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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversation. I am your host, Rushan McDonald.

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Speaker 1: Each Money Making Conversation talk show is about entrepreneurship and entertainment.

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Speaker 1: hair business at the age of twelve. I can tell

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Speaker 1: he became First Lady Michelle Obama's personal hairstylus and helped

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Speaker 1: welcome to Money Making Conversations. My man Johnny Wright. I

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Speaker 1: gig was me cutting and screaming. And first of all,

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Speaker 1: I always tell people they can't edit with you don't

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Speaker 1: give them. I have never given them that anyway. But

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Speaker 1: at the same time, you know, just to be in

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Speaker 1: a situation they wanted and people are trying to cohert

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Speaker 1: you to do stuff like that. I just did not

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Speaker 1: want to do anything like that. So I was very

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Speaker 1: happy that the universe put this in my lap and

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Speaker 1: I was able to do this show. Very happy so far.

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Speaker 1: The worst, the worst one I've seen so far? What

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Speaker 1: the what the what? The girl who had to burn

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Speaker 1: on her head looked like a giant bubble or hump?

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Speaker 1: Yeah what she got stuck by the needle, right, that one,

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Speaker 1: well you know what she remember, you know she got burned.

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Speaker 1: Remember she put there, put they put there. I believe

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Speaker 1: that they die on their hair. I remember they started tingling.

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Speaker 1: You said it was it Tingland? Was it Tingland? And

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Speaker 1: they showed yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that one that looked

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Speaker 1: pretty bad. Dude, that little you know, say tuned. There's

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Speaker 1: so many more that's gonna really you're not gonna bit

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Speaker 1: choose which one is the worst one, because no, I'm

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Speaker 1: just telling you. I just started watching. I would just

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Speaker 1: let you know I'm a faid. Come on now, let

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Speaker 1: me be a faith brother. I appreciate it. Now. How

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Speaker 1: how has the response been so far with the with

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Speaker 1: the fans, with you tell of visual ratings, with social

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Speaker 1: right he just started the new one of the Stars,

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Speaker 1: really positive. You know, we had a conversation, we had

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Speaker 1: and they said they're extremely happy with this show. It's

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Speaker 1: trending upwards every week. Um, they said, with the number

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Speaker 1: right now. Um, so it's doing really really well. You know,

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Speaker 1: we haven't got the announcement if it's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: I think it should be. Um, and it's just it's

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Speaker 1: a fun show. So yeah, it's doing very well all

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Speaker 1: they feel. But I have not had one negative comment

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Speaker 1: what that's what I'm talking about me. That's what I'm

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Speaker 1: But it still stocked me when I see it there.

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Speaker 1: It looks amazing. Well John, that one, thank you for

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Speaker 1: my man, James Browner. All right, thank you for having

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Speaker 1: me on. Rashan glad to be here with you. First

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Speaker 1: serious conversation. I have a brother who has three barbershops

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Speaker 1: and of course he's nowhere near where the business uh

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Speaker 1: a voice. You are a brand that uh that is

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Speaker 1: on the beauty in barber industry for African Americans. It's

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Speaker 1: had a very heavy impact, as you can imagine. UM.

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Speaker 1: I talked with one barber not too long ago, and

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Speaker 1: he was saying that he's had a shop over thirty

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Speaker 1: he's always worked, he has a strong work after he

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Speaker 1: has always gotten up early in the morning and worked

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Speaker 1: until late in the evening. And this is the first

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Speaker 1: time since he's been a teenager that he was not

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Speaker 1: able to use his god given craft and it just

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Speaker 1: he just said, this was I mean, it just had

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Speaker 1: him literally in tears. He didn't know how to function.

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Speaker 1: And he said, you know, even he had clients cash

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Speaker 1: even that that it just wasn't the same because he

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Speaker 1: hard and it's going to be a long term impact

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Speaker 1: because estimating at least twenty of the shops will not

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Speaker 1: be opening back up. So it is a very difficult

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Speaker 1: situation for a lot of industries, but especially our industry.

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Speaker 1: And it's the other unique thing about it is is

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Speaker 1: you're not able to actually work six ft apart. So

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Speaker 1: you know, restaurants, you can keep your distance a little bit,

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Speaker 1: but if you're doing someone's hair, whether it's barbering or cosmetology,

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Speaker 1: you know you have to be hands on with that.

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Speaker 1: But we did produce videos to show them how to

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Speaker 1: do that in the safest manner. The good thing is

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Speaker 1: that they did release a report last week. They had

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Speaker 1: a two stylists working together that both tested positive. They

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Speaker 1: had a hundred and thirty something clients that they had

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Speaker 1: done during that time when they were positive, but because

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Speaker 1: little bit. Uh, seeing that case study, Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: that I'm assuming that they were masked and the and

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Speaker 1: the customer wore a mask. Okay. And then like my brother,

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Speaker 1: he's like put like, this is just him what he's

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Speaker 1: some symbols of isolation, so you in conversation or whatever,

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't pass. Uh. He's done things on a reservation

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Speaker 1: only basis, uh, not allowing multiple people in the studio

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Speaker 1: at one time. And the reason we were saying that

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Speaker 1: because according to the CDC, African Americans have been disupportingly

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Speaker 1: impacted by COVID nteen and black barbers and styles and

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Speaker 1: make up a continent of your show, and which is

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Speaker 1: generally about thirty people attend your show. So that being said,

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Speaker 1: what was when you when you start, when you start

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Speaker 1: by the business because we all had to pivot, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, James, We all have to things

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00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: go walk can't do it like that, or you try

640
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: to hold in and hope and pray that the situation

641
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: gets better. When you started not to get better, what

642
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: went through your team mind and when did you start

643
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: making the change. We have to go virtual team. We

644
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: can't do this live. But first of all, we were

645
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: highly blessed to make it through our last shelf, which

646
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: was in February. We were in februwhere and we actually

647
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: had about fifteen vendors that don had already paid that

648
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: could not exhibit because they were coming from China, So

649
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: that that was when the travel had just gotten blocked.

650
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: And then we had others that were worried about being

651
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: among them. So we were able to calm them down

652
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: and say, hey, the Chinese are not able to come

653
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: in because of the travel band, but they felt more

654
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: comfortable coming in. So had it had it been two

655
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: or three weeks later, it would have really impacted us then.

656
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: So from there we we kind of just looked at

657
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: the data from week to week, and when we we

658
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: saw it kind of going even through the hotter weeks,

659
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: we were really worried that it wouldn't go away, like

660
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: the President said, when the heat came, So we we

661
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: looked at the data and and and we we knew

662
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: people had to make travel arrangements, so we said we

663
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: would rather be on the front end of this thing,

664
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: and if we go virtual, it's not something that we

665
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: have done before. It's gonna take time to make that pivot,

666
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: and we had to renegotiate hotel contracts and the conference center,

667
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: so that a lot of moving pieces involved. We have

668
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: a lot of partners who set up booze and do

669
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: a v and all of that for us, so it

670
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: wasn't just us, but it was a lot of partners,

671
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: a lot of jobs on the line. So we we

672
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: looked at it, and then we knew we were being

673
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: disproportionately affected. So we didn't want to be a guinea pig,

674
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: you know, for how large conventions and gatherings handle this pandemic.

675
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: So we made the decision for the long term that

676
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: we want to keep our people safe, and we went

677
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: ahead as as early as possible and made that decision

678
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: to go over the virtual. So we've been working on

679
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: that now, uh for probably six weeks, and we will

680
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: will be open line for registration within the next week.

681
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: When you get that that that registration, please give me

682
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: a banner so I can post it for you, because

683
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: that's how that's how we're gonna win here, James. We

684
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: have to win together, you know, we have to be

685
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: able to network. We have to have understand that as

686
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: a community. This is a community interview because of the

687
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: fact that I know I have a brother who's involved.

688
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: I'm African Americans. I know the African American I know

689
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: I have to mask up. I'm not listening to these

690
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: people out here talking about not wearing a mask. You know,

691
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: we are being overtly effect that when the when the

692
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 1: CDC came out in April, eight out of ten people

693
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: who had coronavirus in Atlanta were African Americans. That's right,

694
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: that's right, and that information is not being put out there.

695
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: And so you have to deal with that, juggle with

696
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: with with an audience that's being suffering financially and then

697
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: being misinformed. And then I love this quote that you

698
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 1: I got I pulled off your website, James. I want

699
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: to say that you Barber's and Stylus do more than

700
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: cut and style our hair. They are trusted advisors, friends

701
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: and entrepreneurs, our extended family. Their shops also offer a

702
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: safe haven and a hub for our community in the

703
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 1: midst of this unpredictable feminine they deserve our support. Wow. Yeah. Yeah,

704
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: And along with that, we started a beauty UH and

705
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: barber release funds and we did get with some of

706
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: our partners and raise money for them, and those checks

707
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: are gone out now, so we had a lot of

708
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: people to apply that would give them five hundred to

709
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars of extra stamulus. So that's another thing

710
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: that we did beside the training video, and we also

711
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: began to try to help them source of this ppe

712
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: material because that's that was another thing, like when the

713
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: hand sanitizer ran out. You know, how are you gonna

714
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: help your clients when you can't even sanitize your hands

715
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: and sanitize their hands coming in. So we actually when

716
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: this thing first hit the other pivot we had to do.

717
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of the BEAUTYUM and barber stores

718
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: were closed, so our products sales dropped in half as

719
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: a company, so you know, we hire, we employed over

720
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: a hundred people are pretty much all African Americans, so

721
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: that was another internal impact for the community. So in

722
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: order to keep those jobs going. Yeah, we we looked

723
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: at what we had and what we could do, and

724
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: we did have alcohol from some of our products like

725
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: Pump it Up, so we began to take those alcohol

726
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: tanks and went in the lab and and created hand

727
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: sanitizer that was moisturizing, and we again to send that

728
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: out to the stylusts and the barber's as well. You're

729
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: selling online, James said, yes, yeah, you can get that

730
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: at Brunner Brothers dot com as well as the virtual

731
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: show as well, and that the product is called Journalists.

732
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: So we know we have two versions. We've got a

733
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: jail and then we also have a four rex formula

734
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: that has four functions. So because in the shops they

735
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: have to spray down not only clean their hands, but

736
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: they have to clean the equipment and the chairs and

737
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: the door handles, so they can spray their equipment and

738
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: the mirrors and the chairs. So that's a spray formula,

739
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: so that we've got we've got two versions there. Wow, Well,

740
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: you know you gotta went to Georgia Tech. You know, scholarship,

741
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: you know, and degreed engineer. My degree is in mathematics,

742
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: so so you ain't a path now, Beauty and Barbara,

743
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: but you then you just spilled all that chemical chemistry

744
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: information in front of just you know, just let me know.

745
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: I'm talking to an engineer here. Did you you know

746
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: that knowledge? You know, I always tell people, man, you

747
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: know that you know you could always be on the journey.

748
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: It's not saying that, you know, we just do one

749
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: on any opportunity that's given to you. That's what that's

750
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: that's a firm belief in my DNA. And when I

751
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: when I looked through your resume, it was throughout the

752
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: whole thing that you basically have been a serial entrepreneurs

753
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: as a young kid and then to go to college

754
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: and we all know Georgia Tech, you you best be

755
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 1: on your on your best academic behavior up at Georgia Tech.

756
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: Talk about that journey. And then then coming into the business,

757
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: the brother brother business which has been aroused is what

758
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: in eighteen four seven? That's correct. Okay, So my father

759
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: he vision okay, yeah, yeah. So so he had he

760
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: had kind of a three pronged priority system that he

761
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: ran his life by and that was God first, family second,

762
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: and business third. And that was very instrumental in our

763
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: organization because he put his family above the business and

764
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: that made a difference in the longevity. Um when I

765
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: counsel entrepreneurs sometimes and they asked me about, you know,

766
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: how we did, you know, seventy something years, and you know,

767
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 1: I would tell him, if you want to have a

768
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: successful business for you know, tim the twenty years, and

769
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: you need to have a great product of service. But

770
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: if you want to go fifty seventy a hundred years,

771
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: you need a great and strong family because you're only

772
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: going to be at a worker for so long. So

773
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: if you want multigenerational you you do have to focus

774
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: on that next generation and train them. And that was

775
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: the mindset that my father was in. I remember another

776
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: entrepreneur asked him when he was approaching eighty. He was like,

777
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: you know, what what would happen to Brunner brothers if

778
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: you die one day? And he thought about it, he said,

779
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: what do you mean if he's I'm gonna die one day?

