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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, and welcome back to Unfiltered the JBL Podcast,

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Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio production in partnership with JBL. I am your host,

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Speaker 1: Benny Who it's me. Hello. This podcast is a place

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Speaker 1: to minimize the noise and tune into authentic and unfiltered

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Speaker 1: conversations about identity, art, self expression, and so much more.

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Speaker 1: How are you guys doing? Are you holding up? Okay?

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Speaker 1: I'm just really thinking about you all the time. And

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Speaker 1: you know what else, I've been thinking about fashion. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I have been dealing with a lot of expression in

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Speaker 1: my own life through my fashion. My fashion sense has

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Speaker 1: really changed in the last couple of years. I'm definitely

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Speaker 1: experimenting with a bunch of new looks, and so I

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Speaker 1: really wanted to spend today diving into the world of fashion, because,

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Speaker 1: after all, the way we dress is an extension of

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Speaker 1: how we can express ourselves. And so I am so

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Speaker 1: excited you guys to be joined by a seriously impressive

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Speaker 1: fashion designer. I can't believe it, the one and only

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Speaker 1: Matt Sarafa as the youngest designer to have ever shown

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Speaker 1: at New York, Paris and LA Fashion Week. Matt has

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Speaker 1: come such a long way since he started designing at

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Speaker 1: age seven. Such a baby. If you don't recognize him

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Speaker 1: from Project Runway Junior, you may have seen his celebrity

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Speaker 1: stylings for icons from Tyra Banks What to Doja Cat?

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Speaker 1: So crazy? This boy is so serious. I can't wait

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Speaker 1: to get into it. Come join us. I'm so happy

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Speaker 1: to have you here. I have so many questions for you.

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Speaker 1: You started designing when you were seven years old, which

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Speaker 1: is so crazy to me. I want to know what

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Speaker 1: got you interested in fashion and style, Like, what are

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Speaker 1: your favorite parts about it? Now that you're so many

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Speaker 1: years in and you're still just a baby, tell me

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Speaker 1: about how you got started.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like you said, I started getting into fashion at

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Speaker 2: seven years old. It was the craziest thing, and I

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Speaker 2: remember it so vividly. My mom was recovering from surgery

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Speaker 2: and I was sitting on the couch with her, flipping

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Speaker 2: through TV channels, and we stumbled across a marathon of

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Speaker 2: seen before, and I was just completely enthralled in it.

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Speaker 2: And I was just so perplexed how these designers could take,

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Speaker 2: on paper, and then bring it to life through textiles

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Speaker 2: and creation. And I was just so entranced by it

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Speaker 2: and it was so cool. And my mom still tells

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Speaker 2: me to the stage, She's like, you turned to me

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Speaker 2: and you said, Mom, I think I can do this.

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Speaker 2: And I ran down stairs got my little sketch book

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Speaker 2: and I was sketching out these elaborate designs, and literally

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Speaker 2: the rest is pretty much history.

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Speaker 1: Mat It's so stinky, it's so cute, it's really cute.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like a movie. Honestly, it's very crazy. And

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Speaker 2: I never would have thought that that TV watching experience

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Speaker 2: would have pretty much changed the trajectory of my entire life.

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Speaker 1: Well, and like, as you said, these people are taking

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Speaker 1: fabric and texture and it's expression, right, You're expressing a

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Speaker 1: part of yourself. It's a part of your personality, and

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Speaker 1: you're trying to take what is inside and put it

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Speaker 1: people don't know how to do. And obviously you have

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Speaker 1: a taste for it at seven years old, and then

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Speaker 1: you just grow into this incredible designer and you're working

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Speaker 1: in this fashion. How do you, personally, especially now, use

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Speaker 1: fashion as the extension of your personality? How does that

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Speaker 1: How does it change when you're expressing other people and

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Speaker 1: helping them get dressed?

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. I mean to me, fashion is such

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Speaker 2: a powerful tool, and it's so much more powerful than

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Speaker 2: people realize. You know, it's so much more than just

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Speaker 2: an outfit is like a suit of armor, and it

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Speaker 2: gives me the confidence to go about my day, put

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Speaker 2: myself out there. And you know, people see what you're

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Speaker 2: wearing when you first walk into the room, and it

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Speaker 1: It's the first thing people notice about you. I often

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and that's why it's so important. And the best

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Speaker 2: the baddest one when they step into the room, Like,

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Speaker 2: that's the best thing to me. So I love my job.

