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Speaker 1: This is the This is the New Real. This is
Speaker 1: Shattered Souls. I'm your host, Karen Smith. This podcast contains
Speaker 1: graphic language and is not suitable for children. This is
Speaker 1: the New Real. Welcome back. This is episode twelve. When
Speaker 1: we left off, I was in the middle of reconstructing
Speaker 1: the homicide of Kim Dorsey after she was found by
Speaker 1: her husband, Derek, when he came home from his overnight
Speaker 1: shift as a firefighter. Quick, Andy, how did you hear her? Though?
Speaker 1: I don't know? Cut her copper from ca. Okay, let
Speaker 1: me get a rescue Kim, than you are you? Okay?
Speaker 1: So tell me exactly what happened. I don't know what
Speaker 1: You're God coming through a god from rescue? Are you
Speaker 1: with her right now? Okay? How old is she? I
Speaker 1: don't know. Full that doesn't make a bert with you? Okay,
Speaker 1: there we are, sir, We are sending rescue. She awake.
Speaker 1: Nom Derek Dorsey had been quickly eliminated as a suspect
Speaker 1: since he had a rock solid alibi at the fire
Speaker 1: station overnight, the homicide detectives ran down three other possible
Speaker 1: suspect leads, and they also had alibis. During the time
Speaker 1: of Kim's murder, the detectives went back to Derek to
Speaker 1: find out if he could provide any further information. Detective
Speaker 1: Larry Kiskowski. But once we started going down associates and individuals,
Speaker 1: we were able to determine that it was probably somebody
Speaker 1: else that came to the home and did it. We
Speaker 1: felt confident though, that whoever did it actually knew the
Speaker 1: Dorsees or had some connection to them. It wasn't just
Speaker 1: a random act. Based on the interview with Derek and
Speaker 1: some of the individuals that him and his wife both
Speaker 1: used in their businesses, we felt that there was an
Speaker 1: individual that we kind of honed in on that could
Speaker 1: definitely be responsible for this. Sergeant Karen Dukes, they really
Speaker 1: started talking to Derek Dorsey about who he thought might
Speaker 1: have done it, who would have access to the house,
Speaker 1: who wouldnew where that hidden key was by the front door.
Speaker 1: Detective Kim Long to other junior detectives and I were
Speaker 1: going into our fourth day at the scene. Kim Long
Speaker 1: had reconstructed three bullet defects in the kitchen ceiling, showing
Speaker 1: that the origin of those shots was right in front
Speaker 1: of a nightstand between the bed and the wall, whereas
Speaker 1: saturation stain was on the carpet and an open gun
Speaker 1: box remained in the upper drawer. We determined that Kim
Speaker 1: Dorsey had fired that gun toward the kitchen. The pink
Speaker 1: handled revolver had been found just under the foot of
Speaker 1: the bed before it was collected. The revolver cylinder held
Speaker 1: five bullets, so it was empty. We knew the flight path,
Speaker 1: but we didn't know why Kim Dorsey would have fired
Speaker 1: toward the kitchen. We made the supposition that the suspect
Speaker 1: had zip tied Kim to the nightstand after rendering her
Speaker 1: either semi conscious or unconscious with a punch or a
Speaker 1: strike to her nose or eye, which was evidenced by
Speaker 1: an impact pattern on a mirror and a wall by
Speaker 1: the bathroom door. She regained consciousness at some point and
Speaker 1: fired all five rounds toward the kitchen before she got
Speaker 1: up and left that part of the bedroom and made
Speaker 1: it across the room over to a window where she
Speaker 1: was trying to escape. I had reconstructed the blood stains
Speaker 1: showing the heinousness of the attack evidenced by numerous cast
Speaker 1: off events, impacts, saturations, transfer stains, and Kim's movement across
Speaker 1: the room. Kim Dorsey had been bludgeoned by the bottom
Speaker 1: half of a pool queue that was broken into three pieces,
Speaker 1: and then stabbed in the neck with a kitchen knife
Speaker 1: that was also left at the scene. We now had
Speaker 1: much of the story about what happened to Kim based
Speaker 1: on the evidence at the scene. What we didn't have
Speaker 1: was a suspect, but the homicide detectives were about to
Speaker 1: zero in on one man whose name was provided by
Speaker 1: Derek Dorsey. There were definitely multiple people and along with
Speaker 1: special with Lance. Lance had come out of the fire
Speaker 1: station I believe it was the Wednesday before that weekend,
Speaker 1: and had borrowed some money from Derek. At that time, Lance,
Speaker 1: either at that conversation or later in the week he
Speaker 1: had told Derek that he was going to go out
Speaker 1: and work on a sprint boat, trying to make some
Speaker 1: money doing that. So that was the last story that
Speaker 1: Derek had far as where Lance was headed. Lance Kirkpatrick
Speaker 1: Lance had lived at the Dorsey home for a short
Speaker 1: period of time while he worked for Derek Dorsey at
Speaker 1: his part time contracting company, Karen Duke's. Lance may have
Speaker 1: done some side work for him and they part of
Speaker 1: his payment was that they allowed him to live in
Speaker 1: their home for a brief amount of time while he
Speaker 1: was doing some odd in jobs for him. That at
Speaker 1: a certain point I think the either had to kick
Speaker 1: him out or they forced him to leave. He didn't
Speaker 1: leave on very good terms. Derek was adamant that Lance
Speaker 1: would never do such a thing. He was a friend,
Speaker 1: and Derek didn't think that Lance would of any motive
Speaker 1: to kill Kim Dorsey. Right from the beginning, Derek was
Speaker 1: almost convinced the Lance wouldn't do this. You know, he's
Speaker 1: a family friend. He had lived at the house at
Speaker 1: one time. Derek, I believe, just you know, refused to
Speaker 1: believe that Lance could do something like that. Prosecutor London Kite, well,
Speaker 1: it's interesting about lands Ko Patrick is that he had
Speaker 1: developed a relationship with those Ms Dorsey, who wasn't very
Speaker 1: keen on them, I guess. And but the husband really
Speaker 1: did not respect him at all. Gamely because the husband
Speaker 1: told the detective that he was supposed on a shrimp boat.