780
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: So he understood that. He began to train us from

781
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: an early age and uh we started in business. Actually, uh,

782
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: I started that five years old with the paper rock.

783
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: So he wanted us. He didn't want us to just

784
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: start in the office and skip a lot of the

785
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 1: steps started at five or the paper rout before I

786
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 1: knew how to ride a bicycle. I had to walk

787
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: it before school in the morning. Then when we started

788
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: in the company, he started us from the lowest levels

789
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: from sweeping the floors to putting stick us on the

790
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: cap to the selling jars, and he worked us all

791
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: the way through. So I worked in the counting one summer,

792
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: the lab, one summer shifting, one summer with the salesman,

793
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: or one summer. So he gave us a range of

794
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: experience throughout the business so we would understand each department.

795
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: We would appreciate the employees and and really know what

796
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: they're doing. So that was kind of our upbringing. He

797
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: never gave us an allowance, so we had to earn everything,

798
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: so so that gave us an appreciation for money. UM

799
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: he would teach us to invest that money to help

800
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: it grow. So so that's that was kind of our upbringing.

801
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 1: And that's so that gave good work ethic in school.

802
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: I went to Benjamin Eliga Maize Middle School, I mean

803
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: high school rather UM, which is all black school here

804
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. That work ethic from the business helped me

805
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: to graduate as the top black mail in my class,

806
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: and that helps with a scholarship at Georgia Tech and UM.

807
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: I was able to use that UM that degree within

808
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: computer engineering. So I brought that into the business. Computer engineer,

809
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna brag even more. You know you're gonna work

810
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: not just engineering though, Jane, computer engineer. See see my

811
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: degree in mathematics. I was in that engineering course. I'm

812
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: gonna Jane, But physics took me out. Physics took me

813
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: having thought. So if you ever see me, you always say,

814
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: my boy, you couldn't have that physics. I have to

815
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: tell you alright, James, you know you're told about several

816
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: weeks ago. By six weeks ago, you guys say, hey,

817
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: we're gonna pivot, We're gonna go virtual. What was the

818
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: early planning stages? Because virtual sounds simple. You still had exhibitors, right,

819
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: and you know it's a lot going on for for

820
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: for for this event to go online. So the team,

821
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: let's talk about that team chemistry. You just had to

822
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: pull together because it's a difference in having a physical event.

823
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: You go where, the boot go there, the boot go there,

824
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: people come through this door. You've about the ticket, so

825
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: now you have to sell it a different way. That's right,

826
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: that's right. So it's definitely been a learning experience and

827
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: a shifting experience for the entire team. Because because computers

828
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: and technology was my native field, that actually worked to

829
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 1: my advantage. So we're about the only show out that

830
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: had a director that actless field was in computer So

831
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: I worked that out even though that you know who

832
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: I was going to need it and the feuds beautiful,

833
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know such the time as this was comment

834
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: but so that that came in handy. So the first

835
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: stage was really finding the anoledgy platform and partner that

836
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: would be to support us in the virtual world to

837
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: try to mimic as close to possible the physical world.

838
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: For the first thing I had to do was look

839
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: at all of the platforms out there, stream Technology and

840
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: you Go stream yall went through probably the thirty to

841
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: forty platforms myself. And then because I had a vision

842
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: of what I wanted, I didn't want them to just

843
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: have an experience like Zoom, but I actually wanted them

844
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: to have something that they hadn't seen before that was

845
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: a more three D because we're a visual industry, so actually,

846
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: so we're creating something that's gonna look like the sims

847
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 1: or you'll have these avatars, and we even paid extra

848
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: to have them our skin tones, and we could be

849
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: reflected accurately and with clothes and everything, so we would

850
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: be to make it look like our people. I feel

851
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: like our show from our building we're normally in. So

852
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: you'll be to walk in with this little avatar, and

853
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: then you'll be to choose where you want to go,

854
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: whether it be the exhibit hall, classes, competitions, and and

855
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 1: and once you go in the exhibit home, you'll have

856
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: these three d bulls represented from each exhibitor. Let's let's

857
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: go down, James. I want, I want to break it

858
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: down because you know, you know, you know what you're doing,

859
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: you know, and so the first part is let you

860
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: tell everybody breaking it all down. So I can't let

861
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: you just, you know, just slide through like you talking

862
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: to the staff, all of experts. Okay, I've got a

863
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: lot of people in this call here, Bro don't know

864
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. Okay, So you know he is

865
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: the beauty of you know, because I feel, you know,

866
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 1: I've I've become since the money making conversation, that I've

867
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: become like a pandemic expert. And one of the blessings

868
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: out of it for African American has been the use

869
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: of technology. Okay, we have had to accept the responsibility

870
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 1: of educating ourselves and learning that this was a tool

871
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: we probably should have been doing all along. And reason

872
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: reason not say that is that you know, you've had

873
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: to physical events annually ever since I've been knowing you.

874
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: Now you got this virtual event. This almost feels like

875
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: it's gonna be two plus a virtual every year moving forward. Correct,

876
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: That's that's where we got to see. So we because

877
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: we've never done it, We're gonna see how this turns out.

878
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: If it turns out really well and people want it, yeah,

879
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: we we will all add a virtue. Yeah, because you know,

880
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: because now you know that could be like because in

881
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: that shopp reason I say that is that it may

882
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: not be as massive as this, but you know that

883
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: heavy shopping and that November December time frame could be

884
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing. If this works out the way you're

885
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 1: gonna do it, because once the pandemic comes down, we're

886
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: gonna go back to the physical exhibits. That's the beauty

887
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: of caring. If you've never been to a brother brothers,

888
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: that's the beauty of going to a brother brothers. Just

889
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: going up and down the aisle and sending this activity

890
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: and that big old stage and all this stuff that's

891
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: going on, but now we're going virtual. I went to

892
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: the website and at the at the on the front

893
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: of the UH, it's a slider, and I wrote down

894
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: each one of the sliders I want to talk about,

895
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: and he's one of these sliders, said, this is what's

896
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: going to happen at this year's event, and the first

897
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: lid of said multistate c EU credits, educate skills and

898
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: build your business. Tell us what that's all about. So,

899
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: once you get a cosmetology license, you are required to

900
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: get these continuing education hours in order to keep your

901
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 1: license active on different states have different regulations. So you'll

902
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: be able to with the virtual show take those classes

903
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: that will give you credit to be able to keep

904
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: your license active. So that's what those CEU classes are. Yeah,

905
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: my wife she goes and she's an optometrist, and so

906
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: she has to go to these she has to I'm

907
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: assuming this is exactly what in order to keep our license,

908
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: she has to go through these different seminars. And if

909
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: you and you have to get credit for or they're

910
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: taking all your life is or suspend your your use

911
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: and so it's just something that you've always done at

912
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: the event, or it's just something that you're looking at

913
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: it now. It's something you may offer in a virtual

914
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 1: format in the future. Yeah, we do have those classes

915
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: at the physical shows. So we always have a certain

916
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: selection because we don't want people to have to look

917
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: and go somewhere else to try to find a college

918
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: or something to go take them, so we make it

919
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: convenient where you can get your continuing education credit classes there.

920
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: We know there was it was something I learned about it,

921
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: but I didn't know really that the average Brother Brothers shows, like,

922
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: what is it three days? Correct? Okay, the first day

923
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: is like education, right, it focuses on it. Yeah, yeah,

924
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: and that was something I didn't know. So really, when

925
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: I think that's that's important that people understand that the

926
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: event is about education, is also about the everybody the headlines,

927
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: get the hair show, the products and all that, but

928
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: there's a day that's dedicated right there to educate people,

929
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: especially African in the beauty in Barbara Fields. I think,

930
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: do you think a moment to expound on that? Because

931
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: I didn't know about that, and when I found out

932
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: about it, I just took a deep breath and go wow.

933
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: That's powerful and and that's something that we want people

934
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: to you know, stay refreshing the skills. And that's true

935
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: what I'm most with any field. So if you don't

936
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: continually learn, your fall behind. So we focus on education

937
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: so that um the stylus can take their careers to

938
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: another level and then take their clients to another level.

939
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: And we do it holistically because sometimes our community, you know,

940
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: they don't get the money training, the health training, the

941
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: relationship training. So we don't just do hair, skin and

942
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 1: nail classes, but we also you know, teach you how

943
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: to improve your credit and you know, how to save

944
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: and invest your money because we've seen so many throughout

945
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: the years styler is making you know, six figures, but

946
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: yet retiring without any savings and that just breaks our heart.

947
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: Are so we so we do bring in financial teachers,

948
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: we do teach them, uh, legal things, we do teach

949
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: them health things. Actually did Gregor. He used to come

950
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: every year and teach our health class. So so we

951
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: wanted to be holistic to just uplift the community. And

952
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: and also because you know, they are the advisors to

953
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 1: the community, so people come in and talk about health wise,

954
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: what all they have going on? They talk about their

955
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: relationships in the chair. One time I did a message

956
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: called one Swiveling Pew, and I talked about they might

957
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: not have a big church, but they got one pew

958
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 1: with one person at the time at swevel so so

959
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: so we want to educate them so they can go

960
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: back and educate the community. And we have over a

961
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: hundred classes per Shaw. Now it was something that really

962
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: caught by eye. You said three hundred companies? Was up

963
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: to three hundred company will still exhibit doing the virtual show?

964
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: Is that correct? Yes, and we're still working on those numbers,

965
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: so it'll be anywhere from one fifty to three hundred.

966
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:08,439
Speaker 1: And first of all, still amazing. How does that work?

967
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring it up. How does that work

968
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 1: if a person listened to my show because it's gonna

969
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: air prior to September twenty seven eight, how could they

970
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: be a part of and how would this show? Virtually?

971
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: So everything will be at Brougher Brothers dot com and

972
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: it'll show basically you will have this this three D

973
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: looking booth where you'll be able to customize it with

974
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: your company's graphics and then you will be able to

975
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: have my online store built in, so we already have

976
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: the credit card process and built into your booth, and

977
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: you'll be the loads of products and put your show deals,

978
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: and you'll be to load your your videos, your handouts

979
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,280
Speaker 1: and PDF. So people that have these virtual swag bags,

980
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: they can come by click on your implication, see your video,

981
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: see your your your handouts, see your show deals, purchase

982
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 1: them right there and you get the money on your bank.

983
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: Now they want to talk to you. Then they will

984
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: be to click one of three things that you're booth.

985
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 1: There will be to click and do a video chat

986
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: with you and be right there at your home office,

987
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: or and there'll be at the video talk with your salespeople.

988
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: Or they'll be able to do audio or text. So

989
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: those are the three ways you'll be to communicate from

990
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: exhibitor to consumer. That's beautiful. Now I gotta go to

991
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 1: the big the big show stopper here, the world famous

992
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: hair battles always had the biggest crowds. I always had

993
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: the biggest crowds. Now I knew if you go virtual,

994
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: you had to come with the hair battle. Tell everybody

995
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna be live, It's gonna be live. Tell everybody,

996
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: how you breaking that down, James, Come on now, get

997
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: it's excited, all right. So the hair about it, it

998
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: involves a lot of props and a lot of things.

