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Speaker 2: If you can be triggered, it means you're walking around
Speaker 2: with a loaded gun. Seventy percent of the emotional stress
Speaker 2: that we feel on a daily basis comes from our
Speaker 2: body being malnourished. Dave Asby New York Times best selling author.
Speaker 2: He's the founder and CEO of Bulletproof Coffee. We've all
Speaker 2: been shamed for being lazy. Talking about laziness, do you
Speaker 2: only think worse is talking about death. We are living
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Speaker 1: know that I'm curious about biohacking, about becoming better, about
Speaker 1: improving my energy, my focus, my strength. And there's a
Speaker 1: guest that we've had on twice before who I'm so
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Speaker 1: of bio hacking, someone who has brought this movement to
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Speaker 1: over the last two decades, Dave has worked with world
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Speaker 1: does is he makes what could cost a lot of
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Speaker 1: the show, Dave Aspery, Dave third time.
Speaker 2: It's always such a pleasure to get time in person
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 1: I know me too. I really love seeing it, and
Speaker 1: I said it to you today. I see you like
Speaker 1: you know, whenever we're connecting, maybe it's a conference or
Speaker 1: obviously on the podcast. You look better and younger and
Speaker 1: thinner and healthier every time over the last few years.
Speaker 1: And I think that's testament to everything you say working
Speaker 1: and everything you're saying. You're practicing it. And honestly, I
Speaker 1: saw you today and I was just like, who's this
Speaker 1: big bright light in my house? Like think, you know,
Speaker 1: it's really special to obviously practice what you preach, but
Speaker 1: to actually see the benefits you must feel great too.
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel amazing. I wrote a big book
Speaker 2: on longevity that I published a few years ago, and
Speaker 2: I went really deep. For twenty years, I've been running
Speaker 2: a nonprofit and just working in that field, but I
Speaker 2: went really deep, and I started doing this stuff more aggressively.
Speaker 2: And I am now, let's see, eleven years younger than
Speaker 2: my calendar age. And last week I just got some
Speaker 2: gene therapy that'll take another nine years off my measured age,
Speaker 2: So I should test to be about thirty years ars old,
Speaker 2: even though the calendar believes something different.
Speaker 1: What is that measuring? So I've heard people talk about
Speaker 1: measuring the age before. How is that calculating? Obviously we
Speaker 1: know how your calendar age marks, but how are they
Speaker 1: calculating a biological age? Like?
Speaker 2: What does that look like?
Speaker 1: What are the processes?
Speaker 2: You draw a little bit of blood and then they
Speaker 2: look at something called DNA methylation about eight hundred thousand
Speaker 2: different data points and you can say, well, normal people
Speaker 2: have this much methylation in this pattern, but people who
Speaker 2: are younger look this way. So if you take two
Speaker 2: people's blood, you should be able to tell their age,
Speaker 2: but if they take my blood, they get a much
Speaker 2: younger age. So this is now the gold standard for
Speaker 2: measuring how old you are. There's other more affordable tests
Speaker 2: like biome has an age that's based on a lot
Speaker 2: of things that are happening in your gut, back tire,
Speaker 2: and in your body. And then there's old fashioned blood
Speaker 2: telomere tests that don't work very well.
Speaker 1: So yeah, don't trust those ones. You may feel like
Speaker 1: you're ten years old a bit, but that's not accurate. Well,
Speaker 1: I want to dive into this new book. There are
Speaker 1: so many chapters that really stood out to me as
Speaker 1: well going and I picked out some lines here that
Speaker 1: really kind of hit me. This one I thought was huge.
Speaker 1: And I love how you start the book on laziness
Speaker 1: and you talk about tapping into the power of laziness,
Speaker 1: and I was just thinking, this is so true because
Speaker 1: whenever anyone's trying to shift their health, whether it's biohacking,
Speaker 1: whether it's mental health, whatever it may be, laziness seems
Speaker 1: to be like this big elephant in the room. Right,
Speaker 1: It's like that thing that slows you down, it makes
Speaker 1: you lax. It feels like it's negative. But you say
Speaker 1: you're not lazy, your body is, and you talk about
Speaker 1: tapping into the power of laziness. Tell me how you
Speaker 1: do that and what does that mean? Because I think
Speaker 1: a lot of you're gonna make a lot of people
Speaker 1: happy today.
Speaker 2: I will, But even talking about laziness, the only thing
Speaker 2: worse is talking about death. I mean people they don't
Speaker 2: want to do it. So when I would do an
Speaker 2: Instagram post about laziness, people would just not watch it
Speaker 2: because like, I don't want to face that. And we've
Speaker 2: all been shamed for being lazy. There's that coach it's like,
Speaker 2: don't be so lazy. Run around the field again, and
Speaker 2: the teacher you know you're not performing, or your parents,
Speaker 2: so we have all this shame about it. The reality, though,
Speaker 2: is that your body has an operating system. I call
Speaker 2: it the meat operating system, and a lot of spiritual
Speaker 2: work is actually accessing that and it has a very
Speaker 2: strong desire to not waste energy, and that is a
Speaker 2: sacred thing.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Imagine if we had two people, and one of them says,
Speaker 2: working hard gets results. And I said, all right, guys,
Speaker 2: go dig a ditch. And one of them says, I
Speaker 2: got my shovel, and the other one says, I got
Speaker 2: a tractor. Okay, the guy with a tractor was done
Speaker 2: in twenty minutes and the other guy works for three days.
Speaker 2: And we somehow believe without thinking, the virtuous guy is
Speaker 2: the guy with a shovel because he worked hard, and
Speaker 2: we're unconsciously believing that working hard gets results. So we
Speaker 2: shame ourselves when we don't work hard, and sadly, when
Speaker 2: we work hard and we don't get results, we start
Speaker 2: feeling like victims, which is really toxic. We all know
Speaker 2: people work really hard and don't get results. Maybe it's
Speaker 2: because we have a belief system in there that doesn't work.
Speaker 2: And when we say, well, couldn't I do this in
Speaker 2: an easier way, we start feeling shame. Now it's not
Speaker 2: okay to do it the easy way, because the virtue
Speaker 2: comes from the struggle. But in the world that we
Speaker 2: live in, the virtue comes from getting it done and
Speaker 2: understanding that you will always have a desire to be
Speaker 2: lazy and think about it. You wake up and you say,
Speaker 2: all right, I could go to the gym, or there's
Speaker 2: a couch and there's donuts and Netflix. The couch is
Speaker 2: always going to look sexier, and we start, well, I
Speaker 2: should want the gym, No, you shouldn't. Your body really
Speaker 2: does want the extra energy from the donuts and not
Speaker 2: using any energy in case there's a famine. So embracing that.
Speaker 2: Your motivation from your body is to save energy and
Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with that. So then how do you
Speaker 2: use that to motivate yourself. That's how to hack laziness. Well,
Speaker 2: if you go to the gym, let's say you're going
Speaker 2: to do cardia, go to span class. If you did
Speaker 2: an hour a day, five days a week, that's aggressive.
Speaker 2: You're going to improve after two months provement in your fitness.
Speaker 2: If you do the lazy way, the thing I write
Speaker 2: about and smarter, not harder, you're going to spend fifteen
Speaker 2: minutes a week you will not sweat. That's the amount
Speaker 2: of time he's been brushing your teeth. By the way,
Speaker 2: you'll improve by twelve percent, six times more. So you
Speaker 2: wake up and you say, today I'm going to save
Speaker 2: fifty minutes of not working at the gym because I'm
Speaker 2: going to do it better, And all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: it's really motivating because the body says, I get to
Speaker 2: save energy at the gym, and then the body aligns
Speaker 2: its motivation with what your mind wants, and then the
Speaker 2: resistance fades. And it's a really important thing. It's something
Speaker 2: that I've never seen written about anywhere. So use the
Speaker 2: savings of time, the savings of energy to motivate yourself.
Speaker 2: But you know who does know about this, big food companies.
Speaker 2: They will send you a twenty five cent coupon and
Speaker 2: oh look, I save twenty five cents because to our body,
Speaker 2: saving money feels like a lot more than it really is. Right,
Speaker 2: So it's about an unconscious view of reality. So since
Speaker 2: we know our body does that without our knowledge or permission,
Speaker 2: let's just use it to our advantage instead of against us.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, So using a fifteen minute workout per day,
Speaker 1: no no, no, no, no, Using a fifteen minute workout.
Speaker 2: Five minutes, three times a week.
Speaker 1: Five minutes, three times a week, how is that having
Speaker 1: a twelve percent change?
