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Speaker 1: Oh John, Oh, Sam, I love you so much.

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Speaker 2: I love you almost as much as the great stories

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Speaker 3: And you know what I love equally as much is

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Speaker 3: the two minutes of Spots is coming up because they

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Speaker 3: support the show and make sure that we will have

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Speaker 3: our happily Ever after.

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Speaker 4: My best friend gave her boyfriend permission to hook up

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Speaker 4: with me.

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Speaker 1: So now we gotta get permission from Opie and then

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Speaker 1: everything's fine, maybe kind of.

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Speaker 4: They always say it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission,

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Speaker 4: Not in this case. Not in this case though, first

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Speaker 4: and foremost, I am not down to read any poll shaming.

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Speaker 2: That's not the point of this post.

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Speaker 4: Polyamory is a validating and relationship model when done ethically,

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Speaker 4: and I'm laying that down first and foremost. I'll also

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Speaker 4: lay it down that it's a lot more complicated. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: any advice given that has the air of but Polly

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Speaker 1: Straight up.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to keep on growing past and not take

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Speaker 2: it in now.

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Speaker 4: By the way, this comes from user throw away Love

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Speaker 4: Sucks and if you want to submit your own stories,

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Speaker 4: go to the r slash Okay story time sumbered it.

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Speaker 4: So my best friend Cindy and I have known each

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Speaker 4: other fifteen years and have been roommates for five as years.

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Speaker 4: Cindy is Polly and has two partners, one that lives

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Speaker 4: which is pretty far from us. I knew Mark through

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Speaker 4: mutual friends prior to him meeting Cindy, and we actually

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Speaker 4: slammed together a couple of times back in like twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 4: He's Polly and I am monogamous, and we decided it

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Speaker 4: wouldn't work between us, but we maintained being good friends

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Speaker 4: because we get along really well. I introduced those two

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Speaker 4: in twenty seventeen, admittedly under the He's Polly Your Polly

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Speaker 4: matchmaking attempt, and they hit it off. In twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 4: Mark had to move to Oregon for work, but they

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Speaker 4: am happy for them. So in twenty twenty, I kind

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Speaker 4: of lost my mind. I had to break up with

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Speaker 4: realized I hated my job. I turned thirty and fell

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Speaker 4: deeply unhappy with where my life was headed. So I

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Speaker 4: and I started to do solow hiking adventures.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that just put anxiety in me so hard.

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Speaker 2: Solo hiking solow high adventures.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, yeah, how to disappear.

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Speaker 4: In the woods one oh one, go in mire alone,

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Speaker 4: mayre alone. I mentioned in a group chat that I

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Speaker 4: always wanted to camp at Crater Lake National Park in Oregon,

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Speaker 2: He's into hiking as well.

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Speaker 4: Cindy hates camping and hiking and nature, but was excited

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Speaker 4: She was short in conversation, didn't want to hang out

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Speaker 2: Very mature, very very mature.

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Speaker 4: I went to mutual friends who said they had no

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Speaker 4: me they've discussed it and I have permission to sleep

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Speaker 4: with Mark on this trip.

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Speaker 2: Well, how lovely, Yes, how grand a thank you and.

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Speaker 4: That doesn't feel weird and uncomfortable at all. No, to

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Speaker 4: have a zoom meeting about who has permission to thank you? Yeah, hmmm, yeah, yes,

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Speaker 4: just letting you know my pearly gates are open for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you may for the two.

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Speaker 1: Of you, not like she's not even involved in it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just of course that's going to be uncomfortable.

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Speaker 4: Apparently one of the boundaries in their relationship is neither

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Speaker 4: Mark mentioned two weeks prior that he would be down

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Speaker 4: Mark argued that he already slept with me previously, so

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Speaker 1: Yeah, rightfully, so they're excited.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: They're treating you like a Pokemon or something. Yeah, treating

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Speaker 1: Any choice of the matter, almost not quite, but like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. How would you react to this?

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Speaker 1: I would be so mad. I would be so mad

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Speaker 4: So many thoughts are swirling in my head right now,

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Speaker 2: Object in some ways. But somehow it's even worse.

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Speaker 4: Sleeping with Mark wasn't even a concept to me, as

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Speaker 2: And there is an update, but like, wow, yeah, I

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Speaker 4: Look, sometimes really weird stuff just happens. And if these

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Speaker 2: It's just so weird and uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: It's very weird, and I almost feel like there could

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Speaker 4: With whoever I went, They're just like, hey, we have

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Speaker 2: Cindy and I.

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Speaker 1: With this new friend, I made.

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Speaker 4: When the plague hit, we both had two very different responses.

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Speaker 4: Cindy work's customer service at an online store, so after

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Speaker 4: Neither of us can do anything with either of our

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Speaker 4: Way?

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Speaker 1: reading through the comments, I'm untangling some of the feelings

442
00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,320
Speaker 1: that I was having. I am upset about being assigned

443
00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,600
Speaker 1: to the couch, especially because it was last minute and

444
00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,159
Speaker 1: I was not told beforehand. An entire weekend of partying

445
00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,240
Speaker 1: with an uncomfortable sleeping arrangement and no privacy really sounded miserable.

446
00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,160
Speaker 1: I'm not twenty two anymore, just twenty nine, but.

447
00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,560
Speaker 2: I boo, I would do that right now. I'm twenty nine.

448
00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,640
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but I do think I am more upset

449
00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,399
Speaker 1: about Oliver's exclusion and just didn't piece it together and

450
00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,399
Speaker 1: really held onto the couch as an excuse.

451
00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that makes more sense. That makes fu I'm

452
00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:26,480
Speaker 2: down with that. Yeah, yesh.

453
00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,240
Speaker 1: It really did feel like it was made into a

454
00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,040
Speaker 1: couple's weekend and somehow Oliver and I were excluded from that.

455
00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,760
Speaker 1: I hated it immediately, feeling like the seventh wheel at

456
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Speaker 1: A Number two. I did not know Shane and Sarah's

457
00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,760
Speaker 1: partners were going to be there, literally until I walked

458
00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,800
Speaker 1: in and saw them. And there's a consensus from the comments,

459
00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:47,719
Speaker 1: not the A hole comments point out the audacity.

460
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Speaker 2: Comments by Ope.

461
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Speaker 1: I assumed I had a bed because the original plan

462
00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,200
Speaker 1: was for me to have a bed. When we made

463
00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,320
Speaker 1: the plans in January, we both confirmed that I would

464
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Speaker 1: be staying in the guest room.

465
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Speaker 4: Okay, So she didn't just assume they talked about it.

466
00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,640
Speaker 4: There was okay, action, confirmation, there we go.

467
00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,480
Speaker 1: I felt like there was like more that we weren't seeing.

468
00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,320
Speaker 1: But this that makes more sense. Shane and Sarah were

469
00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,600
Speaker 1: added to the trip early in April, and it wasn't

470
00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,280
Speaker 1: until Sarah and her husband informed them that they couldn't

471
00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,040
Speaker 1: find a hotel, which to my understanding was like a

472
00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,439
Speaker 1: week before the trip. Josie moved around, sleeping arrangements and

473
00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,760
Speaker 1: didn't tell me. We have been friends for fifteen years.

474
00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,760
Speaker 1: I know they are good people. I hate the we're

475
00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,560
Speaker 1: upset with each other. I would really love for us

476
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Speaker 1: to move past this. When we made plans back in January,

477
00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,760
Speaker 1: it stemmed from Josie and I seeing the event advertised

478
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Speaker 1: and agreeing that it sounded fun. She invited me to

479
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Speaker 1: come stay with her for the weekend. Her husband would

480
00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,240
Speaker 1: be there, obviously, but it was definitely meant to be

481
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Speaker 1: a girl's weekend, which we do at least once a year.

482
00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:41,680
Speaker 1: I presented it to Oliver that way, and he told

483
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Speaker 1: me to have fun, as far as I'm aware. At

484
00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,440
Speaker 1: some point, Leo suggested inviting Shane, their college friend, which

485
00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,360
Speaker 1: Josie told me about. She also mentioned that Sarah might

486
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Speaker 1: be joining as well, since she heard about the event

487
00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,520
Speaker 1: and was interested. At no points did Josie or Leo

488
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,679
Speaker 1: mention Shane and Sarah would be bringing their partners or

489
00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,880
Speaker 1: that arrangements would change. I have met Shane and Sarah

490
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,240
Speaker 1: maybe three or four times in the last seven years.

491
00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,199
Speaker 1: I don't even have their cell numbers, so I have

492
00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,120
Speaker 1: no idea what happened between them and Josie and Leo.

493
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,840
Speaker 1: Planning wise, I knew Sarah was married, but I didn't

494
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,199
Speaker 1: know that Shane had just gotten engaged. So I was

495
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,359
Speaker 1: invited by Josie for somewhat of a girl's weekend, and

496
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,760
Speaker 1: then eventually Leo invited Shane, I assumed to have a

497
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,800
Speaker 1: guy friend and not to be a third wheel, and

498
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 1: then Sarah too. The weekend just had the vibe of

499
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 1: a bunch of friends getting together. I one hundred percent

500
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,160
Speaker 1: would have invited Oliver or asked if he could come

501
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,600
Speaker 1: if I knew that Shane and Sarah were bringing their partners.

502
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Speaker 1: The reason I mentioned my room is only because it

503
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,920
Speaker 1: had been established that I would be staying there early

504
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,280
Speaker 1: on in the planning. I know I'm not entitled to

505
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,280
Speaker 1: the room. It is their house, and I would not

506
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,919
Speaker 1: have had any problem not staying in that room. I

507
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 1: also would not have had a problem getting a hotel

508
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 1: if I had been informed of the sleeping arrangements beforehand.

