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Speaker 1: the record straight. We got a great show for you,

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Speaker 1: UFC two to eighty one, and a special guest just

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Speaker 1: The man next to me is probably the reason why

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Speaker 1: taken a pro fight and never will. It's Luke Thomas, right.

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Speaker 3: I know how shitty I am enough to know that

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Speaker 3: competing is not in my interest.

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Speaker 2: How is everyone doing on this Friday.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, we're not going to sell people anything

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Speaker 1: but a great show. And Luke, we have a fantastic guest,

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Speaker 1: in fact, one of the brightest coaching and broadcasting minds

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Speaker 1: in the sport of MMA today, a veteran of nine

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Speaker 1: trips to the Octagon. And how about this the co

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Speaker 1: host of Josh Cohen and the home team on ESPN

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Speaker 1: Radio in South Florida, the sartorial splendor Dean Thomas in

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Speaker 1: the building. Let's bring him right in, all live from

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Speaker 1: the Apex in Las Vegas. Do you know a pleasure

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Speaker 1: on our end of the microphone here, welcome to Morning Combat.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, it's a pleasure on my end. I'm

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Speaker 4: always excited to be joining, especially Luke. Like you said,

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Speaker 4: Luke is the man. So any chance I can get

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Speaker 4: to talk to my man, Luke, I'm in.

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Speaker 1: Yes, all, I'm like the scab on Luke Thomas's butthole.

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Speaker 1: But look, look, Dean, we're gonna get into UFC two

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Speaker 1: eighty one. We want to get your thoughts, of course,

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Speaker 1: on this women's straweight battle this Saturday night at the Apex.

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Speaker 1: But while I have you right here, man, your transition

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Speaker 1: ESPN broadcast, you chime in during fights. It's been fantastic

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Speaker 1: to see you got personality, you got style. How has

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Speaker 1: this been as a chapter two, you know, maybe three

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Speaker 1: in the great career of Dean Thomas Man.

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Speaker 4: It's been great, I tell you, because I've always thought

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Speaker 4: of myself as an artist and I like to express

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Speaker 4: myself and I don't do it in fighting. No more so.

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Speaker 4: The opportunity to get in front of a camera and

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Speaker 4: talk and just be a clown. It just I mean,

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Speaker 4: I don't want to work a real job. So like,

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Speaker 4: as long as I'm doing this, I'm good in life.

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Speaker 1: It's working. And Luke is here in the damn cage.

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Speaker 1: Are you in the Are you in the octagon?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: He is. He is in the damn cage. He is

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Speaker 2: there at the Apex.

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Speaker 3: He told me that they call him Sir Dean whenever

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Speaker 2: That true, Dean, No, that is not true.

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Speaker 4: They it depends on who I'm with, Like when I'm

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Speaker 4: you know, when I'm with a fighter, they call When

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Speaker 2: There it is.

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Speaker 1: Well, we we appreciate that you're willing to spend time

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Speaker 1: with the scumbag MMA media, but you might be part

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Speaker 1: Final turn here before we get into the goods though, Uh,

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Speaker 1: could you describe what you're trying to do in terms

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Speaker 4: Dean Thomas, Well, first off, let me say this. I

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Speaker 4: I know what you guys go through room, and I'm

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Speaker 1: Luke take the wheel. Let's lead this man into the

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Speaker 3: Right, so let's start with UFC two eighty one, Dean,

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Speaker 4: But the fact that Izzy called for this fight is

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Speaker 1: Well, Dean, there's no shortage in this matchup of you know, prestige.

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Speaker 1: It's Madison Square Garden. I mean, it still matters to

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Speaker 1: When you look at this matchup in your heart of hearts,

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Speaker 4: Point, I absolutely think it is just stylistically one. Like

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Speaker 4: I said before, the fact that he's beaten this man

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Speaker 4: We called him a quitter before, and then we said, no,

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Speaker 2: So dean?

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Speaker 3: In the second fight between them, here's what I noticed,

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Speaker 2: He doesn't have that.

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Speaker 3: Flashy kind of style all over the place. On the

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Speaker 2: What actually would be.

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Speaker 3: If you're saying that is he's going to be defensive,

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Speaker 3: And I think I'll switch no matter what. But do

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: I think that what's really gonna affect is Isy and

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Speaker 4: He's gonna have to move a lot, and I think

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Speaker 3: Okay, But help me understand why controlling the lead left

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Speaker 4: Now, I do think this by is gonna be a

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, on that note of what we don't

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Speaker 6: What concerns you the most as an admirer of what

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Speaker 4: You know, what everybody thinks is that he's wrestling. You know,

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Speaker 4: You know? Is he is a sharp shooter? And if

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Speaker 4: Like you know, he has a lot of combat experience,

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Speaker 2: Dean?

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Speaker 3: In terms of any changes to the style between how

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Speaker 4: You know, Luckily he hasn't been fighting too many grapplers, right,

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's changed too much. I don't think

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Speaker 4: But he is extremely folk on his craft and he's

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Speaker 3: But that seems to me like to miss what actually

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Speaker 4: It's just he's so accurate and he's so determined to

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Speaker 4: Like that was more buzz about the Pourier Chandler fight

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Speaker 4: Now I can understand why Wayley John and Carla Esparsa's

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Speaker 4: I don't understand why that one's not getting more buzz,

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Speaker 1: Uh, Deane, I think you dropped something. There was a

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Speaker 4: I mean pretty much, I think Wayley by anything she wants.

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Speaker 3: No, you don't think the champ has good enough wrestling

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Speaker 4: No, No, I think we in a wrestling match. In

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Speaker 3: Now you know Partier really well. Obviously you were at

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Speaker 1: I mean that sounds like that's not like a great

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Speaker 1: line for a title shot, specifically Chandler, who keeps pushing it.

434
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 1: So when you're saying Poorier needs to avoid that, are

435
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,920
Speaker 1: we going the level of a shoot? Are we going

436
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 1: the level of a takedown? How does Dustin Pourier avoid that?

437
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 1: When Michael Chandler's coming out guns blazing, Well.

438
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 4: He's gotta like he's gotta really avoid throwing punches early,

439
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 4: Like that's it. He can't. He's gotta be really defensive early,

440
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,880
Speaker 4: use his footwork and shell up early and not throw

441
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,200
Speaker 4: a lot of punches early and just be on defensive

442
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,400
Speaker 4: mode early. I mean, really, that's it. He can't really

443
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,440
Speaker 4: throw anything more than one punch at a time, probably

444
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,119
Speaker 4: just the jab and do that early. Because I'm telling you,

445
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 4: Chandler's coming hard, and we know this. Chandler is like,

446
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 4: you know what, let's stand and trade and bang because

447
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 4: that's what Chandler's mind is at right now. You know,

448
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 4: Chandler's crying, he talks the whole title stuff, but I

449
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,400
Speaker 4: don't think he cares about that. I think he's trying

450
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,400
Speaker 4: to make as much money, trying to build his fan

451
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 4: base up as much as he can hang out with

452
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,719
Speaker 4: Grant Cardone, hang do all the fun stuff. But I

453
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,439
Speaker 4: don't see I don't see him taking on, you know,

454
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 4: trying to pace himself to win a strategic battle and

455
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 4: fight a championship level fight. I don't see that happening

456
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,440
Speaker 4: now with Pourier Poor, he has shown some maturity over

457
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 4: the years. Like back in the day, Poitier would get

458
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 4: sucked up into these brawls, but he shows some maturity

459
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 4: over the years, and I think that he may be

460
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 4: able to show it. Continue to show that now.

461
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 3: All right, So Dean, if you're Dustin Poirier and your

462
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 3: job early is to not get caught, obviously you can't

463
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 3: just be entirely defensive, but you have to be much

464
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 3: more defensively minded. Let's look to the second round, maybe

465
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 3: even the beginning of the third, where it's really time

466
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,360
Speaker 3: to open up. Once it is time to open up,

467
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 3: what kind of openings does Chandler leave.

468
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 4: I mean, Chandler leaves a lot of openings. I mean

469
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 4: Chandler is not very defensive at all, and especially the

470
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,160
Speaker 4: older Chandler got, I think the more reckless he got.

471
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 4: He's not very defensive at all. And I think that Pourier,

472
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 4: especially if he if he starts using lay kicks and

473
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 4: beating up the legs of Chandler early, it's like that's

474
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 4: another strategy he can use the jab movement and lag kicks.

475
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 4: If he starts to do that earlier, he can get

476
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 4: Chandler to start reaching and start making a lot of

477
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 4: bad mistakes, because Chandler will make a lot of bad

478
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 4: mistakes as the later the fight gets. And that's kind

479
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 4: of historically been his thing, is that he makes a

480
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 4: lot of mistakes. If you look back, and even his

481
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 4: days of Belator, he don't he don't mind making mistakes

482
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 4: because he's normally able to compensate for the mistakes because

483
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 4: of how athletic and how fast and quick he is,

484
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 4: he can make some mistakes. But against a guy like Poitier,

485
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 4: who is a legit finisher, Let's let's face it. If

486
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 4: Pourier gets you hurt, he's gonna finish you. Let's let's

487
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 4: face that. If Pourier can just get him hurt, if

488
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 4: he can wear on him, you know, be defensive in

489
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,239
Speaker 4: the first round, second round, wear on him and hurt him,

490
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 4: then the third round he could put him away. But

491
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 4: if he can't get out of that first round without

492
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 4: getting hurt. Pier won't finish, How do youan?

493
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: That's my sorry, Look, that's my fair for for for DP.

494
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 1: Here is the mileage, obviously, when you're in so many wars,

495
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,719
Speaker 1: and so many of his great victories were fantastic wars,

496
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 1: right Max Hollow, Dan Hooker another sleepy five round war,

497
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: not to mention Gaegee Alvarez twice, so many of them.

498
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: Considering Look, I thought he was gonna go in there

499
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: and beat Charles Oliver, and that's a credit to the

500
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: run that Charles Oliver just put together. It became dramatic

501
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: and historical out of nowhere. But is there a way

502
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: to look back at the recent run and especially those

503
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: two McGregor fights for Poirier and wonder if there's a

504
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: little bit of fool's gold in there considering McGregor's long layoffs. Look,

505
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: he's not what he once was. To the idea that

506
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: at that point beating McGregor twice in a row coming

507
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: into the title shot, I'm like, this guy's a Hall

508
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: of Famer and all timer. He's in the pomp for pound.

509
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy is everything. He went in there

510
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: and he lost to Charles Oliver. Full respect when you're

511
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: putting two guys together who you know are gonna go

512
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 1: after it later in their career, which this matchup screams

513
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: that is there fear that Poorier's a little bit more

514
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 1: potentially shop worn than Chandler, and maybe more than we

515
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: realize entering this. I know it's a delicate subject, but

516
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: it's part of the breakdown looking into who's gonna be

517
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: the last man standing on these two throw I you

518
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 1: know what, I.

519
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 4: Don't think physically he's that much shopworn. I think they're

520
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 4: in training. He's done a really good job of protecting

521
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 4: himself and training and not doing these big hard camps

522
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 4: and you know, going back to Louisiana and just you know,

523
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 4: going rolling around with his buddies. I think he's done

524
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 4: a good enough job outside of the octagon of preserving

525
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 4: his body and not putting a lot of knowledge on it.

526
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 4: But mentally is where it really comes to play. I mean,

527
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 4: this guy's been doing us a long time, and I

528
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 4: think mentally that we don't factor that in sometimes. But

529
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 4: mentally fighters can just lose a little bit of steam.

530
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 4: They get older, they lose testosterone, They have families, they

531
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 4: have daughters, Like Poitier has a daughter, and early it's

532
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 4: easy to fight for her, but then eventually you're like,

533
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 4: you just want to be dad and go to and

534
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 4: you know, start dressing her for proms. So like some

535
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 4: of those things can play a factor now from our perspective.

536
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 4: From our perspective, when we look at these guys like

537
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 4: Pooria and Chandler, sometimes we base them on their reputation

538
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 4: of what this if done, and not where they're at

539
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 4: in their careers right now. So it's hard to tell

540
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 4: where Pouritier is in his career right now because if

541
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,479
Speaker 4: you look at his fight against you know, Dan Hooker,

542
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 4: that's a fight I thought he probably should have put

543
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 4: Hooker away, but he wasn't able to And then he

544
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 4: lost to Charles Olivera. And not only did he lose

545
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 4: to Charles Olivera, but he showed a lot of hesitation,

546
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 4: Like he didn't even open up his guard to get

547
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 4: off of his back. Like those are signs that show that,

548
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 4: you know, mentally, here's a guy who's not the same

549
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 4: dog that he used to be. He could be slowing

550
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 4: down a little bit. So those are the factors that

551
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 4: we have to kind of incorporate when we when we

552
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 4: analyze this fight. Now for for for Michael Chandler, it's different.

553
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 4: Because Michael Chandler is an entertainer. We have to put

554
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 4: that in the We have to factor that in. He

555
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 4: is an entertainer. So while he may not be a

556
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 4: dog and a killer at times, he's still always going

557
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 4: to try to entertain. So those are the factors that

558
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 4: we have to put in. Michael Chandler is always going

559
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 4: to entertain and Poitier is always going to try to win.

560
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 4: But I don't think the killer instinct may may be

561
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 4: there like it used to be.

562
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 3: Is a finish a virtual guarantee in that fight or

563
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 3: is there a real chance that actually goes the distance.

564
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 4: No, I think there's a real chance that actually goes distance.

565
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 4: And the reason why is a chance it can go

566
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 4: to distance is I think Chandler can burn a lot

567
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 4: of time with a takedown. Now, if it stays on

568
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 4: the feet, I see it getting being a finish. But

569
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 4: I think Chandler will look for takedowns and will burn

570
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 4: some time with takedowns. And if he can burn time

571
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 4: with takedowns, obviously that eliminates time on the feet and

572
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 4: lessens the chances of a knockout, But I see Chandler

573
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 4: doing that. I don't see Chandler standing up with him

574
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 4: the whole time. I think Chandler's going to realize he

575
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 4: can't really box with Poarier if it turns into a

576
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 4: boxing match, and Chandler's gonna look for some takedowns and

577
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 4: burn some time.

578
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 3: So quick follow up on that if I can last

579
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 3: one on this one? Which is of the three main fights,

580
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 3: So Chandler, Poarier, Esparza Jong and then is He and

581
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 3: Alex Of those three, which of them is likeliest to

582
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 3: go to this distance?

583
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 4: Likeliest to go to distance?

584
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 2: Yes?

585
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: Probably?

586
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 4: Wow, that's a that's a tough one. I think that

587
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 4: is he is he in Pereira is likely to go

588
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 4: to distance, you know, even though it is five rounds.

589
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 4: I think that is probably likeliest to go to distance

590
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 4: because is he does a good job of not taking

591
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 4: too many chances if it gets a little heavy for him,

592
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 4: like he's a he's done a good job of going

593
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 4: all right, you know what, Like I'm not going to

594
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 4: get knocked out here. I'm not gonna let let myself

595
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 4: get finished here. And I think d l he would

596
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 4: do that. I think Pourier and and and Chandler would

597
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 4: rather get knocked out than go to distance. I think

598
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 4: if it comes down to it, they would be like,

599
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 4: you know what, let's just go out swinging and get

600
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 4: this bonus. But and I don't see Wayey Jehan and

601
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 4: Carlos Barker. I don't see that fight going past two.

602
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: So very interesting, Dean. There's a million other subplots and

603
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: storylines on here that I could choose, but I'm really

604
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: focused in particular on this Aaron on Molly McCann Blanchfield fight,

605
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: because Molly's the biggest underdog on this card, She's about

606
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: three to one. I mean, this card is very well matched,

607
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: the odds are very close. But is this a potential

608
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: referendum in your eyes? Because Aaron Blanchfield has a shutdown style.

609
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: That win against Miranda Maverick really opened her eyes to

610
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: her potential. Molly's got spinning backfish, She's jumping in the crowd,

611
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: She's riding on Dave Portnoy's shoulders. Her and Patty have

612
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: a sitcom, a buddy sitcom seemingly brewing here. Is this like,

613
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: if you're gonna be as good as your hype has

614
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: allowed you to be. And by the way, full congratulations

615
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: on Molly on these spectacular finishes that you don't typically

616
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: see in the women's game. This is the boss at

617
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: the end of the video game for her at this point. No,

618
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: I mean, this is as tough of a matchup as

619
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: she's had up up to now.

620
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and she knows that. And I spoke to

621
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 4: her about this, Like, Molly's a really good friend of mine.

622
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 4: I actually helped her do some research about for this

623
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 4: fight too, so. But the thing the betting odds and

624
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 4: that people don't know, you know, and I can get

625
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 4: some inside here, is that Molly is taking this fight

626
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 4: a little bit more seriously than she has other fights.

627
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 4: Like she knew it. In other fights it was like

628
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 4: time to build a fan base, do some crazy stuff.

629
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 4: Let's you know, let's let's let's make it happen. But

630
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 4: in this fight, she's like, you know what, I understand

631
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 4: the magnitude of this fight. I know how good this

632
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 4: girl is. And she you're right, she's just shut you

633
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 4: down type of fighters, like she gets in your face,

634
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,959
Speaker 4: she barely backs up. Her transitions are fantastic. I'm watching her,

635
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 4: I'm like, wow, Like she's really good transitionally, and Molly

636
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 4: understands that, and that's the kind of the good thing.

637
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 4: One of the best things in my career was Eve

638
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 4: Edwards because I watched Eve Edwards fight a lot of

639
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 4: guys that I fought later, and by doing so, I

640
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 4: was able to develop better strategies than Eve had. Because

641
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 4: when they would beat Eve, I go, this is why

642
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 4: they beat Eve. I gotta do something different, and I

643
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 4: think that what Molly can do in this fighters go.

644
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 4: I've watched this girl beat a lot of different girls

645
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 4: in certain ways. Now I can get against that and

646
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 4: be a little bit more disciplined in this fight. Not

647
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 4: throw spinning stuff. Just keep it disciplined and beat this

648
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 4: girl based on what I know she's good at. Keep

649
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 4: her away from them things, and exploit some of her weaknesses.

650
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 3: Dean, I'm gonna read to you the odds here for

651
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 3: UFC's two to eighty one fight with Frankie Edgar. Okay,

652
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 3: let me pull it up here for just a second.

653
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 3: So what we have with UFC two eighty one? Uh,

654
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,239
Speaker 3: let's see, here we go. They've got Frankie Edgar at

655
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 3: a plus one seventy five, Chris Gutierrez as a minus

656
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 3: two oh five. Now, Frankie and his best day would

657
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,239
Speaker 3: make this I think relatively easy. But of course his

658
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 3: best day is long since behind him. Do you agree

659
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 3: with the odds where you got Chris Gutierrez, you know,

660
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 3: almost a two to one favorite, Like what in your mind,

661
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: realistically at this stage of his career, how winnable is

662
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 3: this fight for Frankie?

663
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 4: You know what, I don't think it's very winnable. I

664
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 4: think that that's a kind of a generous odd for Frankie.

665
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 4: I think we're giving him some favorable odds here and

666
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 4: even saying he's a plus seventy five. I don't think

667
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 4: it's very winnable for him. I mean, we've seen him.

668
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 4: I mean, he knows this is his last fight in

669
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 4: his mind, in his head, when he looks at himself

670
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 4: in the mirror, he sees the same guy, and we

671
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,719
Speaker 4: all do like I you know what, I I mean,

672
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 4: I think I'm the same guy I was when I'm

673
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 4: twenty when I was twenty five, But I'm not. And

674
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 4: I think that's the problem with Frankie is that he

675
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 4: knows this is his last fight. This is not his

676
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 4: fight to win, and I think it's a I think

677
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 4: we're being generous by giving him plus seventy five. I

678
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 4: don't think there's a big chance of him winning this fight.

679
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 4: If there is, I don't see it. He's just a

680
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 4: little too old for me right now.

