WEBVTT - Episode 3: “Inside Information” 0:00:15.422 --> 0:00:28.262 Pushkin last time on Wednesday. 0:00:28.942 --> 0:00:31.582 From the outside looking in, she had the perfect life. 0:00:31.742 --> 0:00:36.622 She got this money thing where it was everything everything 0:00:36.662 --> 0:00:40.502 to her, and it just created a monster. 0:00:40.822 --> 0:00:42.702 We were so on Harper the place, and we took 0:00:42.742 --> 0:00:45.942 them down the road and looked, and he just thought 0:00:45.942 --> 0:00:46.702 dollar science. 0:00:47.062 --> 0:00:51.022 She turned to me and she said, if anything ever 0:00:51.502 --> 0:00:54.222 happens to me, Clinton did it. 0:01:09.262 --> 0:01:13.422 In the aftermath of DEA's disappearance, Keith Harper wrote letters 0:01:13.462 --> 0:01:17.662 to local police the Riverside County Sheriff. He was trying 0:01:17.702 --> 0:01:21.702 to persuade them to keep looking for her. And he 0:01:21.782 --> 0:01:26.702 also tried something unexpected or at least surprising to me 0:01:27.262 --> 0:01:31.142 for a guy like Harper. He caught up psychics across 0:01:31.182 --> 0:01:33.662 the country to try and persuade them to. 0:01:33.622 --> 0:01:34.222 Look for Dea. 0:01:35.222 --> 0:01:39.982 Yes, psychics, and that's how a guy called Kelly Snyder 0:01:40.142 --> 0:01:41.542 got pulled into all of this. 0:01:42.422 --> 0:01:46.902 Keith Harper, who stated he was the fiance of Dea, 0:01:47.742 --> 0:01:52.502 contacted our organization. I believe it was in February or 0:01:52.582 --> 0:01:57.262 March of twenty twenty one, which was about eight months 0:01:57.302 --> 0:01:58.662 after Dia went missing. 0:01:59.702 --> 0:02:03.702 Kelly worked for the DEEA, the Drug Enforcement Administration for 0:02:03.782 --> 0:02:08.262 two decades, but now he runs a missing person's nonprofit 0:02:08.342 --> 0:02:12.062 called find Me. They mostly work on cold cases and 0:02:12.102 --> 0:02:14.662 they try to find people who've been missing for years, 0:02:15.182 --> 0:02:21.942 sometimes decades. They have search teams, divers, cadaver dogs, the works. 0:02:22.582 --> 0:02:29.582 Oh and they also work with all kinds of psychics. 0:02:30.942 --> 0:02:34.782 Almost all of them have the clairvoyant and the clare statient, 0:02:34.942 --> 0:02:37.382 you know, all the c and then some of them 0:02:37.422 --> 0:02:40.942 are mediums so they're actually able to talk to the 0:02:41.022 --> 0:02:41.662 dead person. 0:02:42.022 --> 0:02:43.822 Then we have remote viewers. 0:02:44.182 --> 0:02:47.062 Kelly says they've had a lot of success using his 0:02:47.182 --> 0:02:50.422 team of around one hundred psychics who live all over 0:02:50.462 --> 0:02:54.062 the world. He tells me they've helped solve one hundred 0:02:54.102 --> 0:02:57.022 and twenty one cases, and it seems like they've gotten 0:02:57.102 --> 0:03:01.102 some attention over the years. Bruce Willis once attended a 0:03:01.222 --> 0:03:02.502 find Me fundraiser. 0:03:03.062 --> 0:03:05.542 I think I've only had two people currently in the 0:03:05.582 --> 0:03:06.742 group that do channeling. 0:03:07.742 --> 0:03:10.982 But anyway to how Kelly got dragged into all of this, 0:03:12.182 --> 0:03:14.902 Harper had reached out asking for help. 0:03:19.862 --> 0:03:25.182 And he asked us to investigate it using our methodologies, 0:03:25.222 --> 0:03:29.102 and unbeknownst to me at the time, he was already 0:03:29.142 --> 0:03:32.262 contacting various psychics around the country. 0:03:32.902 --> 0:03:35.822 Was his behavior kind of normal for someone in his situation. 0:03:36.662 --> 0:03:40.862 Actually, he was an incredible pain in the ass. He 0:03:40.902 --> 0:03:45.022 would constantly call me, constantly text me, when do you 0:03:45.022 --> 0:03:47.502 think you might be able to do this? And what 0:03:47.582 --> 0:03:51.342 kind of information are you getting? Is the dead? Is 0:03:51.342 --> 0:03:53.182 Dea alive? This kind of crapple. 