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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Monday, December first, and it's

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Speaker 2: snowy and chilly out there for many many people listen.

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Speaker 2: We have a stacked night of headlines. We hope you've

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Speaker 2: had a good Monday so far, because the week.

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Speaker 3: Is off to a newsy start.

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Speaker 2: We have accused assassin Luigi Mangioni is back in court today.

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Speaker 2: Major major things developing on that case. Also, the trial

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Speaker 2: of the accused wife killer Brian Walsh also began today,

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Speaker 2: so body's been following that very closely. Also, more on

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Speaker 2: the high school football coach who went missing after being

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Speaker 2: charged with heinous second crimes. That seems to be a

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Speaker 2: case also unfolding. His son has officially spoken out. And

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Speaker 2: also there have been more arrests in connection to the

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Speaker 2: twenty two year old pregnant woman whose body was found

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Speaker 2: on November twenty fifth. We discussed that last night Rebecca

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Speaker 2: Park and before we go any Further, we also want

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Speaker 2: to honor who want to honor the National Guard and

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Speaker 2: all of those who serve us, who want to pay

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Speaker 2: our respect, of course to the family of US Army

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Speaker 2: specialists Sarah Beckstrom who lost her life last week. We

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Speaker 2: were all following that very very closely over the holiday.

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Speaker 2: I want to make sure we're noting it completely. And

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Speaker 2: also our hearts are with you know, staff Sergeant Andrew Wolf,

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Speaker 2: who continues to fight. Some promising news Today he apparently

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Speaker 2: wiggled his toes and gave a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: thumbs up, which is encouraging. But he's certainly not out

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Speaker 2: of the woods yet. And I can speak on behalf

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Speaker 2: of all of us. You know, our hearts are with

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Speaker 2: all the servicemen and women who are who are looking

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Speaker 2: out for us every day and every night. So who

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Speaker 2: And also look, there's only eighteen days left until the

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Speaker 2: big reveal of the Epstein file, so.

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Speaker 3: That's not I was count of that at all.

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Speaker 2: And man, Luigi, this is shaping up to be gangbusters.

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Speaker 2: We're nearing on a year when this shooting occurred. I

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Speaker 2: know we've all been following it very very closely, but Court,

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Speaker 2: do you want to give us a little bit of

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Speaker 2: the summation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely so.

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Speaker 4: Accused killer Luigi Mangione appeared today in Manhattan Supreme Court,

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Speaker 4: and that was for pre trial evidentiary hearing. Now Mangione's

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Speaker 4: defense sought to exclude what they're arguing is illegally obtained evidence.

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Speaker 4: As a reminder, just about one year ago, twenty seven

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Speaker 4: year old Luigi Mangione is accused of fatally shooting United

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Speaker 4: Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. This happened right outside a Manhattan hotel.

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Speaker 4: It was early in the morning, about six o'clock on

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Speaker 4: a normal business day. So ques killer man Gione faces

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Speaker 4: nine felony charges at the state level, including second degree murder,

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Speaker 4: as well as federal terrorism and capital murder charges following

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Speaker 4: a nationwide man hunt. If you guys can remember back

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Speaker 4: one year ago, oh so again? Shoot ever, right, so

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Speaker 4: the shooting allegedly, I mean, I don't even know do

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Speaker 4: we say allegedly Brian Thompson was shot in the street.

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Speaker 3: We know that he was shot in point blank range

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Speaker 2: And it appears that that had been on purpose because allegedly, allegedly, allegedly,

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Speaker 2: Luigi Mangione had it out for the Health Insurance.

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Speaker 3: Well, even before.

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Speaker 5: He was caught and we knew who it was, everything,

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Speaker 5: it looked very purposeful, like he walked right up to him,

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Speaker 5: he's walking down the street, shot him in the back basically,

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Speaker 5: I think, I think in his legs. He just topples

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: By the way, also was such graphic, graphic video that

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Speaker 2: we all saw and Courtney, you and I were like

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Speaker 2: knee deep in that from Jump Street and absolutely right, yeah,

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Speaker 4: So that I mean, it was it was such a

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Speaker 4: after that happened in Manhattan, there was a nationwide manhunt

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Speaker 4: and then ultimately the accused killer, Luigimi and Gionne, was

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Speaker 3: He was sitting at a McDonald's.

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Speaker 4: Important to note he has pleaded not guilty to all charges.

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Speaker 4: So here is what his defense team is proffering, and

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Speaker 4: So, by the way, at the pre trial hearing today,

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Speaker 4: Mangione was wearing a gray blazer, a red and white

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Speaker 4: always something that attorneys fight back and forth about. So

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Speaker 4: that's how Mangion appe and both the prosecution and the

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Speaker 4: defense teams argued over whether certain evidence should be excluded. Now,

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Speaker 4: accused killer Luigi Mango and at the time of his arrest,

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Speaker 4: and the defense team is contending that the search was

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Speaker 3: That's a big one.

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Speaker 4: The prosecutors played video surveillance from the McDonald's in Altaduna, Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 4: where Mangione was ultimately arrested, and in it you can

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Speaker 4: killer man Gione, and that was more than thirty minutes.

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Speaker 3: After they arrived.

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Speaker 4: The audio of the nine to one to one call

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Speaker 4: in that call, the manager of McDonald said that they

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Speaker 4: had recognized the accused killer man Gione as the suspect

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Speaker 4: in the killing of CEO Brian Thompson by his distinctive eyebrows.

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Speaker 4: Do you guys remember when the manhunt was going on

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Speaker 4: and his man Gione had a mask on all that were.

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Speaker 5: That's hit Saudi And like we saw the photo at

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Speaker 5: and then the Starbucks photo we saw, and then they

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Speaker 3: I mean it was crazy and the man winsto.

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Speaker 2: And remember he'd been on the run and prior to

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Speaker 3: He was holding a three D gun.

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Speaker 2: You know, Like, let's remember that this this gun was

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Speaker 2: actually like a gun that he actually created. And remember

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Speaker 2: the bullet casings that had the messaging on it pos denied. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: So this was like performative in some big way. So

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Speaker 2: if in fact, what is happening in court today bears

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Speaker 2: are removed from his upcoming trial, that would be staggering.

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Speaker 2: I mean think about it, his arrest, the manifesto, the

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Speaker 2: actual the gun itself, him actually being like cold and

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Speaker 2: many of the days eating those hash browns. A whole

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Speaker 2: world is looking for him. I mean, that would be monumental,

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Speaker 2: beyond measure. I can't believe that that would happen, because,

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Speaker 2: of course, they still have the video of the shooter allegedly,

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Speaker 2: you know, Luigi Mangione, shooting him in cold blood outside

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Speaker 3: But they not enough.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if they don't have the manifesto, which

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Speaker 5: is where he basically admits and where all the pre

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Speaker 5: Brian Thompson, I don't just don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't because if you take away all of that evidence,

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Speaker 4: which again the defense team is saying was unconstitutionally put

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Speaker 4: into yeah, taken from them. So that also would take

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Speaker 4: off the table the notebook that was found in Mangione's backpack,

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Speaker 4: and that had all of the writings that were critical

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Speaker 4: of the health insurance injury.

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Speaker 3: It's the fruit of the poisonous tree.

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Speaker 2: It's the most important fruit of his said tree. By

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Speaker 2: the way, if you're just joining us, I'm Stephanie Leidecker

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Speaker 2: here with Courtney Armstrong and body move in and you're

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Speaker 2: listening to true crime tonight, we're talking about Luigi Mangione,

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Speaker 2: accused CEO healthcare killer, who had a big appearance in

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Speaker 2: court today on this ongoing trial. It's kind of a

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Speaker 2: pre trial game. And what's really important here too is

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Speaker 2: number one in court today he did he look like

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Speaker 2: he was all polished up.

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Speaker 3: He wasn't in shackles.

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Speaker 2: Remember, the optics of being in the courtroom in shackles

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Speaker 2: is a big thing. And his purp walk when he

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Speaker 3: They said it was too much because he was shackled.

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Speaker 2: He was all smiles for miles in the courtroom and

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Speaker 3: All seemed pretty light.

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Speaker 2: And then they actually showed the video to the judge

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Speaker 2: pretty deadpan at that point. I just can't imagine, like

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Speaker 3: Is he having guilt if in fact he's done it?

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Speaker 2: And is it possible that Luigi will walk on a technicality.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Did you see all the free Luigi people outside wearing

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Speaker 5: their like beauty sashes? That said, free Luigi on them.

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Speaker 5: It's crazy making, it's wild, it's so incredible. It's like

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Speaker 5: the year, this whole last year, and you know, a

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Speaker 5: you know, we are, of course, I'm thinking of Brian

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Speaker 3: It's like the most dangerous beasts in the world. And

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Speaker 3: it's so upsetting.

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Speaker 4: And this is nothing against men or women with bushy eyebrows, no,

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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I wish I had them, but I

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Speaker 4: Few other things that came out in court, there was

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Speaker 4: testimony from a corrections officer who stated that while accused

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Speaker 4: killer Mangeone was being held at the Huntington, Pennsylvania facility

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Speaker 4: healthcare topics. The corrections officer he couldn't recall whether Mangio

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Speaker 4: did say that Mangione told him he quote wanted to

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Speaker 4: make a statement to the public and this get ready.

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Speaker 3: Stephanie.

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Speaker 4: The corrections officer also testified that given the high profile

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Speaker 4: officials placed accused Manngeone under constant watch. He was in

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Speaker 4: a plexiglass cell. It was a special precaution ordered to

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Speaker 4: avoid an Ebstein style situation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they churned on him like every seven minutes or something.

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Speaker 5: Like that, like oh really, yeah, what a waste of

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Speaker 5: a life to his poor family, you know again, like

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Speaker 5: he comes from a really you know, this guy was

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Speaker 5: like the valedictorian in his class.

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Speaker 2: Has anything changed in the healthcare world because of this

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Speaker 2: said statement?

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Speaker 3: That's what's so like. Let that sink in, Luigi.

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Speaker 2: If in fact this is what you did and there

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Speaker 2: was a big message behind it, good luck. I feel

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Speaker 2: like my premiums have only gone up and it's just

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Speaker 2: not okay. And I see him smiling in court today

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Speaker 2: and again he's accused, not convicted, So I feel divided

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Speaker 3: But I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Just seeing lightheartedness and him getting to look like he's

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Speaker 3: It's very upsetting.

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Speaker 4: But I have to wonder if you recall, the defense

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Brian Walsh. So today was the first day in

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Speaker 5: And then he did searches related to like some forensics cleanup, okay,

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Speaker 5: Prosecutors noted that victim Anna Walsh had more than one

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Speaker 5: So there's a lot of different there's a lot of

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Speaker 6: So that part we still don't know. So he's he

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Speaker 5: He dismembered her and put her body parts some at

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Speaker 2: He went to a dumpster and took body parts of

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Speaker 2: And by the way, what was the artist he was counterfeiting?