Speaker 1: Initially we thought that he had an alibi, and so
Speaker 1: they started digging a little bit deeper and found out
Speaker 1: that that was absolutely not true. One very important clue
Speaker 1: was found by Karen Duke's an overturned statue by the
Speaker 1: front door. The very first thing that I noticed as
Speaker 1: I was walking up that front sidewalk was a concrete
Speaker 1: a very small a concrete statue near the front door
Speaker 1: that was tipped over. You as you're walking up, you know,
Speaker 1: you're looking at the door frame to see if there's
Speaker 1: any times of four entry, someone kicked the door in,
Speaker 1: or how did they gain entry, and for some reason
Speaker 1: that statue being tipped over. The first thing I thought
Speaker 1: is someone hid the spare key to the front door
Speaker 1: under that statue and it was tipped over because someone
Speaker 1: knew that there was a key there, or had been
Speaker 1: searching right around the front door and found it there.
Speaker 1: That's honestly what I thought. Lance Kirkpatrick would have known
Speaker 1: about this key since he had lived at the house.
Speaker 1: The detectives now had to find Lance and find out
Speaker 1: if he had an alibi for the morning of the murder.
Speaker 1: Let's go back to the scene for just a moment.
Speaker 1: The Dorsey House was located in a gated development that
Speaker 1: required a code for entry. It was secure a low
Speaker 1: crime area. Their house was located on a corner lot
Speaker 1: on a cul de sac, not far from the entrance
Speaker 1: to the develop a mint. There were cameras positioned at
Speaker 1: that entrance. The homicide detectives went in and reviewed that
Speaker 1: video footage. As the homicide detectives chased down Lance Kirkpatrick,
Speaker 1: we continued our work at the house. At that point,
Speaker 1: the reconstruction was just about done, and Kim Long and
Speaker 1: the others had completed a diagram of the entire house,
Speaker 1: but there were still plenty of other areas that needed
Speaker 1: to be searched and documented. The other two junior detectives
Speaker 1: had processed and collected a lot of items in the
Speaker 1: kitchen and upstairs in the loft, but there was still
Speaker 1: plenty of work to do. I went upstairs for the
Speaker 1: first time on that fourth day to do a walk
Speaker 1: through with one of the others, and Kim Long focused
Speaker 1: on the kitchen. One thing that crime scene detectives do
Speaker 1: on a regular basis is go through garbage for any evidence.
Speaker 1: The Dorseys had a trash compactor in the kitchen just
Speaker 1: below the sink. Luckily for us, it hadn't been activated
Speaker 1: for several days. This is Detective Kim Long. I looked
Speaker 1: in the trash can and so there were like the
Speaker 1: treats that she had bought for the dog, and they
Speaker 1: were still in there. I think the the unopened bags
Speaker 1: were still in there. And underneath all that was the cigarette.
Speaker 1: But and it was our understanding, Kim didn't smoke, and
Speaker 1: I did her husband, So why would a cigarette but
Speaker 1: be in the trash can you know who did smoke?