0:03:54.502 --> 0:03:57.982 Harper was convinced that Kelly, with his crew of psychics, 0:03:58.422 --> 0:04:03.062 could uncover what happened to Dea. Before Kelly decided whether 0:04:03.102 --> 0:04:07.422 to get involved, he called Riverside Sheriff's Department. He always 0:04:07.462 --> 0:04:11.222 contacts local law enforcement before taking on a case. He 0:04:11.302 --> 0:04:14.262 wanted to know if they'd be interested in receiving any 0:04:14.342 --> 0:04:17.862 information he might find. Kelly says he spoke to a 0:04:17.942 --> 0:04:19.022 Riverside sergeant. 0:04:19.862 --> 0:04:24.822 They were and he immediately started telling me that Keith 0:04:24.862 --> 0:04:27.102 Harper was one of the people that they had as 0:04:27.142 --> 0:04:30.262 a person of interest. And he said, there are others 0:04:30.342 --> 0:04:33.182 that I will not name to you, but since Keith 0:04:33.262 --> 0:04:35.822 is asking for your help, I wanted you to know 0:04:36.382 --> 0:04:39.822 that he is a person of interest in the case. 0:04:42.142 --> 0:04:44.942 By the way, the cops wouldn't confirm that with me. 0:04:45.582 --> 0:04:49.422 They also won't share names of official suspects, but Harper 0:04:49.502 --> 0:04:54.782 did tell me that they've questioned him multiple times After 0:04:54.862 --> 0:04:57.422 his call with the sergeant, Kelly brought up what he'd 0:04:57.502 --> 0:05:00.142 learned with Harper and he. 0:05:00.102 --> 0:05:02.382 Said, yes, I'm aware that I am a person of 0:05:02.462 --> 0:05:08.622 interest and I'm probably their primary suspect. And I said 0:05:08.622 --> 0:05:11.422 why do you say that, and he goes, well, shortly 0:05:11.462 --> 0:05:14.982 after Dia went missing, I had to go out of town. 0:05:15.862 --> 0:05:19.622 And that raised a lot of eyebrows. And I said, well, 0:05:19.742 --> 0:05:21.542 when did you leave? And he said it was about 0:05:21.902 --> 0:05:25.022 two and a half days after she went missing. And 0:05:25.182 --> 0:05:27.502 originally he told me he had something that he had 0:05:27.502 --> 0:05:31.702 to do in New Mexico and here in Arizona, but 0:05:31.742 --> 0:05:33.382 I forget what he told me he had to do. 0:05:33.942 --> 0:05:36.982 And then I said, well, why couldn't you postpone it? 0:05:36.982 --> 0:05:39.462 And he said one of the reasons I had to 0:05:39.542 --> 0:05:42.062 go out of town was I had to report to 0:05:42.102 --> 0:05:43.302 my probation officer. 0:05:44.262 --> 0:05:48.382 And there's that probation story again. You might remember from 0:05:48.422 --> 0:05:51.582 our first episode. A friend of DearS also said that 0:05:51.622 --> 0:05:54.862 Harper talked about leaving town with Deer's dog Ruby to 0:05:54.942 --> 0:05:58.942 check in with a probation officer. Harper denies saying that, though, 0:05:59.302 --> 0:06:01.942 and still insists to me that he was heading to 0:06:02.102 --> 0:06:10.382 Arizona to pay a tax Bill, What were some of 0:06:10.422 --> 0:06:13.862 your thoughts at the beginning of all this towards Keith 0:06:13.942 --> 0:06:15.342 and towards what might have happened. 0:06:16.702 --> 0:06:20.222 Well, yeah, I mean I originally I just had him 0:06:20.502 --> 0:06:24.622 labeled somewhere in the seventy five to ninety range as 0:06:24.622 --> 0:06:29.422 far as being guilty, and he had every reason to 0:06:29.782 --> 0:06:34.822 harm her, but so did Chrissara and Clinton, just because 0:06:34.902 --> 0:06:36.182 so much money's involved. 0:06:36.462 --> 0:06:38.902 Clinton and Kassara de as children. 