1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound On. 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: The negotiations now are underway to finish up the incorporation, 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: though so there's no government shutdown. Saxine mandates aren't much 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: easier to do at the tate level than at the 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: federal level. Of Bloomberg Sound On Politics, Policy and Perspective 6 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: from DC's top name, we seemed some damage to the 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: credibility on how poorly the US did, predicting that in 8 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: Alaban take over, the country has moved from a weariness 9 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: with COVID to a resignation and that somehow we're going 10 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: to get through it. Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio, and we joined you from the nation's capital. 12 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: Stuck here in the grip of great symbolism this first 13 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: week of the new year. On one side, a COVID 14 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: state of emergency is declared in the state of Maryland. 15 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: On the other, gridlocked traffic on in Virginia, gridlock, some 16 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: people forced to spend the night in their cars, thousands 17 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: of others without power after the big winter storm this week. 18 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: And well, we're stuck in the middle here inside the 19 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: bubble COVID Central where President Biden is trying to manage 20 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: Joe mccron promising more access to testing today, and Senator 21 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: Joe Mansion is back pouring more cold water on the 22 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: Build Back Better plan. We'll talk about both coming up 23 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: with Congresswoman Gwen Moore, Democrat from Wisconsin, member of the 24 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: House Progressive Caucus. Later. We're joined by Brett Ruin of 25 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: the Global Situation Room his top five global risks of 26 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: two and we have the signature panel today. Bloomberg Politics 27 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: contributors Jeanie Schanzano and Rick Davis will be with us 28 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: for the hour. Lawmakers returning to Washington, d C. The 29 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: Senate back in town this week. We're still waiting for 30 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: the House. Based on what we heard today from the 31 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: gentleman from West Virginia, he's back. They have not been 32 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: working on the President's Build Back Better plan the way 33 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: some reports suggested. Over the holidays. Senator Joe Mansion was 34 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: asked about this whole conversation, build back Better, picking up 35 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: the pieces, what kind of a version he might support 36 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: as we go forward, and he talked about it outside 37 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: of his office today. Here, Senator Mansion, I'm really not 38 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: going to talk about back Better anymore, because I think 39 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: I've been very clear on that there is no negotiations 40 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: going on at this time, okay, And there's an awful 41 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: lot of things that had a lot of uh, a 42 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: lot of things that we're very uh uh uh I 43 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: think well intended. And there was a lot of things 44 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: that was pretty far reach on some things. And the 45 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: most delicate times that we have right now, and our 46 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: country is divided, and I don't tend to do anything 47 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: that divides our country anymore. So whatever I can do 48 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: to unite and bring people together, and that means you 49 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: have to work harder as you work across the isle 50 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: to bring people together. How about it, since he's not 51 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: talking about it anymore, asked if the White House had 52 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: plans to reengage with Senator Mansion. Press Secretary Jen Psaki 53 00:02:55,639 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: today says they're keeping those engagements and conversations quiet. And 54 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,679 Speaker 1: that is where we begin today with Congresswoman Gwen Moore, 55 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: Democrat from Wisconsin, serves as the whip for the Congressional 56 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: Black Caucus and of course as a member of the 57 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: Congressional make that the House of Progressive Caucus. Congresswoman, welcome, you're, 58 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: as I mentioned, a member of the Progressive Caucus. At 59 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: one time, you were promised that the Senate would vote 60 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: on human infrastructure before hard infrastructure. You were later told 61 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: that two would be voted on together. Today, based on 62 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: what we're hearing from Joe Mansion, there's no clear path 63 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: forward this morning. Are you disappointed or or is angry 64 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: a better word? Well, you know, it's really clear to 65 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: me just listening to that clip that you shared with us, 66 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: that he really is the Joe Mansion is really struck 67 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: with the conflict of values. As a Democrat, he certainly 68 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: recognizes the need to invent uh in the lowest wage workers. Uh. 69 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: He certainly knows the value of investing in our children. 