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Speaker 2: Hey, hey va, fam I am here with a very

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Speaker 2: pleasure to get to know my guest today as a mother,

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Speaker 2: I just want to say, welcome to Gabrielle Gambrille. She

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Speaker 2: is the SVP and chief Communications or chief Marketing Officer,

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Speaker 3: So Gabrielle, welcome to Brown Ambition.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. It's so good to be

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Speaker 1: a hash author. So I'm really excited for your book

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like sometimes when you get match made,

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Speaker 2: Yes, I knew from school Chris and I. We both

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Speaker 3: Is that right? Did you go to No?

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Speaker 1: No, you know him from in ABJ.

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Speaker 2: He's so kind. I mean, that's how great he is.

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Speaker 2: Like I didn't even go to school with him, but

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Speaker 1: Didn't work out likewise. I'm honored to be your friend,

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Speaker 2: You are so yeah, you're just incredibly well rounded as

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Speaker 1: He's actually from Westchester. He's from New Rochelle, which named

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Speaker 1: gil gil Schwartz. Yeah. So a job was created for me,

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Speaker 1: and that's how I finally got my pivot into CBS

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Speaker 1: PR team. And I was there for seven years. And

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Speaker 1: then during that time, like just being able to take

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Speaker 1: advantage of opportunities, there was a lot of conversation about diversity,

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Speaker 1: equity and inclusion. And Gil called me in his office

439
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Speaker 1: one day. I said, Gabby, you're black. I said yes.

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Speaker 1: He said, people keep asking about diversity and stuff. You

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Speaker 1: care about that, right? I said, yes, Skill, I care

442
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Speaker 1: very much. He said, come up with a DEI comm

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Speaker 1: strategy and figure it out. Give us some press talk

444
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Speaker 1: about how we care about diversity and talk about our

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Speaker 1: diverse staff and our diverse talent. And I was like, okay,

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Speaker 1: So I did that. Led Diversity Communications came up with

447
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Speaker 1: a DEI plan, got a ton of PR hits for

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Speaker 1: the Chief Diversity Officer who's now by mentor year retired.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so we need to be talking. We must

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Speaker 1: be talking. Two thousand and nine, twenty ten. That's right,

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Speaker 1: a long time ago. And then that caught the eye.

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Speaker 2: Of a Comcast as the same age because.

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Speaker 1: Because I graduated college so early, we're the same age.

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Speaker 1: I'm only like a month older than.

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Speaker 2: You, I know, but like how but I was like

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Speaker 2: figuring my shit out in two thousand and nine, trying

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Speaker 2: to get a job after college.

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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, you're just like in the c suite, you know,

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Speaker 3: chatting with the head comms for CBS. Okay, Gabriel, I tried.

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Speaker 1: I tried, and it worked out, and so Comcasts ABC said, hey,

462
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Speaker 1: we need some diversity help. Can you come over and

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Speaker 1: lead our diversity comms? So then I left went right

464
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Speaker 1: there to thirty Rock.

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Speaker 3: New So you quit, yep, yep, I quit? Okay, how

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Speaker 3: did that go?

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Speaker 1: It was interesting because I went to my boss at

468
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Speaker 1: the time and I said, hey, NBC reached out to me.

469
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Speaker 1: They slid in my DMS on LinkedIn, and they have

470
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Speaker 1: an opportunity to be a Director of Diversity Communications dual

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Speaker 1: reporting to their chief of Comms and their chief diversity officer.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's a great opportunity. I've worked at

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Speaker 1: Disney ABC, I've worked at CBS, and now I can

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Speaker 1: work at NBC. And I was like twenty six years

475
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Speaker 1: old at the time. And my boss said, don't do it.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna like it over there. Stay here. What

477
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Speaker 1: do we need to do to make you stay? And

478
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Speaker 1: I said, I don't even think. I think it's more

479
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Speaker 1: about the opportunity to do something different. I've been here

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Speaker 1: for seven years, and I think I just want to

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Speaker 1: do something different. And he said, listen, one day, you

482
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Speaker 1: will have my job. Just stay here. It's gonna take

483
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Speaker 1: you twenty years. We'll have my job one day. And

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Speaker 1: I was young. I was like, I don would to

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Speaker 1: wait twenty years, Like I just would have That's not

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Speaker 1: what I've tried to do. And so we kept in contact.

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Speaker 1: I left. I went over to MBC, which is how

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Speaker 1: I know Chris Nelson. Christopher Nelson worked at NBC with me,

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Speaker 1: so that's how we met, and then I was there

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Speaker 1: for three years. I did some other things after that.

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Speaker 1: After that, I went to IPG FCB Global, which is

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Speaker 1: a marketing advertising agency. I reported into the Chief of

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Speaker 1: comm Chief marketing officer. It was amazing. I was twenty seven,

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Speaker 1: twenty eight thirty by the time I got there, and

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Speaker 1: I was traveling the world, going to Nice, I'm going

496
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Speaker 1: to can France, I'm going to can Lions Festival, Creativity,

497
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Speaker 1: direct reports around the world, after direct reports in Mumbai

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Speaker 1: and Johannesburg, South Africa. It was amazing. And then after

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Speaker 1: I left FCB, a recruiter slid in my DMS on

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Speaker 1: LinkedIn again and said, hey, I have an opportunity. I

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Speaker 1: know you're a professor and I have an academic opportunity.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, I'm good. I'm traveling the

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Speaker 1: world like I'm not trying to leave. Actually be I'm

504
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Speaker 1: super happy. Have a great boss, have a great team.

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Speaker 1: And she said, listen, just give me five minutes. And

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Speaker 1: so I know your success is often dependent upon your boss.

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Speaker 1: I chatted with her for five minutes and she said, hey,

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Speaker 1: there's a very young, dynamic, powerful president of Barnard College.

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Speaker 1: She's looking for someone with media expertise because she wants

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Speaker 1: a publicist. She has a book, she wants the book pitched.

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Speaker 1: She wants to totally revamp how Barnard College Columbia University

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Speaker 1: is spoken about. And this is the salary for the role.