Speaker 1: Lance Kirkpatrick marlboroughs the same brand Kim Long package that cigarette,
Speaker 1: but for DNA analysis. There were still various items sitting
Speaker 1: in that kitchen sink, including several remote controls and Kim
Speaker 1: Dorsey's cell phone. Whoever put them in there had done
Speaker 1: it with the purpose of destroying evidence. But why the
Speaker 1: television and stereo remote controls. I went into the living
Speaker 1: room and looked at the DVD player. That same greasy
Speaker 1: substance from the side table and the bed posts was
Speaker 1: on the butt. At that point, Larry Kaskowski came back
Speaker 1: into the scene along with Derek Dorsey, and I told
Speaker 1: him about it. I processed the buttons for DNA and
Speaker 1: latent Prince and we had Derek Dorsey turned that system
Speaker 1: on Instantly a video began playing on the television. It
Speaker 1: was pornography. Derek Dorsey was stunned and said that it
Speaker 1: certainly was not his. Larry Kaskowski questioned him right there
Speaker 1: in the living room, and Derek was adamant that it
Speaker 1: did not belong in that video player. So we ejected
Speaker 1: the DVD and more of that greasy substance was on
Speaker 1: the disk, so it was collected for processing. Detective Kim
Speaker 1: Long there was no information about the DVD player. There
Speaker 1: was a DVD of pornography, so I want to say
Speaker 1: that we were looking at the DVD player, there seemed
Speaker 1: to be like some almost kind of like greasy smears
Speaker 1: kind of on it. When that was coupled with the
Speaker 1: cigarette but left in the trash, it seemed like the
Speaker 1: suspect was not only comfortable enough to smoke in the house,
Speaker 1: but also sat down to watch porn after the murder
Speaker 1: and brought that disk with him to the house. What
Speaker 1: the hell kind of a twisted person does that. Derek
Speaker 1: excused himself at that point and left Larry Giskowski, me
Speaker 1: and the others to do a final walk through of
Speaker 1: the scene to make sure that everything had been documented
Speaker 1: and to give Larry the sequence of events for when
Speaker 1: he got in the box with Lance Kirkpatrick. We went
Speaker 1: back upstairs and processed a few other items in the loft,
Speaker 1: and after nearly five full days of work, we released
Speaker 1: the scene and gave the house back to Derek Dorsey.
Speaker 1: In the meantime, the homicide detectives had found a friend
Speaker 1: of Lance Kirkpatrick's we'll call him Mike, who said that
Speaker 1: Lance had admitted to the murder to him during a
Speaker 1: conversation the day after the crime. Mike said that Lance
Speaker 1: told him that he had gone to the Dorsey house
Speaker 1: to get some of his belongings and had gotten into
Speaker 1: an argument with Kim Dorsey. He admitted to beating her,
Speaker 1: saying quote, I broke a pool stick on the bitch
Speaker 1: and to stabbing her in the neck. Mike also said
Speaker 1: that Lance had a bad injury to the knuckle of
Speaker 1: his hand. Lance also told him that he thought he
Speaker 1: hadn't cleaned the scene up very well, so he went
Speaker 1: back to the house after the murder and put those
Speaker 1: items into the kitchen sink. He also realized that he
Speaker 1: had left his cell phone behind and he took that
Speaker 1: with him. There's no way Mike could have known this
Speaker 1: information unless he spoke directly with Lance Kirkpatrick, Kim Dorsey's killer.
Speaker 1: The detectives found out through other acquaintances that Lance Kirkpatrick
Speaker 1: owed a drug debt to a dealer and had borrowed
Speaker 1: a female friends car, a Toyota REV four. The video
Speaker 1: surveillance at the complex showed that same v for leaving
Speaker 1: the housing development shortly after the murder, and that car
Speaker 1: was found abandoned on the north side of town. They
Speaker 1: tracked down the man who had supposedly been driving at last,
Speaker 1: who was a drug dealer named t and he said
Speaker 1: that he had been with Lance Kirkpatrick on a trip
Speaker 1: to Fort Myers to purchase pills the day after the murder.
Speaker 1: Prosecutor London Kite lank Patrick was hopelessly addicted to drugs,
Speaker 1: which turned out to be the motivation behind the murder
Speaker 1: when we started to look further behind what he was doing.
Speaker 1: It was actually a drug debt that Madtion decided that
Speaker 1: he was going to come over and steal in the
Speaker 1: Dorthe's like he had done before. Mike told the detectives
Speaker 1: where to find Lance, an apartment complex on the south
Speaker 1: side and on November six, two twelve, nine days after
Speaker 1: the murder, they brought him downtown for questioning. The interview
Speaker 1: of Lance once we took him in the custody ended
Speaker 1: abruptly when he asked for an attorney. Of course, he
Speaker 1: lawyered up. He was guilty as homemade sin of this
Speaker 1: horrible crime, and while he was in the box they
Speaker 1: made him take his shirt off. Lance Kirkpatrick had scratches
Speaker 1: all over his body from Kim Dorsey's fingernails. Lance was
Speaker 1: booked on first degree murder, sexual battery using a firearm,
Speaker 1: and burglary. The prosecution would file an indictment to seek
Speaker 1: the death penalty. As the court case went forward, the
Speaker 1: DNA analysis results started to trickle in. A sexual assault
Speaker 1: kit was done during the autopsy, and swabs from that
Speaker 1: came back swabs from the Broke Can Pool queue. Both
Speaker 1: of them showed a match to Lance Kirkpatrick, with a
Speaker 1: one in one nine quintillion chance of it belonging to
Speaker 1: anyone but him. The zip ties had Lance Kirkpatrick's DNA
Speaker 1: on them. The cigarette but from the garbage belonged to
Speaker 1: Lance Kirkpatrick, and his DNA was embedded in the fingernail
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Speaker 1: a few days later. She asked me to take a
Speaker 1: look at Kim Dorsey's gray T shirt and some of
Speaker 1: the other evidence that was collected prior to my involvement.
