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Speaker 1: to Coast AM on iHeartRadio. Dorothy killed Gallen, who died

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Speaker 1: game show panelists. Of course you remember her, some of

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Speaker 1: you on What's My Line? Of course, and then she

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Speaker 1: had her own column featuring mostly show business news in Gossip,

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Speaker 1: but also she ventured into other topics such as politics,

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Speaker 1: organized crime, writing about the JFK assassination as well, and

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Speaker 1: combination overdose. Mark Shaw was back with me several months

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Speaker 1: ago with his book The Reporter Who Knew Too Much?

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Speaker 1: The mysterious death of What's My Line? TV star and

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Speaker 1: media icon Dorothy killed Gallen. He's a former criminal defense attorney,

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Speaker 1: legal analyst for CNN, USA Today, ESPN and for the

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Speaker 1: has looked at all of that. He is an investigative reporter,

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Speaker 1: author of more books than just the one I mentioned. Well,

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Speaker 1: come back, Mark, It's good to have you back. Hey, George,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much my pleasure. Now do you have

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Speaker 1: a little update for us? I understand, well, I do.

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Speaker 1: I had no idea this book would become it's popular.

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Speaker 1: I heard from. But it's in its fifth printing, beautiful,

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Speaker 1: the other day there. But I've heard from people all

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Speaker 1: But one of the great things that's come from that

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Speaker 1: evidence that we've uncovered as I continue to investigate Dorothy's death.

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Speaker 1: And this death is an unbelievable story. Let's go back

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Speaker 1: a little bit if we can. Mark for people who

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Speaker 1: are unfamiliar with Dorothy kilcall and of course she died

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Speaker 1: they weren't even born. Then tell us about her, right, Well,

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Speaker 1: this is really all about victim's rights, is what it's about.

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Speaker 1: Because you know, Dorothy was amazing. New York Post called

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Speaker 1: her the most powerful female voice in America. Hemingway called

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Speaker 1: she was a remarkable woman. Talk about breaking the glass

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Speaker 1: ceiling before we even knew what that term meant. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, Dorothy at the Star on What's My Line?

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