Speaker 1: Pushkin last time on Wednesday.
Speaker 2: From the outside looking in, she had the perfect life.
Speaker 3: She got this money thing where it was everything everything
Speaker 3: to her, and it just created a monster.
Speaker 4: We were so on Harper the place, and we took
Speaker 4: them down the road and looked, and he just thought
Speaker 4: dollar science.
Speaker 5: She turned to me and she said, if anything ever
Speaker 5: happens to me, Clinton did it.
Speaker 6: In the aftermath of DEA's disappearance, Keith Harper wrote letters
Speaker 6: to local police the Riverside County Sheriff. He was trying
Speaker 6: to persuade them to keep looking for her. And he
Speaker 6: also tried something unexpected or at least surprising to me
Speaker 6: for a guy like Harper. He caught up psychics across
Speaker 6: the country to try and persuade them to.
Speaker 1: Look for Dea.
Speaker 6: Yes, psychics, and that's how a guy called Kelly Snyder
Speaker 6: got pulled into all of this.
Speaker 4: Keith Harper, who stated he was the fiance of Dea,
Speaker 4: contacted our organization. I believe it was in February or
Speaker 4: March of twenty twenty one, which was about eight months
Speaker 4: after Dia went missing.
Speaker 6: Kelly worked for the DEEA, the Drug Enforcement Administration for
Speaker 6: two decades, but now he runs a missing person's nonprofit
Speaker 6: called find Me. They mostly work on cold cases and
Speaker 6: they try to find people who've been missing for years,
Speaker 6: sometimes decades. They have search teams, divers, cadaver dogs, the works.
Speaker 6: Oh and they also work with all kinds of psychics.
Speaker 7: Almost all of them have the clairvoyant and the clare statient,
Speaker 7: you know, all the c and then some of them
Speaker 7: are mediums so they're actually able to talk to the
Speaker 7: dead person.
Speaker 8: Then we have remote viewers.
Speaker 6: Kelly says they've had a lot of success using his
Speaker 6: team of around one hundred psychics who live all over
Speaker 6: the world. He tells me they've helped solve one hundred
Speaker 6: and twenty one cases, and it seems like they've gotten
Speaker 6: some attention over the years. Bruce Willis once attended a
Speaker 6: find Me fundraiser.
Speaker 7: I think I've only had two people currently in the
Speaker 7: group that do channeling.
Speaker 6: But anyway to how Kelly got dragged into all of this,
Speaker 6: Harper had reached out asking for help.
Speaker 4: And he asked us to investigate it using our methodologies,
Speaker 4: and unbeknownst to me at the time, he was already
Speaker 4: contacting various psychics around the country.
Speaker 6: Was his behavior kind of normal for someone in his situation.
Speaker 4: Actually, he was an incredible pain in the ass. He
Speaker 4: would constantly call me, constantly text me, when do you
Speaker 4: think you might be able to do this? And what
Speaker 4: kind of information are you getting? Is the dead? Is
Speaker 4: Dea alive? This kind of crapple.
Speaker 6: Harper was convinced that Kelly, with his crew of psychics,
Speaker 6: could uncover what happened to Dea. Before Kelly decided whether
Speaker 6: to get involved, he called Riverside Sheriff's Department. He always
Speaker 6: contacts local law enforcement before taking on a case. He
Speaker 6: wanted to know if they'd be interested in receiving any
Speaker 6: information he might find. Kelly says he spoke to a
Speaker 6: Riverside sergeant.
Speaker 4: They were and he immediately started telling me that Keith
Speaker 4: Harper was one of the people that they had as
Speaker 4: a person of interest. And he said, there are others
Speaker 4: that I will not name to you, but since Keith
Speaker 4: is asking for your help, I wanted you to know
Speaker 4: that he is a person of interest in the case.
Speaker 6: By the way, the cops wouldn't confirm that with me.
Speaker 6: They also won't share names of official suspects, but Harper
Speaker 6: did tell me that they've questioned him multiple times After
Speaker 6: his call with the sergeant, Kelly brought up what he'd
Speaker 6: learned with Harper and he.
Speaker 4: Said, yes, I'm aware that I am a person of
Speaker 4: interest and I'm probably their primary suspect. And I said
Speaker 4: why do you say that, and he goes, well, shortly
Speaker 4: after Dia went missing, I had to go out of town.