0:06:39.982 --> 0:06:44.782 So that's always been on my mind, and I've talked 0:06:44.822 --> 0:06:49.142 touring numerous times about it, confronted him on numerous occasions, 0:06:49.182 --> 0:06:53.582 and I just get the feeling that he knows a 0:06:53.622 --> 0:06:55.902 little bit more than he's trying to share with me. 0:06:56.702 --> 0:07:00.742 But then I don't, I don't have that eighty ninety 0:07:00.782 --> 0:07:06.142 percent feeling anymore. If anything, he's probably fifty percent involved 0:07:06.262 --> 0:07:11.022 in some capacity. But you know, all three of them 0:07:11.062 --> 0:07:15.462 have a reason to have her deceased. They're going to 0:07:16.102 --> 0:07:17.382 be incredibly wealthy. 0:07:18.502 --> 0:07:22.062 You might remember, just two weeks before Deer went missing, 0:07:22.502 --> 0:07:25.782 she revised the details of her trust. She put Keith 0:07:25.822 --> 0:07:30.222 Harper and her friend Diana Fetta in charge should anything 0:07:30.262 --> 0:07:34.742 happen to her. That meant the ranch, her assets, everything 0:07:34.822 --> 0:07:46.582 she owned was legally in their hands. So while Harper 0:07:46.702 --> 0:07:50.982 was hounding Kelly, the cops and all those psychics, Clinton 0:07:51.062 --> 0:07:55.542 mounted his own search. He recruited lawyers to fight Harper 0:07:55.582 --> 0:07:59.622 and Diana in court, and he hired private investigators to 0:07:59.742 --> 0:08:05.022 start digging. And so too camps form Clinton with his 0:08:05.062 --> 0:08:09.302 team of lawyers and private investigators, and Harper with all 0:08:09.342 --> 0:08:12.262 his efforts to get people like Kelly and the psychics 0:08:12.262 --> 0:08:17.182 to help. Both men racing to pin DEA's disappearance on 0:08:17.262 --> 0:08:17.742 each other. 0:08:23.662 --> 0:08:27.622 Yeah, there's so many unknowns and ups and downs in this, 0:08:28.502 --> 0:08:31.662 and it literally all surrounds the fact that she was 0:08:31.822 --> 0:08:35.062 so wealthy. Money talks and bullshit walks. 0:08:44.582 --> 0:08:53.302 I'm Lucy Sheriff, and this is Where's Deer? Episode three 0:08:54.182 --> 0:09:11.982 Inside Information. When I first get in touch with Harper 0:09:12.422 --> 0:09:16.182 a few months after Dear's disappearance, he bounces all these 0:09:16.222 --> 0:09:20.382 theories off me of what might have happened. But after 0:09:20.422 --> 0:09:24.942 a while he whittles the theories down to two main possibilities. 0:09:25.942 --> 0:09:30.782 She either taken or she leaves on our court. 0:09:31.182 --> 0:09:35.822 If she was taken, you now, she shins over and 0:09:35.862 --> 0:09:40.302 over over and over again to me and others that 0:09:41.062 --> 0:09:43.502 if I disappear and if my son's doing. 0:09:44.342 --> 0:09:47.782 He's convinced that in either scenario, it all leads back 0:09:47.822 --> 0:09:51.582 to Clinton. If deer ran away, it was because she 0:09:51.702 --> 0:09:54.982 was scared of him, and if she was kidnapped, it 0:09:55.062 --> 0:09:59.422 was on Clinton's orders. And then at some point Harper 0:09:59.462 --> 0:10:01.382 even starts to believe he's in danger. 0:10:02.062 --> 0:10:06.742 I've always still at risk at all the time. They 0:10:09.222 --> 0:10:16.342 you can die if they did, I just. 0:10:16.382 --> 0:10:16.462 So. 0:10:17.142 --> 0:10:19.502 And when you say when you say they, you're talking 0:10:19.542 --> 0:10:22.542 about her family, Yes, okay. 0:10:23.222 --> 0:10:27.502 He goes back and forth between these two theories, between 0:10:27.502 --> 0:10:30.702 wanting to believe dear is still alive and having this 0:10:30.822 --> 0:10:35.382 hunch that's something terrible has happened to her. It can 0:10:35.422 --> 0:10:36.782 get a little confusing. 0:10:37.022 --> 0:10:41.542 So who's I don't want it, not trying to lead 0:10:41.862 --> 0:10:45.542 in the wrong world, But I'm going through a logical explanation. 