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Speaker 2: Am, and I'm Carol Marco, I'm Mary Catherine.

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Speaker 1: How's it going. It's going all right. We're still working

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Speaker 1: on potty training. But I saw that you had like

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Speaker 1: So it's a hard thing to teach. We are doing

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, we meant to do it starting the Floridian

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Speaker 2: That was my husband. My husband in Italy when we

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Speaker 1: No. I bet I drove a sixty eight Volkswagen Bug.

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Speaker 2: It really does. The origin story here makes a lot

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Speaker 1: That's alrighty, shall we get to the news.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it. So, you know, we haven't really talked

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Speaker 2: And the first time that you and I were like,

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Speaker 2: Earlier today, AP reported that Canada will announce more than

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because that horizon is long. Even though there are

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Speaker 3: Finally we have some good news on the economy and

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Speaker 4: That inflation was perhaps reaccelerating, because this actually breaks a

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Speaker 3: Right, it was going higher and higher. Finally we're seeing

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Speaker 2: So the Trump Rapid Response team shared that on x

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Speaker 2: He said that the business community quote understands Trump's intentions

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Speaker 1: Well, and that's one of the things I think. Josh

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Speaker 2: you know, pull up your mask, pull up your mask,

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Speaker 2: and he'd be like, it doesn't work anyway. And it

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Speaker 2: was just but at the same time, old people like

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Speaker 2: you know, you say, old people, young people. It was

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Speaker 2: a major difference in COVID, you know, poor outcomes. Old

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Speaker 2: people in New York were dining inside at restaurants full on,

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Speaker 2: masks off, and everything was fine. It just none of

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Speaker 2: it made any sense. And that is what I had

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Speaker 2: to get my kids away from. I kept thinking that

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Speaker 2: I can't have them living in this crazy place doing

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Speaker 2: these crazy things that we all know in Jack and

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Speaker 2: you were of twenty twenty two don't work.

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Speaker 1: We were also in a crazy place because we're in

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Speaker 1: northern Virginia. But we had a sort of a crew

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Speaker 1: of people who were doctors, nurses, law enforcement, or military

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Speaker 1: and they just had to work. We all they were

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Speaker 1: all working, and so all of our houses were to

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Speaker 1: some extent exposed, and.

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Speaker 2: We were all dirty.

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Speaker 1: Pretty as were dirty. We were all pretty comfortable with

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Speaker 1: the idea that we were exposed and that that was

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Speaker 1: just how life worked. And so we would hang out

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Speaker 1: together and you know, be icky together.

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Speaker 2: Right right where people like looking at us like you guys,

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Speaker 2: are you know you're just too loose, noting around too much?

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Speaker 1: It was wild. At one point in twenty twenty, I

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Speaker 1: offered to have kids at my home who had essential

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Speaker 1: worker parents who couldn't have child care for them. And

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Speaker 1: I was like, look, we're not a pod like we're exposed,

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Speaker 1: but if you have kids that you need care for,

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Speaker 1: please don't shame me. But I'm offering my home as

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Speaker 1: a place that they could do zoom class I can supervise.

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Speaker 1: Just putting that Facebook post up was so scary because

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Speaker 1: I knew someone was going to jump in the worse

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Speaker 1: and say, how dare you do this to your neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: You're going to kill somebody's grandma. By the way, our

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Speaker 1: grandparents and our family were like, oh, we will be

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Speaker 1: seeing the children.

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Speaker 2: My mom like three weeks in. It was like, this

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Speaker 2: is the longest six months of my life.

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Speaker 3: We did.

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Speaker 2: I think we waited like a moteless away anymore, you know.

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Speaker 1: I think we made it. We waited like a month

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Speaker 1: and a half. And then I was like, maybe we

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Speaker 1: should do outdoors because I was more worried about them. Sure, yes,

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Speaker 1: and the grandparent parents and our family luckily all quite healthy.

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Speaker 1: We're like, nah, I'm just gonna hang out because we're family,

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Speaker 1: and we did it and everybody was fine, right, but

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Speaker 1: you know, I just to wrap this up.

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Speaker 2: It's five years. We obviously are over a lot of it,

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Speaker 2: not over some other stuff, but we did have a

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Speaker 2: lot of negativity thrown at us, and we were right.

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Speaker 2: You know, I got threats. I'm sure you did.

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Speaker 4: Two.

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Speaker 2: In November of twenty twenty, I wrote spend Thanksgiving with

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Speaker 2: your family, and that got me an avalanche of abuse

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Speaker 2: on the internets. Yes, of course, all the people who

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Speaker 2: told us not to spend Thanksgiving with our families, like

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Speaker 2: my then governor now possible New York City mayor candidate

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Speaker 2: Andrew Pomo. He was planning to spend it with his family.

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Speaker 2: So while we were supposed to not see our families

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Speaker 2: on Thanksgiving, the people in charge were totally doing whatever

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Speaker 2: they wanted.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Burks did the same thing, Yeah, Gavin Newsome.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they all just did whatever they wanted, and

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Speaker 2: we took a lot of abuse for it, and I

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Speaker 2: definitely feel like we came out stronger on the other side.

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Speaker 2: But I'm not quite forgiven that yet, not that anybody's

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Speaker 2: asked for that. Forgiveness.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that's not top of their minds. Well,

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Speaker 1: there is one sort of consequence that is rearing its

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Speaker 1: head this week, which we will close out with. Just

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Speaker 1: for the stats for you guys, half of the Department

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Speaker 1: of Education, Federal Department of Education is now laid off.

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Speaker 1: They were told to leave by six pm from their

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Speaker 1: headquarters yesterday in Washington, although I hope they sent that

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Speaker 1: email out before too, because ain't nobody was at the

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Speaker 1: Department of Education at six pm. You got to catch them, Merlin. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thirteen hundred people laid off. There will be rending of garments,

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Speaker 1: there will be screaming from Randy Winegarden. These people didn't

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Speaker 1: care about disruptions in education, not at all. They only

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Speaker 1: care about a disruption in the racket of the pass

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Speaker 1: through of bureaucratic funds that go straight to their pockets

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Speaker 1: and not largely to education. So when people complain about this,

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Speaker 1: I will be checking to see if they complained about

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Speaker 1: the eighteen months that every child in every public school

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Speaker 1: in every major metro area was out of school. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because this is the consequence of losing public trust and

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Speaker 1: not doing your job.

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Speaker 2: That's right. This is the fo to the fa yep,

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Speaker 2: I didn't give up cursing for lent. I could have

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Speaker 2: just said it, but I'm with you in solidarity.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. That's very good.

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