999
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: So we're actually not gonna be able to do what

1000
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: we normally do. So what we're gonna do is go

1001
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: back through the last ten years and of hair battles

1002
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 1: and we're gonna pull out those most eye inspiring prison

1003
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: So we're gonna put all of those together. That's like

1004
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: the best of the best. So you might have missed

1005
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: years and you'll be that we're gonna go back and

1006
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 1: put those in the one streaming hair battle, the best

1007
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: of the best. Theory you got hot Um, Well, they

1008
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 1: had a lot of them had built in the host,

1009
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: so we'll we'll use those hosts. Uh Like Tamar Braxton

1010
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 1: hosted one of the last ones, so if they had

1011
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: different hosts, so we'll incorporate some of that in the East.

1012
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: Come you gotta you gotta have a host. Though it's

1013
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: like it's like just a just a just an energized

1014
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: person right there, just talking about if you missed this

1015
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: half table, tell them what they missed. Come on table,

1016
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: tell them what you gotta have that because let's just

1017
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 1: tall you some man. The hair battle, your half battle

1018
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: is the is the bomb of the show? You know so?

1019
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: But I know what you you You just said a

1020
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: technical guy just spoke there, Okay, Jane. Now this is

1021
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: an energize creative guy talking to you. Everything you said,

1022
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: everything you say, good word. But you gotta have that

1023
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: that that that one little spark plug. They're gonna bring

1024
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: them all in. Are y'all ready? Come on? Come on,

1025
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: are y'all ready for the show? Are y'all ready for

1026
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: the show. We're gonna take you to the north. We're

1027
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: gonna take you to the We're gonna take you to

1028
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: the South. We get everything. But right here, that's all

1029
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,479
Speaker 1: I'm asking. Everything you said is beautiful. Just put a host,

1030
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: put a fantastic host just to just can keep everybody

1031
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: energized and give those little nuggets. When they come back

1032
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: to him, he's gonna throw them to the she will

1033
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: throw them to the next location. Now I got excited

1034
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: because I gotta go to the next category. Be entertained

1035
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 1: with comedy and music. Yeah, so we're gonna have live

1036
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: g d J. And that's for you, comedic host. Come in,

1037
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: sall make it's on the same page were on the

1038
00:54:53,680 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: same page. We don't you don't think about it. You

1039
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: know the thing about it? You know, I I love

1040
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: your brand. You know I love your brother. You know

1041
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: we do. We always run into Vegas somewhere. We're gonna

1042
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: run into each other. And uh, and we've always wanted

1043
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: to say, we're gonna do business one day together. And

1044
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 1: we and and I want to just say, I'm I'm

1045
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: launching a new platform called HBC Awards and recognizing the

1046
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: HBC used for the academics, but I'm also recognizing what

1047
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 1: I can tell the community pillars, churches, barbers and beauty salons.

1048
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: And and because like as you state that, that's why

1049
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: I was so moved by your statement, because you and

1050
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:38,919
Speaker 1: people ask me, why are you doing that short I said,

1051
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 1: because people don't really understand the value appreciate the values

1052
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 1: for black barber and beauty salons due to the community

1053
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: and how they affect the community and how they will

1054
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 1: always be staples of the community. I don't care if

1055
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: they move, if they're in the white neighborhood and Black

1056
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,959
Speaker 1: people in that neighborhood and the barber shop talking and communicating.

1057
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: And so I'm gonna keep it. Once all right, finished

1058
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: my web somethe I'm gonna send it to you and

1059
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: somehow I want us to start uh shaking shape shaking

1060
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: each other's hands, because what you do and what I've

1061
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: done with the Neighborhood Awards and what I'm about to

1062
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: do with the HBCU Awards, I feel go hand in hand,

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Speaker 1: d C. But was raised in Durham, North Carolina. That

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Speaker 1: is where he That is where his journey started to

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Speaker 1: become a legendary style icon and um former creative director

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Speaker 1: of Bold Magazine. His new memoir, The Chiffon Trenches offers

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Speaker 1: a candid look at who's who are the last fifty

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Speaker 1: years of fashion. This engaged in memoir tales with raw honesty.

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Speaker 1: The story how he not only survived the brutal style landscape,

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Speaker 1: but thrive despite racism, illictit rumors, and all the other

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Speaker 1: challenges of this notoriously cut through industry to become one

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Speaker 1: of the most renowned voices in fact, faces and fashion.

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Speaker 1: Please work with the money making conversation. It's the Andre

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Speaker 1: Leon tally, good morning, how are you pretty? Get my frame? Uh,

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Speaker 1: let's get through. Let's look thank you for calling them

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Speaker 1: on money making conversation, sir. Yeah, Let's let's talk about

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Speaker 1: your style on the cover, because I was reading the

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Speaker 1: book and in the book there's a photo in eighty

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Speaker 1: three that shows you sporting a very similar hat to

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Speaker 1: what you're sporting on the cover right now, and then

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00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: I go further back there's a similar style, but there's

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Speaker 1: more more a floppy brim on it. Now, Okay, you

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Speaker 1: know I'm a fashion guy, so so I loved you.

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Speaker 1: I had a great time reading the book. But let's

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Speaker 1: talk about this look on the cover right quick. This

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Speaker 1: hat that I saw in three, but the earlier version,

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Speaker 1: earlier with the floppy brow, yeah hat, it's the same

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Speaker 1: hat that's taken in the photograph. It's the same heat

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Speaker 1: I took in a photograph on the cover, and that

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Speaker 1: it's the hat that I've had most of my adult life.

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Speaker 1: I was born in England. It's a classic voter And

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Speaker 1: the floppy one was a Paris hat. That was a

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Speaker 1: hat that had been bought in purchased in Paris, and

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Speaker 1: I don't have that sloppy one the early one. I

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Speaker 1: don't know where it may have it at home in

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Speaker 1: the closet, I'm not sure. But the one I have

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Speaker 1: on the cover and in eighty three, it's the hat

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Speaker 1: to always travel with me. I've kept it all this

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Speaker 1: time and it's my signature had. I love the hat.

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Speaker 1: It's the hat that I think it expresses who I am.

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01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: I think it's classic. I think it's it's it's symbolizes jazz,

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01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: creativity and elegant. Well, you know I've worn hats. You know,

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01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: I don't wear hats anymore like I used to. And

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01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: when I go I had like several of them, like

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Speaker 1: three different styles, and you you you locked into a

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Speaker 1: signature brand, which is commendable so so, but you had

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Speaker 1: to go through several before you got to this one

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01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: hat here. Yes, well I did, I did, I did,

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Speaker 1: as I said. The one of the floppy soft floppy

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01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: one was a very beautiful hat from Paris. Friends came

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01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: to me in about the seventies. Well, but as a child,

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Speaker 1: I was drawn to two hats, and I think I

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Speaker 1: had beautiful hats when I was a child, like you know,

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Speaker 1: going to church. I'm not extravagant. These straw hats, but

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Speaker 1: you know, felt hats and snow caps and ski caps

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Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. I've always been drawn

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Speaker 1: to a hat. I think it's just a exclamation point

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Speaker 1: to your look. Absolutely. You know, it's really interesting. In

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Speaker 1: your book, you said you found your fantasy world in books,

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01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: records and classical music need a Samon and Linda Franklin,

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Speaker 1: And in the age of twelve of your world became

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Speaker 1: the glossy pages of Vogue. Talking about that journey of

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Speaker 1: those because I know that I always tell people you

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Speaker 1: you find yourself when you're young, and if you and really,

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Speaker 1: if you understand that's where your gifts really are there

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Speaker 1: when you're in your forties and fifties, you should be

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Speaker 1: making money money off your gifts. If you to what

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Speaker 1: I did. I did, I made money. I got good

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Speaker 1: paychecks and U thirty eight ard years. Someone asked me

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Speaker 1: in England on a radio show, why aren't you stay

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01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: there for so long? And I said, because of the paychecks.

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Speaker 1: It was a good paychecks. Well, you know, and when

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Speaker 1: I discovered Vogue magazine and New York the Durham Public Library,

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Speaker 1: it was a revelation to me. It was a world

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Speaker 1: that I was unexposed to in my home, and it

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Speaker 1: was a beautiful world. It was a world of literature, art, music,

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Speaker 1: glamorous people, famous people, beautiful people, and it was a

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Speaker 1: world of substance style. And I just gravitated towards that.

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Speaker 1: I love Vogue, and I loved any sort of um

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Speaker 1: tributary that came off the river, Vogue, Life magazine. Stali

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Speaker 1: Purpling was a great editor. She had great fashion stories

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Speaker 1: in New York Times, fashion supplements. So I just I

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01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 1: was an only child, and I just was pretty much

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01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: was a loner. And I when people were playing basketball

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01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: or baseball, I was in my house tearing out the

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Speaker 1: pages of Vogue, not for the beautiful pictures only, but

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Speaker 1: for the words. For what the words spoke to me.

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Speaker 1: The stories spoke to me, the way that people looking

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Speaker 1: at homes spoke to me, the way the men. They

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Speaker 1: had a column called Men in Vogue by Camille do A.

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Speaker 1: He was French, he lived in New York and I

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Speaker 1: met him and he just took his column Men in Vogue,

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Speaker 1: this is just where I wanted to be. They were

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Speaker 1: velvet jackets, they wore shirts with ruffles, they were velvet slippers,

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Speaker 1: and it was all very much what I wanted to be,

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Speaker 1: and I dreamed about this world and I suddenly was

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Speaker 1: thrust into this world. I went to Vogue as a

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Speaker 1: news editor. I was smoted to create a director. Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to get to vote yet, because your

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Speaker 1: journey to Vogue is an interesting one. And that's it's

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Speaker 1: a compelling one because in the book you talk about

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Speaker 1: you know when I don't talk about it. These are

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Speaker 1: actual dealing with racism, dealing with rumors, dealing with lives,

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01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: deal with name calling and all that. But let's even

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Speaker 1: go further back when you're in your youth, when you

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01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: when your your parents brought you from DC to live

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Speaker 1: with your great grandmother and your grandmother and grandmother grandmother.

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Speaker 1: Tell us about that experience, because that's where your faith

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Speaker 1: really was. Growing up in my grandmother's house and the

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Speaker 1: only child, I was pampered, I was spoiled. I was

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Speaker 1: that a good thing? Was that a good good thing?

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Speaker 1: You're being pampered sail? Was that a good thing? Yes?

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Speaker 1: It was? It was pampered, spoiled. But also I was

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Speaker 1: given the great lessons of life and examples such as values, church, discipline,

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Speaker 1: and I had chores. I had to make up my

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Speaker 1: bed perfectly, as Michelle Obama daughter, our daughters, to make

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Speaker 1: up the beds perfectly in the White House. I had

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Speaker 1: to polish the floors with Johnson spacewax. I had to

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Speaker 1: go outside in the woods and chopped the woods for

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Speaker 1: the fires. And when I was very young, we had

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Speaker 1: we did not have an electric stove. We didn't get

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Speaker 1: an electric stove to about the sixties. Remember my great

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Speaker 1: grandmother and my grandma always thinking on a iron, a

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Speaker 1: cast iron stove, and I will never forget that though.

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01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: It was about fifty eight, and that stove had to

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Speaker 1: be constantly stoked with wood and coal, and I would

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01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: go out and have to get the colors scuttles of

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01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: cold even in the snow, in the cold weather, and

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01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 1: stoke that wood burning stove. That stove heated the kitchen.

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Speaker 1: It had a side um a container where you boiled water,

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Speaker 1: where you had constantly hot boiling water for the house,

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Speaker 1: for house slow duties. So this was a very important

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Speaker 1: thing in my life. And so all these chores just

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Speaker 1: led to to the good conservative, old fashioned values and

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Speaker 1: verities that people have in the South when they are

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Speaker 1: black and growing up in the black segregated jim Growth South.