509
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 1: At the point of me finding out Thursday afternoon, a

510
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 1: large majority of the hotels in the area had been

511
00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 1: booked for the festival. In the rooms I could find

512
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 1: were at least twice the price that they normally were,

513
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 1: and no hotel I called had consecutive.

514
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 2: Availability for the weekend.

515
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 1: I am sure that this is the same problem Sarah

516
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 1: and her husband ran into when they tried to book.

517
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 1: And there are some notable comments. Uh, Opie, you are

518
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,360
Speaker 1: not the a hole at all in the situation. Your

519
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 1: friend's parting comment about they just didn't think about it

520
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 1: shows exactly who they.

521
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,399
Speaker 2: Are they are, doesn't This is fine?

522
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 1: No, I could see how you. I mean, it's a

523
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 1: big conclusion to jump at. I think it's a very

524
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 1: Internet like the esque thing to do to jump to

525
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 1: that from what we saw before the edit. But after

526
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 1: the edit, it's like, I don't really agree with that.

527
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but guess what we have an updated.

528
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 1: Yes, So nine days later, long update ahead. I waited

529
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,439
Speaker 1: until the weekend to call Josie because I thought that

530
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 1: we could both use the time to cool off and

531
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 1: think about the situation. I spent a few days parsing

532
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 1: through your comments. When we finally got on the phone,

533
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,160
Speaker 1: she was instantly apologetic for how the previous weekend went.

534
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

535
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 1: But before we went further into the convo, I asked

536
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 1: her to explain how we ended up where we did.

537
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 1: So here are the events, as she told her, and

538
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 1: I made plans in January for me to come visit

539
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 1: for the festival.

540
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 2: Okay.

541
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 1: Her husband, Leo was only interested in like one day's

542
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 1: events and wasn't planning on attending with us the rest

543
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 1: of the time, so it was mainly a girl's weekend

544
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 1: for us. Okay. Sometime in March, Leo mentioned the weekend

545
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 1: to Shane, his college friend, who showed interest. Josie said

546
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 1: that it was Leo's idea to invite Shane so he'd

547
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 1: have someone to hang out with while she and I

548
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,679
Speaker 1: were busy with our plans. Josie and Leo told me

549
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 1: at this point that Shane would be there for the

550
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: weekend too, okay, so we knew that another friend was

551
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,360
Speaker 1: going okay, Okay, then I guess a couple of days

552
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 1: after that, Sarah, in the same college friend group, heard

553
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: about the event from Shane, and she and her husband

554
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 1: decided to go as well. Josie at this point told

555
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 1: me that their friend Sarah would also be in town

556
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: for the festival. She did not tell me that Sarah

557
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 1: was planning on staying at their house because they had

558
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 1: originally planned on getting a hotel. Oh wow, So Josie

559
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: was kind of bamboozled by Sarah. Yeah dang. Somewhere between

560
00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,439
Speaker 1: Shane being added and the festival weekend, Shane proposed to

561
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: his now fiance Oh wow, and then requested that she'd

562
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: be added to the trip.

563
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 2: Wow.

564
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 4: This is so complicated, and you know what, none of

565
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 4: this sounds like it has anything to do with Op

566
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 4: and Oliver, not at all at all. Just all this

567
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 4: other crazy stuff happening around the planet.

568
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

569
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: The Monday before the trip, Sarah and her husband called

570
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,479
Speaker 1: that they couldn't find an affordable hotel and asked if

571
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 1: they could stay with Josie and Leo. When I asked

572
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: Josie why she didn't just update me on the plans,

573
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: she says she was feeling overwhelmed by all of the

574
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 1: changes and worried that if I knew I'd be sleeping

575
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: on the couch, I wouldn't come. I knew that, just

576
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: like she'd be okay with it. Was it felt weird.

577
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 1: I don't know, so that one does have something to

578
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 1: do with you. No, one does have a little bit.

579
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: She claimed that she and Leo looked for hotels for me,

580
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 1: but also couldn't find anything affordable. She said she felt

581
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 1: bad She understood why I left, but she wished that

582
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: I hadn't and that she spent the entire weekend feeling awful.

583
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: So she did apologize, and I also apologized for leaving

584
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 1: abruptly without talking it out. I also felt overwhelmed by

585
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 1: the situation, especially because I barely know Shane and Sarah,

586
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: let alone their partners. That's the simplified version of that problem.

587
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 4: And you know what, like if if what's what's the

588
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 4: host's name, Josie, Josie. Yeah, Josie and her husband could

589
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 4: have just been like, well, we'll sleep on the couch.

590
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 1: That's a great idea.

591
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 4: Concerned if you're like, oh, I feel terrible about it,

592
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 4: it's like, well, give her your bed.

593
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: Right, air mattress or something.

594
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can get like a sleeping pad. Yeah, solutions.

595
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, he wants to figure it out, man.

596
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: And a week is plenty of time to get like.

597
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: An air mattress. Yeah.

598
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 2: Now.

599
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: I also asked why they hadn't thought to invite Oliver.

600
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: I said that I understood plans changed pretty fast, but

601
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: there was a decent chunk of time where she knew

602
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: all the couples would at least be at the festival,

603
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: and she could have at least extended the invite. I said,

604
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 1: I wasn't buying the excuse that they forgot, especially since

605
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: she just explained that she was kind of purposefully keeping

606
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: me in the dark in the hopes that I wouldn't cancel.

607
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,199
Speaker 1: Josie admitted that the last time all four of us

608
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: were together, which was last September, Oliver made a pass

609
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: at Leo and that made Leo really uncomfortable. What, Oh

610
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: my gosh, this is like a whole nother plot line

611
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: invited into the chat.

612
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Oliver wants Leo, what crazy way? Hold on?

613
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 4: What?

614
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 2: All right, Let's get into that.

615
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: It was a night we had all been out drinking,

616
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: and according to Leo, somehow the conversation got around to

617
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: the topic of Oliver's heaspot, and Leo made a comment

618
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: about never having any spicy interaction with men, to which

619
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: Oliver responded, well, if you ever wanted to change that,

620
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: let me know. I got off the phone to talk

621
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: to Oliver. I know that he would never cheat on me,

622
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: and then he probably meant it as a joke. Oliver

623
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: said that he remembered the night and said that it

624
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: was just a joke because he could tell Leo was

625
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: uncomfortable with Oliver's past stating men and that he didn't

626
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: think Leo took him seriously.

627
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

628
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: So he was like, I spaw, I'm gonna I'm gonna

629
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: start to floor with them to make him uncomfortable.

630
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 2: I mean what, Yeah, I kind of get that.

631
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I kind of get that nag

632
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: to call Leo and smooth it over himself. But I

633
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: told him to hold off because I didn't want to

634
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: make the situation worse. I just told Josie privately that

635
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: Oliver didn't mean to make Leo uncomfortable and that he

636
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: was sorry, and she said that she'd tell Leo that

637
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 1: there is still a little bit more to the story.

638
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: My brain feels like alphabet soup with all of these

639
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: names running around.

640
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: I agree, there's a lot of name going.

641
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: It was literally someone's child's eating oufhan soup, mixing around

642
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: all the numbers and everything's floating everywhere. Yeah, that's my brain.

643
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 4: I'm sticking in terms of my take, I'm sticking to

644
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 4: the oldie, but goody, just don't take it personally.

645
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 2: Leo, don't take that.

646
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 4: If you wouldn't take that personally, ave was just messing

647
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 4: around and now you're like, oh, Oliver wants me.

648
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 2: He's like, no, no, he doesn't joke.

649
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: I would wish though, I think if I was an

650
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: OP situation, I would wish that my friend of fifteen

651
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 1: years would like tell me for real, like, if something

652
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: like that is actually a real concern, that should be

653
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: something that should be discussed my partner.

654
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you said it back in September, you could

655
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 4: have just talked it out immediately been like, oh no,

656
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 4: that was a joke. Yeah, you don't have to be

657
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 4: uncomfortable about that for instead.

658
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 1: Of yeah, purposely not inviting him to something that everyone

659
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: is part of, like you can.

660
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 2: Talk about it.

661
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Speaker 1: If I have a friend for fifteen years, I would

662
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: hope that they would be able to talk to me

663
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: about that stuff.

664
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Speaker 4: That's given me some serious es. Then from Leo to

665
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 4: take take it so seriously that he's like, yeah, I

666
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 4: don't think that that guy should ever come around again

667
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 4: because he well wants to touch my butt.

668
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder, like I really wonder, so scared I

669
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: could I Yeah, I could see how he would take

670
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: it really seriously if he if he's he definitely doesn't

671
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: like understand it. So I think if he sees like,

672
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: oh well, if you ever want to change that, he

673
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: would see that as like, oh my god. He just

674
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: like he just like really is hitting on me like

675
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: it's a big deal, and it's like no, no, no, it's

676
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: not that big.

677
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,239
Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, like straight people do that too.

678
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: It's okay, Like it's fine, you know. So I think

679
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: it's just a complicated situation.

680
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: It's just could have been so clear communication Zacht early exactly.

681
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: So Josie and I are okay, even if things are

682
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: a little tense. I genuinely don't know what to do

683
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: about the Leo Oliver situation other than let it smooth

684
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: over with time. I only see Josie three to four

685
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: times a year, and Oliver sees them maybe one to

686
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: two times a year. So hopefully the next time we

687
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: all want to do something together it can just be forgotten.

688
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: There is a consensus from the comments. Commenters tell Opia

689
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: Doormat has a stronger spine than her her dad read

690
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: her Oh my gosh, is not even true.

691
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 2: What are we talking about?

692
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: Think so at all?

693
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 4: She literally left, Yeah, she literally said I'm going to

694
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 4: leave because I'm standing on business.