0:10:50.982 --> 0:10:55.742 As time goes on, Harper's search intensifies, and so do 0:10:55.862 --> 0:10:59.902 his calls to me. These are just some of the 0:10:59.982 --> 0:11:00.982 voice fails he left me. 0:11:01.102 --> 0:11:05.062 Anyway, this story is getting ready to blow wide open. 0:11:05.142 --> 0:11:07.302 If you want some information. 0:11:08.102 --> 0:11:10.182 We can talk somewhere. 0:11:10.182 --> 0:11:13.502 In all of the conversations, I realized he was becoming 0:11:13.582 --> 0:11:18.822 quite the regular presence in my life. Just checking in 0:11:18.902 --> 0:11:21.142 with you, and I was starting to feel a little 0:11:21.262 --> 0:11:24.942 uncomfortable with that he catches me while I'm out driving, 0:11:25.302 --> 0:11:27.782 cooking dinner, or out with my friends. 0:11:27.982 --> 0:11:30.582 Thank you for all the service that you do, and 0:11:30.822 --> 0:11:31.942 keep ling and you're dead. 0:11:32.102 --> 0:11:32.622 Thanks why? 0:11:33.902 --> 0:11:37.222 Oh, and he thinks my name is Lacy, despite my 0:11:37.662 --> 0:11:39.742 repeated attempts to correct him. 0:11:40.102 --> 0:11:41.742 Give me your name one more time so I can 0:11:41.822 --> 0:11:43.182 put a name with a number. 0:11:43.422 --> 0:11:45.702 My first name is Lucy, l U see why. 0:11:46.982 --> 0:11:51.262 And my surname is Sheriff, like the cop, but with 0:11:52.182 --> 0:11:58.102 two r's and two shy. He never got it, and 0:11:58.542 --> 0:12:03.062 he still calls me Lacy. At one point, the calls 0:12:03.102 --> 0:12:05.342 got so bad that I had to take a break. 0:12:05.622 --> 0:12:07.622 A Harber. 0:12:08.982 --> 0:12:11.662 Just starting a test BASI, you said it'd be about 0:12:11.702 --> 0:12:13.142 ten days before you got back. 0:12:13.782 --> 0:12:16.622 I'll try to call you maybe later in this afternoon. 0:12:17.742 --> 0:12:22.182 Remember how Kelly said Harper was really persistent. Yeah, I 0:12:22.262 --> 0:12:25.982 knew exactly what he meant. It felt like Harper was 0:12:26.102 --> 0:12:28.982 trying to pull me in as a teammate an ally. 0:12:30.262 --> 0:12:32.222 I think the kind of the idea that you're too 0:12:32.342 --> 0:12:36.702 busy for this story. If that's true, let me know 0:12:36.942 --> 0:12:40.662 and we'll see. What are you to correcommend somebody, but 0:12:41.342 --> 0:12:44.622 veins are starting to happen. I'll bet I need you 0:12:44.742 --> 0:12:45.422 onboard for. 0:12:55.302 --> 0:12:56.582 It all got to be too much. 0:12:57.422 --> 0:12:59.822 I didn't speak to him for a good few months, 0:13:00.182 --> 0:13:02.302 and to be honest, it was great to have a break. 0:13:04.022 --> 0:13:07.782 But then I got this nagging feeling like I had 0:13:07.982 --> 0:13:12.582 to find a way to finished the story. And there 0:13:12.662 --> 0:13:16.622 was something else that happened, which be warned, is a 0:13:16.742 --> 0:13:19.062 little la woo woo and definitely not. 0:13:19.262 --> 0:13:20.022 Very British of me. 0:13:21.422 --> 0:13:26.062 I often have incredibly detailed, insightful dreams, and I had 0:13:26.142 --> 0:13:35.822 one of those dreams. I was hiking on a narrow 0:13:36.022 --> 0:13:42.622 switchback path, ducking under branches, heading towards the mountains. It 0:13:42.782 --> 0:13:47.462 was sunny and I felt at peace, and then I 0:13:47.542 --> 0:13:51.622 heard a voice, a male voice, and it said, just. 0:13:51.822 --> 0:14:06.222 One thing, find dear, And then I woke up. The 0:14:06.302 --> 0:14:06.782 next day. 0:14:07.302 --> 0:14:09.862 I took a deep breath, picked up my phone and 0:14:09.982 --> 0:14:11.342 I dialed Harper's number. 0:14:15.502 --> 0:14:16.902 Thank you, how are you? 0:14:17.982 --> 0:14:20.342 Oh God, Spenna? Hell of a rats? 0:14:20.382 --> 0:14:23.822 For a year, a lot had happened since we last spoke. 