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01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 1: I mean we the Civil Rights Law was signed over

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Speaker 1: the nineteen three. But I grew up in this great

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Speaker 1: household from the fifties and into sixty three. By sixty

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Speaker 1: three I was in high school. I think I was

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01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: in the tenth grade. So it was just it was

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01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: just a very wonderful world. My grandmother, she she was

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01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: a domestic maid at Duke University for fifty years. She

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01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: finally retired, and it's the last thirty years her last

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01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: she was retiring. But she just got up and she

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01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: was like a pioneer woman. She was strong. You know,

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01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: you would have these images of pioneer women. These women

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01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 1: can do anything. They can cook, they can squirrel, skinner, rabbit,

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Speaker 1: skinner squirrel, make a squirrel stew brunswick stew out of

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Speaker 1: the squirrel. You know, they'd kill a squirrel. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: just do everything, and plus do all the laundry, the

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Speaker 1: household laundry, cook clean, scrub, sit down, read her missionary helper.

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Speaker 1: Get up on Sunday morning, cook, cook a pad of

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Speaker 1: biscuits for me before the church. Come home after church,

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Speaker 1: and cook the afternoon supper fried chicken and greens and

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01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 1: string beans and feet potatoes and just it's just a

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Speaker 1: simple world. The world was a world that had foundations

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Speaker 1: that I've carried on throughout my life. So so the

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01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: so the fact that your great grandmother and your grandmother

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Speaker 1: raised you and doing that really laid the foundation for

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Speaker 1: who you are to day versus your parents. Absolutely, but

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Speaker 1: my past were always into my life. My mother and

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Speaker 1: father lived in d C. And they were not domestic workers.

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Speaker 1: They was great grade level government workers and they always

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Speaker 1: supported my my upbringing, my schooling, and they gave me

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Speaker 1: everything I wanted. They would send money down to my

1270
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: grandmother every two weeks from my you know books. I

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01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: had wonderful clothes. I had the first set of world

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01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: book encyclopedias on my street. That was I was very

1273
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: proud of that. We throw it all out there. Come

1274
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 1: on the day for you. My writers record players supplement

1275
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 1: allowance so I could then go to stop going to

1276
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 1: the library to read Vogue. I would go by Vogue.

1277
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 1: It came out twice a month in the sixties. This

1278
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 1: is really published on the first and the fifteenth of Reminder.

1279
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: That was the feat and I would go across town

1280
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 1: on Sundays when it was coming out. The magazine I

1281
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: looked forward. That was my big you know, outing to

1282
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: go buy Vogue magazine. So I think I had a

1283
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: privileged upbringing, although I was in a very restrained space

1284
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: in the world of blackness, in the segregated South. But

1285
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 1: but in that the whole process, the creative process, you

1286
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 1: know when I want, that's all this just keeps. You

1287
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 1: were allowed to be you. Yes, yeah, you're perfectly, you

1288
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: said perfectly. I was allowed to be me. My grandmother

1289
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 1: did not. As long as I did the right thing,

1290
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 1: I could just see anything. My grandmother gave me free reign.

1291
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: And I sat back and I had a room with

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01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 1: my own and I read Vogue, and I listened to

1293
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 1: Laura Nie you know, Leoo, Nina Simone, Mozog, Beethoven, Mi

1294
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: Haleo Jackson. I listened to my records. I had my

1295
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 1: own world and books, books for my friends. I had

1296
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 1: some friends, but books for my friends. And Vogue was

1297
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 1: my friend. I mean I I I lived for Vogue magazine.

1298
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 1: Now you but you talk about some nasty kids and bullying,

1299
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 1: and when we look back on you know, everybody thinks

1300
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 1: like bullying and started no recently bullying. No no, no, no,

1301
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 1: no no no. But it was awful. But you know what,

1302
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 1: when when I go back home now and see my

1303
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: friends I've maintained good friends from high school, I can

1304
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: look at them and say, hey, look look at me. Now,

1305
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 1: how you doing what I'm doing. I'm out of the world.

1306
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: You know. I've got a book. I've had a documentary

1307
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: called the Gospel according to the Andre. I went there

1308
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: and showed it in the hillside of high school. I

1309
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 1: showed it in one of the great weeks. They had

1310
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 1: me there for three days. We showed the film. We

1311
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 1: had events around it that gave me the man, gave

1312
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,799
Speaker 1: me the see to the kid and the proclamation, etcetera, etcetera.

1313
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: So you know, when you go to those those high

1314
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 1: school unions, they look I'm okay, I'm okay, you know,

1315
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: and I can feel you okay. I like to believe that. Uh.

1316
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 1: One of the one of the best lines of your

1317
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: book was said, you know you in your seventies, but

1318
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:00,759
Speaker 1: you feel like you're twenty nine. That that's my favorite

1319
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: line because I tell people that, you know, it's it's

1320
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 1: a mindset. It's how you how you walk, how you communicate.

1321
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:09,640
Speaker 1: I'm not trying You're not trying to be nine. You

1322
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 1: just said the mentality as the mindset. I am fresh.

1323
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 1: Tell them about it. I wake up every day ready

1324
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 1: to learn something new. I attack a fresh I'm still

1325
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 1: learning knowledge. And thank God I had early on this

1326
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: passion for books and book reading when I turned the

1327
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 1: page of a book. In this pandemic, if I'm sitting

1328
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 1: down with a book, it is a happy moment for

1329
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 1: me to sit down on my front porch and turn

1330
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 1: the page of a new book that's coming into Mayor

1331
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 1: from Amazon. I mean, I just got a whole little

1332
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 1: James Baldwin books. I think that James Baldwin, what he

1333
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: did and wrote and said in the sixties is so

1334
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: relevant today. So all the summer, I've been reading everything

1335
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: I could get in my hands owned by James Balwin,

1336
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:59,680
Speaker 1: including his last interview in before he passed away, And

1337
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 1: that came to me last week. And I've been just

1338
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 1: reading and I'm just every day you can learn something new.

1339
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 1: I was young. I love fashion, by the way, I

1340
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 1: always say, as Judge Judy says, they don't keep me

1341
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 1: here for my looks. They keep me because I'm smart. Okay,

1342
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 1: Well that's my manta, that is my manta. They don't

1343
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 1: keep me from my looks. They keep you because it's

1344
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 1: smart and in so many ways, you know, learning French,

1345
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 1: which you know, which allowed you to go over to France,

1346
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 1: and participating the paw fluently participate in the fashion world.

1347
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 1: But more important, before we in this break, I wanted

1348
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 1: to talk about you graduated from HBCU North Carolina or

1349
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 1: Central University, And uh, was that significant for you then

1350
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 1: or is it more significant for you now that you

1351
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:50,839
Speaker 1: graduated from HBCU. Each one see different me now because

1352
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 1: I'm proud of that. I was proud of n c

1353
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 1: c U and I that's where I got the scholarship

1354
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 1: to go to Brown. About I'm proud of that. It

1355
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 1: means a lot to me. Why did you write this book?

1356
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 1: Why did you write this book? I wrote the book

1357
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 1: because I felt that I was approaching the seventh decade

1358
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 1: of my life and I felt that I had to

1359
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 1: leave a legacy recorded by me factual. I had so

1360
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 1: many stories to tell that were great. I had so

1361
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 1: many scars that I healed my wounds, healed it um.

1362
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 1: You know, I experienced racism, agism, sexism in my career,

1363
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 1: and I just felt that it was important and luckily

1364
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 1: the book came out of a timely moment when everyone

1365
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: is talking about systemic racism in our country, uh, you know,

1366
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:40,440
Speaker 1: tearing down the monuments, the Confederate flag, our terrible president,

1367
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 1: the whole thing. And um, I felt that I had

1368
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 1: to write this book because I had done it. I

1369
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: had participated in a great documentary that came out of

1370
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 1: me called The Gospel according to Andre and the love

1371
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: that I saw from the people who watched that documentary,

1372
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 1: not only famous people, but just people in the normal

1373
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 1: people walking streets. So I saw your documentary. I love

1374
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 1: it so much. I saw much that gave me the

1375
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 1: confidence to write the book. The book was a no

1376
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:07,719
Speaker 1: brainer for me. I sat down and wrote the book

1377
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 1: all from memory. I don't have notes, I don't have diaries,

1378
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:14,679
Speaker 1: I don't have journals. It comes all from my memory bank.

1379
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 1: Well you know it's really I can tell because it's

1380
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 1: like a little little nuggets you're dropping in, you know,

1381
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 1: like like then when you come to me, did you write?

1382
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,599
Speaker 1: You know, and that that's some beautiful people realize when

1383
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 1: you write the book. You know, first of you you're

1384
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 1: just right out and the general thoughts that you remember,

1385
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: you know, you know, the layers started dropping in there

1386
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 1: like when you were shopping in pairs with Diana Ross.

1387
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:40,640
Speaker 1: That's right. That was a moment. That was a revelation

1388
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 1: for me. Donna Ross. The first time I ever met

1389
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: Donna Ross, I was saving lunch with her in Paris

1390
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 1: at this famous restaurant called Maxis. It's been I know

1391
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 1: that I've eaten there. I've et there. Yeah. And for

1392
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 1: people who don't know that it's in films, Maxines has

1393
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 1: been in films. Of the films, a great Technicolor film

1394
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 1: in the fifties, matt Scenes is a moment of style.

1395
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 1: And on a Saturday morning, we were going into Macines,

1396
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 1: Benny Cadrew and Francois Cartrew and I and Pia card

1397
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 1: and Diana Ross was coming in for lunch and she

1398
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 1: came in with this amazing fur coat to the ground.

1399
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:17,759
Speaker 1: We had lunch and we went straight to the jeweler

1400
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,600
Speaker 1: store and I was so impressed because it was the

1401
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 1: first time I had ever witnessed. You know, I was young,

1402
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 1: I was in Paris. I was twenty seven. Our black

1403
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 1: woman went into a very fancy jewelry store in Paris

1404
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 1: of a fat bull. They didn't asked for a credit card,

1405
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:36,679
Speaker 1: they said, yes, miss they knew she was Miss Ross.

1406
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 1: Of course this could have been an impostor drag queen.

1407
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 1: They sent the jewels to a hotel. No checks were issued,

1408
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 1: no bill of sale, no questions, Miss Ross. You will

1409
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 1: get these bracelets in your hotel by five o'clock. And

1410
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, of course they would. They did. They She

1411
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 1: asked what the prices were, and then she turned and

1412
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 1: she said, would you like a little present? And I said, oh, no,

1413
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 1: thank you, no, thank you know he said no, come on,

1414
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 1: you said no, Well, you were allowed to take givest.

1415
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 1: My company was one, so I thought if I got

1416
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: a bracelet from Donna Ross and they see, they tired me.

1417
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 1: So it was ethically incorrected me to take the bracelet.

1418
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 1: But I was so impressed that a woman of color

1419
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 1: could go into Paris, walk into a store, no matter,

1420
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 1: and just be respected the way Donna Ross was. They

1421
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 1: didn't say, oh, may we see your credit cards or

1422
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: maybe see your identity? They maybe see your pass sport,

1423
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 1: We could we call your bank. It was the side

1424
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:34,759
Speaker 1: of the afternoon. They recognized her and they said, Ms. Ross,

1425
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 1: these will be delivered to you this evening for you

1426
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 1: to wear for what we were going out that night

1427
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 1: for dinner and they were delivered and she came to

1428
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 1: Dyna these bracelets. I'll tell you, I'm talking to Andre

1429
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 1: Leon Tally and the book The chefon Trenches. Andrea, I

1430
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:49,680
Speaker 1: like to believe that it all kind of started for

1431
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 1: you in eighteen seventy four at the Metropolitan Museum Art

1432
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 1: Institute and a fantastic lady who took you under the wing.

1433
01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:06,480
Speaker 1: I want to see your name, Diane Freeland. Diane, Diane Lander, Diane.

1434
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 1: I know I had to get that name right there,

1435
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 1: because this day, this young lady, she's the juice for you, man,

1436
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 1: She's the juice. She she was. She was the Empress,

1437
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 1: the oracle, she was the mountain top. She was the

1438
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 1: most important fashion woman at her time. She was a

1439
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 1: fashion editor Vogue from sixty one to seventy one. She'd

1440
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 1: been at Harper's Bazar for twenty eight years as the

1441
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 1: only senior fashion editor. She made images that are now legendary.