Speaker 2: Well, maybe working hard doesn't get results when it comes
Speaker 2: to exercise, And I want to be really clear, the
Speaker 2: ability to work hard is necessary for you to get
Speaker 2: things done in the world, but working hard without the
Speaker 2: right tools is a fool's errand and one of my companies,
Speaker 2: it's a franchise. We're about to be over about thirty
Speaker 2: locations signed, so we're opening across the country. It's called
Speaker 2: Upgrade Labs. You can go to own and Upgrade Labs
Speaker 2: dot com and open one in your neighborhood. And we
Speaker 2: have the technology to do this. It uses artificial intelligence,
Speaker 2: and it causes you to move slower than you want
Speaker 2: and then way harder than you really really want to,
Speaker 2: but only for twenty seconds. And then here's the trick.
Speaker 2: As soon as you're done, you take some really keep
Speaker 2: breaths and it guides you with the AI to say
Speaker 2: it breathe deeper, and it brings your heart rate down.
Speaker 2: So what your body really responds to is really strong
Speaker 2: stimulation like a tiger was gonna catch you, and then
Speaker 2: a feeling of safety and calm. When you have enough minerals,
Speaker 2: you have enough nutrients, it says, oh, I guess I
Speaker 2: should improve my performance. But if you go to the
Speaker 2: spin class, okay, the tiger chases you on the first
Speaker 2: sprint and then you keep running and then you sprint again,
Speaker 2: and you keep running, and the body believes I'm being
Speaker 2: hunted and it doesn't get away. And if you're combining
Speaker 2: that with a low calorie diet, oh there's a famine.
Speaker 2: And I'm continuously hunted for an hour a day, no wonder.
Speaker 2: It's not going to improve. It doesn't have any energy
Speaker 2: to improve. It's just stressed. So the precise dose of exercise,
Speaker 2: it matters so much. And the liberating thing. You're gonna
Speaker 2: hate me for saying this. So you notice I'm in
Speaker 2: better shape than for twenty minutes a week is my
Speaker 2: entire workout regimen. And I'm like, I'm doing all right.
Speaker 1: You're stacked. Yeah, that's epic, man. And you said it
Speaker 1: on page twenty one. You said your body does not
Speaker 1: care how much time you do something hard. It cares
Speaker 1: about how quickly you do something hard, how hard it is,
Speaker 1: and how quickly it returns to baseline. There you go,
Speaker 1: page twenty one. Is that is? And that resonated with
Speaker 1: me a lot because and we'll talk about this later on.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into it now, but you
Speaker 1: talk about this in the book as well. Why the
Speaker 1: infrared sauna and why cold plunges. Kind of that explains
Speaker 1: exactly that process, especially if you're doing both back and
Speaker 1: forth and you think they're getting in the cold for
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I'd have to sit in there for
Speaker 1: a long time, but it's actually how long is it uncomfortable? For?
Speaker 1: Right that where it's actually working, because you're saying once
Speaker 1: it becomes normalized, Once anything becomes normalized, whether it's spin class,
Speaker 1: whether it's sitting in the cold, or whatever it may be,
Speaker 1: it's now not having that effect.
Speaker 2: It doesn't work. In fact, if you got in a
Speaker 2: normal warm bathtub and slowly cool the water, you would
Speaker 2: have no benefits from doing that. And instead it's that
Speaker 2: you got in and it was a rapid drop in temperature,
Speaker 2: and then you got out and the body warmed itself
Speaker 2: up again, and it's teaching the body that it is
Speaker 2: safe to warm itself up, and then it becomes better
Speaker 2: at creating heat. If your body's better at creating heat,
Speaker 2: it means your metabolism works better. And so we've unpacked
Speaker 2: all of this using machine learning and artificial intelligence, and
Speaker 2: today most people they buy gym memberships and they don't go.
Speaker 2: There's four hundred million dollars a year of ghost memberships
Speaker 2: where people pay and never show up because well, if
Speaker 2: I have the membership, I might show up, but the
Speaker 2: lazy impulse of the body wins because the gym doesn't
Speaker 2: have a good return on investment of your time.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying you shouldn't work out, No, Yeah,
Speaker 2: And if you go to the gym, awesome. I enjoy
Speaker 2: that as well, But I'd frankly rather to go to
Speaker 2: a yoga class in my spare time. And then you
Speaker 2: can get the muscles in about three to five times
Speaker 2: less time than going to the gym. You get the
Speaker 2: cardio I don't know, fifteen minutes versus five hours a week.
Speaker 2: I don't know the ratio there, but it's crazy and
Speaker 2: it's much better at cardio anyway. And so all of
Speaker 2: a sudden you're saying, wait, I got my strength, I
Speaker 2: got my cardio. And that was what led me to
Speaker 2: create Upgrade Labs because people want to come in and
Speaker 2: do this, and what do you do with the extra time? Well,
Speaker 2: how about we train your brain with neurofeedback. How about
Speaker 2: we train your stress response so you can be more
Speaker 2: resilient when things are weird at work or at home,
Speaker 2: or things like that, or how about we just make
Speaker 2: it so your body recovers better than it ever did.
Speaker 2: And what we're dealing with now is a world full
Speaker 2: of stress and never any recovery time. So let's use
Speaker 2: technology to handle the easy stuff like muscles and cardio,
Speaker 2: and then let's take the extra safe time to make
Speaker 2: our brains better and to make our stress handling better.
Speaker 2: Absolutely has changed my life.
Speaker 1: Have you got one in La Upgrade Labs.
Speaker 2: There's one at the Beverly Hilton, although the hotel is
Speaker 2: about to get renovated. And there's one in Santa Monica
Speaker 2: underneath Arnold Scharznaker's office. Oh. Absolutely, yeah, I need to
Speaker 2: come in.
Speaker 1: I didn't. Yeah, this is I didn't realize. That's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah. In fact, the first one opened eight years ago
Speaker 2: in Santa Monica. I've been working on this for a
Speaker 2: long time before we decided to let anyone open a
Speaker 2: business at Upgrade Labs. And part of this is it's
Speaker 2: a global movement now, biohacking it's a thing. You go
Speaker 2: to Latin America, you go to Japan, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: There's biohacking all over the world. And it's expensive to
Speaker 2: build a million dollar lab like I did at my
Speaker 2: house with all this advanced tech. So what if we
Speaker 2: just made it available for everyone.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. I can't wait to check it out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's dive back in. There's a couple of
Speaker 1: things that you talk about. So we talked about laziness.
Speaker 1: One of the things that you talk about in the
Speaker 1: book is removing friction. So you have these six steps
Speaker 1: to energy success, and I'll let people get the book
Speaker 1: to dive into all of them. I don't want to
Speaker 1: go through everything, but you talk about removing friction, and
Speaker 1: I think when you dive into that, I was like,
Speaker 1: that's the right word, Like, it's friction that we experience.
Speaker 1: What are some of the steps or some of the
Speaker 1: highlights that you see of like removing friction. What does
Speaker 1: that look like.
Speaker 2: When you think about something that you want to do.
Speaker 2: Oftentimes it's the little things that feel really big because
Speaker 2: your body is creating resistance. It's like, don't waste energy.
Speaker 2: There might be a famine. Don't waste energy. So if
Speaker 2: you can't find your gym shoes right because you're not
Speaker 2: organized right, and there's a lot of things that we
Speaker 2: do that make it so that there's many steps, and
Speaker 2: each step is a decision, so you remove decisions to
Speaker 2: make it really easy. And a big source of friction
Speaker 2: is you wanted to do it, you went to the
Speaker 2: gym and you didn't get results. One of the things
Speaker 2: that's holding you back is that either you're exposing yourself
Speaker 2: to toxins that lower your testosterone, things like extra plastic BPA,
Speaker 2: or you're just lacking minerals. And right now we have
Speaker 2: an epidemic of people who just don't have enough minerals.
Speaker 2: Our food used to be full of minerals because our
Speaker 2: soil was full of minerals. We've been kind of strip
Speaker 2: farming the land. So even if you're eating plants that
Speaker 2: are supposed to be high on iron, they're probably not
Speaker 2: because the soil doesn't have iron anymore. And when you
Speaker 2: get enough minerals in the body, then you send a
Speaker 2: signal through your exercise that says, hey, improve. The body
Speaker 2: says why I wanted to improve, But I have this
Speaker 2: big sticking point. I don't have enough zinc and copper.
Speaker 2: I can't improve, So then you just feel stress. So
Speaker 2: one of the things that's really helped me lean out
Speaker 2: is I focus very heavily on my mineral intake. They're
Speaker 2: the least sexy supplements on Earth. And to make minerals
Speaker 2: go where they're supposed to go, we need something called
Speaker 2: vitamin DKE and you can go to Vitamin dake dak
Speaker 2: dot com and it's there. It's about twenty bucks a
Speaker 2: month for what it takes to do this. It's a
Speaker 2: combination of vitamin D, vitamin A, vitamin K, and a
Speaker 2: special form of vitamin E and those things. When you
Speaker 2: take those in combination with a broad spectrum mineral supplement
Speaker 2: on the same site, your body suddenly has the power
Speaker 2: to build bones and to build muscle and make energy,
Speaker 2: and your focus can improve. And then I put the
Speaker 2: trace minerals that are just broadly lacking for all of
Speaker 2: us in my new coffee brand called Danger Coffee. So
Speaker 2: the idea is, it's easy. You're doing coffee every day
Speaker 2: probably anyway, and you end up going, wow, something different.
