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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up,

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Speaker 1: straight Fire, fam, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire for Thursday,

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Speaker 1: March tenth. We are in the throes of March madness

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Speaker 1: and this is gonna be a fantastic podcast. Little college basketball,

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Speaker 1: a dollop of NBA. Yes, I've got to talk about

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Speaker 1: the Lakers, lost of the Rockets, a little NFL, a

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Speaker 1: little more than a little NFL. But the highlight is

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Speaker 1: an interview with the guy who wrote the book on

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Speaker 1: Showtime that turned into the TV show on HBO Winning Time,

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Speaker 1: The Rise of the Lakers Dynasty. I know you guys

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Speaker 1: have watched it. I talked about it. Jeff Perlman wrote

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Speaker 1: the book. Here's the cool thing. Perlman wrote the book

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Speaker 1: in two eight years later, it becomes a TV show,

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Speaker 1: and the numbers for the first episode were good. I mean,

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Speaker 1: almost double of what another popular HBO show did in

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Speaker 1: its first episode of season one, Euphoria. Um. It was

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Speaker 1: just a great season opener. It's about Magic Johnson the Lakers,

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Speaker 1: so I'm obviously all about it, and I hope you

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Speaker 1: guys like the interview. It's similar to what we had

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Speaker 1: last week. And again I don't always peg the interviews.

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Speaker 1: When we get big numbers for certain guys, it's like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: topic we need to drill down on and explore a

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Speaker 1: little more. And your reaction to the bel Air interview

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Speaker 1: from Salam was was good. We've had him on before,

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Speaker 1: but the topic and the subject matter was a little

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Speaker 1: the listens were big. So we're gonna hope for the

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Speaker 1: same with this winning Time show. And you know, Perlman

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Speaker 1: is a good guy. He's written a ton of books

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Speaker 1: interesting character and character is the right word, as you'll

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Speaker 1: find out in the interview. But before we get to

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Speaker 1: Jeff Perlman, a couple of items. I want us to

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Speaker 1: open with Lebron, but I'm contractually religated to open with

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Speaker 1: the NFL and another massive trade. It's like, you guys,

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Speaker 1: remember that gambling story and Calvin Ridley feels like good

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Speaker 1: disgraces months ago. So Tuesday, the story is Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: I said, Carson Wentz and Tampa makes a hell of

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Speaker 1: a lot of sense, right, I outlined it. Bruce Arians

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Speaker 1: You know, I thought Arians would be happy he got Brady,

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Speaker 1: he got a super Bowl, but you know, Arian wants

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Speaker 1: a lot of credit. You know, Arians is like, hey,

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Speaker 1: come on, a lot of guys had their hand in that.

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Speaker 1: That's a direct quote. I'm not making that up. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: He doesn't go after Carson Wentz, who's really a broken quarterback,

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Speaker 1: slash former cult the Washington Commanders and in what in

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Speaker 1: what was a deal that has been universally panned as

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Speaker 1: Washington Commanders get Carson Wentz and the Colts in return

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Speaker 1: Washington also gives up. I'm sorry, Washington gets Wentz and

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Speaker 1: But the real number here is twenty eight. And why

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Speaker 1: all twenty eight million dollars. They're paying him twenty eight

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Speaker 1: Why is that number? Big mahomes is at forty, Josh

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Speaker 1: Two years ago, the Eagles were so sick of car

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Speaker 1: offload Carson Wentz. They were like, please get him the

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Speaker 1: the former Texas quarterback or whomever. But bottom line is

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Speaker 1: we are not going to battle with Carson Wentz next season.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of questions about leadership. So just put

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Speaker 1: a weak division now, Sam Ellinger and ain't won a division.

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Speaker 1: But the Tennessee Titans are gonna progress. Folks. Go look

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Speaker 1: the Colts have money and Chris Ballard I like a lot.

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Speaker 1: He's creative. I think they've got some options. I'm not

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna just toss this. These other two out there.

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Speaker 1: you as an East Coast guy, but a lot of

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Speaker 1: your stuff has been on baseball, a lot of East Coast.