70 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: Every so called civilized country O E c D countries 71 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: have some sort of basic child allowance. Really, you know, 72 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: and and and you know, it's news flash. Kids have 73 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: better health outcomes, are better educational outcomes. You produced a better, 74 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: more skilled workforce. That that that there's no news in that. 75 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: And coming from Wisconsin, a couple of a state that 76 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: really was home to the very first kindergarten, and we 77 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: were really proud of that innovation. The science is in 78 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: six years old is just two dagged on old to 79 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: start educating your work force. Joe Mansion knows that, but 80 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: he is caught in a cross fire of values with 81 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: regard to UM Republicans who don't want to spend any 82 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: money on people. Uh. Well, does it make you think 83 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: that build back better is dead? Congresswoman? And as a 84 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: member of the House Ways and Means Committee, what do 85 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: you tell Joe Manchon when he says this will only 86 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: increase the national at an increase inflation? Well, you know 87 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: what I what I say to him is that I 88 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: want him to subduce some more. You know, he demands 89 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: some truth in calculating and I would too. You know, 90 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: I listened to uh McCarthy, the uh, the the minority 91 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: leader in the House debate for eight hours and thirty 92 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: two minutes. That was a long night about inflation, and 93 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: not one time did he mention the pandemic. And we 94 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: know that the pandemic is driving a lot of our 95 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: supply chain problems are inflation problems. Not to mention the 96 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: anti trust sort of UM allegations that might be out 97 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: there with regarding the huge spike in the cost to 98 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: meet something entirely unrelated to the to the rounding error 99 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: that the child tax credit provides while at the other well, 100 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: the other end of it, we reduced child poverty back 101 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: about I mean truly transformational. Um, what makes you think 102 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: you can get around his opposition though he gets something done? 103 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: Or are you moving on? It does seem like Democrats 104 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: are moving on to voting rights. Congresswoman, Well, you know, 105 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: you know, moving on. We've never less voting rights. But 106 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: Joe Manson has really come to has to come to 107 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: grips with his values. He is a Democrat. He says 108 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: that he's not going to change crazy. We are the 109 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: party it looks out for regular ordinary people. Uh. You know, 110 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: he takes great tax breaks, Joe Manson does from his investment, 111 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: uh in the energy and fossil fuel field. Why shouldn't 112 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: an ordinary American with struggling kids, one fourteen growing out 113 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: of his shoes every year being baseball equipment, and another 114 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: one he's five years So why shouldn't they get a 115 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: supplement every month to recognize that the work of rear 116 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: and hoping young people is part of it. And it's 117 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: not just that Bill be Better has provisions for childcare. 118 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: I mean the loss of people in the workforce. That 119 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: was the woman's story. But he doesn't support, of course, 120 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: the extension of the child tax credit. And and Joe 121 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: Mansion is a big obstacle in the Senate when it 122 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: comes to voting rights as well, and I would like 123 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: to hear from you on that. He says he doesn't 124 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: want to change the rules around the filibuster, which based 125 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: on from where I'm sitting, Based on where I'm sitting, 126 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: I should say, Uh, makes this a deal breaker? Right? 127 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: How do you keep this debate voting rights going from 128 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: the same way as build back better? When it comes 129 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: to Joe Mansion, well, again, he doesn't have a D 130 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: behind his name, you know, Hope Springs Eternal. We've seen, 131 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: you know, people like to hearkento the days of L. B. J. 132 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: When he had huge majorities in the Senate and in 133 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: the House. Uh, when when he passed the first Civil 134 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: Rights Act. So this will be even more momentous. And 135 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:59,559 Speaker 1: we're writing on on not just the spirit of John 136 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: Lewis US and and others who have come before us, 137 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: but we want the American people to realize what kind 138 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,559 Speaker 1: of jeopardy there. And it doesn't matter whether you're black 139 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: or white, or young or elderly, and camp this is 140 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: a threat to our democracy? Can it pass without changing 141 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: the filibuster in the Senate though it's it's worth changing 142 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: the fil They've changed it for judges, They've changed it 143 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: threat They've changed it just recently so that Senator Lee 144 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: could debate some abstract amendment that wasn't going anywhere. That 145 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,359 Speaker 1: mean they changed the filibuster just as a professional courtesy 146 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: to another senator. So why couldn't they change it for voting? Right? Again, 147 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: I don't have the answers, but these are the questions 148 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,599 Speaker 1: that we're asking uh today, Congresswoman, and I want to 149 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: get to the matter of COVID with you because it 150 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: is changing our lives again. I see Milwaukee public schools 151 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 1: or transitioning to virtual learning the rest of this week. 152 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: A lot of questions are being asked about where the 153 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: pandemic is going. Testing remains a major challenge. The President 154 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: spoke about it today once again, and I'm speaking with 155 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: you from my own COVID quarantine, Congresswoman. I guess the 156 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 1: question out there right now is is this the new 157 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: reality that we need to start getting our heads around 158 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: that we'll all get the virus eventually and the vaccines 159 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: will keep us from being more severely ill. Well, I 160 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: can tell you that, you know, we have a regular 161 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: flu season. Uh, and I'm sure that this flu was 162 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: named something before it just became the whole home regular flu. 163 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: I do think we're going to get to a point 164 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: where this is endemic and uh, you know, and I 165 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 1: have h you know, I have a relative who was 166 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: a bio chemist and he says that, you know, this 167 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: again is part of our lack of ballets between ourselves 168 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: and nature. We talk about climate change, but we're also 169 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: encroaching upon the territory of of other sorts of species 170 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: where we shouldn't you doing it? And it's important to 171 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: be mindful of our environment. So part of our shift, 172 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: uh in preserving the environment has got to be considering 173 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: the sort of pandemics that we're going to experience. I 174 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: think that we're we're we're glad that we have talented scientists, 175 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: and I think that that that the real step is 176 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: really convincing people, uh not to be stuck on stupid 177 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: and not to be ideologically committed to something that was 178 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: no scientific basis at all. I mean, you know, uh, 179 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: it it pain to me to see every unnecessary death. Well, 180 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: I hope that everyone stays safe in your district, and 181 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: of course you're in the capital region. What was it, 182 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: Don't be stuck on stupid, Congresswoman, when more Democrat from 183 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: Wisconsin with the bumper sticker to start off our program. Congresswoman, 184 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: thank you for your time and your insights, and we'd 185 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: love to stay in touch with you as we navigate 186 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 1: the agenda for the new year. We assemble the panel 187 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: coming up on Bloomberg Sound on, Genie Shenzano and Rick 188 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: Davis with us for the hours to stay here. I'm 189 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. You 190 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Don't be 191 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: stuck on stupid the line from Congresswoman Gwen Moore of Wisconsin. 192 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna start using that around the house. I think 193 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: I like it. Campaign will inevitably make that their slogan. Right. 194 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: We're glad you joined us as we look for direction 195 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: on just about anything that Democrats are planning for the 196 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: new year. But then Joe Mansion happens, as was the 197 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 1: case again today. God, it's like we never left to 198 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: welcome back to the bubble. Grab your shovel for snow 199 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: this time as we reassemble the panel today, our signature 200 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: panel with Bloomberg Politics contributors Genie Shenzano and Rick Davis. 201 00:11:58,280 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 1: Great to have you both with us. I wonder what 202 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: your thoughts were, Genie, as Gwen Moore called into question, 203 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: it seemed at least that d after Joe Mansion's name 204 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: every time I asked her about him. Nothing's changing, he 205 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: doesn't seem he's budging, He's not, and he's not going 206 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 1: to and Democrats can't be surprised by that. I think 207 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 1: the one thing that surprised me today was that the 208 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: White House and apparently leadership in the Senate and the 209 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: House have not been negotiating with Joe Mansion. That to 210 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: me is a challenge. And Joe Mansion said today they 211 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: can get something done on climate change that unites both 212 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: Mansion and the progressives in the House. They should do that. 213 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: But to not be talking at this point and to 214 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: let this idea that they're still going to vote on 215 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: this thing go on, is to me really a big 216 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: problem for democratic leadership. Not surprised, I'm sure Rick Davis, 217 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: you've been pointing us back to the memo from last 218 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: summer all along here. It just makes you wonder if 219 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: it's If it's not build back Better, he says, I'm 220 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: not even talking about it, as you heard in his 221 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: cut a little earlier this hour. If it's not voting rights, 222 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: and he says we're not changing the filibuster for that, 223 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: then what do Democrats doing this year? Well, uh, there 224 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: is some effort to try and start negotiating these appropriations 225 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: bills and go through some regular order on the budget. 226 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: I think that would be a good use of their time, 227 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: since that's something that they can frame and shape policy. 228 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: Since they are in the majority of these committees and 229 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: they've got twelve of these appropriations bills to do, it's 230 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 1: plenty of work to keep them busy. But I really 231 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: don't understand why they continue to beat the dead horse 232 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: on these two issues of voting rights and build back Better. 233 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: It's pretty clear, and it's not just Managine. Christen Cinema 234 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: has said she's not going to vote for a filibuster. 