1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome ever went to another edition of a Orlando 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Magic pod squad? 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 2: We got a good one. 4 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: Former Magic player Pat Garrety joins the broadcast. 5 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 3: And you certainly don't want to miss that Magic fans 6 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 3: afforded Department of Transportation remind you that fans don't let 7 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 3: fans drive drug If you've been drinking, don't get behind 8 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 3: the wheels that by the sober driver or catch a 9 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 3: ride service. 10 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 1: Remember drive sober for a get pulled over a great 11 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: night and drive Staatee. Lots to cover with former Magic 12 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: player Pat Garrity. Ten years in the NBA, nine of 13 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: them right here in City Beautiful. 14 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: He was a part of that heart and hustle team. 15 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 2: We'll get his thoughts so on. 16 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: That year, what that looked like as it was his 17 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: first year in Orlando, playing alongside Tracy McGrady in the prime. 18 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 2: Of his career. 19 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: What does he remember about those years and is there 20 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: an opportunity for Pat Garrity, former member of the front 21 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: office with the Detroit Pistons, to possibly return to a 22 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: front office here in the NBA, And his thoughts as 23 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: an analyst on this Orlando Magic team and how good 24 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: they can be, especially follow man Carol get Into with 25 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: Pat Garrity on this edition of Magic Pod Squad. 26 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 2: Those fawns long enough, they're Orlando Magic. This is Cole Anthony, 27 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 2: Missus Jennings Suggs, This is Paulo Man Carroll the Orlando 28 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: Magic and you're listen into the Pod Squad. 29 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: And welcome to one to the latest installment of Orlando 30 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: Magic Pod Squad. Dante, Marc Telli, George Galate, Jake Chapman, 31 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 1: and we're joined by Pat Garretty, ten year NBA veteran, 32 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: nine of them right. 33 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 4: Here with the Orlando Magic. Worked for four years in 34 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 4: the front office with the Detroit Pistons, television analysts at 35 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 4: front office, insider on the stadium, but probably most noted 36 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 4: for his time carrying the pregame show here in Orlando 37 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 4: on Valley Sports Florida. Write that, dude, you Ki, what 38 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 4: is it gonna take for us to get you back 39 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 4: as an analyst here and sent you Metlorida. 40 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 2: My wife and I talk about that all the time 41 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 2: because actually I retired. I went to business school. I 42 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: had big ideas of like making my making something out 43 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 2: of myself, And I say, why didn't I just stay 44 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: in Orlando? You need to play golf at bay Hill 45 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 2: where we lived. It's just done pre and post kid 46 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: shows with Doctor Yes, well I know, then where'd you 47 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 2: land and where'd you live? 48 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 4: Can we circle back on that because bay Hill is 49 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 4: still open, right, you could still come back. 50 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 2: And Dante is still here. And so although I have 51 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: some competition now from q Rich, I don't think he's 52 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: given up that seat. And he has a lot to say, 53 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 2: as we all know it does. 54 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 4: You're familiar with and you're familiar with him as well. 55 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 4: So which so for as you look at what you've 56 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 4: done right, you went back, you got your degree, you 57 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 4: moved on, You've had success wherever you've gone. Is it 58 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,839 Speaker 4: is it unambitious that George and I are still here 59 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 4: or is it amazing that? 60 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: Or is it amazing that we've been able to hang 61 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: on this log? I know you've been You've been doing 62 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: something right. You've survived. The way I would look at 63 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: it is you've survived to the rebuilds and now you're 64 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 2: coming out on the other side. No, I think that 65 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: that's like one of the more impressive things about Orlando 66 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 2: is And again I was we were talking about this, 67 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: just getting ready for the trip to come up there 68 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: is just how many people are are still there for 69 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 2: me when I was there, which I think is a 70 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: testament a lot to you know, kind of the ownership 71 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 2: and how mistard of os So he's like treated people. 72 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: And I think it's a special thing, especially like in 73 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 2: sports where you do see kind of a lot of 74 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 2: turnover and the things that you guys do. 75 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 5: That's a good sort that way, because Dante and I 76 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 5: usually see it as laziness. So I'm glad that you. 77 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 5: I'm bringing you on to make us feel a little 78 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 5: bit better about ourselves. 79 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 2: So Pat, catch everybody up with what you're doing. Now. 80 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: We know you're all over. 81 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 5: I mean every time I turn on the TV, it's 82 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 5: you and Shams breaking down, breaking down trades and moons 83 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 5: and critiquet. I got on radio, I know it's raiding 84 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 5: spikes everywhere. 