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Speaker 1: Hired last week and this week. This week they speak God,

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Speaker 1: Zach ersman with you bird Gang. We got introduced to

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Speaker 1: Michael Fur's first coaching hires, his three coordinators, offensive, defensive,

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Speaker 1: and special teams. So what do they say? What are

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Speaker 1: our biggest takeaways? It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode nine seventy eight,

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Speaker 1: and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Budda Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: Right at the.

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Speaker 1: Five hit the end zone for the Cardinal touchdown, Drey McBride,

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Speaker 1: he's been an absolute monster.

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Speaker 2: Here's Craig Graelo.

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Speaker 1: So I'll say this, Zach. It is certainly much better,

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Speaker 1: maybe even easier, to have something definitive to talk about

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Speaker 1: as opposed to all the ports, according to one insider.

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Speaker 1: According to this insider, reportedly Linked reportedly interviewed, well, now

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Speaker 1: we know the coordinators for the first staff, first ever

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Speaker 3: We'll give it two weeks and then we start talking

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Speaker 3: about free agency and the players that are laing come.

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Speaker 1: I look to have my moment here in mid February.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, the sun is shining. That was something

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Speaker 3: that was talked about a lot. On Wednesday. The birds

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Speaker 3: And the coordinators are hired and they're all here inside

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Speaker 3: the building. Nathaniel Hackett is the offensive coordinator, Michael Gobriel

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Speaker 3: aka Goby as the special teams coordinator, and then a

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Speaker 1: Hackett and Goby certainly enjoying being in Arizona because of

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Speaker 1: the weather. It quickly was pointed out to them, well

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Speaker 1: Let's get into first big picture because the coordinator is

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Speaker 1: the head coach Michae Laflor address reporters took questions as

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Speaker 1: well as far as his thought process behind bringing in

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Speaker 1: Nathaniel Michael and retaining Nick. First things first, though, was

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Speaker 1: the process that Mike had to undergo because he was

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Speaker 3: However, when when all when all said and done, it's

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Speaker 3: And at Daniel Hackett's case, he's had a roller coaster

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Speaker 1: His time in Denver and in New York quote, learn

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Speaker 1: And it does seem to be more of a collaborative approach.

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Speaker 1: It's about relationships, yes, coach player, but also the coaching fraternity.

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Speaker 3: They had a lot higher expectations and they should have

435
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Speaker 3: performed a lot better, and he was the first to

436
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Speaker 3: admit that. So I appreciated how reflective the defensive coordinator was.

437
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Speaker 1: Kind of two different approaches early in the offseason for Nick.

438
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Speaker 1: Immediately once Jonathan Gennon is let go okay, there's all right,

439
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Speaker 1: I'm going to do what I always do at the

440
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Speaker 1: end of the season is go back and look at

441
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Speaker 1: what we did well, what we didn't and that kind

442
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Speaker 1: of takes its time while the new head coaches being

443
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Speaker 1: the process of a new head coach and then getting hired,

444
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Speaker 1: and then he admitted there was the other aspect once

445
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Speaker 1: the new head coach does get hired, Okay, now what

446
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Speaker 1: does it mean for me? And feel a little bit

447
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Speaker 1: anxious and a little anxiety because are you going to

448
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Speaker 1: be retained or do I have to look somewhere else?

449
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Speaker 1: And what that might look like if I've got to

450
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Speaker 1: move the family again. But that's kind of what these coaches.

451
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: They know what they're getting into. When you become a

452
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Speaker 1: coach at whatever level, it's a lot of moving around.

453
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Speaker 1: But now that Nick has been retained, I think reflection

454
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Speaker 1: self reflective is a great way to put it, Zach,

455
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Speaker 1: because now that defense struggled a lot down the stretch

456
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Speaker 1: and it didn't look good. We can't hide from those numbers,

457
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Speaker 1: not only on paper, but also what we watched. We

458
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Speaker 1: all watched on that field, whether it was at State

459
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Speaker 1: Farm Stadium or on the road. But self awareness, I

460
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Speaker 1: think is important and if you are in that mode

461
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Speaker 1: of reflection, Okay, it didn't work out late last season

462
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Speaker 1: injuries or whatever, but I'm back and I think running

463
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Speaker 1: it back with Nick Rollis is something I think Nick

464
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Speaker 1: is excited about because it gives him maybe an opportunity

465
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Speaker 1: for him to prove himself right because it was a

466
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Speaker 1: good defense those first two seas and last season it

467
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Speaker 1: nothing went right. Last season when you're three and fourteen,

468
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Speaker 1: nothing goes right.