Speaker 2: It feels different in this and it it's called Danger Coffee.
Speaker 2: By the way, You're gonna like this because who knows
Speaker 2: what you might do. You know, you might finally ask
Speaker 2: that girl out, you might start a company, you might
Speaker 2: start a podcast. The idea is, I love that you
Speaker 2: can handle it now because you've got the energy and
Speaker 2: minerals are the key.
Speaker 1: And why are the minerals you talked about? This is
Speaker 1: like we always talk about supplements, yeah, talk about vitamins.
Speaker 1: We don't hear about minerals as much. And you make
Speaker 1: that point in the book. Are those the full minerals
Speaker 1: that you're saying the dak and special form of E
Speaker 1: like those are the.
Speaker 2: Those are vitamins? Yes, they are the fat soluble vitamins.
Speaker 2: And each of those direct minerals to go to the
Speaker 2: right place in the body. And in the minerals there's macromnerals,
Speaker 2: things like magnesium and potassium, and there's trace minerals like
Speaker 2: zinc and copper and manganese, and then there's alter trace
Speaker 2: minerals that are present in Earth's crust and you need
Speaker 2: a little bit of those. So there's in the coffee
Speaker 2: there's fifty four different kinds of minerals at super tiny traces.
Speaker 2: And in the supplements you take, it's three pills to
Speaker 2: get enough minerals, just enough minerals in your day. That's
Speaker 2: why on a pill thing that has vitamins minerals, there's
Speaker 2: not enough of anything in that And when you do that.
Speaker 2: Those are the first two most important, foundational and affordable
Speaker 2: supplements that you need to take before you do be vitamins,
Speaker 2: and I've formulated neotropics and advanced anti aging longevity things.
Speaker 2: I love doing that, and I take those two. But
Speaker 2: the last thing I would ever stop taking would be
Speaker 2: vitamin DKE and minerals one on one, because they're foundational
Speaker 2: to everything else your body does, whether it's meditating better,
Speaker 2: whether it's running faster, whether it's thinking better, or just
Speaker 2: staying calm in a stressful situation. Without minerals, your body
Speaker 2: cannot do what it's trying to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I couldn't agree with you more. I've definitely
Speaker 1: we've talked about this before, and I've definitely had periods
Speaker 1: in my life where I was so low on minerals
Speaker 1: or vitamins of course, which are then impacting the minerals,
Speaker 1: where I'm like, wait a minute, I'm sleeping right, I'm
Speaker 1: working out, I'm eating right, Like what is going on?
Speaker 1: And so often I think we make it a mental
Speaker 1: challenge where we're like, oh, maybe I'm dealing with something,
Speaker 1: and actually what you realize is your body's just not
Speaker 1: dealing with stress. And now it makes it feel like
Speaker 1: everything's mental when it's actually biological and chemical.
Speaker 2: You said it, So my body's not dealing with stress
Speaker 2: right now. I believe that half and maybe seventy percent
Speaker 2: of the emotional stress that we feel on a daily
Speaker 2: basis it comes from our body being malnourished.
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree. Yeah, And then it feels like experience that.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so me too, and it feels like it's
Speaker 2: your mother in law or your boss, or like it's
Speaker 2: someone else's fault, or maybe it's you and your mind
Speaker 2: is running in circles. Well, when the body feels like, okay,
Speaker 2: there's not a famine, I've got everything I need. All
Speaker 2: of a sudden, things that felt like everest, Oh that's
Speaker 2: just a fool. I could walk up that no problem,
Speaker 2: and to create a feeling of piece in your tissues
Speaker 2: and then do the hard work on the mental and
Speaker 2: spiritual aspects of meditation. It's a lot easier to work
Speaker 2: on those when your body's working. But if you're constantly
Speaker 2: feeling that what your body's telling you because it's hungry,
Speaker 2: is you, and it's a flaw or it's something to
Speaker 2: work on, you can spend your entire life, trying to
Speaker 2: deal with your emotion, not knowing that it's what's on
Speaker 2: your plate that's causing them.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, I want to fully double emphasize
Speaker 1: that that is so true and so real, and I
Speaker 1: think so many of us are climbing up a steep
Speaker 1: hill trying to solve the wrong problem first, and this
Speaker 1: way round's going to make all of it much easier.
Speaker 1: I think you're spot on, and I'm so glad, so
Speaker 1: glad that we address that. I wanted to dive into
Speaker 1: this one, like for everyone who's listening and watching, the
Speaker 1: book goes into depth into exactly the minerals, exactly the
Speaker 1: vitamins you need. Like I want you to know that
Speaker 1: the book's giving you a breakdown, and so make sure
Speaker 1: you grab the book so that you actually get all
Speaker 1: their insights. I just want to give you the breadth
Speaker 1: of the inside that Dave has so that you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I need to work on that. I
Speaker 1: need to work on that. Something you talk a lot
Speaker 1: about is picking a target area and tracking it. And
Speaker 1: you talk about these core target areas. You talk about strength,
Speaker 1: cardiovascular fitness, energy, metabolism, brain function, and stress resistance and
Speaker 1: I've found that that's probably our biggest mistake when it
Speaker 1: comes to our health, is we either are measuring nothing,
Speaker 1: we're trying to measure everything. You nailed it, right, Where
Speaker 1: should one start, Like, how does one I guess intuitively
Speaker 1: or data wise know what they are missing right now?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like most of us don't know. Most
Speaker 1: of us live quite unconsciously, and we may be feeling
Speaker 1: a bit tired, we may be feeling a bit of
Speaker 1: body pain, but we're not really that aware of what
Speaker 1: the challenges and what we need.
Speaker 2: I have a lot of data on this because we
Speaker 2: ask people this when they come into every labs, and
Speaker 2: that was one of the things that inspired me to
Speaker 2: structure the book this way. And it's kind of funny.
Speaker 2: The only people on earth who are going to say
Speaker 2: when they wake up in the morning, the first thing
Speaker 2: they want, I want to be healthy today. There are
Speaker 2: people who are like me. When I weigh three hundred pounds,
Speaker 2: I had chronic fatigue syndrome and arthritis and massive brain
Speaker 2: fog and I was a wreck. So being healthy was
Speaker 2: a top priority for me. And you might get there
Speaker 2: when you're seventy five right as well. I just wish
Speaker 2: I was healthy. But when we're reasonably healthy, health is
Speaker 2: number seventeen on the honeydeal list. I want it. And
Speaker 2: what's really motivating us oftentimes from our body is we
Speaker 2: want to be powerful, we want to be energetic, we
Speaker 2: want love in our life, and those things they trump health.
Speaker 2: So health never gets enough priority. And what does health
Speaker 2: even mean? Most people can't tell you. So I broke
Speaker 2: it down into those five or six categories, and okay,
Speaker 2: what are you going to work on first? And every
Speaker 2: person is individual, So where are you today? And then
Speaker 2: what's your first goal? And everyone says, well, I want
Speaker 2: all of those, but pick one, And in fact I
Speaker 2: encourage you in the book to pick two and really
Speaker 2: think about it. And when people come and we actually
Speaker 2: use a conjoint analysis survey and like we go through
Speaker 2: data to help you figure out your goals. But in
Speaker 2: the book, I teach you how to do it. So
Speaker 2: if your first goal is you know what, I noticed
Speaker 2: that I'm weak, I can't hold on to things line,
Speaker 2: my grip strength is gone, I don't have the muscles
Speaker 2: I want. Okay, so you're going to focus on muscle first,
Speaker 2: or like a lot of people, I'm stressed all the time.
Speaker 2: And my brain doesn't work. I'm going to focus on
Speaker 2: my brain first. So then you go to the section
Speaker 2: of the book on brain and I list all the
Speaker 2: technologies and techniques, whether they're free or cost a couple
Speaker 2: hundred bucks or cost thousands of dollars, that work really
Speaker 2: well to bring your brain back online. And when you
Speaker 2: do that, your muscles will work a little bit better
Speaker 2: as a side effect. Right, So maybe that was it. First,
Speaker 2: I want my brain, then I want my muscles. But
Speaker 2: someone else could be totally different in their desires. I
Speaker 2: want to be able to run a marathon. I just
Speaker 2: need the endurance to walk up the stairs because I
Speaker 2: can't take care of my kids. Stuff like that happens
Speaker 2: all the time. So you go through the book and say, okay,
Speaker 2: this is my goal, and then there's a variety of
Speaker 2: technologies that will support that. And some of them I
Speaker 2: say technologies, they're just techniques. And if it's muscles, picking
Speaker 2: up rocks is the entire history of building muscles for humans.