422
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Speaker 1: I know you did a book on the Cowboys, but

423
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 1: you know, how did you get an interest to do

424
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Speaker 1: in in Lakers in showtime where you do a Magic

425
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 1: Johnson guy? Growing up, I was a kid growing up

426
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 1: in New York who loved the New Jersey nets and

427
00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 1: the nets are terrible. So what I remember like for

428
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 1: me special appointment viewing as a kid was you know,

429
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Speaker 1: It's Sunday and we're live from the Forum in Inglewood

430
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Speaker 1: where the Boston Celtics with Larry Bird are visiting Magic

431
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 1: Johnson and the Los Angeles Lakers, and they do this

432
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 1: shop they zoom in and first you see the outside

433
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 1: of Forum in their show, like Manhattan Beats and the

434
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 1: palm trees and the zoom in and you see the

435
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 1: Laker girls, and you see Jack Nicholson and Diane Cannon

436
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 1: sit in courtside. Uh, and just Magic Johnson and those

437
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 1: cool uniforms and the purple and gold and Kareem with

438
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 1: the goggles, and it just was kind of magical to me.

439
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: It really was like appointment of viewing me little kid

440
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: sitting in front of my TV and little tiny Mayo

441
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 1: Pack New York. And it just always stuck with me,

442
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 1: like it really did. It always stuck with me. And

443
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 1: when I was thinking of book ideas, um, number one,

444
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 1: the team is iconic. Number two, the book hadn't really

445
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 1: been done. And number three, you're always looking for characters,

446
00:22:55,600 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 1: and Magic, Kareem Riley are definitive characters. And I didn't

447
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 1: even think of it at the time, but Jerry Buss

448
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: is really a definitive character. So it just made for

449
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: a really good book. But it wasn't It wasn't like

450
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: I had longed to write it. Now as someone who

451
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: has not read the book, that's shame on me. One

452
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,959
Speaker 1: of the first questions, what I'm watching this is like, wow, um,

453
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: you know Jerry Buss, Playboy Mansion. Uh, these guys acting like,

454
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: what was the show? Was it Madman? Um? You didn't

455
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 1: watch Badman? Hey, John Hamm, that's it? Yeah? And like

456
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: the guys treating the women like that, and like I

457
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 1: had no idea. It was really like that. I am

458
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Speaker 1: curious how much is direct from the book into the

459
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Speaker 1: show and how much Hollywood liberty was taken. It's kind

460
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: of you know, like a lot of the stuff from

461
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: the show in the show, it's from the book and

462
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: a lot of it straight from the book. And then

463
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: what I always say, because it's I actually I swear

464
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: to God not joking. Before I like five minutes ago,

465
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: I was talking to my wife and I was like,

466
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Speaker 1: I I'm beaten down promoting the show because you always

467
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: get asked that question, right, and it's a very fair

468
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 1: question to ask. I do not mind it. I don't

469
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: love it, but I get it because as a journalist,

470
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: facts facts, facts, fact facts facts, and you're always verifying.

471
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 1: And it is an uncomfortable transition to having a TV

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Speaker 1: show based on your book and from from I mean,

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Speaker 1: name a sports movie or TV show from forty two

474
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: two We are Marshal to Friday Night Lights. All these

475
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: shows based on actual events, They all stretch the truth,

476
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 1: like they all stretch the truth. Remember The Titans is

477
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: a preposterous stretching of the truth. Yes, I went to

478
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: high school in Northern Virginia, very very stretched. They're all

479
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 1: stretchings of the truth. But a great movie, A phenomenal movie, exactly.

480
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: And I think Anytime is great television. I really do.

481
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 1: I think great television. But it's not a documentary. And

482
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: when people say to me, I didn't realize that blah

483
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah, I'm like, well, some of that happened,

484
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: a lot of the spirit of it happened, but you

485
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: cannot use as a documentary. It's just a joyable time

486
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:06,479
Speaker 1: period informing enlightenment about the Lakers. The Norm Nixon Magic

487
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: Johnson scene, and I'm not going to spoil it for

488
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: anybody who hasn't seen it. How much of that is

489
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: fact and how much is fiction? Can you say? Or no? Zero?