0:14:24.422 --> 0:14:28.462 They have now almost pinpoint where she is. 0:14:29.662 --> 0:14:32.262 What sat. 0:14:33.982 --> 0:14:35.142 Do they think she's alive? 0:14:36.262 --> 0:14:41.742 Now? They blease steps, They believe that they believe that 0:14:41.902 --> 0:14:42.662 she was correct. 0:14:46.862 --> 0:14:52.502 And why do they think that, Well. 0:14:52.742 --> 0:15:00.622 Uh, hey, they just have some inside information that they're 0:15:00.702 --> 0:15:01.222 the ones. 0:15:02.902 --> 0:15:04.982 I'm going to pause here for a minute and talk 0:15:05.062 --> 0:15:12.982 about this inside information, which came from Kelly's psychics. After 0:15:13.102 --> 0:15:16.262 Kelly finally agreed to help Harper, he put his psychics 0:15:16.302 --> 0:15:19.822 on the case. Oh and by the way, Kelly doesn't 0:15:19.822 --> 0:15:24.542 get paid by Harper or the cops. Anyway, Kelly sent 0:15:24.622 --> 0:15:27.422 an email to his entire network, all one hundred or 0:15:27.462 --> 0:15:31.142 so of them, asking who was interested in helping, and 0:15:31.262 --> 0:15:33.342 he gave them some basic information. 0:15:34.382 --> 0:15:38.062 Every time we receive a missing person case like THEND 0:15:38.062 --> 0:15:42.622 them a photograph, the address or GPS coordinates the last 0:15:42.702 --> 0:15:47.342 place the person was seen, and then I say, what happened, 0:15:47.422 --> 0:15:51.222 what are the circumstances surrounding the disappearance, and where is 0:15:51.302 --> 0:15:52.342 that person right now? 0:15:54.342 --> 0:15:57.182 I just want to say, I've lived in LA for 0:15:57.302 --> 0:16:00.102 long enough now to just accept that this guy, this 0:16:00.582 --> 0:16:04.062 x DEA agent who is a gruff, meat and potatoes 0:16:04.182 --> 0:16:09.062 kind of guy, uses psychics to find missing people. Generally speaking, 0:16:09.822 --> 0:16:14.422 it's hard to say how seriously law enforcement takes psychic information. 0:16:15.542 --> 0:16:18.902 A lot of departments categorically say they don't use them. 0:16:19.782 --> 0:16:23.662 But I did find a rather amusing report from the 0:16:23.742 --> 0:16:27.782 California Department of Justice. It's old, it was published in 0:16:27.822 --> 0:16:31.542 the nineties, but it shares some tips on how law 0:16:31.662 --> 0:16:36.582 enforcement could use psychics, and it refers to officers who 0:16:36.662 --> 0:16:42.582 said psychics quote provided them with otherwise unknown information and 0:16:42.662 --> 0:16:47.462 that in some cases quote, missing bodies were discovered in 0:16:47.702 --> 0:16:49.862 areas described by the psychic. 0:16:50.902 --> 0:16:56.422 So there's that. But back to Kelly. 0:16:57.542 --> 0:17:00.822 After he wrote to his psychic network, more than half 0:17:00.942 --> 0:17:03.822 responded saying they had information about Dea. 0:17:04.982 --> 0:17:06.422 So where do you think dear is. 0:17:09.462 --> 0:17:11.942 Here? Asking the question dead or alive to de Seed. 0:17:13.622 --> 0:17:17.462 This is the first time I've heard someone definitively say 0:17:17.622 --> 0:17:21.542 they think Dea is dead. And yes, I know this 0:17:21.702 --> 0:17:25.422 information is coming from a team of psychics, but Kelly 0:17:25.542 --> 0:17:29.702 takes it at face value. And just to be clear, 0:17:30.302 --> 0:17:34.302 the psychics don't receive names from Kelly of any possible suspects, 0:17:34.822 --> 0:17:36.822 and they're told not to confer with each other either. 