Speaker 2: We concentrate the rocks into kettlebells now, but they're still rocks.
Speaker 2: And then for endurance, it's run away from tigers, like
Speaker 2: you could run away from a slow tiger or a
Speaker 2: fast tiger. And that's all of exercise. Well, with machine
Speaker 2: learning and AI, we are doubling the amount of knowledge
Speaker 2: of biology that we have every seventy three days. There's
Speaker 2: so much magic happening right now that you can use
Speaker 2: this new knowledge that your doctor is probably never going
Speaker 2: to know, and you can use that to say, oh,
Speaker 2: I can do this in a lot less time. So
Speaker 2: then you get your muscles back and your brain works better.
Speaker 2: You get your brain back, and then you have the
Speaker 2: energy to do the muscle work or to do the
Speaker 2: endurance work, and then say, I'm going to work on
Speaker 2: these stress management techniques. And you have so much wisdom
Speaker 2: that you've offered people on dealing with stress and the
Speaker 2: meditation side of things. And there's a couple chapters towards
Speaker 2: the end of the book where I talk about, you know,
Speaker 2: spiritual hacking, which on its face is a bit offensive,
Speaker 2: I admit it, but.
Speaker 1: It came from a good place, it did.
Speaker 2: And the idea here is what would have happened in
Speaker 2: Tibd or in India or an apoll or place like that.
Speaker 2: Is Okay, we have a cave, and you can go
Speaker 2: to the cave and twenty years later you're going to
Speaker 2: be enlightened. And you could call that fast path. But
Speaker 2: most of us have other things that we want to do.
Speaker 2: So how do we get the maximum amount of meditation
Speaker 2: benefit per minute? Like hurry, meditate faster. It's an oxymoron,
Speaker 2: except if you can say, well, I'm going to do
Speaker 2: breath work with my meditation, and studies show that your
Speaker 2: brain gets into these states more quickly, then maybe you
Speaker 2: should consider finding the kind of breath work that works
Speaker 2: for your body, because for every ten minutes of work
Speaker 2: you do, you might get into the state faster. And
Speaker 2: for some people say, well that's not okay. The Dalai
Speaker 2: Lama years ago offered one hundred thousand dollars reward to
Speaker 2: neuroscientists who could help him get into a special esoteric state.
Speaker 2: He says, it takes me four hours of meditation to
Speaker 2: get there, and I don't have four hours. If you
Speaker 2: can get me there in an hour, I'll pay you
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars. Okay, this is possible. Today I
Speaker 2: run a neuroscience clinic called forty Years of Zen, and
Speaker 2: in five days people have the brain waves of someone
Speaker 2: who spent twenty years in the cave. And I've spent
Speaker 2: six months of my life with the electrodes glued to
Speaker 2: my head, meditating every day with a computer teaching me
Speaker 2: how to not do it wrong, and for me, that
Speaker 2: was faster. But I also did five years of Art
Speaker 2: of Living breath work every single morning because I found
Speaker 2: it worked better than just sitting and meditating, which I
Speaker 2: also did every morning. And I want people to understand
Speaker 2: any of those approaches is better than not doing it,
Speaker 2: and you've got to find the one that works for you.
Speaker 2: And there's a list of exercises in here, including the
Speaker 2: reset process, which is one of the most important things
Speaker 2: I teach.
Speaker 1: Can you woke us through this?
Speaker 2: The reset process is something that I pioneered with the
Speaker 2: Neuroscience practice because you can measure when it works and
Speaker 2: what you do and the whole recipes and the book
Speaker 2: for it. But what you're doing is you're finding something
Speaker 2: that is a trigger for you. And I want to
Speaker 2: be really straightforward. If you can be triggered, it means
Speaker 2: you're walking around with a loaded gun. You need to
Speaker 2: unload the gun. It's not everyone else's job to not
Speaker 2: make you shoot them. It's your job to say, I'm
Speaker 2: not carrying a weapon anymore. So you find something that
Speaker 2: triggers you, and you sit and you think about that feeling,
Speaker 2: and it's usually something will pop in your head. You
Speaker 2: were bullied, something my parents said, someone cut you off
Speaker 2: in traffic, It doesn't really matter. Something's gonna pop in
Speaker 2: your head. Say okay, I'm going to run the reset
Speaker 2: process on that. So you sit the person who made
Speaker 2: you angry down across from you in your mind's eye, yeah, visually,
Speaker 2: and you're also in your mind's eye you imagine some
Speaker 2: sort of infallible deity. Some people use God or Jesus
Speaker 2: or Buddha or you know, any of the deities that
Speaker 2: you like, or it could just be you know, a
Speaker 2: light bulb that's always right. It doesn't matter, but this
Speaker 2: is your double checking thing. And then you sit there
Speaker 2: and you actually say, you did this and it made
Speaker 2: me feel this way. And then you tap into how
Speaker 2: bad you felt and you actually turn on the bad feeling,
Speaker 2: like what you want me to actually read? Yes, I
Speaker 2: want you to feel it. And then once you're sure
Speaker 2: that you've really felt the bad feeling, you might have
Speaker 2: tears in your eyes. I mean, it might have been
Speaker 2: a big thing. Then and this is the key that's
Speaker 2: missing from a lot, even of older literature. Before you
Speaker 2: work on letting it go, you have to find gratitude.
Speaker 2: So you find one thing. It doesn't matter how big
Speaker 2: of a gratitude is. You just need a spark of
Speaker 2: gratitude and say, oh, here's one good thing that happened,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, that flips a switch in
Speaker 2: your brain, and then you can step into the F
Speaker 2: word called forgiveness.
Speaker 1: And forgiveness everyone's mind, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the reason I called the F word is a lot
Speaker 2: of people I'm not going to forgive that person. They
Speaker 2: wrong to me. You don't have to tell them you
Speaker 2: forgive them. This is just you unloading the weapon. This
Speaker 2: is you no longer being triggered, right, And then you
Speaker 2: look at it from the other person's point of view,
Speaker 2: and you realize, maybe their mom was mean to them,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe they didn't know. Maybe the guy who
Speaker 2: cut you off in traffic was on the way to
Speaker 2: the hospital to see his daughter being born. You just
Speaker 2: don't know, right, And you start looking at that and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, because you did gratitude first, you
Speaker 2: feel your heart open and you go, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: And when you're done, and sometimes it takes neuroscience or
Speaker 2: a facilitator or some coaching. But when you're done, you
Speaker 2: can look at someone who wronged you greatly and all
Speaker 2: you feel is peace and love and you can no
Speaker 2: longer be triggered. This is very important because what we
Speaker 2: normally learn to do is to say, well, I know
Speaker 2: that every time the situation comes up, I'm going to
Speaker 2: feel triggered. I'm going to notice that I'm triggered, and
Speaker 2: then I'm going to take a deep breath and I'm
Speaker 2: going to choose to behave like an adult. Hallelujah for
Speaker 2: doing that. We all need to do more of that.
Speaker 2: It's just biologically expensive because it takes a lot of
Speaker 2: effort and time and focus. What if there was no trigger?
Speaker 2: So the reset process lets you turn this off at
Speaker 2: a very deep and profound level, and when you're done,
Speaker 2: you can look at your greatest enemy and you can say,
Speaker 2: I love you, I forgive you, we are one, and
Speaker 2: you are done for the rest of your life with
Speaker 2: that trauma. And I have done this on every single
Speaker 2: trauma that's ever happened. I've I had a very successful
Speaker 2: conscience on up playing. In the last two years, I
Speaker 2: had an employee, embezzel money. I've had people try to
Speaker 2: ruin my reputation, all of it around the reset process
Speaker 2: on it, and I'm absolutely at peace with it. And
Speaker 2: to be able to get there running, I mean you
Speaker 2: run at a very big level, so do I. And
Speaker 2: the amount of stuff that comes at us no one's
Speaker 2: ever going to know is an enormous thing when you're
Speaker 2: leading millions of people and making the world a better place.
