1 00:00:15,422 --> 00:00:28,262 Speaker 1: Pushkin last time on Wednesday. 2 00:00:28,942 --> 00:00:31,582 Speaker 2: From the outside looking in, she had the perfect life. 3 00:00:31,742 --> 00:00:36,622 Speaker 3: She got this money thing where it was everything everything 4 00:00:36,662 --> 00:00:40,502 Speaker 3: to her, and it just created a monster. 5 00:00:40,822 --> 00:00:42,702 Speaker 4: We were so on Harper the place, and we took 6 00:00:42,742 --> 00:00:45,942 Speaker 4: them down the road and looked, and he just thought 7 00:00:45,942 --> 00:00:46,702 Speaker 4: dollar science. 8 00:00:47,062 --> 00:00:51,022 Speaker 5: She turned to me and she said, if anything ever 9 00:00:51,502 --> 00:00:54,222 Speaker 5: happens to me, Clinton did it. 10 00:01:09,262 --> 00:01:13,422 Speaker 6: In the aftermath of DEA's disappearance, Keith Harper wrote letters 11 00:01:13,462 --> 00:01:17,662 Speaker 6: to local police the Riverside County Sheriff. He was trying 12 00:01:17,702 --> 00:01:21,702 Speaker 6: to persuade them to keep looking for her. And he 13 00:01:21,782 --> 00:01:26,702 Speaker 6: also tried something unexpected or at least surprising to me 14 00:01:27,262 --> 00:01:31,142 Speaker 6: for a guy like Harper. He caught up psychics across 15 00:01:31,182 --> 00:01:33,662 Speaker 6: the country to try and persuade them to. 16 00:01:33,622 --> 00:01:34,222 Speaker 1: Look for Dea. 17 00:01:35,222 --> 00:01:39,982 Speaker 6: Yes, psychics, and that's how a guy called Kelly Snyder 18 00:01:40,142 --> 00:01:41,542 Speaker 6: got pulled into all of this. 19 00:01:42,422 --> 00:01:46,902 Speaker 4: Keith Harper, who stated he was the fiance of Dea, 20 00:01:47,742 --> 00:01:52,502 Speaker 4: contacted our organization. I believe it was in February or 21 00:01:52,582 --> 00:01:57,262 Speaker 4: March of twenty twenty one, which was about eight months 22 00:01:57,302 --> 00:01:58,662 Speaker 4: after Dia went missing. 23 00:01:59,702 --> 00:02:03,702 Speaker 6: Kelly worked for the DEEA, the Drug Enforcement Administration for 24 00:02:03,782 --> 00:02:08,262 Speaker 6: two decades, but now he runs a missing person's nonprofit 25 00:02:08,342 --> 00:02:12,062 Speaker 6: called find Me. They mostly work on cold cases and 26 00:02:12,102 --> 00:02:14,662 Speaker 6: they try to find people who've been missing for years, 27 00:02:15,182 --> 00:02:21,942 Speaker 6: sometimes decades. They have search teams, divers, cadaver dogs, the works. 28 00:02:22,582 --> 00:02:29,582 Speaker 6: Oh and they also work with all kinds of psychics. 29 00:02:30,942 --> 00:02:34,782 Speaker 7: Almost all of them have the clairvoyant and the clare statient, 30 00:02:34,942 --> 00:02:37,382 Speaker 7: you know, all the c and then some of them 31 00:02:37,422 --> 00:02:40,942 Speaker 7: are mediums so they're actually able to talk to the 32 00:02:41,022 --> 00:02:41,662 Speaker 7: dead person. 33 00:02:42,022 --> 00:02:43,822 Speaker 8: Then we have remote viewers. 34 00:02:44,182 --> 00:02:47,062 Speaker 6: Kelly says they've had a lot of success using his 35 00:02:47,182 --> 00:02:50,422 Speaker 6: team of around one hundred psychics who live all over 36 00:02:50,462 --> 00:02:54,062 Speaker 6: the world. He tells me they've helped solve one hundred 37 00:02:54,102 --> 00:02:57,022 Speaker 6: and twenty one cases, and it seems like they've gotten 38 00:02:57,102 --> 00:03:01,102 Speaker 6: some attention over the years. Bruce Willis once attended a 39 00:03:01,222 --> 00:03:02,502 Speaker 6: find Me fundraiser. 40 00:03:03,062 --> 00:03:05,542 Speaker 7: I think I've only had two people currently in the 41 00:03:05,582 --> 00:03:06,742 Speaker 7: group that do channeling. 42 00:03:07,742 --> 00:03:10,982 Speaker 6: But anyway to how Kelly got dragged into all of this, 43 00:03:12,182 --> 00:03:14,902 Speaker 6: Harper had reached out asking for help. 44 00:03:19,862 --> 00:03:25,182 Speaker 4: And he asked us to investigate it using our methodologies, 45 00:03:25,222 --> 00:03:29,102 Speaker 4: and unbeknownst to me at the time, he was already 46 00:03:29,142 --> 00:03:32,262 Speaker 4: contacting various psychics around the country. 47 00:03:32,902 --> 00:03:35,822 Speaker 6: Was his behavior kind of normal for someone in his situation. 48 00:03:36,662 --> 00:03:40,862 Speaker 4: Actually, he was an incredible pain in the ass. He 49 00:03:40,902 --> 00:03:45,022 Speaker 4: would constantly call me, constantly text me, when do you 50 00:03:45,022 --> 00:03:47,502 Speaker 4: think you might be able to do this? And what 51 00:03:47,582 --> 00:03:51,342 Speaker 4: kind of information are you getting? Is the dead? Is 52 00:03:51,342 --> 00:03:53,182 Speaker 4: Dea alive? This kind of crapple. 53 00:03:54,502 --> 00:03:57,982 Speaker 6: Harper was convinced that Kelly, with his crew of psychics, 54 00:03:58,422 --> 00:04:03,062 Speaker 6: could uncover what happened to Dea. Before Kelly decided whether 55 00:04:03,102 --> 00:04:07,422 Speaker 6: to get involved, he called Riverside Sheriff's Department. He always 56 00:04:07,462 --> 00:04:11,222 Speaker 6: contacts local law enforcement before taking on a case. He 57 00:04:11,302 --> 00:04:14,262 Speaker 6: wanted to know if they'd be interested in receiving any 58 00:04:14,342 --> 00:04:17,862 Speaker 6: information he might find. Kelly says he spoke to a 59 00:04:17,942 --> 00:04:19,022 Speaker 6: Riverside sergeant. 