695
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: This story has hurt my brain.

696
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 4: I will say though, in terms of like that whole

697
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 4: like maybe we just never mention it and it gets forgotten. Yeah, Yeah,

698
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 4: that's kind of jello spine doormat behavior. Yeah, I think

699
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 4: we've gotten to the meat. I think that's that. That's

700
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 4: the end of that story.

701
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: What happened. A lot happened. I think the if I

702
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: was Opy, the only thing that I would still kind

703
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: of be annoyed about annoyed nothing more is the fact

704
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: that Josie didn't like tell her about the real reason

705
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: to not invite Oliver earlier. Yeah, that that bothers me.

706
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 4: Right, It's like you need to if it's so, if

707
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 4: it's that big of a deal that like you can't be.

708
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: Around him anymore, Like you all need to talk about that.

709
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that.

710
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 4: So the two things I'd say, clear communication early, don't

711
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 4: take anything personally, please, and that's how to have a

712
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 4: better life.

713
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: God. But that's the end of that story.

714
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Speaker 2: My wife cheated on me. Now she's blaming it on

719
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Speaker 2: mind control.

720
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 4: He cast a spell with his eyes his beautiful eye

721
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 4: too powerful.

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Speaker 5: First of all, I want to say I am not

723
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Speaker 5: normally the person to post my business on the internet,

724
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 5: but for reasons you will shortly see, I need a

725
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 5: sanity check on this one. There's absolutely no way I

726
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Speaker 5: can chow this dilemma with anyone who knows me.

727
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: It's too fed up and I'm honestly reeling here.

728
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Speaker 5: By the way, this comes from number Fantastic forty nine

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Speaker 5: go to the r slash. Okay, storytime start about it.

731
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 5: So to try to make a long story short, My

732
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 5: wife thirty two female, and I thirty two male, have

733
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 5: been married for five years, no kids, but lately things

734
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 5: haven't been so great, you don't say, I wonder what

735
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 5: could give us that impression. The main issue, frankly, is

736
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 5: there hasn't been any spicy sleep. And I keep talking

737
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 5: to her about this, but she honestly seems completely indifferent,

738
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 5: like she doesn't even care.

739
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: That I have neats.

740
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 4: Hey, you've got hands sets.

741
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: Her take is that Jill or Tom hands over there?

742
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 2: You're Dave.

743
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: When you're dating Tom hands, what you're gonna get?

744
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 5: I ask her if she wants spicy sleep anymore, and

745
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 5: she just hrugs.

746
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 4: I know, maybe maybe when they tell you, the worst

747
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 4: she can say is no, and then she does that instead.

748
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, maybe he's worse. At the same time, she

749
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 5: has been going to the gym, more highlighting her hair,

750
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 5: wearing more makeup clothes, et cetera, et cetera, which to

751
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 5: me seems like signs of cheating when combined with not

752
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 5: having spicy sleep with me at all, Paul, cheating or

753
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 5: not just purely looking at this in a vacuum disregardings.

754
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 4: You're gonna say, Nah, you know what this feels like

755
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 4: to me? It feels like gut check here. It feels like,

756
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 4: you know, when it's like, well.

757
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 2: My porter's not sleep with me, and now she's like

758
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: going to the gym and dressing nicer, It's like maybe

759
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: she's just like leaning into her you know, fierce Era.

760
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 4: You knows right, I'm here, I'm doing my thing. I

761
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 4: don't need my man to give me permission to do

762
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 4: my thing, right.

763
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: But also she's gonna try it on this guy.

764
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 5: Frankly, I started to get fed up with a lack

765
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 5: of respect and interest and consideration above all, the lack

766
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,719
Speaker 5: of communication, like, she just won't talk to me about this. So,

767
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 5: while I'm not proud, I did check her phone and

768
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 5: discovered very clear evidence that she is cheating on me

769
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 5: with a male coworker of hers, but in a total

770
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 5: fifty shades club way where she is calling him master

771
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. Oh totally not my thing, and

772
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,239
Speaker 5: honestly really upsets me way more than just cheating that

773
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 5: she would be calling another man master. Obviously, for me,

774
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 5: this was the final straw, and I knew there was

775
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 5: no coming back from this. I just wanted a divorce,

776
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 5: and I wanted it right away. No kids, might as

777
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 5: well start over while we're young. So I confronted her

778
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 5: the next day after a night of stewing and sweating

779
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 5: on the couch. Oh God, no spicy sleepad. And here's

780
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,239
Speaker 5: where the really fed up part starts. As soon as

781
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 5: I brought up her coworker, my wife started sobbing and

782
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 5: says she is not cheating on me on purpose, but

783
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 5: rather is under mind control.

784
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 4: She must work at the mind control factory. They're building

785
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 4: the mind control technology, and they're like, he's using the

786
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 4: proto time to make me want him.

787
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 5: Mega mind strikes again with that superior brain of his

788
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 5: double long time big old brain, superior superior brain, big head. Well,

789
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 5: so we've established that there was cheating undermine control allegedly,

790
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 5: right right, which changes everything? Changes everything? What's investigating, howie?

791
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: Yes?

792
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 5: So she said he literally put her under hypnotic control

793
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 5: so that whenever he says certain trigger words she goes

794
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 5: into a trance, given her suggestions that she will carry

795
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 5: out even when they're not together.

796
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: So I'm obviously like, what the.

797
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd be like, so, y'all did that while you

798
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 4: were in the boudoir and now you want to bust

799
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 4: out that No, he hypnotized me.

800
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: I said. I was obviously like, what the f? Because

801
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: that crap doesn't exist?

802
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: Right, Oh, that's where you're wrong.

803
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 5: She's telling me this so confidently, as if everyone just

804
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 5: knows you can go around mind controlling your coworkers and

805
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,959
Speaker 5: that's the thing that happens. But it's not right. So

806
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 5: I have absolutely no idea what to say to this.

807
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 5: But I asked her, if this was true, why did

808
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 5: she never tell me before? And she said the control

809
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 5: stopped her, So why can she tell me now? She

810
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 5: says she doesn't know because she doesn't remember all of

811
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 5: his instructions, but he may have let her tell me

812
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 5: if I specifically asked, or it may be that the

813
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 5: control was broken because it was too emotionally intense. O brother,

814
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 5: I just honestly did not believe all of this at all.

815
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: And I don't even know what.

816
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 5: To do with this excuse, Like I've never heard any

817
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 5: crap like this in my life. But my wife couldn't

818
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 5: tell that I didn't believe her, and she started crying

819
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 5: and saying I didn't trust her, and she wants to

820
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 5: get out of the control, and if I can't help

821
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 5: save her from him, then she'll have to leave him

822
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 5: and never do anything like that again.

823
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: I mean, here's what happened.

824
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 4: They did this for fun, doing a little bounce now,

825
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 4: bounce now, and Okay, she's flailing because she's being confronted

826
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 4: with it, and she's.

827
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 2: Like, oh oh, oh, oh wait no, actually I was

828
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: hypnotized and now I'm gonna freak out. I see what

829
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: you're saying.

830
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 5: So in one of their in one of their spicy sessions,

831
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 5: they maybe had some little you know, hypnosis or whatever.

832
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 4: He's like, so I'm gonna hypnotize you to increase your sensation.

833
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 5: And She's like, I'm technically telling the truth because he

834
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 5: we did do a hypnosis thing.

835
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 2: If he ever asked the guy, it's like, oh, yeah,

836
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: I did do this hypnosis thing. It's nonsense.

837
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 5: I need to believe it's not her faults because she

838
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 5: would never do that to me. So basically, at this point,

839
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 5: I just left and went to my brother's house and

840
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 5: told her I need to get away from this right now.

841
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 5: She's been texting me since begging me to believe her,

842
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 5: and I just told my brother I found out she

843
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 5: was cheating, and he said, I can stay as long

844
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 5: as I want, but there's no way.

845
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: I can tell him all of this crazy crap.

846
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 4: So my question is what the f First of all,

847
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 4: am I the a hole for not believing my wife?

848
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 5: Is this something that can really happen? I know hypnosis

849
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 5: is used by a psychologists and magicians, but don't you

850
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 5: have to consent to be hypnotized? I can just imagine

851
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 5: if we called the cops about this, they would laugh

852
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 5: in our face. I feel sick thinking about this either way.

853
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 5: But even if it's not true, does my wife honestly

854
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 5: believe this? And if she honestly believes, she is under control?

855
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 5: Should I forgive her even if it's not true. Ladies

856
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 5: and gentlemen, we have an update. But first, first question

857
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 5: we have to answer. Am I the ahole for not

858
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 5: believing my wife?

859
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 4: No, you're either dealing with someone who has legit powers

860
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 4: or your wife is cheating on you and freaked out

861
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 4: when you confronted her and attached onto this, because that

862
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 4: makes more sense than I'm a bad person and I

863
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 4: cheated on you.

864
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 5: I think that, like, this is such an insane situation.

865
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 5: I feel like op's kind of previous thing of like,

866
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 5: let me just like get out as smoothly and cleanly

867
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 5: and effectively as possible, because like, I feel like any

868
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 5: more time spent with this person, it's like it's so

869
00:36:58,640 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 5: I don't know.

870
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 2: Once you say I'm.

871
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 5: Eypnotized, it's I don't know how we can what we

872
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 5: can do from there?

873
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 2: Where we can work from there? Yeah, I don't I

874
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 2: don't know where we're going. But anyway, that's yeah, it's

875
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: just it's a it's a nonsense scenario. You, Yeah, it's

876
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: she's she's cooked.

877
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 5: Well, Ladies and gentlemen, Uh, the dinger on the oven

878
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 5: has just got off, and we're going.

879
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 2: To see how cooked. She really is. Let's get into

880
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: this updates boy.