681
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: When you fought last thing on this one, when you

682
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 3: fought Georgia Kara Kanyan, did you know going in that

683
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 3: was your last fight?

684
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 4: I knew that if I lost, it was my last fight.

685
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 4: And then somewhere in that second round, I was like,

686
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 4: I'm losing this fight. This is my last fight, you know.

687
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 4: I was like all I had checked out. You know,

688
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 4: when you check out, you check out. It's like like earlier.

689
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 4: The first thing you said in the show, Luke is

690
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 4: that you know you ain't cut out for this to compete,

691
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 4: right And fighters know the same thing when they're done.

692
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 4: They know they're not cut out for it. And sometimes

693
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 4: they're doing it for a paycheck, or sometimes they're just

694
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 4: doing it because people expected of them, but they know

695
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 4: they're not cut out for it, but they're still doing it.

696
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 4: And that's a problem now for Frankie. I don't know

697
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 4: if he realizes yet, but it'll it'll hit him and

698
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 4: he's gonna be like, damn, maybe I shouldn't have did.

699
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: This, Dean, when fighters such as yourself go on to

700
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: secondary fantastic careers in the sport, but elsewhere, I think

701
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: the biggest, you know, shame at times is the new

702
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: fans like we look and I always say this, Mike

703
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: Thomas Brown, our guy right from Att was an absolute killer.

704
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: Nobody knows it. He's not on the internet putting out

705
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: clips of himself. Dave Thomas could fight. You beat Jens Polver,

706
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: You beat Jeremy Stevens, Clay Guita, You beat UFC Hall

707
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: of Famer Matt Sarah by split decision in two thousand three.

708
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: How often do you let that man know that you

709
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: got the edge, that you got it in your back pocket.

710
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: He's never beaten you, Dean. You've always beaten that man.

711
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 4: Okay, I got I got the tattoo right here on

712
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 4: my arm. It says, it says, hey, Matt, I want it.

713
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 4: Let I let Matt know I got the tattoo on

714
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 4: my arm. I let him know every time I see him.

715
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 4: I gotta I gotta remind him. But you know what,

716
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what the fact that I do have

717
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 4: a career after fighting and a lot of people don't

718
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 4: even know me as a fighter. I find that as

719
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 4: a compliment because it means that I could do my

720
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 4: job independently of having the fight background, and just having

721
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 4: to fight background is just extra foundation, and it does

722
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 4: separate me, I think, because I've been there and I've

723
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 4: been there since the nineties doing this. But the fact

724
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 4: that people don't know what I thought, I find that

725
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 4: to be a compliment.

726
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 2: Do you think that, BC?

727
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 3: Do you want to I'm curious about tomorrow's main event.

728
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: If that's okay, please?

729
00:34:59,600 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 2: Yeah?

730
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: That up?

731
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: Lit? All right? So Dean, obviously you're at the Apex.

732
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 3: I'm assuming you're gonna be working the desk on some

733
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 3: level for this Tulis in just a second. But we've

734
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: got Marina Hardriguez taking on Amanda Laimosh. Now it seems

735
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 3: like to me, Dean, correct me if I'm wrong. As

736
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 3: long as it stays on the feet, it shouldn't be

737
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 3: any way. Harodriguez loses, But of course Lamos does have

738
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 3: a decent ability to get the takedown and against Carla A. Sparza,

739
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 3: excuse me, against uh Cynthia Calvico, there was a lot

740
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 3: of takedowns that happened there against Harodriguez. So is this

741
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 3: really a function of if she can stop the takedown,

742
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 3: Hadriguez wins. If she can't, she won't see.

743
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 4: I think you're you may be underestimating Lemos's power, man,

744
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 4: leamosh got some power on her feet, man, and I

745
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 4: think that could be the difference. You know, I don't

746
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 4: know if I don't know if Marina Hardriguez has has

747
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 4: the real advantage on the feet. I'm watching them, I'm

748
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 4: doing my studies to him. I'm thinking, and I love

749
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 4: Marina Hardriguez. She's probably my favorite fighter in the division.

750
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 4: But the power and athleticism of Lamos could be the

751
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 4: difference if she establishes that early and lets that be known,

752
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 4: I mean, that could be the difference in this fight.

753
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 4: I don't think it's necessarily to take that. I don't

754
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 4: think that Lamos is gonna be looking for takedowns. I

755
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 4: think she's gonna try to catch her and try to

756
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 4: knock her head off. Can she do it? I don't know.

757
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 4: I don't know how good Hadriguez's chin is. Like, That's

758
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 4: the thing is we don't I don't know how good

759
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 4: her chin is, and she's gonna have to have somewhat

760
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 4: of a sustainable chin to be able to get her

761
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 4: striking ability off, because Hadriguez is kind of a volume fighter.

762
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 4: I mean she really is to me, the second come

763
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 4: of Yohanna and j Checked and with maybe a little

764
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 4: bit more aggression in the beginning. But I don't know

765
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 4: if she can take a punch. You know, she hasn't

766
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 4: really been cracked by a like a big puncher. So

767
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 4: that's what we got to find out.

768
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: Wow, you know, I love the pull on the Matt

769
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: Sarah tattoo because you can talk that trash forever. On

770
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: the Dana White looking for a fight, but you've got,

771
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: I believe, one up on another co star on that series.

772
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: There was a time and why am I bay where

773
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: at the great Dana White? I mean, all he had

774
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: to do was jump off a cliff into a water.

775
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: Rachel Austovich was like, here's how you do it, bitch,

776
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: and and he didn't. So please tell me, Dean. Okay,

777
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: I know I'm not getting credentialed ever again. I know

778
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: that for that comment, but please tell me, Dean, do

779
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: you needle that man? Do you let him know? Do

780
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: you regularly showing pictures of it?

781
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 4: You know, Dana White is the most powerful man in

782
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 4: our sport, one of the most powerful men in all

783
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 4: of sport. I've watched this man, you know, just be

784
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 4: a celebrity everywhere and he has the most pull. But

785
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you that night, I couldn't have felt

786
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 4: more sorry for him when we got when he got

787
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 4: finally got back in the van to ride back, I

788
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 4: felt so bad for him. I just put my head down.

789
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 4: I couldn't even make fun of him. It was so bad.

790
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 4: I couldn't even make fun of the man. I was like,

791
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 4: and Matt Sarah was like, dude, he would give it

792
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 4: to us. I was like, I'm sorry, man, I just

793
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 4: can't do it. I felt so bad for him because

794
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 4: the amount of abuse that he took while he was

795
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 4: standing up on their little kids were walking by, calling

796
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 4: him names. Everybody was cheat like, chanting bad stuff at him,

797
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 4: and he had to eat it. He had to take

798
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 4: the walk of shame down that little down that cliff,

799
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 4: and I really felt bad for him, And to this day, like,

800
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 4: I don't even like think about how bad I felt

801
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 4: for him. I was. It hurts my heart to see

802
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 4: him take that. You know, I know he may not

803
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 4: have the best reputation, and he's got you know, he

804
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 4: lives the life of a king. But that day, man,

805
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 4: he was truly humble, and I felt bad.

806
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: Look it felt good as a regular Joe who's a

807
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: whimp and who may have checked out myself. But I

808
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: wasn't there that day to see.

809
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 4: You know.

810
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got hundreds of million reasons not to jump.

811
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: But thank you for that inside story. I do love

812
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: me some, Dana. I can't let this interview go without

813
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: asking you this. I'm a boxing guy. I remember you

814
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: were gonna fight under the Shine fights Banner Ricardo Myorga

815
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: in twenty ten and a mixed martial arts fight when

816
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: he was Hella washed. But I watched the press conference

817
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: you and him were jarring. It was like Side of

818
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: the Road hot Dog TV. I was so into it.

819
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: Don King unfortunately put the hammer down, brought out the lawsuits.

820
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: That fight never happened. What the hell was it like?

821
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 1: Because that Nicaraguan crazy man is one of my favorite

822
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: combat sports athletes of all time. What was it like

823
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: in the build up to that twenty twenty ten Oh, it.

824
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 4: Was a lot of fun. I'll tell you that now.

825
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 4: I mean, that was probably my first experience of having

826
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 4: that type of buill up because you know, in twenty ten,

827
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 4: the UFC isn't what it is today. I mean it didn't.

828
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 4: They didn't really have press conferences like that. It was,

829
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 4: you know, so to go over to Shine and have

830
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 4: that press conference. I remember sitting in the bar where

831
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 4: a press conference was, and I'm sitting in there and

832
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 4: I could hear this man coming from outside. He was

833
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 4: you could hear him talking outside walking his way in,

834
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 4: and his voice was just getting louder and louder, and

835
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 4: and he wouldn't shut up. And he got into the

836
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 4: building and he started talking and saying all this stuff

837
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 4: and got all in my face and he pushed me

838
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 4: and he slapped me and everything else. I mean. But then,

839
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 4: the funny thing is is that after it was all over,

840
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 4: when the camera shut off, he was quiet. He introduced

841
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 4: me to his mother, we took pictures. It was a

842
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 4: lot of like it was all a show. It was

843
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 4: all a show. But I was like, that's how you

844
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 4: do it. I mean, this guy really knows how to

845
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 4: sell a fight. That's how you do it. So, I

846
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 4: mean that taught me a lot about the fight game, right,

847
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 4: is it? You know.

848
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: Aha, mean you would have single legged him worse than

849
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: you would have single legged him faster than Raddykutur on

850
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: James Tony though, right, that would have been over quick.

851
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 4: Well yeah, so like that was my claim to fame,

852
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 4: is that I wanted to be the first guy to

853
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 4: beat a legit boxer and then it didn't happen, and

854
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 4: James and then Randy Cotur beat James Tony and I

855
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 4: was so upset because I wanted that. I wanted that

856
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 4: plug right there, like that was my time to shine.

857
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: Still real to me, Luke, all right, I still think

858
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: about stuff like this all the time.

859
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: I bet you, I bet you do, Dean.

860
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: I love the work you do, and I love this

861
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: guy JC Josh Cohen, the pink suit guy. We saw

862
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: this guy for the first time at the UFC Press

863
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: conference and we're like, who the fuck is this guy?

864
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: Over time, He's won me over. How does this small

865
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: man have balls that large? Can you please explain that?

866
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 4: You know, he's just he's an antagonist, you know that,

867
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 4: that's kind of he grew up like he was like

868
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 4: that little small guy in school who would kind of

869
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 4: be able to push everybody's buttons. He's extremely smart and

870
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 4: he's really really, really good at what he does. You know,

871
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 4: he's just got to try to find his way into

872
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 4: this game because in this game is not a lot

873
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 4: of you know, there's not a lot of room for that.

874
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot of there's a lot of

875
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 4: emotion involved in this. This is not a stick and

876
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 4: ball sport, and that's kind of what he's used to.

877
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 4: And so now he's just trying to find his footing

878
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 4: into being able to come into this game and not

879
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 4: push too many buttons.

880
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 1: He's doing a great job at not pushing the butts.

881
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 4: Yeah right, yeah, love the Well we're trying, We're trying.

882
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 4: He loves you, guys. He told me to tell you guys, hello,

883
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 4: he loves you guys.

884
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 1: Indeed, indeed, look I could do this all day. Okay,

885
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: that's great stuff.

886
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: Great, Yeah, yeah, that's okay.

887
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 3: Well, Dean, uh, before you go, you mentioned it, Dean's

888
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 3: Diaries is coming out with Alex Padeda. You're gonna be

889
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 3: on the desk for tomorrow night for the post show

890
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 3: pre show Where are you gonna be?

891
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: Where can folks find you?

892
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 4: Yeah? I'm actually doing the desk tonight and tomorrow night.

893
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 4: So you can find me there and then Dean's Diaries

894
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 4: will come out next week, and that is the now.

895
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 4: I did that with Ale was Pajana and Glover toest share.

896
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 4: I spent time at Glover's house and we just had

897
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 4: a lot of fun. And I think you guys are

898
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 4: going to really enjoy that. I do some clown stuff

899
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 4: as usual, So make sure y'all cop that.

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Speaker 2: Very good.

901
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: Tell Dana we love him. Dean Thomas a legend in

902
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: these parts. Fantastic analysis to get us fired up for

903
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: next week's UFC two to eighty one from Las Vegas.

904
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Speaker 1: With love Dean. Thank you for your time today.

905
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 4: Thank you, guys, stay blessed. I will catch up with

906
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 4: you guys soon.

907
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: Appreciate you. Dean.

908
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: What a guy. What a guess, Luke Thomas fired up

909
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: for that?

910
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 3: All right?

911
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: Fired up?

912
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: Come on, Dean's the man.

913
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. Here's one of the things I

914
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 3: like about Dean. Dean and I have talked about this.

915
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 3: You know how it goes man like. If you are

916
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 3: you know, you're honest about your assessments about what's gonna

917
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 3: happen in the fight. You're gonna rub someone in the

918
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 3: game the wrong way. And I've asked Dean like how

919
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 3: he deals with it. He's like, ah, fuck him. I

920
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 3: don't get He's like, you know how he talked about it,

921
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 3: like boxing is full of old men who just no

922
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 3: longer give a fuck.

923
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 2: Dean's not like that old He's not in his sixties.

924
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 3: He's just I think he's like a couple of years

925
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 3: older than you or I, but you know, he's got

926
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 3: a little bit of that old man boxing kind of

927
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 3: thing going on. And uh, those are the best guys

928
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 3: to talk to in boxing, because let's just tell.

929
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: You the fucking truth.

930
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: They're there.

931
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 2: They don't hold back at all.

932
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: So Dean's like that, he's like twenty five years away

933
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: from full time. Shot that up your little preck. I mean,

934
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: I can't wait for it. All right, It's God's coming,

935
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: It's coming.

936
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 2: He's gonna be Bob.

937
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: Thank you again to de Thomas. Great start to our show, Luke,

938
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: I didn't want to let us go too much further.

939
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: You sent me some pictures last night. You're wearing the

940
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 1: T shirt now. You and the beautiful and radiant missus

941
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: Thomas attended another Cannibal Corpse concert last night in DC.

942
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: I know we got some fight picks to make. I

943
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: know we got a great show to finish out, but

944
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: do you want to give us a breakdown? How was

945
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 1: George Corpse Killer?

946
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 3: This is George Corpse Killer, George corpse Grinder. So yesterday

947
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: was the opening of the tour. It was at the

948
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 3: Film Moore in Silver Spring, which, dude, was so fucking funny.

949
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 3: My wife and I didn't There was like four bands

950
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 3: that opened and we were like, eh, we don't really care.

951
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 3: She liked the the the I don't know the co

952
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: main event so to speak, and I cared more for

953
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 3: the main event. But we got there like an hour

954
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 3: after doors opened, and there was a line. Dude, I

955
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 3: cannot explain. I'd never seen this before. There was a

956
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 3: line down the block and then all the way to

957
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 3: the next avenue. Like we had to walk like ten

958
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 3: minutes to find the back.

959
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: Of the line.

960
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 3: And my wife was like, goddamn, Cannibal Corpse is like

961
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 3: really popular. I was like, I've never seen this before.

962
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 3: Sure enough, the place was full. I think it was

963
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 3: a sellout. But the reason why the line was so

964
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 3: long was because they had motherfucking metal detectors. They're like,

965
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 3: they're like you mass shooters, aren't gonna do that on

966
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 3: our watch today, God damn it. So it took forever.

967
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 3: It took us an hour to get inside. We got

968
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 3: We missed everyone except most of the again the co

969
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 3: main event, which was not my bag.

970
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: I don't you know.

971
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: Did they play the hits Luke? Do they still have it?

972
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 2: Oh my god?

973
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 3: Well let me just say this the opener or there's again,

974
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 3: there's several openers, but the one right before Cannibal Corpse.

975
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 3: You know, listen, man, there's all different kinds of metal,

976
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 3: and I'm not saying mine is better than anybody else's.

977
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 3: I truly mean that they're all stupid in their own way.

978
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 3: But for me personally, when metal dudes start dressing up

979
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 3: like pro wrestlers and shit like that, I'm out, you

980
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. Like when they start putting makeup

981
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 3: on and it's like Halloween was Monday, bro, I'm out.

982
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: So there was a there was a metal band dressed

983
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: up like eighties wrestlers.

984
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, who was those dudes who wore the football pads?

985
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: What were their names?

986
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: The Road Warriors?

987
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: They wore like red and black? Yeah, yeah, yeah, So

988
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 3: they're like like that, just like in their sixties. You

989
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like, just that's great, that's great.

990
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 2: It's not but for Cannibal Corpse. Let me just say this, dude.

991
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 3: Uh, if you've I've never I've been a million shows.

992
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 3: I've never been to a show like theirs. Dude, they

993
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 3: beat you over the fucking head over and over and over.

994
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 3: And then the guy was like corpse grinder, like stopped

995
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 3: the show because it was the opening of the show.

996
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 3: And by the way, he's from Baltimore. He's from Baltimore,

997
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 3: so he was like, Maryland, I fucking love you. Crowd

998
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 3: went crazy. He's like, this one's this one's for the ladies,

999
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 3: and they screed it. There was women there last night.

1000
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it. There were some women there last night.

1001
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 3: And uh then the they for the to dedicate a

1002
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 3: song to the women. They played ft with a Knife

1003
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 3: and they loved it. They loved it. Oh, they loved it.

1004
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 2: They were they were.

1005
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: So many thoughts. I have so many thoughts. My final

1006
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: question is this, Luke, shout out to your wife for

1007
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: joining you. You say this is also her her bag?

1008
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: I mean, is she headbanging along with you? I mean

1009
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: she's a she's a mother and a professional. Look, you

1010
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: can like what you like, but she stands right next

1011
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: to you, and and and.

1012
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 3: She doesn't like Cannibal Corpse as much as I do.

1013
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 3: She like, she's like okay with them. She likes the

1014
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: more operatic doom Norwegian metal kind of thing, which I'm

1015
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 3: not really into. So she was happy to get the

1016
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 3: opener and then tolerate Cannibal Corpse. But yeah, dude, like

1017
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 3: when they played like a Scourge of Iron for folks

1018
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 3: who know, when they played like what was some other

1019
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 3: ones that? Oh they played icon Blood, Dude, she loved it.

1020
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 3: She was she was ready for it.

1021
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, let's please before somebody pulls this out

1022
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: of context. Mikey Mormal, our great producer, wants to know, Luke,

1023
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: how many subs do we have to get you on

1024
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: YouTube before you will headbang live to a Cannibal Corpse

1025
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: song on our show.

1026
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 3: Oh that's not that hard, like you know, one fifty

1027
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean listen, I don't have the hair

1028
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 3: for it. I'm old, like you're you're not going to

1029
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 3: get much out of it. But I was doing it

1030
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 3: last night, bro, I was up there fucking all that shit.

1031
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 3: I was ready for it?

1032
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: All right? Well, hey you do you, Luke? Okay, I

1033
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: was listening to my soft rock seventies radio our records

1034
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: last night. Probably let me let me.

1035
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 3: Just say this be see it was mostly dudes, as

1036
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 3: you can well imagine. How do I say this politely?

1037
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 3: Not a lot of husband material in the audience, you

1038
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

1039
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: Not surprised, not surprised at all. A reminder of how

1040
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: much we love you the fans. Please, if you haven't

1041
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: like subscribed to what we're doing here, you could probably

1042
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: see our social chit handles below or whatever.

1043
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 4: You know.

1044
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: With this business, we got to put that stuff out

1045
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: there there you go. Very few adreads today, so our

1046
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: people should be happy. There's our shit. We do want

1047
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: to sell you this great merch. Look at this shirt, Luke.

1048
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: I found this I ever wore before I found out

1049
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: my drawer. We got so much merch coming out of

1050
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 1: our ear holes Morningcombat Dot store. We got brand new hats. Hats.

1051
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: Sison is upon us for the fall. So when you

1052
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: are at the kids' soccer game, you could be representing MK.

1053
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: Right there, there's a mkhb hat as well. Look in

1054
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,720
Speaker 1: the back there. They call it the director's hat.

1055
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 4: I don't know about that.

1056
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, or I am amateur director

1057
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: at betst all right, you know what I mean? That's

1058
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: no okay here, it is right there. Obviously we love

1059
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: Showtime and you can get thirty days free right now

1060
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: at Showtime dot Com Showtime Championhi Boxing. We'll get to

1061
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 1: that a little bit later, but reminder six thirty pm

1062
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: Eastern Saturday, that's tomorrow on the Showtime Sports YouTube channel.

1063
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: The Showtime Championship Boxing prelimbs are streaming. It's three fights.

1064
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: It's BC and LT making it look easy, and there's

1065
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: some big names. We got former unified Junior Middleway champion

1066
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: Julian Jay Rockwilliams back trying to turn away from a

1067
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: two fight losing skid. We got Andre Durrell versus Unis Gonzalez,

1068
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: and a light heavyweight feature of that is very interesting

1069
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: as you can see there David Morel Junior in the

1070
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: main event. But check us out on Saturday. Okay, Luke Thomas,

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Speaker 1: it is time to get into our weekend picks, and

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Speaker 1: of course we begin we have a read not right now.

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Speaker 3: Though, before the picks, yeah, which.

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Speaker 1: No, we're not doing that read Luke that you think we.

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Speaker 3: Are okay, go ahead then my bed okay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, unless Mikey Dead wrongs me here since it's Friday,

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Speaker 1: but we start at UFC Fight Night the Apex, Las Vegas,

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Speaker 1: where Dean Thomas will be for Tonight's Way in coverage

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Speaker 1: and also tomorrow night. Look, I'm really getting fired up

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Speaker 1: for this strawweight main event. Dean broke it down just

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Speaker 1: a few minutes ago. It's time to hear our picks

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Speaker 1: minus two to ten your betting favorite. Marina Rodriguez four

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Speaker 1: fight winning streak. She said this week she expects a

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Speaker 1: title shot with a victory Amanda Lemo. She has won

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Speaker 1: six of seven a plus one point eighty underdog coming in. Look,

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Speaker 1: I want to start right here, though I had. Almos

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Speaker 1: has had some legitimate travel issues getting from Brazil to

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas. She spent the whole night Monday night at

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Speaker 1: the airport, then more delays in the hotel. Finally she

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Speaker 1: was able to fly out midweek. She finally did her

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Speaker 1: You have her media day obligations yesterday. Does this add anything?

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Speaker 1: Does this change anything? What does this mean entering Sara?

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Speaker 3: It's certainly not great, I would say if she was massively.

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Speaker 3: Like if she had a massive weightcut, then it would

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00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 3: be a then it would be a big issue. But

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Speaker 3: I don't think she has necessary I mean, I don't

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Speaker 3: think she It doesn't help the weightcut is really what

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Speaker 3: the issue would be, because all the training should be

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Speaker 3: done and yeah, you want to move around and stuff

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Speaker 3: like that, But it would only be a big problem

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Speaker 3: if you really had to be very very particular about

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Speaker 3: cutting weight, getting the right amount of sleep, getting the

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Speaker 3: right amount of exercise, and like everything had to be

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Speaker 3: on point. If that is the issue, we're going to

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Speaker 3: find out here the way in here, I guess they've

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Speaker 3: started already. I't to double check where we're at on

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Speaker 3: them in terms of the results, but that would be

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Speaker 3: my only concern short of that it's a pain in

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Speaker 3: the ass and it sucks, and I feel for her,

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Speaker 3: but it shouldn't play a mass of role absent any

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Speaker 3: kind of weight cutting implications.

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Speaker 1: Okay. And also Marina was asked this week the same

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Speaker 1: comment we sort of said of you know, I mean, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll get it. If Marina wins, she's in line for

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Speaker 1: a title. Why this fight, though it didn't make a

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Speaker 1: lot of sense in the rankings, Marina's quote was, to

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00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: be honest, this fight doesn't make sense at all if

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Speaker 1: you look at the rankings. But I know as a

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Speaker 1: UFC employee, you have to accept other fights to try

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Speaker 1: to get to the title. So that's what she will do. Luke,

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Speaker 1: you heard Dean Thomas mentioned do not sleep on Amanda

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Speaker 1: Lamos's power, which I have to assume is why these

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Speaker 1: odds are closed. This is a very good fight. What

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Speaker 1: should we be looking for in terms of picking a winner?

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Speaker 1: Here comes Saturday.

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Speaker 2: You know what's interesting.

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Speaker 3: Him maring up the power is certainly something I think

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Speaker 3: you have to take seriously. Dean's analysis is some of

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Speaker 3: the best that's anywhere. But for me, it just doesn't

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Speaker 3: really come down to that. I mean, I get I

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00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 3: can't dismiss it. I certainly take her for what it's worth.

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Speaker 3: But the numbers on Hadriguez are pretty clear. She has

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Speaker 3: very good defense, by the way, in terms of like

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Speaker 3: not getting hit, she absorbs three strikes per a minute,

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Speaker 3: which is a little on the high end, but not

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Speaker 3: bad at all. And then her defense overall is fifty

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Speaker 3: seven percent, so there's some pretty good defensive sensibilities there.

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Speaker 3: But I found this number shouts to let me see here.

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Speaker 3: This is from our good friend Richard Mann over at

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Speaker 3: fight Metric. Really, what he brings it down to is

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Speaker 3: the issue of takedowns for Harodriguez. So here's what he notices,

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00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 3: which is really kind of interesting. Let me sort of

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00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,479
Speaker 3: point out to you what it shows, if I may.

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Speaker 3: Let's see here for okay, here's what he writes. The

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Speaker 3: fight against Cynthia calve Joe really illustrates Harodriguez's current weaknesses

1146
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 3: and illuminates Lemosh's best path to victory. Prior to her

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00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 3: last fight against Jan Shaunan, Harodriguez had never won in

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Speaker 3: the UFC when allowing more than one takedown. Even with

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00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 3: that victory, she is one one and two when allowing

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00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 3: more than one takedown and six and oh when allowing

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Speaker 3: one or zero takedowns. Hadriguez has allowed her opponent's to

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00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 3: land at one point five to one takedowns per fifteen

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Speaker 3: minutes and been held on control positions for twenty six

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Speaker 3: percent of her time. It seems to me that's the path,

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Speaker 3: and it is a very doable path for a Mendeleemosh. Right,

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Speaker 3: So you're getting too a situation where if you get

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Speaker 3: two takedowns, and this is a five round fight right now,

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00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 3: a three round fight, There's never been a case where

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Speaker 3: I guess just the yeah, that's right. Even with the victory,

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Speaker 3: she's one one to two and allowing more than one takedown.

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Speaker 3: It really is she has to establish the takedown and

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Speaker 3: get control and do stuff from there. If you watch

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Speaker 3: Hadriguez on the ground, she does have good defense, but

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Speaker 3: there's really no offense to speak of. It's not like

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00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 3: she can fight two ways. She can fight on the

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Speaker 3: feet and then be very defensively sound, and you know

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Speaker 3: she has good hand fighting from the back and whatnot.

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00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 3: But you know, for example, if you can take her back,

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00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 3: she'll she'll just hold and ride out position. So it

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Speaker 3: seems to me for Lamos, it's not that you can't

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00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 3: exchange on the feet and use that big power. She

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Speaker 3: might close the show in thirty seconds. But statistically speaking,

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Speaker 3: what we know about Hadriguez is there's a real liability

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Speaker 3: with the number of takedowns you could get against her,

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Speaker 3: and Lamos seems, at least in theory, decently suited to

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Speaker 3: get that done.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, this is gonna be an interesting fight. We're going

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Speaker 1: the five round distance here in the main event, which

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Speaker 1: was a late change as we mentioned on Wednesday with

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Speaker 1: the Bryce Mitchell fight falling out and getting moved. Does

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Speaker 1: does one have the advantage over the other. We know

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Speaker 1: Marina's tested very well at this level. Have we seen

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Speaker 1: Limosh go this deep? Luke, is there any fear in

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Speaker 1: that with the travel, with the potential of this going

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00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: deep into the fight? She's only been three rounds as

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Speaker 1: I look at her record four times total in fifteen fights,

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Speaker 1: watch out for that, Luke, if we go late, and

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Speaker 1: we're probably going to go late when you consider Marina

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Speaker 1: not being known as a finisher. I love the work

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Speaker 1: she can do in the clinch. Her knees are on point.

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00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: But Dean echoed the same sort of questions on her

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Speaker 1: as a legitimate title career. She has the wins to

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Speaker 1: tell you she's a legitimate title contender, but does she

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Speaker 1: have the finishing ability? That's the question. If this goes

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Speaker 1: into the later rounds, who has the Edge's got to

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Speaker 1: be Marina, right, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think the longer it goes, the more it benefits

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Speaker 3: Hudrik as she's built. As I do agree with completely

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Speaker 3: with this with Dean, which was Rodriguez is built for volume, right,

1201
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 3: built to win rounds, built to go the distance. You

1202
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 3: know her cardio is gonna be good. You know, she's

1203
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 3: not gonna be deterred, you know exactly, like Marina knows

1204
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Speaker 3: exactly what her sweet spot is, and like what are

1205
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 3: some of her weak points are, and like she's really

1206
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 3: built to last in a fight, which is going to

1207
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Speaker 3: say that Leamosh isn't. We just don't really know to

1208
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 3: that point. Also, it should be noted one thing that

1209
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Speaker 3: could get kind of interesting is I don't expect necessarily

1210
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Speaker 3: Hadriguez to shoot, but you saw what Lamos was able

1211
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Speaker 3: to do against Waters and Gomez snatching up that guillotine

1212
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 3: and then creating problems from it. I wonder there might

1213
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 3: be opportunities for that as well. Not as many obviously,

1214
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 3: but you know, she is a submission threat. She can

1215
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 3: snatch your throat. The thing is this, It's like you

1216
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 3: look at the winds she has, you know, via striking,

1217
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:51,399
Speaker 3: like Lavigna, Suza and Monsieur and whatnot. It's like those

1218
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:55,919
Speaker 3: are good wins, but Hadriguez is overall a better than them,

1219
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Speaker 3: And again we don't know the truth about her chin.

1220
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Speaker 3: I think Dean's right about that. But like I would put,

1221
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 3: Hadriguez is in a better She has much better fundamental

1222
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Speaker 3: striking than both of those competitors.

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Speaker 2: She's much more suited.

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Speaker 3: I agree, And so I think it's just a little

1225
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 3: bit of a it's the I can't dismiss the power,

1226
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Speaker 3: but I'm not. I just don't know exactly how decisive

1227
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 3: it will be.

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Speaker 1: Look if a Manda can come out and get a

1229
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Speaker 1: stoppage here and use the uncertainty of fight week and

1230
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: the travel issues and just say look I'm going for

1231
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Speaker 1: it and get it, then look, that's the biggest win

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Speaker 1: of her career. She makes a huge advancement into these rankings.

1233
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Speaker 1: But as I identified on Wednesday, when you look at

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Speaker 1: that streak of having won six to seven, you know

1235
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: split decision went over Angela Hill. Might you know, is

1236
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: it the best winning that bunch? There isn't the experienced

1237
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: edge against higher level competition, particularly going later in fights.

1238
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Speaker 1: It seems to all circle and favor Marina in this case.

1239
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: In some ways, I still like go what I said

1240
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, I think that she should be an even

1241
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: bigger favorite. I think Marina Hadriguez by decision is the

1242
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: bet here. That's the bet Okay, Yeah, I'm gonna say

1243
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: the same.

1244
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 3: Close by the way. It could be close, could be

1245
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 3: very close. Like there's ways where you're like, could come

1246
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 3: down to the fifth man. I don't really know, but

1247
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 3: I just tend to think the person built for volume,

1248
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 3: good defense, built to last against someone who is very

1249
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 3: good but hasn't yet proved to me to be an

1250
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 3: overwhelming force. I'm gonna ride with Rodriguez as well. I

1251
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 3: think she gets it done by decision, but should be

1252
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 3: an interesting one, should be a good one.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ride in the car with you there, Luke.

1254
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: All right, this co main event very interesting. Walter Wait Division,

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00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: Neil Magni, d Rod, Daniel Rodriguez. The ods just shifted.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to DraftKings on this one. Luke minus one

1257
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: twenty five, Neil Magni plus one oh five Rodriguez and Luke.

1258
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: I listened to d Rod's talk with the with those

1259
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: scumbag of MA reporters this week, and the reveal he

1260
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: said was that he had a legit elbow issue and

1261
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: considered pushing this fight off pretty seriously, decided to bite

1262
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: down and fight through it again. I'll ask you any

1263
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: concern for the striker here with that bit of knowledge

1264
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: entering a tough test.

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00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean these guys are always banged up, as

1266
00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 3: we know, one level or another question is how much. Yeah,

1267
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 3: that's not great. Obviously, that could cause all kinds of problems.

1268
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 3: It could exacerbate another injury, it could limit how often

1269
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 3: he throws, it could make defense more painful, and then

1270
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 3: there's just any kind of problems you could get behind.

1271
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:12,919
Speaker 3: And on top of that, you know, for a guy

1272
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 3: like rodriguezho's a great striker, and that's also you know

1273
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 3: where he does his best work. He's also got a

1274
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 3: six inch reach disadvantage. Right, Neil Magni had eighty inches

1275
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 3: there in terms of his reach, Rodriguez seventy four. Now

1276
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 3: they are going to be open stands, so that can

1277
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 3: change the game a little bit for you. But so

1278
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 3: you know, it's a it's a it's a concerning factor.

1279
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 3: But again, BC, it's like, is that the thing that

1280
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 3: gets him to lose? Hard to know without really fully

1281
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 3: understanding the injury, But I tend to think not. But

1282
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 3: we shall see. We shall see.

1283
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: Luke Neil Magni at his best. I mean he's a

1284
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: you know, he's the kryptonite. If you're not quite ready,

1285
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: if you're not quite well rounded, if there's a legitimate

1286
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: hole in your game, he'll take you to deep waters.

1287
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: He'll be hard to hit. He's he's you know, he's

1288
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: crafty in so many ways. Not known as a finisher,

1289
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: but he does that to people who sometimes need that

1290
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: lesson or have that whole Is d Rod too good

1291
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: of a fighter to fall into some of those tropes

1292
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: that that Neil Magnane is able to expose tropes? You know,

1293
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: sometimes I put words out there, Luke, and I just

1294
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: I hope they fit. I really do.

1295
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 5: Well.

1296
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 2: What I'll say is.

1297
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 3: This is a really I mean, here's the problem. The

1298
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 3: Leech fight. It's like that should have told us the answer,

1299
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 3: but it didn't exactly because of the late change. Both

1300
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 3: guys were a little bit hesitant again the Leech giving

1301
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 3: up weight, given where d Rod was for the other

1302
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 3: fight that he was against Kevin Holland that he was

1303
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 3: supposed to have, And so it's not worthless by any stretch.

1304
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 3: I mean, you can definitely learn some lessons from it,

1305
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 3: but it just wasn't as clarifying as we thought it

1306
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 3: would be. You know, it's if they just had to kickbox.

1307
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 3: I would definitely pick Rodriguez right if that's all that was,

1308
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 3: But it's not all that it was, Like Neil doesn't

1309
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 3: have as much volume in striking, but the overall volume

1310
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 3: of his offense is quite punishing to the wrong people.

1311
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 3: He can push you up against the fence, he can

1312
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 3: go for takedowns, he scrambles underneath. He actually has pretty

1313
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 3: good clinch as well. Like we've seen him tested in

1314
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 3: all of the various different phases in ways we've just

1315
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 3: never seen Rodriguez tested.

1316
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 2: So it's like there is.

1317
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 3: One clear part of the game where I feel like

1318
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 3: Rodriguez has an advantage, and I feel like that the

1319
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 3: majority of the fight will be contested there. And so

1320
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:32,919
Speaker 3: for that reason, B see, I'll just put my cards

1321
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 3: on the table. I think Rodriguez will win this one.

1322
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 3: I really do, especially since he beat Tim means who's

1323
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 3: you know, can be a rough and tumble kind of

1324
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 3: guy or let me verify that.

1325
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 2: I don't want to get that wrong. Yeah he did,

1326
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 2: of course, what am I saying? Yeah? Early on?

1327
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 3: But this one's close, man, And also it's like a

1328
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 3: three round contest. I feel like that gives Rodriguez a

1329
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 3: little bit more of an edge, because if it went five,

1330
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 3: you could really see a very weaponized pace from uh

1331
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 3: from excuse me, what am I saying, Neil Magney. So

1332
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 3: because it's three, I definitely think he's gonna be busy.

1333
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 3: I definitely think he's gonna be getting to work. But

1334
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 3: I feel like, maybe you disagree. I feel like it's

1335
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 3: going to create some openings for Rodriguez, and then when

1336
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 3: those openings are there, I expect him to stick, stick hard,

1337
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 3: and move if he has to, or close the show thereafter.

1338
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: I agree, Look, this is gonna be a close fight,

1339
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: It's gonna be competitive, but I like the fact that

1340
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: he's got, in my opinion, better firepower, a better way

1341
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: to deliver it.

1342
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 4: Here.

1343
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: If d rod is going to maximize his window at welterweight,

1344
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: with the age, with the long layoffs, with the injuries,

1345
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: it's time. It is right now, All right, Luke, we

1346
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: got a breaking news way and update. It was the

1347
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: fight I was going to ask you next about, by

1348
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: the way, because I'm very intrigued by it. It is

1349
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 1: the lightweight about to open the main card, Grant Dawson

1350
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: taking on mark O Madson and Mikey Mormile. Letting us

1351
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: know that that Grant Dawson just came in overweight one

1352
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: fifty seven and a half for this lightweight contest. I

1353
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: don't know if he will him to try to cut

1354
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: down the rest, But before that happened, the odds from

1355
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: DraftKings look like this in this intriguing matchup minus two

1356
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 1: fifteen for Dawson plus one eighty five for Mark o'madson.

1357
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: Third straight time, I asked the same question, how much

1358
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 1: does this development change what we're going to see Saturday?

1359
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 2: Ooh, I don't know. I don't know.

1360
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 3: Jesus, that's okay. So it's like, why did he miss?

1361
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 2: Wait?

1362
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 3: Why did he miss wait? Did he miss wait because

1363
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 3: he's injured?

1364
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 2: Right?

1365
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 3: Did he miss weaight, because he's now too big for

1366
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 3: this weight class and he killed himself to get down there?

1367
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 3: Did he not kill himself to get down there?

1368
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 6: Like?

1369
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:44,919
Speaker 3: You know, would you miss weight like that? It's hard

1370
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 3: to know exactly what the reasoning for it might be.

1371
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 3: So I'll say this, if he's injured, yeah, that changes

1372
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 3: the equation substantially. If you just missed it because it

1373
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:55,919
Speaker 3: was a poor weight cut. Is this his first miss?

1374
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 3: I think it is?

1375
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 2: Right? Can we verify that.

1376
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 3: I don't have the information directly in front of me.

1377
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that.

1378
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: I have to pay I believed dollars to Elon to

1379
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: get this question verified, Luke. But let me see you real.

1380
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 3: Quick, don't think so. I think you can look on

1381
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 3: I think Wikipedia will tell you that. But in any case,

1382
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 3: without knowing it.

1383
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: Dawson missed weight in his third pro fight, Luke, but

1384
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: never again according to Wikipedia.

1385
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 3: And that was at featherweight, right, So his featherweight debut.

1386
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 3: He missed it, then went back to lightweight, then went

1387
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 3: back to featherweight, and then went back to.

1388
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 1: I'm sorry one more time, one more time, Derek Minner

1389
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Dawson missed Wait, they had a catchweight of I'm.

1390
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 3: Glad we checked this in real time. Yeah, he's miss

1391
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 3: waited a couple of times now, granted not for this weight, right.

1392
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 3: It was always of the weight class below, but now

1393
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 3: he's bigger.

1394
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

1395
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 3: It seems to me like he just has issues making

1396
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 3: weight for whatever reason, in terms of the cutting process

1397
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:54,919
Speaker 3: or whatever you want to say. So, yeah, does change

1398
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 3: a little bit, changes a little.

1399
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: Bit, Marco Madson, What does he have to show you

1400
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: that he has not yet on this transition to MMA,

1401
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: and this is a fight where he's the underdog against

1402
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 1: a very tough customer. What does he have to show

1403
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:08,439
Speaker 1: you to let you know that he's that he's making

1404
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 1: a move here.

1405
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 3: What I would say is he has to show gas

1406
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 3: tank a gas tank, because we know he's a great athlete.

1407
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 3: We know he can wrestle really well, he's heavy handed.

1408
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 3: We know he's heavy handed too. And you know in

1409
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 3: that Vince Bachelle fight, that was a tough fight, like

1410
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 3: he proved he's got grit. But but his gas tank,

1411
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 3: you know, he used it up. He went to e

1412
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 3: really quickly. I think there's got to be I mean,

1413
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 3: it's and this is a challenge here too, right, because

1414
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:34,919
Speaker 3: you know, if you have an opponent who missed weight,

1415
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,959
Speaker 3: then you know that well maybe they're compromised, right, Maybe

1416
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 3: that that wey cut really fucked them up. Let me

1417
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 3: just go in there and work on the body, make

1418
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 3: them wrestle, put them on their hands, right, just force

1419
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 3: them into action, really get them tired, and then do that.

1420
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 3: But that of course could be self sabotaging because Grant Dawson,

1421
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 3: by the way, has like very good wrestling defense, very

1422
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 3: good resistance to those kinds of things, and so there's

1423
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 3: a bit of a question there. But like, obviously, if

1424
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 3: you can get Marco Madson to have better cardiovascular conditioning,

1425
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 3: which means he can have better a portioned output, then

1426
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 3: this is something he could very much take advantage of.

1427
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 3: That's to me the biggest question, because if if Grant

1428
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 3: Dawson is somewhat drained from this but not fully drained

1429
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 3: from this, and Marco Madson hasn't worked on his gas tank, well,

1430
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 3: then then they almost kind of cancel each other out

1431
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 3: a little bit in terms of how each could drag

1432
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 3: down the other one. So but if one is compromised

1433
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 3: and one has really worked on some of those other

1434
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 3: things and really made some strides, well, now the equation

1435
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 3: changes pretty substantially. I guess I don't know what the

1436
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 3: odds are for this fight, be see, I don't have

1437
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 3: them in front of me.

1438
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 1: Look, I just read them just short to two minutes ago.

1439
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:45,919
Speaker 1: I read that before the way in the situation. Yeah, yeah,

1440
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 1: plus one eighty five Mattson. Do we know what the

1441
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 1: O stands for? I've been wondering for a while.

1442
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 2: No, it's not It's not like O. Sullivan. He's not

1443
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 2: He's not Irish. Folks.

1444
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 3: You know what man I might lean towards. I might

1445
01:06:56,320 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 3: lean towards Madsone. That's sketchy too, right, because how old

1446
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 3: is Matson? Isn't the dude like almost forty?

1447
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's thirty eight?

1448
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 2: Yeah? So does it change? He does it change the

1449
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 2: way you were going?

1450
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: It helps me feel more confident to believe that Mark

1451
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 1: Madson has another gear. Yah, he's gonna have to earn it.

1452
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to fight forward here. This is gonna

1453
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: be a good fight, no question about it. But yeah,

1454
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: it gives me a little more confidence to want to

1455
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 1: ride the underdog in the plus money and maybe parlay

1456
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 1: some shit together, Luke, Mark Mets is a brick shit house.

1457
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard to improve on that gas tank

1458
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: with that type of build, but he's gonna have to.

1459
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to see it. Daniel Rodriguez just weighing

1460
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 1: in just now at one hundred and seventy pounds per

1461
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 1: Mikey morms here, Luke. So it's all coming together, and

1462
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: Mikey lets us know it's Mark over guard. Madison overguard

1463
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: is O V E R G A R D overguard

1464
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: is apparently not an amateur wrestling move, so it's not

1465
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 1: an is it. I mean, I know you can get

1466
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: an underhook.

1467
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 2: Two a's just one maybe?

1468
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Oh it's gaff Wow. I'm giving the

1469
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 1: wrong credit there, mikey Wow, Okay, it's it's Gaffney Jim.

1470
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 1: Who's who's helping us out there? Thank you very much,

1471
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: Gap for going deep on that. Look up. Look we

1472
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: got a great staff, a great they're great people.

1473
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 2: They are great.

1474
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: Oh wow, nice to lay there.

1475
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 3: You're like, oh no, no, no, great, I'm trying to get

1476
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 3: my notes in order.

1477
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you very much. Luke, is there another fight

1478
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 1: here that you'd like to focus on and make a selection?

1479
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 1: It's slim pickens the rest of the way to a

1480
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: certain degree, but you.

1481
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, there's not a whole lot after that. The

1482
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 3: Miranda Maverick one was the one that was kind of

1483
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 3: interested in, but she's such a huge favorite at minus

1484
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 3: six ' ten, You're like, is it that compelling a fight?

1485
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 3: I guess the only thing I would want to see

1486
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 3: there is can she meaningfully improve from the last performance?

1487
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 3: Can she continue to get better in the way that

1488
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 3: I've expected her to get better. We shall see, we

1489
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 3: shall see.

1490
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: She should consider working the overguard in this fight. If

1491
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: she needs to look, we'll go to that boxing match

1492
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 1: in Abu Dhabi. I believe it is a one or

1493
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: one fifteen pm Eastern time start in the main card

1494
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 1: comes so Saturday afternoon. It's Dmitri Bevall, unbeaten, fresh off

1495
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: the upset kind of pumpfer pound breakthrough victory over Canelo Alvarez,

1496
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 1: will defend his WBA light heavyweight title against a mandatory challenger,

1497
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 1: but among the toughest fighters Beevall has faced to date.

1498
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 1: In theory, this sets up the potential of a four

1499
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 1: belt unification at light heavyweight against unified champ Artur betterbev

1500
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:26,639
Speaker 1: But it's Gilberto Zerto Ramirez coming in. As we stan DraftKings,

1501
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 1: as Dmitri Bevall as a minus four hundred favorite plus

1502
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 1: two ninety for Zerto. As we talk about a lot here,

1503
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 1: Luke boxing odds usually much wider. This actually isn't that

1504
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 1: bad in theory. I love this matchup. I really feel

1505
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: like we've got Bowl and Matador potential here because beev

1506
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: All can play it safe. He's so technically sound. Yes,

1507
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 1: he walked down Canelo, the smaller man, and did what

1508
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: he have to do, did what he had to do

1509
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 1: in that spot. But Gilberto taller than him, longer than him,

1510
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 1: and certainly much more aggressive than him. You would not

1511
01:09:56,400 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 1: call zero reckless. But Luke, he is a tough Mexican

1512
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 1: fighter who comes after it. He's going to have to,

1513
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: in my opinion, make this a real fight to win it.

1514
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: What are you looking for specifically when these two touch

1515
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: gloves come Saturday afternoon?

1516
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 3: Man, I saw this. I gotta give credit. Is it

1517
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 3: from Is it Dan Kenobio or Dan Yes Kenobio.

1518
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 1: Dan Kenobio. Yeah, I'm inside boxing, Live compy box all that.

1519
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 4: Ye.

1520
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1521
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 3: So he put out a stat line on Bivol that

1522
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 3: I thought was just fucking incredible.

1523
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 2: Listen to this.

1524
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 3: Bivill has not been outlanded in his last thirty seven

1525
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:32,640
Speaker 3: rounds and has outlanded his opponents in seventy five of

1526
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 3: seventy six. Overall, he has held opponents to single digit

1527
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 3: strikes in one hundred and thirty of his last one

1528
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,879
Speaker 3: hundred and forty one rounds. He's number two in defense.

1529
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 3: His opponents land just five point six punches per round

1530
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 3: and he's number two in overall in jabs. He lands

1531
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 3: nine a round. Right, we're talking number two overall, not

1532
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:54,639
Speaker 3: just in the division, statistically, in all of boxing. Dude,

1533
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 3: this guy is sound as a pound, my lord. His

1534
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 3: defense is impeccable. He knows exactly when to press the gas,

1535
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:07,759
Speaker 3: exactly when to press the brakes. He has good lateral movement,

1536
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,679
Speaker 3: he has good ring generalship obviously, as you can see,

1537
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 3: he's got good fundamentals, a great job, a good footwork,

1538
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 3: very good defense. He knows and this is how you

1539
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 3: know when someone's really good to be see, because you

1540
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 3: see this in Volkanovsky stat lines with his opponents. He

1541
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 3: suppresses their offense by virtue of how much he's able

1542
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 3: to land, and by how good his defense is or

1543
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 3: how confused he can make the opponent so they just

1544
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 3: can't go, or when they go, they go at the

1545
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 3: wrong time, or whatever the case may be. But in

1546
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:37,719
Speaker 3: this particular case, what I would say is, I feel

1547
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 3: like Zerdo Ramirez is gonna be going heavy to the body.

1548
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 3: I do think he's going to be attacking. I think

1549
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 3: for the first six rounds maybe first, yeah, first six rounds.

1550
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 3: It probably is a relatively even ish fight. It's the

1551
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 3: second half of the fight that I just don't really

1552
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:58,759
Speaker 3: know if Zerdo Ramirez is gonna have enough to steal

1553
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 3: enough rounds, ladies, he really gonna have enough to steal

1554
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 3: you know, rounds nine through twelve. That seems highly unlikely

1555
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 3: for a guy who's just really hard to hit, who

1556
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 3: has suppressive offense and obviously you know, ironclad defense. There's

1557
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 3: just too much. There's just too much that we know

1558
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 3: about Bivol right that we don't know about Ramirez.

1559
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 2: But I love it.

1560
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 3: I do think it goes the distance, and I think

1561
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:25,639
Speaker 3: it should be a fun affair for as long as

1562
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 3: it lasts.

1563
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, Zurdo's got to get Bevall off script. When

1564
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 1: he's on script, you know, he's never afraid to just

1565
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 1: jabby the death, and that's you know, a big part

1566
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 1: of why his compy box numbers are so strong and

1567
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 1: wide compared to his opponents. That jab is so accurate.

1568
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 1: He command's distance. I mean, he just controls distance. But

1569
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:46,799
Speaker 1: Zerto's longer, He's a southpaw. He's got you know, looping,

1570
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 1: hard power shots. He's got a good way of getting

1571
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,599
Speaker 1: inside on you and making it a fight. I think

1572
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 1: The key here is Zerdo's chin, because look, Zerdo's got

1573
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 1: that cowboy spirit. I mean he is going like you know,

1574
01:12:58,280 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: when I talked to him Luke a couple of weeks ago,

1575
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, he's like respectful to Canelo that you know,

1576
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 1: he heard that rumor that Canelo doesn't want to fight Mexicans,

1577
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 1: but he does not understand that at all. He's about

1578
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 1: fighting the best. He's had trouble getting the fights to

1579
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 1: the best, as we talked about on Wednesday, but he's

1580
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 1: the mandatory. He's got his chance here. He thinks of

1581
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: victory gets him in the power for pound top ten.

1582
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 1: He's ready to fight better be afterwards. He wants Canelo,

1583
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 1: he wants the world. I think he's going to go

1584
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 1: after this and give himself the best chance meeting. I

1585
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 1: don't think he'll Zerto, who can box. I don't think

1586
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,839
Speaker 1: he's gonna go out there and try to out box Bevall,

1587
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: or if he finds himself down on the rounds, you know,

1588
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 1: be content with going to the scorecards and taking his chance.

1589
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,639
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to go after it. Bev All can punch,

1590
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 1: not a big power puncher, but he can. If Zerdo

1591
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 1: can take those shots, get inside and try to make

1592
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 1: this a fight. That's his calling card, that's gonna be

1593
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: his opportunity. Can I pick him though, Luke? Can I

1594
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 1: pick him to break through? I can't. I can't yet.

1595
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:59,600
Speaker 1: Now you know he's moving up to seventy five was

1596
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 1: a big move for Zerto. He's he's not making the

1597
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:04,600
Speaker 1: hard weight cuts. He's been knocking dudes out left and right,

1598
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 1: although on a slightly lower level, as he's been climbing

1599
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 1: the ladder here to get into this position. Until I

1600
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:15,600
Speaker 1: see Beach Bevall handled, until I see him out thought, out, maneuvered,

1601
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 1: I think you gotta go bev All here. And you

1602
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 1: know no one would be upset if Bevall wins this,

1603
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 1: and then we finally get that four belt summit between

1604
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 1: n Beaaten fighters against better Beev, who is in his

1605
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: late thirties. But man, he's ready. He's ready, I mean

1606
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 1: eighteen and oh eighteen Ko's Luke. Better Beev is the

1607
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 1: absolute real deal. Io I look at Zerto at making

1608
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: this a fun fight, giving him every chance to win it.

1609
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: But I think Bevall is just too sound, technically, too

1610
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: good defensively. He's gonna have to make key adjustments to

1611
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 1: keep key times. But can he keep that activity up

1612
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 1: and just live and die behind that jab At the

1613
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 1: end of the day, I think he will be able to.

1614
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:50,640
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be fun theater watching it. Look this

1615
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 1: going down in n Abu Dhabi. Don't forget in Riod it's

1616
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 1: WW Crown Jewel this weekend with Logan Paul against Roman

1617
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 1: reigns at Jake Paul in his corner. They just he

1618
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 1: just spoke at the press conference. I'm not saying you

1619
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 1: need to cure. I don't care, Luke. I'm I'm just

1620
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 1: telling the world that it's out there.

1621
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 2: I want you to know I don't care.

1622
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even care either. To be fair, I'll

1623
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 1: watch the highlights all right, but that is what is

1624
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 1: going down. Don't miss this fight. It's a good one.

1625
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 1: Bevall zero Vermerez. Obviously, Saturday Night has also given you

1626
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 1: a chance to come back into the Showtime window. Here.

1627
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 1: Showtime Championship Boxing Saturday Night a triple header. You're gonna

1628
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 1: hear from us on the prelimbs. But let's focus now

1629
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 1: on the main event. Luke is at nine pm Eastern.

1630
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: Did I get that right?

1631
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 3: I believe that's correct, Yes, because we're on it.

1632
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 2: Yes, it's gonna go.

1633
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 1: Down in Minneapolis the Armory. I mean, tune in if

1634
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:38,720
Speaker 1: you can get there in person, if you ever get

1635
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 1: a chance. That venue is fantastic and they have real

1636
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 1: boxing fans there and they freaking love Cuban born twenty

1637
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 1: four year old David Morrell Junior. I don't think we

1638
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 1: talk enough about Morel, but to be fair of late,

1639
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 1: he has given us more reason to talk about him.

1640
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 1: He's unique, twenty four years old, seven and oher was

1641
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 1: six KOs. It's all the smoke right away right now.

1642
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 1: After a good amateur career. He's got the secondary WBA

1643
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 1: title at one hundred and sixty eight pounds. The reason

1644
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 1: why that matters here in this case is because Canelo's

1645
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 1: got all four belts at one sixty eight. But he's

1646
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 1: gonna be gone a while. We're gonna get into some

1647
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 1: breaking news soon that came out yesterday of an interim

1648
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:19,919
Speaker 1: title fight that you can't miss coming up in this division.

1649
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 1: But Morell has the secondary title. Luke. When he was

1650
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 1: first coming on, he was on some PBC on Fox cards.

1651
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 1: I didn't love him, but what I've seen of late

1652
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 1: is he's starting to put it together. He's made Minneapolis

1653
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 1: his adopted home. They turn out for him, and he's

1654
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:37,799
Speaker 1: gonna welcome in somewhat of an unknown and a newcomer

1655
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 1: here in this mandatory opponent thirty year old kazak Idos

1656
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:46,639
Speaker 1: your Bosson Newley, who comes in dressed as an old

1657
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:50,640
Speaker 1: school Kazakh warrior from centuries of old? Can he do

1658
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,599
Speaker 1: enough here sixteen to one record eleven KOs to upset

1659
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: the Apple car Luke? Have you seen enough of David

1660
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 1: Morrell Junior? And by the way, his last outing against

1661
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 1: Calvin Henderson, the early knockout, seemed to show him starting

1662
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 1: to make that leap forward. Do you like him? Are

1663
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 1: you confident in him? He's an interesting prospect considering he's

1664
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 1: got so little fights and he's only twenty four, but

1665
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:10,560
Speaker 1: he's trying to get in there against the best in

1666
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:11,720
Speaker 1: the world. He wants Conde Lottle back.

1667
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, And what's interesting is they both have a common opponent.

1668
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 3: He fought Morell did Lennox Allen in his third fight.

1669
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:18,600
Speaker 3: It went to distance your Boston Newly fought him and

1670
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 3: I think stopped him in what the tenth or eleventh

1671
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 3: something like that. Stopped Lenox Allen, so they have a

1672
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 3: common opponent. But I mean, here's the way. If I'm

1673
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 3: getting this wrong, please by all means correct me. What's

1674
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 3: really interesting about this fight is that both guys have

1675
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 3: a good amateur pedigree from their respective parts of the

1676
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 3: world Kazakhstan for your Boston Neulli and then Cuba for

1677
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 3: morel Morell had to defect and then you know, go

1678
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 3: to Mexico, had to live there, I believe for eighteen

1679
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 3: months before he was even eligible to come over here

1680
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 3: stateside and then began competing as a pro. So like,

1681
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 3: this guy's made some big sacrifices. He did well in

1682
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 3: Cuban amateur system, and so far to this point has

1683
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 3: looked good. As I mentioned, fighting Lenox Allen and just

1684
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 3: his third contest and winning that one via decision. In fact,

1685
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 3: that's the only fight he has among the pros that

1686
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:01,639
Speaker 3: granted just seven of them, but still that's the only

1687
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:03,640
Speaker 3: one that went the distance. All the other ones he

1688
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 3: stopped in the first, second, third, first, fourth.

1689
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 2: And fourth round.

1690
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 3: Due he's got a big puncher, he can box two

1691
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 3: young as you mentioned, sort of adopted in this part

1692
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 3: of the world. Your Boston Newly is stubborn as shit, though, bro,

1693
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 3: and he's got really, really, really good a pedigree as well.

1694
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 2: I don't know, I see this killing.

1695
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 3: It could either be I don't think it'll be a

1696
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 3: slot fest, but one could really force the other one

1697
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 3: to make it pretty exciting. Or it could just be

1698
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 3: a chess match. I really don't have a clear sense

1699
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 3: on how that one's going to go. Perhaps you do well.

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01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:32,679
Speaker 1: I like that. We don't know a ton. We don't

1701
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 1: know a lot about your Boston ULLI. He came in out,

1702
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 1: like you said, I'm becoming the mandatory challenger, climbing the

1703
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 1: ladder to make his move here. But Morell is starting

1704
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:40,680
Speaker 1: to come out and be a little bit more of

1705
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: an aggressive power puncher. I mean, look, I've talked to

1706
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 1: you know in Minneapolis had his last fight. I was

1707
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:47,680
Speaker 1: working on that card in Jim Gray's normal spot doing

1708
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 1: the interviews, and you know, I talked to his advisor,

1709
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 1: a guy Louis to Cuba Senior, who's you know, been

1710
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 1: around Cuban fighters his entire you know, underrated great career

1711
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 1: in boxing as a manager and finding young talent.

1712
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 4: And he told me.

1713
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 1: Straight up in the ring right after that fight, right

1714
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 1: after that knockout against Calvin Henderson. That woke a lot

1715
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 1: of people up that Morel's the best Cuban fighter pro prospect.

1716
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:12,600
Speaker 1: He's ever seen a lot of great Cuban fighters that

1717
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 1: have come through, a lot of them that have been

1718
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:17,680
Speaker 1: associated with this man in question here. So this is

1719
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 1: just something to think about. They did change the start

1720
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 1: time to Saturday show nine to ten pm Eastern time,

1721
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 1: and also look a reminder, separate from us doing the prelimbs,

1722
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 1: you're also gonna get the Jake Paul Anderson Silva replay

1723
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 1: I believe eight pm Eastern right before that. So nine

1724
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 1: to ten pm Eastern is the start Morel versus your

1725
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 1: Boston Newly. I'm trying to pick up odds here. Did

1726
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:38,639
Speaker 1: you see any.

1727
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:41,639
Speaker 3: No, I don't have any in front of me. Oh

1728
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:43,600
Speaker 3: wait no, I don't have any in front of me

1729
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 3: just yet?

1730
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 1: All right, I got it. Here we go, Let's go

1731
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:48,759
Speaker 1: to DraftKings. Wow, they like Morel big here minus thirteen

1732
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:51,679
Speaker 1: hundred plus six ninety for your Boston Newly. Was gonna

1733
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 1: have to get inside and make this a fight. I

1734
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 1: think given the climate right now with Canelo out, who

1735
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,799
Speaker 1: knows if he'll be stripped or we'll see more interim titles. Basically,

1736
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 1: business is going to pick back up here in terms

1737
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 1: of people getting into contention. David Morrell Junior wins this

1738
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 1: or even for your boss and Newley. There's gonna be

1739
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 1: some big fights to make, in some big opportunities, So

1740
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 1: don't miss that, Luke, your boy Banana Bonan Nah. Jason Rosario,

1741
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 1: the former unified champion one fifty four, is back in

1742
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:18,639
Speaker 1: this co main event, a triple header nine to ten

1743
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 1: pm Eastern. But Luke, we did want to remind people

1744
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 1: we got a pretty damn good trilogy or trilogy. How

1745
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:28,759
Speaker 1: about a trio of preliminary action on the Showtime Championship

1746
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 1: Boxing Countdown Show six thirty pm Eastern BCNLT. And look,

1747
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 1: I've always been a huge Andre Drell fan. Remember when

1748
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 1: he was in the Showtime Super six super Middleweight tournament

1749
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 1: a decade ago. An Olympic medalist in two thousand and four.

1750
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 1: You know the brother, of course, of Anthony Darrell, former

1751
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 1: two time super middleweight champion who just lost to kyleb. Plant.

1752
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 1: He's thirty nine, he's only fought six times in the

1753
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 1: last seven years, but he still believes he's got stuff left.

1754
01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:59,879
Speaker 1: This is going to be a fun matchup against Unieski

1755
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 1: Gonzales of Cuba, who's also in his late thirties and

1756
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,080
Speaker 1: looking to get right back into the title picture, got

1757
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 1: stopped by Zerto Ramirez in his last fight at the

1758
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:11,640
Speaker 1: highest level. Here you talk about bull and Matador. This

1759
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 1: is going to be fun theater that we're calling him Saturday.

1760
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 1: I'm fired up.

1761
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 2: Yeah. How about these for boxing odds?

1762
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 3: Unieski Gonzalez minus one sixty five, Andre Durell plus one thirty.

1763
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 3: How often do you see boxing fights like that? Not

1764
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:25,680
Speaker 3: very often. That tells you exactly how well matched and

1765
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 3: competitive this is. And Durell we spoke to him this week.

1766
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 3: He seems ready to go. Obviously, he's longer in the tooth,

1767
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 3: and I think some of that is probably him just

1768
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 3: trying to find a way to focus given that, you know,

1769
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 3: how many of these big opportunities is he going to

1770
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 3: have left? You know, they're probably short in number. But

1771
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:44,640
Speaker 3: this is a very very closely contested affair should be

1772
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:45,920
Speaker 3: a very fun one as well.

1773
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Durell is such a slick boxer. He's moved up

1774
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 1: to light heavyweight, he's won on you know, on some

1775
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 1: lower level matchmaking since making that adjustment. But this is

1776
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:55,800
Speaker 1: this is the tough test to see if he can

1777
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:58,799
Speaker 1: still make noise in this division. Look, it was interesting

1778
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:01,759
Speaker 1: that we did ask him about his brother getting knocked

1779
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:04,519
Speaker 1: out by Caleb Plant and Plant doing the grave digger

1780
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 1: on him, and he was like, respectful. He's like, look,

1781
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:08,720
Speaker 1: my brother talked a lot of shit. I can't be

1782
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:10,760
Speaker 1: too mad at Caleb. I like that answer, right.

1783
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, You've got to be at piece

1784
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 3: with it, and he seemed to be at piece with it,

1785
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 3: so that was the right answer.

1786
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1787
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 1: Julian j Rock Williams back as well as also a

1788
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 1: rematch to open the card between two unbeaten Walter Wait's

1789
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 1: fresh off their draw early this year, so we'll check

1790
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 1: that out. Hey, Showtime, Scott, you covered here six thirty

1791
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 1: pm with us on the prelimbs on the Showtime Sports

1792
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:33,640
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. Then tune in at eight pm Eastern Showtime

1793
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 1: you can watch Anderson Silva, Jake Paul the Rate airing

1794
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 1: and nine pm Eastern a triple header from Minneapolis. Don't

1795
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 1: miss it, Okay, support us like we support you with

1796
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:48,040
Speaker 1: this great free content and very little ad reads. I

1797
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 1: might add today oh, Luke, we got a couple bits

1798
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:52,599
Speaker 1: of news here that I want to get you, and

1799
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 1: one is have you checked the MMA highlines in the

1800
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 1: last couple of days, Luke, you're in them, bro your.

1801
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 3: Front page news sort of.

1802
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 1: We don't just win awards on here. Sometimes Morning Combat

1803
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 1: makes news. TJ. Dillashaw, fresh off of losing his title

1804
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:11,920
Speaker 1: opportunity against Aljamaine Sterling, the shoulder injury was a big

1805
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:14,160
Speaker 1: part of it. Luke and I both on Morning Combat,

1806
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 1: like a lot of people in this space, had our

1807
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 1: own opinions on the situation. Should he have been in there?

1808
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,639
Speaker 1: It's obviously a great area. Were praising Ghanu for going

1809
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 1: in there with a busted knee and winning against Cyril Gon.

1810
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 1: We lie, you know, we villainize TJ. Dillashaw. Well, he

1811
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:32,080
Speaker 1: took umbrage with your analysis and he went on Areel

1812
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 1: Hajwane's MMA hour. I believe we got sound from this

1813
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 1: to put to put this in context, let's let's hear

1814
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 1: from tj.

1815
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 2: Uh.

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01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I don't pay attention too much, but

1817
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 7: when I do, it's kind of like, you know, like

1818
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 7: you went into a fight injury.

1819
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 4: Why the fucks you do that?

1820
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 7: And you know, you like, the one thing that really

1821
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 7: made me, Matt was Luke Thomas talking about how it

1822
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 7: was a scam, like borderline being a scam going into

1823
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 7: the fight.

1824
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 1: It's like Jesus, like.

1825
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 7: I'm not being like, I'm not being thrown to the

1826
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:01,559
Speaker 7: bus and no flucky things that I went in there

1827
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 7: to collect a paycheck, Like I went in there to

1828
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 7: believe with the utmost belief that I was gonna win,

1829
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:07,720
Speaker 7: and I was gonna get that fight back, and I

1830
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 7: was going to get my title back, something I've been

1831
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 7: waiting to do for three and a half years and

1832
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 7: chomping at the bit. And I just beat Corey Sandley

1833
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 7: says Haying Hagan on one leg and one eye. You know, like,

1834
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 7: why could would I not believe that I can go

1835
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 7: in there and be a guy that I think is

1836
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 7: less dangerous and that I match up with really well.

1837
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 7: The shoulder obviously came out sooner than I hoped, and

1838
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 7: I came out and didn't go back in, which on

1839
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:33,600
Speaker 7: average was not the case. So unfortunate.

1840
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 1: Look are we live. I have no idea what's going on.

1841
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't quite hear.

1842
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 1: All right, Hopefully people heard that Luke. But if they didn't,

1843
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 1: can you just frame that that the key words here

1844
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:56,640
Speaker 1: that TJO took issue.

1845
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 3: With it, it was it was remember what I said,

1846
01:24:58,080 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 3: which was it's not. I was like, I'm not going

1847
01:24:59,880 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 3: to call it fraud, it's not. But the question was,

1848
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 3: you know, is it borderline? That was the word that

1849
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:06,760
Speaker 3: I used to me. It was like a little bit

1850
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 3: like borderline fraud. Which I showed that to my wife

1851
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 3: and she was like, I can see not what She

1852
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 3: didn't just necessarily disagree with the merits of what I

1853
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:14,880
Speaker 3: was saying, but that why that would be such a

1854
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 3: incendiary kind of thing for him to latch onto, which

1855
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:20,759
Speaker 3: you know, in retrospect I can understand as well. I mean, listen,

1856
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 3: I don't like getting sideways with fighters. It seems to

1857
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 3: happen more than I would like. But it certainly is

1858
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:27,639
Speaker 3: not a thing that I try to But I guess

1859
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 3: if you're gonna say what you're gonna say in a

1860
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 3: role like this, you have to accept that people are

1861
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 3: going to have an opinion about what you say as well.

1862
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 3: Still going back to the merits of it, BC And

1863
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:38,720
Speaker 3: by the way, like TJ Delishaw is Tough's TJ Dila

1864
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 3: Shaw is tough in a sport where everyone is tough,

1865
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:42,639
Speaker 3: and he's tough among them.

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01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:45,680
Speaker 1: And I do think he's insanely tough. Yeah, when you

1867
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 1: want to call him a cheater, it's part of that

1868
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:50,720
Speaker 1: insane drive you fought. Say like you said he fought

1869
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 1: Santagan on one leg, you got to pull him out

1870
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 1: of there.

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01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's exactly right, Like he got his I think

1872
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 3: it was his knee popped by Sanagan with a heel

1873
01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:59,200
Speaker 3: hook at the end of the first round and then

1874
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 3: still manage to find a way to come back and

1875
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 3: win the subsequent rounds. Like TJ has high fight IQ,

1876
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 3: he always comes in shape. He you know, is Is is

1877
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 3: as tough as fucking nails. Like I'll give him credit

1878
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 3: on all of those things, but I just can't say

1879
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 3: that it's anything other than a really epic miscalculation. I mean,

1880
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:19,560
Speaker 3: and either way you want to look at it. And

1881
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 3: what was interesting was I think he took umbrage with

1882
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 3: the idea. So so basically there's two interpretations, right BC.

1883
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:27,679
Speaker 3: So one interpretation would be that, you know, the shoulder

1884
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 3: was banged up. They kind of knew it was banged up,

1885
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 3: but he hadn't worked, and you know, even I think

1886
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 3: he had three fights in three years. He just hadn't

1887
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:37,719
Speaker 3: really had much money to to to collect.

1888
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 2: There wasn't it wasn't competing.

1889
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:41,720
Speaker 3: And so I my, if you watch the post fight

1890
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:44,320
Speaker 3: show I did on MK, I actually thought that that

1891
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 3: that that never even occurred to me. I thought that

1892
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 3: he thought he was too tough. We'll get to the

1893
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 3: art he thought he would win. We'll get to that

1894
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 3: interpretation in a second. But one interpretation, and again who

1895
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 3: you can you can decide for yourself out there, which

1896
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:56,679
Speaker 3: one is correct. One interpretation was that he just needed

1897
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 3: to check. And like, I wouldn't think that that is great,

1898
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:01,720
Speaker 3: but like you would you can kind of be like, well,

1899
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:04,760
Speaker 3: I mean you still shouldn't do that, but you know,

1900
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 3: the fight game being what it is, I could I

1901
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 3: could kind of understand that.

1902
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 2: To be quite honest with you, I wouldn't. I wouldn't.

1903
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 3: Again, you wouldn't agree with either of them, but you

1904
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 3: could kind of be like, okay, whatever. But it's the

1905
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 3: other one. What he's claim is that he actually believed

1906
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:18,600
Speaker 3: he could win. And I just think that that's a

1907
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:22,599
Speaker 3: really it's just not sound judgment. And and more to

1908
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:25,640
Speaker 3: the point, and this is the thing I raised on

1909
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 3: on our show, not so much on my post fight

1910
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:30,679
Speaker 3: show that obviously both are on MK. It's like, listen,

1911
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 3: what he's telling us is that, you know, he couldn't

1912
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 3: he couldn't really throw it for striking. I mean he

1913
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:36,519
Speaker 3: could a little bit, but that wasn't what he was

1914
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 3: so worried about. He knew he was gonna be fighting

1915
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,640
Speaker 3: Aljabaine Sterling, and so he knew wrestling and grappling was

1916
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 3: going to be involved. Well, what did we say on

1917
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 3: this show in the weeks leading up to it? I

1918
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 3: said explicitly, the watch out like TJ dilshow, could get

1919
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 3: his He loves to kick. He can get his kicks caught.

1920
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:53,719
Speaker 3: And one of the very best ways that Sterling finds

1921
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 3: his operations on the ground is by catching kicks. That's

1922
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 3: exactly what happened. And then the first time he went

1923
01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:00,680
Speaker 3: to post, the very first time he went to, the

1924
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 3: shoulder came completely out. He survived the round, he came

1925
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 3: back out. There was another grappling exchange a couple minutes later,

1926
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 3: and the shoulder came back out. Now his claim is

1927
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 3: that you know, there were some shoulder like small dislocations

1928
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:13,280
Speaker 3: that happened in the course of camp and they were

1929
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 3: able to pop pop back in. You know, I don't

1930
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 3: know if that's true or not. That's his testimony, But

1931
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:23,640
Speaker 3: the reality is the instant it got road tested. It

1932
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:27,680
Speaker 3: it didn't just fail. It failed like immediately. It failed immediately,

1933
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:29,920
Speaker 3: and he survived the round. He came back out and

1934
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 3: it failed almost immediately again. Whatever calculation he had made

1935
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 3: about the do ability of this was clearly wrong, like

1936
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 3: really wrong. And like when I say, well, yeah, of

1937
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 3: course after the fact, it's easy to say you got

1938
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 3: it wrong, But like the reality is, because I guess

1939
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 3: what he told Bredeko Moda what had happened was he

1940
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 3: was on antibiotics because he had a staff infection, which

1941
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 3: is fucking terrible. And if you guys have never taken

1942
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 3: antibiotics before most people have. They can weaken your your

1943
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 3: connective tissue. That's actually a real thing that happens, and

1944
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,680
Speaker 3: it happened to him. I believe that. I absolutely believe that.

1945
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:03,600
Speaker 3: But if your shoulder is coming out, I think you

1946
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 3: even said on fight we get it popped out two

1947
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 3: different times, Like, dude, you are quite clearly not in

1948
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:10,760
Speaker 3: a position to be able to perform you have to

1949
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 3: have yes, and the line is gray. The line is gray,

1950
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 3: But you absolutely have to have basic functionality of your

1951
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 3: appendages and limbs.

1952
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 2: You have to. And he didn't.

1953
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:23,640
Speaker 3: And if he's saying, well, it wasn't that bad in

1954
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:26,160
Speaker 3: wrestling and training, I mean you can accept that. You

1955
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:28,680
Speaker 3: cannot accept that. But that didn't match the reality of

1956
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 3: the fight at all, at all, at all, zero none.

1957
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 3: His body collapsed on him immediately immediately upon road test.

1958
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 3: And there's one more component to this BC, which is

1959
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 3: like everyone's like, oh, you gotta let the fighters make

1960
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 3: their choices. Dude, I've said this a million times. If

1961
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 3: you're gonna do this job, you must listen to the fighters.

1962
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 3: You must put their voice in every conversation around this

1963
01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:56,439
Speaker 3: because in many ways they're the most important stakeholder, but

1964
01:29:56,479 --> 01:29:59,360
Speaker 3: they're not the only stakeholder. They don't get like, the

1965
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 3: sport is not regulated by the fighters. The sport is

1966
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 3: regulated by a series of different uh you know, I

1967
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 3: would say, there's just different interests, different roles being played

1968
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 3: by the governing body, by the medical staff, and in

1969
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:15,680
Speaker 3: this particular case, BC, by the consumer. Dude, Like, you

1970
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:18,599
Speaker 3: can't you can't sell that to the consumer. You can't

1971
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 3: be that compromised where the moment, the moment you do

1972
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 3: something is basic as planting an arm that had been

1973
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:29,599
Speaker 3: previously coming out however bad, you can decide however bad.

1974
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 3: But the moment you even put weight on it, it

1975
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:35,759
Speaker 3: comes out and makes you completely incapable of fighting against

1976
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:37,840
Speaker 3: Algebner Sterling. And then it does it again in the

1977
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:40,840
Speaker 3: subsequent round. Dude, you're not physically able to perform. You

1978
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 3: don't have basic functionality of your appendages and limbs. You

1979
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 3: should not be in a position where then you're telling

1980
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:48,439
Speaker 3: the fans to pay money for this. I do not

1981
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:50,599
Speaker 3: believe that to be a fair thing to do to them.

1982
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:51,240
Speaker 3: I really don't.

1983
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 2: You gotta and I understand. I understand something. I understand that.

1984
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 3: That the situations you and I know this BC. We've

1985
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 3: been around the five game a long time. Sometimes they're

1986
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 3: blurry as shit, Dude, Sometimes there isn't an easy and

1987
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 3: obvious call.

1988
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:02,720
Speaker 2: I understand it.

1989
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:05,639
Speaker 1: More often than not, they're blurry, more often not more often.

1990
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 3: Than not, they're blurry shit. This one was not hard

1991
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 3: to get right. It was not hard to get right.

1992
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:11,720
Speaker 3: I understand. There are other circumstances that made him want

1993
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 3: to do that, but this one was not hard to

1994
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 3: get right. And there's one more about this. It's like

1995
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:18,800
Speaker 3: the entire the entire reasoning about this is like, oh, well,

1996
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:21,040
Speaker 3: Aljaman strolling is one of the easiest guys to beat. Like,

1997
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:24,880
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I don't believe that. Like I don't believe

1998
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 3: that he wears that belt accidentally or fortuitously. I understand

1999
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:33,680
Speaker 3: he's got his own limitations and TJ fully healthy. We're

2000
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 3: obviously talking about a completely different scenario. But like you

2001
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:41,160
Speaker 3: want me to accept baked into your idea that like

2002
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 3: Aljaman's kind of easy to beat, I don't accept that.

2003
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:45,880
Speaker 2: I don't.

2004
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:47,679
Speaker 3: I don't accept that at all. I don't think that's

2005
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 3: sound judgment either. So like every way you dice this,

2006
01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:55,840
Speaker 3: there's just a level of decision making around prudence that

2007
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:57,840
Speaker 3: got completely pushed to the side.

2008
01:31:57,840 --> 01:31:59,760
Speaker 2: I don't think he's a bad guy, but I.

2009
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:03,599
Speaker 3: Do think he made a really, really poor, indefensible calculation here.

2010
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:06,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, deare prudence right? Won't you come out here?

2011
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 3: Tell me what I'm missing? Here, tell me what I'm.

2012
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:11,040
Speaker 1: Not No, you're not missing anything. So look, there's a

2013
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 1: couple layers to this. It's like one I mean, look,

2014
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:16,400
Speaker 1: we're in the hot take business. Our job is not

2015
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:16,760
Speaker 1: saying that.

2016
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:19,320
Speaker 3: You but I'm not doing the stephen A. Smith thing

2017
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:21,240
Speaker 3: where I want free clicks or not. I don't want

2018
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:22,920
Speaker 3: that smoke in general.