85 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 2: When Yeah, so you know, I was after a few 86 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: different things. Was with the Pistons, started to Detroit with 87 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: with Stan and was there for six years, four with 88 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 2: him and then two kind of a transition period before 89 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: before Troy Weaver came in, and then after that, you know, 90 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: really didn't put too much effort to try to get 91 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: back into a front office show. At that time, my 92 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: son was right in the middle of high school and 93 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 2: I wanted to enjoy like being around him in his 94 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 2: sports career, and I liked some of the media stuff 95 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: that I had done, you know, ten years ago. That 96 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: was really my only exposure to it. And you know, 97 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: I had known chums over the years that didn't was 98 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 2: never really close to him. But he called me up 99 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 2: and he said, Hey, we're doing this show. Would you 100 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 2: like to come on and you know, try it. We 101 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 2: have an opening we're looking for like an analyst. And 102 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 2: that was on inside. The association was carried on the 103 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: all the ballet sports channels up until kind of the 104 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: beginning of this year. I mean, there was some restructuring, 105 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 2: so I did that for a few seasons. I still 106 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 2: do specials with them on on Stadium which are streamed 107 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 2: on Twitter and get at a lot of it because 108 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 2: the shams getting incredible and gay of people wising these 109 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 2: straight deadline specials and free agency previews and draft things 110 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 2: like that. So that's been a lot of fun. But 111 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: but now that we're empty nesters and our son is 112 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: off to college, I'm kind of giving it one. I 113 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 2: don't know if it's we'd say one last but one 114 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 2: kind of final good effort to hook up, back up 115 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 2: with the team and get back to the way. I'll 116 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: be forty eight. I'll be forty eight this summer, So 117 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: I don't think I'm quite yet ready to retire. I 118 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 2: tell people on semi retired, so that leaves the door open. 119 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 2: That's what I tell people too. But that's why I 120 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 2: really ask here. It's amazing, thanks for having so I retired. 121 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 4: Well, so, so, how was the game changed back? Because 122 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 4: you got obviously it's I mean it seems to change yearly. 123 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 4: But when you when you first went this route with 124 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 4: the Detroit Pistons to now right, I mean, these the 125 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 4: staffs are enormous. I can remember when you were here 126 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 4: in Orlando, right, what was that front office Gabe right. 127 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 2: The game Ga Gape, Gape, Dave forzak Otis at the 128 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 2: end there. Yeah. 129 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, Now we've got we've got at least thirty people 130 00:05:58,920 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 4: in our analytics team. 131 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 2: Right. 132 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 4: It's amazing how this how this whole front office system 133 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 4: has more, it has and you know it even in 134 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 4: the ten years from when I started with stan So 135 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 4: we joined in twenty fourteen. He put together at the 136 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 4: time a jug like what was considered a giant staff, 137 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 4: and that was like four pro scouts, four college scouts, 138 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 4: three assistant gms, like two analytics guys. That's like an 139 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 4: average staff. 140 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 2: Now yeah, oh yeah, yeah, So so number one, you know, 141 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 2: and that I think that what you see and you 142 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: probably you don't see a lot of this actually being reported. 143 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 2: One of the challenges is actually managing all of those 144 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 2: people well, right, Because if you think about what a 145 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 2: GM is really supposed to be good at, it is 146 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 2: supposed to be identifying talent, having some kind of sort 147 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 2: of like strategic plan to you know, would depending on 148 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 2: where you're out of your team's life, and then like 149 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: really good negotiating good relationship with agents and other teams 150 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: to kind of get down what you need to get done. 151 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,679 Speaker 2: Those are really hard skills to have. And then layer 152 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: on top of that being able to manage a bunch 153 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 2: of scouts, a bunch of people at different points in 154 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 2: their career, analytics, people who might have worked kind of 155 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: in the corporate world outside of basketball, that are used 156 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 2: to that culture. It's a really difficult job. So I 157 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: think the guys that have done it well are unique. 158 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 6: And as far as the analytics go, you've sort of 159 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 6: presided over or at least been able to observe the 160 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 6: development of that world, and obviously the amount of resources 161 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 6: pumped into it. But then I think the way that 162 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 6: we understand it and now all of a sudden there's 163 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 6: like backlash and I always hear people, you know, sort 164 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 6: of make it the boogeyman, and I don't think they 165 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 6: have any idea what they're talking about. Where do you 166 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 6: come down on all of that? How is it best applied? 