881
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 5: So, a couple of people asked for updates, and I

882
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 5: was initially a reticence, but after everything that happened, I

883
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 5: wanted to share what I learned. I appreciate people's input,

884
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 5: especially on the hypnosis part and how that works, but

885
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 5: to be honest, I think most of y'all were a

886
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 5: little harsh on me, and it was kind of a

887
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 5: dumb move on my part to post the situation online

888
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 5: when nobody replying knows me or my wife at all.

889
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: I think y'all were a little harsh on me.

890
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 4: The Internet, the internet, the voice of people talking on

891
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 4: the internet right there.

892
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe that was a little.

893
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 5: Maybe I was crucified, unnecessarily broke.

894
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 2: I got his girl hypnotized, and you cheated on him. Guys,

895
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 2: Let's give him a break.

896
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 5: Let's give him a little break. So I wanted to

897
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 5: update and shed some light on all of that. So

898
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 5: to get the obvious out of the way, we are

899
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 5: getting divorced.

900
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 2: This is good.

901
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 5: I spent a few days at my brother's house, and

902
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 5: while originally I said there was no way I would

903
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 5: ever tell him, finally we got pretty wasted and I

904
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 5: spilled everything and showed him the text for my wife too,

905
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 5: where she was insisting that she was under control and

906
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 5: that she would never choose to do this to me.

907
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 5: To his credit, he didn't mock or make fun of

908
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,439
Speaker 5: me at all, and since, unlike Reddit, he actually knows

909
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 5: my wife, his perspective was honestly helpful and gave me

910
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 5: some things to think about that I hadn't considered before.

911
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 5: And I kind of wish that I had just talked

912
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 5: to him in the first place, but I was so

913
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 5: humiliated I could only talk about it anonymously.

914
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:50,959
Speaker 2: But here's what he said.

915
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 5: He agreed that my wife is very weak in a

916
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 5: guldble person, someone who can be easily manipulated, and maybe

917
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 5: she believed she was mind controlled, But he said that

918
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 5: doesn't make her innocent on this. I mean, that is

919
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 5: definitely at least a more plausible scenario if you're like,

920
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,959
Speaker 5: literally the most gullible person on planet freaking Earth.

921
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 4: Right, maybe that's the other half of it is, Okay,

922
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 4: so she's just gullible, But now it's like, my wife

923
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 4: is so gullible she can get hypnotized by her co workers.

924
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, into cheating on me. Yeah, So I still don't

925
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 5: want to stay. Yeah, yeah, where we are, it's a wash.

926
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 5: He made a comparison to people who joined cults or

927
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,959
Speaker 5: spend thousands of dollars in online romance scams. The latter

928
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 5: one hit home because we have a relative who was

929
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 5: involved in this. They're families and loved ones. Try to

930
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 5: get them out and show them the facts, but they

931
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 5: continue rationalizing and believing what they want to believe for

932
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 5: the sake of fantasy, of the romance or the religion.

933
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 5: They may be a victim, but they're not innocent, and

934
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 5: I get it. I can absolutely see that kind of

935
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 5: behavior in my wife, where she is willing to excuse

936
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 5: and stick up for people who treat her like dirts,

937
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 5: but not stick up for herself or the people who

938
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 5: are important to her, to where she is willing to

939
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 5: stay under the thumb of anyone who will think for

940
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 5: her and make decisions for her. So the way we

941
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 5: got together is I kind of saved her from a

942
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 5: bad relationship she was in, and I think she's kind

943
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 5: of addicted to the dynamic, to be honest, letting someone

944
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 5: control her or being saved. So I realized after talking

945
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 5: to my brother, even if my wife believes she is

946
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 5: mine controlled. Can I really go on with my life

947
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 5: with someone who would let herself be this deluded to

948
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 5: maybe risk our finances, our future children's safety, et cetera.

949
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 2: No, we can't do it.

950
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 5: I don't think I ever would have stayed with her

951
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 5: after this, obviously, but my brother's ad Rice really made

952
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 5: things clear to me in a way that I hadn't

953
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 5: thought of before. So now, what happened with my wife,

954
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 5: you might be asking.

955
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 4: Yes, she developed mysterious powers of her own.

956
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 3: Ah.

957
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 5: I did have to go back to our place and

958
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 5: get some of my stuff, and honestly, I did want

959
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 5: to talk to her, I guess to try to get

960
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,720
Speaker 5: closure and make her hear my perspective and maybe try

961
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 5: to shake some sense into her one last time. Like

962
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 5: I do still care about her, and I wanted to

963
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 5: try and figure her crap out and never do something

964
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 5: like this again. So we talked, and the first thing

965
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 5: I told her was that we are getting divorced, and

966
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 5: she could not change my mind. Can't change your mind,

967
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 5: you say, what if I hypnotize you, dude?

968
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 4: Yes, And then my wife put her fingers to her

969
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 4: temple and she can.

970
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 2: And then suddenly I started thinking this was fine.

971
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 5: You will stay married to me and let me sleep

972
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 5: with my super hot coworker because he's a dime piece.

973
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, all of a sudden, her head started pulsating and

974
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 4: my thoughts suddenly changed.

975
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 5: So the first thing I told her was that we

976
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 5: were getting divorced and she could not change my mind.

977
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 2: There was a lot of crying after that.

978
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 5: Next I asked her if this was all a lie

979
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 5: or does she really believe she was hypnotized, because I

980
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 5: very bluntly told her mind control is not real and

981
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 5: hypnosis doesn't work unless you consent to it. And I said, okay,

982
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 5: why don't you tell me or someone to get help?

983
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 5: And she said his control prevented her. I told her

984
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 5: that if she really believed this is true, she needed

985
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 5: to contact her HR department and the police. Indeed, but

986
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 5: I think she just needs mental help and she is

987
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 5: willing to sacrifice our marriage for her spicy related fantasy,

988
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 5: and I hope one day she can admit that it

989
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 5: was her fantasy. She didn't argue too much with that,

990
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 5: but she didn't admit it either, And she showed me

991
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 5: her text to the guy where she told him his

992
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 5: control was broken and it was over, he said, and

993
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 5: I quote, that's fine. I already got everything I wanted. Anyway,

994
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 5: What the what's going on here?

995
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: Is?

996
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: This? Is this guy a hypn It's just criminal.

997
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 5: So she ruined her happiness for someone like that A

998
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 5: hard pill to swallow for me and for her. So

999
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 5: I told her I had to go. And she asked

1000
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 5: if we could stay in touch her befriends, and I said.

1001
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: No, you'll have to hypnotize me for me to be

1002
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: down for that got him.

1003
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 5: We will talk through lawyers from now on. Not to

1004
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 5: be harsh, but I don't want to feed her fantasy

1005
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 5: that I will still save her somehow.

1006
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 2: But I encourage her to get help.

1007
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 5: We do have a little bit left here, Dakota, but

1008
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 5: I am to know you and produce a kios.

1009
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: Closing thoughts on this insane story.

1010
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 4: Don't let yourself get hypnotized, dude.

1011
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: You never know.

1012
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 4: One day you're just gonna wake up robbing a bank

1013
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 4: in Nova Scotia. You're gonna say, oh God, I shouldn't

1014
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 4: have talked to Jerry in accounting. Now I'm hypnotized robbing

1015
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 4: this bank. Shouldn't have done it. Look, this is crazy,

1016
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 4: and yeah, she probably she needs to figure out what

1017
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 4: has driven her to pursue this in her life and

1018
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 4: then hopefully change her pattern of behavior. Yeah, because it's

1019
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 4: definitely got to be a crazy control thing. She's someone

1020
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 4: to tell her what to do.

1021
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's honestly, this is above my payground, this one.

1022
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: I don't even know. Keon, what are your what are

1023
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 2: your closing thoughts?

1024
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,959
Speaker 6: This is one of the craziest lies. Like you said, John,

1025
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 6: I've never heard anything where just take take it, get

1026
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 6: you got caught. Great, great, you got caught. But now

1027
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 6: you're just gonna look dumb and get caught. Yeah right,

1028
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 6: I don't know. That's one of the craziest things. I

1029
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 6: was hypnotized. Sorry, that's on you love.

1030
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, just the just the complete like no, no, no weight,

1031
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 4: It's not what it looks like.

1032
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 3: I'm hypnotized.

1033
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 4: Oh but oh but I can tell you about it

1034
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 4: now but not before, but now because blah blah blah blah,

1035
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 4: because of the position of the moon and the stars,

1036
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 4: I have broken the spell.

1037
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: Mercury, we are free.

1038
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 6: Also the guy that she cheated with the hypnotist after

1039
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 6: him saying that, yeah, I I want to talk to

1040
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 6: this guy. I want to go up and I'm like, yo,

1041
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 6: you are you are a scumbag?

1042
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1043
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, this guy is filthy clearly? Uh because who else

1044
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 4: who will fall? He is actually a hypnotist? Who who

1045
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 4: else is he doing this to?

1046
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 5: I truly think I think we need a little investigation

1047
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 5: on him, because he is It's it's too sus It's

1048
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 5: beyond just like dating a married a person's spouse, like

1049
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 5: or hooking up with a married person's spouse. I should say, well,

1050
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 5: ladies and gentlemen, we have a finale to this insane saga.

1051
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's dive right into it. Boys.

1052
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 5: As for me, I'm gonna stay single for a while,

1053
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 5: and to be honest, I should probably rethink what kind

1054
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 5: of woman I want to and try to find a

1055
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 5: gal who is more independent and doesn't need to be

1056
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 5: saved per se. But in the meantime, I always wanted

1057
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 5: a dog, and my soon to be ex wife is allergic,

1058
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 5: so I think I am gonna start there.