60 00:04:19,862 --> 00:04:24,822 Speaker 4: They were and he immediately started telling me that Keith 61 00:04:24,862 --> 00:04:27,102 Speaker 4: Harper was one of the people that they had as 62 00:04:27,142 --> 00:04:30,262 Speaker 4: a person of interest. And he said, there are others 63 00:04:30,342 --> 00:04:33,182 Speaker 4: that I will not name to you, but since Keith 64 00:04:33,262 --> 00:04:35,822 Speaker 4: is asking for your help, I wanted you to know 65 00:04:36,382 --> 00:04:39,822 Speaker 4: that he is a person of interest in the case. 66 00:04:42,142 --> 00:04:44,942 Speaker 6: By the way, the cops wouldn't confirm that with me. 67 00:04:45,582 --> 00:04:49,422 Speaker 6: They also won't share names of official suspects, but Harper 68 00:04:49,502 --> 00:04:54,782 Speaker 6: did tell me that they've questioned him multiple times After 69 00:04:54,862 --> 00:04:57,422 Speaker 6: his call with the sergeant, Kelly brought up what he'd 70 00:04:57,502 --> 00:05:00,142 Speaker 6: learned with Harper and he. 71 00:05:00,102 --> 00:05:02,382 Speaker 4: Said, yes, I'm aware that I am a person of 72 00:05:02,462 --> 00:05:08,622 Speaker 4: interest and I'm probably their primary suspect. And I said 73 00:05:08,622 --> 00:05:11,422 Speaker 4: why do you say that, and he goes, well, shortly 74 00:05:11,462 --> 00:05:14,982 Speaker 4: after Dia went missing, I had to go out of town. 75 00:05:15,862 --> 00:05:19,622 Speaker 4: And that raised a lot of eyebrows. And I said, well, 76 00:05:19,742 --> 00:05:21,542 Speaker 4: when did you leave? And he said it was about 77 00:05:21,902 --> 00:05:25,022 Speaker 4: two and a half days after she went missing. And 78 00:05:25,182 --> 00:05:27,502 Speaker 4: originally he told me he had something that he had 79 00:05:27,502 --> 00:05:31,702 Speaker 4: to do in New Mexico and here in Arizona, but 80 00:05:31,742 --> 00:05:33,382 Speaker 4: I forget what he told me he had to do. 81 00:05:33,942 --> 00:05:36,982 Speaker 4: And then I said, well, why couldn't you postpone it? 82 00:05:36,982 --> 00:05:39,462 Speaker 4: And he said one of the reasons I had to 83 00:05:39,542 --> 00:05:42,062 Speaker 4: go out of town was I had to report to 84 00:05:42,102 --> 00:05:43,302 Speaker 4: my probation officer. 85 00:05:44,262 --> 00:05:48,382 Speaker 6: And there's that probation story again. You might remember from 86 00:05:48,422 --> 00:05:51,582 Speaker 6: our first episode. A friend of DearS also said that 87 00:05:51,622 --> 00:05:54,862 Speaker 6: Harper talked about leaving town with Deer's dog Ruby to 88 00:05:54,942 --> 00:05:58,942 Speaker 6: check in with a probation officer. Harper denies saying that, though, 89 00:05:59,302 --> 00:06:01,942 Speaker 6: and still insists to me that he was heading to 90 00:06:02,102 --> 00:06:10,382 Speaker 6: Arizona to pay a tax Bill, What were some of 91 00:06:10,422 --> 00:06:13,862 Speaker 6: your thoughts at the beginning of all this towards Keith 92 00:06:13,942 --> 00:06:15,342 Speaker 6: and towards what might have happened. 93 00:06:16,702 --> 00:06:20,222 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean I originally I just had him 94 00:06:20,502 --> 00:06:24,622 Speaker 4: labeled somewhere in the seventy five to ninety range as 95 00:06:24,622 --> 00:06:29,422 Speaker 4: far as being guilty, and he had every reason to 96 00:06:29,782 --> 00:06:34,822 Speaker 4: harm her, but so did Chrissara and Clinton, just because 97 00:06:34,902 --> 00:06:36,182 Speaker 4: so much money's involved. 98 00:06:36,462 --> 00:06:38,902 Speaker 6: Clinton and Kassara de as children. 99 00:06:39,982 --> 00:06:44,782 Speaker 4: So that's always been on my mind, and I've talked 100 00:06:44,822 --> 00:06:49,142 Speaker 4: touring numerous times about it, confronted him on numerous occasions, 101 00:06:49,182 --> 00:06:53,582 Speaker 4: and I just get the feeling that he knows a 102 00:06:53,622 --> 00:06:55,902 Speaker 4: little bit more than he's trying to share with me. 103 00:06:56,702 --> 00:07:00,742 Speaker 4: But then I don't, I don't have that eighty ninety 104 00:07:00,782 --> 00:07:06,142 Speaker 4: percent feeling anymore. If anything, he's probably fifty percent involved 105 00:07:06,262 --> 00:07:11,022 Speaker 4: in some capacity. But you know, all three of them 106 00:07:11,062 --> 00:07:15,462 Speaker 4: have a reason to have her deceased. They're going to 107 00:07:16,102 --> 00:07:17,382 Speaker 4: be incredibly wealthy. 108 00:07:18,502 --> 00:07:22,062 Speaker 6: You might remember, just two weeks before Deer went missing, 109 00:07:22,502 --> 00:07:25,782 Speaker 6: she revised the details of her trust. She put Keith 110 00:07:25,822 --> 00:07:30,222 Speaker 6: Harper and her friend Diana Fetta in charge should anything 111 00:07:30,262 --> 00:07:34,742 Speaker 6: happen to her. That meant the ranch, her assets, everything 112 00:07:34,822 --> 00:07:46,582 Speaker 6: she owned was legally in their hands. So while Harper 113 00:07:46,702 --> 00:07:50,982 Speaker 6: was hounding Kelly, the cops and all those psychics, Clinton 114 00:07:51,062 --> 00:07:55,542 Speaker 6: mounted his own search. He recruited lawyers to fight Harper 115 00:07:55,582 --> 00:07:59,622 Speaker 6: and Diana in court, and he hired private investigators to 116 00:07:59,742 --> 00:08:05,022 Speaker 6: start digging. And so too camps form Clinton with his 117 00:08:05,062 --> 00:08:09,302 Speaker 6: team of lawyers and private investigators, and Harper with all 118 00:08:09,342 --> 00:08:12,262 Speaker 6: his efforts to get people like Kelly and the psychics 119 00:08:12,262 --> 00:08:17,182 Speaker 6: to help. Both men racing to pin DEA's disappearance on 120 00:08:17,262 --> 00:08:17,742 Speaker 6: each other. 121 00:08:23,662 --> 00:08:27,622 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's so many unknowns and ups and downs in this, 122 00:08:28,502 --> 00:08:31,662 Speaker 4: and it literally all surrounds the fact that she was 123 00:08:31,822 --> 00:08:35,062 Speaker 4: so wealthy. Money talks and bullshit walks. 124 00:08:44,582 --> 00:08:53,302 Speaker 6: I'm Lucy Sheriff, and this is Where's Deer? Episode three 125 00:08:54,182 --> 00:09:11,982 Speaker 6: Inside Information. When I first get in touch with Harper 126 00:09:12,422 --> 00:09:16,182 Speaker 6: a few months after Dear's disappearance, he bounces all these 127 00:09:16,222 --> 00:09:20,382 Speaker 6: theories off me of what might have happened. But after 128 00:09:20,422 --> 00:09:24,942 Speaker 6: a while he whittles the theories down to two main possibilities. 