167 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 6: Is it just a tool when you do get back in, 168 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 6: how are you going to use it? 169 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's a it's a good question. I mean 170 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 2: the way I always uh like break it down is 171 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 2: there's there's a really like two ways that you could 172 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: use it. One is like descriptive and one is predictive. Right, 173 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 2: And I think that there's no question that using kind 174 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: of data to understand what happened is like invaluable, and 175 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 2: you have to do that just because you just don't 176 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: have there's so much going on in the game that 177 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 2: it's just hard to understand. So even the people that 178 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 2: bash you know, analytics are like using it to kind 179 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 2: of confirm confirm, you know, the record or what they 180 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 2: thought happened, right, So that's number one. And like especially 181 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 2: like on the coaching side, like there's no coaching staff 182 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 2: in the NBA that's not using data to determine their 183 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 2: game plan, you know what, whether or not they want 184 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 2: to admit, like how they cover pick and roll, like 185 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: how the type of players and teams that they're defending. 186 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 2: That's going into all of their decision making. And every 187 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: single coaching staff has like a coaching analytics analyst on 188 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 2: their on their staff. I think the difficult thing and 189 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: like the more disparity among teams I use it is 190 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: kind of from a front office perspective, like when you're 191 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 2: talking about the extent of the plays into the draft 192 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 2: or into free agency and things like that, because that's 193 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: predicting the future. And you know, it's easy to use 194 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: like big data sets when you can make you know, 195 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 2: a million decisions and you're hoping to have a hit 196 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: rate of you know, fifty five or sixty percent. A 197 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 2: lot of times in the NBA of fifty five or 198 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 2: sixty percent hit rate, Like you get four if ten 199 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: draft years wrong, like your first or wrong, Like you 200 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 2: could still be on track, but you're out of a job. 201 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 2: That's that's I think it's a little more difficult, but 202 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 2: you know, teams obviously put money into it and they 203 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 2: have kind of analytic models to predict players success. At 204 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 2: the end of the day, though, it's the gms. The 205 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: GM is not going to go in front of a 206 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 2: press conference and defend his raft pick because he said, look, 207 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 2: we had these ten guys from and women from MI 208 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 2: T that built this awesome model. I was doing with 209 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 2: the model sad like, well, how could you waive it 210 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 2: on me? Taking on on mid if you don't like it? Yeah, 211 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 2: that's right, tuck him. 212 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 4: I was a changed with the agents, you know, as 213 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 4: far as agents, right, because it seems like there's there's 214 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 4: so many of them now, it seems and you know, 215 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's it's for better or worse, but 216 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 4: it seems to have changed. 217 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 2: That relationship piece with agents is huge too for front 218 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 2: office folks. Yes, uh, I think I think a lot 219 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 2: of that has to do with the consolidation in the 220 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 2: in the agency world, and so maybe if you look 221 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 2: at ten or twenty years ago, they were many more 222 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: smaller agents, uh, spread out, they were still the power agency. 223 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 2: David sure, Mark Barbstein goes but now with how powerful 224 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 2: agencies like c AA and Clutch and obviously like you know, 225 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: WASHERMN Excel, like those are those are those are the 226 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 2: big ones. They cover so many guys, they they do 227 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: just because they have so many guys, They have a 228 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 2: great deal of power. And so if you're a team, 229 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 2: you can't look at it as a you know, this 230 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 2: is a one time negotiation that we're going to you know, 231 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 2: we're going to try to win, or you have to 232 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: think about you know, you know, the future and the 233 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 2: other good point locations of kind of keeping the relationship 234 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 2: going that way. 235 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 5: I'm looking at I'm looking at the analytics pad, and 236 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 5: my analytics say that if you were playing in today's game, Yes, 237 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 5: I mean how. 238 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 2: Rich would you be? 239 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 5: First of all, because I mean we're all everybody's looking 240 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 5: for a six nine, six ten guy that can bomb threes. 241 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 2: You were ahead of your time for three point shooter. 242 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 2: Do you think maybe I was born a little too early? Well, 243 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 2: number one, I would have been a center, that's true. 244 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 2: But you wouldn't have to go down on the block 245 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 2: and you'd go right where you were exactly. Yeah, we 246 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 2: could have found But you know that's what I said. 247 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 2: If you just paired me with Bo. Bo could play defense, 248 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 2: protect the. 249 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 4: Rim, Yes, yes, exactly, No, I think there was though 250 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 4: even you know, the shooty aspect obviously, but. 251 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 2: You know, and you would have. The way that guys 252 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 2: work on their game now is different too. But just 253 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 2: the level of skill of even even stretch you know, 254 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 2: one dimensional type four men or five men right now 255 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 2: is like way beyond and you watch how these got 256 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 2: like everyone can handle, everyone can pass. So this the 257 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 2: skill level to me is incredible. I seek. I always 258 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,719 Speaker 2: thought of myself as a pretty skilled player, but then 259 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 2: I watch like I I'm like, God, I might, I might. 