1059
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 4: My wife is planning an affair, but she doesn't know

1060
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 4: that I already know DIASP gasp. Before being married, my

1061
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 4: wife and I texted some spicy photos and videos to

1062
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 4: a guy she used to hook up with before she

1063
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 4: met me, she still had the hots for her and

1064
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 4: it was something that we did together to spice up

1065
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 4: our spicy sleep life. By the way, this comes from

1066
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 4: user to throwaway Sad Guy one two three, and if

1067
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 4: you want to submit your own stories, go to the

1068
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 4: r slash. Okay, storytime subburned it, so he sent us

1069
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 4: back really nice notes and got real really into us. Uh,

1070
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 4: which is always good to receive positive feedback.

1071
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 2: You know. He's like, hey, here's some notes.

1072
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 5: You know you're angle if you just shifted your angle

1073
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 5: three degrees?

1074
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: Oh god? Yeah, and that made her feel good.

1075
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,919
Speaker 4: This was something that we did together, so we both

1076
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 4: got a benefit. She was a lot more frisky, more confident,

1077
00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 4: and we had some amazing spicy sleeps. I suppose, oh

1078
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 4: is it excited me to know that I had something

1079
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 4: that he wanted, As stupid as that sounds. After that experience,

1080
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 4: she was very open that he would text randomly, but

1081
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 4: she never responded. She even showed me the phone to

1082
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 4: prove that she was honoring our relationship and not doing

1083
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 4: anything behind my back. Okay, now fast forward three years

1084
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 4: and we are married. I approached my wife in October

1085
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 4: about our spicy sleep life losing passion. My wife is

1086
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 4: the type of girl where we can talk about these

1087
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 4: sorts of things and be completely open and honest with

1088
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 4: one another. She understood, and we promised to work on it. Yes,

1089
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 4: she understood that she was going to go call that guy.

1090
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: Oops.

1091
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 5: Oops, Yeah, I'm gonna get my spicy sleep life better.

1092
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 2: Hello other guys.

1093
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 4: Yes, hello, guy who would give me those great notes

1094
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 4: all the time make me feel good.

1095
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: Yes, I've got a new piece for some new notes.

1096
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 4: Around Halloween time, she mentioned it might be fun to

1097
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 4: text that same guy Eric. I was game because it

1098
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 4: worked so well for us last time. We sent him

1099
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 4: a video slash picture and my wife got real, real

1100
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 4: excited about it and we had some crazy horizontal mambo.

1101
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 2: Oh.

1102
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 4: Everyone likes getting attention and feeling attractive, so I get

1103
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,479
Speaker 4: why she had that reaction. I sometimes wish I would

1104
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 4: get noticed more by the opposite gender. However, this time,

1105
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 4: the texting continued beyond that.

1106
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: One day, she was very.

1107
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 4: Open and honest with me that they would check in

1108
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 4: with each other and text a little throughout the day.

1109
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 4: After this went on for about a week, I confronted

1110
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 4: her about him and all the texting. She confessed that

1111
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 4: they had been texting more and that she was really

1112
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 4: enjoying the conversation and attention from him. I told her

1113
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 4: that I would prefer her to keep the attention more

1114
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 4: spicy related, like sending pictures opposed to talking about real

1115
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 4: life thing.

1116
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: Okay, that's so funny.

1117
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 4: He's like, so I saw the messages and like, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1118
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 4: all the pictures and stuff that those were great, But

1119
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 4: what's up with you telling him about that dentist appointment?

1120
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 2: Bro is living in opposite world.

1121
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 5: He's like, hey, listen, you can't talk about this like

1122
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 5: a cool new show that you've been watching that you

1123
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 5: think is like a good record or whatever. But like,

1124
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 5: if you just keep taking pictures of your Badonka dog

1125
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 5: for him, that'd be amazing.

1126
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1127
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, seventeen Badonka Donk photos. Cool cool, cool, cool, amazing.

1128
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 2: You're you're talking about which toothpaste?

1129
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: Do you prefer?

1130
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: What's up with that? That's too real? That's for me,

1131
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 2: that's real. Those are for me. Wow.

1132
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 4: I said I would feel more comfortable if this was

1133
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 4: purely a spicy related thing, and that she wasn't off

1134
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 4: having an emotional affair.

1135
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 2: She agreed and reiterated that the.

1136
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 4: Guy lives out of the country and she isn't interested

1137
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 4: in leaving me for him more jeopardizing our marriage. It's

1138
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,479
Speaker 4: just refreshing to talk to someone new, and he makes

1139
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 4: her feel good. After this period, I noticed that she

1140
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 4: has been a little weird with her phone, going in

1141
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 4: other rooms to text, take making the phone with her

1142
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 4: in the shower, and really not letting it out of sight.

1143
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 4: The very next day, she sent me to very spicy

1144
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 4: photos and a video, which was totally out of character.

1145
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, hey, what are you doing send that to me?

1146
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 4: Send that to Eric that those aren't for me.

1147
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: You's so right.

1148
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 2: I want to know about.

1149
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 4: What Becca, your coworker said this morning when you guys

1150
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 4: were eating snacks.

1151
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 2: Dude. I figured that she probably just made them for

1152
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 2: him and just sent them to me.

1153
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 4: Oh no, all right, you got okay, okay, that's just

1154
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 4: an interesting arrangement, sloppy seconds. When I asked her about it,

1155
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 4: she said that she made them only for me, that

1156
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 4: she was just trying to do something nice. I called

1157
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 4: her bluff and she showed me her phone. Sure enough,

1158
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 4: the pictures were not there in her text to him. However,

1159
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 4: I took it one step further and asked to see

1160
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 4: her computer, which also shows her texts, and voila, there

1161
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 4: they were.

1162
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:58,959
Speaker 1: Oh.

1163
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 4: She lied to me, sent him the photos to and

1164
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 4: then deleted the texts off of her phone, not realizing

1165
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 4: that those texts would still exist on her computer. We

1166
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,760
Speaker 4: had a very long talk about boundaries. At this point,

1167
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 4: I told her that if she continues to talk to him,

1168
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 4: then she needs to be honest with me. That there

1169
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 4: shouldn't be anything that she says to him that would

1170
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 4: hurt my feelings or that she would want to hide.

1171
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 4: She also promised never to ever see him or call him,

1172
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 4: just send flirty texts. I explained that if I ever

1173
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,959
Speaker 4: found out that they met or were intimate, I would

1174
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 4: be devastated and it would be the end of our

1175
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 4: two year marriage. I reiterated that these spicy photos is

1176
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 4: something that we used to do together that benefited us both,

1177
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 4: and now it seems to be single sided. After this point,

1178
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 4: I got really suspicious of her, since I already caught

1179
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 4: her in one lie, so I thought of a plan.

1180
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 4: I got her old computer out of the closet, which

1181
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 4: still had her Apple ID auto filled, so I could

1182
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 4: monitor their messages. I would do this monitoring when she

1183
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 4: was not around, and there was no risk of getting

1184
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 4: caught snooping through her phone or primary computer. I was devastated.

1185
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 4: They talk about work, her business, my dog, and random stuff.

1186
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, there were a lot.

1187
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 4: Of spicy related stuff too, But I was devastated because

1188
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 4: you could tell she actually has feelings for him.

1189
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 2: Hayekota. I've got an idea.

1190
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 5: Let's go to a bank robber and secretly plant a

1191
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 5: camera in his hat and we'll see him robbing banks.

1192
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 5: But I'm gonna be if he robs a bank, I'm

1193
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 5: gonna be devastated.

1194
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be completely crest lord. I just shocked, beyond belief,

1195
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 4: hollowed out. Yeah, I'm gonna say I can't believe it.

1196
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 2: Man.

1197
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 4: They would often reminisce about how much chemistry they had

1198
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 4: and how the spicy sleep was amazing. She even admit

1199
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 4: that she's bummed when she doesn't hear from him. Brother,

1200
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 4: they just said that they're sleeping together. You just glazed

1201
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 4: over that.

1202
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 2: Oh something was glazed over. Oh you got it. I

1203
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 2: teed it up, you took it home. There we go.

1204
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 2: To be fair, she never bad mouthed me our marriage

1205
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 2: or said anything negative about me at all.

1206
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 4: But the real devastation occurred when she asked if he

1207
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 4: would ever be interested in meeting up.

1208
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 2: She asked him, not the other way around.

1209
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 4: She's sending him naked photos already all day. I'm concerned

1210
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 4: from that already.

1211
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:50,919
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.

1212
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 4: She even joked that they would have to meet in

1213
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 4: a very public place because her clothes wouldn't last five minutes,

1214
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 4: to which he replied, you'd be in trouble even in public.

1215
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 2: Now two months have.

1216
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: Passed, two months have passed.

1217
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to keep going.

1218
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: I'm leaving the.

1219
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 2: Five minutes after I read that, I'm out. We have

1220
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 2: to stay in the marriage. I'm out. We have to

1221
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: stay for life.

1222
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 7: Five minutes after I read my clothes aren't lasting five minutes,

1223
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 7: it's sent by my wife to another guy who she's.

1224
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 2: Told me she's not. Don't worry about this guy. Don't

1225
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,959
Speaker 2: worry about him. I'm leaving. Just keep just keep going.

1226
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 2: I can't recover from that.

1227
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 4: Internally, I'm broken from that, saying, ooh, gonna go ahead

1228
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 4: and try to rebuild myself for two years and then

1229
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 4: try that again.

1230
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 2: Quitters never quit.

1231
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 4: Wow, houly crap. Now two months have passed. Here we

1232
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 4: and they've been chatting pretty much every day perfect. They

1233
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 4: have brought up the meeting several times and hammered out

1234
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 4: of date December twenty eighth, as he will be in

1235
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 4: town near where her dad lives. She did mention that

1236
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,760
Speaker 4: they need to go over rules, but no specifics were mentioned.