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Speaker 3: And this guy is too much. This guy's a total clown.

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Speaker 2: He was, Oh, yeah, I'm gonna like dish out this

443
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Speaker 2: fake art, fraudulent art of Andy Warhol, like no one

444
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Speaker 2: knows how to spot that in the crowd. And yeah,

445
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Speaker 2: I was looking at some serious charges and this seemed

446
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Speaker 2: like the most performative thing he could do to get leniency.

447
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Speaker 3: It's really unbelievable.

448
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Speaker 4: I take issue with something that the defense attorney has said.

449
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Speaker 4: So the defense attorney, Larry Tipton said this about Brian

450
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Speaker 4: Walsh's deceased wife, Anna, said that she died of a

451
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Speaker 4: little known condition called sudden unexplained death about an hour

452
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Speaker 4: after at the New Year rang in. How in the

453
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Speaker 4: world without Brian Walsh being a medical doctor.

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Speaker 3: Who did the examination. He's an art he's an art

455
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Speaker 3: enthusiast correct for what that is. How could he.

456
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Speaker 4: Surmise or know that she died of this little known

457
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Speaker 4: condition sudden explained unexplained.

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Speaker 6: That she didn't have a heart attack because.

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Speaker 2: Like you said, or call a doctor or an ambulance,

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Speaker 2: because you know you're not You're a fraudulent art dealer,

461
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Speaker 2: not a doctor, and perhaps the ambulance could have resuscitated her,

462
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Speaker 2: or maybe there was something that could have been done

463
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Speaker 2: to spare her life.

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Speaker 5: Well we know that because that didn't happen. I mean,

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Speaker 5: let's be real, he killed, right.

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Speaker 4: If you okay, like you're just joining us. We are

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Speaker 4: talking about Brian Walsh, who was on trial for allegedly

468
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Speaker 4: killing and dismembering his wife, Anna Walsh. We want to

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Speaker 4: hear your thoughts eight A eight three one crime. What

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Speaker 4: do you think so far of what body has laid

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Speaker 4: out about the prosecution?

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Speaker 3: On defense?

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Speaker 5: Right, so the jury is there's twelve people plus four alternatives.

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Speaker 5: There's nine women and seven men. Sergeant Harrison Schmidt testified

475
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Speaker 5: about the early investigation, including the search of the Walsh home,

476
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Speaker 5: speaking with family and friends, and documenting evidence such as

477
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Speaker 5: like the trash bags in the basement and that Low's

478
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 5: receipt for that saw. Accused killer Brian Walshton denied that

479
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Speaker 5: Anna had another relationship, although Brian mentioned Anna's friend William Fasto,

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Speaker 5: who prosecutors say was her romantic partner. But you know

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Speaker 5: they're saying that there wasn't that was not Brian Brian

482
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Speaker 5: didn't believe it was real, so it could not have

483
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Speaker 5: been a motive, is what they're saying. Like, no, that

484
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Speaker 5: didn't happen. They argued, she had no intention of leaving

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Speaker 5: her husband, Brian.

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Speaker 2: And the only thing she was going to leave him

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Speaker 2: for really was because he was bringing home her whole family.

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Speaker 2: And you know, liar, liar, hands on fire, looking at

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Speaker 2: jail time for fraud.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 5: So, as we stated too, Anna's remains have never been found,

492
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Speaker 5: which means the prosecution has to rely entirely on circumstantial

493
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 5: digital and forensic evidence. There's no medical information that they

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Speaker 5: have to go on, like no reason of death and nothing.

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00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 5: They have nothing. There's nobody. This is a no body case,

496
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Speaker 5: all right. There's very difficult, but it happens. So the

497
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 5: jury will have to weigh two competing narratives. A premeditated

498
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Speaker 5: murder and disposal, right, that's from the state, and from

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Speaker 5: the defense. A tragic, unexplained death followed by panic and concealment.

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Speaker 3: That's the defense.

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Speaker 2: Can you say, hell, Mary, I know, because I mean, honestly,

502
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Speaker 2: look at this guy. I'm showing a picture right now

503
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Speaker 2: if no one has seen him, he looks like that

504
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: guy this guy looks so smug in the courtroom.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you haven't had a chance. It infuriates me.

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Speaker 2: The sight of him infuriates me because he does look

507
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: like he's, you know, making some deals and kind of

508
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 2: above it, like where are the tears? You should be devastated.

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Speaker 2: And I would think he looks like he thinks he's

510
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Speaker 2: going to get away with something.

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Speaker 6: He might get away, but I don't know, well when

512
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 6: get Jarrett's here, and you guys might know this because

513
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Speaker 6: I'm still trying to wrap my head around. I guess

514
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Speaker 6: sort of the logic of what the defense is doing.

515
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Speaker 6: Like so he would serve a lesser amount of time

516
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Speaker 6: if it was just dismembering the body versus also killing it.

517
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Speaker 6: So so his whole strategy is I'm going to go

518
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 6: for a short amount of time. She died, naturally, cut

519
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 6: her up, put her pieces everywhere, to protect the kid.

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Speaker 3: Save my children. He's so nice of him, health fatherly.

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Speaker 2: By the way, you said the perfect word, taha, and

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you did the word. Here is strategy. This

523
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Speaker 2: is not you know, crime and punishment. This is not

524
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Speaker 2: you do the crime, you do the time. This is

525
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: not standing up for what you did, and begging for mercy.

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Speaker 2: It's you know, we heard we're seeing this in the

527
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: Luigi mangi om case too. You know, it's like a

528
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: technicality again allegedly that's what the crime that he committed. Again,

529
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Speaker 2: we're in like technicality sauce in the courtroom, which is

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Speaker 2: not like did they do it?

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Speaker 3: Did they not do?

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Speaker 5: Technicality Olympics? The technicality Olympics exactly. That's it's very what

533
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Speaker 5: it is disturbing, it is and it just.

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Speaker 3: Shows you your lawyer counts.

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00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: Oh yes, whoever has the best lawyer wins, which also

536
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: is the endless loop of God forbid. You're accused of

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Speaker 2: a crime you didn't commit. I mean, you don't have

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00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 2: the resources to hire an attorney. I would be in prison.

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Speaker 3: You most people would be in I'd be in prison

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent because I driven away.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And in addition, Stephanie just pulled up one picture of

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Speaker 4: the kind kind of objectively smug looking Brian Walsh.

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Speaker 3: He was to murdering his wife.

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Speaker 4: And while I was looking at this was pictures of

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Speaker 4: him when he was on a shopping spree, when he

547
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 4: was getting a Tirex suit, hatchet, a hack, saw a hammers,

548
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 4: you know, buying all of those things which when found

549
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Speaker 4: had both his and Anna's DNA on it.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 5: So the defense is presenting this theory of sudden death

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00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 5: plus panic, right, So a lot is going to hinge

553
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Speaker 5: on how convincing their explanation is compared to this digital,

554
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 5: circumstantial and forensic evidence that the state has. It's really

555
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 5: going to be a toss up on who's more convincing, honestly, away,

556
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 5: it's going to be interesting to watch.

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Speaker 3: And no mention of Michael Proctor today.

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Speaker 2: Oh we didn't even mention the Michael Proctor will stay

559
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Speaker 2: too Monday, Proctor count you.

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Speaker 3: Just threw that in in the bitter I know.

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Speaker 4: Okay, we'll be following this case very closely as it

562
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Speaker 4: continues to enrold, so we're.

563
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Speaker 3: Going to keep it coming. But if you want to

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Speaker 3: jump in and join the convo.

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566
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Speaker 2: or of course you could always leave us a talk

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572
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573
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: So let's go to a talk back actually before we

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Speaker 2: kick in.

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Speaker 7: Hey, friends, the Samesley calling from Canada. My question is

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Speaker 7: for Stephanie. Stephanie, you often use this term of phrase,

577
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Speaker 7: saying there's a bit of an arrested development thing going on.

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Speaker 7: Maybe it's an American phrase, but I'm wondering if you

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Speaker 7: can explain what that means. I've actually never heard that

580
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Speaker 7: saying before, so would love to get your insight on it.

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Speaker 3: Thanks by Thanks for the question, Ainsley.

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Speaker 2: I think you're referring to me saying arrested development in

583
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Speaker 2: reference to David the pop star.

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Speaker 3: Perhaps this is.

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00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 2: The only time I think about saying it, But in general,

586
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 2: that basically means you haven't fully matured.

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00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 3: You know, we're stunted.

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00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, like in a fun, funny way, which none of

589
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: these cases would fall under that category, but in a

590
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: light way, it's, you know, the guy that's thirty two

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Speaker 2: years old and still acting like a child and doing

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Speaker 2: very childlike things.

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Speaker 5: Like maybe he doesn't want to get a job and

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Speaker 5: he's sitting at home playing video games.

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Speaker 3: All day and a little.

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Speaker 2: Socially stunted social rezs and in David the pop star reference,

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Speaker 2: I had read this someplace. But basically, he was one

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Speaker 2: of those kids that went to school until the seventh grade,

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Speaker 2: and then it was COVID, right, so everybody got stuck

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Speaker 2: at home. And then in that COVID period he had

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Speaker 2: found really his love for music, and his mom really

602
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: encouraged him to start working on his own music.

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Speaker 3: So he actually never returned to school.

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Speaker 2: So is it possible we were just I think talking

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Speaker 2: about I think his potential relationship with Celeste Reves Hernandez,

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Speaker 2: who of course was so very very young, died at

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Speaker 2: fourteen years old. That maybe because he had sort of

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Speaker 2: a seventh grade social mentality, that being around younger, younger teens,

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Speaker 2: because that's a pretty significant age difference at that time,

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Speaker 2: especially so that young you know, it's really a big

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Speaker 2: difference in terms of maturity.

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Speaker 3: So it was just as kind of theorizing a little bit.

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Speaker 2: She would have been thirteen years old, thirteen years how

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Speaker 2: old would he have been at that point, nineteen nineteen twenty.

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Speaker 4: But I mean it does the theory, you know, we're

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Speaker 4: obviously we don't know for fact definitely makes sense with

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Speaker 4: something that big happening. For example, a lot of people

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Speaker 4: would get caught in a state of arrested development if

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Speaker 4: they develop a drug habit at say the age of

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Speaker 4: seventeen very often, then if they come clean later, they

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Speaker 4: are literally in an arrested development from seventeen years old.

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Speaker 5: And I want to say, it's an actual medical term.