469
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Speaker 3: Look, it's call it like it is. We talked to

470
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Speaker 3: Jordan rodrig during the training camp and we were expecting

471
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Speaker 3: Nick Rowlis to be getting head coaching opportunities. He was

472
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Speaker 3: on a list of young coordinators that could be taking

473
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Speaker 3: that next step. That was the expectation of everybody was

474
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Speaker 3: at this defense. You talked about you need pieces. You

475
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Speaker 3: bring in Dalvin Thomlinson, You bring in Kalays Campbell, you

476
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Speaker 3: bring in Josh Sweat, You draft Will Johnson, you draft

477
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Speaker 3: Walter Nolan. The third things happen. It's the NFL, and

478
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Speaker 3: it's not necessarily that you can make an excuse. But

479
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Speaker 3: now you have to call it like it is. It

480
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Speaker 3: did not work. You have to figure out why it

481
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Speaker 3: didn't work and try to figure out, Okay, we have

482
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Speaker 3: the pieces that we scouted and believed can help elevate

483
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Speaker 3: this defense. Why hasn't that happened? Not just what the

484
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Speaker 3: guys I mentioned, but everybody involved, and that's Nick Rowlis

485
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Speaker 3: also Looking a little bit more internally, you have to

486
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Speaker 3: think to yourself, Okay, we had the growth in year

487
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Speaker 3: one to year two, there was that jump that everybody

488
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Speaker 3: was talking about. Okay, that year three there was a slump.

489
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Speaker 3: How can we try to get year four back on track.

490
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Speaker 3: That's what Nick Rowlis is gonna be dealing with right now.

491
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Speaker 3: Now he's one of the most tenured people in the building.

492
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Speaker 3: Which is funny to think about how the guy who's

493
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Speaker 3: the youngest defensive coordinator is now one of the most

494
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Speaker 3: tenured guys. But it's the truth. And now he is

495
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Speaker 3: in this position. This is not no longer a Jonathan

496
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Speaker 3: Gannon and Nick Rollis coach defense. Your defensive minded head

497
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Speaker 3: coach is now in Green Bay. You are now the

498
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Speaker 3: head coach of the defense unless the Cardinals somehow do something.

499
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Speaker 3: As defensive coordinator, you're the one calling the shots. This

500
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Speaker 3: is Nick Rowlis's defense and you just got to show

501
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Speaker 3: why they had the confidence to retain you.

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Speaker 1: And how different will it look if at all, or

503
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Speaker 1: if it's just a matter of putting players in different

504
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Speaker 1: positions or in better positions. To be successful. He brought

505
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Speaker 1: up that he believes in the tear it down, build

506
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Speaker 1: it back up, and that I think is more looking

507
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Speaker 1: at to a certain extent. Yeah, you always start from

508
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: scratch season to season, but there are certain beliefs that

509
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Speaker 1: you have, certain core principles that you have, whether on

510
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Speaker 1: offense or defens This is what I like to do. Now.

511
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Speaker 1: Am I capable of running it here with the personnel

512
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Speaker 1: that we have. I think that is what this offseason

513
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Speaker 1: is about. And it's not so much a three to

514
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Speaker 1: four or four to three. Who are our best eleven

515
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Speaker 1: players defensively to make plays? And now with an offensive

516
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Speaker 1: minded head coach, and both Mike and Nick have mentioned

517
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Speaker 1: now the six different times they have met at least

518
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Speaker 1: with the Rams and Cardinals over the last three years,

519
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Speaker 1: and those battles between offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator. And

520
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Speaker 1: now they're in the same building, same meeting room, and

521
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Speaker 1: having those same battles, if you will. But now it's

522
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Speaker 1: conversations to get the offense to where you want it

523
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Speaker 1: to be and get the defense to where you want

524
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Speaker 1: it to be.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure there will be a point in the offseason

526
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Speaker 3: if it hasn't already happened where the two of them

527
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Speaker 3: sit down and they put on the tape of their