129 00:09:25,942 --> 00:09:30,782 Speaker 8: She either taken or she leaves on our court. 130 00:09:31,182 --> 00:09:35,822 Speaker 9: If she was taken, you now, she shins over and 131 00:09:35,862 --> 00:09:40,302 Speaker 9: over over and over again to me and others that 132 00:09:41,062 --> 00:09:43,502 Speaker 9: if I disappear and if my son's doing. 133 00:09:44,342 --> 00:09:47,782 Speaker 6: He's convinced that in either scenario, it all leads back 134 00:09:47,822 --> 00:09:51,582 Speaker 6: to Clinton. If deer ran away, it was because she 135 00:09:51,702 --> 00:09:54,982 Speaker 6: was scared of him, and if she was kidnapped, it 136 00:09:55,062 --> 00:09:59,422 Speaker 6: was on Clinton's orders. And then at some point Harper 137 00:09:59,462 --> 00:10:01,382 Speaker 6: even starts to believe he's in danger. 138 00:10:02,062 --> 00:10:06,742 Speaker 10: I've always still at risk at all the time. They 139 00:10:09,222 --> 00:10:16,342 Speaker 10: you can die if they did, I just. 140 00:10:16,382 --> 00:10:16,462 Speaker 6: So. 141 00:10:17,142 --> 00:10:19,502 Speaker 11: And when you say when you say they, you're talking 142 00:10:19,542 --> 00:10:22,542 Speaker 11: about her family, Yes, okay. 143 00:10:23,222 --> 00:10:27,502 Speaker 6: He goes back and forth between these two theories, between 144 00:10:27,502 --> 00:10:30,702 Speaker 6: wanting to believe dear is still alive and having this 145 00:10:30,822 --> 00:10:35,382 Speaker 6: hunch that's something terrible has happened to her. It can 146 00:10:35,422 --> 00:10:36,782 Speaker 6: get a little confusing. 147 00:10:37,022 --> 00:10:41,542 Speaker 3: So who's I don't want it, not trying to lead 148 00:10:41,862 --> 00:10:45,542 Speaker 3: in the wrong world, But I'm going through a logical explanation. 149 00:10:50,982 --> 00:10:55,742 Speaker 6: As time goes on, Harper's search intensifies, and so do 150 00:10:55,862 --> 00:10:59,902 Speaker 6: his calls to me. These are just some of the 151 00:10:59,982 --> 00:11:00,982 Speaker 6: voice fails he left me. 152 00:11:01,102 --> 00:11:05,062 Speaker 7: Anyway, this story is getting ready to blow wide open. 153 00:11:05,142 --> 00:11:07,302 Speaker 8: If you want some information. 154 00:11:08,102 --> 00:11:10,182 Speaker 1: We can talk somewhere. 155 00:11:10,182 --> 00:11:13,502 Speaker 6: In all of the conversations, I realized he was becoming 156 00:11:13,582 --> 00:11:18,822 Speaker 6: quite the regular presence in my life. Just checking in 157 00:11:18,902 --> 00:11:21,142 Speaker 6: with you, and I was starting to feel a little 158 00:11:21,262 --> 00:11:24,942 Speaker 6: uncomfortable with that he catches me while I'm out driving, 159 00:11:25,302 --> 00:11:27,782 Speaker 6: cooking dinner, or out with my friends. 160 00:11:27,982 --> 00:11:30,582 Speaker 12: Thank you for all the service that you do, and 161 00:11:30,822 --> 00:11:31,942 Speaker 12: keep ling and you're dead. 162 00:11:32,102 --> 00:11:32,622 Speaker 8: Thanks why? 163 00:11:33,902 --> 00:11:37,222 Speaker 6: Oh, and he thinks my name is Lacy, despite my 164 00:11:37,662 --> 00:11:39,742 Speaker 6: repeated attempts to correct him. 165 00:11:40,102 --> 00:11:41,742 Speaker 8: Give me your name one more time so I can 166 00:11:41,822 --> 00:11:43,182 Speaker 8: put a name with a number. 167 00:11:43,422 --> 00:11:45,702 Speaker 1: My first name is Lucy, l U see why. 168 00:11:46,982 --> 00:11:51,262 Speaker 6: And my surname is Sheriff, like the cop, but with 169 00:11:52,182 --> 00:11:58,102 Speaker 6: two r's and two shy. He never got it, and 170 00:11:58,542 --> 00:12:03,062 Speaker 6: he still calls me Lacy. At one point, the calls 171 00:12:03,102 --> 00:12:05,342 Speaker 6: got so bad that I had to take a break. 172 00:12:05,622 --> 00:12:07,622 Speaker 8: A Harber. 173 00:12:08,982 --> 00:12:11,662 Speaker 13: Just starting a test BASI, you said it'd be about 174 00:12:11,702 --> 00:12:13,142 Speaker 13: ten days before you got back. 175 00:12:13,782 --> 00:12:16,622 Speaker 8: I'll try to call you maybe later in this afternoon. 176 00:12:17,742 --> 00:12:22,182 Speaker 6: Remember how Kelly said Harper was really persistent. Yeah, I 177 00:12:22,262 --> 00:12:25,982 Speaker 6: knew exactly what he meant. It felt like Harper was 178 00:12:26,102 --> 00:12:28,982 Speaker 6: trying to pull me in as a teammate an ally. 179 00:12:30,262 --> 00:12:32,222 Speaker 13: I think the kind of the idea that you're too 180 00:12:32,342 --> 00:12:36,702 Speaker 13: busy for this story. If that's true, let me know 181 00:12:36,942 --> 00:12:40,662 Speaker 13: and we'll see. What are you to correcommend somebody, but 182 00:12:41,342 --> 00:12:44,622 Speaker 13: veins are starting to happen. I'll bet I need you 183 00:12:44,742 --> 00:12:45,422 Speaker 13: onboard for. 184 00:12:55,302 --> 00:12:56,582 Speaker 1: It all got to be too much. 185 00:12:57,422 --> 00:12:59,822 Speaker 6: I didn't speak to him for a good few months, 186 00:13:00,182 --> 00:13:02,302 Speaker 6: and to be honest, it was great to have a break. 187 00:13:04,022 --> 00:13:07,782 Speaker 6: But then I got this nagging feeling like I had 188 00:13:07,982 --> 00:13:12,582 Speaker 6: to find a way to finished the story. And there 189 00:13:12,662 --> 00:13:16,622 Speaker 6: was something else that happened, which be warned, is a 190 00:13:16,742 --> 00:13:19,062 Speaker 6: little la woo woo and definitely not. 191 00:13:19,262 --> 00:13:20,022 Speaker 1: Very British of me. 192 00:13:21,422 --> 00:13:26,062 Speaker 6: I often have incredibly detailed, insightful dreams, and I had 193 00:13:26,142 --> 00:13:35,822 Speaker 6: one of those dreams. I was hiking on a narrow 194 00:13:36,022 --> 00:13:42,622 Speaker 6: switchback path, ducking under branches, heading towards the mountains. It 195 00:13:42,782 --> 00:13:47,462 Speaker 6: was sunny and I felt at peace, and then I 196 00:13:47,542 --> 00:13:51,622 Speaker 6: heard a voice, a male voice, and it said, just. 197 00:13:51,822 --> 00:14:06,222 Speaker 1: One thing, find dear, And then I woke up. The 198 00:14:06,302 --> 00:14:06,782 Speaker 1: next day. 199 00:14:07,302 --> 00:14:09,862 Speaker 6: I took a deep breath, picked up my phone and 200 00:14:09,982 --> 00:14:11,342 Speaker 6: I dialed Harper's number. 