WEBVTT - Tech News: The AI Headlines Keep On Coming

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from iHeartRadio. Hey there,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host Jonathan Strickland.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an executive producer with iHeartRadio. And how the tech

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<v Speaker 1>are you. It's time for the tech news for Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>April eighteenth, twenty twenty three. Yesterday SpaceX had to scrub

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<v Speaker 1>its planned orbit old test of the Starship spacecraft. Starship

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<v Speaker 1>is a two stage launch vehicle. The second stage also

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<v Speaker 1>serves as a spacecraft that's capable of carrying a crew

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, cargo. It is the most powerful launch

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle ever built to date. It is capable of producing

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<v Speaker 1>nearly twice as much thrust as NASA's Space Launch System,

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<v Speaker 1>which is its latest launch vehicle. But Starship has not

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<v Speaker 1>yet left the ground. SpaceX has test fired Starship engines

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<v Speaker 1>in the past, igniting thirty one of the thirty three

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<v Speaker 1>engines in a test, but those tests had the launch

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle bolted to the platform, so you know, it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>go anywhere. This was really just a test of the engines. Yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>the plan was to launch Starship into orbit. It would

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<v Speaker 1>be an uncrude mission, so there's no one aboard, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was meant to go into orbit and take a

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<v Speaker 1>full orbit of the Earth, but that didn't happen. And ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>also this is important because it's different from how it

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<v Speaker 1>will normally be operated. The starship was meant to have

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<v Speaker 1>both stages crash into the ocean. Now, in normal operation,

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<v Speaker 1>these components will return to Earth with a controlled landing,

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<v Speaker 1>so that you can reuse the same vehicle repeatedly and

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<v Speaker 1>thus bring down the cost of launching things into space,

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<v Speaker 1>just like they've been doing with the Falcon nine. But

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<v Speaker 1>this is a much larger launch vehicle, and for the

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<v Speaker 1>first test, the plan was just to let it crash

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<v Speaker 1>into the ocean. Unfortunately, none of that happened because a

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<v Speaker 1>technical error in the form of a frozen pressurization valve

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<v Speaker 1>meant that they had to scrub the launch and plan

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<v Speaker 1>for later this week. SpaceX has posted on Twitter that

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<v Speaker 1>it is now aiming to try again on Thursday, April twentieth,

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<v Speaker 1>when the company hopes the engines will just blaze and

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<v Speaker 1>shake free the shackles of gravity. Now onto Elon Musk,

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<v Speaker 1>who appeared on Fox News in an interview with Tucker

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<v Speaker 1>Carlson yesterday. Part two of that interview will air today

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<v Speaker 1>and they covered a lot of ground. Musk waved off

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter's troubles and said that they were mostly due to

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<v Speaker 1>just bad timing. I think a lot of folks would

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<v Speaker 1>disagree that bad timing is the only or even primary

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<v Speaker 1>cause for Twitter's woes, which are pretty widely distributed across

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<v Speaker 1>things from having laid off eighty percent of the workforce

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<v Speaker 1>to seeing around fifty percent of ad revenue drop out,

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<v Speaker 1>seeing high profile accounts leave the service, Like, We've seen

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of things happen at Twitter that I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think relate just to bad timing. He also made an

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<v Speaker 1>unsubstantiated claim that the US government has had backdoor access

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<v Speaker 1>to Twitter that essentially government agencies, though I don't believe

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<v Speaker 1>he named any in particular, could even look at people's

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<v Speaker 1>private direct messages, that that was included with the access

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<v Speaker 1>the government had to Twitter's back end. Now, he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>produce any evidence for this claim, and if it is true,

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<v Speaker 1>it's rather shocking that we didn't see any hint of

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<v Speaker 1>that during the Trump administration, or that Trump himself would

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<v Speaker 1>be banned from the platform. That seems odd if the

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<v Speaker 1>government had that level of access and manipulation of Twitter,

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<v Speaker 1>because It's not like Joe Biden has been president forever.

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<v Speaker 1>He became president in twenty twenty one, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>less than a year later that Musk started to buy

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<v Speaker 1>up Twitter stock with the intent of ultimately purchasing the platform.