1442
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 1: ZAR and It, Vogue and everyone who is anyone who's

1443
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 1: in fashion today or who wants to say they've got

1444
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 1: style had to be approved by Diana Fling. And there

1445
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 1: I was half volunteer in seventy four for six weeks

1446
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 1: on a show called Hollywood Design, where I learned everything

1447
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,639
Speaker 1: from Diana Freeland. I mean, there's a school of realing,

1448
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 1: and in school is you don't go to school and

1449
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:00,680
Speaker 1: get any certificate. You just be in her presence and

1450
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 1: you learned by listening. I learned from her by listening.

1451
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 1: The way she described clothes, the way she described the linings.

1452
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 1: She gave as much focus to the lining of addresses

1453
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 1: she did to the outside of a dress. Her shoes

1454
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:22,560
Speaker 1: were polished with the souls of her shoes, not the uppers.

1455
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 1: Her souls were polished with her hinocerous form. I don't

1456
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 1: know why, but her souls of her shoes were polished

1457
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 1: like the opposite her five dollar bills. They didn't have

1458
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 1: uber cars and limos at the curb. People took taxis

1459
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 1: In New York. Her maid, french Yvonne what's her name

1460
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 1: with part would iron her five dollar bills to put

1461
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 1: in her envelope evening bags when she went out for dinner,

1462
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 1: so she'd have money to get a cab home. She

1463
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 1: had her newspapers ironed so she didn't want to beat

1464
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 1: the wrinkled newspaper in the bathtub, She had the newspapers ironed,

1465
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 1: She had the souls of her shoes polo. Now what

1466
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 1: it sounds superficial, but what is this that stand for discipline, maintenance,

1467
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 1: cleanliness is close to godliness. This is what she stood for.

1468
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 1: These were rituals that came from an Edwardian and she

1469
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 1: grew up at the end of the nineteen nineties in Paris,

1470
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 1: and this is just the kind of ritual that she

1471
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 1: believed in the way my grandma's believed in waxing apology

1472
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 1: floors with pastewax. These are just things you do to

1473
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 1: keep yourself up, to keep your keep your values up.

1474
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 1: You you see apology floor, you're happy. She grew up

1475
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 1: when she was she was born in eighteen nineties, so

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Speaker 1: she srew up in the end of the Awardian area

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01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 1: that was like in Paris, so the Ballot Park. She

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01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 1: that she was a young girl at the Bellot Parc,

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Speaker 1: you know, when they had cortisans the coronations of the king,

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01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 1: and she saw all these wonderful things, and she she

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01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 1: just loved the horses and the way the horses were

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01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 1: decked out, and they were just decked out as the people.

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01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 1: The saddles and the reins and the horse riders. Everything

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01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 1: she described was so narrative. She told every dress in

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01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 1: an exhibit would have a story behind it because every dress,

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01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 1: who is wearing his dress? Where does she wear it?

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01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 1: Who was she? And what does she mean to the world.

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Speaker 1: That's what you know. The interesting thing in reading your

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01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 1: book with every page I turned was a nugget to me,

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01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:30,639
Speaker 1: and really, you know, golden nugget. I hope, a golden

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01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 1: golden No, I empire right here, my friend, this is

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Speaker 1: golden nuggets. He okay, So you know when I when

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Speaker 1: I say that is the fact that it could have

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01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 1: been expanded more. It could have been more than just Rashan.

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01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 1: There's a third book in me because I had the

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Speaker 1: contract and I'm proud of the contract I had from

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Speaker 1: Ndom thing when raving Valentine. But the contract said I

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Speaker 1: only had to write eighty thousand words. I could have

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Speaker 1: written a hundred and sixty thous But this is the

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01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 1: book they wanted to They wanted to publish a book

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01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 1: for a certain size, you know, the format. But I

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01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 1: could have written a hundred and sixty thousand. I could

1503
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 1: have still have been writing to this day and still

1504
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,639
Speaker 1: could be writing, because that's there's interesting stories like you know,

1505
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 1: like the whole period when you started out of course,

1506
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 1: you know, and then uh you basically was starving. Then

1507
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 1: that Christmas period when she told you not that, don't

1508
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 1: go home, she said, don't go home, don't go home.

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01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 1: There's nothing and it's really true. You know, when you

1510
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 1: go back, man kind of like breaks your vague, break

1511
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 1: your motivation. You fall back and old habits, and that's

1512
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 1: the Sing's telling you. And then that whole parish run,

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01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 1: which is a genius period of your life, I feel,

1514
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: because the zenius moment of my life because of the

1515
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 1: fact that first of all, your black man, tall black

1516
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 1: man speaking for only one on the front road, the

1517
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 1: only person in the front road. But then but then

1518
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 1: that's when it turns dark in your life, you know,

1519
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:51,640
Speaker 1: the but it turns dark because people of jealous and

1520
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:55,759
Speaker 1: racism has come fast, people calling me Queen Kong. Alleginally,

1521
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 1: one girl I'll called me Queen Kong. And it took

1522
01:20:57,600 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 1: the loan the cost of the daughter of the famous

1523
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 1: artist so to tell me. And she said, you know,

1524
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 1: this girl is going around Paris and call you Queen Kong.

1525
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 1: And people are laughing at you, but I love you,

1526
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:08,720
Speaker 1: and I said okay, and then I just kept that

1527
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 1: bottle up. And I never told me anyone about that

1528
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: until I had this documentary and I sat down and

1529
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 1: talked about it in the Vogue archives and I revealed

1530
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:21,720
Speaker 1: that in twenty seventeen. And this this was a hurting thing.

1531
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 1: You know, this was hurting me. And then one of

1532
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 1: my bosses came and said one day stood up in

1533
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 1: the office and said, we heard you ben sleeping whatever

1534
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 1: designer in Paris men and women. And I thought, well, God,

1535
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 1: that's what I would be. So busy am I study

1536
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 1: what is this? And then I realized how racists was.

1537
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 1: I recently had an email from the man saying what

1538
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: a great book it was, but he didn't know at

1539
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 1: that time how hurtfully was you know what I did?

1540
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 1: I went off and in the weeks later I resigned.

1541
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:55,640
Speaker 1: I quit Women's with Daily and the Doors Opening. I

1542
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 1: wouldn't have gotten to Vogue had I stayed in Women's

1543
01:21:57,479 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 1: but Daily in a position that I was in. Because

1544
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 1: I thought, up, this story is going to close. I

1545
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 1: went to the Madland Church. This is a church where

1546
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 1: Joe sweine Baker was funeralized in Paris. Lit the candles,

1547
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:11,640
Speaker 1: the three candles, right yeah, I lit the candles and

1548
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:15,680
Speaker 1: I went back, wrote my letter of resignation, had it

1549
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 1: notarized at the British American Embassy, the American counfilip and

1550
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 1: then receipt sent it to the office because I thought

1551
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 1: I was smart. I thought I'd better have this letter

1552
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 1: to prove that I resigned and wasn't fired, because you know,

1553
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:32,720
Speaker 1: they could say, oh, well, Andre was You know there

1554
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 1: was no money missing from the pettycash and they were

1555
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 1: already accused of me of stealing sketches from Eastern around

1556
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 1: and packed them off based on your relationship with Da Vinci,

1557
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 1: right yeah, yeah, yeah, And you don't give it right?

1558
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:52,599
Speaker 1: Are you gonna give it right now? You know it's

1559
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 1: your world. Keep keep me rolling, right, my friend? I read,

1560
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:57,720
Speaker 1: but I know I would gonna throw out one name bad,

1561
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 1: You gonna correct me off I saved. You know, I

1562
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 1: love it. I love it. You know that when your

1563
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 1: times you gotta say the namestry. You can't go say

1564
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 1: you don't like the girl said, say versace versacee. Oh

1565
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 1: my god, I love it. You know, it's one part

1566
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 1: of the book I loved that I want to talk

1567
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 1: about your experience when you went to for one year

1568
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:34,560
Speaker 1: only everybody, and that was a great moment for me.

1569
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 1: That was you know, I'll tell you what I loved.

1570
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 1: I love I'll tell you why I loved it. You said, Okay,

1571
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:42,599
Speaker 1: they didn't know what your family didn't know anything about

1572
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 1: what you were doing in Paris. But once they found

1573
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 1: out you work forever and yet la our baby. That

1574
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 1: made it, our baby that they made it. He made it,

1575
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 1: he made I made it. That was the greatest year. Oh,

1576
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 1: Mrs Johnson was a great woman. She's a fabulous lady.

1577
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Mrs Johnson, I learned somebody. She just

1578
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,639
Speaker 1: her style and you know, she started the any fashion

1579
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 1: fant idea and she took it all through all over

1580
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 1: the country to Virgin Islands. These fashion shows, she showed

1581
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 1: the world what style could be. Her fashion fair shows

1582
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:16,680
Speaker 1: were legendary and she would go to Paris and buy

1583
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 1: all these extraordinary clothes. She didn't sit buy a little

1584
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 1: doll suit. She knew that the people when they were

1585
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:24,919
Speaker 1: him to show, they don't wanted to see extravagance fantasy.

1586
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 1: She'd buy the most extract extraordinary pieces and paid for

1587
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 1: them for a price, and she started doing it in

1588
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 1: the fifties. So before I got to Paris, she was

1589
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 1: the only black person on the front row and they

1590
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 1: respected her pocketbook and her style and her expertise. She

1591
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 1: was highly respected and revered in the world of fashion

1592
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:49,640
Speaker 1: in Paris. Mr sell arong, Mrs. When I got to

1593
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 1: Ebony magazine, Mr Johnson said to me, and you've got

1594
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 1: to get me a picture what he sell a wrong?

1595
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 1: I want to have a picture with you and he

1596
01:24:57,360 --> 01:25:00,760
Speaker 1: sell a wrong And I saw, no, that's fars. She

1597
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 1: hired me just to get that picture. Well, it's the

1598
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:06,600
Speaker 1: first time with the parts on the concorde. Backstage, I

1599
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 1: had the picture with e Celeron and Mrs Johnson and

1600
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:12,479
Speaker 1: myself and I had that vote on. I had that

1601
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 1: same hat on with round George your money suit Cockton

1602
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 1: side had that hat on. Well, let me give I

1603
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 1: know we're running at the time, but I had to

1604
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 1: get this one story and they I'm mad because I

1605
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 1: looked at there's no picture of you wearing this, So

1606
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:30,640
Speaker 1: I was kind of mad at you. Here. It was.

1607
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:33,720
Speaker 1: It was the when you when you broke code and

1608
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:37,599
Speaker 1: you went to this Black Tide event wearing that gown

1609
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:41,799
Speaker 1: over the shirt in those gray stacks. Yeah, back bathrop

1610
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 1: bathroom bath Carlo Fell's cashmere bathroom bressing gown. And I

1611
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 1: had to go across. I didn't have time to go

1612
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:49,560
Speaker 1: home and change, and Carl said, put this on. This

1613
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 1: is will go. We gotta get take one of my

1614
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 1: white shirts I had on Great Tross where one of

1615
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:55,640
Speaker 1: my white shirts in a black time. It was a

1616
01:25:55,720 --> 01:26:00,120
Speaker 1: scandal everyone and we went to Vaccines, everyone in. It

1617
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 1: was a scandal. A black man and a black side

1618
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:06,679
Speaker 1: dinner in Maccines with a dressing gown on. I listened.

1619
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:11,839
Speaker 1: It wasn't just a bathrobe. It was a Kashmir black

1620
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 1: piped in satin friends silk, satin tassels, and it was dope.

1621
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 1: And I walked into Maxines and the Red Sea party

1622
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:28,559
Speaker 1: and the jaws dropped. Oh of Paris. And the next

1623
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:30,720
Speaker 1: day I got on the phone with my best friend better.

1624
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 1: She says, Andre, you don't even know. That's all they

1625
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 1: talked about. They are a shop. But it's very amusing.