490
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: So the party, the basketball, the one on one that

491
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: did not happen, Thank goodness. I was gonna say, there's

492
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: no way Magic Johnson would have stood for that crap. Now,

493
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: there was a lot of conflict between Norm next and

494
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Speaker 1: Magic Johnson. The Norm Nixon hated Magic Johnson's arrival, did

495
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: not like the Lakers drafted him, viewed himself as the

496
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: point guard. He was a kid with his chip, a

497
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: chip on his shoulder out of Duquine, who was it

498
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 1: was not a first round draft pick and had to battle, uh,

499
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: you know, and fight fight, and they bring in the

500
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,199
Speaker 1: guy and it really did get under his skin and

501
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 1: there was a lot of resentment and he wasn't very

502
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Speaker 1: nice to Magic at first. So again that's kind of

503
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 1: the hollywoodization of a story. And you know, so I've

504
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 1: been asked that one a lot and I'm like, yeah,

505
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: it didn't happen. That doesn't mean it's a bad scene

506
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: for a TV show, right, it was a great great

507
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: Is that a New York Jet shirt? It is? I'm

508
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 1: a New York Jets fan, born in New York. Yes,

509
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: I grew up a hard Jets fan. Yeah, well you

510
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: are you pivoted? Huh? I just stopped rooting. But it's yeah,

511
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: it's tough. We got Zack Wilson. We're on the come up.

512
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: But anyway, back to the show real quick. So, okay,

513
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Speaker 1: when you write the book, can you say how much

514
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Speaker 1: cooperation you got from some of the major parties in

515
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: the book. Did you get a lot of cooperation? I did,

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00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: like a ton. I mean, I interviewed three people. I

517
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: interviewed almost all the Lakers, but I didn't get Cream

518
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: and Magic. So but the thing is, I always say this,

519
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: and I think some people think I'm full of crap,

520
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: but I'm really not. Um from West Matthews to Michael Thompson,

521
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: to Billy Thompson, to Mark Landsberger to Kurt Rambis blah blah, like,

522
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: those guys were there too, and they were there just

523
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 1: as much as Magic and kareem like they were there.

524
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: They were in the same meetings, in the same locker rooms.

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Speaker 1: All the assistant coaches, all the ball boys, all the trainers,

526
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Speaker 1: all the PR people. They were all there. The difference

527
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: is they have not been asked it a million times.

528
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: So if you can give me like I went up,

529
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: West Matthews was magic backup point guard doing much of

530
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: that period. I went to Bridgeport, Connecticut to sit down

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Speaker 1: with West Matthews. It was one of the best two

532
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: hours I've ever spent in my life as far as

533
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: information and learning. I'm going to get more from West

534
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: Matthews about his time with the Lakers than I would

535
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: from Magic about that same that was everything to West Matthews. Right,

536
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: he will probably remember every detail, and Magic probably remembers

537
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: a third of them. Right. I'd love that you say that.

538
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: My philosophy has always been I used this as an example,

539
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: like I wrote a Brett five biography, the free agent

540
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: running Back out of buck Now, who was in camp

541
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: with the Packers for three weeks. He's gonna remember every

542
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: single interaction he ever had with Brett five. Brett Fire

543
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: will have no memory of ever being with the buck

544
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: Now running Back. Yeah. I mean I interviewed Brady Tom

545
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: Brady twice. I remember it like it was yesterday. There's

546
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: zero chance he would remember that I interviewed the guy

547
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: like twice fifteen years ago. That's probably I like the

548
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: strategy you have. He called me just now he said

549
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: he heard I was going on your show and he

550
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: was exciting. Yes, obviously. Um so I guess when I

551
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: talk about or think about, who would cooperate. I am

552
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: very curious Geni Bus because, um, I don't want to

553
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: say it's a negative ish portrayal of her dad. Um

554
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: he comes off cool to me, But I don't know

555
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 1: if that's how you'd want your dad portrayed in an

556
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: Hatesbo show. I mean, um, I've known Jennie for a

557
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 1: long time and Jeanne is one of my favorite people

558
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: on the planet. I don't know how she feels about