Speaker 2: And to be able to do that without the constant
Speaker 2: stress and the constant tension and the constant questioning in
Speaker 2: your mind, that all comes from unresolved forgiveness. So the
Speaker 2: reset process in the book is how do you get
Speaker 2: there most quickly? And you may say, I don't want
Speaker 2: to do that. That sounds awful. Do some emdr that's
Speaker 2: another way to get to a similar state. But this
Speaker 2: process is so powerful and it leads you to amazing
Speaker 2: spiritual states where you no longer are carrying a grudge
Speaker 2: because I'm smarter and harder the power of laziness. How
Speaker 2: expensive is it for you spiritually, at a soul level
Speaker 2: to carry a grudge against someone who wronged you for
Speaker 2: the rest of your life? Life is too precious to
Speaker 2: waste it that way, And this is the fastest way
Speaker 2: I've found for people to learn how to let go
Speaker 2: of something. And I put it in a book. You say, well,
Speaker 2: I thought that was about exercising biohacking. Look, the biggest
Speaker 2: thing you can do and the hardest thing you can do,
Speaker 2: is to let go of something that your body is
Speaker 2: holding onto because it thinks it's keeping you safe. And
Speaker 2: I thought I was just worthy of including in the book.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean by spiritual hacking. Find the technique
Speaker 2: that lets you fully let go of something so that
Speaker 2: you can be present with your family, with your friends,
Speaker 2: with your loved one, and then you can be present
Speaker 2: for your mission, or maybe you can find your mission
Speaker 2: in your purpose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's so well said. I'm so glad
Speaker 1: you included it because I think for the sake of simplicity,
Speaker 1: we talk about our body, our mind, our soul or
Speaker 1: spirit or whatever we call it. But the truth is
Speaker 1: that it's so interconnected in that as you were saying,
Speaker 1: if you can't let go of an emotional disconnect or
Speaker 1: a missileone n chances are that's going to lead to
Speaker 1: your eating habits, and then that eating habit is going
Speaker 1: to link back to a lack of that spiritual cleansing
Speaker 1: or detoxing or whatever that may be. So we're kind
Speaker 1: of just stuck in this vicious cycle. And I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk to you about that because using that spiritual
Speaker 1: hacking the other way and going what are some of
Speaker 1: the blocks that are created physically because of the lack
Speaker 1: of letting go? What are some of the habits that
Speaker 1: you've seen developed physically in our diet, in our you know,
Speaker 1: in our physical practices because of a lack of that.
Speaker 2: I believe that every cell in your body has its
Speaker 2: own small consciousness, and even inside the cells, the mitochondria,
Speaker 2: each of them is an ancient bacteria, and ancient bacteria
Speaker 2: have a consciousness. It's a pretty slow, dumb consciousness. Actually
Speaker 2: it's a very fast consciousness, but it's it doesn't have
Speaker 2: much awareness. But when you have billions actually for those things,
Speaker 2: almost trillions inside the body, they function as a distributed
Speaker 2: consciousness for your meat, for your hardware, and they're just
Speaker 2: trying to keep the petri dish alive, and they think
Speaker 2: you're a petri dish, and you realize that they're storing traumas.
Speaker 2: And when you do this really deep forgiveness work. You're
Speaker 2: causing the body to relax, and you're causing the body
Speaker 2: to feel safe at a cellular level. And when a
Speaker 2: cell feels safe, it will expand and grow and thrive
Speaker 2: and it'll maintain itself. And when a cell feels like
Speaker 2: the environment around it is hostile, whether it's because of
Speaker 2: self hate or whether it's because of a lack of nutrients,
Speaker 2: or because you're overexercising or under exercising, then they don't
Speaker 2: feel safe, and then they don't do their job right.
Speaker 2: So when your body is in that place, your energy
Speaker 2: field gets bigger and stronger. And we can even measure
Speaker 2: that at the science clinic. We measure brain voltage and
Speaker 2: people will increase their brain voltage. And when that happens,
Speaker 2: suddenly that injury that you've had that won't heal, it heals.
Speaker 2: The cancer that you have can shrink just from doing
Speaker 2: meditation right. Because if there's conscious or unconscious loathing around
Speaker 2: a part of your body, like oh, you don't like
Speaker 2: your love handles, right, they're probably not going to go away.
Speaker 2: In fact, they'll probably get bigger, right because they don't
Speaker 2: feel safe. So this deep loving of your body of
Speaker 2: your tissues. And I was working with a teenager recently
Speaker 2: and she said, you know, some of my friends don't
Speaker 2: like their bodies, and yeah, and they think they're fat,
Speaker 2: or they think they're thin, or they don't like their
Speaker 2: nose or whatever. And so I thought about it a lot,
Speaker 2: and I realized I really like my body because it
Speaker 2: can do all these amazing things. And I was like,
Speaker 2: that is the most enlightened, cool thing I've ever heard
Speaker 2: from a teenager, right, because if you have that self
Speaker 2: love for your tissues, even if they're not working right.
Speaker 2: And I say this as a guy who was three
Speaker 2: hundred pounds with like arthritis and a knee that I
Speaker 2: couldn't trust because it would just like it would just
Speaker 2: fold in the middle of the walk, you know, I
Speaker 2: would fall over, like I was such a rack. And
Speaker 2: to be able to go through and forgive yourself that's
Speaker 2: actually the hardest forgiveness. And you can run the reset
Speaker 2: process on a part of your body that you have
Speaker 2: an issue with, you can run the reset process on
Speaker 2: your entire body, and the feelings of not being enough,
Speaker 2: not being good enough, all of those things you can
Speaker 2: just like go of so you're just at peace and
Speaker 2: things are as they are, and you don't have to
Speaker 2: have an emotional reaction everything, and that allows you to
Speaker 2: have so much more energy for your spirit.
Speaker 1: When that spiritual lacking is draining all your energy, you
Speaker 1: don't have the energy to pick the right foods and
Speaker 1: to do the workout, and to put into your creative
Speaker 1: processes or creative endeavors that you have going on. And
Speaker 1: I want to dive into a couple of things which
Speaker 1: I thought, really I'm glad you talked about this in
Speaker 1: the book because I think the challenges, as we know
Speaker 1: with health and wellness, there's always a new fad, a
Speaker 1: new trend, a new kind of thing that comes up
Speaker 1: and everyone gets behind it, and then afterwards a few
Speaker 1: years later we realized that there was more research to
Speaker 1: I think one of those big areas is around There's
Speaker 1: two areas in the book that you cover really well
Speaker 1: that I want to dive into. One is around where
Speaker 1: we get our protein. We know protein's important. I mean,
Speaker 1: remind us how much protein we need to get every day,
Speaker 1: Like good protein you.
Speaker 2: Need between zero point eight and one gram of protein
Speaker 2: per pound of body weight. So I weigh two hundred
Speaker 2: pounds and I'm about seven percent body fat, and that
Speaker 2: means I need about two hundred grams of protein fat. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's ridiculous. Yeah, as a guy who is the fat
Speaker 2: computer hacker from the first Durassic Park, it's totally ridiculous.
Speaker 2: And in order to do that, if you're obese like
Speaker 2: I was, you might say, well, if I weigh three
Speaker 2: hundred pounds, I had one hundred pounds of fat, you
Speaker 2: really only need two hundred grams of protein. You can
Speaker 2: subtract the extra fat from the number, but two hundred
Speaker 2: grams of protein. It's a lot, and protein isn't all
Speaker 2: the same, and this is something.
Speaker 1: That that's what Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the big food companies are trying to tell us
Speaker 2: cricket protein or gluten is protein. There's a company making
Speaker 2: keto cookies that are all protein. They're just gluten and
Speaker 2: canola oil. That is not food. So a while ago,
Speaker 2: the story was, oh, all calories are the same, so
Speaker 2: you can drink this, you know, hyproctose corn STARp. It's
Speaker 2: just calories. As long as you keep your calories low.
Speaker 2: You can drink a diet coke and a Snicker's bar.
Speaker 2: They councel each other's out. It doesn't work like that.
Speaker 2: Protein's the same way. So different proteins send different signals
Speaker 2: to the body. And there's something called amino acid availability score,
Speaker 2: and it turns out that animal proteins score much higher
Speaker 2: than plant based proteins. And I say this as a
Speaker 2: former vegan, a former raw vegan, and you just cannot
Speaker 2: get enough protein from plants unless you're doing heavy industrial
Speaker 2: processing of the plants, and that comes out of cost.
Speaker 2: But even then, the highest quality of plant based protein
Speaker 2: powders don't hold a candle to dairy protein, which is vegetarian,
Speaker 2: or egg protein which is vegetarian or sort of. The
Speaker 2: king of proteins is beef or buffalo or bison. As
Speaker 2: a vegan, I had a problem with this because vegan.
Speaker 2: I was in Tibet at a monastery, and Tibetan monks
Speaker 2: love to argue. They're trained since they're about eight years old.
Speaker 2: They have an eight year old sitting on the ground
Speaker 2: surrounded by older kids standing up, all arguing at the
Speaker 2: same time, doing these like aggressive things, and it's to
Speaker 2: teach you to be calm in the face of arguments
Speaker 2: so that you can still be at piece. And it's
Speaker 2: beautiful to watch. So I knew this and so I'm
Speaker 2: kind of teasing the head lama. I said, well, you
Speaker 2: tell me no killing, but you have a yak skin
Speaker 2: on your prayer pole, so I think you're a hypocrite.