1237
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 2: His reply was, no, pennies is rule number one? Oh

1238
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 2: what is going on? Brother?

1239
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 1: Do you? Is this your kink?

1240
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 2: I don't know how you do this for two months

1241
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 2: without it being something you're kind of enjoying.

1242
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 5: I think we need to try it for twenty more

1243
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 5: years and to see why.

1244
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 2: I play out this entire time.

1245
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 4: I've been trying to act normal around my wife, even

1246
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 4: though I am really really hurting on the inside.

1247
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 2: I'm doing my best to keep cool.

1248
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 4: I even make snyde remarks like maybe you should go

1249
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 4: text your boyfriend and stuff like that. We even had

1250
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 4: a conversation that I worry she thinks about him more

1251
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 4: than me, and that when we're intimate.

1252
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 2: She is thinking of him.

1253
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 4: She said I was acting crazy and that isn't the

1254
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 4: case at all, that I get her going, and that

1255
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 4: they don't really text much anymore, which is a lie

1256
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 4: because I read them all and know that they text

1257
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:06,919
Speaker 4: almost every day. Hey, hey, listeners, if that sounds like you,

1258
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 4: break up with your partner. If you're spying every day

1259
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 4: on your partner and her new boyfriend, it's time for

1260
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 4: you to get a new relationship.

1261
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 2: Hey.

1262
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 5: I want to put cameras in my house so someone

1263
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 5: can rob me of all the valuables that I don't

1264
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 5: want to lose, of my prize positions and all my money.

1265
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 2: But I don't want to stop them.

1266
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 5: I just want to keep looking at the security visage

1267
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 5: and watching them walk away and doing nothing about it.

1268
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: That's just what I want to do, unless we.

1269
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 4: Want to be a part of the hit early two

1270
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 4: thousands Discovery lifestyle show It Takes a Thief. Now that

1271
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 4: their rendezvous is approaching, I don't know what to do leave.

1272
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 4: She has already told me that she plans to take

1273
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,720
Speaker 4: time off work after Christmas. When I press the issue,

1274
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 4: she said that she just wants to spend time with

1275
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 4: me and have a staycation. I'm guessing that she will

1276
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 4: lie on the twenties seventh or twenty eight and say

1277
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 4: that her dad is sick and that she wants to

1278
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 4: go check on him or something like that.

1279
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 2: I feel like I need to know the truth?

1280
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 4: Is she going to meet with him even though it

1281
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 4: would violate the boundary we set?

1282
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: Rather you know the truth.

1283
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 4: I just need to know the truth. If I took

1284
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 4: this hammer and smashed my hand with it, would the

1285
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 4: bones in my hand be broken?

1286
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 2: I'm having a mental crash out right now.

1287
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 5: We know it broke my all my bones to first

1288
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 5: eleven times? But what about the twelve No one's ever

1289
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 5: done this twelve times?

1290
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 2: Exactly? It might change?

1291
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 4: Oh truly, I am an adventurer of science. Do I

1292
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 4: hire a PI to investigate and document the encounter? You

1293
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 4: should just cut yourself a check and pay yourself for

1294
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 4: all of the slew thing you did?

1295
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 2: Yeah? This is uh? Do I hire a PI?

1296
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: Is the craziest thing.

1297
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 4: I've heard in this whole story. You've already done all

1298
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 4: of the eye. There's nothing left. There's no eye left

1299
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 4: to do in that. Oh my god, it's over. Oh

1300
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 4: you found it?

1301
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 2: You won do?

1302
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 4: I just monitor their texts and see if any exchanges

1303
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 4: indicate intimacy If I confront her now, I feel like

1304
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 4: the truth would haunt me forever. I feel like I

1305
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 4: have to know if she's cheater. We have no kids, however,

1306
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 4: we do each own our own, separate and unrelated businesses.

1307
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 4: I make much more than her, and I have another

1308
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 4: house in my name from before I met her. I

1309
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 4: don't know if I want to walk away or make

1310
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 4: it work. I don't think I can forgive her for

1311
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 4: having a premeditated affair in violating terms we had specifically outlined.

1312
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 4: What if they aren't intimate and they keep things innocent,

1313
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 4: should I still feel violated? And there's an update?

1314
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 2: Oh, I really wanted comments.

1315
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,439
Speaker 1: We already know exactly what we're thinking and how we feel.

1316
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 4: Is that?

1317
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 2: What was that line? Oh? I want to know if

1318
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 2: she's a cheater?

1319
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: She's I think she's cheating on you, dude.

1320
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 2: I think she might be.

1321
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 4: She's figured out how did she on you when like,

1322
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 4: sending spicy texts isn't even cheating.

1323
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 2: That's true? So she's really really a hole in the

1324
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 2: fence here. She's really just like going for it. Maybe

1325
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 2: like she's like, I I will make sure that I

1326
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 2: cheat on this person. But do we really know? I

1327
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 2: think we do? Do we think?

1328
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 4: I think if you're on the vibes of I've even

1329
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 4: let them send spicy messages and I'm still like, is

1330
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 4: this okay?

1331
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: It's not okay, it's not okay, it's not and she.

1332
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 2: Is okay with that. Yeah, I'm confused.

1333
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 5: I'm just completely lost with this man, because if he

1334
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 5: likes it, then it's like, all right, just maybe he's

1335
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 5: like ashamed.

1336
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 2: I don't know what the case is.

1337
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 5: But then on the other hand, if he's truly asking,

1338
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 5: like is this cheating, it's like a brother.

1339
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, let's do an update. Folks. Here we go.

1340
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 4: We're still doing this. You've got an update. I took

1341
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 4: into consideration all of your comments and decided that I

1342
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 4: would confront her without divulging everything I know.

1343
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 2: Oh.

1344
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 4: I approached her and asked if she was still texting Eric,

1345
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 4: and she replied on occasion. While this isn't entirely truthful,

1346
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 4: it was at least a step in the right direction.

1347
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 4: I went on to say that I was really uncomfortable

1348
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 4: with the whole situation, and that I felt she was

1349
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 4: talking to him too much behind my back, that I

1350
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 4: didn't even realize that she was still texting him, and

1351
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,439
Speaker 4: that obviously she was doing a better job at being

1352
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 4: discreet about it. She got kind of defensive, saying that

1353
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 4: their conversations are completely innocent and that he lives far

1354
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 4: away and there's no way that they could ever meet again.

1355
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 2: This is a total lie.

1356
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 4: My response to her was, if the conversations are totally innocent,

1357
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 4: and you value and respect our marriage, then you should

1358
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 4: have no problems stopping all communications with him. You could

1359
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 4: tell she was upset about the whole situation and even

1360
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,919
Speaker 4: brought up the topic later that day. She asked again

1361
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 4: why she has to stop talking to him when everything

1362
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 4: was innocent, and then later called me controlling. She then

1363
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 4: showed me the messages back and forth between her and Eric.

1364
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 4: Immediately I knew that she had filtered many of the

1365
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 4: messages back and forth, both getting rid of the most

1366
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 4: risque stuff and reducing the frequency. After this, I asked her,

1367
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 4: point blank to her face if she had altered or

1368
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 4: deleted any of the messages. She looked at me with

1369
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 4: a really sad face, paused, and said yes. Then she

1370
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 4: started to cry and came clean on everything. She admitted

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01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 4: that she had feelings for him and that she really

1372
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 4: does enjoy talking to him. She also admitted that he

1373
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 4: had asked to meet and that it was something that

1374
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 4: she sort of wanted to do, and this is somewhat untrue.

1375
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 4: And she was the one who asked if he wanted

1376
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 4: to meet She said she wanted to meet him to

1377
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 4: see if there was any leftover chemistry and to get closure.

1378
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 4: She said she was mostly curious what it would be

1379
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 4: like to see him, not that she would go there

1380
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 4: to specifically have the spicy sleep with him.

1381
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: We do have a little bit more story here, John Keon.

1382
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: I mean, we all know what we're thinking, we all

1383
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: know what we're feeling.

1384
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 4: Like, what would you say to someone your friend sits

1385
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 4: you down and is laying this out in front of you? Yeah,

1386
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 4: what do you say to them once they have taken

1387
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 4: a breath?

1388
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 2: I think we might have to stand up and walk

1389
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 2: out the door.

1390
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 4: Dang, you're not even you just stand up and go.

1391
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 4: I got to get some ayor out front. I'm I

1392
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 4: think I'm legitimately like like, dude, like do is this?

1393
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 2: Like? Like why I got that?

1394
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 5: That's truly the only only word that can come to

1395
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 5: my brain now is why, because I don't I don't understand.

1396
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 5: It's like back in school, right, they had like the

1397
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 5: answer sheet to the test. You gave me the answer

1398
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 5: sheet and you're like, but what are the answers now?

1399
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 4: Right, they're in your hands, you're holding the answers, they're

1400
01:02:57,840 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 4: right in front of you, and you're going like.

1401
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: Oh, what is this language?

1402
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 2: What are these symbols? I don't I don't know what

1403
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 2: I'm looking at. I'm doing. I'm staring at Bro like this.

1404
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 4: For all of our listeners. Kean just pulled up a

1405
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 4: picture of the of Donkey from Shrek. Donkey from Shrek,

1406
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 4: just blank face, staring straight ahead.

1407
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 2: Look.

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01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 4: After she came clean and opened up about mostly everything,

1409
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 4: I felt much better about the situation.

1410
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,959
Speaker 2: Let's go go, you've gone.

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01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 4: She promised that she would stop talking to him and

1412
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 4: would not see him. I looked her in the eye

1413
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 4: and told her that if she doesn't cut ties with him,

1414
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 4: or if she sees him, that I would file for divorce.