559
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: the show. She hasn't really communicated with me about it. Um,

560
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: I get it. I do get it. Lakers aren't involved

561
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: in it. I think the portrayal of Jerry Boss, I mean,

562
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: he was a playboy. That is a fact. So and

563
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: even Genie admits that she's not high from that. Like,

564
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: he was a playboy, he loved dating very young women. Um,

565
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: that doesn't take away from anything, but I think, yeah,

566
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: he was cool, and the portrayal of him by John

567
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: c Riley, I just think it's on point. And also

568
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: he's a visionary, Like Jerry Buss is a visionary, He's

569
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: an NBA a visionary. The NBA you see before you

570
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: today exists in the form it does because of Jerry Bush.

571
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: Seeing me at basketball is more seeing it as an entertainment.

572
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: So to me, the overall portrayal of him and Magic

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00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: and even Kareem is incredibly warm. Jerry West. I gotta

574
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: be honest, Um, I'm I'm shocked that he was this

575
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: much of an asshole. I had no clue. Um, you know,

576
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: first of all, did you talk to him for this?

577
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: And how do how do you think he's coming off

578
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: in the show. So I talked to him for the book,

579
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: and I love the guy and he's not an asshole.

580
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: To be clear, this is very important. Jerry West is

581
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: not an asshole. You would never meet anyone who thinks

582
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: he's an asshole. He is hyper competitive, like hyper hyper competitive.

583
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: I always say the two guys, I think of our

584
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: Jerry West and Billy being the former h GM where

585
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,479
Speaker 1: they cannot enjoy the lows bring them down much more

586
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: than the highs raise them up. I think that's Jerry

587
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: West in a nutshell. So I really think what they

588
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: were trying to portray in the show is that intensity

589
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: and that inability to sort of sees the moment in

590
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: joy the moment. Also, factually, Jerry West was against the

591
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: drafting of Magic Johnson, as was Chick Hearn. They all

592
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: thought he was too tall, the ball was gonna come

593
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: up too high. All these small point guards in the

594
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: NBA at the time, there were no Kevin Durants and

595
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: the NBA at that point bringing basketball's so they were

596
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: concerned about it, and the guy they wanted to draft,

597
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: Sydney Montcreef out of Arkansas, was a great basketball player,

598
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: not a good basketball player, a great basketball player. So

599
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: it's not a crazy argument for him to make we

600
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: should be drafting Sydney Montcreef. I am curious, and a

601
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: lot of people, I'm sure are going to be asking, uh,

602
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: your next book that you released not to move on

603
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: from Showtime yet was Three Ring Circus with Kobe Shack

604
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: Phil Jackson. And you know, obviously there's a lot of

605
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: rumors that the success so far of Showtime, you know,

606
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: with Winning Winning Time, I'd see I see a story here.

607
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: Almost one million viewers um for for the premier I mean,

608
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: that's practically double what Euphoria did for its first season.

609
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: And Euphoria I think it's a good show. I don't

610
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 1: know if you've seen it or not. WoT zero episodes. Okay,

611
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: do you have kids? I do. My daughter likes that.

612
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: I know she really your daughter likes it, And you're oh, wow, okay, alright, yeah.

613
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like, this is if you have

614
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: a daughter, you this is mandatory viewing. And I have

615
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: a kid who's my daughter's only nine. Uh, and it's

616
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: just freaking me in the wife out badly. Um. But anyway,

617
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: like Winning Time, that was a ringing endorsement for me

618
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: watching that show. No, you need to, dude, I mean

619
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: you have to, like I I feel like you just

620
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: have a like. I have no clue how bad it

621
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: is out there. And obviously this is that shows dramatized

622
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: for for Cable and it's working. Well. My daughter knows

623
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: nothing bad. I'm not hearing anything you say. My daughter

624
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: is the perfect chime season angel of course. Um so

625
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: what about the follow up a season two with Kobe Chatt?

626
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: What are you? What are you putting? The chances of

627
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: that happening are all right? So it actually it's interesting

628
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: the writing of season too right now, but it's not

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Speaker 1: the first season. So my book Showtime was seventy nine.