Speaker 4: And that raised a lot of eyebrows. And I said, well,
Speaker 4: when did you leave? And he said it was about
Speaker 4: two and a half days after she went missing. And
Speaker 4: originally he told me he had something that he had
Speaker 4: to do in New Mexico and here in Arizona, but
Speaker 4: I forget what he told me he had to do.
Speaker 4: And then I said, well, why couldn't you postpone it?
Speaker 4: And he said one of the reasons I had to
Speaker 4: go out of town was I had to report to
Speaker 4: my probation officer.
Speaker 6: And there's that probation story again. You might remember from
Speaker 6: our first episode. A friend of DearS also said that
Speaker 6: Harper talked about leaving town with Deer's dog Ruby to
Speaker 6: check in with a probation officer. Harper denies saying that, though,
Speaker 6: and still insists to me that he was heading to
Speaker 6: Arizona to pay a tax Bill, What were some of
Speaker 6: your thoughts at the beginning of all this towards Keith
Speaker 6: and towards what might have happened.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean I originally I just had him
Speaker 4: labeled somewhere in the seventy five to ninety range as
Speaker 4: far as being guilty, and he had every reason to
Speaker 4: harm her, but so did Chrissara and Clinton, just because
Speaker 4: so much money's involved.
Speaker 6: Clinton and Kassara de as children.
Speaker 4: So that's always been on my mind, and I've talked
Speaker 4: touring numerous times about it, confronted him on numerous occasions,
Speaker 4: and I just get the feeling that he knows a
Speaker 4: little bit more than he's trying to share with me.
Speaker 4: But then I don't, I don't have that eighty ninety
Speaker 4: percent feeling anymore. If anything, he's probably fifty percent involved
Speaker 4: in some capacity. But you know, all three of them
Speaker 4: have a reason to have her deceased. They're going to
Speaker 4: be incredibly wealthy.
Speaker 6: You might remember, just two weeks before Deer went missing,
Speaker 6: she revised the details of her trust. She put Keith
Speaker 6: Harper and her friend Diana Fetta in charge should anything
Speaker 6: happen to her. That meant the ranch, her assets, everything
Speaker 6: she owned was legally in their hands. So while Harper
Speaker 6: was hounding Kelly, the cops and all those psychics, Clinton
Speaker 6: mounted his own search. He recruited lawyers to fight Harper
Speaker 6: and Diana in court, and he hired private investigators to
Speaker 6: start digging. And so too camps form Clinton with his
Speaker 6: team of lawyers and private investigators, and Harper with all
Speaker 6: his efforts to get people like Kelly and the psychics
Speaker 6: to help. Both men racing to pin DEA's disappearance on
Speaker 6: each other.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's so many unknowns and ups and downs in this,
Speaker 4: and it literally all surrounds the fact that she was
Speaker 4: so wealthy. Money talks and bullshit walks.
Speaker 6: I'm Lucy Sheriff, and this is Where's Deer? Episode three
Speaker 6: Inside Information. When I first get in touch with Harper
Speaker 6: a few months after Dear's disappearance, he bounces all these
Speaker 6: theories off me of what might have happened. But after
Speaker 6: a while he whittles the theories down to two main possibilities.
Speaker 8: She either taken or she leaves on our court.
Speaker 9: If she was taken, you now, she shins over and
Speaker 9: over over and over again to me and others that
Speaker 9: if I disappear and if my son's doing.
Speaker 6: He's convinced that in either scenario, it all leads back
Speaker 6: to Clinton. If deer ran away, it was because she
Speaker 6: was scared of him, and if she was kidnapped, it
Speaker 6: was on Clinton's orders. And then at some point Harper
Speaker 6: even starts to believe he's in danger.
Speaker 10: I've always still at risk at all the time. They
Speaker 10: you can die if they did, I just.
Speaker 6: So.
Speaker 11: And when you say when you say they, you're talking
Speaker 11: about her family, Yes, okay.
Speaker 6: He goes back and forth between these two theories, between
Speaker 6: wanting to believe dear is still alive and having this
Speaker 6: hunch that's something terrible has happened to her. It can
Speaker 6: get a little confusing.
Speaker 3: So who's I don't want it, not trying to lead
Speaker 3: in the wrong world, But I'm going through a logical explanation.