0:17:38.422 --> 0:17:42.102 The psychics who responded to Kelly's call out shared information 0:17:42.302 --> 0:17:47.022 about who they thought was responsible for DEA's death. Thirteen 0:17:47.102 --> 0:17:50.582 of them said Dea had been abducted and killed by 0:17:50.662 --> 0:17:55.342 her boyfriend, husband or significant other. A handful said her 0:17:55.422 --> 0:18:01.022 son was responsible. And then curiously, there was another theory 0:18:01.822 --> 0:18:05.142 that there was a trio of individuals, two men and 0:18:05.262 --> 0:18:09.582 a woman who were involved in her death. This theory 0:18:09.662 --> 0:18:11.902 stuck out to Kelly because it came from four of 0:18:12.022 --> 0:18:17.662 his mediums, who he says can be especially accurate. Quick reminder, 0:18:18.142 --> 0:18:20.582 a medium is someone who can speak to the dead. 0:18:21.862 --> 0:18:26.262 They were all saying the same thing independently, which was 0:18:27.382 --> 0:18:30.542 that she was murdered. She was murdered by three people 0:18:30.822 --> 0:18:32.262 through males and a female. 0:18:32.942 --> 0:18:39.382 She was taken and you know, killed and buried, and 0:18:40.982 --> 0:18:41.942 basically that was it. 0:18:43.262 --> 0:18:47.142 Some of the psychics also shared specific coordinates of where 0:18:47.262 --> 0:18:50.942 they thought DEA's body could be buried. One coordinate was 0:18:50.982 --> 0:18:55.222 on DEA's ranch, two were nearby in Lake Hemmett, a 0:18:55.382 --> 0:18:59.702 large reservoir in the mountains, and a fourth option was 0:18:59.782 --> 0:19:07.622 in the middle of nowhere in the Arizona Desert. Kelly 0:19:07.702 --> 0:19:10.182 writes all this up and shares his report with the 0:19:10.262 --> 0:19:13.262 Sheriff's department. He won't send the full thing to me, 0:19:13.782 --> 0:19:18.142 he says it's confidential and could jeopardize the case. But remember, 0:19:18.782 --> 0:19:23.702 this isn't necessarily just all woo woo nonsense. Kelly's psychics 0:19:23.742 --> 0:19:27.622 have actually helped find missing people, at least according to 0:19:27.702 --> 0:19:31.662 the testimonies on fime's website. The fact that there were 0:19:31.742 --> 0:19:36.222 other people who could be responsible for Deer's disappearance was 0:19:36.382 --> 0:19:41.062 just wild to me. That meant there's a chance that 0:19:41.222 --> 0:19:44.582 Harper might be telling the truth, which would track with 0:19:44.662 --> 0:19:47.262 the fact that he's asked so many people for help, 0:19:48.022 --> 0:19:53.502 police detectives, psychics around the country, another missing person's organization. 0:19:54.502 --> 0:19:57.822 Why would someone reach out to so many people if 0:19:57.862 --> 0:19:58.942 they had something to hide? 0:19:59.822 --> 0:20:05.462 Well, yeah, And that's probably the most puzzling thing is 0:20:06.102 --> 0:20:10.022 if you're guilty, you can still pret that you care 0:20:10.182 --> 0:20:13.662 and pretend that you're, you know, trying to find out 0:20:13.702 --> 0:20:16.462 where she is, even though you know where she is 0:20:16.502 --> 0:20:18.262 because you're the one that killed her and buried her. 0:20:19.182 --> 0:20:22.262 But why keep going to different people? 0:20:22.302 --> 0:20:23.062 It's not just me. 0:20:28.662 --> 0:20:31.262 The moment the psychic's weigh in seems to be the 0:20:31.382 --> 0:20:35.382 point that Harper gives up hope Dear is alive. He 0:20:35.622 --> 0:20:39.142 uses some of the details from Kelly's report to further 0:20:39.222 --> 0:20:42.262 back up his theory that Clinton is involved, and he 0:20:42.502 --> 0:20:44.422 never ever sways from that. 0:20:44.582 --> 0:20:44.942 Conviction. 0:20:46.022 --> 0:20:50.862 They have a lot of information about what may have 0:20:51.062 --> 0:20:58.342 gone down ah and who may be responsible for. 0:20:59.942 --> 0:21:03.382 Harper actually starts talking about all of this as the truth. 0:21:04.222 --> 0:21:06.302 And it's so crazy for me to watch him go 0:21:06.422 --> 0:21:10.462 through this process of not knowing and stumbling around in 0:21:10.542 --> 0:21:14.422 the dark with all these different theories. So then grasping 0:21:14.462 --> 0:21:17.862 onto this vague information that's fed to him by psychics 0:21:18.822 --> 0:21:23.062 and holding onto it as a pure, hard fact, as 0:21:23.102 --> 0:21:27.582 the ultimate truth. He confused me at first until I 0:21:27.702 --> 0:21:28.822 understood what was happening. 0:21:30.182 --> 0:21:35.302 You looked at how she's killed and how he's been placed. 0:21:35.422 --> 0:21:40.182 That's a that's a professional kill. That's not somebody her know, 0:21:41.142 --> 0:21:47.502 and Kane bearing and extensively scared the hyder. 0:21:48.382 --> 0:21:52.142 Wait, who are you talking about now, Dieta. 0:21:53.542 --> 0:21:55.542 You said, if you if you look at how she's 0:21:55.622 --> 0:21:56.542 been killed. 0:21:57.102 --> 0:22:00.422 If you look at how she has been killed at 0:22:00.502 --> 0:22:03.502 place in the lake, she's been weighted down. 0:22:03.622 --> 0:22:06.582 There's all kinds of evidence to hide her. 0:22:07.382 --> 0:22:09.142 But you don't know for sure that she's. 0:22:10.942 --> 0:22:11.102 Well. 0:22:11.222 --> 0:22:13.422 I don't know. I'm sure she's there, but I think 0:22:13.462 --> 0:22:14.262 we'll find out. 0:22:17.822 --> 0:22:20.782 Harper believes that what Kelly's psychics are coming up with 0:22:21.582 --> 0:22:25.382 is enough to prove his innocence, although to be clear, 0:22:25.902 --> 0:22:30.502 there is no actual evidence, just narratives provided by the psychics. 0:22:31.302 --> 0:22:37.462 I hate to ask you this, but if they do 0:22:37.742 --> 0:22:43.702 find her and she's not alive, do you anticipate the 0:22:43.822 --> 0:22:45.982 police coming to question you again? 0:22:48.142 --> 0:22:55.142 You know, I think what Kelly has accumulated that it 0:22:55.382 --> 0:23:01.382 points away from me and points towards. 0:23:02.342 --> 0:23:03.142 The other side. 0:23:05.022 --> 0:23:08.462 After Kelly sent his report to the cops, Harper was 0:23:08.582 --> 0:23:12.622 texting and calling me excitedly. He was convinced they were 0:23:12.662 --> 0:23:16.262 going to find Deer's body imminently, but it would be 0:23:16.422 --> 0:23:18.342 months before the cops acted. 0:23:20.542 --> 0:23:21.542 We'll be right back. 0:23:55.382 --> 0:23:59.142 While Harper is out consulting psychics. Clinton has a more 0:23:59.542 --> 0:24:04.862 grounded approach on that weekend in June twenty twenty, when 0:24:04.902 --> 0:24:06.862 he got a call from one of DEA's neighbors to 0:24:06.902 --> 0:24:10.942 say his mother was missing, he sprung into action right away. 0:24:12.102 --> 0:24:13.142 She said, Diaz missing. 0:24:13.542 --> 0:24:16.782 You know, I'm really really worried that something happened to her, 0:24:16.942 --> 0:24:21.902 that that Harper or somebody else harmed her in some way, and. 0:24:23.382 --> 0:24:24.902 You know, you got to come up here right now. 0:24:25.982 --> 0:24:29.742 He immediately went into high alert mode, even if he 0:24:29.822 --> 0:24:31.462 still wasn't really sure what was going on. 0:24:32.542 --> 0:24:34.582 I didn't know if you know, this was being blown 0:24:34.622 --> 0:24:39.502 out of proportion or understated, or if she had had 0:24:39.662 --> 0:24:42.342 a migraine and was you know, got a hotel somewhere, 0:24:42.702 --> 0:24:47.702 or if she had been murdered, or just kind of 0:24:47.822 --> 0:24:49.862 Fogle war type of situation. 0:24:50.862 --> 0:24:53.222 To Clinton, it didn't matter that he didn't know all 0:24:53.262 --> 0:24:56.822 the details. He felt he was going into battle and 0:24:56.942 --> 0:24:59.022 he was going to take precautions. 0:25:02.702 --> 0:25:06.342 What I did was I immediately called a private investigation 0:25:06.662 --> 0:25:09.262 company and I paid the deposit right there for. 0:25:09.462 --> 0:25:13.782 Dogs, dogs as in search dogs. 0:25:15.302 --> 0:25:19.502 I don't know the precise terminology, the proper nomenclature for 0:25:20.222 --> 0:25:23.102 these type of dogs, but essentially kadab or dogs or 0:25:23.182 --> 0:25:25.822 bloodhouse dogs or you know, some type of dog that 0:25:25.902 --> 0:25:26.462 could find her. 0:25:30.262 --> 0:25:33.062 Harper had been with DEA for at least two years, 0:25:33.782 --> 0:25:38.262 but Clinton says he'd never met him despite this. On 0:25:38.382 --> 0:25:41.822 his way up to the ranch, Clinton says, he calls Harper. 0:25:42.262 --> 0:25:44.782 But I did get to, you know, instill a little 0:25:44.822 --> 0:25:48.742 fear into him, and I told him to bring me 0:25:48.862 --> 0:25:52.182 some clothes that Dia had worn recently, so that the 0:25:52.302 --> 0:25:56.142 dogs had to send a reference scent to go off of. 0:25:57.102 --> 0:26:01.302 Clinton arrived at the ranch and almost immediately he said, 0:26:01.422 --> 0:26:05.542 any hope he had that Dea maybe alive vanished because 0:26:05.542 --> 0:26:07.822 he felt like Harper was acting suspiciously. 0:26:12.782 --> 0:26:14.862 You said some weird stuff about you know, if you 0:26:14.942 --> 0:26:18.462 go up the hill and you find a corpse, you know, 0:26:18.662 --> 0:26:21.422 don't touch it because it might be a crime scene 0:26:21.662 --> 0:26:25.222 or some such very strange commentary. 0:26:26.102 --> 0:26:28.742 Did you think that there was any chance that Dea 0:26:28.822 --> 0:26:29.902 had left on her own? 0:26:32.662 --> 0:26:33.182 I did not. 0:26:33.782 --> 0:26:37.862 I thought, pretty much automatically, based on how people were behaving, 0:26:37.982 --> 0:26:39.342 that she was gone. 0:26:40.382 --> 0:26:43.142 Clint to notice some odd things around the ranch too, 0:26:44.302 --> 0:26:46.422 things Harper hadn't mentioned to me. 0:26:47.222 --> 0:26:50.822 The second story balcony door was kicked in from the outside, 0:26:51.142 --> 0:26:55.542 and there was trim splintered trim throughout her master bedroom. 0:26:56.182 --> 0:27:00.022 That was the only sign of forced entry that I saw. 0:27:01.822 --> 0:27:07.302 I also saw a bunch of notes around the room 0:27:07.582 --> 0:27:09.502 that kind of were very repetive. 0:27:09.742 --> 0:27:10.502 In what they said. 0:27:11.262 --> 0:27:14.862 I don't particularly want to go into the specifics of that, 0:27:15.062 --> 0:27:19.782 because the investigator said that, you know, that's information they 0:27:19.822 --> 0:27:20.902 don't really want to reveal. 0:27:21.822 --> 0:27:23.782 But they were in your mother's handwriting. 0:27:24.462 --> 0:27:29.702 They were in my mother's handwriting, written multiple times over 0:27:29.782 --> 0:27:34.662 and over basically the same message. And also amongst those papers, 0:27:34.742 --> 0:27:36.662 there was a piece of paper that said that she 0:27:36.742 --> 0:27:37.542 feared for her life. 0:27:43.982 --> 0:27:48.662 So in the months after DIA's disappearance, Clinton not only 0:27:48.782 --> 0:27:54.382 hires a private investigator, he tries playing detective himself. He 0:27:54.502 --> 0:27:57.102 starts calling up all these people who lived in Idle 0:27:57.182 --> 0:28:02.222 World and questioning them in great detail. He compiles a 0:28:02.382 --> 0:28:06.382 cache of recordings and documents they will later send to me, 0:28:07.422 --> 0:28:10.222 and he starts developing his own thingies of what happened. 0:28:10.862 --> 0:28:15.222 For example, he believes that Harper was in a relationship 0:28:15.782 --> 0:28:20.622 with DEA's friend, Diana Feedder, and that they worked together 0:28:21.302 --> 0:28:22.582 to make dear disappear. 0:28:24.902 --> 0:28:29.702