Speaker 1: I met her at the property facility and we pulled
Speaker 1: Kim's gray T shirt from storage. It was blood soaked
Speaker 1: on the left side, but there were still several patterns
Speaker 1: of interest on the front and on the right side.
Speaker 1: Several areas of impact were present on the shoulder and back,
Speaker 1: which would be expected in a blunt force trauma event.
Speaker 1: But one pattern piqued my curiosity and I pointed it out.
Speaker 1: She asked what I was seeing and I told her
Speaker 1: that this particular pattern was deposited after the shirt was
Speaker 1: saturated with blood. Kim was injured pretty badly before this
Speaker 1: transfer stain was left on top of it and London
Speaker 1: Kite asked me if I could tell what caused it,
Speaker 1: and I said, yeah, the pool queue. The pattern was
Speaker 1: really distinct. I measured the width at thirty millimeters or
Speaker 1: just over an inch at the narrowest part. The pattern
Speaker 1: widened towards the end and had a round base. There
Speaker 1: was no doubt about it. Lance Kirkpatrick slammed that pool
Speaker 1: queue down on her right side after it had been
Speaker 1: bloodied by striking her in another area of her body,
Speaker 1: likely on her head. The blood from the pool queue
Speaker 1: transferred onto the fabric, leaving that impression on her shirt,
Speaker 1: and London said, so that would be on her right side, correct,
Speaker 1: And I nodded, and she looked at me and said,
Speaker 1: did you know that the medical examiner found two broken
Speaker 1: ribs on her right side? And I said no, I
Speaker 1: didn't I continued my analysis with the pillows that had
Speaker 1: been on the side of the bed in front of
Speaker 1: the nightstand. A couple of them were underneath Kim Dorsey's
Speaker 1: body at some point, and I dog amended impact spatter
Speaker 1: on two of them and a third that had an
Speaker 1: unusual stain in the center that luminest under ultra violet light.
Speaker 1: It had the hallmarks of a Siemen stain. So I
Speaker 1: collected a sample and that was sent off to the lab.
Speaker 1: There was nothing left for me to do with the
Speaker 1: evidence at that point. We had to wait for the
Speaker 1: laboratory to complete their analysis, which would take some time.
Speaker 1: Everything was repackaged and sealed, Our reports were submitted, and
Speaker 1: we all crossed our fingers and waited. About a year
Speaker 1: after the murder, detective Kim Long had to go back
Speaker 1: to the Dorsey house for yet another look at those
Speaker 1: bullet trajectories. It seemed as if Lance Kirkpatrick was going
Speaker 1: to say he was using self defense when Kim Dorsey
Speaker 1: attacked him. First, Kim Long had to show once again
Speaker 1: the fact that all of the shots originated from one
Speaker 1: single area. This is Kim Long. I actually had to
Speaker 1: go back to the house before trial. The reason they
Speaker 1: wanted me to do this. And part of my testimony
Speaker 1: is he finally came back and said she was trying
Speaker 1: to shoot me. So I was fighting with her while
Speaker 1: she had the gun. And as I was fighting with her,
Speaker 1: and I had her arm and I had, you know,
Speaker 1: and I was trying to move her arm away from me.
Speaker 1: So we were struggling. She was firing the gun off
Speaker 1: cause she was trying to shoot me, and I was
Speaker 1: trying to protect myself, so was self defense. You were
Speaker 1: not going to get those type of groupie if you're
Speaker 1: struggling with somebody and you're paying a gun, you're going
Speaker 1: to have bullet defects all over the place. You're not
Speaker 1: going to have two of them in a door frame
Speaker 1: that or what maybe six inches apart of even that
Speaker 1: one hit and then one light below it, and then
Speaker 1: you're not going to have those three that ran the
Speaker 1: wall that were like basically linear boom boom boom. The
Speaker 1: fact that she could show that the bullets were fired
Speaker 1: in an immediate, rapid successive manner and not during a struggle,
Speaker 1: became a crucial a part of London Kiteses prosecution. The
Speaker 1: trial began two and a half years later with jury
Speaker 1: selection on April six. After three days of questions, dismissals,
Speaker 1: and approvals, twelve people were chosen to weigh the facts
Speaker 1: and determine the fate of Lance Kirkpatrick. I had retired
Speaker 1: from the Sheriff's office at that point, and I was
Speaker 1: living in Gainesville, about an hour and a half away.
Speaker 1: Early in the morning of April nine, I made the
Speaker 1: drive up State Road three oh one to the court House.