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Speaker 1: And it was a nice salary. It was a really

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Speaker 1: like parage salary who knew. So in my head I

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Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay, I'm engaged by this time. To

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Speaker 1: my now husband, I'm engaged a nice coin. I thought

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Speaker 1: Higher Ed like relaxing nonprofit. So I took the role,

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Speaker 1: and to my surprise, Higher Ed is a lot of

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Speaker 1: crisis comes SHS management.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think in this day and age, not so

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Speaker 2: much of a surprise.

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Speaker 1: Not so much of a surprise now. But in my head,

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Speaker 1: I thought, I'm dealing with entertainment, I'm dealing with actors,

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Speaker 1: I'm dealing with talent. I thought that was going to

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Speaker 1: be a walk in the park and it wasn't. So

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Speaker 1: I was there for a few years and then I

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Speaker 1: left George Floyd happened. My phone was ringing off the

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Speaker 1: hook because I have that DEI expertise that I did

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Speaker 1: at CBS, that I did at NBC. I actually made

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Speaker 1: the most I've ever made consulting, which is pretty amazing.

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Speaker 1: And then Amazon said, hey, what you're doing for all

532
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Speaker 1: this stuff and comms around George Floyd and Black Lives

533
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Speaker 1: Matter and stop Asian hate, come over to Amazon. And

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Speaker 1: so then I was at Amazon for three years and

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Speaker 1: then I'm now at Hashet, where I'm super duper duper happy.

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Speaker 1: Like you said, it's one of the world's largest book publishers.

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Speaker 1: We also have games and gifts and stationery and really

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Speaker 1: cool things like knock knock products. And it's been amazing.

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Speaker 1: I've been here nine months chief of Comms, working really

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Speaker 1: closely with our chief marketing officer, leading all branding for

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Speaker 1: the company, all social media, crisis comms issues management, public relations,

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Speaker 1: media relations, executive comms events. So it's been fantastic. I'm

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Speaker 1: super duper happy.

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Speaker 3: That didn't take twenty years.

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Speaker 1: No, it didn't. It did not take twenty years. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it did not take twenty years.

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Speaker 3: Well, I want to take a breath for a second.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot.

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Speaker 2: And at some point through there, I met you when

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Speaker 2: you were on Amazon. You don't have kids, you got married,

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Speaker 2: you bought a house. Yeah what what.

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Speaker 3: When do you relax? How do you relax? That's a lot.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot. It's a lot in your culture. And

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Speaker 1: I'm teaching still. So I brought my house at twenty

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Speaker 1: six years old. So I brought my house ten years

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Speaker 1: ago in Westchester, seven bedroom house, total fixer upper. You've

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Speaker 1: been to my house, so every year we've done a

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Speaker 1: project to try to step the game up. And honestly,

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Speaker 1: me buying my house wasn't me at twenty six and

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Speaker 1: I want to be a homeowner. It was my parents saying,

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Speaker 1: how much are you paying in New York City rent?

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Speaker 1: Why are you doing that? Like you're losing out on equity,

563
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Speaker 1: that's a waste of money. You need to buy a house.

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Speaker 1: My father, by the time it was twenty one, he

565
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Speaker 1: owned two homes, which is really interesting. And so my

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Speaker 1: dad's like, I was your age, I already owned two houses,

567
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Speaker 1: like you're behind, and I'm like, sir. So he helped me.

568
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Speaker 1: My dad, who's worked in real estate his whole career,

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Speaker 1: helped me come up with a strategy on how to

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Speaker 1: afford a house, how to come up with a down

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Speaker 1: payment because I didn't think I had enough, and he's like,

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Speaker 1: first time home owner, faha, you only have to put

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Speaker 1: a certain percentage down yep, yep, which is nothing compared

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Speaker 1: to typically people are coming up with twenty percent and

575
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Speaker 1: what have you. So he helped me with that, He

576
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Speaker 1: gave me the loan, He helped me with the entire process.

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Speaker 1: He actually flew into town and while I was working

578
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Speaker 1: and teaching he was looking at houses, he connected with

579
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Speaker 1: realatures and he's like, I got a house for you.

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Speaker 1: It's in a great area. My plans is fantastic. They'll

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Speaker 1: be great for when you get married. At the time,

582
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Speaker 1: I was only dating my husband, So it'll be great

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Speaker 1: for when you and Jeff finally get married and give

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Speaker 1: me some grandchildren. And so that. My parents did tremendously

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Speaker 1: help with the home buying process. And my dad was

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Speaker 1: integral to that because I wasn't thinking at twenty six

587
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Speaker 1: that I need to buy a home right now, but

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Speaker 1: with his help, I did. Yeah, and I'm grateful because

589
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Speaker 1: the going I got my house for more than less

590
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Speaker 1: than half rather of what is going for right now.

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Speaker 1: So it was a good thing.

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Speaker 3: They got them cute interest rates. Yeah, let's take a

593
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Speaker 3: moment to be smug about it. But at least you

594
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Speaker 3: got really good interest ranging.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, still though, Yeah, you are someone who does

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Speaker 2: everything at a high level, and I want you to

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Speaker 2: talk about how you also incorporate fun and leisure and

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Speaker 2: luxury into your life, because I'm over here trying to

599
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Speaker 2: get to that level too, where it's like, oh, I

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Speaker 2: go on vacations like every month, every other month, like

601
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Speaker 2: we're doing a big trip like whatever. So how how

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Speaker 2: as you have been so aggressive? I mean, I don't

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Speaker 2: want to use that word in like a negative sense,

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Speaker 2: but so yeah, so driven in your career, did you

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Speaker 2: ever reach a point of burnout.

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Speaker 3: Or or how do you avoid that?

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Speaker 1: That's a great question. So I kind of justify I

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Speaker 1: am on a plane at least once a month. So

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Speaker 1: I'm very grateful to be on a plane once a month.

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Speaker 1: My birthday, I always go somewhere. On my birthday or

611
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Speaker 1: wedding anniversary, we are always on a flight. My husband's birthday,

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Speaker 1: We're always on a plane. And so I justify that

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Speaker 1: luxury because I work really hard. So it's kind of

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Speaker 1: like I'm teaching at Columbia, I'm teaching NYU. I have

615
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Speaker 1: a full time job that I love, but it's very demanding.