201 00:14:15,502 --> 00:14:16,902 Speaker 1: Thank you, how are you? 202 00:14:17,982 --> 00:14:20,342 Speaker 8: Oh God, Spenna? Hell of a rats? 203 00:14:20,382 --> 00:14:23,822 Speaker 1: For a year, a lot had happened since we last spoke. 204 00:14:24,422 --> 00:14:28,462 Speaker 8: They have now almost pinpoint where she is. 205 00:14:29,662 --> 00:14:32,262 Speaker 10: What sat. 206 00:14:33,982 --> 00:14:35,142 Speaker 1: Do they think she's alive? 207 00:14:36,262 --> 00:14:41,742 Speaker 8: Now? They blease steps, They believe that they believe that 208 00:14:41,902 --> 00:14:42,662 Speaker 8: she was correct. 209 00:14:46,862 --> 00:14:52,502 Speaker 11: And why do they think that, Well. 210 00:14:52,742 --> 00:15:00,622 Speaker 3: Uh, hey, they just have some inside information that they're 211 00:15:00,702 --> 00:15:01,222 Speaker 3: the ones. 212 00:15:02,902 --> 00:15:04,982 Speaker 6: I'm going to pause here for a minute and talk 213 00:15:05,062 --> 00:15:12,982 Speaker 6: about this inside information, which came from Kelly's psychics. After 214 00:15:13,102 --> 00:15:16,262 Speaker 6: Kelly finally agreed to help Harper, he put his psychics 215 00:15:16,302 --> 00:15:19,822 Speaker 6: on the case. Oh and by the way, Kelly doesn't 216 00:15:19,822 --> 00:15:24,542 Speaker 6: get paid by Harper or the cops. Anyway, Kelly sent 217 00:15:24,622 --> 00:15:27,422 Speaker 6: an email to his entire network, all one hundred or 218 00:15:27,462 --> 00:15:31,142 Speaker 6: so of them, asking who was interested in helping, and 219 00:15:31,262 --> 00:15:33,342 Speaker 6: he gave them some basic information. 220 00:15:34,382 --> 00:15:38,062 Speaker 7: Every time we receive a missing person case like THEND 221 00:15:38,062 --> 00:15:42,622 Speaker 7: them a photograph, the address or GPS coordinates the last 222 00:15:42,702 --> 00:15:47,342 Speaker 7: place the person was seen, and then I say, what happened, 223 00:15:47,422 --> 00:15:51,222 Speaker 7: what are the circumstances surrounding the disappearance, and where is 224 00:15:51,302 --> 00:15:52,342 Speaker 7: that person right now? 225 00:15:54,342 --> 00:15:57,182 Speaker 6: I just want to say, I've lived in LA for 226 00:15:57,302 --> 00:16:00,102 Speaker 6: long enough now to just accept that this guy, this 227 00:16:00,582 --> 00:16:04,062 Speaker 6: x DEA agent who is a gruff, meat and potatoes 228 00:16:04,182 --> 00:16:09,062 Speaker 6: kind of guy, uses psychics to find missing people. Generally speaking, 229 00:16:09,822 --> 00:16:14,422 Speaker 6: it's hard to say how seriously law enforcement takes psychic information. 230 00:16:15,542 --> 00:16:18,902 Speaker 6: A lot of departments categorically say they don't use them. 231 00:16:19,782 --> 00:16:23,662 Speaker 6: But I did find a rather amusing report from the 232 00:16:23,742 --> 00:16:27,782 Speaker 6: California Department of Justice. It's old, it was published in 233 00:16:27,822 --> 00:16:31,542 Speaker 6: the nineties, but it shares some tips on how law 234 00:16:31,662 --> 00:16:36,582 Speaker 6: enforcement could use psychics, and it refers to officers who 235 00:16:36,662 --> 00:16:42,582 Speaker 6: said psychics quote provided them with otherwise unknown information and 236 00:16:42,662 --> 00:16:47,462 Speaker 6: that in some cases quote, missing bodies were discovered in 237 00:16:47,702 --> 00:16:49,862 Speaker 6: areas described by the psychic. 238 00:16:50,902 --> 00:16:56,422 Speaker 1: So there's that. But back to Kelly. 239 00:16:57,542 --> 00:17:00,822 Speaker 6: After he wrote to his psychic network, more than half 240 00:17:00,942 --> 00:17:03,822 Speaker 6: responded saying they had information about Dea. 241 00:17:04,982 --> 00:17:06,422 Speaker 1: So where do you think dear is. 242 00:17:09,462 --> 00:17:11,942 Speaker 8: Here? Asking the question dead or alive to de Seed. 243 00:17:13,622 --> 00:17:17,462 Speaker 6: This is the first time I've heard someone definitively say 244 00:17:17,622 --> 00:17:21,542 Speaker 6: they think Dea is dead. And yes, I know this 245 00:17:21,702 --> 00:17:25,422 Speaker 6: information is coming from a team of psychics, but Kelly 246 00:17:25,542 --> 00:17:29,702 Speaker 6: takes it at face value. And just to be clear, 247 00:17:30,302 --> 00:17:34,302 Speaker 6: the psychics don't receive names from Kelly of any possible suspects, 248 00:17:34,822 --> 00:17:36,822 Speaker 6: and they're told not to confer with each other either. 249 00:17:38,422 --> 00:17:42,102 Speaker 6: The psychics who responded to Kelly's call out shared information 250 00:17:42,302 --> 00:17:47,022 Speaker 6: about who they thought was responsible for DEA's death. Thirteen 251 00:17:47,102 --> 00:17:50,582 Speaker 6: of them said Dea had been abducted and killed by 252 00:17:50,662 --> 00:17:55,342 Speaker 6: her boyfriend, husband or significant other. A handful said her 253 00:17:55,422 --> 00:18:01,022 Speaker 6: son was responsible. And then curiously, there was another theory 254 00:18:01,822 --> 00:18:05,142 Speaker 6: that there was a trio of individuals, two men and 255 00:18:05,262 --> 00:18:09,582 Speaker 6: a woman who were involved in her death. This theory 256 00:18:09,662 --> 00:18:11,902 Speaker 6: stuck out to Kelly because it came from four of 257 00:18:12,022 --> 00:18:17,662 Speaker 6: his mediums, who he says can be especially accurate. Quick reminder, 258 00:18:18,142 --> 00:18:20,582 Speaker 6: a medium is someone who can speak to the dead. 259 00:18:21,862 --> 00:18:26,262 Speaker 7: They were all saying the same thing independently, which was 260 00:18:27,382 --> 00:18:30,542 Speaker 7: that she was murdered. She was murdered by three people 261 00:18:30,822 --> 00:18:32,262 Speaker 7: through males and a female. 