Speaker 1: I walked up the marble steps, past the contradiction of
Speaker 1: well dressed attorneys and homeless people. And I was used
Speaker 1: to strolling right into the building in my uniform, but
Speaker 1: now that I was retired, I had to go through
Speaker 1: the metal detector like everyone else. At the security checkpoint.
Speaker 1: My briefcase slid down the X ray conveyor belt, and
Speaker 1: I entered the seventy foot tall rotunda, past the massive
Speaker 1: staircase and took the elevator to the sixth floor. I
Speaker 1: paced the hallway outside of Courtroom six. So far, I've
Speaker 1: making small talk with some of my former co workers
Speaker 1: who were waiting for their trials. Reporters and photojournalists set
Speaker 1: up news cameras and milled outside the courtroom door, which
Speaker 1: remained auto locked. I reviewed my report over and over again,
Speaker 1: reading every detail, every letter, designator and description. The ten
Speaker 1: pages of questions that London Kite emailed me were clipped
Speaker 1: on top and I sat on a bench and five
Speaker 1: hours went by. The bailiff poked his head out of
Speaker 1: the door and called my name. After an introduction, the
Speaker 1: judge designated me as an expert witness and there were
Speaker 1: no objections from the defense council. London smiled at me,
Speaker 1: and she worked her way through the initial questions by
Speaker 1: introducing some of the photographs taken by the initial two investigators,
Speaker 1: building on their testimony from earlier in the day. After
Speaker 1: laying the foundation regarding how I was called to the scene,
Speaker 1: she and I spent four hours going over every aspect
Speaker 1: of the scene and part of the reconstruction. I explained
Speaker 1: the sequence of events, starting with the impact pattern on
Speaker 1: the mirror, the cast off on the upper walls and ceiling,
Speaker 1: Kim Dorsey's movement to the window, and her attempted escape,
Speaker 1: all the way through to her final resting place on
Speaker 1: the floor. After my testimony, the defense attorney stood and
Speaker 1: told the judge they had no questions for me at all.
Speaker 1: London Kite, the friends, and what you guys were able
Speaker 1: to say forensically. I think it was so important as
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you guys were involved as early as
Speaker 1: you were, I know that as early as you'd like
Speaker 1: to have been, but it was crucial that we get
Speaker 1: her story forensically. I didn't hear about the injuries to
Speaker 1: Lance Kirkpatrick's hand and the scratches on his body until
Speaker 1: after the trial was over. I also didn't know about
Speaker 1: his admission to his friend Mike that he broke the
Speaker 1: pool cue on her body, and that he waited for
Speaker 1: the sixth shot from that revolver while he ducked down
Speaker 1: in the kitchen before he returned to the bedroom and
Speaker 1: yanked Kim down onto the bedpost away from the window
Speaker 1: when he heard it open. All of that testimony was
Speaker 1: given to the jury, along with Kim Long's reconstruction, Larry
Speaker 1: Kiskowski's homicide investigation, the medical examiner's findings, and numerous other
Speaker 1: witnesses who explained Lance's drug debt and how he came
Speaker 1: to borrow the Toyota rav four seen leaving the complex.
Speaker 1: A cellular data specialist would testify that Lance Kirkpatrick's cell
Speaker 1: phone painned off of the towers adjacent to the housing
Speaker 1: development at the time of the murder. The jury listened
Speaker 1: to the defense witnesses testify, and there was one in
Speaker 1: particular that would put this case to bed for good
Speaker 1: Lance Kirkpatrick, this is London Kite. I would prepare for
Speaker 1: it because I know I knew from the deal calls
Speaker 1: that his defense had more from an I D defense,
Speaker 1: meaning that he was going to say that he wasn't there,
Speaker 1: which I think he was initially planning on doing from
Speaker 1: the outside of the crime, like the fact that he
Speaker 1: threw you know, remote and things like that into the
Speaker 1: think to try to wash off what he might have touched.
Speaker 1: And then that he didn't do anything with her body,
Speaker 1: which I thought was interesting because the being it was
Speaker 1: found on swabs that were taken from her body. So
Speaker 1: I think initially he thought, you know, I'm gonna just
Speaker 1: run an I D defense, which I knew from the
Speaker 1: deal calls, And so the moment he twitched asifen to
Speaker 1: self defense, that meant for me at least I had
Speaker 1: to prepare for a cross of the inn nation of him.
Speaker 1: Kim Dorothy was probably the most injured victim I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: She was beaten, she was sad, she was great. So
Speaker 1: all those things I knew from the outset that he
Speaker 1: would have to admit that. He had to say I
Speaker 1: did it, but I did it because and I need
Speaker 1: that would be a touchow on the jury. After London
Speaker 1: had Lance Kirkpatrick dead to rights and against the ropes,
Speaker 1: cowering on the witness stand, she pulled Kim Dorsey's gray
Speaker 1: T shirt from the evidence table and placed it on
Speaker 1: the banister close to his face. She pointed at the
Speaker 1: bloodstains and tapped on the cellophane display states Exhibit five
Speaker 1: sixty five. I want you to take a good look,
Speaker 1: she said. I know, he said, and turned his head
Speaker 1: to avoid looking at it. Do you see that pattern,
Speaker 1: that linear mark across her stomach that's consistent with that
Speaker 1: pool queue you admit to wielding at her? She snapped, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 1: So you're saying that you didn't do what's on this exhibit,
Speaker 1: and Lance Kirkpatrick said, the only thing I can think
Speaker 1: that how that happened is when we fell to the floor.