Speaker 2: And he starts laughing and it looks at me. He goes,
Speaker 2: one death feeds everyone. I'm like mind blown because I
Speaker 2: had been a vegan until I went to Tibet, and
Speaker 2: I was like, cannot be a vegan in Tibet because
Speaker 2: there's just very little food. And if there's you know,
Speaker 2: some yak butter tea, or there's you know a little
Speaker 2: bit of meat, you just eat it because there's just
Speaker 2: not enough food. So I really thought about it, and
Speaker 2: that led me to think about death's per calorie. And
Speaker 2: as a guy has built a regenerative farm on Vancouver
Speaker 2: Island and raised all of my own animals for most
Speaker 2: of the last eight years, I will tell you that
Speaker 2: a cow will feed you for an entire year, and
Speaker 2: if it's grass fed and from a local farmer, no
Speaker 2: other animal died unless the cow stepped on a frog.
Speaker 2: I mean, it is literally one death, and if the
Speaker 2: cow was treated with respect and ethically, then you are
Speaker 2: killing fewer animals than an industrial plant. Protein, because when
Speaker 2: they do those, the tractor comes through and it chops
Speaker 2: up every creature that's there, including the bunnies and the
Speaker 2: mice and the butterflies and all the ugly ones like
Speaker 2: worms that no one likes that are important for life.
Speaker 2: So I feel really clean about it. But the most
Speaker 2: important thing that I can say if you choose to
Speaker 2: eat animal protein, which I do, is that practice gratitude
Speaker 2: before you eat. I believe, because of my shamanic training,
Speaker 2: because of all the spiritual work that I do, that humans,
Speaker 2: our energetic field, as a species, made a sacred agreement
Speaker 2: with the animals that we've domesticated, and they come here
Speaker 2: to nourish us in exchange for our gratitude. So if
Speaker 2: you're going to eat meat, you practice gratitude because that's
Speaker 2: the deal we made. And if you disrespect the animal
Speaker 2: and you're eating industrial meat and you're eating it with mindlessly,
Speaker 2: I don't think that's a good practice. But I do
Speaker 2: think it's ethical to eat meat because I'm killing fewer
Speaker 2: lives when I eat beef than when I eat plant
Speaker 2: based protein, and since that nourishes me better, which gives
Speaker 2: me stronger energy and stronger bones, and it gives me
Speaker 2: more energy to put back into the world, including building
Speaker 2: better soil via farming of animals. I feel like it's
Speaker 2: a good deal and it's within integrity for me.
Speaker 1: But even in some animal protein you are recommending, and
Speaker 1: we'll talk about the plant proteins as well, but some
Speaker 1: of the animal proteins you were saying are not as
Speaker 1: strong and reliable. I believe you mentioned chicken, turkey. I
Speaker 1: think there are a couple of ways in the book
Speaker 1: that I saw.
Speaker 2: Birds are not that thrown dinosaurs, so they're less like us.
Speaker 2: And the fat that's present in birds is similar to
Speaker 2: soybean oil. It's a lot of a Mega six that
Speaker 2: causes inflammation. And you would know this if you're in
Speaker 2: India and you're not feeling well, your grandmother's going to
Speaker 2: give you white rice and ghee, which is clarified butter.
Speaker 2: In the US, you get saltines and margarine or something,
Speaker 2: and it doesn't work very well. But the reason is that, gee,
Speaker 2: that saturated fat is very nourishing for you, and that
Speaker 2: you actually need that you don't get it from a chicken.
Speaker 2: And also one chicken to get the amount of protine
Speaker 2: I eat a chicken a day I'm killing three hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty five chickens a year. That doesn't feel very good.
Speaker 2: In addition to that, real chickens, the kind that I
Speaker 2: grow on my farm, take nine months to mature, and
Speaker 2: their fat is rich and yellow and full of vitamins,
Speaker 2: even though it's not the best kind of fat. But
Speaker 2: the chickens they're eating at the store takes six weeks
Speaker 2: to get that big because they've been modified and bred
Speaker 2: to have these incredibly large breasts, and they're terribly mistreated.
Speaker 2: So unless the chicken is pasture raised and a heritage breed,
Speaker 2: at which point it's not affordable. They're terribly expensive to raise.
Speaker 2: Chickens exist to make eggs. Eggs, if you're not allergic,
Speaker 2: are really a good source of fat and protein, And
Speaker 2: when you eat eggs, you want to cook the whites
Speaker 2: and leave the yolk running, and then you get the
Speaker 2: most nutrients that way.
Speaker 1: We talked about the plant protein from an ethical standpoint,
Speaker 1: but even from a nutritional standpoint, I mean, as so,
Speaker 1: me and my wife are both plant based, but plant
Speaker 1: protein is like not a big part of our diets
Speaker 1: at all. My wife's like not into eating any of
Speaker 1: the burgers or any of the meat, so it's probably good.
Speaker 2: Fake meat is not good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, explain why, because I think that's slightly the
Speaker 1: challenge for a lot of people who try and make
Speaker 1: that switch, and I feel everyone who turns to that
Speaker 1: then goes back because it's not satisfying.
Speaker 2: Are you plant based to the exclusion of dairy.
Speaker 1: Yes, I A yea my WiFi we have been for years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's working for you. But if you're from India,
Speaker 2: you probably have the genes that support that much better exactly.
Speaker 2: And so if you look at what your great grandmother ate,
Speaker 2: that's going to be an indication of what you can handle.
Speaker 2: And if you look at you, your skin is really good.
Speaker 2: And that's a new usual when most people go vegan
Speaker 2: because they eat a lot of industrial processed seed oils.
Speaker 2: So if you're eating a diet that agrees with your body,
Speaker 2: and I totally support doing that, then what you want
Speaker 2: to do is you want to make sure that you're
Speaker 2: getting complete amino acids, and you can do it from
Speaker 2: rice and beans. But here's the issue. To get enough protein.
Speaker 1: It's definitely hard. I'm fully like, I'm thinking about it
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: It's like three hundred grams of carbs to get twenty
Speaker 2: grams of protein, So then your best bet for plant
Speaker 2: based proteins have the highest amino acid score. It's actually
Speaker 2: hemp protein with the fat removed because hemp oil isn't
Speaker 2: particularly good for you. So then what you end up
Speaker 2: doing is saying, Okay, I'm going to do that, and
Speaker 2: I feel good. I've also helped a lot of a
Speaker 2: lot of vegans. In fact, this is at David Wolf's
Speaker 2: Vegan conference, I explain the virtues of ghi, where no
Speaker 2: animals die to make ghi, and ghee helps to escort
Speaker 2: the nutrients from plants into the body, so you make
Speaker 2: better use of the plants. So sometimes adding tablespoon gia
Speaker 2: day gives you like a healthier skin glow and it
Speaker 2: feels more nourishing. And people can choose to do that
Speaker 2: or not choose to do that. And people get mad
Speaker 2: because I tease vegan. Dude, I was a vegan, Like
Speaker 2: it's teasing guys. It's not a disrespectful thing. It's in
Speaker 2: my case, it actually harms me. And some things like spinach, kale,
Speaker 2: even raspberries and almonds are very high in oxalic acid,
Speaker 2: which I write about in the book, and it causes
Speaker 2: crystals to form. Seventy percent of kidney stones are from
Speaker 2: plant based compounds, not from eating meat and beer thirty
Speaker 2: percent or from meat and beer, and so you can
Speaker 2: overdo either direction, right, So I want people to say,
Speaker 2: choose the right plants when you're plant based, and I
Speaker 2: would consider if I was plant based, adding hemp based
Speaker 2: protein powder, even though it is a processed food, it's
Speaker 2: going to be a processed food that has the best
Speaker 2: amino acid score that you can get.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, thank you so much, very useful for everyone who's listening.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to dive into drinking the wrong kind
Speaker 1: of milk because I think milk's been this. You know,
Speaker 1: there's obviously there's been the almond milks and the oat milks,
Speaker 1: and then there's been debate on either side. Walk us
Speaker 1: through milk because I think like that's again I'd love
Speaker 1: to hear your side of it, because again it's one
Speaker 1: of the I find all of this so confusing because
Speaker 1: you hear something new come out, everyone gets behind it.
Speaker 1: It works for people, maybe it doesn't work. Stopping dairy
Speaker 1: milk from my diet helped me with my gut, but
Speaker 1: I also don't drink a lot of oat milk or
Speaker 1: almond Mike, that's not really that's not really part of
Speaker 1: my diet. I don't I don't have cereal and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, so I'm not drinking that. But then there's
Speaker 1: a lot of debate on that side of it as well.