1415
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 2: Scary threats.

1416
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 4: She still does not know that I am monitoring their

1417
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 4: conversations and know everything from start to finish. And that

1418
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 4: is the end of the story. Oh my god, Hey,

1419
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 4: it's John ere og host here.

1420
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 2: We're gonna get back to the stories. But here's a

1421
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 2: quick three minute break of ASTHM form our sponsors.

1422
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: I saw suspicious messages on my wife's phone.

1423
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 3: She's saying, I'm just crazy.

1424
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: I swear it's not what you think.

1425
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 3: So my wife and I have been together for eight

1426
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:22,439
Speaker 3: years two year marriage. Like any relationship, we had our

1427
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 3: ups and downs, but we had always been respectful to

1428
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 3: each other about our private lives. No jealousy, no spying, nothing.

1429
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 3: She was the one that healed me after my previous

1430
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 3: relationship I'd been cheated on. By the way, this comes

1431
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 3: from coot yaps and if you want to submit your

1432
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 3: own stories, go to the r slash. Okay, storytime, subread it.

1433
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 3: So I'm close with her family members, especially with her

1434
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 3: mother and grandmother, and they love me as a son.

1435
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 3: Her friends see me as a perfect husband.

1436
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't toot your own horn.

1437
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 3: Yeah I could kinda say, I am all right it.

1438
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 3: Oh man man man Man definitely has got a little

1439
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 3: little I.

1440
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: Can trust you.

1441
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 3: If you kid, I'm the perfect time, I am the

1442
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 3: per He's like, he's not saying, I guess he is.

1443
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 3: He's like, they say I'm the perfect husband, and I agree,

1444
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 3: and I agree. I knew this guy, let's name him Jake.

1445
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 3: And my wife had a sister brother relationship that started

1446
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 3: a year ago where they shared some stuff online like

1447
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 3: hardships et cetera. And they even met me and talked

1448
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 3: to me, and of course, being eight years younger than

1449
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 3: my wife, I also saw him as a little brother.

1450
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,439
Speaker 3: I even met his parents. But two weeks ago, when

1451
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 3: we were at our cousin's house, we visited there to

1452
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 3: buy a new house in the neighborhood, and he was

1453
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 3: there too. I got chills down my spine, like something

1454
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 3: is wrong with this guy. And just as I'm thinking it,

1455
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 3: they went to a separate room to discuss a personal matter.

1456
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 8: Jake had, Mmm, what kind of personal matter.

1457
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 3: I got from Salami?

1458
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 2: In my bad sue.

1459
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 8: We don't have to say it out loud, and we

1460
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 8: could have just used him.

1461
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 3: You can still use your imagination. I just gave them more.

1462
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 1: We're starting a little bit more to imagine.

1463
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yikes, yikes. My mind was giving me so many alarms,

1464
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 3: but I told myself, don't be ridiculous. But when they

1465
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 3: got out of the room, their faces were kind of reddish,

1466
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 3: and I just thought the room must be hot. But

1467
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 3: of course my mind would not stop thinking about it.

1468
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 3: This was a different feeling, like I trusted this girl

1469
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 3: one hundred percent through eight years, and now my mind

1470
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 3: was not letting it go weird, I said, and it

1471
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 3: decided that I have to go talk to my wife

1472
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 3: about this and see how she reacts. She was calm

1473
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 3: and told me things like, are you jealous? He's like

1474
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 3: a brother than me, and that's funny. And when I asked,

1475
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 3: can I see what he writes to you on your phone?

1476
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 3: She said okay, but immediately explained that they call themselves

1477
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 3: my love sometimes as a joke.

1478
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense.

1479
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 3: So that conversation was over. She was a little resentful

1480
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 3: after this, though, saying I'm just a little irritated. You

1481
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 3: can think this way. I could still not let it

1482
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,439
Speaker 3: go for two days because my gut feeling was giving

1483
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 3: me so much. Something is a miss vibe here, and

1484
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 3: I was feeling so bad and I had to learn more.

1485
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 3: So I read all the messages they'd sent each other

1486
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 3: secretly weirdly at first months ago. There were a few

1487
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 3: red flags which I would not like but still could

1488
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 3: turn a blind I too, like, you're very handsome, it's.

1489
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: Just another literary inside.

1490
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 3: Joke, and him calling my wife you're like my real sister.

1491
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 2: Okay, wait wait, it's circled back.

1492
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 3: Around and back around.

1493
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 2: And it's weird.

1494
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 3: It's weird, you're really handsome as an odd one, Yeah.

1495
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 8: You're really handsome, followed by you're like my real sister.

1496
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 3: I feel like I feel like her saying you're really handsome,

1497
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 3: and him saying you're like my real blood sister.

1498
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 1: Maybe he's trying to put it.

1499
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 3: He's pumping the brakes.

1500
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like, I love you like a sister.

1501
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1502
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like she is trying to.

1503
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 8: She's trying to put on the gas on the gas,

1504
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 8: and he's trying to pump breaks.

1505
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 3: But as I got close, sir to the president, I

1506
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 3: saw these messages. If you were any younger, I would

1507
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 3: totally take you as my boyfriend. I swear, don't call

1508
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 3: me sister again in any case. Ha haja. K sends photo.

1509
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 8: Love lady, my favorite Tucker. I'm sexy in those photos, though.

1510
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 3: Not just in photos, my baby, you were always sexy.

1511
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 3: I miss you so much. I forgot to apply to

1512
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 3: you my love.

1513
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: I missed you too so much.

1514
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 3: It's okay, baby, set a pick to me. I haven't

1515
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 3: seen you a while. Shows new haircut. Did you like

1516
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 3: my hair? It's just like you like it?

1517
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:35,640
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm thinking it's starting to fall in love with you.

1518
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 3: Weird thing is after these messages, there's also a thanks

1519
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 3: sister message, But I don't know if it's a sign

1520
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 3: of anything. Of course, I talked to her again about

1521
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 3: these conversations, saying that this is Florida, but she was

1522
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 3: so upset and disappointed. Her explanation was they are jokes

1523
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 3: and Z generation talks like that, telling me things like,

1524
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 3: how can you think something like that? He's eight years

1525
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 3: younger than me. I'm so disappointed in you said.

1526
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: I would date you if you were younger. Maybe she

1527
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 1: meant if I were younger.

1528
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 3: Oh, if I were younger.

1529
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 8: Maybe that's what And maybe it's translated. Maybe even if

1530
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 8: I were.

1531
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 3: Younger, i'd date if I was eight years younger.

1532
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 1: That makes a lot more sense than if you were younger.

1533
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, right now. She went to her mother's house, telling

1534
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 3: me she doesn't want to talk about that top again,

1535
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 3: telling me you were the perfect husband. How can you

1536
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:23,599
Speaker 3: do this to us?

1537
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 1: Dang, So everyone thinks he's the perfect test.

1538
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone, dude, everyone including his wife.

1539
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's even my wife thinks it and she's a cheater.

1540
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 3: But of course I'm trying to solve this by going

1541
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 3: to relationships counselors. Et cetera. And talking with my most

1542
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 3: trusted friends, and they all say this type of communication

1543
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 3: between big sister and little brother is so wrong. But

1544
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 3: it's tied to the person's character. I never knew my

1545
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,639
Speaker 3: wife had a habit of stretching the boundaries that much.

1546
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 3: I mean, she sometimes calls younger people my love, et cetera.

1547
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 3: But isn't this conversation a bit much. The last thing

1548
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 3: she told me was, I can't help you if you're

1549
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 3: unwell like this. You have to solve this by yourself.

1550
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 3: We were sweet as heck and she really was a

1551
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 3: trustworthy person. But I don't know what to make of

1552
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 3: the situation. I need some help here. We got an

1553
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 3: edit to the story. I lawyered up Boom boom, nice

1554
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:13,599
Speaker 3: and we are getting a divorce. A lot happened since

1555
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 3: I wrote this post, so I'm going to make another

1556
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 3: post about what happened. She's still holding the idea that

1557
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:21,759
Speaker 3: I accused her and asked for a contested divorce instead

1558
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 3: of consensual for me to prove my allegations, but my

1559
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 3: lawyer says the evidence is quite danging. Don't know why

1560
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:30,640
Speaker 3: she did that. And we got the update. Let's go

1561
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 3: straight into it, so continue the story. She was at

1562
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:35,680
Speaker 3: her mother's and I was home, but I had an

1563
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 3: urgent project to do at the office, so I made

1564
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 3: an ultimatum, saying, come to the house and let's talk.

1565
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:42,600
Speaker 3: I'll be at the office for three days. If you

1566
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 3: don't come, we won't talk at all. She came, but

1567
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 3: generally she told me the same stuff, like he's too young,

1568
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 3: i'd even consider you would think this way, et cetera.

1569
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 3: I also asked her what if the roles were reversed

1570
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 3: and she saw me talking to a young girl like that.

1571
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 3: She told me it's okay. If she's like a sister

1572
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 3: to you and you're close, then that's normal. And I

1573
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 3: also mentioned the lipstick issue, where she sulked about it

1574
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:05,599
Speaker 3: for five months, and then she told me, I believed

1575
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 3: you back then when you said it was a good

1576
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 3: hearted gesture. Why don't you believe me now? What's the

1577
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:11,560
Speaker 3: lipstick issue?

1578
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 1: We weren't told about any lipstick issue.

1579
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 3: I believed you back then when you said it was

1580
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:18,639
Speaker 3: a good hearted gesture. Why don't you believe me now?