Speaker 1: I probably had the pool stick in my hand and
Speaker 1: when I pressed it down like to get up or whatever.
Speaker 1: It could have easily left that in on there. You're
Speaker 1: now saying that this, that breaking her ribs, was an accident,
Speaker 1: and he said, it happened when I tackled her. That's
Speaker 1: the only thing I can think because I never hit
Speaker 1: her in the side. You realize that if you do
Speaker 1: admit to wielding that thing like you actually did that day,
Speaker 1: striking her over and over, beating her to the point
Speaker 1: that her ribs were broken, that's pretty damaging to your position. Right,
Speaker 1: So this was all an accident, And he said it
Speaker 1: was horrible, But I I didn't swing at her ribs.
Speaker 1: I didn't swing at her body like that. I was
Speaker 1: swinging overhead while trying to get the gun from her,
Speaker 1: and that's the only time I was swinging the pool stick.
Speaker 1: And London walked over to the evidence table again and
Speaker 1: she removed the three pieces of the pool queue, which
Speaker 1: were mounted together in cellophane and foam board. There were
Speaker 1: two inch gaps between each piece to show that they
Speaker 1: fit together, but it left room for the jurors to
Speaker 1: see Kim's blood and hair still embedded in the broken
Speaker 1: shards states Exhibit four ninety one. Look at it. She
Speaker 1: demanded I've seen it, he replied, Oh, you've seen it?
Speaker 1: Do you recognize it? Yes? You never explained how this
Speaker 1: pool queue ended up in three different pieces when you
Speaker 1: were just hitting her by accident. I don't know how
Speaker 1: it came to be in all those pieces, he said,
Speaker 1: and lowered his head. Is it because you can't admit
Speaker 1: to the amount of force that you were using on
Speaker 1: her body as you hit her over and over? She asked,
Speaker 1: and he interrupted, I told you, I don't know the
Speaker 1: amount of force. And she countered. You used enough force
Speaker 1: to break that weapon into three pieces, didn't you, Yes, ma'am,
Speaker 1: I did. Did you break it on her head or
Speaker 1: did you break it on her body? And at that moment,
Speaker 1: the courtroom went so silent that you could have heard
Speaker 1: a pin drop. London Kite gave him no respite, and
Speaker 1: she went back to the evidence table again. I'm going
Speaker 1: to show you what's been admitted in the evidence of States,
Speaker 1: Exhibit four nineteen. You can see the blood on this knife, right, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 1: Can't you see this kind of goopy stuff that's right
Speaker 1: here next to the blade, Yes, ma'am. Did you cut
Speaker 1: something beforehand? Did you make yourself a sandwich? No, ma'am,
Speaker 1: what did you do to get that stuff on there?
Speaker 1: You didn't get this knife from the knife block, did you?
Speaker 1: You went to the dishwasher? Correct? I remember, I remember
Speaker 1: getting it from the knife block. You see that debris
Speaker 1: on that knife besides Kim Dorsey's blood, correct, Yes, I
Speaker 1: see it. And you knew when you stabbed Kim Dorsey
Speaker 1: in the neck that she would never walk this earth again.
Speaker 1: You knew that she was dead. I didn't know she
Speaker 1: was dead until after I checked. But you stabbed her
Speaker 1: in the neck all the weight of the bone, didn't you?
Speaker 1: Not on purpose? No? Oh, so that was another accident.
Speaker 1: Why was end to get her off when we were fighting,
Speaker 1: when we were wrestling over the knife, and when I
Speaker 1: got the knife, I was just flailing my arm, he said.
Speaker 1: And there was no other cut on her right in
Speaker 1: this knife wielding fight that you're talking about. There's not
Speaker 1: another cut on her other than to her neck. No, ma'am,
Speaker 1: not to my knowledge. So you're saying the knife accidentally
Speaker 1: landed there, yes, ma'am. All the weight of the bone, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 1: London walked over to the laptop computer and she changed
Speaker 1: the photograph on the computer screen to the first one
Speaker 1: from her opening statement, showing Kim Dorsey's position on the
Speaker 1: bedroom floor. States Exhibit one O two. This is how
Speaker 1: you left Kim Dorsey right, Yes, ma'am, the woman who
Speaker 1: opened her home to you. This is how you left her, yes, ma'am,
Speaker 1: with the pieces of the weapons you used on her
Speaker 1: demise gathered all around her. Yes, ma'am. Fed a coomp
Speaker 1: Lee London Kite madam prosecutor just brilliant. There was no
Speaker 1: redirect from the defense, and both sides rested. The jurors
Speaker 1: were released to deliberate a week's worth of testimony, over
Speaker 1: three thousand photographs and several dozen pieces of evidence. Everyone
Speaker 1: was expecting a long process because of the volume of
Speaker 1: information they needed to sort through, and the jurors left
Speaker 1: and went into deliberation at four fifty pm. They emerged
Speaker 1: less than two hours later. Lance Kirkpatrick was brought back
Speaker 1: into the courtroom and stood motionless as the court clerk
Speaker 1: read the verdict the State of Florida versus Lance Kirkpatrick.