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Speaker 5: There's pretty legitimate. There's two there's a medical term in

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Speaker 5: a psychological term. A medical term like your growth plate

625
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 5: malfunctions and like maybe a limb is longer than another,

626
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 5: like you just don't have a good growth pattern. And

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Speaker 5: the psychological term is exactly how you described it.

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Speaker 3: Stuff. It's it's a real thing.

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Speaker 2: And sometimes even for like, oh, a man that's been

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Speaker 2: married for many, many, many, many many many years gets

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Speaker 2: divorced and like suddenly starts dating the girl at the

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00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 2: age that he was prior to getting married. I know

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Speaker 2: this is not crime related, but just an observation life

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Speaker 2: observations and stuff, because that's the familiar age group, right,

635
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 2: that's the familiar.

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Speaker 3: For when they can remember back to that time period.

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Speaker 3: So that's a little more exessing anyway.

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Speaker 6: I agree. I always get bothered when people use that term,

639
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Speaker 6: and you know, it's an older person and with miners

640
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 6: like I don't know if they use it for Michael

641
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 6: Jackson a lot too.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, it's still weird that there's no it's

643
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Speaker 3: still pedophilia.

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00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 2: That would still be, you know, a crime, which is

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Speaker 2: you know what's interesting about the David case, which I

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00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 2: know we'll talk about maybe more tomorrow, just the fact

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Speaker 2: that that in and of itself, if in fact they

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Speaker 2: were having a relationship, would have been a crime.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Wow, I'm glad that we got that cleared up

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Speaker 6: for too Canadian listener. And I think we have some

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Speaker 6: some other ones.

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Speaker 8: That Hijika's and she goes Amy from Ohio. I just

653
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Speaker 8: wanted to comment really quickly on the whole thing that

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Speaker 8: Trump's administration has been the most transparent with the Epstein files.

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Speaker 3: It's because he ran on.

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Speaker 9: It and be greatly underreported as the fact that after

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Speaker 9: des Lane was arrested, that there was a significant DOJ

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Speaker 9: investigation by the Biden administration that was killed by Trump's

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Speaker 9: administration in January.

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00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 3: What yeah, I didn't know this.

661
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, so wait a minute, Gislaine gets arrested and Biden

662
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 5: opens up an investigation into something into Epstein and Gislaine,

663
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 5: and Trump runs, he wins the election, He.

664
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Speaker 3: Runs on transparency.

665
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: By the rest on the record, many people had like

666
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 2: kind of track of the Epstein thing too at that point, right,

667
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: you know, if you weren't following that case very closely.

668
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: I have been, but many hadn't. It was out of

669
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: the the news cycle, if you will. So it's almost

670
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: as if Trump kind of resurrected it knowing full well

671
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: that it would never actually see the light of day,

672
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 2: which is even more crazy making because again, how dopey

673
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 2: do we have to all seem that you're making a

674
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 2: promise that you know full well you'll never actually plan

675
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 2: on committing or sticking to, even from jump because there

676
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 2: was always this added back channel.

677
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 3: So this, this investigation into this was killed. It was killed.

678
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 3: And by the way, the fact that.

679
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: We have eighteen days left in this ticking clock where

680
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: it's eighteen days one eight, remember this that bill was signed?

681
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 3: Should we do that date a daily day?

682
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 6: Signed? On?

683
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 3: Hold on, I have it right here, forgive me.

684
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 2: The Epstein Files Transparency Act was signed into law on

685
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: November twenty, twenty twenty five, seems like just yesterday, and

686
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 2: there's thirty days until December nineteenth to be exact, for

687
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: all files to be released. And again, a lot of

688
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: things are making press. This is not one of them

689
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 2: in the exact moment. But I can promise you the

690
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,439
Speaker 2: victims are, you know, speaking out that they're getting death

691
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 2: threats after death threats after death threats. The pressure is mounting,

692
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: and that clock is real. That's an unavoidable clock that frankly,

693
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 2: even I'm surprised, I think we all are.

694
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 3: We're even in this.

695
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 2: Position where allegedly these files will in fact have to

696
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 2: be released.

697
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: This is a bipartisan decision.

698
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 4: Is there an or else to that? The technic talk

699
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 4: everything has to be released, Let's make believe the day

700
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 4: comes or.

701
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 5: What what happens if they don't meet the deadline? Like

702
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 5: are they holding contempt or something like?

703
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 3: Great question, Yeah that I have.

704
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 6: I don't know the end, but.

705
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 3: That's a great idea, Jared, Yeah, I don't know.

706
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, we'll have to look into that one.

707
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 4: But because there have been so many times when they're

708
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 4: going to be released and the fires are.

709
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,479
Speaker 3: Going to be released, so just it never happens. Yeah,

710
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 3: I'm curious.

711
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's also getting very close to the holiday season,

712
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 6: So there's a world where it kind of gets lost

713
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 6: in the.

714
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Speaker 3: I imagine I don't want no.

715
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 6: No, no, so many times I'm team I don't so

716
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 6: much here.

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00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: That is not how to day is going to work.

718
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 2: We are Americans. This is the the process. This is

719
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: a promise. This has been written as an act. It's

720
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 2: a it's a law. Like it cannot just get kicked

721
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: down the pike till after the holidays. Why is everybody

722
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 2: giving me like a face of though they don't believe

723
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: that's going to happen.

724
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 3: Okay, we love Google.

725
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 2: Right now, this is not necessarily sourcing it back at

726
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: its finest on just on December nineteenth.

727
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 3: I'll do this meantime.

728
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 2: I know we have other talkbacks to get to, but

729
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: I'm going to get to the bottom of what happens.

730
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: If it's in fact December.

731
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 3: Night, you're on the case. I believe it.

732
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 5: If you're on the case and you're going to make

733
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 5: it happen, I have full faith in you to make

734
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 5: it happen.

735
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 3: Otherwise, can bet or not up.

736
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Speaker 2: That's like going to keep us distracted from this en clock.

737
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Speaker 3: Do you think that's kind of a mean right now?

738
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 3: I mean, you guys are the ones putting that in

739
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 3: my head. Listen, this is true crime tonight.

740
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 4: Right now we are talking about the clock that is

741
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 4: ticking down on the Ebstein Transparency Act that has been

742
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 4: filed to release everything. Do you think within the next

743
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 4: thirty days as stipulated by law, we will indeed see

744
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 4: all of those files. Let us know eight at eight

745
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 4: three one crime or leave us a talk back and

746
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 4: let's go grab one right now.

747
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Speaker 1: I was calling because I am curious about summer well

748
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: what's going.

749
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 3: On with that nice summer Wells, cad. I haven't. I

750
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 3: haven't talked about Summer Wells in a really long time.

751
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 3: Summer Wells. And for those who don't know, she's a.

752
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 5: Little girl in Tennessee, in northeastern Tennessee, if I remember correctly,

753
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 5: and she went missing out of her home, her front

754
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 5: yard in twenty twenty one, I believe, and.

755
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 3: There's been no trace of her.

756
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 5: She's five years old, little girl, just a little baby,

757
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,439
Speaker 5: the cutest little thing you've ever seen.

758
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 3: Please look her up. It's summer Moon tall.

759
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 5: Wells and the FBI or a TVI I believe, just

760
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 5: released a new kind of like age progression photo of

761
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 5: her back in August. These are these are the developments

762
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 5: back in August, there's been a news because she would

763
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 5: be like nine or ten by now, and t was

764
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 5: she went missing, and her parents really took a lot

765
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 5: of heat because there's no explanation for her being missing.

766
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 5: They just she was there and then she wasn't. And

767
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 5: you know, they live in rural Tennessee, they don't have

768
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 5: a lot of money. There were a lot of CPS

769
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 5: and domestic violence reports on the family long standing. In fact,

770
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 5: about a month after she went missing, the Wells family,

771
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 5: her mom and dad don they.

772
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 3: Lost their kids.

773
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 5: All of their kids got taken from them and adopted

774
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 5: out like dcs, all their kids. They this case was

775
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 5: nothing but toxicity on social media.

776
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 3: It was just everywhere.

777
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 5: It was just awful because parents were very active on

778
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 5: social media and they engaged with you know people, and

779
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 5: that just opened them up.

780
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 3: To criticism left and it was. It was terrible.

781
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 5: And poor Summer got like kind of lost in the

782
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 5: toxicness of this case. And many people won't even talk

783
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 5: about our case anymore because of how toxic it was.

784
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 3: And it's really sad.

785
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 5: TBI said that, oh, oh, the most important thing that

786
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 5: just happened right near the home, about ten miles from

787
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 5: the home. They searched a property in connection with her disappearance,

788
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 5: and that this just happened last month. In November, agents

789
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 5: and detectives followed up on new investigative lead around the

790
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 5: thirty five hundred block of Van Hill Road in Greenville,

791
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 5: roughly nine point eight miles from Summer's family home, and

792
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 5: that sparked a lot of new conversations about Summer Wells

793
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 5: and why were they investigating this property.

794
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 3: And everybody's looking at.

795
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 5: The trucks in the driveway and there was a truck

796
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 5: when some are went missing, and you know, people are

797
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 5: trying to piecing together and stuff like that. But those

798
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 5: are the only updates TB. This still is an active

799
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 5: amble alert in Tennessee. TBI, the Tennessee Bureau of Investigations

800
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 5: are a fabulous, fabulous organization, are very good. They know

801
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 5: what they're doing, but they have nothing, I mean well

802
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 5: nothing probably that we know. The parents have never been arrested,

803
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 5: nothing like that, Nothing's ever come out of it.

804
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 3: Nobody knows where Summer Wells is.

805
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 6: And they lost all their kids as well, so that

806
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 6: would be right.

807
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 5: And there's I would say fifty percent of people think

808
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 5: that the parents were involved, and fifty percent say they weren't.

809
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 5: It's very like nobody knows, you know, and because there's

810
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 5: no I hate to say this, but there's no body, right,

811
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 5: it's nobody. Cases are very difficult and you know, nobody

812
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 5: knows what Now. The parents of Summer Wells, I should

813
00:43:55,239 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 5: add say, they think that it's crazy, but they think DCS,

814
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 5: the Department of Child Services, is trafficking.

815
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 3: That's what they think.

816
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 5: Oh and because they had their kids taken and basically

817
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 5: given to other families, they're they're using that like, look

818
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 5: what they did to our family. They took my kids

819
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 5: and now they're with other families, and they also took Summer.

820
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 3: That's what they think. That's what they say.

821
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 6: Wow.

822
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 5: So it's it's very it's very toxic and it's very sad.

823
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 5: But there is no update on somewheer else.

824
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: I'm very glad that the yeah you updated us on

825
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: that that's even thought about Summer.

826
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 3: It was.

827
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 5: It was a case I followed for a hot minute,

828
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 5: but then it just got so toxic I had to

829
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:35,959
Speaker 5: step away.