528
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Speaker 3: six matchups and they talk about, this is what I

529
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 3: saw from you, because that's making each other better. And

530
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Speaker 3: now you're on the same team, you could divulge the

531
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Speaker 3: secrets a little bit, you know, you could share a

532
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Speaker 3: little bit of what's gonna be going on behind the

533
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Speaker 3: scenes and try to figure out ways to utilize whatever

534
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Speaker 3: you had in the past and try to bring it

535
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Speaker 3: to the present day and ultimately to the future. What

536
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Speaker 3: this roster and what this game plan is going to

537
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Speaker 3: end up looking like. I think that the respect is

538
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Speaker 3: the one thing that truly oozed through the two of

539
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Speaker 3: them for each other. But now you're on the same squad.

540
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Speaker 3: Now you got to figure out how it ultimately gets done.

541
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Speaker 3: But with that comes the roster configuration. I don't necessarily

542
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Speaker 3: expect a drastic scheme change like you were talking about.

543
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Speaker 3: But what's Koyas Campbell's situation. He was your second highest

544
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Speaker 3: sac getter last season. Josh Sweat, he was injured in

545
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Speaker 3: the back end of the season. Is he able to

546
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Speaker 3: see a fully healthy and able to take that jump?

547
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Speaker 3: What are you doing for the player development of Darius Robinson,

548
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Speaker 3: the health status of Walter Nolan, the third. The Cardinals

549
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 3: are going to have a lot of questions on that

550
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 3: defensive front seven, especially that they're going to need to

551
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Speaker 3: have answered the.

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Speaker 1: Player development side. I think was one of those questions

553
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Speaker 1: that what was the answer going to be? Because you

554
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Speaker 1: retain Nick rolis a defense that was not successful last season,

555
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Speaker 1: So all right, the defensive coordinator is back, several players

556
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Speaker 1: will be back. How do you make them better? Or

557
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Speaker 1: what didn't you do in twenty twenty five that you

558
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Speaker 1: can improve upon or correct or change? And Nick mentioned

559
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Speaker 1: that it starts in the classroom. How are they teaching

560
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: things first and foremost? And then technique, same technique, different

561
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Speaker 1: way of teaching it, or maybe a tweak to that

562
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Speaker 1: technique for specific players. These coaches, certainly the coordinators, but

563
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Speaker 1: the position coaches as well. Once we get the entire

564
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Speaker 1: coaching staff, there's going to be a lot of focus

565
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Speaker 1: this offseason on all right, how do you make a

566
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Speaker 1: Will Johnson better? How do you make a Darius Robinson better?

567
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Speaker 1: These young draft picks, whether in their first, second, or

568
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Speaker 1: third years, how do they take their level of performance

569
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Speaker 1: to that next step? Because they were drafted for a reason.

570
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Speaker 1: First round, second round, third round. But you have draft

571
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Speaker 1: capital in these players. It's high capital. You need high

572
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Speaker 1: performance from them.

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Speaker 3: Everyone's talented. You wouldn't be talented if you weren't in

574
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Speaker 3: the NFL. But it's that teaching and at the end

575
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Speaker 3: of the day, Johnathonan and the one thing that JJ

576
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 3: said a lot of things that you know, kind of

577
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Speaker 3: stick in my head when when talking about this defense,

578
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Speaker 3: but he talked about reps are golden and you warn

579
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Speaker 3: by game thrown into the fire. Denzel Berg performed as

580
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Speaker 3: well as he did throughout the season because not necessarily

581
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Speaker 3: what he was taught in the classroom, but because he

582
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Speaker 3: had to figure it out on the field lining up

583
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Speaker 3: across from DeVante Adams and Pookin Nakula and Jackson Smith

584
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Speaker 3: and Jigba. That's how you learn. But you need to

585
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Speaker 3: have ways that you can learn outside of the field

586
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Speaker 3: because you're only on the field seventeen Sundays, hopefully up

587
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Speaker 3: to twenty one Sundays throughout an NFL season. Outside of that, though,

588
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Speaker 3: all the other days are spent on the practice field

589
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Speaker 3: and in the classroom. The one term that a lot

590
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Speaker 3: of the coaches, I'm pretty sure all three coordinators use

591
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Speaker 3: was the term serve. It's a matter of serving the

592
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Speaker 3: players and helping them elevate their games. Teaching, classroom, film room,

593
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Speaker 3: weight room, strength and conditioning. These are all things that

594
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Speaker 3: like to swing it all back to the beginning. Michael

595
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 3: four is now sitting in this chair for the first time.