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Speaker 2: I love fashion so much, and I really I couldn't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, obviously I love fashion, and I think

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Speaker 1: being in music fashion has such a like obvious tie in,

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Speaker 1: Like do you do a lot of mood boarding? Are

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? So. I graduated from UCLA in twenty twenty and

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Speaker 2: I was a design media art major.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Graduated during the pandemic from my living room pandemic graduation,

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Speaker 2: and you know, I dressed up and had a full

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Speaker 2: to wait. But before UCLA, I was doing everything the

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Speaker 2: old fashiment, Like I had about a thousand sketch books

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Speaker 2: when I went to UCLA, I learned so much about

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Speaker 2: now I do everything digitally, usually on my iPad is

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Speaker 1: Like a pen and an iPad. I love watching people

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Speaker 1: It's where you're like one with the computer in a

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Speaker 1: It's just a different set of skills I think that's

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and it's just the opportunities are limitless.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So in your process, how as much as when

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Speaker 1: much does that play into your own sort of like

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Speaker 1: expression of yourself. Do you find yourself being like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: to make everybody else look fabulous? Or are you like

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Speaker 1: I am number one? You know you showed up in

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Speaker 1: this fabulous fur Henny, she said, I am here. I'm

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Speaker 1: making a statement. Are you very like particular about making

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Speaker 2: I'm never gonna let nobody outshine me. That's one thing

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Speaker 1: I felt like I knew that that was gonna be

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Speaker 2: I mean, fashion is so exciting and like the most

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Speaker 2: express myself. So I'm never gonna let that go. I'm

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Speaker 2: not gonna let none of my clients or none of

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Speaker 2: my customers look bad, but I'm not gonna let myself

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Speaker 2: look bad either. I can't forget about me. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: I love that for you, But at the end, of

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Speaker 2: not feeling my best and I can't be the best

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Speaker 1: If you are wise beyond your years, Matt, that's so

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Speaker 1: great that you already have this, if you can hold

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Speaker 1: on to that when the going is getting really wild, Like,

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Speaker 1: I really feel like that's a huge part of being

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Speaker 1: able to sustain. Like, that's really what you're trying to do,

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Speaker 1: is you're building an empire. It's so exciting. But I

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Speaker 1: want to go back even further before you were at

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Speaker 1: being able to compete on Project Runway Junior when you

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Speaker 1: were seventeen years old? Yes, Like, how intense was the competition?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I still say to this day it

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Speaker 2: Project Runways that really introduced me into the fashion world.

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Speaker 2: So getting to be a part of the Project Runway

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Speaker 2: blowing to me. It was so exciting, and I got

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Speaker 2: to meet so many other cool people because you know,

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Speaker 2: it's it's kind of like a niche industry. There's not

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Speaker 2: spend like literally the entire summer together, it forged lifelong

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Speaker 1: Community is really important in your world, right, And so like,

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Speaker 1: how do you feel connected to competition now a couple

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like hungry to set yourself upot and

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's more so the second one I would say

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Speaker 2: I am the competitive person by nature, but the person

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Speaker 2: that I'm most competitive with is myself. I just really

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Speaker 2: anyone squash that. But you know, my ultimate goal is

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Speaker 2: I just want to take my brand as far as

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Speaker 2: But I want to keep pushing myself to keep growing

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Speaker 2: and being better and getting bigger and just sharing, you know,

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Speaker 2: my perspective with the world and leaving my mark. That's

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Speaker 2: ultimately what I want to do. Yeah, when you know

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Speaker 2: my time is up here on earth, I want to

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Speaker 1: I love that. I definitely relate to that sentiment. Do

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Speaker 1: you have like goals speaking of sort of validating ourselves

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Speaker 1: in all the ways that we have succeeded instead of

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Speaker 1: focusing on all the ways that we haven't gotten to

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Speaker 1: I'm checking that goal off my list. Like, will you

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Speaker 1: share with me some of the things that you've done

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Speaker 1: so far that you're really proud of?

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Speaker 2: I want to know absolutely. I Mean, the biggest accomplishment

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Speaker 2: I think of my life that I still cannot believe

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Speaker 1: Literally could not agree more.

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Speaker 2: It's it's so stupid, and that's one thing that is

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Speaker 1: Just do it. You can do whatever you.

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Speaker 2: Want, whatever you set your mind to, you can do.

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Speaker 2: And I learned that I feel like a little bit

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Speaker 1: We are high vibration kinds of people.

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Speaker 2: Only GVO good vibes only.

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Speaker 1: Hello. That'll be my next tattoo. You have your week tattoo,

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Speaker 1: I'll get GVO across my fore I love right here

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Speaker 1: sponsored by JBL. Yeah exactly, Yeah, Okay. I want to

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Speaker 2: We share this Oh, we absolutely do.

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Speaker 1: Yes, speaking of this confidence, speaking of this self love

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Speaker 2: It has definitely been a journey. That's the understatement of

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Speaker 2: The easiest part for me is just letting out all

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to suffer now if I'm going to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not going to suffer twice. So what is

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Speaker 2: You beauty regimen the house down boots Mama, So I

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Speaker 2: and hip hops, Basketball Wives, all of that.

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Speaker 1: I love me some housewives. So if you're not watching housewives,

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Speaker 1: I'm putting my JBL headphones on to have a moment

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Speaker 1: to what do you listen? What's your vibe set for

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Speaker 2: That's a very good question. I am a very big

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Speaker 2: an icon, a legend, and she is the moment.