830
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 3: It was like, oh I can't deal with this.

831
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 6: Yeah wow yeah following that one.

832
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, if there's any major updates, we'll definitely have

833
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously, if there's a major update, we'll definitely

834
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 5: discuss it. But the update recently is just that they

835
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 5: searched a property and connection about ten miles away, but

836
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 5: we don't have any information on what they found or

837
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 5: why they were searching.

838
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, well, to take.

839
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 3: Off my weight to vest, it's.

840
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 6: I time for one more talk back.

841
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 3: Maybe, Yeah, let's do a quick one here.

842
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 10: Okay, High Through Crime Team Andrea from New Jersey. Here, Courtney,

843
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 10: regarding your mashed potatoes with cream cheese up the Pioneer Woman.

844
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 10: She has a really good mashed potato recipe with the

845
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 10: cream cheese in it.

846
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 3: That's a riot. You're a Pioneer Woman.

847
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 4: You are actually one hundred percent correct that that is

848
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 4: what we ended up using, or some version of it,

849
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 4: because that came up very high in the results for

850
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 4: mashed potatoes or cream cheese was indeed the Pioneer Woman.

851
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 3: So my friend made them. This is really cheese dollars,

852
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 3: do you guys eggs? No eggs?

853
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, I haven't done that, no.

854
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 3: Consider Oh yeah, it makes them a little fluffy and delicious.

855
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 5: Really okay, just like a little doll up, a little

856
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 5: doll up to your liking.

857
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 4: Little well, listen, keep it here, because coming up, we

858
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 4: are going to get back into the mystery surrounding the

859
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 4: pregnant mother to be Rebecca Park. More info on that,

860
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 4: and later there's new twists and the disappearance of six

861
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 4: year old Aton Pates. It's a decade old case that's

862
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 4: headed back to court.

863
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 3: We've got that. We've got more true crime tonight.

864
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

865
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

866
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong and body move in. So we are discussing

867
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: the reality of what would happen in eighteen days if,

868
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: in fact, the Epstein files are not released as promised

869
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 2: on December nineteenth, as President Trump signed into law that

870
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: that would happen. So I would like to believe that

871
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 2: there will be enough public outcry and that this has

872
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 2: been a bipartisan decision that that would never ever happen.

873
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 3: I have a tough crowd around me.

874
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: I'm a tough company, kids, It's a Crown tough company.

875
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 3: So Courtney, I'm just tell me, tell me.

876
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 4: What this is A top line search so I'll qualify

877
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 4: with that. But what I'm finding is that if indeed

878
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 4: the records are not released under the Epstein Transparency Act,

879
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 4: the Department of Justice must explain why.

880
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no ridiculous. Yeah, say it that way. Yeah.

881
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 4: The Act allows for withholding records only if a couple

882
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 4: of things apply. If they jeopardize an active federal investigation,

883
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 4: one such as the one that's right, that's exactly right,

884
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 4: or contain unwarranted invasion of privacy such as the victims

885
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 4: identifiable information.

886
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 3: They could not be more clear like, let those we

887
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 3: not been datching, yep, standing on the steps one hundred percent.

888
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 4: However, that is a reason to withhold that you could give.

889
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 4: Also if it's child abuse material, so that should be

890
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 4: another reason, understand. So what is not permitted to withhold

891
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 4: you'll enjoy this Stephanie, I think is if it's embarrassment

892
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 4: or reputational harm. So you can't withhold or redact documents

893
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 4: simply because it would cause embarrassment to a public figure

894
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 4: or official. But I'll be honest with you, I think

895
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 4: this active investigation sounds like a slam dunk to me.

896
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 4: I mean, they just open one to former President Bill Clinton.

897
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 4: So I think we can stop there, I.

898
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 3: Mean on the way. May I be wrong? May you right?

899
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 2: No, you guys are going to be wrong. We need

900
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 2: to see the files. We need to see the bank records.

901
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 2: We need to see any bank transaction that has occurred

902
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: between JP, Morgan, et cetera. How is it possible that

903
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: that many hush deals were made and there's not a

904
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: very clean record of it. And people want to see

905
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 2: what happened behind closed doors in the grand jury testimony

906
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 2: that federally convicted Gileane Maxwell the first time for twenty years,

907
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 2: that will say so much?

908
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 4: Right?

909
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: So?

910
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 3: And why complicated deal now?

911
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 2: And why are we protecting the names of influential people

912
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 2: and potential policy leaders and world thinkers if they are

913
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:26,439
Speaker 2: up to no good?

914
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 3: Like, what's the cover up for? This?

915
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 2: Is not to prevent the victims from getting death threats.

916
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 2: They're already getting the death threats. They're so front and center.

917
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 2: Can you imagine if they blow.

918
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 3: Past this date?

919
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 2: Oh I lose my number or find me where? Because

920
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: maybe we'll get some those are fighting words. Maybe we'll

921
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 2: get some. But they're going to hold back.

922
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 5: Oh, we have to hold back these files because we

923
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 5: just open this investigations.

924
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 3: I don't even think Pam Bondi can step up to

925
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 3: a podium again and say.

926
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 6: That with me.

927
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 3: Has been hypnotized and like.

928
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 6: What is.

929
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 4: Tiffany minutes go missing from federal tapes in prison? Nothing

930
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 4: to see here. There's been a lot said with a

931
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 4: straight face that is a flabbergas I know.

932
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: But at this point, it seems as though we've been

933
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 2: yapping about this for a really long time. Frankly since

934
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 2: day one of this show. Thankfully, and so many of

935
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 2: our listeners, you guys have been so great by reaching

936
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: out and giving us your feedback and giving us information.

937
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 2: All that to be said, it does seem like it

938
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 2: was kind of yesterday's story to many until recently, and

939
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 2: now it does feel like by all accounts, just based

940
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 2: on that vote where so many Republicans change their tune

941
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 2: and record time, nobody wants to go down as that

942
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 2: guy in legacy and in history.

943
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 3: We'll see, well, if your hands are tied, your hands

944
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 3: are tied. Yeah, I mean.

945
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 5: Bandy, the one that told us that missing the first

946
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 5: time something that happens at all prisons.

947
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 3: It's it's something with this happens all the time here.

948
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 2: It is no, no, just to go walk down memory.

949
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 2: First she said they were on her desk. In prior

950
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 2: to that, there's a whole stack of them. Remember there

951
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: was like images of all the files. Then they were

952
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: on her desk. Then there was nothing to see here. Zoop,

953
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 2: change a tune.

954
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, Then there was the missing minute.

955
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 2: Then it was not controversial because Pam Bondy assured us

956
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 2: that it wasn't controversial because that's what happens all the

957
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 2: time in that missing minute. It turns out it's just

958
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 2: like resets, right.

959
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 5: So you saying, well, she can't get up there and

960
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 5: say nothing to see here, because yeah, she can, because

961
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 5: she's gone it a million times already.

962
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 2: But I feel like the first few times nobody really cared,

963
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 2: and now.

964
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 6: Everybody the spotlight is on a line.

965
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine that she would have the nerve

966
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 2: or audacity to stand front and center one more time

967
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: to take the minute. I would be like, there's no

968
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 2: way you'll make me go to that podium one more time.

969
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 11: Do you remember when they released the files, Like, yeah,

970
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 11: they gave out.

971
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 3: And they did the photo and it was the whole

972
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 3: thing was complete.

973
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 2: It was like literally they were handing up pages with

974
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 2: black Marky Locker.

975
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 3: And then they were like, oh wait.

976
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 2: We just we actually just dumped a bunch of files.

977
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 2: What are you guys talking about? It was identical to

978
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 2: the ones that we already had. So yes, but I

979
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 2: think the gig is up. You can only play along

980
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 2: so many times, like I don't know whatever, I was

981
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 2: just watching and again not political, but Cash Puttel, who

982
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 2: was also the biggest charge. He was on every podcast.

983
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 2: You know, Sean Ryan talking to Joe Rogan, released the files,

984
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 2: release the files, until the files weren't his hands. And

985
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 2: now he looks like he's been hypnotized, like he stands there.

986
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 3: It's not even he doesn't mean. He does not even

987
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 3: blink at this point.

988
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 2: So I just don't think any of them could get

989
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 2: up with a straight face to the American people and

990
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 2: say we are trying to protect the victims.

991
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and therefore it's predacted.

992
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 4: Past behavior determines future behavior, and they have shown that

993
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 4: is what they.

994
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 3: Have shown me. So let us find out. I'm going

995
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 3: to hold out hope. I'm holding out.

996
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 6: That's maybe our Christmas wish is will.

997
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 3: Keep hope alive.

998
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 5: So that's what I would like for the holidays, is

999
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 5: more Christmas wish. Actually, let's spend Christmas together going through

1000
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 5: the files.

1001
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 6: Lord.

1002
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 4: Uh, So, I have an update the fugitive in Virginia,

1003
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 4: the high school football coach Travis Turner, who is now

1004
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 4: wanted on a combined ten counts of child pornography and

1005
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 4: solicitation charges of trying to solicit minors. The US Marshals

1006
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 4: have now joined the search for this fugitive.

1007
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 3: Correct.

1008
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 4: So, as a reminder, Travis Turner is accused of those

1009
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 4: ten charges. Going to get well, we'll see the forty

1010
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 4: six year old high school football coach. He's from Big

1011
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 4: Stone Gap, Virginia. He vanished into the woods with a

1012
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 4: gun back on November twentieth, and this was as police

1013
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 4: planned to question him. They did not go there to

1014
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 4: arrest him on the twentieth, however, that is the day

1015
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:30,919
Speaker 4: that Travis Turner, the fugitive went missing. It was several

1016
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 4: days later when police obtained an arrest warrant for the

1017
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 4: multiple child pornography and solicitation charges. And so that is

1018
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 4: what shifted the case into a multi agency fugitive search.

1019
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 4: And then I gotta be honest, I'm gonna say this

1020
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 4: because it's kind of how everything is being reported, but

1021
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 4: I find it a very strange framing. But Travis Turner

1022
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 4: was a really good coach. His team continues to be undefeated.

1023
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 4: And I mentioned that because his son, Travis Turner, the fugitive,

1024
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 4: His twenty three year old son apparently was at a

1025
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,439
Speaker 4: recent high school game, and he said that the wind

1026
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 4: was bittersweet, of course, because his father is now missing

1027
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 4: and a fugitive. So Travis Turner's twenty three year old

1028
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 4: son and again went to this game, and apparently people

1029
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 4: were surrounding him and offering hugs and condolences, and apparently

1030
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 4: the son of this fugitive, his name is Bailey Turner,

1031
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 4: was fighting back tears because you know, right now, his

1032
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 4: father's nowhere to be found.