260 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 2: I might have had a hard time. Well you know 261 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 2: the morphed do you know a morph like they do? Yeah, 262 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 2: it's amazing. 263 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 4: Now we're watching a seven four guy, he might be 264 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 4: seven to six and the things that he can do, 265 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 4: right do you You sit back sometimes and just marble 266 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 4: at that and how much it's changed and some of 267 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 4: the we gotta rightly with a guy like Wen Bin 268 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 4: Yama and these guys that what they can. 269 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 2: Do bowl Bowl, Kevin Durant, and it's remarkable. I do, 270 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 2: And I think there's something to all of the criticism 271 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 2: right now that's going on in the NBA about so 272 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 2: much offense and how boring the game is to watch, 273 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 2: because I talk to people who it's not an uncommon 274 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 2: thing to say I'd rather just watch college basketball, and 275 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, are you kidding me like that? And I 276 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 2: seek A lot of it has to do with just 277 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 2: how skilled everyone is and how easy it looks. Because 278 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 2: it looks so easy, easy, and everything looks the same. 279 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 2: It just it looks like there's not much going on. 280 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: And if you do but you brought a Kevin Durant, 281 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 2: if you watch how Kevin Durant scores like he takes 282 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 2: incredibly difficult shots. Yes, yes, you know, contested shots with 283 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 2: people game planning to stop him, and it doesn't look 284 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: like he's putting in any effort at all. Well, well, 285 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 2: let me ask you. Let me ask you. That's a 286 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 2: very good point. 287 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 4: But you played with Tracy McGrady in the prime of 288 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 4: his career, right, and we talked to him a couple 289 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 4: of months ago, and you know, Tracy, you know you're 290 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 4: not surprised. Tracy tell you he'll average forty five and 291 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 4: today's game, but you but you at a front row 292 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 4: seat the prime Tracy McGrady in this day and age 293 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 4: defensively where you can't touch these guys right that he's 294 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 4: able to get wherever he wants on the floor, you 295 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 4: can't apede anybody offensively. What what would he look like today? 296 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 4: And you know, obviously. 297 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 2: McGrady would be I mean, McGrady would be a top 298 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: five player, the top ten player. There's no question in 299 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 2: my mind about that today. And I think that the 300 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 2: thing that people don't and in his game completely translated 301 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 2: to today. And I don't think the thing that people 302 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 2: realize unless they really watch it back in the day 303 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 2: is just how dangerous in all areas of the floor 304 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 2: he was. Like one of the best parts of his 305 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: game was kind of that mid post area where he 306 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 2: could where he could isoate. And he was also one 307 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 2: of the best passers that I ever played with. And 308 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: so in an era where you do have where he 309 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 2: would have had a lot more spacing, would have been 310 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 2: surrounded by four shooters, he would have been incredibly, incredibly 311 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 2: difficult to you couldn't I mean, he would have averaged 312 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: thirty points. 313 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 6: Ben as far as the scoring goes. I mean, because 314 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 6: it's a pretty hot topic right now, is it. Do 315 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 6: you think it's in a good place, because first off, 316 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 6: anybody who tells you I prefer college basketball or probe 317 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 6: they don't watch college basketball's either. That's one of those 318 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 6: things people say at the bar. 319 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 2: Is it? But is it in an okay place? Do 320 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 2: we need? 321 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 6: Did we kind of overcorrect and now we need to 322 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 6: bring it back. I'm not saying we need, you know, 323 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 6: ninety five to ninety three every night, but but is 324 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 6: it has gone a little too far? 325 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 2: Do you think? 326 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 6: Because obviously I almost suggest that we're that we alter 327 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 6: the dimensions of the court. We're getting rid of the 328 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 6: corner threes and I'm like, okay, let's let's stat the 329 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 6: breaks a little bit. 330 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, who doesn't like scoring? I mean I think 331 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 2: that I that that's still thing that always like bafflespeak. 332 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 2: Who doesn't like a game where the thing that is 333 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 2: rewarded is skill? Like that's where the game is moved. 