1581
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 3: If you don't trust me, was our eight year relationship

1582
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 3: for nothing? And of course, none of these statements were

1583
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 3: fitting my logic, but there were two very spicy related

1584
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,639
Speaker 3: sentences in there. When I mentioned those, she was like, yeah,

1585
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 3: that's inappropriate. I don't know why I said those things,

1586
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 3: the kind of shocked face.

1587
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 1: It's like, oh my god, I said that.

1588
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I must have been in a stupor.

1589
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 3: At the end of the conversation, I said I had

1590
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:41,559
Speaker 3: to go to the office, but before I went, I

1591
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 3: had to do a test. I told her I forgot

1592
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 3: something in the conversation and I wanted to look at

1593
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 3: her phone. She said, okay, went to the other bathroom,

1594
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 3: told me the phone battery had no battery, left, took

1595
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 3: her phone to the toy with her, came out and

1596
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 3: put her phone on charge. She was very careful and

1597
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 3: she was protecting her phone from my gaze and showed

1598
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 3: me only this and I asked about then pulled back

1599
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 3: the phone. She also had a password for the screenlock

1600
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 3: now which she didn't normally have.

1601
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: That's not suspicious at.

1602
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 3: All, very very weird. When I was at the office,

1603
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 3: she sent me two screenshots explaining the two very spicy

1604
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:19,680
Speaker 3: related sentences, telling me all kinds of explanations like it

1605
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 3: was an inside joke. He told me that I told

1606
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 3: him this, etc. But the thing here is that I

1607
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:28,600
Speaker 3: realized she deleted some sentences even when explaining things to me.

1608
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:32,640
Speaker 3: One of them was, don't call me sister in any case, hahajk.

1609
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 3: I calmly returned home. She had already put on her

1610
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 3: outside clothing. I thanked her for the screenshots and explanations,

1611
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 3: but she immediately reacted I didn't send those pictures to

1612
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 3: further discuss this issue. I don't want to talk anymore

1613
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 3: on this, So she's trying to end it.

1614
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, She's like, like, stop bringing up the past.

1615
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:52,879
Speaker 3: But I remained calm and said, I remember this conversation

1616
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 3: was a little bit different. She told me, yeah, I

1617
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 3: traveled back in time and made the conversation again. I asked,

1618
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 3: did you delete anything when you were sending me the screenshot?

1619
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 3: She said, are you joking?

1620
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 1: Of course, not gaslighting, and I.

1621
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:06,639
Speaker 3: Told her she deleted a sentence and a voice message.

1622
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 3: She first told me, yea, I deleted them because I

1623
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 3: was afraid you were going to get angry that. She

1624
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 3: got up and told me we're divorcing anyway, and left

1625
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:14,680
Speaker 3: the house. This was the fourth time she used the

1626
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:17,760
Speaker 3: word divorce in a two year marriage. I called my

1627
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 3: parents told them everything. They were shocked to of course,

1628
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 3: and they were there for me one hundred percent, And

1629
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 3: of course they were stunned the conversation between my wife

1630
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:27,679
Speaker 3: and Jake. I called her mother too and told her everything,

1631
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 3: and she was shocked too. But two days later her

1632
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 3: mother called me again and told me she wanted to

1633
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 3: have a conversation with me and her daughter. Right now,

1634
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 3: I don't even know what she wanted to talk about anymore.

1635
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 3: So they came, and at first their explanations were the same.

1636
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 3: I asked, what about the phone hiding in the password,

1637
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 3: leaving me and telling me we are going to get

1638
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 3: a divorce, and then lying to my face, how can

1639
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 3: I trust you after all these I think that's true. Like,

1640
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:50,799
Speaker 3: I don't know how OPI could trust his wife?

1641
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 1: Well, why would he? She hasn't told the truth even now.

1642
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, not at all, not at all. After that, her

1643
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:58,680
Speaker 3: mother took control of the conversation and told me this,

1644
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,640
Speaker 3: you nitpicked the conversation. When you look at the whole context,

1645
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 3: you don't get any idea of flirting. You just gotta

1646
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 3: look at all the messages.

1647
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 8: If you look at it all to It's like when

1648
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 8: you look at something really close. It doesn't make sense.

1649
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 8: But the when you step back, you realize that the

1650
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 8: whole time it's been a picture of the Eiffel Tower.

1651
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 3: That's true.

1652
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 1: It's just like that, just.

1653
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 3: Like the Eiffel Tower, which I'm sure is happening to

1654
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 3: your wife. Oh d you're like a bad journalist, picking

1655
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 3: only the bad stuff in the whole conversation. I know

1656
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 3: my daughter, and I'm sure she can't do something like that,

1657
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 3: but she's an idiot.

1658
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 2: She doesn't know how I'm talking about her.

1659
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 3: She couldn't discern between talking to a girl and a boy.

1660
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 8: She's she's pleading the insanity. I'm sorry, my daughter is stupid.

1661
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 4: You did it?

1662
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 3: Married a complete dots.

1663
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, she just doesn't understand what the difference between men

1664
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 8: and women are.

1665
01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's still learning. Give her a chance. She also

1666
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 3: attacked me, saying you're a bad husband, which.

1667
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 1: True, not true.

1668
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:09,560
Speaker 8: Everyone including ten and a ten doctors say otherwise.

1669
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 3: You don't set boundaries about how she could talk to

1670
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 3: other people and how free she can be. You were

1671
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 3: letting her see her male friends.

1672
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 1: Well, there you go.

1673
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 3: You didn't set boundaries, opie. You didn't feed her.

1674
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 1: Locker in a closet.

1675
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 3: You didn't locker, and that's not you. I was like,

1676
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 3: what the frick at this moment. Then she asked me,

1677
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 3: if you trust her, I'll leave her here. If you don't,

1678
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 3: I'll take my daughter with me. I told them I

1679
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 3: do not. Lastly, she the mother, told me to call

1680
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 3: my parents and tell them I was wrong. I nitpicked

1681
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 3: the conversation and I called them. My father was like,

1682
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 3: what nonsense is this? That doesn't even work like that,

1683
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 3: and they left the house in a hurry as they

1684
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 3: heard my father's response. Two days later, her mother came alone,

1685
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 3: gave me the ring and the key to the apartment.

1686
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 3: She asked me, I learned you got cheated on in

1687
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 3: your last relationship. Did you also get suspicious for no reason?

1688
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:54,599
Speaker 2: Then? Too?

1689
01:15:55,560 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 1: Wait, that's like that's a terrible that's a terrible what

1690
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 1: like gone? The mom's so meat also like.

1691
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 8: But that doesn't even make sense. She's like, oh, did

1692
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:09,680
Speaker 8: you get suspicious for no reason? And your last relationship

1693
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 8: when you confirmed got.

1694
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 3: Cheated maybe it wasn't confirmed. That isn't Still I'm like,

1695
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 3: I mean, you look at these text messages that we've

1696
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:24,759
Speaker 3: that we've gone over. It is I mean, it's fairly

1697
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 3: obvious over the line. Even the mother's like, my daughter's

1698
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 3: an idiot and doesn't know how to respect boundaries, And

1699
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 3: it's your fault for marrying an idiot and not setting

1700
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 3: boundaries with an idiot.

1701
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, and it's your fault for cheating being suspicious of

1702
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,600
Speaker 8: that she or getting cheated on and being suspicious of

1703
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 8: that cheating literally relationship.

1704
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 3: Everyone in Opie's life is gaslighting him. The perfect husband,

1705
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:52,680
Speaker 3: the perfect, perfect, confirmed, perfect firm, perfect husband, Like, like,

1706
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 3: why why did the most perfect people get the most flack?

1707
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:56,879
Speaker 1: You know, That's what I'm always saying.

1708
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is what you're always saying, Sophia, a known

1709
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 3: perfect person. My friend who was with me told her, no,

1710
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 3: he got the proof, and she confessed, and then she said,

1711
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:09,759
Speaker 3: there was never a disgrace like that in our virtuous

1712
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 3: family for generations. I leave you to your conscience. We

1713
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 3: don't want anything. We are awaiting your uncontested divorce papers.

1714
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 3: What country is this in? Because this is not They're

1715
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:23,599
Speaker 3: definitely not English. Her first language, riley, can we look

1716
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 3: up where a contested divorce happens? Later, I found a lawyer.

1717
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 3: He also told me, I'm one hundred percent in the

1718
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 3: right here, even more so legally. She called twice, first

1719
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 3: to tell me she changed her mind and wanted a

1720
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 3: contested divorce, telling me, you smeared me and you have

1721
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 3: to prove it. The second time, asking about the divorce,

1722
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 3: I told her to talk to my lawyer. Put the

1723
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,680
Speaker 3: hand up. She called my lawyer asking what evidence will

1724
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 3: you submit to the court, and my lawyer told her

1725
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 3: why should I give that information to you? Boom, there's

1726
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 3: another relevant update. But Sophia, what the heck?

1727
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 2: Ah man?

1728
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 1: I think I think divorce is what you gotta do.

1729
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 3: I think divorce is definitely what we got to divorce.

1730
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:08,679
Speaker 3: I mean, this is I feel like it's pretty clear

1731
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 3: cut with these messages that that she's at least, at

1732
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 3: the very least hiding something.

1733
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:13,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1734
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you have you have to plead insanity

1735
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:16,639
Speaker 3: for your daughter.

1736
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 2: It's not it's not.

1737
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 8: I mean yeah, if she's that dumb, then I don't

1738
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:24,440
Speaker 8: know if we want to be in a relationship.

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Speaker 3: Too dumb to be in a relationship. Yeah. Anyway, for

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Speaker 3: two to three weeks, I was really bad, like I

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Speaker 3: didn't want to do anything. But I'm okayish now, sank Strong,

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Speaker 3: even laughing at the series I'm unfortunate eventually, truly, and

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Speaker 3: that is where that story ends.