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<v Speaker 1>And I infer from Musk's comments that he believes tools

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<v Speaker 1>like chat, GPT and Google Bard and Microsoft Being represent

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous implementations of AI, perhaps even representing an existential crisis,

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<v Speaker 1>and that his AI tool would somehow be different from

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<v Speaker 1>these and peaceful and beneficial to humanity by just recognizing

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<v Speaker 1>that humans are pretty nifty. Musk himself recently showed support

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<v Speaker 1>for a proposal to put a halt on AI development

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<v Speaker 1>for six months, and some people have said that might

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<v Speaker 1>not have been so much about trying to make things

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<v Speaker 1>safe for AI development, but rather it was intended to

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<v Speaker 1>give Musk's own efforts a chance to catch up to

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<v Speaker 1>everyone else because they were way ahead of the game. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>I found most of what Musk said to be speculative

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<v Speaker 1>and difficult to believe. Now I will say this, I

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<v Speaker 1>do think chat, GPT and other AI tools are potentially

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous insomuch as they can be used to do stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like spread misinformation or help craft malware and to perform

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<v Speaker 1>other malicious acts. But companies like open ai are at

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<v Speaker 1>least trying to put protections in place to prevent that

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<v Speaker 1>from happening. So far, those protections haven't been very robust

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<v Speaker 1>and people have found ways around them, but they're still

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<v Speaker 1>trying to prevent that. I do not see chatbots as

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<v Speaker 1>being an existential threat. There's nothing inherent in chat GPT

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<v Speaker 1>that gives it incredible power. It seems really compelling and

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<v Speaker 1>powerful and somewhat scary because it appears to communicate the

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<v Speaker 1>way we do. But that is the extent of what

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<v Speaker 1>chat GPT does. Like, it's not able to take action really,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's ultimately generating responses on a probabilistic scale. In

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<v Speaker 1>other words, it's predicting what the next word should be

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<v Speaker 1>and then putting it there. It's not thinking. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think Musk is conflating generative AI stuff like chat GPT

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<v Speaker 1>and Google Bard with AI as a whole. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is one of those things where you're like, you say,

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<v Speaker 1>all ducks are birds, but not all birds are ducks, right.

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<v Speaker 1>All generative AI is a type of artificial intelligence, but

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<v Speaker 1>not all of artificial intelligence is generative AI, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think some of the more dangerous implementations of AI have

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with large language models and chat ponds. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got a lot more to talk about with AI,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's just move on. Sundhar Pachai, Alphabet's CEO, appeared

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<v Speaker 1>on Sixty Minutes this week to essentially say that AI

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be disruptive, that it will impact lots

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<v Speaker 1>of jobs, including knowledge based jobs, so jobs like my job,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not up to the tech industry to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out how to do that responsibly. All right, So that

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<v Speaker 1>that last bit was probably a little bit of interpretation

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<v Speaker 1>on my own part. What he actually said was that

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<v Speaker 1>it's up to society to figure out regulations and laws,

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<v Speaker 1>to create the borders within which AI can operate, and

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that the rules quote align with human values,

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<v Speaker 1>including morality end quote, and that quote it's not for

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<v Speaker 1>a company to decide end quote. This is really interesting

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<v Speaker 1>coming from a leader of a company that used to

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<v Speaker 1>have the motto don't be evil. Of course Google shed

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<v Speaker 1>that motto years ago, so you could say that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>really apply anyway. One would think that creating AI that

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<v Speaker 1>does not cause harm would in the long run be

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<v Speaker 1>in the best interest of a company in that business.

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<v Speaker 1>But I guess that's just crazy talk. Anyway, what PITCHAI

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<v Speaker 1>is saying goes beyond chat bots and into broader implementations

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<v Speaker 1>of AI. And while I disagree with him about the

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<v Speaker 1>role companies should play visa v making sure AI doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>cause harm, I do agree that AI is going to

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<v Speaker 1>have an increasingly undeniable and disruptive impact on countless jobs

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<v Speaker 1>and tasks. Now, this does not necessarily mean that the

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<v Speaker 1>impact will always be bad, or that it will definitely

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<v Speaker 1>eliminate jobs, although that is certainly a possibility. My hope

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<v Speaker 1>is that we're gonna push AI to augment rather than

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<v Speaker 1>replace human employees. Otherwise, well, let's just take this to

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<v Speaker 1>an absurd conclusion. Right. Let's imagine we're in a world

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<v Speaker 1>where AI is doing all the work. Humans have been

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<v Speaker 1>replaced by AI. So humans are out of the equation

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<v Speaker 1>because they no longer are needed to have work be done.

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<v Speaker 1>So what is the AI doing work? For? For what purpose?

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<v Speaker 1>For whom is the AI doing work? If there are

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<v Speaker 1>no more humans working, what is the AI doing You

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<v Speaker 1>don't have consumers anymore because you don't have income right,

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<v Speaker 1>people aren't doing jobs, so they're not making money, so

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<v Speaker 1>there's no real economy, which means no one can buy

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<v Speaker 1>anything because no one has income. The companies would cease

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<v Speaker 1>to exist because there's no way for them to even

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<v Speaker 1>make money. At this point, money is meaningless. There's no money,

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<v Speaker 1>no one has a job. So it seems to me

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<v Speaker 1>like that absurd conclusion would quickly fall in on itself

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<v Speaker 1>without the implementation of something like, I don't know, universal

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<v Speaker 1>basic income, then you could reach that Star Trek future