334 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 2: And you know, I whether or not you know you 335 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 2: could allow a little bit more physicality and take take 336 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 2: some of the touch spouts out. I think that you 337 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 2: probably could, like not to the extent that college does. 338 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 2: College to be is like it's like a blood bath, 339 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 2: Like you guys only watching a guy the lane it's 340 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 2: not fun to watch it all, you know. I do 341 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 2: think that the one thing, and this is less related 342 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 2: I think kind of to the physical and scoring, but 343 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 2: then more to kind of the I think the criticism 344 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 2: a lot of times in the spotlight that you see 345 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 2: on referees. I think that the NBA has made such 346 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 2: an effort to to you know, minimize EIR error and 347 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 2: provide transparency to the fans and you know, with the 348 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 2: replay and all this kind of stuff. I think that 349 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: actually taking a step back and going more towards on 350 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 2: the path of like, look, these are humans, they're fallible, 351 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 2: like in the end it all washes out, would be 352 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 2: a much It would make for a much better product. 353 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 2: Like we don't need to know the names of these officials. 354 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 2: They don't. They're not part of the show. Right. That's 355 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 2: a great But it depends on who you ask. It 356 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 2: depends on who you ask. It depends on you to 357 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 2: ask it. And I think what I think what just happened. 358 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 2: For if you're a younger official, like there's no reason 359 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 2: why you wouldn't do anything other than buy the book, 360 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 2: and that means the way that you interact with player 361 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 2: coaches and you know, I maybe this is kind of 362 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 2: like a little bit like the nostalgia come out, but 363 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 2: I kind of like look back in the day when 364 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 2: you had Steve Gabby or Jess Cursey or some of 365 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 2: these guys, and you knew that like if you said 366 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 2: something to them or they didn't like your coach, they 367 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 2: were going to like call it a certain way. 368 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 4: And that was part that's part of the Joey Crawford, right, 369 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 4: you couldn't combat I mean, think about the the other 370 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 4: night against Brooklyn, we had a situation where there's three 371 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 4: of three and a half. 372 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 2: Minutes to go in the game. We're up. We were 373 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 2: up by thirty or whatever. 374 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 5: The game was well in hand and we had a 375 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 5: five to six minute delay for a challenge or Kada 376 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 5: was and Reson has led us, and you're just like, 377 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 5: oh my god, like let's there has to be put 378 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 5: some common sense back into it too. When comes to 379 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 5: the officiating as well, it's like listen, Like one of 380 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 5: those guys could have went and talked to Kevin Olly 381 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,719 Speaker 5: and been like listen, Kevin, like we have reservations at 382 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 5: nine forty five, like it's time to get out of Yeah, 383 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 5: this one's up. You know. 384 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 2: Through the door, George speaking of this size of staffs though, 385 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 2: there's a guy behind the bench with a clipboard whose 386 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 2: entire job is challenges. He's living and dying with that 387 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 2: chab and you know he's said, is I don't even 388 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 2: know if he got it right. I don't even know. 389 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,239 Speaker 2: I don't I think we missed this out. He missed it. 390 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: What would you tell, Pat? What would you tell Magic 391 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 1: fans about this team? 392 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 4: As you kind of put on your your analyst ad 393 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 4: and I know Magic fans are are excited. 394 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: There's a buzz in talent. They haven't been this many 395 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: games above five hundred and February since twenty twelve. Been 396 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: a long time coming, a lot of excitement here in town. 397 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 2: What can this team do? What do you like about it? 398 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 2: I think that one of the really impressive things about 399 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 2: this team is and it has to do with how 400 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,239 Speaker 2: the team is built, but how they're actually doing it, 401 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 2: which is on the defensive end. You know, I think 402 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 2: I looked and they were, you know, on Basketball Reference 403 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 2: at least top five defensively, like at this point of 404 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 2: the season, with this young of a team, that is 405 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 2: incredibly impressive. I think one of the difficult things and 406 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 2: you're seeing this a little bit with Minnesota, although with 407 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 2: Minnesota a lot of it has to do with Rudy Gobert. 