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Speaker 1: She is the moment. She'd be a good one. Low

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Speaker 1: Kim is a good one for your list, Giga re

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Speaker 1: Re Lil Kim Yues. Okay, I have one more question

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Speaker 1: for you, and we've sort of touched on this, but

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Speaker 1: inspire me, that are like paving their own way, and

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Speaker 1: you're really like doing something incredible. You are such a

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Speaker 1: mean that honestly, Like, you've come so far, You've been

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Speaker 1: through so much, You've learned so much. What do you

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Speaker 1: want to say to anybody who was listening now who

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Speaker 1: far away from myself, from the best version of myself,

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Speaker 1: and you seem like you're really living in it. Like

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Speaker 1: how do I do what you're doing?

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Speaker 2: That is such a good question, And the advice that

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Speaker 2: I always give is the best thing. It sounds cheesy,

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Speaker 2: but it's you just got to be your self and

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Speaker 2: never lose sight of who you really are. Surround yourself

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Speaker 2: with people that embrace that and aren't trying to fit

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Speaker 2: in or make you change things to you know, become

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Speaker 2: a different person, because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: our uniqueness and our charisma is what makes us different

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Speaker 2: and what sets us apart from the crowd. And if

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Speaker 2: everybody was the same, the world would be such a

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Speaker 2: boring place.

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Speaker 1: Agreed, Matt.

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Speaker 2: Just always lead with love, lead with positivity, and you

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Speaker 2: know things are never going to be It's never going

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Speaker 2: to be an easy road. But it's the highs and

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Speaker 2: the lows that really make us and shape us into

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Speaker 2: who we are as people. And it's not always about

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Speaker 2: you know, what goes right and what goes wrong, it's

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Speaker 2: that and try to turn it around for yourself. That's

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Speaker 2: what builds character.

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Speaker 1: In my book, Yeah, I love that. And also maybe

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Speaker 1: the thing that I thought as you were talking, just

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Speaker 1: to add is like, don't be afraid to also experiment,

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Speaker 1: like try parts on for yourself and go is this

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Speaker 1: me today? And if you hate it, then be like cool,

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Speaker 1: that's not me, and I've tried, and don't you don't

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Speaker 1: have to feel bad or shame about trying this thing, Like,

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Speaker 1: don't be afraid to find yourself as well. I think

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Speaker 1: it's easy for us to say because we're living out

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Speaker 1: loud and like being fabulous versions of ourselves. But it's

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Speaker 1: like it takes again, like you were saying being in

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Speaker 1: the closet, and you're like, the only person I'm fooling

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Speaker 1: is me baby, like in my air apostel polo. So

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Speaker 1: be kind to yourself along the way, maybe while you're

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Speaker 1: finding yourself. Well, Matt, I'm so grateful for your time,

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Speaker 1: and I'm so glad that we got to get into this.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we've like spotted trends, we've talked about celebs,

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Speaker 1: we've made playlists together, We've really done it all. So

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Speaker 1: I'm so grateful.

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Speaker 2: This was so much fun. I cannot thank you enough.

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Speaker 2: This just feels like a conversation with an old friend.

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Speaker 1: Well now we are old friends, Matt. Thank you so much, Matt,

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Speaker 1: obsessed with you, and let's do it again soon.

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Speaker 2: Any day, anytime, any place, Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank Matt again so much for chatting

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Speaker 1: with me. Today. I'm insanely impressed by his insight and success. Really,

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Speaker 1: there is nothing more fulfilling than getting to share your

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Speaker 1: creativity with others, and you can really tell he gets

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Speaker 1: to do what he loves every single day. I'm so

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Speaker 1: grateful for his time and for his beautiful energy, and

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Speaker 1: I am hopefully Guys, how long do we think it's

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Speaker 1: going to take for me to get into one of

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Speaker 1: those firms?

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Speaker 1: Matt serapa for original I'm on a waiting list. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure I'm going to email somebody, i'm'll text everybody. We're

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Speaker 1: going to get into it. That's it for today's episode,

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Speaker 1: but join me again next week as we talk about art,

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Speaker 1: and don't forget to join in on the conversation. I

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Speaker 1: want to hear from you and know what you think

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Speaker 1: of the podcast. Who do you think we should have

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Speaker 1: on the show? How have you been using your creativity?

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Speaker 1: rating and review for the podcast. Wherever you are listening,

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Speaker 1: Until next Time Unfiltered. The JBL podcast is produced by

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio in partnership with JBL. Our show is hosted by

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Speaker 1: me Betty Who. Our executive producer is Molly Sosha. Our

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Speaker 1: EP of Post Production is Matt Stillo. Our editor is

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Speaker 1: Sierra Spreen. This episode was written and produced by Sierra Kaiser.

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Speaker 1: Special thanks to our friends Harman Initiative and Donna