WEBVTT - Selects: What Is Collective Hysteria? 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:03.680 M Hey everyone, it's Josh and I've chosen for this 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:06.880 week's s Y s K Select our two thousand fourteen 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:11.799 episode on the inappropriately named collective Hysteria. It turns out 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.240 that people can have a real effect on how other 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:17.599 people feel and behave. So take this as a sign 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:21.159 to be nice and maybe even soothing to others. And 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:24.120 while you're working on that, enjoy the super cool episode 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:54.320 on some super weird psychology. Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, 0:00:54.640 --> 0:01:03.080 a production of I Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:05.760 the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me as always as 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:09.800 Charles w Chuck Bryant, and Jerry's over there to the left, 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:12.920 and that makes the Stuff you Should Know got the 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:18.880 a team. Yeah, in the hissy, I call face what Oh, 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:22.080 I'm face of course your face look at you. I 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:26.240 would be a combination of Murdoch and Mr Tamnik. Yeah. 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:29.839 Oh your hair is kind of spiky in the middle today. Yeah, Jerry, 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:33.280 I don't know what she'd be. I guess she'd be 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:36.199 the leader. She'd be Hannibal. Oh, yeah, you know she's 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:38.520 smoking a cigar right now and wearing a black glove. 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:42.480 When did you start smoking cigars? Jerry, that's weird. Very timely, 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:46.280 I said, a team. I don't want to slag off 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:48.960 guest produce a knoll. He's not exactly be team. No, 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:53.240 we'll just call ourselves the O G S. Okay, now 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:55.440 that we have that established, we are the O G S. 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:58.680 We need bowling shirts that say as much on the 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:04.640 bad are you're feeling good? I'm feeling uh nauseous and dizzy? 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.640 Oh well, Chuck, did you happen to see somebody else 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:10.560 who is nauseous and dizzy? Well, Jerry was last week, 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:12.200 and then a few more people in the office, So 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:14.320 I just figured we all had the same thing. All right, 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:20.200 I'm gonna diagnose this, okay. It's called collective hysteria, also known, 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:25.359 I think more appropriately is mass psychogenic disorder. I think 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:27.600 when you add the word hysteria to this, it ticks 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:31.200 on certain dimensions that a lot of people could find 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:37.160 very objectionable, you know, hysterics, hysteria. It's like um dogs 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:40.480 and cats living together. Yeah, but I think it has 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:45.880 it has a definite um gender specific connotation to it 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:49.399 from over the years, like women were supposedly very hysterical. 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:54.720 So the the idea of diagnosing somebody as hysterical under 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.519 any circumstances. It's kind of it's had him out to 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:00.239 panning the patting him on the head. Yeah, here, nice lady, 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:02.520 you're you're just a little hysterical. Do you just go 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:06.239 calm down and bake something? Right? Yeah? Stop being crazy? 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:10.040 Uh no. Mass psychogenic disorder instead is just kind of like, whoa, 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:13.320 your brain just did something pretty neat, And that is 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:17.320 the case for mass psychogenic disorder if you ask me. Um. 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:22.200 In this article Chuck written by Jacob Silverman, Jeopardy champion, 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.400 Yeah well yeah, yeah, you won on Jeopardy. That makes 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:27.280 him a champion? Yeah, I think so. He wasn't like 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:30.360 the ultimate Champion, but he won a couple of episodes, right, 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:33.520 which is why they should have a word for. I 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.240 guess like the champion is like the one who won 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:41.080 at all Ken Jennings, Yeah, or um Watson, who's that 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:47.160 the IBM computer? Yeah, so Jeopardy winner. Jacob Silverman wrote 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:49.680 this article years back, and he did a pretty great 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:56.480 job of citing a contemporary outbreak of mass psychogenic disorder 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:59.880 that had been going on around that time down in Mexico, 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:04.240 down Mexico way in Chalco, Mexico at a boarding school. 