1626
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 1: It was a sort of social scandal. And I don't

1627
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 1: have any pictures of because no one thought to take pictures.

1628
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 1: That was night. Someone drew it. Carl uself drew it,

1629
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:47,719
Speaker 1: but I don't know what the drawing is. It's probably

1630
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 1: just sp you did a drawing the best story in

1631
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 1: the book, best story in the book. And I don't

1632
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:56,560
Speaker 1: have a photo, but one my favorite Photo'm gonna just

1633
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 1: let you know that was A one seventy seven when

1634
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:04,799
Speaker 1: that splendid molt Is shot in Paris and Junior thirteen.

1635
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 1: That picture right there, my friend, I hope you have

1636
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 1: that frame in your home. That is, you have the

1637
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 1: your you're on the balcony and uh your Rafloren dinner suit.

1638
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 1: I oh my god, oh my god, Oh my god,

1639
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Andre, all those clothes, all those clothes

1640
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 1: that right there. That's a bad of anybody. That's a

1641
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 1: bad look right there. But that I have made, my man,

1642
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 1: because I've been in Paris. I you got the I

1643
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 1: want to thank you for coming on my show. I

1644
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed our conversation, enjoyed talking to you, and

1645
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 1: I want to come back in your show. Absolutely absolutely,

1646
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Speaker 1: Thank you, my friend. You stay safe out there and

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Speaker 1: that was a devastating moment for you guys. Put you

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Speaker 1: And I woant to start right there because my favorite

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Speaker 1: chapter in your book, and I read the book and

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01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 1: I had a really great time of it, which I believe.

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01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:09,880
Speaker 1: I want to say, its chapter eight, and that's that's

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01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:13,720
Speaker 1: the family chapter, and it talks about where you know

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01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 1: the kids were being uh, we will bring the work.

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01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:20,200
Speaker 1: And the reason I want to bring that up because

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01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:24,760
Speaker 1: of the fact that you know white families, that's that's

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01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 1: allows them too, I think an additional level of success

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01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:33,000
Speaker 1: because your children can assume by watching your work ethic,

1729
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:36,760
Speaker 1: by watching that success story by watching people of all

1730
01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:39,960
Speaker 1: race going by saying yes sir and no sir, and

1731
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:42,400
Speaker 1: you're telling them what to do and living the professional life.

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01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:45,560
Speaker 1: I believe that was an important time of just the

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01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:50,680
Speaker 1: learning process for your children. Correct, absolutely, it was. I

1734
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 1: mean we we it was necessary for us to have

1735
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:57,519
Speaker 1: the kids come on the journey because our first location

1736
01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:00,680
Speaker 1: is about two hours away from our primary events, you know,

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01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:03,519
Speaker 1: at that point in time. So you know, we had

1738
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:05,040
Speaker 1: to go ahead and pack the kids up on the

1739
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:09,880
Speaker 1: weekends because we believe in touching our stores, right you know, so, uh,

1740
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:11,920
Speaker 1: they had to come along with us. Once we got

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01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:13,879
Speaker 1: him out of school, they came up for the weekend

1742
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:16,880
Speaker 1: and they learned how to you know, wash dishes, how

1743
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:20,599
Speaker 1: sweet floors and and and and Greek customers and say hello.

1744
01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 1: And my son, uh, you know, was one of the

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01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:27,599
Speaker 1: first guys in the back that we We had him

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01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:30,640
Speaker 1: cutting potatoes and his little arm would getting tired and

1747
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:32,640
Speaker 1: everything like that, but he said, hey, son, this is

1748
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 1: how this is how it is. And after that day

1749
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:38,600
Speaker 1: he said that he felt like SpongeBob in the restaurant.

1750
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 1: You know, he just loved it. And that that down

1751
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:46,400
Speaker 1: to your mom. Okay, your children, you know, that. You

1752
01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:50,600
Speaker 1: know that that's a different perspective, you know, uh, you know,

1753
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 1: he's a he's a man go getter, you know the

1754
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:55,000
Speaker 1: old axiom. You know, he's the bread winder. You know,

1755
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:57,479
Speaker 1: he's supposed to leave the house. And and then here

1756
01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:00,960
Speaker 1: your mom bringing you know, your children to your place

1757
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:03,560
Speaker 1: of work or your business. How did you feel about that?

1758
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 1: I actually always wanted them to feel that they had

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01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:11,800
Speaker 1: ownership in it as well, right, that it wasn't just

1760
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:14,719
Speaker 1: this is because they saw mom and dad work jobs

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01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:17,400
Speaker 1: were mostly me. They saw me get up and work

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01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:19,559
Speaker 1: for the county and go to work. We had bring

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01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:21,600
Speaker 1: your children to work day, so they saw me in

1764
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:24,400
Speaker 1: the social work position. Right. But I felt that it

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01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 1: was so important that we're owners of this business. I

1766
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:30,160
Speaker 1: need them to see us in ownership and see that

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01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:32,880
Speaker 1: mommy can work just as hard for herself as she

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01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:35,880
Speaker 1: does for someone else. And when they saw that, they

1769
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:40,000
Speaker 1: developed they bought into the vision that oh, we really

1770
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 1: do own this, like we're you know, we're restaurant owners.

1771
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:46,679
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, it's us, it's our family business.

1772
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:49,840
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of times our children don't

1773
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 1: know what we do, you know what I mean? They

1774
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:54,680
Speaker 1: don't see what we do on a regular basis. So

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01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:56,840
Speaker 1: for me, I was just now. Of course I had

1776
01:34:56,920 --> 01:34:59,639
Speaker 1: days like Okay, he's tired, he don't need to watch

1777
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 1: no more dishes. I'll finish. And you know it's like

1778
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:08,360
Speaker 1: that Stills sit on down going thank you mama, thank

1779
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:10,880
Speaker 1: you mom? Oh clip, where are you going? Where are

1780
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:16,840
Speaker 1: you going? We got some dishes on man up by

1781
01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:22,720
Speaker 1: man up. And also even with the allowance with paying them,

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01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:25,000
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, okay, we wanted to show

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01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:27,240
Speaker 1: them that we're gonna still pay you. You know, of

1784
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 1: course my payment was a little bit higher. Clint was like,

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01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:33,040
Speaker 1: he's living, he has a place to sleep at night.

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01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:36,920
Speaker 1: That's his payment. Like, get boy the money. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: love I love well, you know the thing about it

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01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 1: up And thank you guys for calling uh money making

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01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:45,479
Speaker 1: conversation because I always like to talk about power couples

1790
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 1: because I think it's important that the how you relate,

1791
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:53,080
Speaker 1: how these transitions, how to how to how the family

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01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 1: dynamic work, especially when you have children. Now, Clinton, let's

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01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:59,240
Speaker 1: let's let the book started off with your story first,

1794
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:00,840
Speaker 1: telling a little every right, a little bit about you,

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01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:02,519
Speaker 1: and then Dian I'm gonna go to you, and then

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01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:06,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna journey through the book. Just certain little highlights

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01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:08,760
Speaker 1: that I really thought they were inspirational to me, because

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Speaker 1: I alwould like to believe that when I read good books,

1799
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:13,400
Speaker 1: and this is a very good book, you learned something

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01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:15,760
Speaker 1: from it. It opens your eyes and it allows you

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01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:18,639
Speaker 1: to appreciate other people's success story and not just your own.

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01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:21,599
Speaker 1: That's the purpose of money making conversations. So click start

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01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:23,560
Speaker 1: with your story, my friend, before we get down to

1804
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:25,840
Speaker 1: wing stop and I get homery, because this is I'm

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01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:27,799
Speaker 1: gonna just to tell everybody else, this is an interview.

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01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:29,599
Speaker 1: You're gonna get home gry in this interview because I'm

1807
01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:35,920
Speaker 1: just saying I'm start with a restaurant tour. So that

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Speaker 1: is not the case. That's the last fifteen years of

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01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:42,879
Speaker 1: my life. But I'm a serial entrepreneur though no since eighteen.

1810
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:47,080
Speaker 1: I started off in the financial service industry with insurance, investments,

1811
01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:50,920
Speaker 1: real estate and loans, in which I still do now.

1812
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:55,280
Speaker 1: I started my own company after being UH with UH

1813
01:36:56,040 --> 01:36:59,439
Speaker 1: company Ao Williams Primemerica for seven years. I was a

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01:36:59,479 --> 01:37:03,599
Speaker 1: reasoned by president with them. I started on my own

1815
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:07,519
Speaker 1: in ninety nine. Me and another RVP. We you know,

1816
01:37:07,640 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 1: decided to team up and we started our own investment

1817
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:14,040
Speaker 1: advisory group. So we did that in ninety nine and

1818
01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:17,759
Speaker 1: it just grew to uh what what it is today.

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01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:22,000
Speaker 1: But during that period of time, we looked at opportunities

1820
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:25,320
Speaker 1: because the real estate market was booming in the early

1821
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:28,360
Speaker 1: two thousands. Anybody that could fog Americans could buy a house,

1822
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 1: you know. So you said, hey, you know, let's go

1823
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:34,800
Speaker 1: ahead and get this money. And you just come to

1824
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 1: a point in time where being a financial planner financial advisor,

1825
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:41,600
Speaker 1: you say, okay, this can't be forever. It has to

1826
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:45,200
Speaker 1: have some type of ending. So we wanted to go

1827
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:47,799
Speaker 1: ahead and DIVERSI five, we had you know, nine pieces

1828
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:51,280
Speaker 1: of property as the bookshelves um, you know, including our

1829
01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:54,640
Speaker 1: primary residents. But we still needed some other business that

1830
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:57,200
Speaker 1: was going to generate cash flow. My wife and I

1831
01:37:57,320 --> 01:38:00,519
Speaker 1: weren't entrepreneurs as far as in the restaurant on business,

1832
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:05,120
Speaker 1: but we were foodies, so we already knew what good

1833
01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:08,320
Speaker 1: food was. And in Bakersfield, which my wife is born

1834
01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:11,840
Speaker 1: and race, she'll tell her story about that. But in Bakersfield,

1835
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:15,320
Speaker 1: there was an opportunity. Uh as far as well it

1836
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 1: was opportunity, It wasn't really too many restaurants besides your

1837
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:24,559
Speaker 1: McDonald's and your your your drive. So we were like, okay,

1838
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:28,080
Speaker 1: what can we do. We love this concept, you know,

1839
01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:31,240
Speaker 1: but uh it's wide open. We don't know anything about

1840
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:33,600
Speaker 1: you know, being a restaurant to a restaurants. So we

1841
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:38,000
Speaker 1: we had, you know, uh, money's available to to invest

1842
01:38:38,040 --> 01:38:41,320
Speaker 1: in something, and there, you know, we just started to

1843
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:45,639
Speaker 1: to do our research and uh, you know, like they say,

1844
01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:48,280
Speaker 1: a star was born, a light bulb went off, and

1845
01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 1: we you know, just jumped all in. Well you kind

1846
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:57,120
Speaker 1: of yet you had Diana. Okay, she had this great

1847
01:38:57,160 --> 01:39:01,320
Speaker 1: county job. Okay, so that's right, and so she really

1848
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:03,800
Speaker 1: so don't say she y'all jumped on in because she

1849
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:06,880
Speaker 1: was over that. She had those benefits, she had that

1850
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:11,640
Speaker 1: regular check. She respected your your serial entrepreneur background, and

1851
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 1: you're at love for you, but that regular check was

1852
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:20,600
Speaker 1: was was was holding her and so absolutely, absolutely so

1853
01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:23,560
Speaker 1: so I love how you presented your story. Now I

1854
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:28,920
Speaker 1: want to slide over to m Miss nine to five. Lewis.