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Speaker 1: I'm a senior executive, I'm in the C suite, and

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Speaker 1: so for me, inserting those moments of luxury is non negotiable.

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Speaker 1: What's non negotiable is my me time. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: go to the Spa. I'm gonna go to the spa

620
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Speaker 1: once a month for a long time. I have jail

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Speaker 1: nails right now. But for a long time I had

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Speaker 1: a regular manicure because it meant that every single week

623
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Speaker 1: I had to get my nails done because the regular

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Speaker 1: manicure for me only last a week, and so it

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Speaker 1: was kind of like my getaway. So I am beyond

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Speaker 1: intentional about experiences. I'm intentional about breaks, mental breaks for

627
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Speaker 1: mental health, that fun leisure, and I'm unapologetic about that

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Speaker 1: because I work so hard I deserve it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I also want to show my children the world. Both

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Speaker 1: of my children were on a plane before they were

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Speaker 1: one month old, and so they know the richness and

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Speaker 1: the benefit of travel. They know the benefit of seeing

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Speaker 1: the world, and all those things are appointed to me.

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Speaker 2: Ooh, y'all, I hope that y'all have been stacking up

635
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Speaker 2: these gems that Gabrielle Gambrell has been sharing with us.

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Speaker 3: But we're gonna take a quick break.

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Speaker 2: We're going to pay some bills and be right back

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Speaker 2: to hear more about her incredible career story and how

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Speaker 2: she has become my shero.

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Speaker 3: I mean talk about the.

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Speaker 2: Mental health breaks, like, yeah, what does that look like

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Speaker 2: for you?

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Speaker 3: And when do you know?

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Speaker 2: Because I'm always it's like, I'm glad that we have

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Speaker 2: that phrase on mental health break. But it's also about

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Speaker 2: being so in tune with yourself that you know it's coming,

647
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: like not getting to that point of like such distress

648
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: that it's like, oh, it's an emergency, I need to

649
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: like cancel everything and check out whatever. Is that how

650
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: it shown has had those breaks come like pre planned?

651
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: Do you have the sense of when you're gonna need

652
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: one and then what does that actually look like for you?

653
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: So for me, I always have something on the calendar.

654
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm on a plane at least once

655
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: a month, and so I always.

656
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 3: For pleasure for work.

657
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: Between the two. But even if I'm traveling for work,

658
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: I will find pleasure. So I will find I'm going

659
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: to go to the SPA. I'm gonna find like something

660
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: fun to do in that city. I'm going to go

661
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: for myself to check out a museum or look up

662
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: the best restaurants in that city. So and that's a

663
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: that's a luxury. I'm very grateful for that that I've

664
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: had roles for the book of my career that do

665
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: require travel or I'm going to go to this conference,

666
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to NABJ. I go to NABJ

667
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: every single year for professional development. But I also go

668
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: to have a good time. I'm not missing that party

669
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: Friday night for n.

670
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: It's always come on, let's go. It's always on my

671
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 2: birthday weekend. Okay, I don't want on my birthday.

672
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: It is.

673
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 3: It is.

674
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm going we should talk about that offline.

675
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll talk about that.

676
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So I I just always have it. And

677
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: I started that pretty early in my career, once I

678
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: could afford it. I was like, Okay, I'm going to

679
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: do this, and it's always like something to look forward

680
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: to and it's it's on my calendar.

681
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a I think we really connect on the

682
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: the way that we strategically make pivot decisions like Okay,

683
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: this is the right opportunity. I'm going to quit and

684
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: take this new opportunity. I'm going to go in that direction.

685
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: I'm going to try out the higher education. Okay, not

686
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: loving this, I'm going to pivot and go. You had

687
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 2: like your own business you still do, you know, have

688
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: your own consulting branding PR.

689
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: What is a gift of.

690
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: Gabrielle Is it is Gabrielle. That's it.

691
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 2: I love the alliteration. Mandy Money Mandy money makers gift of.

692
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it's all about that.

693
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's about the brand recognition. So talk a little

694
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 2: bit about was there ever a point when you were

695
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: making all these like job hops where someone questioned you

696
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: about it? I do get that question a lot, because

697
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: I love telling women to quit and pick a new opportunity.

698
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: But it's always like, well, won't that look bad? And

699
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 2: won't people like yeah, frown upon that or whatnot? But

700
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: it serves you so well. So did you ever encounter

701
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: any like friction from all.

702
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: The time, all the time, all the time. So people

703
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: have said family, friends, loved ones, those in the industry

704
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: whom I respect, Listen, you can't do this, or once

705
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: you go to hire it, you'll never be able to

706
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: make it back to media, because why would I hire

707
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: someone that's working at Columbia University full time or working

708
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: at Barnard College full time When I can hire someone

709
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: from Fox, When I can hire someone with CBS, their

710
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: resume is going to be more attractive than yours. But

711
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: my response was, I'm going to be the chief communications officer,

712
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to be the chief marketing officer in this role,

713
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: and so I intentionally found moments to still do entertainment.

714
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: So even though I was working at Barnard, Viola Davis

715
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: was our commencement speaker. I worked with Viola Davis and

716
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: her team and that was the biggest moment in one

717
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: of the biggest moments of twenty nineteen on Google. Like,

718
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: I always try to find ways to incorporate my passion,

719
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: which is media and entertainment. So I guess what kind

720
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: of helps me is that I'm overly confident I will

721
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: figure it out. I've done that for the majority of

722
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: my life. I went into college thinking I wanted to

723
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: be an on air reporter and a journalist. I thought

724
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: then I was going to be a TV producer. That

725
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,479
Speaker 1: didn't work out because I couldn't live off of minimum

726
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: wage in New York City. Then okay, I'm you know,

727
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: so I always kind of made a pivot, and I'm

728
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: grateful for that. But I know that that is hard

729
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: if you don't have that confidence and that people can

730
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: be in your ear. And though people have always been

731
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: in my ear and given their opinion, their industry expertise,

732
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: their love as a friend, I typically do what I

733
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: want to do, and I'm grateful for having that discernment

734
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: and that courage because it does take courage.