1033
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 3: He's in the woods with a gun, was last he

1034
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 3: is seen.

1035
00:55:54,160 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 4: Travis Turner's wife is publicly standing by him, and as

1036
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 4: is the hearner of family's attorneys. So the search continues. Yeah,

1037
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 4: marshals will find him.

1038
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 3: We know in firsthand.

1039
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 2: I was just going to say, those marshals don't play.

1040
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 2: I wonder if I mean, this is very difficult. I

1041
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 2: can't even imagine what the family is going through. Imagine

1042
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 2: finding out that your husband is being accused of these

1043
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 2: heinous things. Imagine as a twenty three year old man

1044
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 2: that your father is being accused of these heinous things.

1045
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 2: Takes a lot of courage and bravery. And I'm glad

1046
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 2: he went to the game and was too welcomed. Right,

1047
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 2: says a lot about the community, because obviously he had

1048
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 2: no part in this. But what a mess to leave

1049
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 2: behind for your children. I wonder if the wife is

1050
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 2: so publicly saying that she stands by her man and

1051
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 2: that this is so untrue in an effort to coerce

1052
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 2: her husband back in too, maybe potentially to custody.

1053
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, he's probably if she is, I wouldn't

1054
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 5: blame her, because he's probably safer in custody than he

1055
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 5: is on the streets.

1056
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And there's no way he's surviving out there

1057
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:09,720
Speaker 2: in a great sweatsuit in.

1058
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 3: A shotgun in Virginia.

1059
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 2: Either he's been taken in by somebody, or he's, you know,

1060
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 2: been taken by the by the weather.

1061
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 3: There's no way he's just wandering, no, of course not.

1062
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:21,919
Speaker 3: We're like in a den somewhere, like.

1063
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 2: It's blistering snow in so many parts of the country.

1064
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 2: I'm not particularly sure about Virginia. But it's freezing out there.

1065
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 3: He wasn't even wearing a coat, right.

1066
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, the US Marshals, they have offered a monetary reward

1067
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 4: and if anyone does see him.

1068
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 3: Uh.

1069
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 4: This fugitive Travis Turner is six foot three, He weighs

1070
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 4: about two hundred and thirty five pounds. He has brown hair,

1071
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 4: brown eyes. Again, he is likely armed with a gun

1072
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 4: and anyone who sees him should keep themselves safe and

1073
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 4: is asked to contact nine to one one for the

1074
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 4: US Marshal.

1075
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 3: It's the reward. How much is the reward? The reward

1076
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 3: is for five thousand dollars.

1077
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 6: That doesn't seem like a large amount enough.

1078
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't it's enough.

1079
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1080
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 3: That leads me to believe they think he's alive.

1081
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 6: Do you?

1082
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 5: And I makes you think because there's a reward like

1083
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 5: if he was if he was passed away, if the

1084
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 5: if the if the authorities thought he was dead, he's

1085
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 5: not going to be walking around for people to see

1086
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 5: him to call him in. And you know what I mean,

1087
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 5: I don't know. I could be wrong about it. I

1088
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 5: hope I'm right about it.

1089
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 6: I hope you're right.

1090
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 3: What were you going to say?

1091
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 6: No, No, I just I don't know why. I feel

1092
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 6: like it's a little like the Travis decory. That's totally

1093
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 6: different Travis. But but like I think he might have

1094
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 6: ended his own life or done something at this point in.

1095
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 3: Shape, right, I think you're probably right, Taha, just it.

1096
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 5: You know, I think there's tells that you can get

1097
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 5: as an investor, you know, looking at an investigation from

1098
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 5: the outside, right, And one of the tells for me

1099
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 5: is are they offering in the world war? And if

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Speaker 5: they're offering a reward, it tells it's just a it's

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Speaker 5: like a tell for me. As part of the investigation,

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Speaker 5: they have reason to believe he might be alive.

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Speaker 6: Okay, well let's hope, yeah.

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Speaker 3: But innocent until proven guilty.

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Speaker 2: There also hasn't been any any real assertion by anyone

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00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 2: in law enforcement as to who the minor was that

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00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 2: he was allegedly soliciting. Of course, the question is was

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00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 2: it a student, was it a neighbor, Who was this

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00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 2: young person?

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Speaker 3: Or you know, what was all the porn? Was it

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Speaker 3: kitty porn?

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Speaker 2: You know, all those specifics have not apparently been released

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Speaker 2: to the public.

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Speaker 4: No, but it is important to note on that Stephanie

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00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 4: that In fact, the police and school officials they have

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00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 4: publicly not disclosed whether any of the alleged victims are

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00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,919
Speaker 4: connected to Union High School, because of course that would

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Speaker 4: be the question.

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Speaker 3: So there has been zero statement either way. So we'll see. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: should we go.

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Speaker 6: To Yeah, do we want to? I think well, maybe

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Speaker 6: we just go to a talk back and then we'll

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Speaker 6: talk about some of the other cases that we have

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Speaker 6: in the that are coming up. But Adam, we have

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Speaker 6: enough time for one.

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Speaker 3: Good morning True crime Gigi here.

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Speaker 4: I just wanted to say, I hope you all had

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Speaker 4: an amazing Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 3: Getting caught up out walking this morning. Thirty two degrees here,

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Speaker 3: amazing to me. Degree to keep up the good work,

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01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 3: love y'all. Yeah, she's a mind reader.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Gigi, can you make sure you keep an eye

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01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 2: out because there is somebody potentially on the loose in

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Speaker 2: that area. It's thirty two degrees, by the way, shout

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Speaker 2: out to you for the thirty two year thirty two

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Speaker 2: degree walk. I blew mine off this morning because my

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01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 2: excuse was that it was too cold.

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Speaker 3: Really, what is it where you are? It was like

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Speaker 3: sixteen degrees sixth morning one?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? Yeah?

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01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, it's very very real and my

1143
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 2: blood is very very thin, you know, aliform live in.

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01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, shoot, this is cold.

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01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 4: You need some long Johns, some layer.

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Speaker 5: Ay and Detroit always makes fun of me because I'm like,

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01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 5: it's six sixty degrees.

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Speaker 3: It's cold, and they're like, excuse me, it's funny. Sixty

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01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 3: degrees is cold. Like, I'm with you on that. People

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01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 3: in the East coat I.

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01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 6: Think it's ridiculous when we say that.

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01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 3: I mean, because of course they do, yeah, but it is.

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01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 6: I'm like you, I'm freezing. I have a thermals and.

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01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 3: Look at me. I'm bundled up. I swear a coat

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01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 3: that's to my ankles. Oh my goodness, I've seen it.

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01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 3: It's true. It's like it's like a walking duvet. Well, listen,

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01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 3: stick around.

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Speaker 4: We are going to get into some of the details

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01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 4: of the missing six year old Aton Pates. Prosecutors are

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01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 4: gearing up for another trial, and we also have more

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Speaker 4: information on Rebecca Park. Keep it here True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. My voice is a little

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01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 2: I got a little scratch of my voice. We had

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01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 2: a couple giggles during the preade cspy a little raspy.

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Speaker 3: So here we are.

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Speaker 2: I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with Courtney and Boddy, Sam and

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01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 2: Adam and Taha also in the studio keeping us in check.

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01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 2: We obviously want to hear from you if you want

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01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 2: to jump in and join the combo or just leave

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01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 2: us a talk back body, go ahead, more on this,

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Speaker 2: go ahead, hit us.

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Speaker 3: Rebecca Park. So, Rebecca Park.

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Speaker 5: She's a twenty two year old pregnant woman from boone

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01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 5: again And as we know we talked about extensively. Her

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01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 5: body was found, and when her body was found, the

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Speaker 5: baby was not in her belly. And there's been a

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Speaker 5: couple of arrests that just happened yesterday since we covered this, Okay,

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01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 5: So I'm going to get into all the arrests because

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01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 5: there's quite a few, Okay. The mother and the biological

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01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 5: mother and the stepfather of Northern Michigan woman Rebecca Park.

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01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 5: They've been arrested following the discovery of Rebecca Park's body

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01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 5: in the Manistee National Forest. Rebecca Park was thirty eight

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01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 5: weeks pregnant when she disappeared on November three. Remember she

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01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 5: was at her biological mother's house. And her biological mother's

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01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 5: name is Courtney, and Courtney said, Rebecca got into a

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01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 5: black car with tinted windows and said, sorry, mom, this

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01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 5: is something I have to do, and she just vanished.

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Speaker 3: Remember, right, I mean so pregnant. Right.

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Speaker 5: So her body was found just recently on the twenty

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01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 5: fifth of November, and this, you know, widened. The investigation

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Speaker 5: is authorities search for answers about her death and the

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Speaker 5: whereabouts of the baby. Where is the baby? Okay, So again,

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Speaker 5: there's many arrests in this. Okay, I'm gonna go over

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Speaker 5: them right now. Courtney Barthur Leomew. She is the biological

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Speaker 5: mother of Rebecca Park.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 5: Her husband, Brad Bartholomew, is a registered sex offender and

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Speaker 5: he has been arrested.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so those two have been arrested.

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Speaker 5: Previously, her biological sister, Kimberly Park was also arrested, and

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01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 5: her fiance and the baby's daddy, Richard Fowler, who is

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01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 5: also a registered sex offender, was arrested. Now let's good,

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01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 5: let's get into the charges. Okay, Kimberly Park, the sister

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01:04:55,640 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 5: of victim Rebecca Park. Okay, Kimberly Park Her charges are

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01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 5: tampering with evidence in a criminal case, lying to police

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01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 5: officers during a violent crime investigation, and filing a false

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01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 5: report of a felony. All right, Richard Fowler, he is

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01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 5: the baby daddy and the fiance of the victim, Rebecca Park,

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Speaker 5: two counts of delivering meth.

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Speaker 6: Ugh.

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Speaker 5: Now the other two the biological mother, Courtney Bartholomew, we

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01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 5: don't know her charges yet, and her husband, Brad Bartholomew,

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01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 5: we don't know his charges yet either, because their arraement

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01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:36,919
Speaker 5: was scheduled today and that's where we would learn about

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01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 5: these charges, but it got rescheduled for tomorrow. So why

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01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 5: we don't Why we don't one hundred percent no. But

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01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 5: the scuttle butt, you know, the scuttle butt on the

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01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 5: streets set is.

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Speaker 3: That it was something to do with their lawyers. But

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Speaker 3: we don't know.

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Speaker 5: But we don't know, the biggest question is where's the baby?