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00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: There was Magic's arrival through the HIV announcement. Uh. The

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Speaker 1: season of Winning Time is jeff So this season, jeff

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Speaker 1: So the next season further progression of my book, my

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Speaker 1: first book. And I think the idea, I mean a

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Speaker 1: lot of things would have to go right. The idea

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Speaker 1: would be, if this goes well and the viewership stays

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Speaker 1: on eventually you transition into a check Kobe show by

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Speaker 1: season three or whatever. Wow. So I didn't even realize

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Speaker 1: this winning time is just one year out of your book. Uh. Interesting? UM,

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Speaker 1: I am curious. How how was James worthy to deal

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Speaker 1: with He's I feel like he's really himming it up

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Speaker 1: lately to try to Um. I don't know if go

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Speaker 1: virals the right word, but try. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you've seen him on spectrum out here, He's just killing

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Speaker 1: the Lakers every night, and I'm like, dude, really, I

645
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Speaker 1: kind of love him. I think number one, the Lakers

646
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: are a joke. I mean it is really funny. Quit joke. Waity,

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Speaker 1: wait wait, I want to say something. I'm being serious

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Speaker 1: about this. You're wearing the Jet shirt, so this works out.

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00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: You and I grew up New York Jet fans. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure for you and I. It is laughable to see

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00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: the Laker fans complaining about a team that's hovering like

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00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: a little under five two years after winning an NBA title,

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Speaker 1: Like neither you and I. We haven't had a Super

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00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: Bowl in our lifetime never, so it is funny. I

655
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: do think this Laker team is one of the worst

656
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Speaker 1: constructed NBA things I've seen a long time. It's a

657
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: terribly constructive team. It's just like catastrophe of poor judgment.

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Speaker 1: Four pieces. You had really good pieces, you let them

659
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Speaker 1: go okay, But it's kind of a joke. So I

660
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Speaker 1: do understand it, and I do think obviously Worthy Worthy's

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Speaker 1: playing for yachs a little bit, and he's playing for

662
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Speaker 1: the crowd in the YouTube, in the retweets. I do

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Speaker 1: think it is refreshing though to hear a guy who

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Speaker 1: is employed technically by the team to being bloods about

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Speaker 1: it and blunt assessments. It's kind of nice so that

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Speaker 1: he was great to deal with in the book, like fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Regarding the book, any I guess after it came out,

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Speaker 1: did anybody come after you and be like, dude, how

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Speaker 1: the hell could you do that to me? You did

670
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Speaker 1: me dirty on pissed? Anybody get angry? I feel like

671
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Speaker 1: that that happens maybe more in sports than than out otherwise. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: nobody did the Genie Buss again. I love Jennie Buss,

673
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: and she told me she loved the book. Glynda Amma's

674
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Speaker 1: loved the book. The Lakers I talked to you love

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Speaker 1: the book and my magic I never heard from Riley

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Speaker 1: and never heard from I never heard from But the

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Speaker 1: overall take was really really positive and also, like I

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Speaker 1: just think, Um, the book came out basically two thousand fourteen,

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Speaker 1: so more than a decade and a half after the

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Speaker 1: run ended. I think for a lot of these guys,

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Speaker 1: it's nice to be remembered again and to be talked

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Speaker 1: about again and to have you know, time moves on

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Speaker 1: for all of us. So it was very positive. Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation.

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Speaker 1: Catch all of our shows at Fox Sports Radio dot

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Speaker 1: s R to listen live. I kind of want to

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Speaker 1: pivot to baseball, if that's okay, just for a second,

689
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Speaker 1: because I know you're a big baseball guy, and listen,

690
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: things could happen quickly, but right now it's looking very

691
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Speaker 1: bleak from Major League Baseball with this lockout and both

692
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: sides a lot of greed everywhere. Being that you have

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Speaker 1: a huge based all background, Jeff, I I gotta ask,

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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on one, what's happening in baseball

695
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: right now? I am actually genuinely horrified. Um, I don't

696
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Speaker 1: cover the game anymore regularly, but I covered it for

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Speaker 1: a long time. That's why I always saying I take

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Speaker 1: my son, Emmett. My son, Emmitt is a is a

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Speaker 1: high school sophomore, and we go to a decent number

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Speaker 1: of Angels games because not that far away tickets achieved thing.