408 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 2: Is that's the route that Day's gone as well. They're 409 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 2: number one in the West, They're the number one defensive team, 410 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 2: and the question is going to be once the playoffs start, 411 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 2: are they going to is there the way they play 412 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 2: and is there fire and firepower offensively going to be 413 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,239 Speaker 2: able to translate? And I think that that it's going 414 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 2: to be the The interesting thing to watch with the 415 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 2: Magic as the years go forward is what type of 416 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 2: you know, development that you need from your own players 417 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 2: and you know, what else do you need to you know, 418 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 2: improve till you're at least an average offensive team, because 419 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 2: I think that it's really hard, it's really really hard 420 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 2: to win the going all in our offense right the 421 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 2: number of players that can carry you not only to 422 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 2: the regular seas to be successful in the playoffs, it's 423 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 2: just there's just so a few of those guys. So 424 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 2: to have a group of players like the Magic do 425 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 2: right now that can be an e lead defensive team, 426 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 2: you know, it gives you a little bit of it 427 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 2: gives you a little bit of leeway and saying like, look, 428 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 2: we just need to add some peripheral here, and we 429 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 2: don't need to be the number one offensive team. We 430 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 2: just need let's get on a fifteen sixteen. And then 431 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 2: you're talking about you know, then you're talking about hosting 432 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 2: home for playoff games, so that that to me is 433 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 2: like the really impressive thing about that team. And then 434 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 2: you know, I was just looking at this the other night, 435 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 2: kind of prepared to come on. I was looking at 436 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 2: kind of Pollo's first couple of years. 437 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 5: La, wait a minute, you said you prepared to come 438 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 5: on here. I'm not want to ask the guy's always 439 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 5: read it at lest somebody. 440 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 2: Prepared to come on here? Yeah, bet him? Okay, go ahead. 441 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, No, but I was looking at you know, 442 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 2: the question in my mind really is can Pollo be 443 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 2: And this is a little bit of a cheap comparisons. 444 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 2: They're both like duke guys. But can he be? Can 445 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 2: he be Jason Hatum? Can he be like a number 446 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 2: one guy that's eventually moving into like M v P. 447 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 2: And if you look at is you look at you 448 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 2: look at the stats, you know, kind of overachieving relative 449 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 2: to Tatum did in his first couple of years. Now 450 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 2: Tatum had Tadum probably shot the ball better from three, 451 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 2: and he's sure he's continued that on with high high volume. 452 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 2: I think that's not I don't know if that's necessarily 453 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 2: what Paul's going but like there's a chance that he 454 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 2: could he could be that for you guys, and that's 455 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 2: like the hardest thing to have. It's like the number 456 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 2: a number one who's an All NBA level player a 457 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 2: lot of teams. Is you don't have that, you're not 458 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: going to be You're always going to be a fringe team, 459 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 2: playoff team. If you have that number one guy who's 460 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 2: an All NBA type guy, you're you're in the conversation 461 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 2: to be a perennial playoff team. 462 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 4: Well, can I ask real quick, guys, I know you 463 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 4: guys want to jump in, but can I just to 464 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 4: expand on that? 465 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: What does that is that one guy that helps this 466 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 1: team make that jump? Is it a couple of you 467 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: said perperal pieces? Is it just a couple of guys 468 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 1: you need that third consistent scoring option. What what opens 469 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: things up for Powa. 470 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 4: Where he can continuously be that kind of got we 471 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 4: could which is remarkable what he's doing now without the spacing, 472 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 4: you know, I think it's it's obviously shooting and so 473 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 4: that's you know, you can get guys that are you know, 474 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 4: maybe one dimensional isn't what you want, but but are 475 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 4: available in free agency or through trade because they have 476 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 4: some sort of law, but they can really shoot the 477 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 4: ball well. 478 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 2: And given the right team and given the right other 479 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 2: like above average defensive players are like playable players, you know, 480 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 2: for for the magic I'm kind of curious what happens 481 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 2: at the at the point guard position because I think 482 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 2: that that's that's another area where you know, if you're 483 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 2: able to have someone that can have the ball in 484 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 2: their hand, you cut down on your turnovers a little 485 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 2: bit all of a sudden, you know, you become a 486 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 2: little bit more of an offensive team. And I think 487 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 2: that that also puts a guy like Jalen sugs And 488 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 2: in a much better position just in looking at his 489 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 2: his career possession and correct me if my wrong, but 490 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: his role has moved a little bit. He was never 491 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 2: a point guard, but he's would even like a little 492 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 2: bit more off the ball, and by all accounts it's 493 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 2: it's led to much more, much more efficient play for him. 494 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, you're right, You're right, Yeah, the drives have been 495 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 7: down and basically you know, spotting up and that's happened 496 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,239 Speaker 7: with the development of Franz Wagner and Palla Bangero, who 497 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 7: are both. 498 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 6: So good just getting to wherever they want to get 499 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 