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Speaker 5: Where's the Where is this little baby? But I will

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01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 5: say last night when we were on there, remember I

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01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 5: was telling you guys, this is coming in right now. Brad,

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Speaker 5: the stepfather of victim Rebucka. Park, was on property as

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01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 5: they were searching. So they were searching last night Courtney's home,

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01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 5: the biological mother in Brad's home, and Brad was like

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01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 5: showing them things. So scuttle butt, there's more scuttle But

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01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 5: do you guys like the scuttle butt or now? Okay,

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01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 5: So Brad is being housed in a different jail than

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Speaker 5: the other three. So the scuttle butt is that he's

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Speaker 5: talking and for his protection basically somewhere else. And because

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01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 5: he was with police like kind of pointing things out

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01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 5: and whatnot, well, they were boxing things up and you know,

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01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 5: putting them in their veins for evidence collection. Brad was

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01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 5: with them. So that's the scuttle button. But we don't know,

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01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 5: and we won't know.

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01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 2: This looks like real messy, Like as I look at

1240
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 2: their photos too, this is like.

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Speaker 3: Sunshots do not look Yeah, they live.

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Speaker 5: For those who don't know, this is northern Michigan, just

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01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 5: north of Lake Cadillac.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to my dad, by the way, he loves

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Speaker 3: that area up there.

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Speaker 5: I'm from Michigan and anyway, so they it's just north

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01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 5: of Cadillac. It's a very small community called Boone, Michigan,

1248
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 5: very very small community and they've been just rocked by

1249
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 5: this horrible situation just completely rocked. There's a lot of

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01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 5: good people up there, but this is not this is

1251
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 5: not like a reflection on this community, right, He's remember

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01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 5: when I proposed the story a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: It's like, we've got to start talking about this. This

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01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 3: is wild.

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01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 5: Everyone is a sex offender and mess dealer and like.

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Speaker 2: So it's I mean, you have to be on math

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01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 2: if you're going to actually kill.

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01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 3: Your own daughter allegedly allegedly allegedly, or cover it.

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01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 2: Up or have any knowledge of it one way or

1260
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 2: the other, or let your married sex offending husband participate

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01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 2: in some demented way one with a sister.

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Speaker 3: This is her beloved sister.

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01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 2: Why is she not trying to find the answers for

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01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 2: her disappearance of it?

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01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 3: Camp?

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Speaker 5: Well, listen, they're all they and I'm not I'm not

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01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,600
Speaker 5: even joking when I say this. They're all sleeping with

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01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 5: each other, and they're all related somehow, like second cousins,

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01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:39,719
Speaker 5: cousins and whatnot. And this gets messy very quickly. And

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Speaker 5: this is just going to be a case We're going

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Speaker 5: to have to continue to follow it.

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Speaker 2: Wait, hold up on that, because I don't want to

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Speaker 2: graze over that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm serious.

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Speaker 2: So because I thought something you said yesterday really stuck

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Speaker 2: with me, even as I was trying to fall asleep.

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Speaker 2: I put it because I was stuck on Rebecca Park's mother. So,

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Speaker 2: Rebecca Park has a mom, Courtney, as you mentioned, who

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Speaker 2: has now been arrested today. So she was having a

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Speaker 2: little Shenanigans with Rebecca Park's baby daddy, correct years ago.

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01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:14,679
Speaker 2: So they were born pre Rebecca. Oh so Rebecca mom's boyfriend.

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01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 2: The scuttle butt. The scuttle butt, you guys, the scuttle

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01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:19,759
Speaker 2: I can't get over the world. The scuttle butt.

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Speaker 5: Is that Kimberly the sister who's also been arrested and

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Speaker 5: baby daddy.

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Speaker 3: Richard, we're having a little real time real time. I

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Speaker 3: want you all.

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01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 2: To pull up this man's photo, Richard, how is he pulling.

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Speaker 6: All of that?

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01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 3: Well, look at that or something like that is not

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01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:43,759
Speaker 3: Bradley Cooper.

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01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 5: But if you picture like a myth head, that's right. Yeah,

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01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 5: And he's a registered sex offender with an extensive history.

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Speaker 3: Oh god, little girls, little.

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Speaker 2: Are their other children in the mix that we know of,

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Speaker 2: not that they are.

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Speaker 3: So Rebecca has an adopted mom.

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Speaker 5: Like a day, she was really legitimately adopted, and she

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Speaker 5: was adopted with her sister Kimberly and raised outside of

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Speaker 5: Courtney and whatnot her. That's the goodness, the mother and

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01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 5: the fat like that her adoptive family have possession or

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01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 5: a custody of Kimberly's children and Rebecca's other children as well.

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01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 5: The victim, Rebecca, she has all So the grandmother has

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01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 5: custody of all the kids.

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Speaker 3: Thank oh God, goodness, goodness. Yeah.

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01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 5: So this is true crime tonight on iHeartRadio where we're

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01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 5: talk in true crime all the time. We were just

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01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 5: talking about victim Rebecca park in this horrible case. But

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01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 5: Courtney tell us about what's going on. Oh wait, no,

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Speaker 5: do we have a talk back about Let's go to that.

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Speaker 3: Oh bring Hi. This is Tamera from New Jersey.

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Speaker 12: I have a question about the Aton Pate case. I

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Speaker 12: heard that Pedro Hernandez, who was convicted of his murder,

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Speaker 12: is getting a new trial or can possibly be released.

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Speaker 12: I have no idea what's going on with that. Hopefully

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Speaker 12: you can clarify or maybe it's a question for Jared.

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Speaker 12: Thanks so much, love your show, and happy Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 3: That was so nice.

1319
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Speaker 6: That was nice.

1320
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you very much.

1321
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 4: And yeah, a lot of information in this very old case.

1322
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 4: So Manhattan prosecutors have announced that they will retry accused

1323
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 4: kidnapper and killer Pedro Hernandez, and this would be for

1324
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 4: the third time. The case is the nineteen seventy nine

1325
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 4: disappearance and subsequent killing of Aton Pates, who was six

1326
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 4: years old at the time. So the case was overturned

1327
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 4: this summer due to improper jury instructions, so it had

1328
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:08,639
Speaker 4: nothing evidentiary. But Eton Pates was a six year old

1329
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 4: boy in Soho that's part of Manhattan, and back in

1330
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 4: May of nineteen seventy nine, he was walking alone on

1331
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 4: to a school bus for the very first time, and

1332
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 4: the six year old's disappearance sparked a massive search and

1333
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 4: actually ended up transforming national awareness around missing children.

1334
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 3: So this poor six.

1335
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 4: Year old boy, Aton Pates, his father was a photographer,

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01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 4: and a picture that was taken by his father ended

1337
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 4: up becoming the first face on a milk carton. If

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01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:47,679
Speaker 4: anyone is old enough to remember that it was around

1339
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,879
Speaker 4: for a while that when kids went missing, their faces

1340
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 4: were literally printed on milk containers.

1341
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 6: I remember that it.

1342
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:56,560
Speaker 3: Was very important and it was very effective.

1343
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 2: I think, if I'm not mistaken, I wonder why that

1344
01:12:58,880 --> 01:12:59,879
Speaker 2: doesn't happen anymore.

1345
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 3: So they I actually can tell you.

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01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,679
Speaker 4: So, the milk carton idea began back in nineteen eighty four,

1347
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 4: so this is five years after Aton Pates went missing,

1348
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 4: and at the time, local dairies began printing photos of

1349
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 4: missing kids to help find them, and this idea was

1350
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 4: spread nationwide through the National Child Safety Council, and the

1351
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:29,520
Speaker 4: program faded in the nineties when families stopped buying cartons,

1352
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 4: when schools switched to plastic jugs, and when Amber Alert,

1353
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 4: the internet and national databases.

1354
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:38,520
Speaker 3: Became far more effective.

1355
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 4: So it yeah, so it seems like they served their

1356
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 4: purpose for as long as they could and then it

1357
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 4: was overstep for those reasons. And this was also around

1358
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:54,640
Speaker 4: the time that the National Center for Missing and Exploited

1359
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 4: Children was founded, which was in nineteen eighty four. So

1360
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 4: back quickly to why this case is being overturned.

1361
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 3: Prosecutors confirmed just.

1362
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:11,639
Speaker 4: Last week that again they're going to try the accused

1363
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 4: killer and the kidnapper and killer Pedro Hernandez on the

1364
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 4: second degree murder and first degree kidnapping charges. And what

1365
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 4: they're saying it's not double jeopardy because admissible evidence remains sufficient.

1366
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 6: Right, So the third time it is is that what

1367
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 6: I understood you said, this will be the third time

1368
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 6: this is happening.

1369
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 3: Now, that is correct.

1370
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 4: So the first trial was a hung jury and then

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01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 4: he was found guilty in the second trial. And the details,

1372
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:58,719
Speaker 4: it seems like it's complicated on all sides. Because Pedro Hernandez, okay,

1373
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 4: so he's accused, was convicted of killing and murdering. He's

1374
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 4: sixty four years old right now, he remains incarcerated despite

1375
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:12,600
Speaker 4: the fact that his conviction was overturned. Now, Pedro Hernandez's

1376
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 4: defense team publicly has expressed disappointment and reiterated their belief

1377
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 4: that the accused killer, Pedro Hernandez, is innocent, and they

1378
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 4: pledged to give a stronger defense and a new trial.

1379
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 4: That is not unusual, of course for a defense to say,

1380
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 4: but the circumstances are strange. Again, it was May of

1381
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 4: seventy nine when six year old Aton Pats disappeared, and

1382
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 4: then in twenty twelve, which is thirty three years after

1383
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 4: the fact, accused killer Pedro Hernandez, a relative of his

1384
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 4: offered up a tip and then yeah, police came to

1385
01:15:54,960 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 4: him and Hernandez confessed during a lengthy interrogation, and this

1386
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 4: was before being read his Miranda rights.

1387
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 2: Luigi, exactly, are we back on a technicality yet again?

1388
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, so that happened back in twenty twelve. And

1389
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:18,640
Speaker 4: what Hernandez said in the confession He described luring the

1390
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 4: six year old age on Pats into a basement with

1391
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 4: the promise of soda, allegedly killing him at disposing of

1392
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 4: the body in a bag. But the defense attorney argues

1393
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:34,679
Speaker 4: that Hernandez is severely mentally ill, has a low IQ,

1394
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:38,520
Speaker 4: and may not even be able to distinguish truth from fantasy,

1395
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 4: so they claim his confession was coerced. So there's a

1396
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 4: lot of a lot of layers to this one. But again,

1397
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 4: the reason why it will be tried now for a

1398
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 4: third time is because of insufficient jury.