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:08.280 There apparently was a girls boarding school and the girls 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:10.720 that went to school, they were just twelve to seventeen, 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:14.160 and all of a sudden, they started, well, there was 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:18.200 an outbreak, a weird outbreak. There was vomiting, I believe, 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:26.040 trouble walking. Um, there was fever, that's weird, nausea, and 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:29.480 so the the people running this boarding school like, um, 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:32.880 what's going on? This is not good? Yeah uh, and 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.799 they had no idea. The girls went on Christmas break 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:39.600 for ten days, came back, and the thing just took 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:43.760 off again like wildfire. Yeah, six hundred girls, um showed 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:47.240 these symptoms and nobody could figure it out. Um. They 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:49.120 did a lot of tests, they brought in people to 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:52.440 like check out the facilities, and because as you'll see, 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:56.320 there's a trend there. Um, you know here in the West, 0:04:56.400 --> 0:05:00.919 they start to blame it, usually on um, like environmental 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:03.640 poisoning of some kind. Right, Um, you know there's some 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:06.800 sort of toxin present that is poisoned everybody. They didn't 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:12.560 find anything there, and eventually, um, they said, this is uh, 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:16.520 what do you call it? Psychosomatic? Mass psychogenic disorder? Okay, 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:18.880 mass psychogenic disorder, but No, that is one of the 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:22.640 one of the names of mass psychogenic disorder collective hysteria, 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:28.159 mass hysteria, or mass psychosomatic reaction. They're all saying the 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:31.039 same thing they are, which is you're not well, but 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:33.640 so you're not really sick. But that is not exactly true, 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:37.120 because that's one thing that differentiates this from something that's 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:40.480 just in your head, as you actually do manifest physical symptoms. Right. Yeah, 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:43.880 there's this article written by a m d Named Timothy F. 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:47.080 Jones from the Tennessee Department of Health way back in 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:51.960 the heady days of two thousand, your two thousand the future, um, 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:55.960 and he writes that you, if you are experiencing mass 0:05:56.000 --> 0:06:00.240 psychogenic disorder, it is not just in your head. That 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:03.560 the symptoms that you have are actually very real. Even 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:07.360 though there's no toxic cause they couldn't find some sort 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.480 of environmental poison or anything like that, the symptoms are 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:14.440 extremely real. Yeah, it's just psycho somatic. It's just basically 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:19.600 the brain has been tricked into causing this response. Yeah, 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:23.679 and this has happened. Um. They've documented about eighty cases 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:27.279 throughout history, and apparently the National Institutes of Health gets 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:31.080 about two cases per week reported. But um, which is 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:34.560 I mean, like that's that's way more yeah, common than 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:37.040 than you would think. You know, yeah, I would think 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:39.039 there'd be more than eight, because I mean, these have happened. 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:41.240 If you go back and look at I mean, there's 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.480 all sorts of crazy list on the internet about these 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:47.080 cases that date back to like the fourteenth century medieval 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:51.760 dancing mania was one of them. Yeah, the dancing plague, Yeah, yeah, 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:56.480 that's in there. The Salem witchcraft trials or the Salem witchcraft. 0:06:56.640 --> 0:07:00.600 I guess what led to the trials was UM supposedly 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:04.640 attributed to this kind of thing. Uh. One weird thing 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:10.440 about this condition is more times than not it is 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:15.520 affects females, Yeah, and young females even more specifically teenagers 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.520 or even younger, which is as far as it goes 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:23.320 right now, inexplicable UM. And it's kind of a prickly issue, 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.600 you know, Like again you kind of come back to 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:29.360 the idea of calling it hysteria. You know the fact 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:33.680 that it does tend to afflict women or girls more 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:38.560 than them boys. UM is apparently one means of diagnosing 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.920 psychogenic disordered mass psychogenically that's like one of the first 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:44.120 things we'll say is like all this the sickness is 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:47.080 happening in this place, the school wherever, and the doctor 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:49.960 will say is it a bunch of girls? And then 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:52.280 that will clue them in that hey, this might be 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:54.840 what we're dealing with here and the but the problem 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.440 is no one has any idea why. And there have 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:04.160 been explanations of things like, um, uh, I guess girls 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:09.200 this is this is girls culturally acceptable outlet for raging 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:13.760 against the patriarchy. Sure, even if they don't necessarily feel 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:17.040 that that's what they're doing, this is there there? Uh, 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:20.200 this is the symptoms of that. That's one. Yeah, I 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:22.520 thought this was a pretty interesting part. What article was 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:25.800 that from Slate? Uh? There was h Yeah, one called 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:29.320 mass Asteria and Upstate New York by Ruth Graham was 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:30.680 on Slate. That was a good one. It was a 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:32.040 really good one. And we'll get to that case in 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:34.640 a sect. But um, I thought it was pretty interesting. 