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<v Speaker 1>right where nobody has to work, everybody makes the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of money they need to be able to do all

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<v Speaker 1>the basic things that we need to do, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we spend the rest of our time pursuing whatever it

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<v Speaker 1>is we want. But we don't have universal basic income.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a piece that's missing. And meanwhile, if everyone's pushing

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<v Speaker 1>for this future where AI is replacing everything, where does

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<v Speaker 1>that get us in the long run? Sure, in the

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<v Speaker 1>short term, you could say we've cut way back on

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<v Speaker 1>costs because we fired all the human employees, so we

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<v Speaker 1>don't have those costs anymore, But that doesn't sustain itself

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<v Speaker 1>for very long at all. I don't know. Maybe I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just missing the big picture here. All right, Well, while

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<v Speaker 1>I'm spiraling in this weird future reality, let's take a

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<v Speaker 1>quick break. Okay, we're back now. Before the break, I

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<v Speaker 1>talked about alphabet and Google's CEO talking about AIS impact.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, Google could be looking at a very specific

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<v Speaker 1>situation in which AI could have a potentially negative impact.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, it already has had a negative impact on Google.

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<v Speaker 1>So apparently last month, Google employees got word that Samsung

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<v Speaker 1>is considering ditching Google Search for Microsoft Bing, which of

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<v Speaker 1>course is augmented by chat GPT. There's our AI angle. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if Samsung did do this, if Samsung chose to switch

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<v Speaker 1>from Google Search to Microsoft Bing, that would be a

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<v Speaker 1>huge blow to Google's dominant market share in the search space.

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<v Speaker 1>For years, Google has enjoyed being the eight hundred pound

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<v Speaker 1>gorilla in online search, which honestly, that's an understatement. So

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<v Speaker 1>according to Statista, which you know you keep that in mind,

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<v Speaker 1>like that's just one source, Google Search took up nearly

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<v Speaker 1>ninety seven percent of the mobile market share in January

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three. Now that's mobile, not search overall, but

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<v Speaker 1>ninety seven percent. So if that's true, if ninety seven

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<v Speaker 1>percent of mobile devices use Google Search, as like the

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<v Speaker 1>default search, there's really nowhere to go but down. You're

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<v Speaker 1>not really going to creep up. You certainly are in

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<v Speaker 1>the realm of being called a monopoly, and it'd be

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<v Speaker 1>very difficult to argue against that. Right. But if you're Google,

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<v Speaker 1>you do not want to see those numbers go down

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<v Speaker 1>because that's bad for your business. So the word that Samsung,

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<v Speaker 1>a massive important player in the mobile space, could turn

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<v Speaker 1>to Bing instead of Google then sent a panic through Google,

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<v Speaker 1>which The New York Times picked up on and then

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<v Speaker 1>published an article about it. And so that panic then

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<v Speaker 1>spilled out from Google internally to Google shareholders, and yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>the company saw stock prices dropped by around four percent.

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<v Speaker 1>As for revenue, according to Gizmoto, Samsung switch could mean

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<v Speaker 1>Google misses out on around three billion dollars of revenue

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<v Speaker 1>per year. Yaousa. That's a huge amount of money. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>Google rakes in more than one hundred and sixty billion

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<v Speaker 1>dollars per year, so it's still an enormous company. But

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<v Speaker 1>maybe Pachai was warning us about AI because Google's hoping

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<v Speaker 1>to push out its own AI augmented search tool in

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<v Speaker 1>order to keep Samsung's business and keep that strangle hold,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly on the mobile search market. Bloomberg reports that a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of research papers show chat gpt is pretty good

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<v Speaker 1>at figuring out whether news will be good or bad

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<v Speaker 1>for a company's stock price. So one of the two

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<v Speaker 1>papers analyzed how well chat gpt could analyze statements that

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<v Speaker 1>came out of the Better or Reserve to determine if

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<v Speaker 1>they were quote unquote hawkish or dove ish, and the

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<v Speaker 1>other paper analyzed chat GPT's ability to parse financial news

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<v Speaker 1>headlines about companies and then figure out whether those headlines

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<v Speaker 1>were a good indicator for the stock price or a

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<v Speaker 1>bad indicator. And apparently the finding show that chat gpt

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty darn good. It's sussing that stuff out, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>almost as good as a trained human analyst would be.

