can't like claim to having, you know.

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Speaker 2: As one as not even the main attraction.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the one wild card in the center

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Speaker 1: fielder discussion is jj A Blade, where I don't think

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Speaker 1: anybody really thought of him as a center fielder coming

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Speaker 1: out of college, but kind of buying necessity at double

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Speaker 1: A right now with Victor Victor Mesa out with an injury,

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Speaker 1: like Bladet has played quite a bit of center field

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Speaker 1: this year and he hasn't made any like egregious errors

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Speaker 1: to this point. If he's a passable centerfielder, with all

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Speaker 1: the expectations about how he's going to be such a

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Speaker 1: complete offensive player, then that would that'd be huge, And

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Speaker 1: they're gonna have a better idea of that by the

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Speaker 1: end of the year because he's going to get more

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Speaker 1: opportunities to bled their defensively, and I mean, hopefully the

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Speaker 1: overall numbers from him will look a lot better at

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Speaker 1: the end of the year than they do now, although

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Speaker 1: they are definitely trending in the right direction. So he's

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Speaker 1: kind of a huge swing factor in this if they

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Speaker 1: feel that he could actually potentially be passable center fielder.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, as I said at the top of

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Speaker 1: the show, one of the biggest surprises to me is

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Speaker 1: just how great Starling has looked defensively in center this year,

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Speaker 1: where I don't think it's any doubt that he's going

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Speaker 1: to be there next year. Again, history says that once

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Speaker 1: you get to like thirty five, there's really no shot

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Speaker 1: at you sticking there on an everyday basis, and that's

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Speaker 1: kind of how the team's going to have to plan

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Speaker 1: for it. But that's kind of the adjustments that I

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Speaker 1: made too. You know, in this offer again that four

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Speaker 1: years sixty seven or three years sixty something that I mean,

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Speaker 1: we'd hope that it was agreed to during the season,

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Speaker 1: but all indications are this is something that's going to

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Speaker 1: go to the end of the year, so we're going

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Speaker 1: to wrap it up there. I think we went like

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Speaker 1: a full hour us with the two of us with

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Speaker 1: Eli Susman and Lewis Addie o Weiss about the pay

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01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: Marte movement, hoping to see it really one of the

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Speaker 1: bigger stories that's going to play out as this year

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Speaker 1: goes on. The temptation to on the deadline, I mean,

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Speaker 1: no matter what, no matter how the team feels about him,

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Speaker 1: those calls are going to be coming in from contending teams.

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Speaker 1: He is one of the best players on the market,

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Speaker 1: and because he is a pending free agent, there's just

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Speaker 1: going to be so many offers for him if the

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Speaker 1: Marlins fall out of the race, and they kind of

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01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: are in a pretty perilous position right now in fourth

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01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 1: place in the division and really far removed from the

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Speaker 1: wild card race. So many questions that are going to

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Speaker 1: be answered as the year goes on. But we just

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Speaker 1: kind of wanted to delay the groundwork about this conversation.

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Speaker 1: So let us know what you think. Want to hear

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Speaker 1: your offers as well, and what you think the alternatives

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Speaker 1: are if, for whatever reason, they do choose to part

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Speaker 1: ways with Starling Marte. Thanks for listening to the Fish

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Speaker 1: Strips podcast. Fish Strip's live series preview coming up on

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