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Speaker 1: He has no friends who followed Major League Baseball, like none.

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00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 1: Kids don't follow mejor leage baseball. Sure some guys will

703
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Speaker 1: listen and say, oh, my nephew loves but it's rare

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00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: because they're Baseball is competing against the immediacy of the NBA,

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Speaker 1: the immediacy of the NFL, and the immediacy of phones. Right,

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Speaker 1: you're killing yourself like you have. You're losing your audience

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Speaker 1: by the day even without this in action, And I

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Speaker 1: just think it is sets a lack of awareness on

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Speaker 1: the part of baseball on both sides. How in trouble

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Speaker 1: your sport is that the NHL now is not that

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Speaker 1: far behind Major League Baseball? It really isn't. I just

712
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: think baseball and people say, oh, the money, you know,

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Speaker 1: the sALS in the income of the earnings. People just

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Speaker 1: don't give a crap about the game anymore. And you

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Speaker 1: know what I said, this some man the other day.

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Speaker 1: So I'm forty nine. When I was growing up, I

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Speaker 1: hate to be the old man. But when I was

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Speaker 1: growing up, let's say baseball's hundred best player was Greg

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Speaker 1: Nettles the Yankees third basement. We'll just say, right, he

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Speaker 1: was more famous in his time than Mike trout is

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Speaker 1: right now in America. Like in America, nobody recognizes Mike.

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Speaker 1: Mike child goes to New York City right now, is

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Speaker 1: wearing street clothes, walks around at best five out of

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Speaker 1: a hundred know who my child is. He is the

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Speaker 1: best player baseball, one of the best players ever. That's

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Speaker 1: the alarm major League Baseball. But there's no quick fix

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Speaker 1: for that. There. Wow, I can tell you what doesn't

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Speaker 1: really want to be marketed, right. I know, but it

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Speaker 1: used to be, Oh my god, come see Mike Trail, right,

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Speaker 1: come see my child. My child is the best player

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Speaker 1: in baseball. This is a generational player. Comes see him.

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Speaker 1: And people are not responding to that anymore at all,

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Speaker 1: And I'm not I don't know what the solution is.

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Speaker 1: I think they need to really think openly about having

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Speaker 1: more interactive game experience. I were saying to someone the

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Speaker 1: other day what does that mean? Interactive. I'll give you

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Speaker 1: an idea and you're gonna be like, that's terrible, but

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Speaker 1: maybe you won't. I stay with my son of these games,

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Speaker 1: and we always talk about this, you know how, Like

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Speaker 1: this just an example, you know how, like at the game,

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Speaker 1: every pitch looks say where the pitch was, right, slider,

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Speaker 1: fastball on the scoreboard after the pitch. Baseball would be

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Speaker 1: wise to do something like have an app on your phone.

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Speaker 1: If you guess ten pitches in a row, you go

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Speaker 1: win a hot talk, right, because on your phone, go

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Speaker 1: win a hot talk. They would be wise to mike

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Speaker 1: different players per inning and you can listen on your

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Speaker 1: phone and listen to Mike Trout talking to an app.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's Mike and you can listen. Like there

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Speaker 1: is no engagement in baseball, and the NBA is the

751
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: exact opposite. The NBA is so interactive. It feels interactive.

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Speaker 1: It's immediate. You know the players, you see the players

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Speaker 1: um and I just think baseball lacks any sort of

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Speaker 1: force whatever, and it's really hurting that sport. Is it

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Speaker 1: one of those things? Jeff, By the way, I do

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Speaker 1: not hate Idea'd be open to anything like that that

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Speaker 1: sounds fun and new? Um, is there anything to you know?

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00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: Sixty years ago seventy years ago, like boxing, right, and

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00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: horse racing and baseball were like the top sports in

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Speaker 1: America nobody cares about, but nobody knows who the heavyweight

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Speaker 1: champion is right now? Right, horse racing? I mean, come on,

762
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: and baseball is kind of fading. This stuff is all cyclical?