596
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Speaker 3: He has his hands in all of that, and he's

597
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Speaker 3: going to need to help enable his coordinators, to help

598
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Speaker 3: enable their position coaches to ultimately help elevate these players.

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Speaker 1: Well said. By the way, if you missed or want

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Speaker 1: to watch the coordinators press conferences, go to Ezycardinals dot

601
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Speaker 1: com to hear in totality all three plus Mike Lafleur

602
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: talk about Nathaniel Hackett, Nick Rollis and coach Goby anything

603
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: else of those three that we heard that really stand out.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm looking forward to getting to know them

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Speaker 1: better and then also figuring out exactly what their plan

606
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Speaker 1: is to get the Cardinals back to where we all

607
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Speaker 1: know and expect them to be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm excited. I've only covered three coordinators and now

609
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Speaker 3: I'm going to be covering two new coordinators, so I'm

610
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Speaker 3: eager to see what the differences are going to be

611
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Speaker 3: like that from a professional level, but also just to

612
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 3: be able to watch a different brand of Cardinals football.

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Speaker 3: It'll be exciting.

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Speaker 1: By the way, this is a big week for the

615
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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. Wednesday, the coordinators introduced Thursday groundbreaking event for

616
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Speaker 1: the new performance center and team headquarters at Paradise Ridge.

617
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Speaker 1: And then Saturday Cardinals Climb Hike for Special Needs, which

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Speaker 1: will take place at State Farm Stadium. Still time to

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Speaker 1: register Cardinals Climb dot com for more information. So this

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Speaker 1: is a pivotal week, I would say in the Arizona

621
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Speaker 1: Cardinals organization.

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Speaker 3: Give it another week. Then we'll be right back to

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Speaker 3: the combine. I will be at the combine, will be

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Speaker 3: you will not I will not be.

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Speaker 1: Will you miss me?

626
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Speaker 3: I'll be holding it down here missing Craig Riillo.

627
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Speaker 1: Make sure you clip that oms for a next.

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Speaker 3: I'll see it next week, I say, next week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, next time. Just a programming wrote next time Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover two comes your way. It will come from Indianapolis, Indiana.

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Speaker 1: Sites of the twenty twenty six scouting Combine. Myself, Danny Surrect,

632
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Speaker 1: Aaron Urban, and a host of others will be in Indy, Monty,

633
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Speaker 1: Austin Ford, Michael Foord will both address the media, I believe,

634
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Speaker 1: on Tuesday, and well we'll try to get as many

635
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Speaker 1: quote unquote draft experts to talk about the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: six NFL Draft.

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Speaker 3: Well, will you miss me?

638
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Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I don't know yet.

639
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 3: He's shy everybody.

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Speaker 1: I just, I just I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I haven't known you long enough to miss you. How

642
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: about that it's been three years, it feels like six months.

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Speaker 3: I guess I'll take that as a compliment.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Azycardinals dot com for all the information on

645
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Speaker 1: what has happened this week and what is going to

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Speaker 1: happen this week from the coordinator's announcement groundbreaking and of

647
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Speaker 1: course Cardinals Climb coming up on Saturday afternoon, I should

648
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: say Saturday morning Cardinals climb dot com for more information.

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Speaker 1: All right, Zach, and you get work to do? Uh

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Speaker 1: want to plug with Azcardinals dot com.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna have a Nathaniel Hackett story coming out and

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Speaker 3: in a little bit, so definitely check it out.

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Speaker 1: I believe Darren's working on one on defensive coordinator Nick Rolison.

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Speaker 1: His retention to the Cardinals' staff on that notes we

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Speaker 1: will put a lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover

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Speaker 1: two presented by Hyundai, probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: As always, special thanks to our executive producer, Jim Mama Hundre.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Elms, Welcome back, ELMS. Cody Fincher, who I

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Speaker 1: have not seen all week long. Maybe he he's now

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Speaker 1: been demoted for Zach Gershman. I'm Greig real Lou. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two