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<v Speaker 1>So I wouldn't call chat gpt superhuman. It's not like

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<v Speaker 1>it's doing something that people cannot do. However, chatbots can

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<v Speaker 1>analyze way more information at a much faster rate than

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<v Speaker 1>a human can do. And moreover, it's possible that individual

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<v Speaker 1>investors could start to lean on tools like chat gpt

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out which investments could be safe bets, which

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<v Speaker 1>ones could be long shots, and which ones might just

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<v Speaker 1>be throwing your money away. So if you can get

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<v Speaker 1>the same sort of guidance from chat GPT that you

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<v Speaker 1>would normally need a professional analyst to provide, well, that

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<v Speaker 1>definitely can change the game. And it's possibly bad news

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<v Speaker 1>for the analysts out there because their jobs could become

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<v Speaker 1>one of the ones potentially impacted by AI. SONY recently

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<v Speaker 1>held its World Photography Awards and chose photographer Boris Eldigson

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<v Speaker 1>as the recipient of an award in the Creative Open

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<v Speaker 1>category for photography. Eldigson has declined to accept this award

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<v Speaker 1>because he says the image he submitted was not in

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<v Speaker 1>fact a photograph he snapped, but rather a computer generated image.

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<v Speaker 1>Eldigson says that his intent was to test a major

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<v Speaker 1>photography competition to see if the field is ready to

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<v Speaker 1>distinguish between photographs taken by human photographers and computer generated imagery,

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<v Speaker 1>and he described his state of mind as that of

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<v Speaker 1>a cheeky monkey, his words, not mine. I can certainly

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate that, And while I'm sure that this matter will

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<v Speaker 1>spawn a lot of criticism for L. Dexon and the competition,

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<v Speaker 1>I think his intentions were good ones. His actions show

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<v Speaker 1>that things like competitions, we really need to take into

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<v Speaker 1>consideration the possibility of AI aided or generated design as

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<v Speaker 1>part of that competition, or figure out how we prevent

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<v Speaker 1>it from being part of the competition if that's our desire. So,

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<v Speaker 1>Eldigston said that the photography world needs to have an

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<v Speaker 1>open discussion about AI's place in photography. Does it have

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<v Speaker 1>a place? Should AI generated photography even be considered photography

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<v Speaker 1>at all? If not, how do we detect it to

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<v Speaker 1>prevent someone with access to a powerful image generator from

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<v Speaker 1>dominating what is otherwise meant to be a fair competition

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<v Speaker 1>between human photographers. So these questions aren't just hypothetical now

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<v Speaker 1>that image generating technology has reached a sufficient level of

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<v Speaker 1>sophistication so that it can pass itself off as a

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<v Speaker 1>human created work. A spokesperson from the World of Photography

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<v Speaker 1>organization appears to contradict at least some of Eldigson's statements,

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<v Speaker 1>claiming that he had made it clear that a generative

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<v Speaker 1>tool at least played a part in constructing the image,

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<v Speaker 1>and that they in turn thought that it was interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>and that he had quote unquote fulfilled the criteria for

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<v Speaker 1>the category and that the organization only withdrew from conversations

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<v Speaker 1>with him after he said that he had purposefully attempted

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<v Speaker 1>to mislead the competition and then declined the award. So

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<v Speaker 1>whether the organization was aware of the AI involvement, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the extent of the involvement was miscommunicator, I can't really tell,

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<v Speaker 1>but it sounds like the organization says, no, we knew

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<v Speaker 1>what was going on when we gave him the award.

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<v Speaker 1>He just declined it, whereas he's saying, I submitted this

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<v Speaker 1>as my own work, but in fact it was AI generated.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know who's telling the truth or where it's

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<v Speaker 1>getting lost in this article. It may be that it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little more complex than that, and I just don't

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<v Speaker 1>understand it all yet. Okay, one more generative AI story. Recently,

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<v Speaker 1>a person using the handle ghost writer used Generative AI

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<v Speaker 1>to create a song featuring the generated voices of Drake

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<v Speaker 1>and the Weekend. The song is called hard on My Sleeve,

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<v Speaker 1>and it became a kind of viral sensation on platforms

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<v Speaker 1>like Spotify and TikTok. So the voices sound like Drake

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<v Speaker 1>in the Weekend, but they are generated by AI. So

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<v Speaker 1>some refer to this as deep fake audio. Neither artist

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<v Speaker 1>was involved in the actual making of the song, and

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<v Speaker 1>it raises a bunch of questions about image and personality rights.

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<v Speaker 1>So here in the United States, we don't have any

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<v Speaker 1>laws at the federal level that protect personality or image rights.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have no right to your image or to

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<v Speaker 1>the expression of your personality the federal level. Anyway, some

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<v Speaker 1>of the states do, but not the federal level. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you were to create a deep fake audio for

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<v Speaker 1>some song and you were using someone else's voice for it,

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing illegal about that at the federal level. There

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<v Speaker 1>have been companies that have made copyright strikes for deep

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<v Speaker 1>fake audios, but you can't copyright a voice or a personality.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess they're just using that because it's the

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<v Speaker 1>only weapon they have right now for those kind of cases.

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<v Speaker 1>But it really shows how the US needs to revisit

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<v Speaker 1>concepts like image protection and personality protection laws. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's it for this episode. Before I run too long,

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