Speaker 1: The jury advises and recommends to the court that it
Speaker 1: imposes life in prison without the possibility of parole. One
Speaker 1: month later, the judge upheld that verdict. My name is
Speaker 1: Derek Dorsey and that was Kim Dorsey's usbin. I reached
Speaker 1: out to Derek Dorsey because I wanted to hear details
Speaker 1: about Kim Dorsey's life. Reading court transcripts and talking to
Speaker 1: other people didn't tell me anything about her. And if
Speaker 1: you've listened to this podcast, you know I am not
Speaker 1: a broad brush kind of gal. I like details, and
Speaker 1: Derek provided them, and he was very candid, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to give him the ending to season one. And
Speaker 1: this is our conversation. Derek, what's your fondest memory of Kim.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of narrow it down to one. I guess
Speaker 1: probably the fondest memories when we went out to pick
Speaker 1: out her first her baby, and I just saw it
Speaker 1: in her eyes. This is something that would give her
Speaker 1: unconditional love and then she could love back. And just
Speaker 1: seeing that look in her eye, that's what That's what
Speaker 1: really sticks. What kind of a fur baby? Was it?
Speaker 1: Minister Snowdler and his name was Dexter And we went
Speaker 1: up to Orange Park. We've been searching everything else. In
Speaker 1: the moment they started playing together, I knew we were
Speaker 1: taking off. He was the first of what would soon
Speaker 1: be three. What were the other names, Gracie and Duncan.
Speaker 1: What's your biggest regret besides going to work that day? Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know. You always wish you'd have one more time.
Speaker 1: You always wish you would have watched one more episode
Speaker 1: of Little House on the Prairie, even though it was
Speaker 1: the twentieth time for the same episode. It's it's just
Speaker 1: a little thing. You think back. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: self loathing because you just wish you wouldn't have wasted
Speaker 1: similar stuff. I'm going to ask you a couple more questions.
Speaker 1: They're not that difficult. That was the hardest one, Okay,
Speaker 1: how do you feel the justice system worked for you
Speaker 1: and for Kim? In my eyes, there is no justice system.
Speaker 1: I mean justice refers to actually getting some type of
Speaker 1: accountability for what someone does, And even in my wildest
Speaker 1: imagination of dark rooms and having this individual in front
Speaker 1: of it, there is no justice because nothing is going
Speaker 1: to bring her back, nothing to give for life anymore.
Speaker 1: Meaning something like this happens to the word justice, just
Speaker 1: as so there's never any any such thing as closure. Ever,
Speaker 1: no grief has a beginning, but it has no end.
Speaker 1: You have been through the justice system. You've been through
Speaker 1: this tragic event, and a lot of folks who listen
Speaker 1: to these podcasts they don't understand. They try to, but
Speaker 1: it's very difficult for them to comprehend what you and
Speaker 1: the other families of victims have been through. So what
Speaker 1: kind of closing thoughts would you give to them? Don't
Speaker 1: try to do this by yourself. Get some professional help.
Speaker 1: This is not a road you want to walk alone.
Speaker 1: No matter how well you think you're doing, your poor
Speaker 1: judgment of the progress that you've made. I was forteous.
Speaker 1: I met somebody that saw the struggling and she actually
Speaker 1: had me go to somebody that actually changed. I doubt
Speaker 1: I would be here when you've listened to it. So
Speaker 1: you know that that Kim's case hit a lot of
Speaker 1: us sideways. Um, well, it's funny because I used to
Speaker 1: think to myself and I used to ask this questions
Speaker 1: Tracy many times. Yeah, I hope that some of a
Speaker 1: bitch is. Oh he goes to bed every night thinking
Speaker 1: about what he did. I hope he is. For I
Speaker 1: hope this is Scarin and she just looked at me
Speaker 1: and to shoot her head. She went there. He's already
Speaker 1: convinced himself east be he doesn't go to bed. He
Speaker 1: is he is in his own little world and this
Speaker 1: isn't enough to live on history. And that was also
Speaker 1: sort of cut here. I am going, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: you've you've got to be losing leap. What it is
Speaker 1: this has got ahead, he's not eating and everything else.
Speaker 1: And no, he is convinced himself somehow, some way he
Speaker 1: got railroaded and that he is vistive. That was a tough,
Speaker 1: tough swallow, but I believe it now, I honestly did.