Speaker 2: There is a lot of yay.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Dairy milk has been a part of human food for
Speaker 2: at least five thousand years, and it's a convenient way
Speaker 2: to not kill an animal and to have it continuously
Speaker 2: produce fat and protein, which are the hard things for
Speaker 2: humans to get enough of because carbs are relatively abundant
Speaker 2: in nature. So what do you do? Well, while you
Speaker 2: would just drink milk, but the milk we would drink
Speaker 2: was from a breed of cows that makes a two
Speaker 2: milk and they ate grass and that works well with
Speaker 2: our biology. The kind of milk that you get now
Speaker 2: is from cows that are bread to eat grain and
Speaker 2: corn and soy, and that milk has the wrong kind
Speaker 2: of fat and it has a kind of protein called
Speaker 2: a one protein that's very inflammatory. So a lot of
Speaker 2: people who can't drink milk, which include me, because it
Speaker 2: messes up my gut roilings. It just makes it makes
Speaker 2: me stupid. Actually, my brain swells up from it.
Speaker 1: I get a lot of mucause. I used to get
Speaker 1: throat like I used to get more throat infections like
Speaker 1: me too.
Speaker 2: It's very similar. So sometimes you can handle a two milk,
Speaker 2: but raw a too milk is how we used to
Speaker 2: drink it. And in many states it's still illegal. And
Speaker 2: why the government thinks it has a right to tell
Speaker 2: you what you're allowed to eat, I don't know. They
Speaker 2: don't have that right, so it doesn't matter if they
Speaker 2: make it illegal. They didn't have the right to make
Speaker 2: it illegal. So therefore it's not illegal in the world
Speaker 2: that I live in. Then again, if you're selling it,
Speaker 2: they might still try to arrest you. Then you gotta
Speaker 2: go to court. But here's the deal. Raw milk from
Speaker 2: many people is very very healing, and for some people
Speaker 2: weigh protein, especially if you're vegetarian but not vegan. It's
Speaker 2: a source just get grass fed way protein because the
Speaker 2: animals are treated better and because it's a higher quality
Speaker 2: nutritional product. But let's assume you're not going to drink
Speaker 2: cow's milk, because for a lot of people it just
Speaker 2: doesn't work, including me, I don't touch it. Butter and
Speaker 2: ghee usually are acceptable, especially gee won't trigger allergies and
Speaker 2: mucous like that for almost anyone. Well, what about the
Speaker 2: fake milks? Right, so these are all industrial products unless
Speaker 2: you make it yourself. And what they figured out with
Speaker 2: almond milk was, oh, we can take leftover parts of
Speaker 2: almonds and you know, the ones that are broken and unsightly,
Speaker 2: and we can use those to make milk. And it's
Speaker 2: just a few almonds and some canola oil and some
Speaker 2: high fructose corns arup some flavorings and we blend it
Speaker 2: up and we sell it for like eight dollars as
Speaker 2: a health food product. It's not a health food product.
Speaker 2: So almond milk is high in phytic acid that sucks
Speaker 2: minerals out of your bones. You have to take more minerals.
Speaker 2: And it's also high in oxalates, which are the things
Speaker 2: that are causing kidney stones and things that are causing
Speaker 2: gout and joint pain when you wake up. Even if
Speaker 2: you have really bad skin and you're eating a ton
Speaker 2: of these high ox late foods like almond milk and
Speaker 2: kale smoothies and all this can be why because it's
Speaker 2: making tiny razor sharp calcium oxolate crystals in your skin
Speaker 2: that are coming out. So I don't recommend almond milk. Also,
Speaker 2: if you're a vegan. For animals, the number of bees
Speaker 2: about a third of all bees dye pollinating almonds every year, Like,
Speaker 2: it is not a particularly clean product. So then we say, well,
Speaker 2: oat milk, okay, that is the biggest scam on the
Speaker 2: planet right now. It raises your blood sugar as much
Speaker 2: as drinking a coke. It is not a hell food,
Speaker 2: and it usually has glyphosate and it's high and phidic
Speaker 2: acid that sucks minerals out of your body. And I
Speaker 2: know you might not like hearing this, but do the math.
Speaker 2: There's a tablespoon of oats blended into a bunch of
Speaker 2: water and you spent six bucks on that, Like, are
Speaker 2: you dumb? Right? It's not a good move, right, So
Speaker 2: what should you drink? There's two kinds of milk that
Speaker 2: are okay. One of them is macadamian milk, which is
Speaker 2: really expensive and you have to make it yourself because
Speaker 2: macadamias have the right kinds of oil in them. But
Speaker 2: the other one that's abundant and healthy is coconut milk.
Speaker 2: So if you're going to do it, use coconut.
Speaker 1: Is the worst tasting one.
Speaker 2: I know, right, yeah, it is the worst tasting one.
Speaker 2: But here's the problem though, If you say, Okay, I
Speaker 2: don't like the taste of coconut milk, and I'm with
Speaker 2: you on that, so I'm going.
Speaker 1: To I don't drink any milk.
Speaker 2: But yes, yeah, that's really the key. You don't need
Speaker 2: to drink a plant milk. It's a made up product
Speaker 2: that you don't have a need for. But if you
Speaker 2: say I'm going to do one of these other things,
Speaker 2: you're spending a lot of money, you're getting anti nutrients,
Speaker 2: you're getting mostly water, and you're usually getting a toxic burden.
Speaker 2: So like, why am I doing this again? The thing
Speaker 2: that milk has that's most important is it has protein,
Speaker 2: and the second most important is it has good fats.
Speaker 2: When you have a replacement milk, even coconut milk, there
Speaker 2: is no protein. So the coconut yogurt you like, it
Speaker 2: doesn't work because it doesn't have protein. So you have
Speaker 2: to take that and addway protein or add scoops of
Speaker 2: maybe hemp protein if you're doing plant based, but you've
Speaker 2: got to add a whole bunch of protein to it,
Speaker 2: because normal yogurt has that. Most people tolerate grass fed
Speaker 2: yogurt pretty well. I still don't. I can't touch cow's
Speaker 2: milk unless it's ghee for the most part, or I
Speaker 2: could do some butter. But if I was to have,
Speaker 2: you know, two tablespoons of regular milk, it messes me up.
Speaker 2: My gut's wrong, it's just not right. So that's an
Speaker 2: immune response. So I just want to tell you're not
Speaker 2: getting protein in your plant milks, and you're getting stuff
Speaker 2: you don't want in your plant milks, so just don't
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: You've mentioned canola oil a few terms as well, and
Speaker 1: I feel like oil's has been obviously in the biohacking world.
Speaker 1: It's been known for a while, but I think it's
Speaker 1: finally coming into like the forefront of checking the back
Speaker 1: of something and going, oh my gosh, wow, this is
Speaker 1: canola oil, palm oil. You know, millions of different oils
Speaker 1: walk us through that, because I think that's kind of
Speaker 1: still for the majority of people, like an under understood area,
Speaker 1: like they're just not aware. Unaware is probably the right word.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, we're unaware. We've been taught first calories, it
Speaker 2: wouldn't matter. And it turns out, well, calories do entirely
Speaker 2: different things. So we toss that out from most people
Speaker 2: have understood that's different. And then we say, okay, well,
Speaker 2: it's how much fat are you eating? But who would
Speaker 2: imagine that different fats do different things in the body. Oh,
Speaker 2: my gosh, you mean the kind of fat matters? Oh,
Speaker 2: in different proteins. So even saying fat, carbs, and protein,
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean anything unless you know what it is.
Speaker 2: So we zoom in on fat. Well, it turns out
Speaker 2: omega six fats, which is canola, corn, soybeans, safflour, even
Speaker 2: grape seed oil. Those are fats that when they enter
Speaker 2: the body, they slow your metabolism and they cause inflammation
Speaker 2: because they're unstable fats. They're called pollen saturated fats. And
Speaker 2: when you eat saturated fats things like coconut oil or
Speaker 2: butter or ghee, or most animal fats from like sheep
Speaker 2: or something, or from cows, but not from chickens, then
Speaker 2: you end up saying, oh, the saturated fats they can't
Speaker 2: oxidize because they're stable. So you eat those and they
Speaker 2: stimulate your metabolism and they allow your body to make
Speaker 2: testosterone and to make other hormones that your body needs,
Speaker 2: and to make stable sell membranes. So we understand the
Speaker 2: biochemistry of this, but the food companies are saying, well,
Speaker 2: it's cheaper to do cannol oil, so let's fry our
Speaker 2: French fries in those canola oil, and it's cousins there.
Speaker 2: They are a major cause of diabetes in cancer which
Speaker 2: are skyrocketing because they're unstable, especially in they're heated a lot.
Speaker 1: And they're pretty much in every packaged good.
Speaker 2: They are. But change is coming. So before about the
Speaker 2: nineteen seventies, all French fries are made with beef tallow
Speaker 2: because it's a very stable oil that's fat from cows.