Speaker 6: As time goes on, Harper's search intensifies, and so do
Speaker 6: his calls to me. These are just some of the
Speaker 6: voice fails he left me.
Speaker 7: Anyway, this story is getting ready to blow wide open.
Speaker 8: If you want some information.
Speaker 1: We can talk somewhere.
Speaker 6: In all of the conversations, I realized he was becoming
Speaker 6: quite the regular presence in my life. Just checking in
Speaker 6: with you, and I was starting to feel a little
Speaker 6: uncomfortable with that he catches me while I'm out driving,
Speaker 6: cooking dinner, or out with my friends.
Speaker 12: Thank you for all the service that you do, and
Speaker 12: keep ling and you're dead.
Speaker 8: Thanks why?
Speaker 6: Oh, and he thinks my name is Lacy, despite my
Speaker 6: repeated attempts to correct him.
Speaker 8: Give me your name one more time so I can
Speaker 8: put a name with a number.
Speaker 1: My first name is Lucy, l U see why.
Speaker 6: And my surname is Sheriff, like the cop, but with
Speaker 6: two r's and two shy. He never got it, and
Speaker 6: he still calls me Lacy. At one point, the calls
Speaker 6: got so bad that I had to take a break.
Speaker 8: A Harber.
Speaker 13: Just starting a test BASI, you said it'd be about
Speaker 13: ten days before you got back.
Speaker 8: I'll try to call you maybe later in this afternoon.
Speaker 6: Remember how Kelly said Harper was really persistent. Yeah, I
Speaker 6: knew exactly what he meant. It felt like Harper was
Speaker 6: trying to pull me in as a teammate an ally.
Speaker 13: I think the kind of the idea that you're too
Speaker 13: busy for this story. If that's true, let me know
Speaker 13: and we'll see. What are you to correcommend somebody, but
Speaker 13: veins are starting to happen. I'll bet I need you
Speaker 13: onboard for.
Speaker 1: It all got to be too much.
Speaker 6: I didn't speak to him for a good few months,
Speaker 6: and to be honest, it was great to have a break.
Speaker 6: But then I got this nagging feeling like I had
Speaker 6: to find a way to finished the story. And there
Speaker 6: was something else that happened, which be warned, is a
Speaker 6: little la woo woo and definitely not.
Speaker 1: Very British of me.
Speaker 6: I often have incredibly detailed, insightful dreams, and I had
Speaker 6: one of those dreams. I was hiking on a narrow
Speaker 6: switchback path, ducking under branches, heading towards the mountains. It
Speaker 6: was sunny and I felt at peace, and then I
Speaker 6: heard a voice, a male voice, and it said, just.
Speaker 1: One thing, find dear, And then I woke up. The
Speaker 1: next day.
Speaker 6: I took a deep breath, picked up my phone and
Speaker 6: I dialed Harper's number.
Speaker 1: Thank you, how are you?
Speaker 8: Oh God, Spenna? Hell of a rats?
Speaker 1: For a year, a lot had happened since we last spoke.
Speaker 8: They have now almost pinpoint where she is.
Speaker 10: What sat.
Speaker 1: Do they think she's alive?
Speaker 8: Now? They blease steps, They believe that they believe that
Speaker 8: she was correct.
Speaker 11: And why do they think that, Well.
Speaker 3: Uh, hey, they just have some inside information that they're
Speaker 3: the ones.
Speaker 6: I'm going to pause here for a minute and talk
Speaker 6: about this inside information, which came from Kelly's psychics. After
Speaker 6: Kelly finally agreed to help Harper, he put his psychics
Speaker 6: on the case. Oh and by the way, Kelly doesn't
Speaker 6: get paid by Harper or the cops. Anyway, Kelly sent
Speaker 6: an email to his entire network, all one hundred or
Speaker 6: so of them, asking who was interested in helping, and
Speaker 6: he gave them some basic information.
Speaker 7: Every time we receive a missing person case like THEND
Speaker 7: them a photograph, the address or GPS coordinates the last
Speaker 7: place the person was seen, and then I say, what happened,
Speaker 7: what are the circumstances surrounding the disappearance, and where is
Speaker 7: that person right now?