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:37.000 In one part it says, um, and this is a 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:39.800 quote from someone writing about something and said inform, if 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:44.040 not unconscious intent, it is to protest the sexual repressiveness, 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:48.120 rigid double standard of female team culture. Um. But they 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:51.680 were writing about Beatlemania, Yeah, which is interesting because it's 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:56.520 sort of has a similar vibe of uh, young ladies 0:08:56.559 --> 0:09:00.439 being repressed, um, not having an outlet, and so they 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:03.480 see the Beatles and they go berserk and faint and 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:08.160 cry and scream collectively. Whereas boys they're more prone to 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:10.480 just act out if they're not feeling good. Girls are 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:13.079 trained to keep things inward. And they also point out 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:16.720 that ladies and young ladies are more prone to seek 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:19.840 a doctor's help for something. Um. They say that may 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:22.760 account for the bias right there, like guys just won't 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:25.280 go to the doctor exactly. You have to be careful though, 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:29.520 and in just diagnosing mass psychogenic disorder, you physicians out 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:33.120 there who are listening the encounter a case like this, um, 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.079 it just by basing it on the fact that it 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:38.960 is affecting more girls than boys. Because there's at least 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:43.040 one case in Great Britain where I think girls were 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:46.880 afflicted by more than half. More than double the number 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.360 of girls were afflicted by this, and it turned out 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:52.040 that they were retaining cucumbers being served in in the 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:55.440 lunch room. Yeah, and everyone knows boys hate cucumbers, and 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:57.120 so I mean this is they didn't need anyone, right, 0:09:57.600 --> 0:09:59.800 But this is one of the issues with dealing with 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:05.400 UM mass psychogenic disorder, and that it looks and acts 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:10.440 a lot like some sort of weird epidemic. That basically 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:15.400 it looks like either a UM something like bioterrorism. Yeah, uh, 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:21.080 a rapidly spreading affection infection or affection of telemania and 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:24.920 then acute toxic exposure. That's what it looks like. It's 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.679 like one person gets sick, this is your index case, 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:31.680 and all of a sudden, everyone around them suddenly has 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:34.560 the same symptoms. Yeah. And it's like you said, it's 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:38.120 super dangerous to just dismiss that as oh it's all 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:40.760 in your head, silly little ladies. Uh, you can't do 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:43.680 that because what if it is something for real? But 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:48.439 it's also a double edged sword, is that doctor pointed out, Um, 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.719 you start ordering batteries of tests and it it It 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:55.040 can go both ways. It can Um. What the old 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:56.960 saying is, if you order enough tests, you're gonna find 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.959 something so it can fuel that fire. But you all 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:03.640 so can't not run any tests and just dismiss it. Uh. 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:07.080 So it's a very fine line that physicians walk when 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:10.360 dealing with stuff like this. For sure. Indeed, apparently UM 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:15.240 study of mass psychogenic disorder has found that it's more 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:21.240 prevalent in isolated communities and in situations where um, they 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:27.040 are highly rigid, formalized structured rules, like a Catholic school 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:31.400 of Mexico exactly UM. Or again um Salem, Massachusetts in 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:37.040 the seventeenth century, you know. Um. And apparently between nineteen 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:42.320 seventy three and half of all the outbreaks of psychogenetic 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:48.040 or psychogenic illness took place in schools, so that that's 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:54.800 possibly in part by due to kids being susceptible to 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:58.520 it more um, but also because of that that rigid 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:02.679 formalized structure. Yeah. And there's also usually a top down effect, 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:05.400 like it'll start with a teacher or an older student, 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:10.040 and then the younger students follow suit, which if you're 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:14.000 talking influence, would make sense for sure. There was one 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:17.520 very famous case UM. Apparently there's not very many actual 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:20.960 academic studies on this, but there's one that came out 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:25.880 of the New England Journal of Medicine UM that that 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:31.760 described a case in Tennessee where a teacher noticed, um, 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:37.200 some weird gas odor, A gassy odor, uh, like the 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:39.960 chemical kind, Yeah, not like the guy on the front 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:44.439 road too, did right exactly um, and she apparently started 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:48.600 suffering symptoms. Uh, and all of a sudden, like a 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:52.080 hundred and eighties students and teachers had to go to 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:55.120 the emergency room. The school was shut down for two weeks. 