262 00:18:32,942 --> 00:18:39,382 Speaker 8: She was taken and you know, killed and buried, and 263 00:18:40,982 --> 00:18:41,942 Speaker 8: basically that was it. 264 00:18:43,262 --> 00:18:47,142 Speaker 6: Some of the psychics also shared specific coordinates of where 265 00:18:47,262 --> 00:18:50,942 Speaker 6: they thought DEA's body could be buried. One coordinate was 266 00:18:50,982 --> 00:18:55,222 Speaker 6: on DEA's ranch, two were nearby in Lake Hemmett, a 267 00:18:55,382 --> 00:18:59,702 Speaker 6: large reservoir in the mountains, and a fourth option was 268 00:18:59,782 --> 00:19:07,622 Speaker 6: in the middle of nowhere in the Arizona Desert. Kelly 269 00:19:07,702 --> 00:19:10,182 Speaker 6: writes all this up and shares his report with the 270 00:19:10,262 --> 00:19:13,262 Speaker 6: Sheriff's department. He won't send the full thing to me, 271 00:19:13,782 --> 00:19:18,142 Speaker 6: he says it's confidential and could jeopardize the case. But remember, 272 00:19:18,782 --> 00:19:23,702 Speaker 6: this isn't necessarily just all woo woo nonsense. Kelly's psychics 273 00:19:23,742 --> 00:19:27,622 Speaker 6: have actually helped find missing people, at least according to 274 00:19:27,702 --> 00:19:31,662 Speaker 6: the testimonies on fime's website. The fact that there were 275 00:19:31,742 --> 00:19:36,222 Speaker 6: other people who could be responsible for Deer's disappearance was 276 00:19:36,382 --> 00:19:41,062 Speaker 6: just wild to me. That meant there's a chance that 277 00:19:41,222 --> 00:19:44,582 Speaker 6: Harper might be telling the truth, which would track with 278 00:19:44,662 --> 00:19:47,262 Speaker 6: the fact that he's asked so many people for help, 279 00:19:48,022 --> 00:19:53,502 Speaker 6: police detectives, psychics around the country, another missing person's organization. 280 00:19:54,502 --> 00:19:57,822 Speaker 6: Why would someone reach out to so many people if 281 00:19:57,862 --> 00:19:58,942 Speaker 6: they had something to hide? 282 00:19:59,822 --> 00:20:05,462 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, And that's probably the most puzzling thing is 283 00:20:06,102 --> 00:20:10,022 Speaker 4: if you're guilty, you can still pret that you care 284 00:20:10,182 --> 00:20:13,662 Speaker 4: and pretend that you're, you know, trying to find out 285 00:20:13,702 --> 00:20:16,462 Speaker 4: where she is, even though you know where she is 286 00:20:16,502 --> 00:20:18,262 Speaker 4: because you're the one that killed her and buried her. 287 00:20:19,182 --> 00:20:22,262 Speaker 4: But why keep going to different people? 288 00:20:22,302 --> 00:20:23,062 Speaker 8: It's not just me. 289 00:20:28,662 --> 00:20:31,262 Speaker 6: The moment the psychic's weigh in seems to be the 290 00:20:31,382 --> 00:20:35,382 Speaker 6: point that Harper gives up hope Dear is alive. He 291 00:20:35,622 --> 00:20:39,142 Speaker 6: uses some of the details from Kelly's report to further 292 00:20:39,222 --> 00:20:42,262 Speaker 6: back up his theory that Clinton is involved, and he 293 00:20:42,502 --> 00:20:44,422 Speaker 6: never ever sways from that. 294 00:20:44,582 --> 00:20:44,942 Speaker 1: Conviction. 295 00:20:46,022 --> 00:20:50,862 Speaker 3: They have a lot of information about what may have 296 00:20:51,062 --> 00:20:58,342 Speaker 3: gone down ah and who may be responsible for. 297 00:20:59,942 --> 00:21:03,382 Speaker 6: Harper actually starts talking about all of this as the truth. 298 00:21:04,222 --> 00:21:06,302 Speaker 6: And it's so crazy for me to watch him go 299 00:21:06,422 --> 00:21:10,462 Speaker 6: through this process of not knowing and stumbling around in 300 00:21:10,542 --> 00:21:14,422 Speaker 6: the dark with all these different theories. So then grasping 301 00:21:14,462 --> 00:21:17,862 Speaker 6: onto this vague information that's fed to him by psychics 302 00:21:18,822 --> 00:21:23,062 Speaker 6: and holding onto it as a pure, hard fact, as 303 00:21:23,102 --> 00:21:27,582 Speaker 6: the ultimate truth. He confused me at first until I 304 00:21:27,702 --> 00:21:28,822 Speaker 6: understood what was happening. 305 00:21:30,182 --> 00:21:35,302 Speaker 8: You looked at how she's killed and how he's been placed. 306 00:21:35,422 --> 00:21:40,182 Speaker 14: That's a that's a professional kill. That's not somebody her know, 307 00:21:41,142 --> 00:21:47,502 Speaker 14: and Kane bearing and extensively scared the hyder. 308 00:21:48,382 --> 00:21:52,142 Speaker 1: Wait, who are you talking about now, Dieta. 309 00:21:53,542 --> 00:21:55,542 Speaker 6: You said, if you if you look at how she's 310 00:21:55,622 --> 00:21:56,542 Speaker 6: been killed. 311 00:21:57,102 --> 00:22:00,422 Speaker 14: If you look at how she has been killed at 312 00:22:00,502 --> 00:22:03,502 Speaker 14: place in the lake, she's been weighted down. 313 00:22:03,622 --> 00:22:06,582 Speaker 8: There's all kinds of evidence to hide her. 314 00:22:07,382 --> 00:22:09,142 Speaker 1: But you don't know for sure that she's. 315 00:22:10,942 --> 00:22:11,102 Speaker 13: Well. 316 00:22:11,222 --> 00:22:13,422 Speaker 8: I don't know. I'm sure she's there, but I think 317 00:22:13,462 --> 00:22:14,262 Speaker 8: we'll find out. 318 00:22:17,822 --> 00:22:20,782 Speaker 6: Harper believes that what Kelly's psychics are coming up with 319 00:22:21,582 --> 00:22:25,382 Speaker 6: is enough to prove his innocence, although to be clear, 320 00:22:25,902 --> 00:22:30,502 Speaker 6: there is no actual evidence, just narratives provided by the psychics. 321 00:22:31,302 --> 00:22:37,462 Speaker 11: I hate to ask you this, but if they do 322 00:22:37,742 --> 00:22:43,702 Speaker 11: find her and she's not alive, do you anticipate the 323 00:22:43,822 --> 00:22:45,982 Speaker 11: police coming to question you again? 324 00:22:48,142 --> 00:22:55,142 Speaker 12: You know, I think what Kelly has accumulated that it 325 00:22:55,382 --> 00:23:01,382 Speaker 12: points away from me and points towards. 