1399
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 5: I remember, I remember when he went missing because we

1400
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:01,600
Speaker 5: were literally the same age in nineteen seventy nine. I

1401
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 5: was six and my mom, do you guys remember, I mean,

1402
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys are born back then,

1403
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 5: but I might be the oldest one here. But this

1404
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 5: was like a massive deal. This was a really really

1405
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 5: big deal. And this was, like you said, Courtney, his

1406
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 5: first solo trip to the bus. I was working on

1407
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 5: the same trips to kindergarten walking in Detroit to or suburb,

1408
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 5: but walking to school, and it was just a terrifying

1409
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 5: time for parents with kids that age like it was.

1410
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 3: But then my mom eventually was like a just go

1411
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 3: buy yourself, you know, on the loose. Yeah, it was

1412
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,480
Speaker 3: a scary time. It was horrifying.

1413
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 2: And think about how effective the milk or milk carton

1414
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 2: were talk about making your message from your mess for

1415
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 2: his family. Yet it's taken decades for justice to actually happen.

1416
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 3: Right Well, stick around because we have more to dig into.

1417
01:17:58,720 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 3: Keep it right here on True Crampton.

1418
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 5: We have one more story that's already blowing up our talkbacks.

1419
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 3: Keep it right here, True Grime Tonight.

1420
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight and iHeartRadio. We're talking

1421
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. My goodness this night is

1422
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 2: it's kind of flying by Mondays are always so stacked.

1423
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 2: Why don't you agree, ladies, super stick It's been a

1424
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 2: doozy of a day, dozy of a day with still

1425
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 2: more to come. The talkbacks keep those coming for sure.

1426
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 2: In fact, let's go to one right now.

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01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 13: This is Aba from La I just had to pause

1428
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 13: a documentary part way through, because I really think we

1429
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 13: should watch it. It's on Netflix, The Carmen Family Death.

1430
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 13: It's a short movie. I really suggest it for a watch.

1431
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 13: I'm very curious to know what you think.

1432
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 3: Amen, I'm in. I'm in absolutely.

1433
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 6: That was our true crime and children pick and we

1434
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 6: talked about watching it over the holidays. But are you

1435
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 6: guys going to be upset if I say we should

1436
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 6: hold off and give us a little more time.

1437
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 3: Okay, I know I just needed a true crime break

1438
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,599
Speaker 3: over the break. I know I've been to a lot.

1439
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:19,639
Speaker 2: Of things, but it wasn't anything surrounding murder.

1440
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 5: Let me guess it was on Bravo.

1441
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 2: By the way, those Mormon Housewives got me all sucked

1442
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:29,759
Speaker 2: in after Dancing with the Stars.

1443
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 3: Have any of you been watching Dancing with the Stars

1444
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 3: this season? It was really good, even if you're not

1445
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 3: a fan.

1446
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 2: I would watch some of the highlights from the later

1447
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,560
Speaker 2: episodes and Dancing with the Stars.

1448
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 3: It was kind of inspiring.

1449
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 2: And one of the contestants is on a show called

1450
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 2: The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives show.

1451
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 3: It's on Hulu and it's new for me.

1452
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 2: Anyway, she went very far and it became very controversial,

1453
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 2: and she's a very good dancer. It became controversial kind

1454
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 2: of oddly because on the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives show,

1455
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 2: which is on Hulu. And this is not crime related,

1456
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 2: Are you sure you what I'm going to finish this?

1457
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 6: Well?

1458
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 2: Anyway, she apparently said on the reality show, well, I

1459
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 2: guess if everyone's going to try out for Dancing with

1460
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 2: the Stars, I'll come back this season to be on

1461
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 2: this show, because that would maybe get her on the

1462
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 2: Dancing with the Stars show because a couple of them

1463
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 2: tried out.

1464
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 3: Well, she's using it as like a ladder.

1465
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like the other Mormon wives weren't feeling it.

1466
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 2: The mom uh what do they call themselves, mom talks

1467
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 2: or something? They have mom talks mom talks anyway. Yeah, yeah,

1468
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:41,720
Speaker 2: I'm just catching up. I've only watched like sixty four

1469
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:48,639
Speaker 2: episodes at this point. There's three seasons, and I started

1470
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 2: at season three kind of midway, just because I wanted

1471
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 2: to see who the you know the answer was that

1472
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 2: was getting all this play and and then I got

1473
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 2: sucked in and I went back in time in the

1474
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 2: closets watch it. Yeah, it's kind of husbands are always

1475
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 2: watching Sam and I are both.

1476
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:13,599
Speaker 3: We're both fans over here. We love each other because

1477
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 3: of it too. Sam and Adam and I can hang.

1478
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 5: I cannot imagine Sam sitting down and watching what do you.

1479
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 3: Mean with his reality shows?

1480
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 4: I have?

1481
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 11: I decided to like watch it, and it's pretty It's

1482
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 11: pretty interesting, didn't sa juicy?

1483
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:31,680
Speaker 3: They know the assignment they came to play.

1484
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:34,839
Speaker 11: Especially some of these other girls, they're like, oh my gosh,

1485
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 11: you're diabolical.

1486
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:40,680
Speaker 5: Really okay, I'm in I'm into that. I I'm kind

1487
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 5: of I got kind of addicted to what's the one

1488
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 5: with the boat that Courtney and I watch?

1489
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1490
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Indy and I watch that. We binged it

1491
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 5: like hardcore, and I got really into that. So I

1492
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 5: could see myself like really getting sucked into this.

1493
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just totally check it out. One of them,

1494
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 2: remember there was that, like Swingers scandal. It kind of

1495
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 2: hit the press at some point.

1496
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, huh. One of the girls from that

1497
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 3: isn't it it's it's a little it's a but yeah.

1498
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:10,560
Speaker 3: The web is Tiri And now I think she's the bachelorette.

1499
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:14,799
Speaker 3: That's right, that is right? Are you am I breaking

1500
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 3: news right now? Adams?

1501
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's the new bachelorette and wells from the bachelorette

1502
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 2: who's also the bartender, is not happy about it.

1503
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 3: Does say about it.

1504
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 2: He does not feel like it's a representation of who

1505
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 2: the bachelorette should be, given that she was a part

1506
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:37,959
Speaker 2: of the Mormon swing scandal.

1507
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:41,639
Speaker 4: That was a big scandal and it happened to break

1508
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:45,480
Speaker 4: right when the show was premiering, if I remember correct.

1509
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Jen Affleck, does that ring a bell?

1510
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:52,719
Speaker 4: This woman going around saying that she's Ben Affleck's cousin

1511
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 4: and say this.

1512
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 3: Two of us. She really wasn't really, it is all.

1513
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 4: She was saying, every you know, what would you like

1514
01:22:59,200 --> 01:22:59,759
Speaker 4: for breakfast?

1515
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 3: Ben Affleck's cousin?

1516
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 4: But she landed herself on a Dunkin Donuts commercial with

1517
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:06,759
Speaker 4: Ben Affleck.

1518
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:12,800
Speaker 3: Funny there, I can say. Ben Affleck seems like the best.

1519
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 3: Do you guys like Ben Afflex I like that love.

1520
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 4: I mean he's brooding and dark and so of course

1521
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:18,839
Speaker 4: from Boston.

1522
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:22,679
Speaker 5: No hard, no, no, I just don't have any feelings

1523
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:24,799
Speaker 5: about Ben aff I mean I like him as an actor,

1524
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 5: but I'm not like Affleck.

1525
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 3: I have many feelings about him.

1526
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've been dying to ask you are you planning

1527
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 6: to set some time aside to watch the P Diddy?

1528
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:38,839
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, midnight tonight? Baby? Are you tonight?

1529
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:42,640
Speaker 2: You listen you show very very late, and I have

1530
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:44,919
Speaker 2: a hard time falling asleep, and then I stir about

1531
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:48,680
Speaker 2: all of the cases that we discuss. So I do

1532
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 2: think it drops tonight, and it's only in an hour

1533
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 2: after the show raps, so chances are I'll give it

1534
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:58,120
Speaker 2: a little sample. I saw an interview with fifty Cent

1535
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:01,639
Speaker 2: and the director to a fifty Cent obviously a long

1536
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:05,640
Speaker 2: time rival of Ditty's and is the executive producer of it.

1537
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 3: I think it's like four parts or something.

1538
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 2: So either he has some like interesting backstory and it's

1539
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 2: not just more of what we already know, which it

1540
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 2: very well could be. I would have to assume he

1541
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 2: has some other access points.

1542
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 5: He probably has some more insight right right into something.

1543
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 5: But from what I remember, he was clowning on P

1544
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 5: Diddy quite a bit on Twitter, and then he kind

1545
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 5: of led up a little bit right started when he's

1546
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 5: sentencing when it well, I remember after sentencing he was

1547
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 5: like lol, and like he was kind of laying back

1548
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:42,680
Speaker 5: into him a little bit on Twitter. I was like,

1549
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 5: oh my goodness. And now there's this documentary, so we'll

1550
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 5: have to see.

1551
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1552
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 5: I'm gonna wait for your Yeah, I have a feeling

1553
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 5: it's not going to hold my attention. Really, I bet

1554
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 5: you it will.

1555
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 3: I bet you it will. Well, I'm curious.

1556
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 2: I think fifty cent is saying according to the interview

1557
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 2: I watched with him and Robert Roberts this morning on GMA,

1558
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 2: so my sourcing just for Flay, he basically said like

1559
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 2: he had to speak out because he didn't want Like

1560
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:14,600
Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing, but I think the question was, did you

1561
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:17,839
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, Ditty's behavior was a reflection generally

1562
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:22,599
Speaker 2: speaking on the hip hop community and fifty do I say,

1563
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 2: fifty I feel like I'm saying this so wrong, Fitty Fitty,

1564
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:30,720
Speaker 2: It's so pathetic, so Fitty, So Fitty said like he

1565
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 2: had to kind of speak out because it was, you know,

1566
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 2: not a representation of how he feels.

1567
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 3: And how the hip hop community as a whole. Well,

1568
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 3: should Night things differently. We were recovering Diddy.

1569
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 5: Should Knight was speaking out in prison and saying hip

1570
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 5: hop's got a change, not good to women.

1571
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:53,360
Speaker 4: Remember, well, Ditty is absolutely not a fan at least

1572
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:58,599
Speaker 4: according to his spokesperson in a statement, they said, quote

1573
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 4: Netflix is so called documentary is a shameful peace and

1574
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 4: quote confirms that Netflix relied on stolen footage that was

1575
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 4: never authorized for release.

1576
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 3: So this is ditty, spokesperson comment.

1577
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 2: Just because it's stole, throwing up a lawsuit, it's not real.

1578
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, but.

1579
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 6: The footage. Now I'm a little more intrigued.

1580
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 3: So we's okay. So what are we gonna do?

1581
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 5: Are we gonna are we going to do the talkback

1582
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 5: documentary or are we going to do ditty?

