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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Emily, and you're listening to stuff Mom

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Speaker 1: never told you. Now, today we want to talk about

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Speaker 1: one of our favorite subjects that is the subject of

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Speaker 1: many an actual conversation that you and I have, but

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Speaker 1: from our you know, uniquely feminist bent on today's podcast,

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Speaker 1: and that is the rise of skincare. Skincare as self

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Speaker 1: care and potentially skincare as feminists latest salve in a

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Speaker 1: very toxic world. Ain't that right? Be? That is very right.

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Speaker 1: It's real out there in these streets. We are one

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Speaker 1: year into a Trump presidency, and it seems like every

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Speaker 1: day we live in fear of what is next, whether

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Speaker 1: it's a new god awful racist garbage tweet, or just

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Speaker 1: a little thing like nuclear war. It seems like every

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Speaker 1: day there is something new to give us wrinkles from

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Speaker 1: anxiety and stress exactly. And as a disclaimer, I may

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Speaker 1: or may not have done a mask a face mask

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Speaker 1: a near and dear subject to me, especially because when

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Speaker 1: I turned thirty, my skin has been revolting against me.

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Speaker 1: I've had the worst acne of my entire life, and

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Speaker 1: so I've this past year just started to get it

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Speaker 1: into facials and toners and all kinds of serums that

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Speaker 1: felt like this whole wide world unraveled beneath me. And

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Speaker 1: it turns out I'm far from alone. On that you

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Speaker 1: are not alone. I am also in that camp. I

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Speaker 1: was the kind of person for the longest time I

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Speaker 1: done same, And honestly this sounds a bit strange, but

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Speaker 1: I got very invested in routines and serum's, in masks,

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Speaker 1: in reading about them online, joining communities about them, shout

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Speaker 1: out to skin care addiction on Reddit. I got very

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Speaker 1: and really, my skins never looked better, So I can

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Speaker 1: nuage for that, folks. It's true, and it's funny because

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Speaker 1: there's definitely this trending phenomenon around skincare that really became

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Speaker 1: sort of a threshold year for it. I love this

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Speaker 1: piece by Gia Tolentino for The New Yorker, which, by

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Speaker 1: the way, this was like a sarcastic piece. Would you

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Speaker 1: It's sort of It's almost so real and dark and

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Speaker 1: because she gets so dark it feels satirical at times.

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Speaker 1: But here's here's what she basically, here's her angle. The

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Speaker 1: piece is called the Year that skin Hair Became a

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Speaker 1: coping mechanism, and her on point piece opens like this quote.

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Speaker 1: Over the summer, in one of my many small, ridiculous

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Speaker 1: attempts to affirm myself that I will outlive the Trump administration,

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Speaker 1: I decided to incorporate both retinal and sunscreen into my

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Speaker 1: daily skincare routine. Both are recommended to me last year

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Speaker 1: one's body. But when I went home and did some research,

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Speaker 1: years had passed since then. Skin seemed like a nice

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Speaker 1: It's so funny you say that, because Tolentino hits the

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Speaker 1: something perversely unexpectedly hopeful about skincare in today's political context. Traditionally,

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Speaker 1: skincare represents an attempt to deny the inevitability of the future.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, regardless, whatever the driving force behind it,

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Speaker 1: Korean beauty in particular has popularized skincare. It's been sported

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Speaker 1: classified by the federal government as a Schedule one drug.

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Speaker 1: Basically means that the companies who are both profiting from

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Speaker 1: Sure that is probably self care for some, But I

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Speaker 1: But listen, times are tough out there, it's bleak out there.

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Speaker 1: If taking care of your skin makes you feel good.

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Speaker 1: a glowing, sparkling face, then maybe it is selfair. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I think where I call both is just

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Speaker 1: up in a wildly antagonistic world. So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, for me, self care is saving my money

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Speaker 1: fair point where there's a lot of hypocrisy in my

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Speaker 1: over skincare or debating I feel like we're always debating

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Speaker 1: both your time and money is about your values. Make

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Speaker 1: sure that you're aligning how you spend your time, whether

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Speaker 1: on things that matter to you and not things that

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Speaker 1: are being told should matter to us. Right, That's real.

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Speaker 1: It's a hard balance to strike, though. It is hard,

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Speaker 1: and I'm so guilty of losing that nuance a little

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Speaker 1: that's how it works. How it works, no matter how cute.

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Speaker 1: Glossier's cloud paint is so good though, Like I'm a

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Speaker 1: complete Glossier convert. Convert. Somebody on Twitter had a great

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Speaker 1: tweet that was like Glossier's basically for girls who have

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Speaker 1: for that deweek glow. Yeah, it's yeah, they just came

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Speaker 1: to check it out. But you know what I like

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Speaker 1: about them a their use of totally relatable models, the

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Speaker 1: not pinterest perfection that they use on their ads. Like

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Speaker 1: they had a model with a zip using Glossier cloud

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Speaker 1: paint and I was like, damn, that's noticeable to me.

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Speaker 1: And then the other thing is there a ford ability.

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Speaker 1: This is not a glossy a ad, by the way,

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Speaker 1: but they aren't, you know, they aren't like jacking their

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Speaker 1: this is not a glossy ad, and they're when they're

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Speaker 1: not paying so we take the money. Yeah, I use

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Speaker 1: their milky jelly cleanser, and it works better than cleansers

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Speaker 1: on stuff like serums, it's like hundreds of dollars. Who

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Speaker 1: would spend that on a serum? Do you say sarah?

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Speaker 1: I say serum, staying it wrong? I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: I think it's just a slight accent that's coming through. Okay, listeners,

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Speaker 1: do you say sarum or serum? We want to know.

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Speaker 1: Tweet at us and really we want to hear how

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Speaker 1: you feel about all of this. Is skincare self care

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Speaker 1: or is it just another ploy to get your hard

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Speaker 1: earned dollars. Send us a tweet at Mom's Dove podcast,

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Speaker 1: get on us on Instagram. But don't send us your

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Speaker 1: perfect looking bathroom nighttime routines, okay, because I will just

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Speaker 1: buy all the products and it won't work on me

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Speaker 1: and I'll be sad. It will make you feel bad.

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Speaker 1: So fun is that Instagram at stuff Mom Never Told You,

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