326 00:23:02,342 --> 00:23:03,142 Speaker 8: The other side. 327 00:23:05,022 --> 00:23:08,462 Speaker 6: After Kelly sent his report to the cops, Harper was 328 00:23:08,582 --> 00:23:12,622 Speaker 6: texting and calling me excitedly. He was convinced they were 329 00:23:12,662 --> 00:23:16,262 Speaker 6: going to find Deer's body imminently, but it would be 330 00:23:16,422 --> 00:23:18,342 Speaker 6: months before the cops acted. 331 00:23:20,542 --> 00:23:21,542 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. 332 00:23:55,382 --> 00:23:59,142 Speaker 6: While Harper is out consulting psychics. Clinton has a more 333 00:23:59,542 --> 00:24:04,862 Speaker 6: grounded approach on that weekend in June twenty twenty, when 334 00:24:04,902 --> 00:24:06,862 Speaker 6: he got a call from one of DEA's neighbors to 335 00:24:06,902 --> 00:24:10,942 Speaker 6: say his mother was missing, he sprung into action right away. 336 00:24:12,102 --> 00:24:13,142 Speaker 8: She said, Diaz missing. 337 00:24:13,542 --> 00:24:16,782 Speaker 2: You know, I'm really really worried that something happened to her, 338 00:24:16,942 --> 00:24:21,902 Speaker 2: that that Harper or somebody else harmed her in some way, and. 339 00:24:23,382 --> 00:24:24,902 Speaker 8: You know, you got to come up here right now. 340 00:24:25,982 --> 00:24:29,742 Speaker 6: He immediately went into high alert mode, even if he 341 00:24:29,822 --> 00:24:31,462 Speaker 6: still wasn't really sure what was going on. 342 00:24:32,542 --> 00:24:34,582 Speaker 2: I didn't know if you know, this was being blown 343 00:24:34,622 --> 00:24:39,502 Speaker 2: out of proportion or understated, or if she had had 344 00:24:39,662 --> 00:24:42,342 Speaker 2: a migraine and was you know, got a hotel somewhere, 345 00:24:42,702 --> 00:24:47,702 Speaker 2: or if she had been murdered, or just kind of 346 00:24:47,822 --> 00:24:49,862 Speaker 2: Fogle war type of situation. 347 00:24:50,862 --> 00:24:53,222 Speaker 6: To Clinton, it didn't matter that he didn't know all 348 00:24:53,262 --> 00:24:56,822 Speaker 6: the details. He felt he was going into battle and 349 00:24:56,942 --> 00:24:59,022 Speaker 6: he was going to take precautions. 350 00:25:02,702 --> 00:25:06,342 Speaker 2: What I did was I immediately called a private investigation 351 00:25:06,662 --> 00:25:09,262 Speaker 2: company and I paid the deposit right there for. 352 00:25:09,462 --> 00:25:13,782 Speaker 6: Dogs, dogs as in search dogs. 353 00:25:15,302 --> 00:25:19,502 Speaker 2: I don't know the precise terminology, the proper nomenclature for 354 00:25:20,222 --> 00:25:23,102 Speaker 2: these type of dogs, but essentially kadab or dogs or 355 00:25:23,182 --> 00:25:25,822 Speaker 2: bloodhouse dogs or you know, some type of dog that 356 00:25:25,902 --> 00:25:26,462 Speaker 2: could find her. 357 00:25:30,262 --> 00:25:33,062 Speaker 6: Harper had been with DEA for at least two years, 358 00:25:33,782 --> 00:25:38,262 Speaker 6: but Clinton says he'd never met him despite this. On 359 00:25:38,382 --> 00:25:41,822 Speaker 6: his way up to the ranch, Clinton says, he calls Harper. 360 00:25:42,262 --> 00:25:44,782 Speaker 2: But I did get to, you know, instill a little 361 00:25:44,822 --> 00:25:48,742 Speaker 2: fear into him, and I told him to bring me 362 00:25:48,862 --> 00:25:52,182 Speaker 2: some clothes that Dia had worn recently, so that the 363 00:25:52,302 --> 00:25:56,142 Speaker 2: dogs had to send a reference scent to go off of. 364 00:25:57,102 --> 00:26:01,302 Speaker 6: Clinton arrived at the ranch and almost immediately he said, 365 00:26:01,422 --> 00:26:05,542 Speaker 6: any hope he had that Dea maybe alive vanished because 366 00:26:05,542 --> 00:26:07,822 Speaker 6: he felt like Harper was acting suspiciously. 367 00:26:12,782 --> 00:26:14,862 Speaker 2: You said some weird stuff about you know, if you 368 00:26:14,942 --> 00:26:18,462 Speaker 2: go up the hill and you find a corpse, you know, 369 00:26:18,662 --> 00:26:21,422 Speaker 2: don't touch it because it might be a crime scene 370 00:26:21,662 --> 00:26:25,222 Speaker 2: or some such very strange commentary. 371 00:26:26,102 --> 00:26:28,742 Speaker 6: Did you think that there was any chance that Dea 372 00:26:28,822 --> 00:26:29,902 Speaker 6: had left on her own? 373 00:26:32,662 --> 00:26:33,182 Speaker 8: I did not. 374 00:26:33,782 --> 00:26:37,862 Speaker 2: I thought, pretty much automatically, based on how people were behaving, 375 00:26:37,982 --> 00:26:39,342 Speaker 2: that she was gone. 376 00:26:40,382 --> 00:26:43,142 Speaker 6: Clint to notice some odd things around the ranch too, 377 00:26:44,302 --> 00:26:46,422 Speaker 6: things Harper hadn't mentioned to me. 378 00:26:47,222 --> 00:26:50,822 Speaker 2: The second story balcony door was kicked in from the outside, 379 00:26:51,142 --> 00:26:55,542 Speaker 2: and there was trim splintered trim throughout her master bedroom. 380 00:26:56,182 --> 00:27:00,022 Speaker 2: That was the only sign of forced entry that I saw. 381 00:27:01,822 --> 00:27:07,302 Speaker 2: I also saw a bunch of notes around the room 382 00:27:07,582 --> 00:27:09,502 Speaker 2: that kind of were very repetive. 383 00:27:09,742 --> 00:27:10,502 Speaker 8: In what they said. 384 00:27:11,262 --> 00:27:14,862 Speaker 2: I don't particularly want to go into the specifics of that, 385 00:27:15,062 --> 00:27:19,782 Speaker 2: because the investigator said that, you know, that's information they 386 00:27:19,822 --> 00:27:20,902 Speaker 2: don't really want to reveal. 387 00:27:21,822 --> 00:27:23,782 Speaker 1: But they were in your mother's handwriting. 