735
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 2: It's courage, but even more so it's self trust. Yeah,

736
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: I think that's something that we have in common. It's

737
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: one of the hardest things as a coach that I

738
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: struggle sometimes. I'm like, how do I teach this? And

739
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 2: the only way to teach it, in my experience, is

740
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 2: to test yourself and you have to do something that

741
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 2: your gut tells you to do, see how that works out,

742
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 2: and like incrementally build that trust, you know, and that

743
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: can look like for me early in my career, it

744
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 2: was graduating into the Great Recession in journalism no less

745
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: with like a print degree.

746
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 3: I think it's like, you.

747
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 2: Know, it should have been illegal to have me graduate

748
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 2: with like a print magazine degree in two thousand and nine.

749
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: But I was lucky enough to get a job because

750
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 2: I had interned and worked my ass off during college.

751
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 2: So I actually had a job, and my gut was like,

752
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: take a break, go travel, Like yeah. I ended up

753
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: doing an unpaid internship in Chile and and moving abroad

754
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 2: and it all was fine. I just and my remember

755
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: my little brother who's like very business avvy, very like

756
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: you know, he's like, this is dumb.

757
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 3: Why are you doing this?

758
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 2: But it's just it's just like follow your gut and

759
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 2: it is a muscle, and I just feel like it's

760
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 2: something that could freeze so many women up more to

761
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: take these like risks in their career if they just

762
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 2: shut out the noise, learned how to shut out the noise,

763
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: tune it out without letting them know, because we had

764
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: to keep those relationships, you know, yeah, help y, Yeah,

765
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: but tune it out and do what you want to do.

766
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, to respectfully disagree with someone, or sometimes like

767
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: I don't even respond to people who I just oh, okay,

768
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Thank you for that thought, thank you, thank

769
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: you for that. Okay. Meanwhile, I'm not taking into consideration

770
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 1: anything that they're saying.

771
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 3: Oh I gotta I gotta pick that one up.

772
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting. I actually was talking to somebody about

773
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: that recently. My neighbor now friend. Our sons play on

774
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: the same football team, and she is a pediatric nurse practitioner,

775
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: and so she told me she was studying in college,

776
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: and she told she was undeclared, so she didn't have

777
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: a major right away. So she went to the counselor

778
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: and said, I want to be a nurse. I want

779
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: to work with children, and they said, listen, you're not

780
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: good at math, your science grades aren't that great. You

781
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: should just do something else. Nursing is not going to

782
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: be for you. And she literally dropped out of college

783
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: because she thought, Wow, I need to figure out, like

784
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: what it is I want to do. This college counselor,

785
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: who talks to people about the careers every day, told

786
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: me I shouldn't major in nursing and I wouldn't be successful.

787
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: She dropped out of college and now she is a

788
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: nurse practitioner, a pediatric nurse practitioner. She works at Columbia Medical,

789
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: and so it was somewhat of a pivot to get

790
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: back to where she always wanted to be. But sometimes

791
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 1: it's also those things listening in for me in high school,

792
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: I come from humble beginnings, I told the college counselor.

793
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: It was interesting. In high school, we had a guidance

794
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: counselor who I loved. I loved my guidance counselor. We

795
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: had a great relationship. And then we had a college

796
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: counselor who I never met before in my life, but

797
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: she was the one that had to do my college letters.

798
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: Of recommendation, and I said, I want to go to

799
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: college in New York. I'm applying to Syracuse, I'm applying

800
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: to YU, all these schools. And she said, Honey, you

801
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 1: can't afford to go to New York. And I said,

802
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: what she said, New York is one of the most

803
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: expensive places in the world. Why don't you go to

804
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: a cal state or a state university in California. It'll

805
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: be free. You do not want to go to college

806
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: in New York because you can't afford it, and haven

807
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: forbid something happens. Your family does have money to give

808
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: to you. That's just not for you. And I looked

809
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: like I was horrified because this woman who I just

810
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: met for a few minutes, talked to for a few minutes,

811
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: told her my dreams and aspirations. She's the one that

812
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: has to write my letters of wreck. And I'm replying

813
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: to all these colleges in New York, Saint John's University,

814
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: I applied to like every college in New York. So

815
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: I was horrified, but then I was kind of like, please,

816
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: you know, so I still applied to all these schools.

817
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: I got into every college except YU, which is my

818
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: dream school. And then full circle in YU calls me

819
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: one day it says, we want you to be a

820
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: faculty professor, and I'm like.

821
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 3: That's oh. I love a full circle moment.

822
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: Yes, I love a full circle moment, but that could

823
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: have been a huge pivotal like all right, well, I

824
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: guess New York is out the window because I don't

825
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: have money. When no, I still came to New York. Somehow,

826
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: my dad paid for my flight here. He said, good luck,

827
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 1: get a job right away. I got three jobs right away,

828
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: and I've been able to say myself, I did I did?

829
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: I have those loans and if I still have loans,

830
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: but if it wasn't for me taking loans, I wouldn't

831
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: be able to live in one of the greatest cities,

832
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: which I love, and all these other things. So what's

833
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 1: for you is for you, period, period.

834
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 2: And I honestly, I don't think that counselor was wrong

835
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: to give that kind of warning. I think a lot

836
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 2: of people do need that warning. I think that it's

837
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: just like in the message delivery. And I think because

838
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: she didn't know you, that's what that was. That's what

839
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 2: become a little bit dangerous, because I think anyone who

840
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: knew you would be like, oh, but god, if anyone's

841
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 2: going to do it, Gabrielle's going to do it, and

842
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: she ries, you know, because clearly you did, and thank

843
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: god you had that confidence in yourself. But there's probably

844
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: some people who wouldn't. You know, if you don't have

845
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: that drive and that ambition and the like the merciless

846
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 2: will to make shit happen for yourself, maybe you don't

847
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 2: want to go across country and take it all is debt,

848
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: you know that, and then be kind of lost and

849
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 2: floundering and not have a way. But I'm worried about you,

850
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 2: that's the point at all. You and I have talked

851
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 2: about personal finances quite a bit, and you're very transparent

852
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: about it. But you're also extremely like savvy financially and frugal.