1855
01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:31,720
Speaker 1: Okay over here, this MS nine to five. Let me

1856
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:37,720
Speaker 1: tell you something. Um, I you know, and the thing

1857
01:39:37,880 --> 01:39:39,479
Speaker 1: isn't even in the book. We talked about that we

1858
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:41,600
Speaker 1: knew each other before we even got me. You know,

1859
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:45,120
Speaker 1: he had been divorced, I had been engaged in a

1860
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:48,680
Speaker 1: long relationship that didn't go well. So I knew he

1861
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:52,600
Speaker 1: had that boss mentality. I knew that he was an entrepreneur.

1862
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:54,720
Speaker 1: You know, he was signing all of us nineteen year

1863
01:39:54,760 --> 01:39:57,960
Speaker 1: olds of at nineteen years old for life insurance. Right,

1864
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:02,000
Speaker 1: you're teen and you're signing up all your nineteen year

1865
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:04,120
Speaker 1: old friends about life insurance. So I knew he had

1866
01:40:04,200 --> 01:40:08,519
Speaker 1: that that boss mentality. Um, but there was still I

1867
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:11,120
Speaker 1: was locked into the county, you know, that was where

1868
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:13,320
Speaker 1: you were sure, and we're gonna have insurance. We have

1869
01:40:13,439 --> 01:40:17,040
Speaker 1: two small babies. He had just left Primerica and decided

1870
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:19,240
Speaker 1: to branch off on his own. So I'm like, I

1871
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:21,680
Speaker 1: gotta stay locked in. I need to know that on

1872
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:25,080
Speaker 1: the fifteen and the thirties, literally at midnight, that my

1873
01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:28,599
Speaker 1: money is in the bank. Right. Um. So he's out there,

1874
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:31,439
Speaker 1: you know, making it happen for us in the insurance world.

1875
01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:34,040
Speaker 1: And and it was rough. It was rough when he

1876
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:37,200
Speaker 1: when he walked away, you know, from from Primerica. Um,

1877
01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:40,679
Speaker 1: but I felt that as long as we do it together,

1878
01:40:41,080 --> 01:40:44,200
Speaker 1: I'm really good. Like whatever we do. I just strongly

1879
01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:46,879
Speaker 1: believe that whatever we did, we had to do it together,

1880
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:50,599
Speaker 1: even in working different professions. Long as when we came

1881
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:53,639
Speaker 1: home at night, we talked about finance together. We talked

1882
01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:57,080
Speaker 1: about the money losses and the money gains together. We

1883
01:40:57,200 --> 01:41:01,080
Speaker 1: always kept that line of communication open UM. But I

1884
01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:04,040
Speaker 1: just we we looked at the opportunity. I said, Okay,

1885
01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:06,080
Speaker 1: we have all this money coming in for him for

1886
01:41:06,360 --> 01:41:09,639
Speaker 1: his real estate, and it's doing great, but we don't

1887
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:11,160
Speaker 1: want to just go blow it on a bunch of

1888
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:14,160
Speaker 1: jet skis and and you know, and and all of

1889
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:16,800
Speaker 1: the material things, which I do like nice things, don't

1890
01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:19,519
Speaker 1: get me wrong, but I felt like this is too

1891
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:22,120
Speaker 1: much money to not have something else that we should

1892
01:41:22,120 --> 01:41:26,600
Speaker 1: be investing in. Um and we tripped, you know, vacations

1893
01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:29,160
Speaker 1: or travel to bakers for so much to see my family.

1894
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:33,040
Speaker 1: There was just that emptiness of not having any food selections.

1895
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:35,439
Speaker 1: After about ten o'clock. You know, it's a little small

1896
01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 1: country town, UM about two hours south I mean north

1897
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:41,639
Speaker 1: of l A. So we were like, there's no food

1898
01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:44,040
Speaker 1: places out here. If we bring anything to town, we

1899
01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:48,200
Speaker 1: should bring food. And hence began the restaurant. You know,

1900
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:51,720
Speaker 1: UM journey, and I went and set in the wingstop

1901
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:53,880
Speaker 1: parking lot, Okay, the one that was not too far

1902
01:41:53,960 --> 01:41:55,840
Speaker 1: from my house, and I counted the people coming in

1903
01:41:55,960 --> 01:41:58,320
Speaker 1: and out of the right Like, if we're gonna go big,

1904
01:41:58,400 --> 01:42:00,759
Speaker 1: we need to know what we're doing, what we're talking about.

1905
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:03,320
Speaker 1: Even though we don't know the restaurant business. We need

1906
01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:06,040
Speaker 1: to know the restaurant company that we're about to invest

1907
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:11,160
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars and time and time and time.

1908
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:13,600
Speaker 1: And we reached out to them. They didn't respond. So

1909
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:16,280
Speaker 1: guess what. We called a plane and knocked on their

1910
01:42:16,360 --> 01:42:17,920
Speaker 1: door and was like, yeah, we left you a few

1911
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,320
Speaker 1: messages in some emails, y'all don't answer, but we're ready

1912
01:42:20,360 --> 01:42:23,920
Speaker 1: to move. What's up? You know? You know the interesting

1913
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:27,360
Speaker 1: thing about your story and also clinch stories that you know,

1914
01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:31,280
Speaker 1: it's it's a story. The book the title says, it's faith.

1915
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:34,120
Speaker 1: What you talk about a lot, how important faith is

1916
01:42:34,720 --> 01:42:37,000
Speaker 1: and your decision making because you have scriptures throughout the

1917
01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:39,840
Speaker 1: book and at the end of each chapter. And your family,

1918
01:42:40,600 --> 01:42:44,439
Speaker 1: not only just your immediate family, but your sisterhood. You know,

1919
01:42:44,680 --> 01:42:48,599
Speaker 1: your lifelow brotherhood that you have that keeps you focused

1920
01:42:48,640 --> 01:42:51,200
Speaker 1: and keeps you a line there, Clint, and then all

1921
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:53,920
Speaker 1: of a sudden the franchise and I just you know

1922
01:42:54,120 --> 01:42:57,200
Speaker 1: the thing, and that's something that African Americans need to

1923
01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:01,360
Speaker 1: understand the opportunities. And that's really what really drove the

1924
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:04,360
Speaker 1: whole plan for me to say, I love this book

1925
01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:07,160
Speaker 1: because as you as you as both of you noted

1926
01:43:07,240 --> 01:43:10,519
Speaker 1: earlier that you did your research on this type of

1927
01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:12,920
Speaker 1: book previously, just like you did your research sitting in

1928
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:16,600
Speaker 1: the wingstop parking lot. Their book out there about this

1929
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 1: for couples and how do the entrepreneurs is the book

1930
01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:22,920
Speaker 1: out there especially for black couples. So and just we're

1931
01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:24,960
Speaker 1: gonna wrap up this break here, but before we leave,

1932
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:30,280
Speaker 1: click what was it important to write Faith, Family and Franchise? Well?

1933
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:33,600
Speaker 1: As a financial advisor, I knew that a lot of

1934
01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:36,320
Speaker 1: people didn't have the tools and the world refaw how

1935
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:39,040
Speaker 1: to win the money game. I was fortunate and blessed

1936
01:43:39,160 --> 01:43:43,000
Speaker 1: in my profession to understand the inner workings of money

1937
01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:47,000
Speaker 1: and business. And in our Christian community, communical community as

1938
01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:49,800
Speaker 1: well as just as us as as people of color,

1939
01:43:50,280 --> 01:43:52,920
Speaker 1: we didn't have those insights. They don't have buildings in

1940
01:43:53,080 --> 01:43:56,800
Speaker 1: our communities. You know, Merlins, you know Charles Swab, They're

1941
01:43:56,840 --> 01:43:59,360
Speaker 1: not there, you know, But I wanted to teach people

1942
01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:01,599
Speaker 1: and that's what the the whole foundation of my practice

1943
01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:03,880
Speaker 1: now how to go ahead and win the money game.

1944
01:44:04,240 --> 01:44:06,200
Speaker 1: And I have the insights, and I wanted to share

1945
01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:08,080
Speaker 1: it with all the good and the bad, because a

1946
01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:10,680
Speaker 1: lot of people show you all the glow, don't show you,

1947
01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:13,840
Speaker 1: you know, what I went through bankruptcy. I was, you know,

1948
01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:16,400
Speaker 1: maybe you know, about to lose my home. But we

1949
01:44:16,479 --> 01:44:18,400
Speaker 1: wanted to put it all out there on our personal

1950
01:44:18,479 --> 01:44:20,320
Speaker 1: side as well as the business side, so that people

1951
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:23,040
Speaker 1: can relate and hopefully take action because if they use

1952
01:44:23,120 --> 01:44:27,200
Speaker 1: these principles, they will succeed. That's that's it. Wow, that's hot.

1953
01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:30,120
Speaker 1: So tell me about you know, when when your background

1954
01:44:30,160 --> 01:44:33,400
Speaker 1: a little bit and we joked about the whole county job,

1955
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:35,560
Speaker 1: but you know, I used to work for IBM, and

1956
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:37,320
Speaker 1: I know when I got that job at IBM, and

1957
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:39,880
Speaker 1: I told people that are gonna leave IBM to tell

1958
01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:43,200
Speaker 1: my pursuer career as a stand up comedian. They looked

1959
01:44:43,240 --> 01:44:45,519
Speaker 1: at me like I was crazy because of the fact,

1960
01:44:45,560 --> 01:44:47,720
Speaker 1: but that wasn't my passion, that wasn't you know. I

1961
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:49,960
Speaker 1: was just smart enough to get a degree in math

1962
01:44:50,120 --> 01:44:52,120
Speaker 1: and smart enough to be able to sit down and

1963
01:44:52,160 --> 01:44:54,519
Speaker 1: fill out an application and get a great job at IBM.

1964
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:57,280
Speaker 1: But it was a lot of fear in me when

1965
01:44:57,320 --> 01:45:00,320
Speaker 1: I left, because it was a lot of uncertainty. And

1966
01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:02,400
Speaker 1: I really love the fact that you had Clint to

1967
01:45:02,520 --> 01:45:06,280
Speaker 1: lean on to guide you through that uncertainty to leave

1968
01:45:07,120 --> 01:45:09,479
Speaker 1: your county. John, So tell us about how it all started,

1969
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:14,240
Speaker 1: and and and and very true. I I just always

1970
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:19,280
Speaker 1: had kind of, uh more of a pessimistic attitude about things, right.

1971
01:45:19,360 --> 01:45:22,559
Speaker 1: So Clint has always been that's part of our faith journey.

1972
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:25,280
Speaker 1: He's been the one that has that have more faith

1973
01:45:25,320 --> 01:45:28,200
Speaker 1: than I've had many occasions, right, But he encourages me

1974
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:31,479
Speaker 1: and pulls me along the faith journey for me to say, okay,

1975
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:34,439
Speaker 1: take the chance, take the chance. But I have been

1976
01:45:34,479 --> 01:45:38,120
Speaker 1: with l A County as a social worker since. So

1977
01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:41,960
Speaker 1: when we opened up Wingstop, I'm like, yeah, I think

1978
01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:44,120
Speaker 1: one day I'll leave, but I don't have no players

1979
01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:49,640
Speaker 1: on living because again, you know, having that that definitive

1980
01:45:49,720 --> 01:45:52,080
Speaker 1: check on the fifteenth and the thirties at midnight, I

1981
01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:54,559
Speaker 1: knew that there was money in my account. You knew.

1982
01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:56,640
Speaker 1: I knew that if I went to the doctor with

1983
01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:59,000
Speaker 1: the you know co pay of about seven dollars, Me

1984
01:45:59,080 --> 01:46:01,280
Speaker 1: and my children and and Clinton as well would be

1985
01:46:01,400 --> 01:46:04,200
Speaker 1: treated and and have access to medical attention if we

1986
01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:07,400
Speaker 1: needed it. So that carries a whole lot of weight,

1987
01:46:07,680 --> 01:46:11,080
Speaker 1: you know, Like I don't know about this wingstop is

1988
01:46:11,160 --> 01:46:13,560
Speaker 1: doing good. I hear you. We opened it up. But

1989
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:15,599
Speaker 1: let me see if I can maneuver and do both.