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:59.280 That did all this environmental testing, couldn't find anything, and 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:05.480 finally traced it back to UM psychogenic a mass psychogenic disorder, 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.840 if that's what didn't and then everyone In most of 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:12.760 these cases we should point out everyone. It starts feeling better, yes, 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.880 like in Mexico, and then at school in Tennessee. It's 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:18.440 it's not like they went on to die or anything. Yeah. 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:22.680 So in the school in Mexico, the these girls were 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.320 at a boarding school. They were only allowed to see 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:27.400 their parents, I think like three times a year. Yeah, 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:29.520 they couldn't even call. It's like it sounds more like 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:33.760 a prison. They were allowed letters when they went home. 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:37.839 Immediately their symptoms cleared up. The problem is that doesn't 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:41.080 automatically say oh, well, it's obviously mass psychogenic disorder. It 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:44.320 could be an environmental toxin that they were being exposed 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:48.440 to still at the school and we're removed from. But 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:54.880 I think the the definite prognosis is mass psychogenic disorder 0:13:54.880 --> 0:14:17.640 in this case. That's right. So the no Seebo effect 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:23.440 we talked about that and what the placebo effect, Well, 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.400 that makes sense. Yeah, I was trying to be more clever. 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.720 I thought we were more clever than that. Uh, no cebo, 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:31.360 I think we said in that other podcast it was 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:35.120 Latin for eyeshall harm. And that's basically whereas you take 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:37.200 a placebo thinking it's going to help you out, and 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.040 it does help you out because the mind is powerful. 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.920 The no Seebo effect is thinking something bad will result, 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:46.600 like my teachers getting sick. I think I feel a 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:49.120 little sick too, and then oh, hey, my neighbor is 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:50.720 feeling a little sick. I think I'm feeling a little 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.320 sick too. Or this this drug trial that I'm on, 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:56.560 I was told that I could possibly get some sort 0:14:56.600 --> 0:15:01.880 of gastro intestinal distress. Yeah, and even though I've been 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:06.960 given a sugar pill, I'm now going yeah because in 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.640 my mind because of the no cebo effect. Uh. There 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:13.760 was a famous experiment or case from six where there 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:17.280 was a woman who had a rose allergy and they 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:19.880 showed her an artificial rose and she began to I 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:22.400 guess it was convincing and she began to have her 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:27.680 allergic reaction and they said, ah, ha, it's fake and 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:31.800 you're faking, and uh she said, oh, well, I think 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:35.800 I'm feeling better now, and supposedly that cured her of 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:40.680 her real allergy to real roses. I couldn't find a 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:42.160 lot to back that up. But is it it is 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:44.080 a story? Yeah, well no, that's a I mean it 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.960 was in I can't remember the journal, but it was 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:50.080 really Yeah, it was a real deal thing. And um, 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:53.040 I don't I didn't get to the bottom of why 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:57.200 they presented this woman with a fake rose or whatever, 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:02.120 but they definitely didn't. This definitely happened. And um, the 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:04.960 the even the author of the study was saying, like 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:09.000 this woman, she wasn't faking. It was like she she 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:13.640 had real symptoms hives or hives exactly. I can see those. Um. 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:15.640 I think they call it like a rose cold or 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:19.720 something like that. You can get you know, stuffy, your 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:22.640 eyes are watering, your your nose is running, that kind 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:27.720 of thing. And what's interesting is some researchers have studied 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:32.080 the no cebo effect and they basically have isolated this 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:36.920 this chemical that gets released when the no cebo effects 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.520 going on. And again we should say it's not just 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.960 um making your nose runny or releasing histamines or anything 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:46.000 like that is pain too, Like you can you can 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:50.080 experience pain even though nothing's there to give you pain, 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.360 just because of the no cebo effect. What they found 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:58.720 was a um, A, I guess, uh, hormone, I believe 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:01.720 Are you ready? I'm going to try this one. Uh, 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:06.160 Cola cisto kinon. That sounds great, thanks man. I haven't 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:10.600 looked at the word, but it sounds right. Coli cisto kinon. Um. 