388 00:27:24,462 --> 00:27:29,702 Speaker 2: They were in my mother's handwriting, written multiple times over 389 00:27:29,782 --> 00:27:34,662 Speaker 2: and over basically the same message. And also amongst those papers, 390 00:27:34,742 --> 00:27:36,662 Speaker 2: there was a piece of paper that said that she 391 00:27:36,742 --> 00:27:37,542 Speaker 2: feared for her life. 392 00:27:43,982 --> 00:27:48,662 Speaker 6: So in the months after DIA's disappearance, Clinton not only 393 00:27:48,782 --> 00:27:54,382 Speaker 6: hires a private investigator, he tries playing detective himself. He 394 00:27:54,502 --> 00:27:57,102 Speaker 6: starts calling up all these people who lived in Idle 395 00:27:57,182 --> 00:28:02,222 Speaker 6: World and questioning them in great detail. He compiles a 396 00:28:02,382 --> 00:28:06,382 Speaker 6: cache of recordings and documents they will later send to me, 397 00:28:07,422 --> 00:28:10,222 Speaker 6: and he starts developing his own thingies of what happened. 398 00:28:10,862 --> 00:28:15,222 Speaker 6: For example, he believes that Harper was in a relationship 399 00:28:15,782 --> 00:28:20,622 Speaker 6: with DEA's friend, Diana Feedder, and that they worked together 400 00:28:21,302 --> 00:28:22,582 Speaker 6: to make dear disappear. 401 00:28:24,902 --> 00:28:29,702 Speaker 2: Harper would call Feedder Die you know, short for Diane, obviously, 402 00:28:30,942 --> 00:28:34,822 Speaker 2: but you know it's a very It was if they 403 00:28:34,862 --> 00:28:36,062 Speaker 2: had known each other for years. 404 00:28:37,262 --> 00:28:42,622 Speaker 6: Harper and Diana adamantly deny all of these accusations, and 405 00:28:42,742 --> 00:28:45,222 Speaker 6: Diana said she'd only met Harper a couple of times 406 00:28:45,302 --> 00:28:49,622 Speaker 6: before Deer went missing. Clinton's PI turns up something else, 407 00:28:50,262 --> 00:28:54,622 Speaker 6: something noteworthy. When Harper traveled to New Mexico and his 408 00:28:54,862 --> 00:28:58,782 Speaker 6: r V two days after Dea disappeared, he used his 409 00:28:58,902 --> 00:29:03,622 Speaker 6: cell phone to make calls. Clinton's PI told me that 410 00:29:03,742 --> 00:29:06,462 Speaker 6: he managed to track down the cell phone towers that 411 00:29:06,662 --> 00:29:11,942 Speaker 6: Harper's phone pinged off, and they showed Harper in the 412 00:29:12,102 --> 00:29:16,302 Speaker 6: middle of Arizona, not too far from one of those 413 00:29:16,382 --> 00:29:25,542 Speaker 6: coordinates that Kelly's psychics had pinpointed. While all of this 414 00:29:25,742 --> 00:29:29,222 Speaker 6: is going on, Clinton and his sister Krasara are moving 415 00:29:29,342 --> 00:29:30,502 Speaker 6: forward with a lawsuit. 416 00:29:30,582 --> 00:29:31,102 Speaker 1: They filed. 417 00:29:31,902 --> 00:29:34,822 Speaker 6: They want Harper kicked off the ranch, and they want 418 00:29:34,902 --> 00:29:39,142 Speaker 6: him and Diana removed as trustees of DEA's estate. 419 00:29:40,142 --> 00:29:43,742 Speaker 2: We were pushing ardently to have and removed as trustee 420 00:29:43,822 --> 00:29:47,942 Speaker 2: because to me, and to my sister and to everybody, 421 00:29:48,862 --> 00:29:51,622 Speaker 2: we felt that it was quite obvious that he had 422 00:29:52,182 --> 00:29:54,142 Speaker 2: some involvement in DEA's disappearance. 423 00:29:55,342 --> 00:29:58,502 Speaker 6: In their court case, the kids claim Harper isn't taking 424 00:29:58,582 --> 00:30:02,022 Speaker 6: proper care of the ranch, he isn't being a good trustee. 425 00:30:02,862 --> 00:30:05,942 Speaker 6: For one, they say that Harper was pouring concrete over 426 00:30:06,022 --> 00:30:09,102 Speaker 6: the ranch to create an RV park, and they accus 427 00:30:09,382 --> 00:30:12,702 Speaker 6: Harper of not taking care of DEA's beloved animals. 428 00:30:13,222 --> 00:30:16,222 Speaker 2: And he was allowing the animals to get eaten either 429 00:30:16,302 --> 00:30:20,022 Speaker 2: by mountain lions, or they would be hit by a car, 430 00:30:20,382 --> 00:30:22,502 Speaker 2: or they would magically disappear. 431 00:30:23,182 --> 00:30:24,902 Speaker 1: And what would that have meant your mother. 432 00:30:26,942 --> 00:30:30,622 Speaker 2: If she would have been devastated, and I mean it's 433 00:30:30,662 --> 00:30:33,782 Speaker 2: impossible to describe how she would have felt. 434 00:30:35,302 --> 00:30:38,462 Speaker 6: Clinton and Krassara's lawsuit drags on for years, by the way, 435 00:30:39,062 --> 00:30:43,622 Speaker 6: with Harper and Diana maintaining their innocence. Diana actually removes 436 00:30:43,662 --> 00:30:50,062 Speaker 6: herself as trustee and relocates to Georgia. When Harper isn't 437 00:30:50,102 --> 00:30:53,822 Speaker 6: dealing with court summons from Clinton, he's hounding the police. 438 00:30:54,662 --> 00:30:57,742 Speaker 6: He even addresses a letter to the sheriff of Riverside 439 00:30:57,782 --> 00:31:02,582 Speaker 6: County complaining about their incompetence and urging them to keep 440 00:31:02,662 --> 00:31:08,222 Speaker 6: searching for Deer. He's also completely fixated by Kelly Snyder's psychics. 441 00:31:09,822 --> 00:31:13,302 Speaker 6: Kelly focuses on one of the psychic's coordinates. In particular, 442 00:31:14,422 --> 00:31:17,782 Speaker 6: he thinks Deer's body was dumped in Lake Hemmitt, and 443 00:31:17,902 --> 00:31:21,022 Speaker 6: if Kelly believes it, you can bet Harper believes it too. 444 00:31:25,622 --> 00:31:28,782 Speaker 6: Harper pushes the cops hard to act on Kelly's report 445 00:31:29,022 --> 00:31:32,582 Speaker 6: and search Lake Hemmett, and finally. 446 00:31:32,782 --> 00:31:36,262 Speaker 1: In November of twenty twenty one, three months. 447 00:31:36,102 --> 00:31:40,982 Speaker 6: After Kelly files his report, Alberto Lorero, the lead investigator 448 00:31:41,062 --> 00:31:44,302 Speaker 6: on the case, sends out divers to search the lake 449 00:31:44,462 --> 00:31:45,662 Speaker 6: with sonar equipment. 450 00:31:46,782 --> 00:31:48,902 Speaker 1: Harper watches the entire thing. 