235 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 1: There are other Democrats who are concerned about breaking the 236 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: filibuster rule. Remember it was Harry Reid who did it 237 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: initially in two thousand thirteen and opened the door for 238 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell to do it with Supreme Court justices. So this, 239 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: once you open that Pandora's box, it's gonna it's gonna 240 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: unleash all kinds of problems downstream. Let's hear from both 241 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: ends of Pennsylvania Avenue here on sound on. We'll start 242 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: with Jen Psaki, the White House Press Secretary, who has 243 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: asked about exactly what we're discussing here. Where is this 244 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: conversation going anywhere? Have you guys been in touch over 245 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: the holidays? Here's Jen Psaki. We're working in lockstep with 246 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: later Schumer on that I'm getting voting rights done. He's 247 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: obviously put out a timeline for that. We're going to 248 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: work with him on getting that done. Okay, pretty straightforward. 249 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: Remember the timeline, of course for Build Back Better was Christmas. 250 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: But who was counting at this point in January? Chuck Schumer, 251 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: the Majority Leader, speaking as well to this, not build 252 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: back better, but well a little bit of both. It's 253 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: voting rights though that he seems to be leaning into. 254 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: This is Senator Schumer in in the corridors of the 255 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: Senate today. There are many different proposals out there, and 256 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: our caucus is discussing them. There's been lots of serious discussions, 257 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: frankly with Senator Mansion on different proposals, and he's entertaining them. 258 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: He hasn't died. I want to give people the illusion 259 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: that he said he'd be for any of them. At 260 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: this point. It's struggle, but we are engaging in that 261 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: struggle with the hope that we can all come together 262 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: because of the reasons that we're cited. Here are democracies 263 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: at risk. It sounds like Bill back Better all over again, 264 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: Jeannie when you hear Senator Schumer talking talking almost as 265 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: a spokesperson, uh for Joe Manchion. But this is what 266 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: we're leaning into here now. The House already passed something, right, 267 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: Is there a Is there a conversation happening about maybe 268 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: creating a more palatable bill? There should be, you know, 269 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: Rick Scott was on Bloomberg earlier talking about voting rights 270 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: and saying there was some room to maneuver. So while 271 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: the filibuster may not, you know, be the avenue to go, 272 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: what about talking about a voting rights bill that can 273 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: bring a number of Republicans on. There seems to be 274 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: some way to do that, And yet I'm not sure 275 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: at this point if those conversation sations are going forward, 276 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: because the reality is without Joe Manchin and Kristen Cinema, 277 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: we're not going to see a change on Philipbuster. We 278 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: should pass voting rights legislation. There should be bipartisan support 279 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: for at least a modest bill in that regard, and 280 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: that's what I would wish that Democrats in the Senate 281 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: would focus on. How do you answer that as a 282 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: Republican Rick there, that's not a real conversation this year. 283 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: Or is it some version of voting rights that is 284 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: somehow bipartisan. Yeah, I can't imagine getting to sixty votes that. 285 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it's one thing to have a few Republicans 286 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: who do support some of the changes federal changes and 287 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: voting rights or campaign financial form, which is also part 288 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: of that bill. But getting ten Republicans to do it, um, 289 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: that's that's a stretch. I don't I don't see that 290 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: there are ten Republicans will not cross party lines. And 291 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: by the way, this has never been billed as a 292 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: bipartisan bill. There have been discussions with Republican senators over it, 293 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: but the idea of this administration bracing it as a 294 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: bipartisan negotiation where Republicans are sitting at the table crafting 295 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: this bill has not been done today. Seems to me, Jeannie, 296 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: that this week we're going to be marking the January 297 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: six anniversary. Uh, this would be the time to get 298 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: the momentum on something like this, right. This is why 299 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: we're hearing more talk about it as lawmakers return to town. 300 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: That's right, and that's what the administration hopes to do 301 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: on Thursday. We're going to hear that from the President 302 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: and the Vice President apparently Thursday morning at the Capitol, 303 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: and they're going to be talking about the importance of 304 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: this issue and obviously ensuring something like that never happens again, 305 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: and also talking about the need for voting rights. But 306 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: unless they can do this in a bipartisan fashion in 307 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: the way they did hard infrastructure, you're not going to 308 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: see it pass. We feel like we've seen this movie. 309 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 1: You're gonna talk to Rick and Genie again a little 310 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: bit later this hour coming up as we look into 311 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: the year. Head Ratt Bruin joins us with his annual 312 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: Top five Global Risks and the call is coming from 313 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: inside the House. We'll talk with them next on sound 314 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: on Stay with Us Sancho Matthew. 