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:13.320 Do you see it now? Yeah, that's totally right. I 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:15.360 totally did. So. It's a hormone, right, and it gets 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:20.640 released and it actually, um, it helps you experience pain. 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:24.240 So it's a nasty little hormone. But they found in 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:28.080 testing with the no cebo effect that if you block this, 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:30.800 you can also block the no sebo effect. So that 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:33.239 proves two things. Does that block pain though, like your 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.760 pain receptors. So does that mean if you slam your 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:37.399 hand in the door you won't feel it if you 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:41.320 can block this? Yes? So um, if you can block 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:46.600 Coli cisto knon, yes, it will keep you from um 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:50.879 hypersensitivity to pain, I believe. And this guy named Fabrizio 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:57.040 Benedetti I think was also in the Strokes Back. Yeah. 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:00.639 He uh. He was testing out the no eebo effect 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:03.040 and found that if he told people that he was 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:05.439 giving them an injection, which is it's a pretty cruel 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:10.639 test but effective. These post stop people who had just 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:14.840 come out of surgery. Uh, We're given an injection and 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:17.679 told this injection is going to increase your pain in 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:19.560 thirty minutes. I'm sorry, we have to give it to 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:22.760 it's part of the procedure. He gave some people an 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:26.520 injection of saline and they reported an increase in pain 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:28.760 and they all went behind the two way mirror and laughed, 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:34.679 right yeah, they're like yeah. And then they gave somebody, 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:39.119 like the other group, the control group, a chemical an 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:41.879 injection that blocks that pain. But they were told that 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:45.040 it was going to increase their pain. But they were 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:49.160 given a chemical that blocks coal is sister kinon, and 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:52.359 the cbo effect didn't take place. They didn't report an 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:54.600 increase in pain even though they were told they would. Yes, 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:58.240 so they So this guy is saying, like the no 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:02.040 cebo effect is like when when they say, it's not 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:06.840 just in your head. You're experiencing the same thing as 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:10.600 if you were experiencing somebody stabbing you. Well, what it 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:12.520 is really? You know, that's when you have to start 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:18.320 asking yourself those deep philosophical questions. Interesting. Um, there's another 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:22.359 case that's Have you ever seen the movie Safe, the 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:25.920 Todd Haynes movie with Julianne Moore. No, it's from like 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:29.920 the mid nineties, and she played a lady that um 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:34.720 started to have environmental sickness, um, just in the air, 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:38.960 and she's got sort of like increasingly um crazy as 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:41.160 the movie went on, as far as scrubbing things and 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:43.320 locking herself in her house and making her house a 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:47.560 clean environment. It was good and um there's there's a 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:51.080 true story though of a lady in London, UM named 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:55.760 Debbie Bird. She's a health spot manager that says that 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:59.720 she's allergic to E m F electro magnetic fields. And 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.560 it's an actual thing now you know, there's more than 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:07.119 her claiming. It's called e S electro magnetic sensitivity. Where 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:11.760 she has basically transformed her house. She painted it black. 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:16.040 She said she's allergic to computers, cell phones, microwaves. She 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:20.159 had her house rewired UH to make it basically e 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:23.320 M F free. Uh. She and her husband sleep under 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:26.240 a silver plated mosquito net to keep out radio waves 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:30.080 and covered all her windows with protective films, and she 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:34.080 said she feel a lot better now. So I saw that, Yes, 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:39.159 electromagnetic sensitivity, that if you expose somebody to a an 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:42.480 electromagnetic field and then just tell them that you are 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:46.320 and don't they have the same reaction, which would suggest 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:50.400 that it's it's no cibo. Well, it's super fascinating because 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:53.880 you cee cases like this from that to like gluten 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:57.960 sensitivity becoming a big thing now and people some people 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:01.560 contend that, well, it's maybe collective hysteria going on, and 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:03.840 if you think you're going to be sensitive to gluten, 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:06.479 then you're gonna be sensitive to things that contain gluten. 