853
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: I mean like not frugal because you know, like, first

854
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: of all, look at you, like you know how to

855
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: it's been on yourself, right, yes, but you are like

856
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 2: you're very you know what you need to feel financially secure,

857
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: And can you talk about that for a minute. At

858
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 2: what point through building your career did you start learning

859
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: about or wanting to like invest, you know, start saving,

860
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 2: figure out how much to set aside, and how had

861
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: that evolved over the years.

862
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest. One of the ways I made

863
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: it in New York City is that when I was

864
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: thirteen years old, my dad said, listen, you need a

865
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 1: credit card. I need to explain to you the power

866
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: of a credit score. I got my first credit card

867
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: at thirteen.

868
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 3: Is that Is that a thing? And I don't think

869
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 3: it's a feeling on his account?

870
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no. We lied about the year I

871
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: was born, I'll be honest. So I just made myself eighteen.

872
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: So I just upped it some years and I got

873
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: like two hundred dollars limit, right, And so my dad

874
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: told me, everything, use it more, pay it off, but

875
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: give me the money at thirteen to pay it off.

876
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 1: Then I started working. By the time I was fourteen fifteen,

877
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: I started formally working, so I would pay it off myself.

878
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: And so all that to say, I've been able to

879
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 1: do a lot of things having a really high credit score.

880
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: I checked my credit probably three times a day, which

881
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: is absolutely positively leave to us. Absolutely absolutely. I get

882
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: every alert, absolutely. And so when I brought my house,

883
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: my all my free time, and I brought my house

884
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: my credit score is like a eight thirty five and

885
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: it now doesn't typically go under an eight forty. So

886
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: I have the pristine, perfect highest you could have as

887
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: a eight fifty. And so that allowed me to generate

888
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: a lot of currency, and having a really high credit score,

889
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: it helped me to get an apartment. Like I was

890
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: in a huge high earner, but they looked at my

891
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: credit score and they're like, oh, we can put her

892
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: into this nice apartment in New York City. So that

893
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: was the first thing. And I've been afforded a lot

894
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: of great low interest rates, a lot of great things

895
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: by having phenomenal credit and being really into credit. And

896
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: so I will when my children are in high school age,

897
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: I'll do the same. I won't lie about the year,

898
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: but I'll add them to my credits so that they

899
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: can build credit and by the time they go to college,

900
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: hopefully they are responsible and take advantage of having a

901
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: good credit score. Something else is that my parents max

902
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: out your frown K soon as you start working in corporate.

903
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: So when I got over to CBS, contribute the most

904
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: you can and look at your four o one K

905
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: sporadically when you need to buy a house, can we

906
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: just get something from your four one K, you'd be

907
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 1: so surprised how much money you have in there.

908
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 3: When I was at so, is that how you came

909
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 3: up with your down payment?

910
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Positively that is?

911
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 3: And I was really, did you have to pay? So?

912
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: Then with a four one K did you have to pay?

913
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 1: I did taxes on that yet I had to pay

914
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: taxes on that withdrawal, but my dad did the math

915
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: and tell me how much the taxes would be. And

916
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: I had that much money in the bank, so it

917
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: was like, oh, you already have the money to pay

918
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: it back. And I was like, oh, okay, and so

919
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 1: you I absolutely had a penalty. I had a penalty,

920
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: but I early withdrawal, brought it back early withdrawal, And

921
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: so there's just been a lot of strategic things. My

922
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: four one K, my credit score. I work additional jobs

923
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 1: because some of that money I don't touch. The money

924
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: I get from teaching, I don't touch it. It goes

925
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: to my children's accounts, so it goes to their five

926
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: twenty nine, it goes to their IRA, it goes to

927
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: the personal savings and checking which each one of them

928
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: have their UTMA accounts. I don't touch that money. It

929
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: automatically is dispersed. It comes to direct out of their

930
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: account to all of the respective places you're supposed to go.

931
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 1: So like, people are like, where do you work so much? Well,

932
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: that's my child's investment. And I teaching brings me so

933
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: much joy. People say, what do you do for fun?

934
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 1: You work so much, What do you do for fun? Well, actually,

935
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,479
Speaker 1: I love teaching. I never had a black professor, not one.

936
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: And so for me being able to teach people that

937
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: look like me, being able to teach diverse students, it

938
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: really means so much to me. So you teach, I

939
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: teach marketing and communications at Columbia. Now both I teach

940
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 1: I both. Yeah, So I typically alternate one class per semester.

941
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: When I was younger, in my twenties, I taught four classes.

942
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: So I worked from nine to five, nine to six,

943
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: got to campus by six thirty, taught six thirty to

944
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: nine thirty every night. But in your twenties you just

945
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: have energy, yes, like you have energy and then and

946
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: then on the weekends, I'm a babysit right. That was

947
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: my third job in my twenties. So I taught, I

948
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: worked this CBS, and I babysat and then my babysitting

949
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: money used to be like my play money. This is

950
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: what I'll use for a flight to catch a flight somewhere.

951
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: So just always finding strategic opportunities to make money and

952
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: identifying what that money is going to do. Like I'm

953
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: not just working like this just to work. I'm working

954
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: like this to be set up for a particular future,

955
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: to set my children up for a particular future. Like

956
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: I said, I graduated college with an enormous amount of

957
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: school loans. God willing, my children won't have that. They

958
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 1: won't have that concern, and so that is a blessing

959
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: to be able to set them up in that way.

960
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 2: I really feel like standing up and clapping right now.

961
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: You do the same thing.

962
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 2: You're so inter You're just it's just like, yes, I mean,

963
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 2: I see why we're friends.

964
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: I see why we're friends that ever see each other,

965
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 3: see each other. I'm busy.

966
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: I can see there's something with the kids or something

967
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: to teach.

968
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 3: I would love to teach. Do I have to have

969
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 3: a master's for that.

970
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: So I have a very few amount of friends who,

971
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 1: based on industry experience, the chair the department let them teach.

972
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: But nine times out of tend the desires that you

973
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: have a master's.

974
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 3: No, thank you.

975
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: I don't want to go back to school, but I

976
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 2: do feel like eventually I would love to teach, even

977
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 2: if it's like mentoring or something like that. Those adjunct

978
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: professor jobs, though they do pay pretty decent.