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When you think of the top risks, 321 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: the number one risk facing the US in this new year, 322 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: you might consider things like, well, COVID, I guess to start, 323 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: maybe China or Russia, and some of those are included 324 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: in Brett Bruins annual top list of global risks, but 325 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: they don't top the list, not number one. You might 326 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: be surprised by what does Brett will join us coming 327 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: up from the Global Situation Room. Brett Bruin worked as 328 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: Head of Global Engagement in the Obama White House. Before 329 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: that as a diplomat with field experience in Iraq and Venezuela, 330 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: among other hotspots. He is now president of the Global 331 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: Situation Room, a consulting firm that specializes in crisis management services. 332 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: He's out with his annual Top five Global risks of 333 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: two and I had to know what was on there. Brett, 334 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 1: welcome back. It's great to have you. As I mentioned earlier, 335 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: your number one risk would suggest the call is coming 336 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: from inside the house. It is, and it's not one 337 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: I made lightly, But ultimately I think the problem prone 338 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: process of Joe Biden's foreign policy tossed my list of 339 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: global risks. Number one, it says Biden, so he is 340 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: his own greatest risk. He is, and we've seen a 341 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:01,719 Speaker 1: number of major stumbles in his first year. Afghanistan UH 342 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: top amongst them, obviously going to continue to be a 343 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: source of instability and just a major headache for European 344 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: allies as immigrants UH flood out of the country, not 345 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: to mention, obviously the tororism risk, and that leads us 346 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 1: to the second on the list, which is Afghan refugees. 347 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: We spent time, I guess it was the gosh last 348 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: week of how quickly time goes by. But leading up 349 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: to the new year's reviewing the big stories of the 350 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: year and a lot of things that fell off the 351 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: front pages, bred including Afghanistan. There are so many questions 352 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: that remain unanswered about whether this will eventually become a 353 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: risk to the US by way of being a platform 354 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: for terrorism. What will become of women and girls who 355 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: we told were in great danger? What will become of 356 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: our former allies there who helped us UH prosecute that 357 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: war for the better part of twenty years. Afghan refugees specifically, though, 358 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: make number two on your list. How come they do? 359 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: Because I think they will represent both from a humanitarian 360 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: standpoint as well as a security standpoint, major challenges. And 361 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: this ties back to number one, the inability of this 362 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: administration to come to terms with it. They really have 363 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: sought over the last several months, trying to sweep it 364 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: under the rug and to do some symbolic gestures, but 365 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: we're not seeing the substantive stuff. We're not seeing a 366 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: strategy that is commensurated. M I guess we need to 367 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: reconnect with Brett there as we work our way through 368 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: the list. It's almost like they're listening when that happens. 369 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,239 Speaker 1: But indeed, Afghan refugees number two on this list. As 370 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: we go back to number one, in which Joe Biden 371 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: himself is his own greatest risk according to Brett. Now, 372 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: not everyone's going to agree with this obviously. Brett writes 373 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: that if Biden does not change up his problem prone 374 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: team and the quote path of least resistance unquote approach 375 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 1: to dealing with foreign matters, were likely to see a 376 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: market increase in crisis caused by this neglect and negligence, 377 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: and the refugee issue would be obviously one way to 378 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: get to that. But we want to talk about China 379 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: as well with Brett if we can hopefully reconnect with him, 380 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: as well as Russia, because both of these are happening 381 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: right now, and then of course we'll play this past 382 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: the panel as we try to reconnect here with Brett 383 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: Bruin in terms of China more effective influence operations he's 384 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: writing about here as he was indeed responsible for managing 385 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: some of these threats on the National Security Council in 386 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: those days. Beijing's propaganda, Brett says, was fairly amateurish. They 387 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: tended to pull out of their punches. Not so much 388 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: now as we ask questions about whether the two presidents 389 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: Biden and She may have an opportunity to meet again 390 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: here in the new year, and we're wondering as we 391 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: boycott at least the government side of attending the Olympics. Well, 392 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: not hearing anything about Mr Brett here or anything else 393 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: for that matter. I guess we'll throw this to the 394 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 1: panel if Rick and Jeannie can join us, as we 395 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: at least get through the beginning of this list here. 396 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: Something good must have happened to that phone boy. I'll 397 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: tell you what. You put a man on the moon, 398 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: but getting a cell phone to hold in there for 399 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: eight minutes, Rick Davis is something else. I just wonder 400 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: if you think he's been being a little bit severe 401 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: on Joe Biden here by referring to Joe Biden as 402 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: well Joe Biden's own greatest foreign policy risk this year. Well, 403 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: he Brett has been very outspoken, wrote a very informative 404 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: op ed at the time during the Afghan withdrawal about 405 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: what a disaster that was, and and and recommended that 406 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: Biden fire his uh his national security team, which I 407 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: think probably was some really great advice. And one way 408 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: to mitigate the number one threat two is he describes it. 409 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: So I think I think that was a good start 410 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,479 Speaker 1: for him. What do you think about that, Genie in 411 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: terms of Joe Biden being Joe Biden's greatest risk? You know, 412 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: it's fascinating because I'm so excited to hear you talk 413 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: to Brett, because I am a risk junkie, Joe, and 414 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: I think about it from the concept of some of 415 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: these organizations, and to me, there is some risk in 416 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: terms of Biden's foreign policy team. But this is the 417 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 1: thing about lists, of course, as Brett knows, which is 418 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: there's so much time to debate about that. So you know, 419 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: I hope when you get him back, we can hear 420 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: you know what are the other risk for instance, the pandemic, Brett. 421 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: I apologize. I don't know how long you've been back 422 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: on the line here, Brett, but I wanted to re 423 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: engage with you on China. We went through Afghanistan here, 424 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: but Chinese influence operations make number three on your list, 425 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: and this is this is something that you say they 426 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: are getting much more effective at they are. And I 427 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: remember back at the White House early days when I 428 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: was working on disinformation and trying to counter the threat. 429 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: China was still in the fairly early days of these efforts. 430 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: But it really happened around the Hong Kong protests couple 431 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: of years back, where they sense both the domestic threat 432 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: but also the international danger of how they were losing 433 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 1: some of the information battles around these issues, and so 434 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: they've accelerated their game. And I think one important thing 435 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: for the audience to keep in mind, they've got a 436 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 1: whole lot more tools than Moscow does. They've got trade, 437 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: they've got security capabilities, they have aid on a scale 438 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: that far out paces what Russia can do. Putent's Arctic 439 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: invasion is next. We only have thirty seconds left here breath, 440 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: But I wonder is there a move into Ukraine in 441 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: twenty two or not? There isn't, and I think we've 442 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: got to stay clear eyed that Putin is trying to 443 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: gain leverage here and not get distracted by some of 444 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: these efforts to create a thread. At the same time, 445 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 1: we've got to be strong and we've got to be 446 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: coordinated with our allies. Always a pleasure to speak with 447 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: Brett Bruin with us from the Global Situation Room here 448 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: on sound On. We'll talk to Rick and Jeanie again 449 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: about it next time. Joe Matthew, this is Bloomberg. You're 450 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: listening to Bloomberg you sound on with Joe Matthew on 451 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. We spent time talking threats with Brett Brune. 452 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: One of the biggest though, is not on his list, 453 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: and that would be COVID. The news has been brutal 454 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: over this past week, the last few days, especially as 455 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: oh Macron spreads like wildfire here. We now have a 456 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: state of emergency in the state of Maryland. Talked earlier 457 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: with Gwen Moore, congresswoman from Milwaukee, where public schools are 458 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: going on a virtual path here at least temporarily, as 459 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 1: caseloads hit new highs New York DC, we're seeing staggering numbers. 460 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: The President back out today with more messaging on COVID, 461 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: specifically about testing. The headline on the terminal, Biden says, 462 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 1: added COVID testing capacity should ease lines should being the 463 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: keyword there. It looks like, based on what we're hearing 464 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: from the White House, that we're gonna start having access 465 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: to a lot more tests by the end of this month, 466 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: once the orders go through and some of the work 467 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: that the White House has been doing, these five million 468 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: at home tests get into the system. But right now 469 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: it's lines around the block for a lot of people. 470 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: As we reassemble the panel here hear what Rick and 471 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: Jeanie have to think about some of this stuff. It 472 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: was a really interesting kind of narrative coming out of 473 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: the White House today. We heard from Joe Biden earlier 474 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: and he was begging people, said please, please, please, three 475 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: times get vaccine needed. But the conversation that followed Rick 476 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: and Jeanie in the briefing room afterward was interesting to me. 477 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: Ed O'Keeffe, reporter from CBS, asked the question, big picture 478 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: here when it comes to COVID. Listen to Jen Psaki 479 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 1: speaking with him about the current state of affairs. But 480 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: we reached a point in the pandemic now where he's 481 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: basically saying to Americans except the fact, you may get 482 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: the virus, but if you're vaccinating, it won't be that bad. 483 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: What he's saying to Americans is, we know they're going 484 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: to be breakthrough cases. We've had them at the White House. 