Speaker 6: I just want to say, I've lived in LA for
Speaker 6: long enough now to just accept that this guy, this
Speaker 6: x DEA agent who is a gruff, meat and potatoes
Speaker 6: kind of guy, uses psychics to find missing people. Generally speaking,
Speaker 6: it's hard to say how seriously law enforcement takes psychic information.
Speaker 6: A lot of departments categorically say they don't use them.
Speaker 6: But I did find a rather amusing report from the
Speaker 6: California Department of Justice. It's old, it was published in
Speaker 6: the nineties, but it shares some tips on how law
Speaker 6: enforcement could use psychics, and it refers to officers who
Speaker 6: said psychics quote provided them with otherwise unknown information and
Speaker 6: that in some cases quote, missing bodies were discovered in
Speaker 6: areas described by the psychic.
Speaker 1: So there's that. But back to Kelly.
Speaker 6: After he wrote to his psychic network, more than half
Speaker 6: responded saying they had information about Dea.
Speaker 1: So where do you think dear is.
Speaker 8: Here? Asking the question dead or alive to de Seed.
Speaker 6: This is the first time I've heard someone definitively say
Speaker 6: they think Dea is dead. And yes, I know this
Speaker 6: information is coming from a team of psychics, but Kelly
Speaker 6: takes it at face value. And just to be clear,
Speaker 6: the psychics don't receive names from Kelly of any possible suspects,
Speaker 6: and they're told not to confer with each other either.
Speaker 6: The psychics who responded to Kelly's call out shared information
Speaker 6: about who they thought was responsible for DEA's death. Thirteen
Speaker 6: of them said Dea had been abducted and killed by
Speaker 6: her boyfriend, husband or significant other. A handful said her
Speaker 6: son was responsible. And then curiously, there was another theory
Speaker 6: that there was a trio of individuals, two men and
Speaker 6: a woman who were involved in her death. This theory
Speaker 6: stuck out to Kelly because it came from four of
Speaker 6: his mediums, who he says can be especially accurate. Quick reminder,
Speaker 6: a medium is someone who can speak to the dead.
Speaker 7: They were all saying the same thing independently, which was
Speaker 7: that she was murdered. She was murdered by three people
Speaker 7: through males and a female.
Speaker 8: She was taken and you know, killed and buried, and
Speaker 8: basically that was it.
Speaker 6: Some of the psychics also shared specific coordinates of where
Speaker 6: they thought DEA's body could be buried. One coordinate was
Speaker 6: on DEA's ranch, two were nearby in Lake Hemmett, a
Speaker 6: large reservoir in the mountains, and a fourth option was
Speaker 6: in the middle of nowhere in the Arizona Desert. Kelly
Speaker 6: writes all this up and shares his report with the
Speaker 6: Sheriff's department. He won't send the full thing to me,
Speaker 6: he says it's confidential and could jeopardize the case. But remember,
Speaker 6: this isn't necessarily just all woo woo nonsense. Kelly's psychics
Speaker 6: have actually helped find missing people, at least according to
Speaker 6: the testimonies on fime's website. The fact that there were
Speaker 6: other people who could be responsible for Deer's disappearance was
Speaker 6: just wild to me. That meant there's a chance that
Speaker 6: Harper might be telling the truth, which would track with
Speaker 6: the fact that he's asked so many people for help,
Speaker 6: police detectives, psychics around the country, another missing person's organization.
Speaker 6: Why would someone reach out to so many people if
Speaker 6: they had something to hide?
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, And that's probably the most puzzling thing is
Speaker 4: if you're guilty, you can still pret that you care
Speaker 4: and pretend that you're, you know, trying to find out
Speaker 4: where she is, even though you know where she is
Speaker 4: because you're the one that killed her and buried her.
Speaker 4: But why keep going to different people?
Speaker 8: It's not just me.
Speaker 6: The moment the psychic's weigh in seems to be the
Speaker 6: point that Harper gives up hope Dear is alive. He
Speaker 6: uses some of the details from Kelly's report to further
Speaker 6: back up his theory that Clinton is involved, and he
Speaker 6: never ever sways from that.
Speaker 1: Conviction.
Speaker 3: They have a lot of information about what may have
Speaker 3: gone down ah and who may be responsible for.
Speaker 6: Harper actually starts talking about all of this as the truth.