979
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: They pay decent.

980
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 3: I think, yeah money kids, Yeah.

981
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: The IVY leagues pay really well. Columbia University is the

982
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: IVY League, so would pay substantially more than NYU, depending

983
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: on the adowment of the university, depending on how big

984
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: and how prestigious the school is. But then I also

985
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: I'm very grateful I'll get a speaking opportunity, so I'll

986
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: be able to speak and then get a nice five

987
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 1: figure check that I just like put away. So there's

988
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: a lot of different things that come I've been able

989
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: to benefit from having that title of professor. No one

990
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 1: could take that away. I've been teaching at the collegiate

991
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: level since i had my masters in two thousand and nine,

992
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: so I've been a professor for quite some time now.

993
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: And so that comes with you know, Gabrielle Gambriel professor

994
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: at Columbia, professor y you that adds currency to my rates,

995
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 1: and you know, different opportunities.

996
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 2: I would I want to come to one of your

997
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 2: classes and.

998
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 1: Just like come, I can be a speaker. You can

999
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: actually teach a class if you want.

1000
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 3: Oh, I'd love to yeh to. You know, I still.

1001
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: Like telling on branding on podcasts and there's so many

1002
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: things you can teach on.

1003
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 2: I really love to also just to get to well,

1004
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 2: I know you don't see her, but brand Ambish has

1005
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 2: a new producer intern, also named Gabrielle. He's from Syracuse,

1006
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 2: and I just realized it is such a privilege to

1007
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: get to be in that position, to give an opportunity

1008
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: to someone who was in the exact same position we

1009
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 2: were in school. So I think that's just I just

1010
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 2: think that's wonderful.

1011
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 3: I want to take a moment because I want to

1012
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 3: talk about Hashet. I want to talk about publishing.

1013
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: I want to talk about what is going on in

1014
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: publishing at this time and this climate. And oh yeah,

1015
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 2: in full disclosure, ba fam, I'm a Hashet author well.

1016
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: Soon to be.

1017
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: Yes, I am so fortunate to be working with Hashet's

1018
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 2: imprint legacy lit with the one Kashawan Troupman that was

1019
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: before Gabrielle joined Hashet. It's just so serendipitous that now

1020
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: you're there. But you know, Legacy Lit is an imprint

1021
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 2: that was created post George Floyd. You know, it was

1022
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 2: really meant to amplify bipoc and female voices and it

1023
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 2: has done that. And when they hired you, I was like, oh, well,

1024
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 2: Hashet is not taking its eye off the ball, like

1025
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 2: they're going to continue, you know, amplifying these these types

1026
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 2: of stories.

1027
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 3: But I want to get your perspective.

1028
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 2: Someone in comms like, what is the landscape like right now?

1029
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: That's a great question. So some media companies, I have

1030
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: friends that work at leading media companies that have some

1031
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: former colleagues where their title was changed. Literally diversity used

1032
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 1: to be in their title. Their title does not include diversity.

1033
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 3: Wearing that. Yes.

1034
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: Here, we hired a director of diversity just a few

1035
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 1: months ago. I think she started three months ago at

1036
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: Hashet in both the US and the UK. And this

1037
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: fall in September, we're having DEI festivals. So the entire

1038
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: day all employees are taken off from doing your traditional work.

1039
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: You'll go in DEI workshops here from DEI experts and

1040
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: their sessions, and so a full day dedicated to diversity

1041
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 1: equity and inclusion. One of our business pillars is changing

1042
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: the story, which is our commitment to diversity, equity and inclusion.

1043
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: So I'm very grateful to work for an organization, to

1044
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: work for a company, to work for a boss that

1045
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: says not on my watch. DEI is an essence a

1046
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: part of what we do here, and I'm grateful. And

1047
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm also at a point in my career and again

1048
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: it's a luxury and the privilege, and I've worked hard

1049
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: to be here, but I'm at a point in my

1050
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: career that if you're not talking to talk, or if

1051
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: you're not in line with my mission and my personal

1052
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: mission my personal values, is not a good fit. But

1053
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 1: here we are really really committed to diversity, equity and inclusion.

1054
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: And in the industry, a lot of more conservative industries

1055
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: and not even someone you would be surprised they are

1056
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: changing that diversity title. Their diversity departments are being cut

1057
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: Actually had a girlfriend reach out to me today from

1058
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: a leading media company. She just got laid off and

1059
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: she mentioned something to do with DEI cutbacks. So it

1060
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: is unfortunately happening in this current climate. But we're actually

1061
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: doing more on the diversity front.

1062
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 2: Ow and I mean, I mean it's a private company, right,

1063
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 2: hashet like or is it public?

1064
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: No, it's a publicly traded it is publicly trade.

1065
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 2: So that means the board also is on the board.

1066
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 2: The board is the boards on board?

1067
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? With that as well, the board is on board.

1068
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1069
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just I'm grateful to hear that. I

1070
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 2: think it is. It is a really terrifying time. It

1071
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 2: also makes me scared for women of color, especially because

1072
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 2: that's who they called on post twenty twenty to take

1073
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 2: on these new positions. And so you hear about your

1074
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 2: friend and others are who are being cut or a

1075
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: branding and PR person. So if I'm someone who's been

1076
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: in the DEI space, I mean, we were just talking

1077
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 2: about that on on a group coaching call last night,

1078
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 2: like should you go on LinkedIn and update your own

1079
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 2: title and take out those words? And some were like

1080
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 2: yes and some were like no. But as a branding

1081
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 2: expert yourself, how would you be thinking about rebranding or

1082
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 2: positioning yourself in this market if you do have a

1083
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 2: lot of experience in DEI and you're worried about that

1084
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 2: not being as marketable, And.

1085
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: That's a great question, that's a great question. The fact

1086
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: of the matter is companies are literally being sued for

1087
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: their commitment to diversity, equity and inclusion. They are being

1088
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: sued for diversity programs, which is why from a business standpoint,

1089
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: it's not what I agree with, But from a business standpoint,

1090
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,240
Speaker 1: it's the reason why some companies are eliminating diversity departments

1091
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: diversity teams because who wants to be sued to that effect.