485 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 1: We are we're seeing them across the country and certainly 486 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: elevated rates of cases in certain communities across the country, 487 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: including in Washington, d C. But the step that's most 488 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: important that people can take to prevent uh reduced the 489 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: potential for hospitalization and death is to get vaccinated, get boosted. 490 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: He's not telling anyone to accept anything he's just conveying 491 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: to people what they can do to protect themselves. He 492 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: followed on, there was actually more where that came from, 493 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: to ask if there's a sense the country has lost 494 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: control of the virus. And this followed the President speaking 495 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: directly to Americans today saying, hey, look, you might still 496 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: get COVID I'm paraphrasing, but it won't be severe illness. So, Rick, 497 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: is that a problem because the President's being criticized here 498 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,239 Speaker 1: for kind of changing his tune on vaccines. They were 499 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: supposed to allow us to rip our masks off and 500 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: go party, and it's not working out that way. Now 501 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: the vaccine is going to keep you from basically going 502 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: to the hospital. Rick, is that a problem in messaging? Sure? 503 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that this administration had great ambitions 504 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: when they came to office that they were going to 505 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: win the fight against COVID, and there were indications after 506 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: the first year into the summer that they might have 507 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: been successful. But COVID uh metastasize into a macron and 508 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: and arguably I think your point, Joe, that we've lost 509 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: control of this vaccine is actually the effect. I mean, Monday, 510 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: we reported a million new cases in one day, the 511 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: largest single report in world, in the world related to COVID. 512 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: Now some of it was holdover reporting on the holidays, 513 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: but that's an incredible number. A million new cases in 514 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: one day. A week after that was the global number 515 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: we were reporting on exactly, And that's my point. I 516 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: think you have to say that we've lost control this. 517 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,239 Speaker 1: The good news in what President Biden is saying is 518 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: that that that we're surviving that process. And a vaccine 519 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: will help you, but it does not stop the omicron 520 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: uh disease, but it does fortify you against it. So 521 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: before I think arguably we were in a vaccine versus 522 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: unvaccinated world, uh certainly country and and now it doesn't 523 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: seem to be that way. It's just it's a COVID 524 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: world we live in. Have we lost control of the 525 00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: virus here? And of course the White House is never 526 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: gonna to say yes to that, Genie, But what's what's 527 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: your view of reality? Well, the one million you were 528 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: and Rick we're just talking about, of course that's reported cases. 529 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: People are doing at home tests that are not being reported, 530 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: so the actual number probably exceeds that. And you know, 531 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: the real challenge here for the President is that he 532 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: gets this sort of a mixed message out there, which 533 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: is imploring people to get vaccinated, and yet people are 534 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: being told you're still going to get it even though 535 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: you're vaccinated, but it won't be quite so bad. That's 536 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: a very difficult message to communicate. And you couple that 537 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: with the frustration about test shortages and for parents of children, 538 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: and I know you have a sun Joe schools, that 539 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: is a huge challenge. How can people parents go into 540 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: the workforce when schools are now closed again in many 541 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: parts of the country for another two weeks and the 542 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: science on all of this p people are starting to 543 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: question if what the administration is saying now is based 544 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: on science or if it's based on other issues. So 545 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: they're all sorts of challenges for them. They've got to 546 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: get this message straight. This is a big deal, Rick, 547 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: and your genie is right, this whole situation with the 548 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: c d C. And I know they love to refer 549 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: questions to the CDC, but Americans see it is all 550 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: the same. It's all coming out of the executive branch 551 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: of government here and this now five day isolation may 552 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: have factored in the economic benefits of not being out 553 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: for so long. People are saying, wait a minute, here, 554 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: should I believe everything the White House is saying about COVID. 555 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: You told me if I got a vaccine, I wouldn't 556 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: get the virus. Now I'm at home in quarantine and 557 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: this is getting confused. Is this more of a credibility 558 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: problem than a than a public health problem? Rick? Oh, 559 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: for sure. The seed the CDC has become the subject 560 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: of probably the funniest memes I've seen all holiday season. 