Speaker 2: McDonald's that's what they use, and then they switch to
Speaker 2: these seed oils and then all the diseases went through
Speaker 2: the roof. So we have a problem. Food needs to
Speaker 2: be affordable for everyone. One of the companies that I've
Speaker 2: invested in and then I'm backing that I'm most excited
Speaker 2: about is called zero Acre Farms, and I don't work
Speaker 2: for them. I did put a small amount of money
Speaker 2: in them, but it's because of the mission they find
Speaker 2: a way to use fermentation to make an oil that
Speaker 2: is monounsaturated like olive oil that is stable for frying
Speaker 2: at twenty five percent the cost of canola oil for
Speaker 2: a restaurant, and they're scaling up to get to that
Speaker 2: price point. But what it's called zero acre because it'll
Speaker 2: remove millions of acres of corn and so from being
Speaker 2: grown to squeeze oil out of them. And they can
Speaker 2: take sugar cane, just the entire sugar cane, not sugar,
Speaker 2: and they can ferment it and make a healthy, edible
Speaker 2: oil for humans. And this is going to change the
Speaker 2: world's metabolism. It's a huge thing. So in the meantime,
Speaker 2: you can go to a place as duck fat fries
Speaker 2: or talofries, which you wouldn't eat, or you don't eat fries.
Speaker 2: Don't eat fried food at restaurants is a great rule
Speaker 2: to live longer. And don't eat the salad dressing either.
Speaker 2: Tell them I want real olive oil that's not cut
Speaker 2: with canola oil, and I want vinegar or lemon juice.
Speaker 2: And you do that, just those two things, nothing fried,
Speaker 2: and do that, and all of a sudden you find
Speaker 2: you lose weight, your brain is focused, and your body
Speaker 2: makes more hormones.
Speaker 1: It's that big of a de I'm so glad you
Speaker 1: raised that because that's the It's such a tiny, simple change,
Speaker 1: but it could save you from so many different things.
Speaker 1: Like I switched. Probably it might have been a year now,
Speaker 1: but I traveled a lot this year on tour, and
Speaker 1: that was hard because my diet on tour was not
Speaker 1: as easy to maintain because I was in different cities
Speaker 1: every day and I didn't have a chef. It was
Speaker 1: traveling with me or anything like that. And when I'm
Speaker 1: back here, I've been eating like a whole Foods dyer,
Speaker 1: only eating plants, not eating anything out of packages, you know,
Speaker 1: not eating pretty much no package food whatsoever. Maybe now
Speaker 1: and again, and like that in and of itself has transferred.
Speaker 1: I used to love a bag of chips, right even
Speaker 1: if they were like the healthiest chips that I could
Speaker 1: possibly find. I love a bag of chips. I love
Speaker 1: you know, I love a little bit of crackers, biscuits, whatever,
Speaker 1: any of this kind of stuff nick knacks and just
Speaker 1: taking out packaged foods is had a massive impact on
Speaker 1: how I feel.
Speaker 2: It's kind of life changing to do that. And I
Speaker 2: was I missed an oil that should get a shout out.
Speaker 2: It's palm oil. Yeah, so palm oil is saturated and
Speaker 2: I would much rather eat something cooked in palm oil
Speaker 2: than canola oil. The issue with palm oil is mostly environmental,
Speaker 2: so there's deforestation and rank tanks and things like that.
Speaker 2: But if you are at the store and you want
Speaker 2: to buy some chips or crisps or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, crisp is what I would have called it. I've
Speaker 1: adapted bag of chips. We'd call it a bag of
Speaker 1: crisps bag in London.
Speaker 2: Yes, so you want to eat those, look for something
Speaker 2: that's cooked in coconut oil or palm oil. And when
Speaker 2: you do that, you're going to be much healthier, and
Speaker 2: they're going to taste better and they're going to be
Speaker 2: more satisfying because when you eat those bad oils, the
Speaker 2: Omega six oils, they make you hungry really quickly because
Speaker 2: your body says, I got to deal with all this inflammation,
Speaker 2: have some sugar. So all of a sudden, you ate
Speaker 2: a chip that felt good. And I don't generally eat
Speaker 2: stuff like that. Maybe at a barbecue or something, I'll
Speaker 2: bring a bag of those.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not perfect. Yeah, And Dave, I
Speaker 1: want to thank you for doing all this research, because
Speaker 1: you know, as I've got older and I'm thirty six now,
Speaker 1: and as I get older, every single year, my health
Speaker 1: goes up and up and up on the priority list.
Speaker 1: And I think for me it's been so challenging because
Speaker 1: I grew up I would say with no health education.
Speaker 1: I'm benefited by having a wife who's very disciplined and
Speaker 1: focused and understands more. I'm grateful to have my podcast
Speaker 1: where I get to sit down with incredible people like you,
Speaker 1: and I get introduced to books like yours that I
Speaker 1: have over the years on longevity and now smarter, not harder,
Speaker 1: And to me, I'm just like, I want to get
Speaker 1: this right, to make getting older easier, right, like to
Speaker 1: make getting older like your goals.
Speaker 2: Your goals suck.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, that's a bad goal.
Speaker 2: I want to make. I want to make getting older easier.
Speaker 2: I want to stop getting old. That's I want to
Speaker 2: stay how I am now or better every single.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: It isn't a different vision. It feels different. We have
Speaker 2: it so built in that we're going to get old.
Speaker 2: We are living in a world today where you can
Speaker 2: measure as twenty years younger than your calendar age.
Speaker 1: I want that. So you want that.
Speaker 2: You don't have to get old, right, you might age,
Speaker 2: but the getting old thing, that's that's what we did
Speaker 2: in the.
Speaker 1: Seventy Yeah, it made me happy. I was. I was.
Speaker 1: I've been playing a lot of pickleball and that's been
Speaker 1: like my form of exercise that I love and I
Speaker 1: enjoy and it's it's it's start and stop, it's fast,
Speaker 1: it's competitive. I love every part of it. And I
Speaker 1: just got beat by a seventy year old a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, and I loved it because I just
Speaker 1: I was like, I want to be like you. When
Speaker 1: I was like, it's double.
Speaker 2: Wiring, it destroyed me. One person can do that, and
Speaker 2: that brings up something that that's actually really important. Please
Speaker 2: learning from our elders. The reason I can do all
Speaker 2: this biohacking is I was so desperate for my health
Speaker 2: in my twenties. I started running an anti aging longevity
Speaker 2: nonprofit group near Stanford University. So I was learning how
Speaker 2: to maintain my health from people in their eighties who
Speaker 2: could run circles around me, like that's possible. I saw it,
Speaker 2: and I saw it in the nineties and if they
Speaker 2: could do it back then. We can do so much
Speaker 2: better now.
Speaker 1: You don't you calling me out that. I like you. You'recome,
Speaker 1: You're allowed to. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like that. That's I learned from my elders. You
Speaker 2: learn from the guy in the pickleball court. You can
Speaker 2: be that guy when you're seventy. Yeah, and what's really
Speaker 2: going to happen on your seventies? You can be that guy.
Speaker 2: But look and feel like you do now. And we're
Speaker 2: building this world for all of us. And it's really
Speaker 2: important because the birth rate in all of developed nations
Speaker 2: is so low right now, we're not replacing our population,
Speaker 2: which means it's our job to be strong and young forever.
Speaker 1: Well said. Well said. The book is called Smarter Not
Speaker 1: Harder by Dave ass Read the Biohcker's Guide to Getting
Speaker 1: the Body and Mind you want. I highly highly recommend
Speaker 1: that you grab a copy of this book. I we
Speaker 1: have just skimmed over some of the things that I
Speaker 1: found interesting, some of the things that I felt were
Speaker 1: front of mind for me. I know a lot of
Speaker 1: you been asking questions about these things. I see tons
Speaker 1: of videos on TikTok sharing all sorts of advice. I
Speaker 1: felt it was great to dive into it with. Dave.
Speaker 1: Please go and grab a copy, go and read it
Speaker 1: with your friends. Figure out that one thing that you're
Speaker 1: going to focus on. Remember, you don't need to try
Speaker 1: and do all of this. Pick that one area that
Speaker 1: you want to solve, master it, move on to the next.
Speaker 1: I promise you that, as much as it sounds hard
Speaker 1: and complicated and difficult, once you start seeing a win
Speaker 1: in one area, it's going to have that domino effect.
Speaker 1: So go and grab it.
Speaker 2: Dave.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for always coming on and being
Speaker 1: such a You're such a you are. You are an elder, truly,
Speaker 1: but you don't look like one. You know, you know
Speaker 1: you don't. You don't feel like one, which is amazing.
Speaker 1: And I'm very grateful that I get to have these
Speaker 1: conversations with you because I always come away more inspired
Speaker 1: and uplifted, and my goals get bigger and bolder and better.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad that you're not letting me settle. So
Speaker 1: thank you for not letting me settle. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: You're so welcome. I mean, I mean, I appreciate your
Speaker 2: work so much. You are inspiring millions of people to
Speaker 2: be better, and I see it every day online and
Speaker 2: you're just you're doing such amazing work, so true appreciation.
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