451 00:31:52,942 --> 00:31:55,702 Speaker 8: I just watched the lake. When they showed up, I 452 00:31:55,822 --> 00:31:58,902 Speaker 8: went and took pictures of all of it. 453 00:31:59,902 --> 00:32:03,822 Speaker 12: And then at the end, Lorero comes to me, takes 454 00:32:03,942 --> 00:32:07,182 Speaker 12: my camera, reaches in and takes the card out and says, 455 00:32:07,222 --> 00:32:08,542 Speaker 12: we're keeping this is evident. 456 00:32:09,342 --> 00:32:12,062 Speaker 8: Why would he do that. I had the right to 457 00:32:12,182 --> 00:32:15,862 Speaker 8: take pictures and I was not interfering with anything they 458 00:32:15,942 --> 00:32:16,382 Speaker 8: were doing. 459 00:32:17,822 --> 00:32:23,262 Speaker 6: This whole scene is just so utterly bizarre. Harper camped 460 00:32:23,302 --> 00:32:26,182 Speaker 6: out somewhere on the shores of this lake there's used 461 00:32:26,182 --> 00:32:30,422 Speaker 6: for normal activities like hiking and boating, snapping away with 462 00:32:30,542 --> 00:32:35,622 Speaker 6: his camera, and the cops confiscating his SD card just what. 463 00:32:38,422 --> 00:32:41,142 Speaker 6: I asked the Riverside Sheriff's department about all of this, 464 00:32:41,742 --> 00:32:49,622 Speaker 6: but they didn't respond. And after all of that, the 465 00:32:49,742 --> 00:32:51,822 Speaker 6: divers don't find anything. 466 00:32:52,782 --> 00:32:55,222 Speaker 5: And that's when I called Kelly and I said, Kelly, 467 00:32:55,702 --> 00:33:03,022 Speaker 5: they didn't find it. I'm confused. And later on that 468 00:33:03,982 --> 00:33:06,382 Speaker 5: they believed that she was made note. 469 00:33:06,582 --> 00:33:07,502 Speaker 8: Just prior to the. 470 00:33:07,542 --> 00:33:11,702 Speaker 6: Search, Harper and Kelly come up with this new theory 471 00:33:12,222 --> 00:33:15,862 Speaker 6: that Deer's body was in Lake Hemmytt. But somehow the 472 00:33:15,982 --> 00:33:19,862 Speaker 6: information from Kelly's report was leaked from the Sheriff's department, 473 00:33:20,702 --> 00:33:23,822 Speaker 6: and they think that in that three month period between 474 00:33:23,942 --> 00:33:26,422 Speaker 6: Kelly filing his report and the cop searching the lake, 475 00:33:26,982 --> 00:33:32,662 Speaker 6: the killer came and moved Dear's body. The speculation just 476 00:33:32,742 --> 00:33:36,742 Speaker 6: seems to grow wilder and wilder. Dredging a body from 477 00:33:36,782 --> 00:33:40,022 Speaker 6: a lake and moving it. I don't know, it just 478 00:33:40,102 --> 00:33:43,542 Speaker 6: doesn't feel that likely to me. And then there's Clinton's 479 00:33:43,582 --> 00:33:47,502 Speaker 6: theories that Diana and Harper were in a relationship and 480 00:33:47,622 --> 00:33:52,862 Speaker 6: they're both involved, And again I find myself wondering how 481 00:33:52,982 --> 00:33:55,902 Speaker 6: both sides could be so adamant that their version of 482 00:33:55,982 --> 00:34:00,342 Speaker 6: events is the truth, because they can't both be right. 483 00:34:06,062 --> 00:34:08,742 Speaker 6: By this point, I'd gone down to San Diego to 484 00:34:08,822 --> 00:34:12,022 Speaker 6: meet with Clinton face to face, and it only seemed 485 00:34:12,102 --> 00:34:14,942 Speaker 6: right that I do the same with Harper Io. Plus, 486 00:34:15,662 --> 00:34:17,862 Speaker 6: I was pretty curious to see beneath a Vista ranch 487 00:34:17,942 --> 00:34:21,302 Speaker 6: for myself. Harper have been telling me all about it, 488 00:34:22,182 --> 00:34:26,302 Speaker 6: including about numerous security cameras around the property and where 489 00:34:26,342 --> 00:34:27,182 Speaker 6: they were positioned. 490 00:34:28,182 --> 00:34:29,542 Speaker 8: You know, I'm not opposed to him. 491 00:34:29,582 --> 00:34:31,662 Speaker 6: And you come back to the ranch yin Oh that 492 00:34:31,742 --> 00:34:33,902 Speaker 6: would be great, actually, because then I can kind of 493 00:34:33,942 --> 00:34:37,662 Speaker 6: really get an idea of the layout run and what's around? 494 00:34:38,022 --> 00:34:40,702 Speaker 8: Yeah, you know what, I'll take you upstairs and show 495 00:34:40,702 --> 00:34:43,822 Speaker 8: you the cameras. How how they do not see what 496 00:34:44,062 --> 00:34:46,222 Speaker 8: happens is beyond me and lie. 497 00:34:48,302 --> 00:34:52,062 Speaker 6: So I'm planning this trip against my boyfriend's advice. And 498 00:34:52,142 --> 00:34:55,662 Speaker 6: then I get an email. It's a Google alert that 499 00:34:55,702 --> 00:34:56,302 Speaker 6: I'd set. 500 00:34:56,142 --> 00:34:56,942 Speaker 1: Up on Deer's name. 501 00:34:57,862 --> 00:35:00,622 Speaker 6: It was a link to a news story on CBS. 502 00:35:03,542 --> 00:35:06,542 Speaker 7: Forty six year old Jody Nukirk died on the Benita 503 00:35:06,582 --> 00:35:10,862 Speaker 7: Vista Ranch near Idlewild just after her sunset on December 504 00:35:10,942 --> 00:35:12,462 Speaker 7: twenty third, twenty twenty one. 505 00:35:14,222 --> 00:35:20,662 Speaker 6: Someone a woman had been found dead on DEA's ranch. 506 00:35:35,262 --> 00:35:37,422 Speaker 6: Next time on Weds Dear. 507 00:35:40,422 --> 00:35:43,902 Speaker 15: You can pretty much just take out a sharpie and 508 00:35:44,182 --> 00:35:48,662 Speaker 15: just cross out every year thing, he says Lake. Literally, 509 00:35:48,822 --> 00:35:50,902 Speaker 15: he just he's allergic to the truth. 510 00:36:14,342 --> 00:36:18,182 Speaker 6: Where's Dear is written and hosted by me Lucy Sherriff. 511 00:36:18,862 --> 00:36:24,342 Speaker 6: Our producer is Daphne Chen, editing by Karen Shakerji, production 512 00:36:24,462 --> 00:36:29,342 Speaker 6: assistance from Joey Fish, ground fact checking by Lauren Vespoli. 513 00:36:30,022 --> 00:36:34,822 Speaker 6: Our executive producer is Jacob Smith. Original score, sound design 514 00:36:34,982 --> 00:36:39,902 Speaker 6: and mastering by Echo Shaw's. Where's Deer is a co 515 00:36:40,062 --> 00:36:58,022 Speaker 6: production of Pushkin Industries. And iHeartMedia. Where's Deer was originally 516 00:36:58,102 --> 00:36:59,942 Speaker 6: developed with Truly*Adventurous.