561 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: That's and that's not where you want. We've all been 562 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: on this program for over a year talking about believing 563 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: the science, staying connected to the science. But but the 564 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: CDC recommendations are almost laughable. And if you if you 565 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: just you know, google CDC memes, you're going to see 566 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: some of the funniest things you've ever seen. And and 567 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: and you'll never want to become a meme. And so 568 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: I think this is one of the things that this 569 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: administration is combating, is that the virus is our worst enemy. 570 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: They're the one. The virus is what's creating the problems 571 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: for us. But our our administration and and our health 572 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: departments uh f, D, A, c DC and others have 573 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: got to create the flexibility to stay with it, and 574 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: I don't see them having that level of discipline right now. 575 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: And if if your opinion is right here, Genie, this 576 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: is a big problem going forward. You've made it clear 577 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: that if the Biden administration cannot succeed with COVID, there's 578 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: nothing else after that. There's no number two. It's a 579 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: credibility issue, it's a success. It's a getting some thing 580 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: done issue. Uh. And it's of course a public health issue. 581 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: But you can't get anything done until this gets done. 582 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: That's right, And that's why so many people talked about 583 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: the odd comment the President made the other day when 584 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: he sort of suggested that there's not much the federal 585 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,399 Speaker 1: government can do about this, and yet that was the 586 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,320 Speaker 1: whole reason he ran for president and what he promised 587 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: to do. And of course the White House tried to 588 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,760 Speaker 1: walk that back and sort of explain what he was saying. 589 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,839 Speaker 1: But it's added to this sense of confusion coming out 590 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,240 Speaker 1: of the White House. I can't tell you the number 591 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: of people I've talked to who talked just about the 592 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: issue of masks. Now we're being told that these cotton 593 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: masks were wearing don't work. You have to have the 594 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: end nine well, where are those masks and why are 595 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: we getting mixed messages on that? So there's got to 596 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: be some consistency here. It's got to come from the administration. 597 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: If they can't get their ends around COVID, there's a 598 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: very little else they're going to be able to claim 599 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,879 Speaker 1: they can do and effectively, at least as they walk 600 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: into this midterm election. I feel like this is one 601 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: of those conversations. We're gonna be playing back portions of 602 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: it in a couple of months here, and I really 603 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 1: hope it's not for the wrong reason. UH. To finish 604 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: on a somewhat humorous note here, I bet both of 605 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: you guys had blackberries. I bet you loved your BlackBerry, 606 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: Rick Davis, am I right? It's one of the few 607 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: times I had to go to the hospital. I had 608 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: BlackBerry thumb. I love my blackbird. You heard today it's 609 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,800 Speaker 1: all done, Jennie. Come on. The company a company formerly 610 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 1: known as Research in Motion, it's actually called BlackBerry. Note 611 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: UH says it will no longer be expected the software 612 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: no longer expected to reliably function after today, marking the 613 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 1: end of an incredible period of time. And I'm going 614 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: to bring it back to two thousand seven to the U. S. 615 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: Senate Here February nine, two thousand seven. Listen to a 616 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 1: guy named Barack Obama. I recognize that a lot of 617 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: time has been spent, and understandably so, on the Middle East. 618 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: That's but I want to maybe shift gears. I'm trying 619 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 1: to causing I think it's a microphone system. No, it's 620 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 1: the BlackBerry. The BlackBerry. I want to maybe broaden the 621 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: discussion in the brief time that I have to to 622 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 1: get a sense from you. For people in the radio business, 623 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: and for people like Rick and Genie who spent far 624 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 1: too much time in TV and radio studios, there's just 625 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: something quaint about that sound. Remember this, Genie, I do, 626 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: and and the kids don't know what they're missing now 627 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: that BlackBerry is gone. This is a very sad day, Joe. 628 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: All I know is I want my keyboard back. But 629 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,919 Speaker 1: I'll take you back even further. I'm just gonna cast out. 630 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna cast about here in our remaining thirty seconds. 631 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,399 Speaker 1: Rick Davis, I bet you had a palm, Pilot. Did 632 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,800 Speaker 1: you have a palm? I did have a palm. It 633 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: was it was very in and I wanted to be 634 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: in the worst of the coolest toy in the world. Jeannie, 635 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: did you have a palm that you would sink with 636 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: your computer at night? I did, and I just got 637 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: so excited when you mentioned that I missed those days. 638 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: Well rest in peace, BlackBerry, and we remember you. Finally, 639 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:22,240 Speaker 1: Palm Pilot. Thanks to the panel as always, Rick and Jeannie, 640 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: they know where you're coming from. I'm Joe Matthew. This 641 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg.