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This podcast also contains subject matter which may 10 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 2: not be suitable for everyone. Listener discretion is advised. 11 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 3: I have a lot of questions about this man. I 12 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 3: find him strange. I'm always suspicious of people who are 13 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 3: a little too clean, too polished, and you don't really 14 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 3: know who they are. He is said to be intelligent, refined, 15 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 3: even elegant, and yet he spends his time roaming around 16 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 3: the train station area. Why does a man like this 17 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 3: hang out in a place like that? Why does he 18 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 3: hang out there? And why does he become the confidant 19 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 3: of all these women? It's bizarre. Through my research, I 20 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 3: was able to identify his son and established contact. It 21 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 3: went smoothly until I brought up the case, and at 22 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 3: that moment the tone changed and he asked me to 23 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 3: never pronounce the name of his father in our project. 24 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 3: And I told him that was fine, But unfortunately my 25 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 3: guarantees didn't suffice. And from that point on I saw 26 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 3: that he read all of my messages but fused all contact. 27 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 3: And again, why why all of the mystery called? What's 28 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 3: there to hide? What are we not supposed to find out? 29 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 4: I can't be mysterious? 30 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 1: The rest They disappearance of a woman from Mount Jacqueline. 31 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 4: The condition of the victims was sickening, and the question remains, 32 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 4: where is the killer? 33 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: From Tender for TV and I Heeart podcasts, I'm your 34 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: host Matt Graves, and this is Lea Monstre Season two, 35 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 1: The Butcher of mass. 36 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 4: Lazy Levitabricado Di. 37 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: And now the disappearance of a woman from Mont Jacqueline Leclerq, 38 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: thirty three years old. 39 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 5: Come at dievu Chateaubicour. 40 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 6: This young woman has short, light brown hair and blue eyes, 41 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 6: five feet three inches tall with a normal build. 42 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 7: She is French speaking. 43 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: You recall Jacqueline, the first victim we covered in this series. 44 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: She was a mother of four who was last seen 45 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: entering her apartment near the center of Mons at around 46 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: eight pm on December twenty second, nineteen ninety six. Shortly 47 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: before her murder, she had mentioned to her sister Georgette, 48 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: that she kept bumping into the same man at different 49 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: places around town. Here are Georgette's words from episode two. 50 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 7: About a year before her disappearance, she met someone in 51 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 7: the Wauxhall Park in monts She crossed path with him 52 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 7: a few times before, and at one point he approached 53 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 7: her for a conversation. She said, it didn't seem to 54 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 7: be trying to charm or flirt with her. It seemed 55 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 7: like a good person, respectful. She had mentioned this man 56 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 7: to me she found him rather nice, cultured and intelligent, 57 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 7: a pleasure to speak with. After meeting him in the park, 58 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 7: my sister ran into him a few more times. Jacqueline 59 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 7: was surprised by this, and I think that's why she 60 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 7: mentioned it to me. She always seems to bump into 61 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 7: him by chance, but at some point she felt that 62 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 7: these encounters were probably orchestrated, maybe even calculated. 63 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: This mystery man has been a key person of interest 64 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: in Jacqueline's disappearance, and Morgan has been attempting to identify 65 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: him for over a year. 66 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 8: If it's a monsieurityputicle, Actually, this guy seemed like a 67 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 8: decent gentleman. He wasn't hitting on her or anything. But 68 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 8: Jacqueline lived in a small quiet in Mons and she 69 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 8: kept bumping into him near her house or other places 70 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 8: in Mons. And because of the ietypical description of this man, 71 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 8: the stylish way he dressed and spoke, I went back 72 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 8: and reviewed my notes from all of my previous interviews 73 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 8: and realized that several people had talked about a man 74 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 8: of similar description. 75 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: When Jacqueline disappeared, her sister kept all of her belongings 76 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: and later went through them in detail with Morgan. When 77 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,119 Speaker 1: he first started investigating the case, they included a simple 78 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: business card with a man's name, telephone number, and address. 79 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: At the time, it didn't have any significance, but as 80 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: Morgan began inquiring about an elegant, well spoken man who 81 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: spent time at Le Metropole, a woman he interviewed said 82 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: that it sounded a lot like someone her sister once described. 83 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: After several follow ups, he got a name and better Yet, 84 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: the second witness had the man's business card and was 85 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: still able to find it and share it with Morgan Bengo. 86 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: The second car art as a match with the first 87 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: card from Jacqueline's sister, along with a confirmatory description of 88 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: a man named George, not his real name for reasons 89 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: that will become evident. During the time of the murders, 90 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: he lived very close to the train station, and he 91 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: was a regular at Lo Metropol, so much so that 92 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: some people thought he worked there. Madame Gange, her staff 93 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: and many of the regulars knew him as well. George 94 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: was quite the character and claimed to have psychic abilities 95 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: to communicate with spirits. 96 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 8: He calls himself a medium, and it's true that he 97 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 8: was able to gain the trust of the people who 98 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 8: knew him and consulted with him. Apart from his talent 99 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 8: as a pseudo medium, he also had an attentive fear, 100 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 8: mostly for women, and especially women who were a bit lost. 101 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 8: He liked to play the good Samaritan and listen to them. Actually, 102 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 8: he had a little notebook, and in that notebook he 103 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 8: recorded all of his meetings. But the notes he took 104 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 8: included sexual remarks and rather hardcore remarks that didn't match 105 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 8: at all with the person he wanted to show himself, as. 106 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: I later asked Morgan where he heard that George recorded 107 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: sexual remarks about his clients. He confirmed that Madame Gorge, 108 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: the owner of La Metropol, told him this. 109 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 8: He was someone who was always very well dressed in 110 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 8: his early sixties. He spoke eloquently and his French was impeccable. 111 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 8: He sort of seemed out of place around the train station, 112 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 8: as it's not the kind of area where you'd expect 113 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 8: to see someone like him. 114 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: He often met his clients for psychic readings at La Metropol, 115 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: and virtually all of them were women. 116 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 9: Metropol. 117 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 8: He spent a lot of time at Le Metropol. He 118 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 8: sometimes helped serve drinks behind the bar, and he he 119 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,119 Speaker 8: also did his readings there. But a lot of people 120 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 8: had doubts about his talents as a medium, And we 121 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 8: know that he knew several of the victims, Jacquelina. We 122 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 8: already know that he knew Jacqueline. I also got a 123 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 8: first hand testimony from Martin's hairdresser, who described seeing her 124 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 8: with a man of the same description. 125 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: You recall that Martin Bone was murdered the day after 126 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: visiting her hairdresser, Edoir. He confirmed to Morgan that Martin 127 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: had come to a salon accompanied by a man fitting 128 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: George's exact description. He couldn't remember the exact day, but 129 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 1: recall that it was not long before her disappearance. And 130 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: when you mention this, he said, quote, I think it 131 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: could have been a medium from Le Metropoldrogn. 132 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 8: Apparently during a reading with a woman Natalie Goda, came 133 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 8: into Le Metropol and walked up to them, and at 134 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 8: that point he lost his patience, told her off, and 135 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 8: then said what the fuck does she want from me now, 136 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 8: which was at all his normal vocabulary attitude, and it 137 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 8: really surprised the woman who was getting the reading. So 138 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 8: now we're already at three victims where we're certain he 139 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 8: knew them. 140 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 9: Camiki. 141 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 8: Also there was a friend of Carmelina Russo who thinks 142 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 8: she had contact with him, but I haven't been able 143 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 8: to crosscheck with another witness, and since I only have 144 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 8: one account, I can confirm it one hundred percent. Whereas 145 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 8: for the other victims, I'm sure. 146 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: We're certain that George personally knew the victims, Jacqueline, Martin 147 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: and Natalie, And although it's not one hundred percent confirmed, 148 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: we believe he knew Carmelina and most likely Pagonia as well, 149 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: since they both frequented La metro Pol. Now that we've 150 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: tied George to the mystery man seemingly stalking Jacqueline, I 151 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: asked Madame Gosh, the owner of Le Metropol, what she 152 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: could tell us about him. 153 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 10: George was a smooth talker. He was incredibly gentle, very 154 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 10: gentle in all that he said. Without a doubt, the 155 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 10: man that she had met several times is the man 156 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 10: who killed her. But it's not George. Do you understand? 157 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 1: I asked her how she knows it wasn't him. 158 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 10: No, it's not George who killed the girls. Again, I 159 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 10: asked her how she knows this, But Trisi, I know 160 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 10: by intuition. 161 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: I think it's important to explain that Madame Ganche was 162 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,599 Speaker 1: very close to George, so it makes sense that she 163 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 1: would defend him around the time of the murders. We 164 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 1: believe the two were in an intimate relationship. 165 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 6: She is. 166 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 10: To kill five women and cut them up? Do you 167 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 10: realize he had to have a special place to do that? Particularly, 168 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 10: George had family. He had children, and he had a wife, 169 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 10: and he had a brother. According to our research, George 170 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 10: did have a wife and children, but they were separated 171 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 10: at the time and he lived alone in his house 172 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 10: which was quite close to the train station and even 173 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 10: closer to the main dumb side. The private investigator Xavier 174 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 10: de cont has been helping me research persons of interest 175 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 10: in this case. 176 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 3: It's been difficult to find information about the men were 177 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 3: calling George. All I had at the start was a 178 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 3: date of birth, the fact that he had once lived 179 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 3: in France, and that he had a brother. So what 180 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 3: I can tell you is that at the time of 181 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 3: the murders in nineteen ninety six, George was sixty three 182 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 3: years old. Concerning his past, we know that during his 183 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,719 Speaker 3: childhood he attended the Catholic boarding school, where, according to 184 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 3: a witness, he experienced some sort of sexual abuse, but 185 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 3: we can't verify this professional Concerning his professional life, it 186 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 3: was stated that he was involved with notary and estate 187 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 3: services where he organized property visits. During one of these visits, 188 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,119 Speaker 3: a cadavera would have been found on one of the properties, 189 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 3: but he wasn't suspected of anything criminal related to that. 190 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 3: Since I had so little information, I did research in 191 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 3: genealogical databases to try to find out more about his family. 192 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 3: I learned that he came from a large family and 193 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 3: had several brothers and sisters, which led me to hope 194 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 3: i'd be able to find someone who could help me 195 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 3: locate him. As mentioned, I was able to make contact 196 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 3: with his son, which started off well until I mentioned 197 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 3: the case, and then he immediately he stopped talking and 198 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 3: since then I've not had any more contact with his son. 199 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,719 Speaker 3: In summary, we don't have very much about George. We 200 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 3: know that at the time he was in his early sixties, 201 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 3: he had been married, but was living about from his family. 202 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: Given his connection with le Metropold, George was also questioned. However, 203 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: police didn't have anything implicating him in the murders. Apparently, 204 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: he was very interested in the case and followed developments closely. 205 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: In fact, he became somewhat of a go to person 206 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 1: for people wanting to know more about what was going on. 207 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 1: At one point, police worked with Belgium's national broadcaster to 208 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 1: produce a TV segment with a public appeal for witnesses 209 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: to come forward, and George was featured anonymously de Bacle. 210 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 8: When the television crew came to le Metropol to film 211 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 8: the public appeal, for witnesses. George drew attention to himself 212 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 8: and even welcomed the TV crew into his home. He 213 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 8: was very interested in the investigation and everything going on, 214 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 8: and he was making himself the center of attention. 215 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: Frederick lah, the investigative journalist who you've heard speaking English 216 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: and previous episodes, was part of my interview with Morgan. 217 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: As our discussion was in French, I've included the translation. 218 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 4: Satitude particular the jor Roki. 219 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 11: The particular attitude of George, who showed himself to be 220 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 11: more than helpful, raised the eyebrows of certain investigators and 221 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 11: they ended up having suspicions about him. He see miscoms 222 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 11: that he was inserting himself into the investigation and putting 223 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 11: himself forward. 224 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: To learn more about this, I spoke to the profiler, 225 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: doctor Danielle Zuquer, who you heard in episode five. 226 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 12: So the perpetrator is inserting himself in an investigation when 227 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 12: he's looking for controlling the narratives and monitoring progress. This 228 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 12: is really important for him because then he can adapt 229 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 12: and another motive would be to mislead the police so 230 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 12: get them on the wrong track, and sometimes also to 231 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 12: because he's seeking for some attention. 232 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 9: Yeah. 233 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 12: For example, the BTK got involved in the investigation, and 234 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 12: I think it was trying to get attention and be 235 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 12: sure that the media as would talk about him. 236 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: Doctor Zuker is referring to the infamous BTK killer Dennis Raider, 237 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: who actually complained in a letter to a newspaper that 238 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: he felt the police in media weren't paying enough attention 239 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: to him. Morgan explains another worrying fact about George on. 240 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 8: Em There's another interesting detail I can add find any 241 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 8: no non set because tomorrow, at the end of nineteen 242 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 8: ninety seven, not long after becoming interested in the investigation 243 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 8: and filming the appeal for a witnesses. 244 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 9: Segment, George vas de Menege. 245 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 8: George relocated rather abruptly to Normandy in France, and this 246 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 8: was another element that investigators questioned why this hasty moved 247 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 8: to France. 248 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: In fact, we learned that he skipped down quickly without 249 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: even paying his rent, a hasty departure. Indeed, we also 250 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: learned that the house he moved into in France was 251 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: actually owned by Madame Ganche. It's obviously sensitive to discuss 252 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: George with Madame Ganche, based on their relationship at the time. Furthermore, 253 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: authorities also treated her as a person of interest in 254 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: the case, having known all the victims, although no further 255 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: action was taken. It's an interesting twist, she explains. 256 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 10: So they tried to find out if I had anything 257 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 10: to do with the butcher of Mond's case of and 258 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 10: I noticed it because they called me many many times, Nessir. 259 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 10: They'd come at night, they'd come in the morning, they'd 260 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 10: come at noon all the time, So many times they'd 261 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 10: come speak with me and ask me to repeat everything. 262 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 10: It was a strange experience for me. 263 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: Based on the physical evidence and witness statements, were confident 264 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: that George was the mystery man who appeared to be 265 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: stalking Jacqueline. Claiming to be a medium, he spent a 266 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: lot of time doing ratings with women that had similar 267 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: profiles as Jacqueline and the other victims. Through his personal notebook, 268 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: we know that he often recorded notes that were sexual 269 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: in nature, indicating his true motives and feelings about the women. 270 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: Based on matching his business card and description, were certain 271 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: that George knew a majority of the victims, given that 272 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: they were all regulars at Le Metropos during the period 273 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: he spent most of his time there. It's also concerning 274 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: that he seemed to be overly interested in the butcher 275 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: of mass case, inserting himself into the investigation, and then 276 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: as things began to heat up, he skipped town. Our 277 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: concerns regarding George and his possible involvement in the case 278 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: grew when we heard a new revelation from Madame Ganch. 279 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: It's about a conversation that he had with another man 280 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: at the bar and hotel l Metropoles not long before 281 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: he skipped town. 282 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 10: I served a coffee to the man in question, and 283 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 10: George was sitting opposite him, and I brought the coffee, 284 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 10: and when I arrived at the table, I heard this 285 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 10: man who was showing his hands to George sitting in 286 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 10: front of him, and he said, I have blood on 287 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 10: my hands. And George came up to the bar and asked, 288 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 10: did you hear what he said to me? And I 289 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 10: said I heard something, but then maybe he was just drunk. 290 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 10: And George said that the man just told him that 291 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 10: he had blood on his hands. 292 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: We'll call the man with whom George supposedly had this discussion. 293 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: Danielle also not his real name, as he's not known 294 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: to the public and the case is still active, there's 295 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: some confusion about what exactly was said in this discussion. 296 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: Morgan originally pride this information out of Madame Gone, So 297 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: here's what he recalls. 298 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 8: Madame Gonsch told me that one day George was at 299 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 8: Le Metropol as usual, and another regular named Daniel arrived 300 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 8: and sat down with George and they were talking, and 301 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 8: that at one point Daniel showed his hands to George 302 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 8: and said his hands have killed more than once, or 303 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 8: something like that, and George was shocked, and he went 304 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 8: to Madame Ganch and asked her if he should report 305 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 8: him to the police. And she told George that since 306 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 8: Daniel said this to him, it was up to him 307 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 8: to decide what to do. And it struck me because 308 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 8: it's not the type of thing you hear every day. 309 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 8: And so I started looking into both George and Danielle 310 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 8: to see if they knew each other outside of Le Metropol. Moreover, 311 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 8: they actually lived within hundreds of it from each other. 312 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: Substantiating that this conversation ever actually took place was difficult. 313 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: All we had to go on was the version Madame 314 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: Gone shared with Morgan, and a slightly different version that 315 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: she shared with me. However, the recent discussions with former 316 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: police officers we were able to confirm not only that 317 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: it took place, but much more. Frederick lah explains. 318 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 11: I was unaware of everything Morgan just shared about this 319 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 11: at the time of my original. 320 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 4: Investigation jose Ames avestigation. 321 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 11: However, I learned recently that George went to the police 322 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 11: at the time to declare that Danielle, a client of 323 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 11: Le Metropol, confided something very particular to him. 324 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 4: Or in the deficile did not feel more. 325 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 11: It's difficult to determine the exact timeline of this. Was 326 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 11: it before the discovery of the body parts or after, 327 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 11: most likely after, But in any case, he informed the 328 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 11: police and specifically the Gendarmerie of this first hand account. 329 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 4: De setimonial Mosque Rousse. 330 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 11: And so what I know about George is that he 331 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 11: denounced Daniel and set the police on his trail. 332 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 4: Pie dou Daniel. 333 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: As Frederick mentioned, George went specifically to the Gendarmerie to 334 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: report his conversation with Danielle. In Belgium at the time, 335 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: there were two main police forces, the Gendarmerie, a national 336 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: force under the Defense Ministry, and the judicial police, an 337 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: investigative force reporting in to the public prosecutor. If you 338 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: listen to season one of La Montstre, you'll recall that 339 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: these two police forces were in the throes of major 340 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: jurisdictional battles in the late nineties. It was practically open 341 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: war between the two forces. The judicial police were handling 342 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: the butcher of Man's case, but George reported his conversation 343 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: with Danielle to the Gendarmerie, who didn't bother to notify 344 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: the judicial police working on the case. 345 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 4: Leavetemonial. 346 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 11: George went to the Gendarmerie to tell them about the 347 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 11: conversation he had with Danielle. The gendarmes then summoned Danielle 348 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 11: to come for an interview to explain his purported statement 349 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 11: about having blood on his hands. So he must have 350 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 11: received a letter asking him to come to the Gendarmerie, 351 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 11: and so before going he had time to make evidence 352 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 11: disappear if there was any, and also to prepare for 353 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 11: the interrogation. So, according to what I've learned, this was 354 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 11: a major source of frustration for the investigators who were 355 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 11: working the case, because they think that summoning him wasn't 356 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 11: the right approach. He should have been questioned without notice, 357 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 11: eventually with a warrant, ready to go for a search 358 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:00,959 Speaker 11: in the interest of the case, It wasn't the right 359 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 11: to push. 360 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,479 Speaker 1: If you're investigating a potential serial killer, you obviously wouldn't 361 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: want to tip him off before speaking with him. This 362 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: mistake would never have happened had the judicial police in 363 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: charge of the case received the initial tip. Until recently, 364 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: the existence of Danielle was completely unknown to us. The 365 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: fact that he was questioned as a person of interest 366 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: in the case is not public knowledge. When we first 367 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: learned about it, I thought it would be just another 368 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: rabbit hole. A vague remark about a drunk guy at 369 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: a bar is hardly a scoop. But after we were 370 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: able to identify him and start investigating his potential connection, 371 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: it got interesting really quick. Danielle lived on the same 372 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: street as the main dumb Side, less than five hundred 373 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: meters from where most of the body parts were found. 374 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: He was a regular at Le Metropol and other bars 375 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: around the train station area. Prior to when the murders started, 376 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: he'd been in a relationship that ended as a major 377 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 1: disappointment for him when a woman he loved ended their 378 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: relationship leaving him heartbroken. At the time of the murders, 379 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: he was experiencing a difficult phase in his life that 380 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: he himself described as his quote dark period, and just 381 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: as the murders stopped, he started a new relationship with 382 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: a woman who would later become his wife, and this 383 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: woman's profile was very similar to the other victims. Morgan 384 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: explains what we've learned about this dark period in his life. 385 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 9: San Josu Nikias. 386 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 8: He was a night owl who spent a lot of 387 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 8: time in the establishments surrounding the station, and specifically Le Metropol, 388 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 8: and he drank heavily tradiscret He was very discreet and withdrawn, 389 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 8: and few people really knew him other than his first name. 390 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 4: He also had a nickname. 391 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: We decided not to publicly share Danielle's nickname, but awareness 392 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: of it has proven to be valuable for investigation. 393 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 8: He apparently had a strange way of relating to women. 394 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 8: I can't say with absolute certainty that it was him, 395 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 8: but I've heard accounts about a man of the same 396 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 8: mental and physical description who had difficulties in his relationships 397 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 8: with women. Plants the second. Multiple women complained about his behavior. 398 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 8: That doesn't make him a killer, but it makes you 399 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 8: ask what's he doing in these bars at night and 400 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 8: why is he having problems with women. 401 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: Prior to her disappearance, Jacqueline mentioned to her sister that 402 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: a man named Danielle, who became aggressive when drinking, had 403 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: repeatedly tried to approach her at a bar near her apartment. 404 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: We have no idea if this was the same Danielle, 405 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: as his real first name is quite common, and Jacqueline 406 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,479 Speaker 1: was beautiful and unwanted advances were a frequent occurring for her. 407 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: Our investigation into George has placed him in direct contact 408 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: with multiple victims, in this case, Following that lead has 409 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: led us to Danielle. Sitting here, I'm starting to feel 410 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: like we've pulled on a thread that's actually taking us somewhere. 411 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: As I begin to peel the onion around the intriguing 412 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: characters of George and Danielle, each layer reveals something new. 413 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: The fact that Madame Gange was questioned as a suspect 414 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 1: and that she personally knew all of the victims as 415 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: well as George and Danielle is a revelation what was 416 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: really going on at Le Metropold. How can five women 417 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: who frequented this establishment simply disappear and then be found 418 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: murdered and dismembered, without any of the regulars having the 419 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: faintest idea of what happened to them. The more we 420 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: learn about George and Daniell, the more we believe that 421 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: either one or both of these men are the most 422 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 1: compelling persons of interest in this case, since the investigation 423 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: started almost thirty years ago. Next time, on the season 424 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: finale of La Mosca. 425 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 6: She passed the car and had time to see the 426 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 6: silhouette of a person, a man alone in a station wagon. 427 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 6: He told me that in his mind, in any case, 428 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,479 Speaker 6: he believes he saw the trash backs being deposited by 429 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 6: the butcher of Moss. 430 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 8: Shortly before the trash backs were found, he noticed a 431 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 8: man meticulously cleaning out an open station wagon in this 432 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 8: street where the witness lived himself, and it jumped out 433 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 8: at him because the man didn't live in his street. 434 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 5: In an aggressive tone, he told me I shouldn't have 435 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 5: reported her missing because it had caused him serious problems. 436 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 5: I felt threatened. I'd never seen him like that before. 437 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 5: I assume his violent reaction was linked to the report 438 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 5: I had made to the police. 439 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 13: It's true that once, when I was very drunk, I 440 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 13: said to George, you see, George, these hands have blood 441 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 13: on them. I was completely wasted. 442 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 10: Champ he came to get a room with Natalie. He 443 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 10: came in here and walked straight up to me and 444 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 10: asked for a room. She was dead a few weeks later. 445 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: Le Montre is a production of Tenderfoot TV and iHeart Podcasts, hosted, written, 446 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: and executive produced by me. 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