2019
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 1: Look, it's our job to take situations that are largely

2020
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 1: always gray and just you know, pick a side based

2021
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:30,599
Speaker 1: on our true beliefs. We do that. It's not always

2022
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:32,559
Speaker 1: going to make everybody happy. Is there a way you

2023
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 1: can pick apart our strategies and go the other way? Yes,

2024
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 1: these areas are largely gray. We did praise in Ghanu

2025
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:40,519
Speaker 1: for doing the exact same thing, and now we're gonna

2026
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 1: villainize TEG. I think the difference is we're going on

2027
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:45,679
Speaker 1: the facts that we had, and one of the major

2028
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:47,600
Speaker 1: piece of facts that we had with CJ getting on

2029
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:50,360
Speaker 1: the mic and while apologizing, which you know was a

2030
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 1: humble move there in a lot of ways, he's also

2031
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 1: revealing that he injured it badly in April and it

2032
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 1: came out twenty times during training camp. That's the reason

2033
01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 1: I think why you and I shifted toward that side

2034
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:03,040
Speaker 1: of it, and why he saw whatever video he did

2035
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:04,719
Speaker 1: and you know, could have been taken out of context,

2036
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:08,639
Speaker 1: could have been anything and took umbradge. Look, look, you know, no, no,

2037
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:11,000
Speaker 1: no headlines are bad headlines. I'm you know, I'm glad

2038
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:13,400
Speaker 1: you made some MMA fighting headlines. They're finally, Luke, they're

2039
01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:15,680
Speaker 1: giving you the close up that they never did that

2040
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 1: you deserve. I'm kidding, but it's it's a gray area, okay.

2041
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:22,960
Speaker 1: But in this case, with that information, it's hard not

2042
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 1: to do the whole that he just at this age,

2043
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 1: after that much time off, you know, just go fit.

2044
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 1: Let's get the paycheck and try our best. I mean, look,

2045
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:31,880
Speaker 1: I do agree he's that dude. You're gonna have to

2046
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 1: physically remove him. But with that information that we knew,

2047
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:36,800
Speaker 1: I think it did change it. I have no problem

2048
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 1: with him being up to set, just like in general,

2049
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:40,200
Speaker 1: just like with the David, just like the you excuse me,

2050
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:43,360
Speaker 1: the Riah Hall situation. Like, dude, we're gonna say stuff.

2051
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:45,320
Speaker 1: It's our job to say stuff, and whether people hear

2052
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:48,080
Speaker 1: it in full contest or partial context, or whether they're

2053
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 1: sensitive or not, or whether we're just assholes, it may

2054
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:53,200
Speaker 1: piss them off. And that's the result. That's the game

2055
01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:55,679
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. But I respect TJ.

2056
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 1: Dill Sharleck one of my favorite fighters, straight up, regardless

2057
01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:01,200
Speaker 1: of anything he's done. I didn't like this situation, you know,

2058
01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:03,960
Speaker 1: And it is a larger gray area. It's tough because

2059
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:06,920
Speaker 1: if they pull out Luke, they've probably invested a ton

2060
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 1: of money in camp and in TJ's situation with all

2061
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 1: the injuries in the long layoffs and that they kind

2062
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:13,360
Speaker 1: of held up the title for him, it's probably never

2063
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 1: getting another chance. So I get the situation, but it

2064
01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:19,880
Speaker 1: doesn't mean when you make decisions and make certain key

2065
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:22,840
Speaker 1: comments that people won't hear that and have their own opinion.

2066
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:24,680
Speaker 1: And I don't think either of us are, particularly you

2067
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 1: in this case, we're being unfair in that. Okay, did

2068
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:29,880
Speaker 1: everyone really say Luke Thomas, who's that on the air

2069
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:31,519
Speaker 1: that somebody with somebody sent me that?

2070
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:33,880
Speaker 2: They really don't know? I didn't hear that part, but whatever,

2071
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 2: I don't care.

2072
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:35,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, you want a war?

2073
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:35,599
Speaker 5: AREO?

2074
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 1: Is this what you're trying to do here?

2075
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:37,080
Speaker 2: Man?

2076
01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 1: All right? So Luke, that happened, But you know, I

2077
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:44,800
Speaker 1: mean more people got to read Luke Thomas, you know,

2078
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:45,760
Speaker 1: So I'm happy about it.

2079
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:47,640
Speaker 3: I'm sure, I'm sure I won over a lot of

2080
01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:48,400
Speaker 3: people like that.

2081
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:50,719
Speaker 1: Sure, you caught a lot of followers.

2082
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:51,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure that was great.

2083
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:53,320
Speaker 3: I mean again, this is not the kind of like,

2084
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:55,040
Speaker 3: you know, like you gotta have to accept it if

2085
01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 3: it happens this way. But it's not the kind of

2086
01:34:56,920 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 3: thing I'm looking for. It's just, you know, everyone wants

2087
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 3: to make this a question of like, let's just defer

2088
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:03,840
Speaker 3: to the fighter in this case. But if you have

2089
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:08,760
Speaker 3: to conceal an injury that significantly, that an injury that significant,

2090
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:13,040
Speaker 3: that thoroughly through the process, and then it immediately fails

2091
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 3: upon test, you know, like, what do you want?

2092
01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:19,040
Speaker 1: What do you pay?

2093
01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:19,680
Speaker 2: Customers?

2094
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:22,479
Speaker 1: People are paying to see a certain level of entertainment

2095
01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:24,360
Speaker 1: that in this case they didn't get it, and there

2096
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:26,640
Speaker 1: seemed to be reasons that maybe it shouldn't happen. That's

2097
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:28,439
Speaker 1: the end of story. I stand by that, all right.

2098
01:35:28,479 --> 01:35:28,639
Speaker 2: Looke.

2099
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:32,599
Speaker 1: Topic number four, Hey, good news boxing fans. It's twenty

2100
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:35,800
Speaker 1: twenty two and Terrence Crawford and Errol Spence finally went

2101
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 1: head to head and fought it out two nights ago

2102
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:44,280
Speaker 1: on Twitter, Luke, we won't paste all the tweets and

2103
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:46,720
Speaker 1: there back and forth, or Oscar de la Hoya trying

2104
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 1: to parachute in and take Spence's side, and look, you know,

2105
01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:51,519
Speaker 1: everybody has a side at the end of the day.

2106
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:54,519
Speaker 1: I don't think Spencer Crawford gonna fight each other anytime soon.

2107
01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:58,240
Speaker 1: Erol Spence responded to that long ig video from Crawford.

2108
01:35:58,439 --> 01:36:00,920
Speaker 1: He gave his side of the story, Bud came back,

2109
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:03,599
Speaker 1: they went back and forth. It's he said, he said

2110
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:05,240
Speaker 1: till the end. Look, I actually think give shot out

2111
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:07,519
Speaker 1: to Kevin Ioli. I don't always love all of his opinions,

2112
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:09,200
Speaker 1: but he had a I thought an excellent column on

2113
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:12,559
Speaker 1: Yahoo Sports basically saying, look, this summed up what's inherently

2114
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 1: wrong with boxing. This is a fight that that didn't

2115
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:19,800
Speaker 1: have large hurdles in theory to clear should have been made.

2116
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:22,720
Speaker 1: But in this era of you know, he brought the

2117
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 1: biggest point, the most clear point. In my eyes. Crawford

2118
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:27,800
Speaker 1: was overpaid for a long time by ESPN Top rank

2119
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:30,680
Speaker 1: to keep him there and keep him happy. And you know,

2120
01:36:31,240 --> 01:36:34,360
Speaker 1: whether you believe his side or not, it seems all

2121
01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:36,760
Speaker 1: Spencer Crawford wanted to do in the last forty eight

2122
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:38,720
Speaker 1: hours was continue to point the finger at each other,

2123
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 1: rather than coming to the conclusion of okay, why don't

2124
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:44,320
Speaker 1: we get offline, get in the same room, make this work,

2125
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:46,880
Speaker 1: try to see if we can save it. Look after

2126
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:48,880
Speaker 1: this back and forth, I mean I hate to say

2127
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:51,200
Speaker 1: this as a as a hardcore boxing fan, and you know,

2128
01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:54,799
Speaker 1: do we believe one side is more at fault? Maybe

2129
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:57,639
Speaker 1: even if you do, but even separate from that, this

2130
01:36:57,680 --> 01:36:58,439
Speaker 1: is a horrible.

2131
01:36:58,479 --> 01:36:58,719
Speaker 3: Look.

2132
01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 1: They didn't end that Twitter beef with hey, let's settle

2133
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:04,880
Speaker 1: it in the ring. It's just you're the reason we're

2134
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:10,400
Speaker 1: not fighting. And I mean, man, fuck this right, it

2135
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:11,120
Speaker 1: just blows.

2136
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:14,679
Speaker 3: This is terrible blow back and forth and back and forth.

2137
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:18,840
Speaker 3: It's like, dude, I mean the fact in theory could like,

2138
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:22,719
Speaker 3: did anyone get convinced about who was to blame based

2139
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:23,599
Speaker 3: on how they tweeted?

2140
01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:24,639
Speaker 2: Right?

2141
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:28,120
Speaker 1: No? No? I mean look I did, like you know, Spence,

2142
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:29,600
Speaker 1: I thought had some good tweets of you know, not

2143
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:31,800
Speaker 1: all money is good money and look, you know, the

2144
01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:35,639
Speaker 1: more you dig on BLK Prime and the people behind

2145
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:37,760
Speaker 1: it and the history of the bankruptcies, I mean, look,

2146
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:39,600
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of reason to believe why and

2147
01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:41,680
Speaker 1: al Hayman Spence wouldn't want to jump at that. I

2148
01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:44,120
Speaker 1: do think it's interesting what Crawford says about, how is

2149
01:37:44,120 --> 01:37:45,479
Speaker 1: there no guarantee on this fight?

2150
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:45,760
Speaker 4: You know?

2151
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:48,360
Speaker 1: But again I think I only said it best. None

2152
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:50,200
Speaker 1: of us actually are there. None of us have read

2153
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:51,760
Speaker 1: the contract, none of us have had it. So we

2154
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:55,280
Speaker 1: can just sit here and basically just watch and eat

2155
01:37:55,320 --> 01:38:00,160
Speaker 1: popcorn at two all time great boxers exchanging poorly and

2156
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:02,960
Speaker 1: tweets at one another. Luke, the only good thing about

2157
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:06,280
Speaker 1: this situation and there's really nothing. And look, you won't

2158
01:38:06,280 --> 01:38:08,280
Speaker 1: hold the same optism, but I do have a shred

2159
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:11,360
Speaker 1: left of optimism that if Crawford, if that Crawford avenis

2160
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:13,719
Speaker 1: and fight actually happens December tenth, and if Crawford wins

2161
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:16,160
Speaker 1: like he should, and if Spence, who kind of indicated

2162
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:18,000
Speaker 1: his tweets that he's got another fight lined up, let's

2163
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:20,080
Speaker 1: say it's Keith Thurman in a big pay per view.

2164
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 1: Could they still fight next you? Yeah, they probably they could.

2165
01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:25,720
Speaker 1: I think the bigger question is how irreparable is the damage,

2166
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:28,880
Speaker 1: you know, monetarily in terms of the public interest. But

2167
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:32,559
Speaker 1: I have very little good news except for this, Luke.

2168
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:34,960
Speaker 1: There's a there's an old Wise sage in the boxing

2169
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:38,040
Speaker 1: game that I don't think gets credit for his opinions.

2170
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 1: The way he puts words together and delivers them, like

2171
01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:43,920
Speaker 1: his ability to put punches together and deliver them. Luke,

2172
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:48,600
Speaker 1: you may be surprised that I'm this entertained by Rolando Romero.

2173
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:51,759
Speaker 3: You know, Roly, right, but you're really about to play.

2174
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:56,559
Speaker 1: A Rolly was on this Dude's podcast. Should I get

2175
01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:58,040
Speaker 1: this guy's name? What's this guy's name on?

2176
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:00,280
Speaker 2: Don't? I don't remember. I don't remember. He's look a

2177
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:01,760
Speaker 2: nice guy, but I don't remember his name.

2178
01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:03,720
Speaker 1: I don't have the guy. We'll probably see it on

2179
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:06,760
Speaker 1: the screen that Roly was on this guy's podcast. And

2180
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:09,120
Speaker 1: here's what Roley has to say about Spencer Crawford. Let's

2181
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:09,960
Speaker 1: go to the videotape.

2182
01:39:10,720 --> 01:39:12,840
Speaker 2: What do you think about Crawford Spence not happening.

2183
01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:17,519
Speaker 5: I think Crawford's a pussy. I think Aero Fence Junior

2184
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:20,120
Speaker 5: is a pussy. And they're scared of each other, you know,

2185
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:22,600
Speaker 5: you know how like when you're like get like like

2186
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:25,240
Speaker 5: like two chiwawas right, and you put one one one

2187
01:39:25,240 --> 01:39:26,600
Speaker 5: on one side, they just bark each other and they

2188
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:28,160
Speaker 5: when they put them next to each other, they just

2189
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:29,639
Speaker 5: sit there and look at each other and they don't

2190
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:32,120
Speaker 5: do shit. Yeah, that's kind of that's kind of what

2191
01:39:32,200 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 5: Spence and Crawford is. But honestly, they're they're they're both

2192
01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:37,880
Speaker 5: scared of each other, Like they want to put the

2193
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:40,960
Speaker 5: blame on on Crawford and then they want to put

2194
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:44,000
Speaker 5: the blame on Spence, and Spence wants to put the

2195
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 5: blame on Crawford. Crawford wants to put the blame on Spence.

2196
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:48,879
Speaker 5: But honestly, between both of them, they're they're both pussies

2197
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:50,599
Speaker 5: because if you want to make it happen, you'd make

2198
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:54,360
Speaker 5: it happen. Like me, at the end of it, I

2199
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:57,639
Speaker 5: made whatever the fuck I wanted happen. I forced that ship.

2200
01:39:57,640 --> 01:39:59,160
Speaker 5: If I say I do something, I'm gonna do it

2201
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:02,839
Speaker 5: carry you know. Like I said, they're not that interested

2202
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:06,320
Speaker 5: in becoming the four belt division champion, the first ever

2203
01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:09,600
Speaker 5: in history. They're not interested in that. Crawford is a

2204
01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:13,640
Speaker 5: cheap fuck, probably the cheapest motherfucker in boxing history. Like

2205
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:17,120
Speaker 5: this motherfucker is. Man, I feel bad for Crawford, Man,

2206
01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 5: I really do feel bad for Crawford. He's cheap, he's

2207
01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:22,960
Speaker 5: ugly as fuck, he can't sell a fight to save

2208
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:26,280
Speaker 5: his fucking life.

2209
01:40:28,520 --> 01:40:30,800
Speaker 1: Looke, There's a lot more in this interview. So it's

2210
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:33,519
Speaker 1: Harrison Klop. He follows me on Twitter. I just followed

2211
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:35,400
Speaker 1: it back, Luke shout, I mean he works for Fight

2212
01:40:35,439 --> 01:40:38,880
Speaker 1: Guys Media. He did that sit down interview. Uh, Luke,

2213
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:42,200
Speaker 1: Let's get your reaction first to Roly? Is there any

2214
01:40:42,280 --> 01:40:45,920
Speaker 1: truth in his hilarity there and his his dead pen delivery.

2215
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:49,599
Speaker 3: Of Harrison Clop looks like a really nice put together,

2216
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:51,720
Speaker 3: you know, media guy out here doing his job, and

2217
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:55,599
Speaker 3: they look like two completely different Like the two people

2218
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:58,599
Speaker 3: could not be more opposites than Harrison Klop and Roly

2219
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:00,680
Speaker 3: Ramirez what was his last name?

2220
01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:03,759
Speaker 2: I can't remember anything, Ramires?

2221
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:06,439
Speaker 1: I mean I don't want to, Yeah, do you? I mean,

2222
01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:07,719
Speaker 1: I love cross.

2223
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:10,800
Speaker 3: Let me ask a question about this, BECI and if

2224
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:13,320
Speaker 3: I'm wrong, please tell me I'm wrong, because I you know,

2225
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:16,439
Speaker 3: I don't want to overstep in a place where that

2226
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:20,320
Speaker 3: there's no evidentiary backing for it. But I do wonder

2227
01:41:20,360 --> 01:41:23,160
Speaker 3: about something because there was a constant criticism of Bud

2228
01:41:23,240 --> 01:41:26,559
Speaker 3: being under top rank, getting less lesser than competition, not

2229
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:29,559
Speaker 3: every time, but often right, and the art sense moving

2230
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:33,720
Speaker 3: up to Welter, and the idea would be there that

2231
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:35,720
Speaker 3: like well that wasn't his fault because top rank had

2232
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:37,320
Speaker 3: who they had and he did what he did. Okay,

2233
01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:39,760
Speaker 3: I can buy that a little bit. But when that

2234
01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:42,519
Speaker 3: happens and then combined, you're in the middle of a fight.

2235
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:45,120
Speaker 3: You're free. Now you could fight the number one guy,

2236
01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:47,320
Speaker 3: you can have all the belts. It's going to be

2237
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:50,840
Speaker 3: the biggest fight of your life to leave that negotiating

2238
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:54,680
Speaker 3: process take an easier fight with sketchier money. It's like,

2239
01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:57,680
Speaker 3: is there a through line between having easier competition at

2240
01:41:57,720 --> 01:41:59,800
Speaker 3: top rank He's now older, thirty five years old, he's

2241
01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:02,200
Speaker 3: going to be thirty six relatively soon, and then going

2242
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:05,240
Speaker 3: which is a you know, seems like a more an

2243
01:42:05,280 --> 01:42:08,960
Speaker 3: easier route but certainly a in terms of the competition,

2244
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:11,439
Speaker 3: but then like easier money, so to speak. Is there

2245
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:15,960
Speaker 3: any kind of commonality between those two phenomenon, I.

2246
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:17,960
Speaker 1: Mean there might be. I mean, you know, if you're

2247
01:42:18,040 --> 01:42:20,200
Speaker 1: more of the belief again of the stupid debate of

2248
01:42:20,240 --> 01:42:22,479
Speaker 1: who do you back based on either you're sourcing or

2249
01:42:22,479 --> 01:42:25,280
Speaker 1: the rumors you hear or just how it looks. You know,

2250
01:42:25,320 --> 01:42:27,800
Speaker 1: I've always never liked that bud, you know, through the years,

2251
01:42:27,800 --> 01:42:30,040
Speaker 1: because he gets asked about Spence every interview for about

2252
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:32,200
Speaker 1: five or six years kind of rightfully, so you know,

2253
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:35,160
Speaker 1: eventually got to the point through the frustrations of the

2254
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:37,040
Speaker 1: boxing political system that was just like I don't care

2255
01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:38,400
Speaker 1: if I ever find them. And he kind of stuck

2256
01:42:38,439 --> 01:42:40,439
Speaker 1: by that, and I feel like he's still kind of

2257
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:42,920
Speaker 1: leaning on that right now of like, well, things weren't

2258
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:45,559
Speaker 1: absolutely perfect for me, even though Spence says they gave

2259
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:49,080
Speaker 1: everything he asked for. Who knows, but yeah, this doesn't

2260
01:42:49,120 --> 01:42:50,680
Speaker 1: look great for Crawft. I mean, it doesn't look great

2261
01:42:50,680 --> 01:42:53,200
Speaker 1: to me for anyone to be fair. But if you're

2262
01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:55,160
Speaker 1: going to take Spence's side, I think there is reasons

2263
01:42:55,200 --> 01:42:57,559
Speaker 1: to point in poke at Bud and be like we

2264
01:42:57,560 --> 01:42:59,360
Speaker 1: were waiting forever for you to be free, and then

2265
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:03,080
Speaker 1: you were free and he didn't run right into this fight,

2266
01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:05,280
Speaker 1: and you know, with other good reasons. Is what he

2267
01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:08,920
Speaker 1: says true Again, like boxing fans shouldn't have to do this, Luke.

2268
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:11,760
Speaker 1: They shouldn't have to pick sides in some you know,

2269
01:43:12,120 --> 01:43:16,760
Speaker 1: almost mythical debate at the negotiation table. Like I'd love

2270
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:19,439
Speaker 1: if they put boxing negotiations on pay per view for

2271
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:21,000
Speaker 1: like two ninety nine and we just got to see

2272
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:23,040
Speaker 1: them and their representatives go back and forth, but like

2273
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:25,280
Speaker 1: they're not gonna do that. And then the reality is

2274
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:28,799
Speaker 1: boxing fans in this modern era, unless you're illegally streaming,

2275
01:43:29,200 --> 01:43:32,640
Speaker 1: has been forced to pay so much money out to

2276
01:43:32,680 --> 01:43:36,400
Speaker 1: consistently try to follow this sport and the news headlines

2277
01:43:36,439 --> 01:43:39,040
Speaker 1: and the stuff we fill time with on podcasts unfortunately

2278
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:42,360
Speaker 1: continually becomes the who's working with who, who doesn't want

2279
01:43:42,360 --> 01:43:44,040
Speaker 1: to work with who? How do we make this fight happen?

2280
01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:46,439
Speaker 1: I mean, Bud did not get the chance to fight

2281
01:43:46,479 --> 01:43:48,160
Speaker 1: great Walter Whitz. He had a fight, you know, and

2282
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:51,120
Speaker 1: after market Kelbrook and Namer Khan, and you know, he

2283
01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:52,720
Speaker 1: had to beat Jeff Horn Let's give him credit, who

2284
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:54,680
Speaker 1: won the belt from Paccio, And he did, you know,

2285
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:56,679
Speaker 1: I fought me and machine and got dropped, but beat him.

2286
01:43:56,760 --> 01:43:58,880
Speaker 1: But you know, he's lucky he was able to get

2287
01:43:58,920 --> 01:44:00,800
Speaker 1: that chance with Sean Porter, who was allowed to come

2288
01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:02,880
Speaker 1: over by PBC in that moment which looked to be

2289
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:05,320
Speaker 1: the set up this this big fight, and he won

2290
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:08,120
Speaker 1: that fight and it was a good fight. But I

2291
01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:09,800
Speaker 1: don't know, Look, I'm at the point where I'm really

2292
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:10,720
Speaker 1: sick of trying.

2293
01:44:10,479 --> 01:44:12,559
Speaker 2: To do this question.

2294
01:44:13,120 --> 01:44:15,720
Speaker 1: I really crop dusted everybody and it was funny to watch.

2295
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:17,360
Speaker 1: I don't agree with everything he said, but if you

2296
01:44:17,400 --> 01:44:19,559
Speaker 1: want to sit here and throw shots at both guys

2297
01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:21,439
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's like fans shouldn't

2298
01:44:21,479 --> 01:44:24,320
Speaker 1: have to try to pick who's who's telling the truth

2299
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:26,200
Speaker 1: and the negotiation. They should have to pick who's gonna

2300
01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:27,680
Speaker 1: win the fight. That's it, right, because they're gonna have

2301
01:44:27,680 --> 01:44:28,400
Speaker 1: to pay to watch the fight.

2302
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:30,200
Speaker 3: At the end, we'll say I found something interesting, which

2303
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:33,280
Speaker 3: was Spence also revealed he wasn't going to get a guarantee.

2304
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:34,679
Speaker 3: I don't know if I've ever heard of a fight

2305
01:44:34,840 --> 01:44:40,160
Speaker 3: like this magnitude that is that a new thing? I'm

2306
01:44:40,200 --> 01:44:41,160
Speaker 3: not how common is that.

2307
01:44:41,960 --> 01:44:44,120
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I don't remember it happening. So again,

2308
01:44:44,160 --> 01:44:45,559
Speaker 1: like I haven't seen the contract. I don't know if

2309
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:48,360
Speaker 1: we're wrong on how we're picking this out. But every

2310
01:44:48,680 --> 01:44:50,479
Speaker 1: that's why I said, lindsay, you know, every time Mayweather

2311
01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:52,639
Speaker 1: fought somebody, you found out what the guarantee for him

2312
01:44:52,640 --> 01:44:55,200
Speaker 1: and the opponent was from the commission reports, and obviously

2313
01:44:55,280 --> 01:44:58,360
Speaker 1: both would end up getting a certain amount of negotiated extras,

2314
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:00,880
Speaker 1: you know, from the pay per view results. But I

2315
01:45:00,920 --> 01:45:03,400
Speaker 1: don't understand this either, Luke. So that's why it's like,

2316
01:45:03,439 --> 01:45:05,559
Speaker 1: I can't completely be like, no, Bud's wrong here, let's

2317
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:07,639
Speaker 1: throw it at him. We're not in the meetings, We're

2318
01:45:07,640 --> 01:45:10,360
Speaker 1: not in that we don't know. But shout out again

2319
01:45:10,400 --> 01:45:13,519
Speaker 1: to Rollie on Harrison Cops. Luke, I read, I watched

2320
01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:15,200
Speaker 1: the whole interview because I'm a big Roly guy. I

2321
01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:18,160
Speaker 1: think his humor in delivery is just next level. I mean,

2322
01:45:18,200 --> 01:45:23,439
Speaker 1: the guy's deadpan, brilliant. He dropped major shit piles on

2323
01:45:23,479 --> 01:45:27,559
Speaker 1: Sugar Stevenson, Devin Haney, even Aero Spence. So Luke, he

2324
01:45:28,240 --> 01:45:30,160
Speaker 1: they were like, hey, do you want to fight Ryan Garcia?

2325
01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:32,120
Speaker 1: He went on this like two minute round of why

2326
01:45:32,160 --> 01:45:34,679
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to fight Ryan Garcia and then really goes,

2327
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:38,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait till welterwait where I'm gonna help him

2328
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:40,240
Speaker 1: work out his retirement plans and knock him the hell out.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the guy's so stupid, but it's perfect and

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Speaker 1: it's hilarious. This is what Rolely said. Here's who he

2331
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:48,720
Speaker 1: wants to fight Spence right now at welterweight. He wants

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01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:53,240
Speaker 1: to smoke Travonte in a rematch, and then a third opponent.

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01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:56,080
Speaker 1: He won't reveal, and Roley claims he's coming back in

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01:45:56,160 --> 01:46:00,160
Speaker 1: February against an opponent that will make boxing fans angry,

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01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:03,320
Speaker 1: but he says it's the kind of fight that you

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01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:05,600
Speaker 1: don't that that is hard to make in boxing, and

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01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:07,200
Speaker 1: you don't see it too often. Look, what does that

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01:46:07,240 --> 01:46:07,680
Speaker 1: even mean?

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01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:08,240
Speaker 4: Are you?

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01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:10,599
Speaker 1: Do you care? I feel like I'm the only boxing

2341
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:12,759
Speaker 1: fan that loves me some Roie, because all my friends

2342
01:46:12,760 --> 01:46:14,639
Speaker 1: I DM or text are like, get this guy away

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01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:17,240
Speaker 1: from me, dude, this guy's front row Prime Entertainment.

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01:46:17,240 --> 01:46:20,320
Speaker 2: All Right, dude, you love weirdos. I mean you just.

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01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:22,880
Speaker 1: He's my kind of weird Okay, Roly is my kind

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01:46:22,920 --> 01:46:23,200
Speaker 1: of weird.

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01:46:23,240 --> 01:46:25,720
Speaker 3: Al Right, I love a different kind of weirdo. But

2348
01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:29,479
Speaker 3: you love like in your face weirdos. I mean, you

2349
01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:30,960
Speaker 3: just can't get it. I mean maybe that's why you

2350
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:34,040
Speaker 3: work with me. I don't really know, but maybe it is. Okay, Yeah,

2351
01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:35,599
Speaker 3: you love that guy in a way that I.

2352
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:36,479
Speaker 2: Just can't understand.

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01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:39,360
Speaker 1: I'll be your Huckabee, I'll be your Rollie the rest

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01:46:39,400 --> 01:46:39,680
Speaker 1: of the way.

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01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:39,960
Speaker 2: Luke.

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Speaker 1: Okay, final bit of news here, Topic five. We just

2357
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:47,120
Speaker 1: gave you some boxing bad news. How about some boxing

2358
01:46:47,960 --> 01:46:52,920
Speaker 1: great news? Mike Coppinger of ESPN is reporting that we

2359
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:55,680
Speaker 1: may see because the WBC convention is going on this week,

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01:46:55,680 --> 01:46:58,519
Speaker 1: I believe in Cancun. The rumors are that they are

2361
01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:01,800
Speaker 1: going to make an interim super middleweight title at w

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01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:05,080
Speaker 1: in the WBC at one sixty eight. Right, Canelo's got

2363
01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:06,559
Speaker 1: all the belts, but he's gonna be out a while,

2364
01:47:07,160 --> 01:47:09,879
Speaker 1: and according to the social media channels of both fighters,

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01:47:10,360 --> 01:47:14,799
Speaker 1: Caleb Plant and David Benavitez have signed on, according to reports,

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01:47:15,200 --> 01:47:18,599
Speaker 1: for a pay per view bout in January. It's looking

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01:47:18,720 --> 01:47:22,760
Speaker 1: like for the interim title at one sixty eight. I

2368
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:24,880
Speaker 1: don't know if this is show top pay per viewer

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01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:27,640
Speaker 1: where this is going. We're just seeing reports here. No

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01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:30,360
Speaker 1: one officially has has made the move to announce it.

2371
01:47:30,640 --> 01:47:33,720
Speaker 1: Caleb Plant, though did put out a fight poster, did

2372
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:36,400
Speaker 1: show that he's willing to fight right after another Canelo,

2373
01:47:36,600 --> 01:47:41,519
Speaker 1: Anthony Durell now Benavidez. Luke, if people don't know, tell

2374
01:47:41,560 --> 01:47:43,280
Speaker 1: him how great this fight is. Fine, I mean, I

2375
01:47:43,320 --> 01:47:46,200
Speaker 1: am I'm itchin, I'm itching Luke, give me that shit,

2376
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:47,120
Speaker 1: give it to me.

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01:47:47,200 --> 01:47:47,679
Speaker 2: Amazing.

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01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:49,600
Speaker 3: This fight is one of the I mean yes, in

2379
01:47:49,680 --> 01:47:52,320
Speaker 3: the sea of bad news for boxing finally we got

2380
01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:54,880
Speaker 3: one made and I didn't even know Benavidez was supposed

2381
01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:57,800
Speaker 3: to be fighting Luskateegi and then that whole thing collapsed. Well,

2382
01:47:57,840 --> 01:48:00,400
Speaker 3: you want to talk about a, I mean if, if,

2383
01:48:00,520 --> 01:48:03,559
Speaker 3: if Benavitez versus Plant is the substitute for that or

2384
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:07,320
Speaker 3: Plan B, Plan B ended up being a shit ton

2385
01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:11,000
Speaker 3: better than Plan A. I love this contest. One sixty eight.

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01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:14,040
Speaker 3: You have a slickster who just had a phenomenal performance

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01:48:14,200 --> 01:48:17,320
Speaker 3: against Andre Durell's brother obviously on the what was it,

2388
01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:19,680
Speaker 3: the the Deontay Wilder card, knocking out his older brother

2389
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:21,599
Speaker 3: Anthony in a vicious fashion.

2390
01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:23,040
Speaker 2: That was a bit of a grudge match, right, He's

2391
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:23,479
Speaker 2: been in some.

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01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:25,640
Speaker 3: Grudge matches, like, he doesn't shy away from it, and

2393
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:28,800
Speaker 3: he won incredibly with the whole grave digger thing. We've

2394
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:31,559
Speaker 3: been over that, and then Benavetez has been looking for

2395
01:48:31,720 --> 01:48:34,160
Speaker 3: like a big time opponent, a big time name. Yes,

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01:48:34,200 --> 01:48:36,320
Speaker 3: he's had some transgressions in his career, losing his weight

2397
01:48:36,360 --> 01:48:38,439
Speaker 3: on or losing his title on the scales, and some

2398
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:42,040
Speaker 3: you know, some recreational drug mishaps and whatnot, But is

2399
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:46,879
Speaker 3: a combination puncher, fast hands, excellent, action oriented moves forward.

2400
01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:49,560
Speaker 3: So you've got two guys who basically, let me just

2401
01:48:49,800 --> 01:48:52,880
Speaker 3: have stated this, like you know, outside of the champions

2402
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:55,120
Speaker 3: like the real or the real champion in this way class,

2403
01:48:56,160 --> 01:49:00,160
Speaker 3: these two guys are people that are largely like, kind

2404
01:49:00,160 --> 01:49:03,479
Speaker 3: of avoided, and the two avoided guys are now going

2405
01:49:03,560 --> 01:49:07,720
Speaker 3: to meet together in their primes for a shot at

2406
01:49:07,800 --> 01:49:09,519
Speaker 3: you know, we'll see what happens with this. Obviously that's

2407
01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:11,960
Speaker 3: the interim title, but for something where it's like this

2408
01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:16,639
Speaker 3: is a real sorting moment just below the championship level

2409
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:18,040
Speaker 3: in this weight class.

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01:49:18,160 --> 01:49:19,479
Speaker 2: It's an interesting style clash.

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01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:22,599
Speaker 3: By the way, these two guys fucking hate each other

2412
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:25,839
Speaker 3: in the real they hate the like they hate everything

2413
01:49:26,479 --> 01:49:29,200
Speaker 3: everything you want from a fight, from grudge match to

2414
01:49:29,320 --> 01:49:32,360
Speaker 3: skill to end prime to like styles make fights. This

2415
01:49:32,479 --> 01:49:34,080
Speaker 3: has everything ticked off.

2416
01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:37,439
Speaker 1: And look, go on YouTube right now search Kala Plant

2417
01:49:37,479 --> 01:49:41,280
Speaker 1: and David Benavidez and you'll see multiple videos inside gyms

2418
01:49:41,280 --> 01:49:43,519
Speaker 1: over the years of them almost getting into huge brawls

2419
01:49:43,560 --> 01:49:45,960
Speaker 1: and Benavidez his brother and father getting involved him and

2420
01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:48,800
Speaker 1: they don't like each other. By the way, pale Plan

2421
01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:51,640
Speaker 1: is making t shirts of like comic book covers of

2422
01:49:51,720 --> 01:49:53,479
Speaker 1: him doing the grave diggers, so he's all in on it.

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01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:56,559
Speaker 1: This fight couldn't be more on time, not just because

2424
01:49:56,560 --> 01:50:00,679
Speaker 1: of the Spence Crawford frustration, but look, I mean, Plant

2425
01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:03,800
Speaker 1: just bounce back from that Canalo respectable Canelo loss with

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01:50:04,479 --> 01:50:06,720
Speaker 1: as good a performers, he not being a puncher, and

2427
01:50:06,720 --> 01:50:08,920
Speaker 1: he went in there and knocked Anthony Drell, a tough,

2428
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:11,680
Speaker 1: durable guy the hell out. And now he's gonna go

2429
01:50:11,720 --> 01:50:14,519
Speaker 1: in there in a fight that like okay on paper

2430
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:17,040
Speaker 1: style wise, Could this be an uppill battle because Benavidez

2431
01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:20,800
Speaker 1: is just a monster, Yes, But Caleb Plant is that

2432
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:24,120
Speaker 1: slickboxer and he's a good combination puncher, and he just

2433
01:50:24,160 --> 01:50:26,320
Speaker 1: showed against Durell that you know, may not be a

2434
01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:28,240
Speaker 1: power puncher, but if he hits you with a clean combination,

2435
01:50:28,280 --> 01:50:30,840
Speaker 1: he can get you out of there. Him attempting to

2436
01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:35,280
Speaker 1: be the matador to the bowl of Benavidez is that's

2437
01:50:35,560 --> 01:50:38,280
Speaker 1: musty TV. That is great boxing theater and in this

2438
01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:41,200
Speaker 1: division on a whole, Canelo's gonna come back from injury

2439
01:50:41,240 --> 01:50:44,519
Speaker 1: at some point next year spring, late spring, summer or whatever.

2440
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:46,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll see what the landscape is at

2441
01:50:46,760 --> 01:50:48,640
Speaker 1: once seventy five will he try to rematch beev All

2442
01:50:48,720 --> 01:50:51,080
Speaker 1: ors bev All gonna be heading into better beef, or

2443
01:50:51,120 --> 01:50:53,360
Speaker 1: is Canelo gonna come back and be forced to defend

2444
01:50:53,360 --> 01:50:55,680
Speaker 1: his titles whatever he has left at one sixty eight, Well,

2445
01:50:55,680 --> 01:50:58,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna have the winner of this fight. If David

2446
01:50:58,040 --> 01:51:00,080
Speaker 1: Morrell Junior wins this weekend, you're gonna have him. If

2447
01:51:00,160 --> 01:51:02,320
Speaker 1: Jamal Charlot moves up to one sixty eight, you're gonna

2448
01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:06,760
Speaker 1: have him. Business is picking up and that is great news. Look,

2449
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:08,439
Speaker 1: those are our five topics of the week. Thank you

2450
01:51:08,520 --> 01:51:10,719
Speaker 1: again a Dean Thomas. But we want to remind people

2451
01:51:10,720 --> 01:51:12,840
Speaker 1: when you're watching the fights this weekend, whether it's the

2452
01:51:13,320 --> 01:51:17,320
Speaker 1: Showtime Championship Boxing Countdown preliminary fights that we're calling there

2453
01:51:17,360 --> 01:51:20,679
Speaker 1: on the undercard, whether it's UFC, whether it's you know anything,

2454
01:51:21,320 --> 01:51:23,720
Speaker 1: you do want to be on the lookout for the risers,

2455
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:27,120
Speaker 1: the people that are coming the hell on the hashtag

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01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:33,320
Speaker 1: Holy Hammers. If you will, If you Will, if you will, Luke.

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01:51:33,360 --> 01:51:36,160
Speaker 1: This month, we are working with our favorite show sponsor,

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Speaker 1: The Hammer of the Month could be a boxer and mayfighter,

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Speaker 1: bar knuckler, whatever you got that's on the main car,

2466
01:51:57,600 --> 01:52:00,240
Speaker 1: on the you know, undercard or kicking off the main

2467
01:52:00,240 --> 01:52:03,120
Speaker 1: card there that might be under the radar, Luke, what

2468
01:52:03,160 --> 01:52:05,360
Speaker 1: should they do if they're watching fights and they see somebody,

2469
01:52:05,400 --> 01:52:07,240
Speaker 1: they go, oh, that's my guy right there. That MK

2470
01:52:07,400 --> 01:52:08,920
Speaker 1: needs to represent that guy, all right.

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Speaker 3: So what we're planning to do is highlight our nominees

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01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:13,639
Speaker 3: on the show and pick one winner at the end

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Speaker 3: So when you are watching fights over the weekend, let

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01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:26,599
Speaker 3: us know which fighters deserve this sweet award. Hop onto

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Speaker 3: use the hashtag. You can see it on the screen

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Speaker 3: right there, Hammer of the Month. Honestly, we'll accept holy

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Speaker 3: Hammer if you do that as well, but the preferred

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Speaker 3: one is certainly Hammer of the Month. And of course,

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Speaker 3: if you look at for more information about this real

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Speaker 1: on Instagram tech at tag at money Lion, and put

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Speaker 1: that hashtag Hammer the Month, Holy Hammer, holy balls, balls bonanza.

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Speaker 1: However you want to do it, we'll see you. Your

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Speaker 1: vote matters, and somebody's gonna get an MK hammer in

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Speaker 1: their in hole, Okay, Luke, I mean in box, in

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01:53:13,880 --> 01:53:18,559
Speaker 1: mail slot, hammer hole. I don't know, but that's it, Luke.

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01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:20,200
Speaker 1: A bit of breaking news in the moment. Here I

2495
01:53:20,200 --> 01:53:21,719
Speaker 1: got a little bit of it. Here we go. Amanda

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01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:24,400
Speaker 1: laim Mosh won fourteen and a half. She's in for

2497
01:53:24,479 --> 01:53:27,479
Speaker 1: Saturday night's UFC main event and in the Komine Neil

2498
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:32,000
Speaker 1: Magni won seventy point five. He is also in at welterweight.

2499
01:53:32,439 --> 01:53:34,840
Speaker 1: And what do you think? Quickly about this fight announcement?

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01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:36,720
Speaker 1: Are you ready for this? Ready you hear about this

2501
01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:41,800
Speaker 1: UFC Soul event. It'scot Soul, Luke? All right, it's gonna

2502
01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:46,960
Speaker 1: be Giga Chakatzi versus the Korean Zombie February fourth, according

2503
01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:49,439
Speaker 1: to at Judo Better nine to nine five. Is this

2504
01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:52,600
Speaker 1: a recutable source who's sharing this bullshit? Look? If this

2505
01:53:52,680 --> 01:53:53,519
Speaker 1: is real, you into this.

2506
01:53:53,800 --> 01:53:57,360
Speaker 3: If it's real, it's great. Tough five for Korean Zombie though,

2507
01:53:57,400 --> 01:54:01,479
Speaker 3: shit you get Chikazi is hard nose and has a

2508
01:54:01,720 --> 01:54:05,080
Speaker 3: rough kickboxing style. Man, that's a that's a tough fight

2509
01:54:05,200 --> 01:54:08,840
Speaker 3: for a dude who I think is probably close to

2510
01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:10,080
Speaker 3: the end of his run here.

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01:54:11,160 --> 01:54:13,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you on that. We should check

2512
01:54:13,080 --> 01:54:15,280
Speaker 1: that out when it comes around in February. All right, Luke,

2513
01:54:15,320 --> 01:54:17,720
Speaker 1: we say a lot of shit that TJ. Dillashaw or

2514
01:54:17,960 --> 01:54:19,920
Speaker 1: you're AA Hall or maybe you the listener think is

2515
01:54:20,120 --> 01:54:25,160
Speaker 1: absolute bullshit. So to make us stand trial and spread

2516
01:54:25,160 --> 01:54:29,920
Speaker 1: our legs across that l Morning combat at gmail dot com.

2517
01:54:29,920 --> 01:54:32,280
Speaker 1: It's where you enter where you email your Wednesday fan

2518
01:54:32,320 --> 01:54:35,240
Speaker 1: subs your Friday dead wrong. So let's do it, Luke.

2519
01:54:35,320 --> 01:54:37,560
Speaker 1: Let's stare into the camera and take our lickings. But

2520
01:54:37,600 --> 01:54:48,480
Speaker 1: you better have a receipt because this one's called dead wrong. Yeah.

2521
01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:52,760
Speaker 1: All right, here's Matt, who calls himself aka Street one, two, three,

2522
01:54:52,840 --> 01:54:56,800
Speaker 1: four five. Great handle there, Matt. That's real, real, thoughtful, quick,

2523
01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:59,200
Speaker 1: dead wrong for Luke at around the six forty mark

2524
01:54:59,200 --> 01:55:02,160
Speaker 1: in his recent interview with Banil deary Jush, which folks,

2525
01:55:02,160 --> 01:55:04,320
Speaker 1: we didn't we didn't, We didn't plug that at all.

2526
01:55:05,080 --> 01:55:07,720
Speaker 1: YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat here from Benny and Luke.

2527
01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:11,960
Speaker 1: Luke asked derry USh what he attributed his lengthy wind

2528
01:55:11,960 --> 01:55:15,240
Speaker 1: streak to. In doing so, Benny said, ever since the

2529
01:55:16,040 --> 01:55:18,760
Speaker 1: sar yuki in fight, things have really turned a corner.

2530
01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:19,800
Speaker 1: Or Luke said that I'm.

2531
01:55:19,640 --> 01:55:22,280
Speaker 3: Sorry about Islam, not about Banil.

2532
01:55:23,200 --> 01:55:23,440
Speaker 4: Oh.

2533
01:55:23,560 --> 01:55:25,880
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, Matt says Luke, you're dead wrong here. Benny

2534
01:55:25,920 --> 01:55:26,960
Speaker 1: has never fought arm.

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01:55:26,920 --> 01:55:29,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, no shit, Luke, the questions about Islam, It's not

2536
01:55:29,360 --> 01:55:30,000
Speaker 3: about Banil.

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01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:35,120
Speaker 1: Luke's bitch ass geriatric brain must be playing tricks on him.

2538
01:55:35,120 --> 01:55:37,160
Speaker 1: Thanks for all the amazing content over the years, MK

2539
01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:39,640
Speaker 1: for life, and PS shout out to my homies in

2540
01:55:39,640 --> 01:55:42,120
Speaker 1: the live chat, the unsung heroes of the donk community.

2541
01:55:42,200 --> 01:55:44,800
Speaker 1: You mean you're racist, misogynistic homies that we're trying to

2542
01:55:44,800 --> 01:55:47,080
Speaker 1: get off the internet, Luke, Okay, go to the dark

2543
01:55:47,120 --> 01:55:49,480
Speaker 1: web with that bullshit? Do you have any message for

2544
01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:50,960
Speaker 1: matt Aka Street one.

2545
01:55:50,960 --> 01:55:52,120
Speaker 2: I have to go back and listen.

2546
01:55:52,160 --> 01:55:54,320
Speaker 3: But I believe the point I was trying to make

2547
01:55:54,440 --> 01:55:56,760
Speaker 3: was that if you look at the wind streak of Makachev,

2548
01:55:56,760 --> 01:55:59,400
Speaker 3: it's nice, but it wasn't until the sar Yuki in

2549
01:55:59,440 --> 01:56:02,080
Speaker 3: fight where it really picked up in quality of opponent.

2550
01:56:02,320 --> 01:56:04,520
Speaker 3: Obviously when we're talking like, yeah, he beat Oliver, but

2551
01:56:04,520 --> 01:56:06,240
Speaker 3: even before he beat Oliver, that was to me the

2552
01:56:06,280 --> 01:56:08,640
Speaker 3: bit of the demarcation line where he was starting to

2553
01:56:08,680 --> 01:56:11,000
Speaker 3: beat again. Prior to beating Oliver, he didn't have a

2554
01:56:11,080 --> 01:56:13,520
Speaker 3: really elite name. But that was the point. And maybe

2555
01:56:13,560 --> 01:56:16,520
Speaker 3: I articulated it confusingly, but I wasn't asking him if

2556
01:56:16,520 --> 01:56:18,800
Speaker 3: he thought so, you can didn't. I knew he didn't,

2557
01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:21,560
Speaker 3: although in fairness BC, we have been prone to just

2558
01:56:21,600 --> 01:56:22,920
Speaker 3: make up fights that didn't happen.

2559
01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:24,600
Speaker 2: So I can't be I can't.

2560
01:56:24,640 --> 01:56:27,880
Speaker 3: I can't utterly reject the l but it's a conditional acceptance.

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01:56:28,400 --> 01:56:30,440
Speaker 1: It's like half my dms are how do you guys

2562
01:56:30,440 --> 01:56:32,280
Speaker 1: have so much time to watch all of these fights

2563
01:56:32,280 --> 01:56:33,600
Speaker 1: and know what you're talking about? And then the other

2564
01:56:33,600 --> 01:56:36,480
Speaker 1: half of the dms are you fucking brain dead idiot?

2565
01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:38,640
Speaker 1: How could you say that, which is pretty fair. There

2566
01:56:38,720 --> 01:56:40,440
Speaker 1: you go, Yeah, there you go. We got one more

2567
01:56:40,440 --> 01:56:42,680
Speaker 1: dead wrong, and it's also aimed in the direction of LT.

2568
01:56:42,760 --> 01:56:46,560
Speaker 1: It's from Darryl who lives in Saskatoon, Canada. Luke out

2569
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:48,600
Speaker 1: there in brock Lesner from country, right.

2570
01:56:48,880 --> 01:56:49,520
Speaker 2: I think that's right.

2571
01:56:49,560 --> 01:56:51,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know shit about Saskatoon.

2572
01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Happy Friday, Donks. During the over under segment on

2573
01:56:55,360 --> 01:56:59,200
Speaker 1: Wednesday's episode, when discussing GSP, Luke stated how George comes

2574
01:56:59,240 --> 01:57:01,680
Speaker 1: from a chota kan karate background.

2575
01:57:02,200 --> 01:57:02,920
Speaker 4: That's dead wrong.

2576
01:57:03,320 --> 01:57:07,200
Speaker 1: GSP actually was a Kayokushan karate practitioner.

2577
01:57:07,320 --> 01:57:08,640
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, that's right.

2578
01:57:08,840 --> 01:57:09,040
Speaker 1: Well.

2579
01:57:09,080 --> 01:57:09,560
Speaker 4: Show.

2580
01:57:09,560 --> 01:57:11,760
Speaker 1: While they both have similarities, they are different in the

2581
01:57:11,880 --> 01:57:13,840
Speaker 1: rules and areas in which they are allowed to strike.

2582
01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:16,760
Speaker 1: Show to con is primarily upper body targets, as opposed

2583
01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:18,280
Speaker 1: to the full body attack of that other one that

2584
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:22,520
Speaker 1: I won't pronounce again. Great episode, Yeah, Kyokushian, great episode,

2585
01:57:22,560 --> 01:57:24,480
Speaker 1: and it was nice to see BC rebound from his

2586
01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:27,960
Speaker 1: depressing Monday appearance. Fan for Life, Daryl, Well, Darryl, you

2587
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:29,320
Speaker 1: know that does open up a real moment.

2588
01:57:29,400 --> 01:57:29,560
Speaker 2: Luke.

2589
01:57:29,640 --> 01:57:32,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes, I mean more often than not, you're the wet

2590
01:57:32,960 --> 01:57:34,840
Speaker 1: old bitch who comes out here all angry, but it

2591
01:57:34,920 --> 01:57:36,720
Speaker 1: happened to me this week. Look, I'm sorry. I already

2592
01:57:36,720 --> 01:57:37,760
Speaker 1: apologize to the staff.

2593
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:38,920
Speaker 2: I'm cool with it. Yeah.

2594
01:57:39,320 --> 01:57:41,000
Speaker 3: By the way, I'll accept that L. That L is

2595
01:57:41,400 --> 01:57:43,560
Speaker 3: quite fair. I got that one wrong, so.

2596
01:57:43,800 --> 01:57:45,680
Speaker 1: And I was. I took an L on Monday. Thank

2597
01:57:45,720 --> 01:57:48,720
Speaker 1: you very much. All right. We love you Moneyline, We

2598
01:57:48,760 --> 01:57:52,440
Speaker 1: love you listeners. Dean Thomas, thank you for joining us. Luke,

2599
01:57:52,480 --> 01:57:54,760
Speaker 1: I can't stress enough that you can get thirty days

2600
01:57:54,760 --> 01:57:56,600
Speaker 1: free a Showtime right now. And why wouldn't you want

2601
01:57:56,640 --> 01:57:58,440
Speaker 1: you to see some championship boxing this weekend. Go to

2602
01:57:58,480 --> 01:58:01,360
Speaker 1: Showtime dot com right now. Hey, Bell Tour's got a

2603
01:58:01,480 --> 01:58:04,320
Speaker 1: few pretty damn good cards coming up in the next

2604
01:58:04,320 --> 01:58:06,520
Speaker 1: couple of months. Right, we got Corey Anderson nem cough,

2605
01:58:06,560 --> 01:58:10,320
Speaker 1: We've got freaking Raffee on stats and sabatelo are gonna

2606
01:58:10,320 --> 01:58:11,880
Speaker 1: do weird things together. This is a couple of you

2607
01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:13,840
Speaker 1: gotta see this, so jump on board, get you thirty

2608
01:58:13,920 --> 01:58:18,040
Speaker 1: days free, and don't forget Tomorrow six thirty pm Eastern

2609
01:58:18,440 --> 01:58:23,560
Speaker 1: the Showtime Championship Boxing preliminary bouts. It's three and you

2610
01:58:23,600 --> 01:58:25,000
Speaker 1: know there's a couple of names you got to see

2611
01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:26,800
Speaker 1: in there. Luke and BC on the call. We love

2612
01:58:26,880 --> 01:58:29,360
Speaker 1: doing this. It's a lot of fun. We love your feedback.

2613
01:58:29,360 --> 01:58:31,920
Speaker 1: We appreciate that, so check us out enjoy. Of course,

2614
01:58:31,960 --> 01:58:34,520
Speaker 1: that all builds toward what we got going on eight

2615
01:58:34,600 --> 01:58:37,720
Speaker 1: pm Eastern tomorrow a re airing of Jake Paul Versus

2616
01:58:37,800 --> 01:58:41,240
Speaker 1: Anderson Silvas Showtime pay per View on Regular Showtime, followed

2617
01:58:41,280 --> 01:58:45,480
Speaker 1: immediately at nine ten pm Eastern by David Morrell Junior

2618
01:58:45,560 --> 01:58:51,480
Speaker 1: versus Idos your bosson Ully for that WBA super middleweight

2619
01:58:51,600 --> 01:58:55,760
Speaker 1: secondary title. Obviously, normally we don't like to promote secondary shit, Luke,

2620
01:58:55,800 --> 01:58:58,440
Speaker 1: but with Canelo out, it's kind of like time for

2621
01:58:58,480 --> 01:59:01,240
Speaker 1: these super middleweights to knock on that door and get involved,

2622
01:59:01,280 --> 01:59:04,040
Speaker 1: get in that business. There. It is shout out to

2623
01:59:04,080 --> 01:59:08,480
Speaker 1: our great team, Gaff, Mikey Morms. Is when each worker

2624
01:59:08,480 --> 01:59:10,880
Speaker 1: here anymore, Luke, I have serious questions Long Island, Luke,

2625
01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:11,839
Speaker 1: I have serious questions.

2626
01:59:11,640 --> 01:59:13,480
Speaker 2: About I don't know I really there.

2627
01:59:13,520 --> 01:59:15,640
Speaker 3: He's there when we're there, but if we're like in

2628
01:59:15,680 --> 01:59:18,240
Speaker 3: the studio, but if we're not there, candidly, I feel

2629
01:59:18,240 --> 01:59:20,240
Speaker 3: like he's gone like a fart in the wind.

2630
01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:23,120
Speaker 1: Look, I'm really working on trying to get showtime and

2631
01:59:23,160 --> 01:59:25,480
Speaker 1: Malka to let me pick the staff for our shows

2632
01:59:25,480 --> 01:59:27,000
Speaker 1: and our travel trips, because you know, I just love

2633
01:59:27,480 --> 01:59:31,200
Speaker 1: like filthy Phil. But if I petition to get Cowboy

2634
01:59:31,240 --> 01:59:34,560
Speaker 1: John from from Phoenix uh into our into our universe

2635
01:59:34,600 --> 01:59:35,760
Speaker 1: more often, would you be okay with that?

2636
01:59:35,840 --> 01:59:36,120
Speaker 2: Dude?

2637
01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:40,760
Speaker 3: Once again? You love just complete weirdos, I mean the weirdest.

2638
01:59:40,920 --> 01:59:43,480
Speaker 1: It was like, would you would you describe him as

2639
01:59:43,480 --> 01:59:45,120
Speaker 1: like a local sound guy who showed up and he

2640
01:59:45,160 --> 01:59:48,040
Speaker 1: had like he was dressed like a he was dressed

2641
01:59:48,080 --> 01:59:50,800
Speaker 1: like Marty mcflying Back to the Future part three, right,

2642
01:59:51,160 --> 01:59:54,440
Speaker 1: that's what he was stressed as it was. It was glorious, Okay, Yes,

2643
01:59:54,600 --> 01:59:57,400
Speaker 1: Mikey calls it BC's Island of misfit Toys. I think

2644
01:59:57,440 --> 01:59:59,520
Speaker 1: that's what MK is. Luke, Okay, that's what it.

2645
01:59:59,480 --> 02:00:00,720
Speaker 4: Is of him.

2646
02:00:01,320 --> 02:00:05,240
Speaker 3: And Back to the Future three is fucking hilarious. That's

2647
02:00:05,280 --> 02:00:07,760
Speaker 3: a that's a great zaying you're ending the show on

2648
02:00:07,800 --> 02:00:08,240
Speaker 3: a high note.

2649
02:00:08,280 --> 02:00:09,440
Speaker 2: I want you to know that there it is.

2650
02:00:09,480 --> 02:00:12,240
Speaker 1: You can't get any higher unless I've got free deltas, Luke.

2651
02:00:12,280 --> 02:00:14,720
Speaker 1: But any final notes to the people.

2652
02:00:15,360 --> 02:00:15,880
Speaker 2: One more time.

2653
02:00:15,920 --> 02:00:17,480
Speaker 3: You can follow us there on all the socials. It's

2654
02:00:17,520 --> 02:00:23,080
Speaker 3: morning combat everywhere. You look, including on TikTok and reminder Reminder, Reminder, reminder,

2655
02:00:23,120 --> 02:00:26,680
Speaker 3: if you're so inclined, BC, it's free on the YouTube's right.

2656
02:00:26,800 --> 02:00:30,320
Speaker 3: Showtime Championship Boxing six point thirty catch BC and yours

2657
02:00:30,360 --> 02:00:31,160
Speaker 3: truly on the call.

2658
02:00:31,200 --> 02:00:32,240
Speaker 2: We have a good time with it.

2659
02:00:32,240 --> 02:00:36,120
Speaker 3: It's fun, it's fast moving and yeah, come hang out

2660
02:00:36,120 --> 02:00:36,720
Speaker 3: with us.

2661
02:00:37,240 --> 02:00:37,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2662
02:00:37,880 --> 02:00:41,440
Speaker 1: Even TJ. Dillashaw is welcome there. All right, we love you, guys,

2663
02:00:42,160 --> 02:00:44,000
Speaker 1: We love you. Please take care of this, guys. It's

2664
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:45,080
Speaker 1: all you got left at the end of the day,

2665
02:00:45,080 --> 02:00:48,600
Speaker 1: your family, your health, and this right here. Okay, So look,

2666
02:00:48,640 --> 02:00:50,400
Speaker 1: I talk I talk to a therapist. I'm not afraid

2667
02:00:50,400 --> 02:00:50,760
Speaker 1: to say that.

2668
02:00:51,280 --> 02:00:53,280
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get one. I keep getting rejected.

2669
02:00:54,880 --> 02:00:57,200
Speaker 1: They're like, sorry, sir, you're too broken for our standards.

2670
02:00:57,240 --> 02:01:00,000
Speaker 3: They're like, they're like, sir, you are in irreparably broken pace.

2671
02:01:00,160 --> 02:01:01,880
Speaker 3: Some shit, please start another place to go.

2672
02:01:02,120 --> 02:01:03,880
Speaker 1: I mean you did say you know you're like, am

2673
02:01:03,920 --> 02:01:06,600
Speaker 1: I allowed to vape during the whole session? They're like yeah, nah, no,

2674
02:01:06,760 --> 02:01:07,480
Speaker 1: like no.

2675
02:01:07,280 --> 02:01:08,960
Speaker 2: You can't do that. I'm like, well, funk out of

2676
02:01:08,960 --> 02:01:10,520
Speaker 2: my life, all right.

2677
02:01:10,680 --> 02:01:13,640
Speaker 1: Uh. Fantastic stuff. YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat for

2678
02:01:13,680 --> 02:01:16,040
Speaker 1: more including Benil deary use to check that out. He

2679
02:01:16,040 --> 02:01:18,959
Speaker 1: He breaks down how it would look dery Use versus Mahchev.

2680
02:01:18,960 --> 02:01:21,880
Speaker 1: I think it's an interesting topic during during this season

2681
02:01:21,880 --> 02:01:24,480
Speaker 1: of fight making. That's it. Two more words for you

2682
02:01:24,520 --> 02:01:26,600
Speaker 1: on the way out, guys, we out,