1583
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 2: Well, I could just give you a green light red

1584
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:35,639
Speaker 2: light tomorrow. I'll try to sample it before the show tomorrow.

1585
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:36,080
Speaker 3: I will.

1586
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 2: I won't obviously get through four episodes I have of

1587
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 2: course I have work, but I probably will sneak in

1588
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:43,679
Speaker 2: a little tonight or before work tomorrow.

1589
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:49,639
Speaker 5: So at tomorrow we'll decide I'm going to watch watch

1590
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 5: the Carmen one.

1591
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:52,840
Speaker 6: I'm going to I'm going to do I think this is.

1592
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 5: I mean, this is like you know, I tease this

1593
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 5: a little bit. We have gotten a lot of talkbacks

1594
01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:58,720
Speaker 5: about this documentary.

1595
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:01,320
Speaker 6: Particular fourth one where someone suggested we watch it, So

1596
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 6: there's something there.

1597
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 3: There's something there. I just say we start with that

1598
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 3: for sure. It's very short. From what I understand, it's

1599
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:13,599
Speaker 3: kind of like the Aleen one. It was very short.

1600
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 6: Yeah. I like those, So okay, we'll circle back to it,

1601
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 6: and maybe tomorrow will decide when we have the deep

1602
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 6: conversation about it.

1603
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:21,240
Speaker 3: I'm down. I'm down.

1604
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:23,559
Speaker 6: That'll be a good one. The holidays have kept us busy,

1605
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:26,600
Speaker 6: so we needed that extra breathing. We did also to

1606
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 6: get away from a little true crime. Like you said,

1607
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 6: I I did movies. I didn't watch you know, reality shows.

1608
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 6: I did Wicked.

1609
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 3: I played it for good things. I want to go

1610
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 3: see your dress up for good? Did I dress up

1611
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 3: for Wicked for good? Yeah?

1612
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 6: Well this is I didn't.

1613
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 3: I but I didn't really dress up.

1614
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 6: But I guess you didn't.

1615
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 3: Just pictures. I know.

1616
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 6: It was just a green sweater. It wasn't like like you.

1617
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 3: Know, my friend Michelle went up and she wore a wig,

1618
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:57,640
Speaker 3: a red wig. She looked beautiful and.

1619
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:00,320
Speaker 6: And I thought I was foolish but just wearing that

1620
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:02,759
Speaker 6: color until I see people coming in in full gowns

1621
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:05,599
Speaker 6: and I'm like, oh my god, people people grow really

1622
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:06,559
Speaker 6: go all out?

1623
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 3: Was it I?

1624
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 6: Liked it, but I didn't like it as much as

1625
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 6: the first because I think the first one, like I

1626
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 6: didn't expect it to be good, and I wound up

1627
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:19,599
Speaker 6: crying like three times, and this one, the expectations.

1628
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 5: Were so talk about Ariana Grande and the.

1629
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:29,560
Speaker 3: Kind of and I'm a fan of them both individually.

1630
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 3: She's the outsiders so clear. I love her. Man there

1631
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:36,480
Speaker 3: is so strange.

1632
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:40,800
Speaker 6: It's very hands.

1633
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:40,719
Speaker 3: And then nails and.

1634
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 2: Then over over touching, and it's just I'm so weird out,

1635
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 2: Like they just put them in seats next to each other.

1636
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 3: It's bizarre. They like the taste each other, Yeah, that

1637
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 3: on each other. Yeah, like I it's just it's bizarre.

1638
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 5: Like she's like adjusting her necklace and it doesn't even

1639
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 5: need to just like, what is going on with this?

1640
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 3: I think it's just sisterhood.

1641
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:06,719
Speaker 4: Sisterhood, sisterhood, And that's aarm strong.

1642
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 3: If we were all the three of us were doing

1643
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 3: an interview together, would we would not be like sister

1644
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 3: each other each other? Even you guys, I would. I

1645
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 3: would fix body's necklace and I would touch on you.

1646
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 2: You would, But if it wasn't messed up, you Woulding

1647
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 2: to imagine if I was just groping on you.

1648
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:28,599
Speaker 6: As you're talking, like what's wrong?

1649
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 3: And I like them both.

1650
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 2: To imagine Drew Barrymore as the interviewee and a close

1651
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:44,719
Speaker 2: talker also.

1652
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:44,639
Speaker 3: Like gets so close and was brawling on people today

1653
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 3: a nightmare.

1654
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:49,519
Speaker 4: Speaking of pause off, she really like Drew Barrymore. It's

1655
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:51,480
Speaker 4: been uncomfortably close.

1656
01:29:51,240 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 2: And your shoes off and what are you.

1657
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:02,679
Speaker 3: Here? I don't I did not mean to only with friends.

1658
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:06,560
Speaker 2: I feel like you can't be on everybody's lap, every guest.

1659
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:08,360
Speaker 3: It's so bizarre.

1660
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 2: And I love Drew Barrymore and I wish we were

1661
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 2: all friends, but I don't know.

1662
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 3: I don't know. So you're saying not to see Wicked,

1663
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 3: How you're gonna no?

1664
01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:16,519
Speaker 10: No?

1665
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:22,439
Speaker 6: And every person I've said this out loud to is

1666
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 6: angry with me. I'm gonna get hate mail like I

1667
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:26,479
Speaker 6: did with you know, Taylor Swift and and out Burgers.

1668
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:29,240
Speaker 6: But I didn't love it nearly as much as the

1669
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 6: rest of the world did. But it's definitely worth seeing.

1670
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:33,240
Speaker 6: And Okay, I think it's supposed to be a bit

1671
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 6: more dramatic, and so I think I went in with

1672
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:38,639
Speaker 6: a different mindset. There's less of the fun musical things

1673
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:39,240
Speaker 6: that that were.

1674
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 5: First, I saw the wi the Wizard of Oz at

1675
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:42,799
Speaker 5: the sphere.

1676
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:44,720
Speaker 3: I want to do that so bad.

1677
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:49,080
Speaker 5: Oh my god, you guys. I okay, So there's like

1678
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:52,439
Speaker 5: many different scenes. We all grew up with wizards.

1679
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:52,760
Speaker 7: Yah.

1680
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, And my mom in particular, loved the Wizard of

1681
01:30:57,320 --> 01:30:57,759
Speaker 3: the Oz.

1682
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:00,960
Speaker 5: So I bought shiny I bought the cutest red cowboy

1683
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 5: boots you had ever seen, and they're sparkly. And I

1684
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:07,720
Speaker 5: got myself a cute red purse and I wore a

1685
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 5: black dress and I went and saw it and I

1686
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:12,559
Speaker 5: cried the entire time because it just made me emotional.

1687
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:16,559
Speaker 3: It's so good. Yeah, that's so good. Is it still there?

1688
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:17,800
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1689
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 5: But I didn't go this weekend, but I went recently

1690
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:24,240
Speaker 5: and it was it was an experience. I mean, there's

1691
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 5: like when the when the tornado comes, there's real wind,

1692
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 5: like you can feel the wind, and then they've got

1693
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:32,800
Speaker 5: like these leaves flying around and like hitting you in

1694
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:38,639
Speaker 5: the face. It's like an immersive experience. But I will

1695
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:41,679
Speaker 5: tell you, climbing up the stairs to my seat, because

1696
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:43,679
Speaker 5: I got the cheap seats, like all the way.

1697
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 3: Up top climbing, I got like a little Vertigo.

1698
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 5: In your little slippers in my red cowboard.

1699
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:54,559
Speaker 6: Walk with the red purse.

1700
01:31:55,479 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 3: So that's my Wizdory and given.

1701
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:00,760
Speaker 5: My little red purse and my coboy.

1702
01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:01,679
Speaker 3: It was fun.

1703
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:03,679
Speaker 5: It was If you're in Vegas and it is playing,

1704
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:06,960
Speaker 5: I definitely recommend it, like it is such a good

1705
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:10,360
Speaker 5: it's such a good show. And then I understand more

1706
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:13,800
Speaker 5: stuff is coming to I think no doubt is coming

1707
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 5: to them.

1708
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:17,720
Speaker 3: So excited. I'm definitely going to that.

1709
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:19,400
Speaker 6: She would sounds so good?

1710
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:20,679
Speaker 3: Doesn't it sound good?

1711
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:23,839
Speaker 6: Stephanie reminds me of Gwen Stefani sometimes she does.

1712
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:26,040
Speaker 3: A little bit you have. Stephanie's a little bit like

1713
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:32,040
Speaker 3: Michelle Pfeiffer a little bit so Chelsea Handler a little

1714
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 3: biased at heart, but I like, yeah, all three if

1715
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:38,000
Speaker 3: all three of them had a child, I think it

1716
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 3: just like you that would be and are going to eat?

1717
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:47,559
Speaker 3: I agree, I love are those two in love?

1718
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:51,280
Speaker 2: Like I feel like, hey, I have celebrated. But I

1719
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 2: thought she was with the red hair guy from Sponge with.

1720
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:55,360
Speaker 6: The red hair. I think they had they had some

1721
01:32:55,439 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 6: sort of odd term that they described we're non binary

1722
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:00,799
Speaker 6: something that like it was something cute, the being friends,

1723
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:01,439
Speaker 6: but oh.

1724
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:04,120
Speaker 3: Same sex, non lesbian, platonic partner.

1725
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:06,040
Speaker 6: Something of that nature. Yet that's the stubtle butt on

1726
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 6: the street.

1727
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:11,920
Speaker 2: But hashtag scuttle butt sounds like a hoodie. By the way,

1728
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 2: we have some sweatshirts coming on via iHeart. We're gonna

1729
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:20,800
Speaker 2: have some swag slash merch report. So maybe we'll have

1730
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 2: like a giveaway or something throughout the month for the holidays.

1731
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:28,479
Speaker 5: That's my that's the that's the hope. The best talkback

1732
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:30,280
Speaker 5: or something makes me love that.

1733
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:31,360
Speaker 6: I love it.

1734
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 3: By the way, if you're in Virginia, leave us a

1735
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:36,440
Speaker 3: talk back. Listen. Know what the weather is like daily.

1736
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:39,280
Speaker 2: So guys, we're gonna have a lot of All of

1737
01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:42,800
Speaker 2: these cases that we're covering tonight are ongoing all week,

1738
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 2: and listen, we know that there's a lot more developments

1739
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:45,839
Speaker 2: happening tomorrow.

1740
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:47,280
Speaker 3: I promise to report back.

1741
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:51,080
Speaker 2: If the ditty doc is worth a watch, please tune

1742
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:51,760
Speaker 2: in tomorrow.

1743
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:54,760
Speaker 3: It's Tuesday. Have a great one and we will be

1744
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:57,680
Speaker 3: with you tomorrow night. Stay safe By