Speaker 6: And it's so crazy for me to watch him go
Speaker 6: through this process of not knowing and stumbling around in
Speaker 6: the dark with all these different theories. So then grasping
Speaker 6: onto this vague information that's fed to him by psychics
Speaker 6: and holding onto it as a pure, hard fact, as
Speaker 6: the ultimate truth. He confused me at first until I
Speaker 6: understood what was happening.
Speaker 8: You looked at how she's killed and how he's been placed.
Speaker 14: That's a that's a professional kill. That's not somebody her know,
Speaker 14: and Kane bearing and extensively scared the hyder.
Speaker 1: Wait, who are you talking about now, Dieta.
Speaker 6: You said, if you if you look at how she's
Speaker 6: been killed.
Speaker 14: If you look at how she has been killed at
Speaker 14: place in the lake, she's been weighted down.
Speaker 8: There's all kinds of evidence to hide her.
Speaker 1: But you don't know for sure that she's.
Speaker 13: Well.
Speaker 8: I don't know. I'm sure she's there, but I think
Speaker 8: we'll find out.
Speaker 6: Harper believes that what Kelly's psychics are coming up with
Speaker 6: is enough to prove his innocence, although to be clear,
Speaker 6: there is no actual evidence, just narratives provided by the psychics.
Speaker 11: I hate to ask you this, but if they do
Speaker 11: find her and she's not alive, do you anticipate the
Speaker 11: police coming to question you again?
Speaker 12: You know, I think what Kelly has accumulated that it
Speaker 12: points away from me and points towards.
Speaker 8: The other side.
Speaker 6: After Kelly sent his report to the cops, Harper was
Speaker 6: texting and calling me excitedly. He was convinced they were
Speaker 6: going to find Deer's body imminently, but it would be
Speaker 6: months before the cops acted.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back.
Speaker 6: While Harper is out consulting psychics. Clinton has a more
Speaker 6: grounded approach on that weekend in June twenty twenty, when
Speaker 6: he got a call from one of DEA's neighbors to
Speaker 6: say his mother was missing, he sprung into action right away.
Speaker 8: She said, Diaz missing.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm really really worried that something happened to her,
Speaker 2: that that Harper or somebody else harmed her in some way, and.
Speaker 8: You know, you got to come up here right now.
Speaker 6: He immediately went into high alert mode, even if he
Speaker 6: still wasn't really sure what was going on.
Speaker 2: I didn't know if you know, this was being blown
Speaker 2: out of proportion or understated, or if she had had
Speaker 2: a migraine and was you know, got a hotel somewhere,
Speaker 2: or if she had been murdered, or just kind of
Speaker 2: Fogle war type of situation.
Speaker 6: To Clinton, it didn't matter that he didn't know all
Speaker 6: the details. He felt he was going into battle and
Speaker 6: he was going to take precautions.
Speaker 2: What I did was I immediately called a private investigation
Speaker 2: company and I paid the deposit right there for.
Speaker 6: Dogs, dogs as in search dogs.
Speaker 2: I don't know the precise terminology, the proper nomenclature for
Speaker 2: these type of dogs, but essentially kadab or dogs or
Speaker 2: bloodhouse dogs or you know, some type of dog that
Speaker 2: could find her.
Speaker 6: Harper had been with DEA for at least two years,
Speaker 6: but Clinton says he'd never met him despite this. On
Speaker 6: his way up to the ranch, Clinton says, he calls Harper.
Speaker 2: But I did get to, you know, instill a little
Speaker 2: fear into him, and I told him to bring me
Speaker 2: some clothes that Dia had worn recently, so that the
Speaker 2: dogs had to send a reference scent to go off of.
Speaker 6: Clinton arrived at the ranch and almost immediately he said,
Speaker 6: any hope he had that Dea maybe alive vanished because
Speaker 6: he felt like Harper was acting suspiciously.
Speaker 2: You said some weird stuff about you know, if you
Speaker 2: go up the hill and you find a corpse, you know,
Speaker 2: don't touch it because it might be a crime scene
Speaker 2: or some such very strange commentary.
Speaker 6: Did you think that there was any chance that Dea
Speaker 6: had left on her own?
Speaker 8: I did not.
Speaker 2: I thought, pretty much automatically, based on how people were behaving,
Speaker 2: that she was gone.
Speaker 6: Clint to notice some odd things around the ranch too,
Speaker 6: things Harper hadn't mentioned to me.
Speaker 2: The second story balcony door was kicked in from the outside,
Speaker 2: and there was trim splintered trim throughout her master bedroom.
Speaker 2: That was the only sign of forced entry that I saw.
Speaker 2: I also saw a bunch of notes around the room
Speaker 2: that kind of were very repetive.
Speaker 8: In what they said.
Speaker 2: I don't particularly want to go into the specifics of that,
Speaker 2: because the investigator said that, you know, that's information they
Speaker 2: don't really want to reveal.
Speaker 1: But they were in your mother's handwriting.
Speaker 2: They were in my mother's handwriting, written multiple times over
Speaker 2: and over basically the same message. And also amongst those papers,
Speaker 2: there was a piece of paper that said that she
Speaker 2: feared for her life.
Speaker 6: So in the months after DIA's disappearance, Clinton not only
Speaker 6: hires a private investigator, he tries playing detective himself. He
Speaker 6: starts calling up all these people who lived in Idle
Speaker 6: World and questioning them in great detail. He compiles a
Speaker 6: cache of recordings and documents they will later send to me,
Speaker 6: and he starts developing his own thingies of what happened.
Speaker 6: For example, he believes that Harper was in a relationship
Speaker 6: with DEA's friend, Diana Feedder, and that they worked together
Speaker 6: to make dear disappear.
Speaker 2: Harper would call Feedder Die you know, short for Diane, obviously,
Speaker 2: but you know it's a very It was if they
Speaker 2: had known each other for years.
Speaker 6: Harper and Diana adamantly deny all of these accusations, and
Speaker 6: Diana said she'd only met Harper a couple of times
Speaker 6: before Deer went missing. Clinton's PI turns up something else,
Speaker 6: something noteworthy. When Harper traveled to New Mexico and his
Speaker 6: r V two days after Dea disappeared, he used his
Speaker 6: cell phone to make calls. Clinton's PI told me that
Speaker 6: he managed to track down the cell phone towers that
Speaker 6: Harper's phone pinged off, and they showed Harper in the
Speaker 6: middle of Arizona, not too far from one of those
Speaker 6: coordinates that Kelly's psychics had pinpointed. While all of this
Speaker 6: is going on, Clinton and his sister Krasara are moving
Speaker 6: forward with a lawsuit.
Speaker 1: They filed.
Speaker 6: They want Harper kicked off the ranch, and they want
Speaker 6: him and Diana removed as trustees of DEA's estate.
Speaker 2: We were pushing ardently to have and removed as trustee
Speaker 2: because to me, and to my sister and to everybody,
Speaker 2: we felt that it was quite obvious that he had
Speaker 2: some involvement in DEA's disappearance.
Speaker 6: In their court case, the kids claim Harper isn't taking
Speaker 6: proper care of the ranch, he isn't being a good trustee.
Speaker 6: For one, they say that Harper was pouring concrete over
Speaker 6: the ranch to create an RV park, and they accus
Speaker 6: Harper of not taking care of DEA's beloved animals.
Speaker 2: And he was allowing the animals to get eaten either
Speaker 2: by mountain lions, or they would be hit by a car,
Speaker 2: or they would magically disappear.
Speaker 1: And what would that have meant your mother.
Speaker 2: If she would have been devastated, and I mean it's
Speaker 2: impossible to describe how she would have felt.
Speaker 6: Clinton and Krassara's lawsuit drags on for years, by the way,
Speaker 6: with Harper and Diana maintaining their innocence. Diana actually removes
Speaker 6: herself as trustee and relocates to Georgia. When Harper isn't
Speaker 6: dealing with court summons from Clinton, he's hounding the police.
Speaker 6: He even addresses a letter to the sheriff of Riverside
Speaker 6: County complaining about their incompetence and urging them to keep
Speaker 6: searching for Deer. He's also completely fixated by Kelly Snyder's psychics.
Speaker 6: Kelly focuses on one of the psychic's coordinates. In particular,
Speaker 6: he thinks Deer's body was dumped in Lake Hemmitt, and
Speaker 6: if Kelly believes it, you can bet Harper believes it too.
Speaker 6: Harper pushes the cops hard to act on Kelly's report
Speaker 6: and search Lake Hemmett, and finally.