Speaker 1: He actually reached out to me looking at letter, and
Speaker 1: it just give you cliff notes. It was pretty much listen,
Speaker 1: in order for you to get on with your life,
Speaker 1: you just need to forget well. And I showed it
Speaker 1: to too. Go ahead, pisses me off, but go ahead. Well.
Speaker 1: I shared it with two people, one person that actually
Speaker 1: feels with inmates. And you know, even Tracey meant it
Speaker 1: was a form lever. It was one of those almost
Speaker 1: like an a twelve step you have to you know,
Speaker 1: men bridges make amends, and you could have plugged anybody
Speaker 1: into that particular letter. She won't be surprised if it's
Speaker 1: something he just got off the internet. And inserted Derek
Speaker 1: and inserted Kim, and that just absolutely disgusted. And then
Speaker 1: here you are, and I realized family. Family. But at
Speaker 1: what point does your mom and your family just get
Speaker 1: up and walk out of the room. How can you
Speaker 1: sit down there and look at the autopsy photos and
Speaker 1: see him trip over his own life on the stand
Speaker 1: and still stand by. You can't stand behind somebody who
Speaker 1: does something that sets, because that's not Oh, don't drug
Speaker 1: add a tough life, that's evil. If you want to
Speaker 1: get something off your chest, if you have a message,
Speaker 1: please feel free to send it. I do want to
Speaker 1: address one thing. There's a lot of people saying that
Speaker 1: she suffered from depression. I believe some of it was
Speaker 1: just working from home. Here I am, I'm busy. I've
Speaker 1: got the Star Department, I have my construction company, and
Speaker 1: pretty much she has no outside activity. And I think
Speaker 1: that's what lets system of the depression is, because you
Speaker 1: need human interaction. But I mean the mental health issue,
Speaker 1: that's one thing that rubbed me wrong. It's this the
Speaker 1: fact that I think she was working from home, and
Speaker 1: that just leads you to be depressed. Over everything I
Speaker 1: put out on the podcast, I had read in the
Speaker 1: court transcripts. I had read all of the reports and
Speaker 1: read all of your statements and other people's statements. So
Speaker 1: it's not always exactly the truth. Regardless of what comes
Speaker 1: out in court. There may be some hindsight that comes forward,
Speaker 1: there may be some other thoughts that come out later on.
Speaker 1: But she was on meds for depression. Correct. Yes, But
Speaker 1: even looking back now, you think that a contributing factor
Speaker 1: to that was the fact that she was just isolated. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I know that. I know that was the fact that
Speaker 1: we had disquessions about. But it wouldn't for her to
Speaker 1: put in a ten hour day. I do want to
Speaker 1: say one thing as far as the detectives, and I
Speaker 1: can't say enough about lemon Kite. I used to say
Speaker 1: I could do any job. I could go in there
Speaker 1: and I could make it my home. That is one job.
Speaker 1: I do not walk, just like you. You have to walk,
Speaker 1: you have to tread, you have to swim through pain
Speaker 1: and just evil. I don't know how they do it,
Speaker 1: honest to God. I mean, here's London, brilliant at what
Speaker 1: she does. And I know she was on the private sector.
Speaker 1: The sky would be the limited, but she chooses to
Speaker 1: stay and help I agree with you there, she's brilliant.
Speaker 1: What do you want people to know about Kim Dorsey?
Speaker 1: That she was more than just a fireman's Every headline,
Speaker 1: every news outlet, and everything referred to her as the
Speaker 1: fireman's flight. That wasn't who she was. She was a smart, beautiful, educated,
Speaker 1: hard working fighter. And I just hate hate the fact
Speaker 1: that because the fireman of his wife gets a little
Speaker 1: bit more coverage or it's a little bit better headline,
Speaker 1: that that's the pretty much the only way they referred
Speaker 1: to her as I did not define who she was.
Speaker 1: She had her own identity. I'll give you a prime
Speaker 1: example of just the type of individual that she was
Speaker 1: when she worked for the engineering firm. She went there
Speaker 1: and she decides she wanted to start her own construction company,
Speaker 1: so she she left there, and after everything happened in
Speaker 1: the funeral, she had a group of people knew pretty
Speaker 1: close knits that she won't but she hadn't seen them
Speaker 1: in several years since she left. The come and lo
Speaker 1: and behold at the funeral, the bos says she hadn't
Speaker 1: seen in five years. Flew her whole team in from
Speaker 1: the funeral, So she made that type of impact she
Speaker 1: was only there two or three years, and in that
Speaker 1: time she had bonded with him enough to where they
Speaker 1: came in from, and her whole team flew into the
Speaker 1: funeral people that hadn't seen her in years. Well, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for opening your heart and giving us
Speaker 1: some more perspective. I know I appreciate it, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure everybody else does too. Thanks Derek, have a great week. Okay,
Speaker 1: take it easy. Bye bye. This is the New Real
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