1092
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: I think it's so important that those who have a

1093
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: diversity expertise that they make sure their resume, their LinkedIn

1094
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: shows transferable skills because facts are facts. There's not enough

1095
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: diversity jobs anymore. So if you're like, hey, I just

1096
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: want to do something diversity based, I only want to

1097
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: work in a diversity department, you are honestly limiting. But

1098
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: maybe there's an opportunity to work in people management. Maybe

1099
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: there's an opportunity to work in human resources, Maybe there's

1100
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: an opportunity to work in business development. So it's being

1101
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: able to pivot and read the room and deal with

1102
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: kind of the current climate. I just highly recommend that.

1103
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: So if I'm looking, if I'm hiring for let's even

1104
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: say like a marketing role, a lot of people that

1105
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: did DEI roles have phenomenal marketing expertise? Your resumes should

1106
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: convey that one hundred percent.

1107
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 2: And I mean it's it's almost it takes away from

1108
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 2: the fact that it doesn't. It's not like someone in

1109
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 2: marketing who focuses on DEI has any talent or skills

1110
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 2: and someone who's a general you know, marketing person. Sorry, yeah,

1111
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 2: I honestly feel like it's a good opportunity to remind

1112
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 2: people too that you hold like if you really care

1113
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 2: about DEI at its core, which is to increase representation

1114
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 2: and inclusivity. I always felt like such a spy, like

1115
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 2: a covert operator when I was a people manager because

1116
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 2: I got to lead a team of thirty people one

1117
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: hundred contractors. I got to decide how to spend that budget.

1118
00:51:59,200 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 3: An you better be.

1119
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 2: Damn sure I was spending among people who look like us, absolutely,

1120
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 2: And I didn't need a DEI title to do that.

1121
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 2: I just needed me in at leadership position. So I

1122
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 2: think it's even more like I think it's like, all right, cool,

1123
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 2: we're not going to get a gold star pat in

1124
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 2: the back for labeling what we're doing, but it shouldn't

1125
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 2: stop us from doing what we're doing.

1126
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 1: You agree, I agree. And when you're looking at the companies,

1127
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: look at do they have a diversity report? Do they

1128
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 1: have a corporate Social Responsibility report? You could look at

1129
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: to see what their values are? Do they have employee

1130
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,720
Speaker 1: resource groups? Like Okay, I don't have a traditional DEI function,

1131
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 1: but I want to be president of the Black Employee Network.

1132
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: I want to be president of the whatever eer G

1133
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: lgbt q I A or AA p I E er G.

1134
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: So some companies they're losing those things, and other companies,

1135
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: though they're pushing back on diversity, equity and inclusion. That

1136
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 1: may be your way to still make an impact and

1137
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: amongst that community.

1138
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 2: I just am really happy to know you and thank

1139
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 2: you friend. Yeah, and we haven't even talked about them kids.

1140
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 2: One of the most one of the toughest things you

1141
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 2: talked about recently, was it.

1142
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 3: No. I think we were actually on the phone. I

1143
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 3: forget why.

1144
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter, but you were just talking about your

1145
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 2: commute and you work so hard. You're in the office

1146
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 2: four days a week.

1147
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:17,439
Speaker 1: Now.

1148
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 2: I am more remote work. I am chigeting that good sea,

1149
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: sweet money. They're like, well, we're going to see you

1150
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 2: in the office. But they pay you for that, right,

1151
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 2: But you are commuting and that's a long commute, and

1152
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 2: you talk about leaving before the kids get up and

1153
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 2: getting home after they're in bed some days, Yes, how

1154
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 2: do you find time to reconnect with them? Like for

1155
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 2: any any mom who wants to grind as hard as you,

1156
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 2: let's just be real about the sacrifice of what that

1157
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 2: can look like. So how do you balance or how

1158
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 2: do you like try to reconnect with those kids when.

1159
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 3: You are home with them.

1160
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, so my kids are booked. They are so booked.

1161
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: My son has an activity seven days a week, seven

1162
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: days a week, every single day, football, soccer, football, football

1163
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: practice and football game, karate three times a week. Piano, husband, husband.

1164
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 3: Okay, good for him to.

1165
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: Be amazing, right, so you have he waslightful.

1166
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 2: I'm so, does he work from home or I know

1167
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: he's like, yes, yes, transition in transition, Yeah, okay and

1168
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 2: lucky he's married to a bad bitch.

1169
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: Oh thank you.

1170
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 2: But so he's yeah, he's there, mister, you know he's there.

1171
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: But even before he was in this transitional period, he

1172
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: worked from home full time. So he took the kids

1173
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: and he still does. He takes his kid My daughter

1174
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: goes to daycare and my son goes to school. He

1175
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: takes him to the school bus. My son gets home

1176
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: between three thirty pm before o'clock, and my husband's there

1177
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: to pick them up. Every day. My daughter has to

1178
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,479
Speaker 1: be picked up from daycare by six o'clock. My husband,

1179
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: who is phenomenal, amazing, wonderful partner, that's that takes my daughters.

1180
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: Now in karate, So Gigi's ballet soccer karate. So she's

1181
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: booked two and so we are actually talked about this

1182
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: because I was like, hey, maybe I need to hire

1183
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: some help to like kind of help to drive them

1184
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 1: or what have you. And it's figuring those things out.

1185
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: But in terms of connection with the kids, the weekend

1186
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: is theirs. I'm taking my daughter to ballet, non negotiable.

1187
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: I joined, I told you this. I joined the dance

1188
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 1: studio that she goes to. So like trying to do

1189
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: some physical something and so I do a zoomba class.

1190
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 1: I bring her with me. She's there, she'll try to

1191
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: one two with me and then so we're doing it

1192
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: on the home telling me yes, yes, I'm like, well,

1193
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: how the hell's got me? Saturday nine am?

1194
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 3: Saturday nine am, Oh yeah, a black.

1195
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: Owned a black owned studio drinks studio in Westchester, so

1196
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: ballet is hers. Then after that, I take my son

1197
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: to karate in the morning. My husband takes them to

1198
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: football Sunday's football games. I'm at my son's football game.

1199
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: I won't miss it. So those I try my best.