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Speaker 1: Is it not? Like football in the eighties? Jeff, The

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00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: NFL was not king in the eighties, but the end

765
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Speaker 1: of it was still big in the eighties, big, but

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Speaker 1: it was nothing like it is today today. It's so

767
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: far ahead of everything that it's like wow, but it

768
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: ultimately will fade, right, you know, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: wish this uppon anybody, but the head injuries, the CTE,

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Speaker 1: that stuff's only gonna get worse. I don't disagree with you.

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Speaker 1: I don't see how the psychle of baseball improves. Like

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Speaker 1: I just said, all right, number one, it's like incredibly

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Speaker 1: not diverse sport and it has gotten worse and worse

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Speaker 1: and worse. It's just not and like baseball in baseball,

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Speaker 1: I live in southern California, Okay, I live in an

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Speaker 1: area where you see parents spending three dollars on the

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Speaker 1: bat for their kid on the newest cleats on the

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00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: newest club has become prohibitively expensive. And you never see

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Speaker 1: fields in the inner city. You never see sandlots in

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Speaker 1: the inner city. You never see anyone playing sick ball

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00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: in the inner city. If I'm a young African American

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00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: kid and I turn on a Major League game, I

783
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: might see two black players. Maybe, you know, like, it

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00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: is not diverse at all. It is expensive. Um, and

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Speaker 1: I just and it's boring, Like for not for me,

786
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: I love watching baseball, but it is boring, and we

787
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: just move. We live now in a fast paced society

788
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Speaker 1: that doesn't have time to watch a three and a

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Speaker 1: half hour game. And you know what the problem is

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Speaker 1: also last thing, it's like, come see Mike Trout, Come

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Speaker 1: see my trout. You come might see my trout. You'll

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00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: see him hit four times, and you'll see him cats

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00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 1: three baseballs. You go see Lebron James, you go see

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00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. They're involved in almost every play. Yeah, now

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Speaker 1: it's a good point, I will say. You know, I

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Speaker 1: hope my Dodgers fans friends don't get upset with this,

797
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: But like we go to a Dodgers game, it's like,

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Speaker 1: oh cool, you get there early, it's exciting, and then

799
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Speaker 1: by like the fifth inning, you start to eyeball, Okay,

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Speaker 1: when can we get out of here? Because the traffic

801
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: at Dodger Stadium is awful And if you don't leave early,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, honestly, Jeff, I'm like, a seventh inning, let's

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Speaker 1: let's bail. You know, I gotta work tomorrow. Let's just

804
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: go early. Like staying to the end is a disaster,

805
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: and and that's not a good mindset. I don't always

806
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Speaker 1: think like that with like NBA games or NFL and

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Speaker 1: the other thing. It's kind of weird about that. I

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Speaker 1: love going to Dodger Stadium, like I love Dodger Stadium. Yeah,

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00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: the vibe there's awesome, incredible, right, but think about that,

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Speaker 1: how interesting that is the number one reason I would

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Speaker 1: go to a Dodger game, and probably you would go

812
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Speaker 1: to a Dodge game, is because the vibe the Dodger

813
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: Stadium is really cool. It's not so I can go

814
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: see Clayton Cursop Hitch or Dustin Turner played third basis

815
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: because the place is cool. And then the Instagram photos

816
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: with the sunset and the bad it just looks awesome,

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00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: you know. But in the NFL, I'm going to see

818
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Brown because I want to see Myles Garrett

819
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Speaker 1: play football, you know, I want to see Lebron play basketball.

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Speaker 1: There's no in baseball, even Mike Trout, who I would

821
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Speaker 1: go to a game just to see him hit four times.

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Speaker 1: Luca donche was coming in town to play the Lakers,

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Speaker 1: I think two weeks ago, and I said to my

824
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: friend who has season tickets, like, how do I angle

825
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: for these tickets? We gotta go. I gotta see Luca

826
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: and just watching the guy, I don't know if you're

827
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: a big Luca Donchees fan. I mean, Jeff, he is incredible.