Speaker 1: In November of twenty twenty one, three months.
Speaker 6: After Kelly files his report, Alberto Lorero, the lead investigator
Speaker 6: on the case, sends out divers to search the lake
Speaker 6: with sonar equipment.
Speaker 1: Harper watches the entire thing.
Speaker 8: I just watched the lake. When they showed up, I
Speaker 8: went and took pictures of all of it.
Speaker 12: And then at the end, Lorero comes to me, takes
Speaker 12: my camera, reaches in and takes the card out and says,
Speaker 12: we're keeping this is evident.
Speaker 8: Why would he do that. I had the right to
Speaker 8: take pictures and I was not interfering with anything they
Speaker 8: were doing.
Speaker 6: This whole scene is just so utterly bizarre. Harper camped
Speaker 6: out somewhere on the shores of this lake there's used
Speaker 6: for normal activities like hiking and boating, snapping away with
Speaker 6: his camera, and the cops confiscating his SD card just what.
Speaker 6: I asked the Riverside Sheriff's department about all of this,
Speaker 6: but they didn't respond. And after all of that, the
Speaker 6: divers don't find anything.
Speaker 5: And that's when I called Kelly and I said, Kelly,
Speaker 5: they didn't find it. I'm confused. And later on that
Speaker 5: they believed that she was made note.
Speaker 8: Just prior to the.
Speaker 6: Search, Harper and Kelly come up with this new theory
Speaker 6: that Deer's body was in Lake Hemmytt. But somehow the
Speaker 6: information from Kelly's report was leaked from the Sheriff's department,
Speaker 6: and they think that in that three month period between
Speaker 6: Kelly filing his report and the cop searching the lake,
Speaker 6: the killer came and moved Dear's body. The speculation just
Speaker 6: seems to grow wilder and wilder. Dredging a body from
Speaker 6: a lake and moving it. I don't know, it just
Speaker 6: doesn't feel that likely to me. And then there's Clinton's
Speaker 6: theories that Diana and Harper were in a relationship and
Speaker 6: they're both involved, And again I find myself wondering how
Speaker 6: both sides could be so adamant that their version of
Speaker 6: events is the truth, because they can't both be right.
Speaker 6: By this point, I'd gone down to San Diego to
Speaker 6: meet with Clinton face to face, and it only seemed
Speaker 6: right that I do the same with Harper Io. Plus,
Speaker 6: I was pretty curious to see beneath a Vista ranch
Speaker 6: for myself. Harper have been telling me all about it,
Speaker 6: including about numerous security cameras around the property and where
Speaker 6: they were positioned.
Speaker 8: You know, I'm not opposed to him.
Speaker 6: And you come back to the ranch yin Oh that
Speaker 6: would be great, actually, because then I can kind of
Speaker 6: really get an idea of the layout run and what's around?
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know what, I'll take you upstairs and show
Speaker 8: you the cameras. How how they do not see what
Speaker 8: happens is beyond me and lie.
Speaker 6: So I'm planning this trip against my boyfriend's advice. And
Speaker 6: then I get an email. It's a Google alert that
Speaker 6: I'd set.
Speaker 1: Up on Deer's name.
Speaker 6: It was a link to a news story on CBS.
Speaker 7: Forty six year old Jody Nukirk died on the Benita
Speaker 7: Vista Ranch near Idlewild just after her sunset on December
Speaker 7: twenty third, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 6: Someone a woman had been found dead on DEA's ranch.
Speaker 6: Next time on Weds Dear.
Speaker 15: You can pretty much just take out a sharpie and
Speaker 15: just cross out every year thing, he says Lake. Literally,
Speaker 15: he just he's allergic to the truth.
Speaker 6: Where's Dear is written and hosted by me Lucy Sherriff.
Speaker 6: Our producer is Daphne Chen, editing by Karen Shakerji, production
Speaker 6: assistance from Joey Fish, ground fact checking by Lauren Vespoli.
Speaker 6: Our executive producer is Jacob Smith. Original score, sound design
Speaker 6: and mastering by Echo Shaw's. Where's Deer is a co
Speaker 6: production of Pushkin Industries. And iHeartMedia. Where's Deer was originally
Speaker 6: developed with Truly*Adventurous.