1200
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: My children get the weekend, and then when I get home,

1201
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: if I get home at eight o'clock, my children are

1202
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: still up because their schedule is non existent. Something I

1203
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: got to work on. I'm reading the Bedtime story.

1204
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 2: Oh I'm still but I just in that moment of

1205
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 2: you saying that I feel seen somehow. My baby is

1206
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 2: a night owl now homeboys on in bettel ten.

1207
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, but that sounds about writing. He's like watching.

1208
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 2: Dateline, like let's going that sounds about right, and my

1209
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 2: five year old, it's like it's eight thirty. I'm ready

1210
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 2: to go to my chamber chambers. Yeah, yeah, so I

1211
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 2: really feel seen in that moment. Sorry, keep going.

1212
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I just try to make time. My kids

1213
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: will wait until I get home so Mommy can give

1214
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: them a bath or like little things like come on,

1215
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 1: let's brush our teeth together. How was your day? What's

1216
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 1: going on at school? What are you doing? Let mommy

1217
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: check your homework, even though they already Jeffrey already did

1218
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: his homework with his dad. Can mommy check it? Can

1219
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: mom mey see what you're working on in school? So

1220
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: I try my best to insert themselves and then certain

1221
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: things like my son one day recently, he was walking

1222
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 1: around with the luggage, pulling the luggage. I'm my mom

1223
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: and I'm going away for business. I'm my mom and

1224
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm traveling for business. And I'm like, is it shade

1225
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: or is this?

1226
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 3: Like?

1227
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: Is this okay? I try? Yeah, I try. I try

1228
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: to make intentional time with them. I really do.

1229
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. And do you and your husband sort of have

1230
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 2: an understanding or like a I mean, he knew he

1231
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 2: was marrying married, right, you know what I'm saying. So

1232
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 2: I think and so to my husband, and I think,

1233
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 2: to a certain extent, it's like I am exactly who

1234
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 2: I was ten years ago, but now we hading kids

1235
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 2: in the mix, So you need to step it up,

1236
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 2: mister dad.

1237
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 3: So true.

1238
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 2: My husband came home yesterday early because he knew I was.

1239
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 3: A little frustrated by the state of the.

1240
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 2: Affairs of my house and sweeping, mopping, picking the kids up.

1241
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, great, this is what we need

1242
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 2: to see.

1243
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I work also, difference makes such a difference,

1244
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: makes such a difference. So he knew. You know, we've

1245
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: been married for seven years, together for seventeen years, so

1246
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: we always knew. He was with me, CBS and everywhere

1247
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: after that, so he knew what he knew what the

1248
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: deal was. And my husband when I talk about like ooh,

1249
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: we should get some help, or maybe I should have

1250
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: my husband's like it's my kids. I could take my

1251
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: kids to their stuff, or like he his greatest joy

1252
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: in life is being a father, and so I'm grateful

1253
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: for that because he never ever even flinks twice. It's like, okay,

1254
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: but I have to tell him. I have to tell

1255
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: him what's on the calendar, because he doesn't check the

1256
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: calendar every morning. I say, Okay, Jeffrey has karate at

1257
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: this time, Gigi has karate at this time. Jeffrey has

1258
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: this whatever activity. But he's pretty phenomenal in that. And

1259
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: then you know, like he knows like his birthday is

1260
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: coming up in June. He's like, oh, I got my

1261
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: list of whe we're going for my birthday, And so

1262
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: you know it's I'm like, okay, whatever you want to do,

1263
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: we're there. I already took off of work. We will

1264
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: go away for your birthday like we do every year,

1265
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: and it'll be a great time. So that's also important.

1266
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: Like balancing work, balancing kids, but balancing that marriage relationship

1267
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: non negotiable. Me and my husband have date night non negotiable.

1268
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 3: You do how often do you?

1269
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 2: Guys?

1270
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: We do once a week, once a week. That's amazing.

1271
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 3: I got no excused to.

1272
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 2: Not be having date nights other than like we just

1273
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 2: like hanging out with the kids.

1274
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fun for you guys. My husband is like,

1275
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: can we have no kids for a second.

1276
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 2: Well he is like yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.

1277
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 3: That's very true.

1278
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, all right right, Well, I just want to

1279
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 2: be you when I grow up.

1280
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: I guess no, no, I look up to you. I

1281
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: tell you that all the time. I always tell you

1282
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: I'm in all of you. And let's talk about finances.

1283
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: Let's talk about some stock. And you know, we were

1284
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,919
Speaker 1: talking about you check your stuff and I'm like, big,

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Speaker 1: I need to check my stuff a little.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah about your equity.

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Speaker 2: You got to diversify that, that is I know your equity.

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Speaker 1: I need to. I need to. I have a three

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Speaker 1: four on one case because of the different companies I

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Speaker 1: worked on, and at one point my advisor was like

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Speaker 1: leave it there and this, so I got to check

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Speaker 1: it out. I got to like, you know.

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Speaker 3: Where they're all at.

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Speaker 1: I know where it's at, I know.

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Speaker 3: Where it's well.

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Speaker 2: I'm always here when you want to chat about that

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Speaker 2: with all your free time.

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Speaker 3: Thank gabriel Cabrell.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining me on Grown Ambition and

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Speaker 2: being such a great example of what a driven, unapologetic

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Speaker 2: badass woman in twenty twenty five, a mom, an executive,

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Speaker 2: but someone who still pours back into themselves and their community.

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Speaker 3: So it's just an honor to know you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so thank you, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: All right, ba fam, go check out Gabrielle everywhere your

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Speaker 2: gift of Gabrielle on I g will put the YEP,

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Speaker 2: We'll put the link in our show notes where you

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Speaker 2: can connect with her as well as Hashet and find

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Speaker 2: out more about Legacy Lit and all the great projects

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Speaker 2: that Gabrielle is doing, all the great press she's getting

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Speaker 2: everyone excellent, anything else you want to leave us.

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Speaker 1: With, no just check out hashepbooks dot Com has shut

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Speaker 1: us on all handles and Gift of gab my handle.

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Speaker 1: I'm on all platforms.

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Speaker 2: Wonderful, all right, PA Fan until next time, Bye bye