828
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: Like the way he was calling for the pick. I

829
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Speaker 1: want to go at Lebron with like three minutes left

830
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: in a close game and we just take Lebron and

831
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Speaker 1: score on him. And it's like, oh my gosh. I

832
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, Maybe that's just I just

833
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: love basketball. I played, you know, a couple of times

834
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Speaker 1: a week. But also, how much are you playing any

835
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: Beer League baseball? Yeah? No, I play Saturday morning pick

836
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: up hoops? Oh do you okay? And that's out there

837
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: in Orange County. Yeah, you're welcome to come play indoor,

838
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: outdoor outdoors. Come on, man, Okay, you're not playing indoors

839
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: huh not just outdoor? Okay, Yeah, I guess I'm a

840
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Speaker 1: little risk to risk risky. I'm I'm doing. I've been

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Speaker 1: going to Jim again. I've rejoined the gym. I just

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Speaker 1: haven't played an outdoor league. I've played outdoor league. Interesting note,

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Speaker 1: it's a regular meet up. I'm what's Jeff Rolman's game

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Speaker 1: and pick up basketball? Jeff Roman game is traditional low post,

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Speaker 1: low post. Are you're not even like six too, are you? Oh? Are?

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Speaker 1: You actually post? A lot of little shaking based a

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Speaker 1: lot of hook shots. But you know, I'm fifty, I'm

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Speaker 1: almost fifty years old. So it's a lot more picks.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot more rebounding boxing out than it used

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Speaker 1: to be. But that's how you win, right, set screens,

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Speaker 1: talk on defense, you know, rotate like that's how we

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Speaker 1: went four? Note today, why don't we played? But nevertheless

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Speaker 1: I digress. All right, Jeff Perlman, you got to pick

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Speaker 1: up one of his many books. I don't know, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: do you have a favorite book? You probably gonna hate

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Speaker 1: that question. Uh maybe sweetness to Walter paid. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Cowboys book was pretty damn good. Boys will be boys.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you say so, the Clemons book would be.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be the asshole author who's like,

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Speaker 1: but my my Clemons book was my worst, so you

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Speaker 1: know not why do you say that it was rash?

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Speaker 1: It wasn't that good. He wasn't that interested. Huh Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I like the honesty. I like the candor how about

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Speaker 1: Brett Farve, by the way, I know that book. The

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Speaker 1: fine thing is I didn't want to write that book.

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Speaker 1: I wrote that book because I really wanted to do

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Speaker 1: a USFL book, and nobody would give me a USFL deal.

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Speaker 1: But Hot Mifflin Publishing House said, if you do five,

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Speaker 1: which I pitched as a side thing, we'll let you

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Speaker 1: do the USFL And I ended up loving the five experience,

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Speaker 1: like loving yeah. Wow. Alright, Jeff Perlman big time author

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Speaker 1: and now he's part of a TV show. What's the

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Speaker 1: what's the technical credit you get on Winning Time? I

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Speaker 1: get based on the book by Jeff perl No, no,

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Speaker 1: but I meant like on the screen, are you an

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Speaker 1: executive by Jeffrelman, No, this is based on the book.

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Speaker 1: I'm definitely not. Are you on the set at all

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Speaker 1: or anything like it was? And we have cameos in

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Speaker 1: the first you saw me without knowing in the first episode.

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Speaker 1: But shucks, where where at the Playboy mentioned? No, I

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Speaker 1: was you know the coin flip scene when they drop

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Speaker 1: the reporters show up in the Commissioner's office and I'm

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Speaker 1: one of the reporters now fumbling for the quarter under

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Speaker 1: the sofar with I was doing digging through my pocket

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Speaker 1: and I had I pulled my pen out of my

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Speaker 1: ear and the other My wife, Catherine, was the secretary

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Speaker 1: in the Chicago Bows office during the whole thing, and

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Speaker 1: she had a laugh. She was on the on the

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Speaker 1: screen at one point by herself laughing. Exciting, dude, that's fun.

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Speaker 1: It was great. Congrats on all your success, Jeff, and

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Speaker 1: keep up the good work man. Thanks Jason, appreciate