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:08.760 And I'm not saying that people because that's a very 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:12.840 hot topic. Sure it is, but um, some people have 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:15.000 claimed that, well, we'll talk a little bit more about 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:18.960 things that exacerbate the mass psychogenic disorder and the no 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:37.160 cebo effect right after this, so chuck. Back in two 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:42.120 thousand seven, in New Zealand, UH, a drug called el 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:46.159 trokes in it was a pretty widespread drug in New Zealand. 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:48.440 It's a hormone replacement drug, and it was the only 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:50.840 one that the government would pay for, so most people 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:53.680 who were on this hormone replacement therapy, we're using l 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:57.200 trokes in. And it had been that way for like decades. 0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:02.040 It was just an established trug Glaxos Smith client hormone 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:06.639 replacement Glaxo Smith Klin. I think just those there's no 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:12.560 welcome involved. Um changed just the like the outer the 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:14.960 inner qualities of it, like the shape of the pill, 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:18.359 the color um and I think that's about it. But 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:22.840 the the active ingredient was exactly the same in two 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:26.680 thousand seven, uh And when they released it, all of 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:31.000 a sudden, some reports of bad side effects were starting 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:33.760 to trickle in, and the government was like, wait, what's 0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:36.800 going on here. It got a little bit of media 0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:41.119 attention and more reports started trickling in, and then the 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:43.960 media attention grew, and the reports grew and grew, and 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:51.000 apparently the reporting of adverse effects of altrusin increased two 0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:54.520 thousandfold in a year and a half because of the 0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:56.640 look of the bill. Because of the look of the pill, 0:22:57.359 --> 0:22:59.199 they went back and studied this, and they found that 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:03.680 in areas where there was more reporting about these adverse 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:07.000 effects being reported for all trucs, and the more adverse 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:10.160 effects were being reported in that area. And that kind 0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:14.480 of reveals one of the um risk factors for mass 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:19.159 psychogenic disorder is the media. It's actually spread through the 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:22.880 media most easily. Yeah, they have a point, though, I mean, um, 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:24.760 I know in this article too, it points out that 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:28.720 pills that are blue and green are usually associated with drowsiness. 0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:33.680 Pills that are orange or yellow are not. And I 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:35.320 don't know if that's why they market it that way 0:23:35.359 --> 0:23:37.480 or if it's the opposite, as we just see it 0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:39.880 that way because of products like niquil and day quill. 0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:42.919 But the one that makes you sleepy is green and blue, 0:23:42.960 --> 0:23:45.119 and the one that keeps you awake or keep you 0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:48.200 awake but doesn't make you drowsy orange. I thought about it. 0:23:48.320 --> 0:23:50.520 I think, I mean, what do you associate with like 0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:55.320 daytime sunrise? Yellow? Orange makes sense? What do you associate 0:23:55.400 --> 0:24:00.320 with nighttime like something tranquil like blue? Yeah, Scotch gotch 0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:04.080 Hamber Uh, yeah, I mean you think of that's what 0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:07.199 I I think it came from. I think the pills 0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:11.360 came after the association rather than the other way around. Yeah. 0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:15.040 I think I even like when I get a prescription 0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:17.600 for something, when I see the pill, I make a 0:24:17.680 --> 0:24:20.199 judgment on it before I've even had it, just by saying, well, 0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:22.840 don't look at that thing that Yeah, that's a horse pill, 0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:27.280 or that's a capsule with you know, powdery stuff inside 0:24:27.320 --> 0:24:30.720 that's different than the chalky one. It's you. I think 0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:32.480 you just make an association. I don't think I have 0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:35.720 any preconceived notions on what a larger pill will do 0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:38.240 to me or a capsule will do to me other 0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:41.200 than a tablet. But I think it's interesting, though, how 0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:45.400 you make these judgment calls, but without even thinking about Yeah, 0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:48.600 totally you know. I mean like you're you're you probably 0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:50.480 don't sit there and look at a pill in your hand. 0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:54.280 You just take it and just make some sort of, um, 0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:58.159 almost unconscious judgments about it. Yeah, it may remind you 0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:00.840 another pill that helps you that you're not even remembering exactly, 0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:04.520 So that would be placebo. Yeah that's great. No cebo 0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:07.160 effect not great. Poses no, and it poses a lot 0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:12.000 of problems. For instance, there was a study I think 0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:15.880 in the nineties that found that Women who believed that 0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:19.280