6: and attacking the bucket. What have you seen from Franz 500 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 6: He's got he's got a little manager Nobili and him 501 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 6: doesn't he with that with that euro step. 502 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: I mean, he's he's a big special player. But he's 503 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 2: very unique, is he not. He's he's unique. Number one 504 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 2: beat for you know, such a young player to be 505 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 2: as good as defensively as he was able to be 506 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 2: coming in, you know, I think so that that's number one. 507 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 2: And then just overall feel and skill level. I think 508 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 2: that what you're pointing to, Jake, of being able to 509 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 2: put on the floor, having good vision and be able 510 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: to make a play there, you know, for yourself or 511 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 2: for someone else, that's impressive. But I think that he 512 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 2: he is the key to me or one of the 513 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 2: keys obviously, like being able to do with you guys 514 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 2: intun defensively, just to have those big, long skill two 515 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 2: way type guys. Yeah, he's that. That was a that 516 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 2: was an excellent thing. 517 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 5: You're coming into UH to the Key of Center on 518 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 5: Sunday night. We're going to recognize you as part of 519 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 5: the thirty fifth anniversary. I'm looking back now, you're still 520 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 5: in the top ten for US in games played three 521 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 5: pointers made. Talk about your nine years here in Orlando, 522 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 5: I mean, that was the majority of your mgree. Did 523 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 5: you ever think it would last that long? Being in Orlando? 524 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 5: With all the things that I mean, you saw a 525 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 5: ton of different versions of this magic team. 526 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 2: Thing? Was always you? Given that I was given that 527 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 2: I was traded after my first year. I didn't think 528 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,360 Speaker 2: that I was going to be any place for nine years. Yeah. 529 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 2: Number one. When I think back about that, in that era, 530 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 2: no one really you never really heard about tanking, right, 531 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 2: Tanking wasn't like a concept. 532 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 5: It was a much better it was a much better 533 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 5: time pat for that. 534 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 2: So if you look at the moves of that team, 535 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 2: that was the that was kind of why I came 536 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 2: in at the final bend of the breakdown of the 537 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 2: shack Penny at g Anderson era. That was the original tank. 538 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 2: But that was a tank, like let's call it what 539 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 2: it is, and it was a tank gone wrong. Yeah, exactly. 540 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 2: The funny thing was was like they didn't know how, 541 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 2: Like they just thought O games is of course, Gabe 542 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 2: and the front office though you know, we're just gonna 543 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 2: get players. These are cheap contracts, you know, rookies, and 544 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 2: we'll have a bunch of capspids for next summer. And 545 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 2: didn't realize how good Ben Wallace was. Didn't realize like 546 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 2: how but guess how would you like how Georgiohn she 547 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 2: was going to be Darryl Armstrong, you know, how how 548 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 2: good of a coach in his first year and having 549 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 2: never coached at Doc Rivers was going to be just 550 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 2: in terms of how he first of all get motivated everyone, 551 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 2: how creative he was, and how he wanted to play 552 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 2: That team went forty one and forty one and so yeah, 553 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 2: of anything that you know, those so those first you know, 554 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 2: four years and obviously playing with McGrady and Grant. What 555 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 2: I remember about that obviously playing with you know, two 556 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 2: of the greatest players that ever played. The disappointment a 557 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 2: lot of times just with Grant and not him just 558 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 2: not being like just such a good person and good 559 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 2: player and not ever being able to be you know, 560 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 2: healthy in Orlando. And then you know there was obviously 561 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 2: like two or three really rough years in between the air, 562 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 2: but then being with that next special group of players 563 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 2: right at the beginning of their career of jumiir Dwight cheto, 564 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 2: you know, JJ and I wish I wish was able 565 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 2: to hang out one more year. I would have been 566 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 2: able to go to the finals. Yeah, we would have 567 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 2: been playing. 568 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: Just one more year. 569 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 2: Think about that. 570 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 4: You know what's interesting to me what I'm hearing is 571 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 4: you don't have to take because they got guys in here. 572 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 4: You went forty one to forty one, and then the 573 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 4: next year at Tracy McGrady and Grant Hill and potentially 574 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 4: almost Tim Dunkt. 575 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 5: Is that's all you have to do, though, Dante's you'd 576 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 5: have to add Tracy McGrady and grand Hill. 577 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 2: That's true, Oh that's true. 578 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 4: But did you what you know we hear about the 579 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 4: media's perception right of putting that heart and hustle team together. 580 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 4: What was your perception when you came in. Did you think, 581 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 4: also seventeen wins, what what this team was going to 582 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 4: look like? Or was there a certain point in training 583 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 4: camp or preseason we thought, man, we might have something here. 584 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 2: Honestly, Dante I was too young and probably dumb in 585 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 2: terms of like the NBA, would you even have like 586 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 2: good explications because more than who's this amateur? Guys that 587 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 2: just said who's amateur? Well, the well, the you go 588 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 2: back and look at the training camp roster. That's the 589 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 2: other thing they were like we started with like twenty 590 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 2: five guys, you know, Chris Galley and Arwn Hill. Charles 591 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 2: Obannon was there, like I forget what urge from? Yeah? Yeah, good? 592 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 2: No what you when you're the I think the reality 593 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 2: is And probably veteran players had other expectations. But you know, 594 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 2: I was going into my second year, I wasn't even 595 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 2: thinking about what the record was going to be. I 596 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 2: was thinking about, like, am I going to be able 597 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 2: to like get on the floor and carve out an 598 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 2: inch for myself and like survive in the NBA. So 599 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 2: I at no point in that year, I think until 600 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 2: later in the year where we were like in the mix, 601 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 2: were was anyone? I mean I at least wasn't even 602 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 2: thinking about the playoffs fair enough enough for that. 603 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,959 Speaker 1: I can't tank with a bunch of tryhards. 604 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 6: I mean, I mean the Bowl outlaw and. 605 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 2: A tanking roster, I'd be come on, now, that was 606 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 2: that was? That was? That was? It had a fatal flaw. 607 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 2: I think problem player. Well by only as you play. 608 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 4: You played all eighty two games bad, So that's not 609 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 4: That's how it's remarkable, right, I mean those days are gone, 610 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 4: by the way, eighty two games don't happen anymore. No, no, right, Well, 611 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 4: last thing that you're going to be coming into town, 612 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 4: as George said, you're going to be recognized here in Arito. 613 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,959 Speaker 1: We got a fall, we got a gala coming up. 614 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: We got a fun couple of days with you here 615 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: in town. But from a family side, I know you're 616 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: a proud papa too, right. You got Henry On following 617 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: in dead footsteps right at your all the water. 618 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 2: Let everybody know what it acts. 619 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 5: Unbelievable that that's a real story. 620 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. So so our son Hendrick, who was born in 621 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 2: Orlando two thousand and five, both football and a basketball 622 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 2: player growing up, really fell in love with football and 623 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 2: added opportunity, you know, pretty decent opportunities mid mid major 624 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 2: service academies to go and play and and then also 625 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 2: at for third walk on opportunities at Notre Dame and 626 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 2: a couple other Power five type schools, and you know, 627 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 2: we talked about it. I think, you know, for him, 628 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 2: like being associated with the Notre Dame program and the 629 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 2: education that you get from Notre Dame and just being 630 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 2: able to be part of that was worth it, even 631 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 2: though he you know, you're stepping into the deep end 632 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 2: of the pool. So he's just finished up his freshman year, 633 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 2: walk on tight end at Notre Dame, doing fantastic in school. 634 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 2: That's great. Would have we thought about bringing him down, 635 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,479 Speaker 2: but he's like, I got now, we got lefts on Monday, 636 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 2: so I will be able to make it best for 637 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 2: a boarding left. So I'm like, that's a good excuse. 638 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 2: That's a good excuse. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that. 639 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 2: But it's gotta be cool watch on it. You get 640 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 2: to relive. 641 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you went to the games a lot, 642 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: and it's gotta be o for you to be a 643 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: part of that environment. 644 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 2: Oh it's great. Yeah, no, it really has, and I do. 645 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 2: He's stayed in touch with the school and gone back 646 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 2: for a couple of games. But this is this has 647 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 2: created a whole new reason to be even even more 648 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 2: engaged and go back more. And it's a great, great place, 649 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:40,479 Speaker 2: all right, beat Well, thanks so much. 650 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 4: It's always great to catch up with you, and good 651 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 4: luck the rest of the way. We're gonna have a 652 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 4: fun weekend. But as you kind of work your way 653 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 4: through the NBA and get back with the team, it's 654 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 4: gonna be fun to watch. Keep up the great work 655 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 4: on television and we'll catch. 656 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 2: Up soon, all right. Great, be with you, guys, daith 657 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 2: dots do if we listen this for you, don't worry 658 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 2: about it. You're all sack. Put it a good word 659 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 2: with you, put it in a good word with the 660 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 2: sideline reporter and uh part time play by play guy. Perfect. 661 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 4: It's a option d on play by play. That's right, 662 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 4: all right, That would do it for this edition of 663 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 4: Magic Pod Squad. We'll see it next time.