1990
01:46:15,680 --> 01:46:18,519
Speaker 1: And for years I did both. For years, I worked

1991
01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:21,200
Speaker 1: Monday through Friday, would get off work at four o'clock,

1992
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:24,360
Speaker 1: get home, packed the kids up, load up the car,

1993
01:46:24,479 --> 01:46:28,080
Speaker 1: and we were on the road to Bakersfield. Stay there Friday, Saturday, Sunday,

1994
01:46:28,520 --> 01:46:31,400
Speaker 1: put the kids in pajamas in Bakersfield, just to drive

1995
01:46:31,439 --> 01:46:33,360
Speaker 1: back two hours back to l A so that I

1996
01:46:33,439 --> 01:46:36,360
Speaker 1: can return to that job on Monday, you know, as

1997
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:41,080
Speaker 1: a social worker. And I did that for seven years

1998
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:44,200
Speaker 1: before I actually took the leap of faith and said okay,

1999
01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:46,800
Speaker 1: this is it. And it took me a while to

2000
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:49,240
Speaker 1: get to that point. But at some point you have

2001
01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:51,640
Speaker 1: to just trust in yourself. You have to trust in

2002
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:55,000
Speaker 1: and have faith in all the effort that you put

2003
01:46:55,040 --> 01:46:57,559
Speaker 1: in to make this work, to be all in. Because

2004
01:46:57,560 --> 01:46:59,960
Speaker 1: I think sometimes if you have something else that's holding

2005
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:02,439
Speaker 1: going in the back. You won't just go all in

2006
01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:05,760
Speaker 1: because it's a little safety net. So how far can

2007
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:08,639
Speaker 1: you really go? How much can you really grow if

2008
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:10,920
Speaker 1: you don't ever take a leaf of faith of saying okay,

2009
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:12,760
Speaker 1: I gotta forget those things in a behind me and

2010
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:16,439
Speaker 1: pressed forward. But I had the same listen, Rashan, I

2011
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:19,080
Speaker 1: had the same conversations. People were looking at me like

2012
01:47:19,160 --> 01:47:22,320
Speaker 1: I was crazy. They told me that I was crazy

2013
01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:25,160
Speaker 1: when I said we're opening the wingstop or the wingstops

2014
01:47:28,160 --> 01:47:31,519
Speaker 1: and you're black to a black person, open and black

2015
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:33,360
Speaker 1: people came to comprehend that you know what I'm saying

2016
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:35,960
Speaker 1: and that cannot And that's the whole thing about what

2017
01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:39,800
Speaker 1: we're talking about on this interview. It's comprehending. And that's

2018
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:42,240
Speaker 1: why I love the fact that when you was making

2019
01:47:42,280 --> 01:47:44,000
Speaker 1: this decision. I always tell people, if you want to

2020
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:48,160
Speaker 1: be a doctor, don't talk to a mechanic. Okay, right,

2021
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:50,320
Speaker 1: you have to have the right mentors, you know, and

2022
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:52,639
Speaker 1: so you have the right mentor and Clint, Okay, when

2023
01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:54,920
Speaker 1: you when the decision to become an entrepreneur, you just

2024
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:57,360
Speaker 1: went to your mentor. Okay, right there, flip what you think,

2025
01:47:57,800 --> 01:48:00,280
Speaker 1: and you looked at how he thought about he had

2026
01:48:00,280 --> 01:48:03,280
Speaker 1: the highs and the lows. He had to clear understanding

2027
01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:06,240
Speaker 1: that it is workers involved. And both of you guys

2028
01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:09,560
Speaker 1: have that high work ethic and that's really important. And

2029
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:11,679
Speaker 1: when I was when I was reading the book because

2030
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:13,960
Speaker 1: because the book is great, everybody, and this is why

2031
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:16,599
Speaker 1: the book is great, because they they're willing to tell

2032
01:48:16,680 --> 01:48:19,200
Speaker 1: you their flaws. So I always tell people I read

2033
01:48:19,240 --> 01:48:21,920
Speaker 1: books and people kind of like gloss over their mistakes.

2034
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:25,439
Speaker 1: And well, you know, I graduated from college and I

2035
01:48:25,560 --> 01:48:33,080
Speaker 1: was famous, huh because in the chapter one, what you

2036
01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:35,880
Speaker 1: call the lesson is to who are we? Chapter? You know,

2037
01:48:36,200 --> 01:48:39,040
Speaker 1: Clint tells who he is. Then Diana you tell who

2038
01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:41,760
Speaker 1: you are, and then you asked us for our background,

2039
01:48:42,400 --> 01:48:45,120
Speaker 1: and so you start setting the stage of of and

2040
01:48:45,240 --> 01:48:49,439
Speaker 1: then the most personal chapter is chapters lesson two indeed,

2041
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:52,719
Speaker 1: and that's when you you know, you guys were always

2042
01:48:52,840 --> 01:48:55,360
Speaker 1: friends in the church and then all of a sudden,

2043
01:48:55,560 --> 01:48:58,000
Speaker 1: but like you said, you had that three relationship where

2044
01:48:58,360 --> 01:49:01,080
Speaker 1: that you kept putting off there the day and us

2045
01:49:01,400 --> 01:49:04,920
Speaker 1: doing the catering to the bride maid dresses. And finally

2046
01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:08,519
Speaker 1: you know this ain't happening by by this ain't happen.

2047
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:11,679
Speaker 1: And then you know Clinton, you know he he was mard,

2048
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:14,840
Speaker 1: but he didn't have time for marriage. You know, you

2049
01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:17,240
Speaker 1: know that that was key right there. Then I went

2050
01:49:17,280 --> 01:49:19,479
Speaker 1: through that journey too. Just because you can buy the car,

2051
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:24,439
Speaker 1: the house, you still have to have time. Because it's

2052
01:49:24,439 --> 01:49:28,679
Speaker 1: called communication, folks. Communication, And that's what chapter two, because

2053
01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:31,000
Speaker 1: it talks about the divorce, it talks about getting together,

2054
01:49:31,320 --> 01:49:33,280
Speaker 1: and it talks about them being church people. But I'm

2055
01:49:33,320 --> 01:49:34,800
Speaker 1: gonna tell you. Let me tell you something about these

2056
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:37,120
Speaker 1: two church people right here. They get busy though they

2057
01:49:37,120 --> 01:49:42,360
Speaker 1: still getting busy busy. C J. Came alone because they

2058
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:50,519
Speaker 1: were getting busy, busy, busy. And that's what I'm talking about,

2059
01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:53,960
Speaker 1: willing to share their story. And that's and so it

2060
01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:58,400
Speaker 1: really it all comes together for me really in uh

2061
01:49:58,720 --> 01:50:02,960
Speaker 1: chapter four, because we all have these journeys, we all

2062
01:50:03,040 --> 01:50:07,280
Speaker 1: have these dreams. But what happens when the dream kind

2063
01:50:07,320 --> 01:50:11,640
Speaker 1: of crashes or become a nightmare? And that's uh, the

2064
01:50:11,720 --> 01:50:14,559
Speaker 1: stock market, because I wanted to talk about that because

2065
01:50:14,840 --> 01:50:19,320
Speaker 1: you're kind of dealing with it now, the crashing. Now

2066
01:50:19,400 --> 01:50:25,560
Speaker 1: you have the pandemic. Tell me about that. Well, I

2067
01:50:25,680 --> 01:50:28,519
Speaker 1: think the best fold in the book comes from my

2068
01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:32,280
Speaker 1: beautiful and lovely wife, and it tells the story about

2069
01:50:32,760 --> 01:50:36,280
Speaker 1: everything we had already lost almost everything that you can lose.

2070
01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:38,559
Speaker 1: They picked up our car. We have the Mercedes that's five.

2071
01:50:38,960 --> 01:50:41,040
Speaker 1: They picked that up in front of my house. But

2072
01:50:41,680 --> 01:50:43,840
Speaker 1: we were, you know, in that period of time or

2073
01:50:43,880 --> 01:50:46,519
Speaker 1: transitioning where you know, we didn't know if we're gonna

2074
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:49,320
Speaker 1: be able to keep our own home where we live

2075
01:50:49,400 --> 01:50:51,760
Speaker 1: at we already lost everything else. And she comes up

2076
01:50:51,800 --> 01:50:54,240
Speaker 1: with a with asked me a question, Hey, I know

2077
01:50:55,240 --> 01:50:57,880
Speaker 1: you say that we were okay, just hang on and

2078
01:50:57,880 --> 01:51:00,160
Speaker 1: you're doing good. You always you know, say it's be

2079
01:51:00,200 --> 01:51:02,240
Speaker 1: all right, baby, But I just want to know are

2080
01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:07,360
Speaker 1: we painting? Are we packing? And the just resonated. I

2081
01:51:07,439 --> 01:51:10,519
Speaker 1: was like, hey, okay, so I guess if we're paid me,

2082
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:12,680
Speaker 1: that means that we're staying or we're gonna pack this

2083
01:51:12,720 --> 01:51:14,800
Speaker 1: stucker up and we're gonna just go and move out

2084
01:51:14,840 --> 01:51:18,439
Speaker 1: with the babies. And that was where it kind of

2085
01:51:19,120 --> 01:51:22,720
Speaker 1: came home to me, where okay, let's go ahead and

2086
01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:25,559
Speaker 1: really sit down and see how we're gonna make it through.

2087
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:28,760
Speaker 1: Because we had already, you know, look at everything. But

2088
01:51:29,320 --> 01:51:31,760
Speaker 1: I also knew how to count our blessings. We had

2089
01:51:31,840 --> 01:51:34,360
Speaker 1: the store that was still open. We already lost the store,

2090
01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:37,640
Speaker 1: and we had our house. So even though that it

2091
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:41,320
Speaker 1: looked like our our walls and everything like that we're crashing,

2092
01:51:41,720 --> 01:51:45,280
Speaker 1: we still were doing better than most people can say

2093
01:51:45,400 --> 01:51:47,839
Speaker 1: during that period of time in the and in the recession.

2094
01:51:48,120 --> 01:51:50,000
Speaker 1: We had a place to live, and we had a

2095
01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:52,519
Speaker 1: business that was doors wore open war and making any money.

2096
01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:55,200
Speaker 1: We had everybody knocking on our doors and trying to

2097
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:58,439
Speaker 1: tap our tail, but we're still we were still open

2098
01:51:58,680 --> 01:52:02,680
Speaker 1: and we were paying keeping up with rolly roll and

2099
01:52:02,840 --> 01:52:04,960
Speaker 1: rent was the only things that we made see that

2100
01:52:05,080 --> 01:52:07,519
Speaker 1: taking care of anybody else. As far as vendors, we

2101
01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:11,439
Speaker 1: switched chicken vendors about three or four times to try

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01:52:11,479 --> 01:52:13,679
Speaker 1: to catch up on one because we had an outfend

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01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:16,160
Speaker 1: em boys on the other. But we made it through

2104
01:52:16,240 --> 01:52:19,880
Speaker 1: that period of time, and and I only believe that

2105
01:52:20,280 --> 01:52:23,439
Speaker 1: because we kind of came together and we were willing

2106
01:52:23,479 --> 01:52:25,680
Speaker 1: to go ahead and and and and and figure it

2107
01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:28,800
Speaker 1: out together, then we were able to make it through

2108
01:52:29,160 --> 01:52:31,720
Speaker 1: the other side. Now that's two thousand and eight. Now

2109
01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:36,320
Speaker 1: we have the pandemic unexpected. Nobody saw a comment which

2110
01:52:36,560 --> 01:52:39,400
Speaker 1: calls you the pivot. Let's talk about that experience and

2111
01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:41,439
Speaker 1: dealing with that, and then I want to go back

2112
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:44,800
Speaker 1: to back to this chap to talk about something that

2113
01:52:44,920 --> 01:52:47,640
Speaker 1: felt was very neat, called relationships, but talk to us

2114
01:52:47,640 --> 01:52:52,920
Speaker 1: about the pandemic and dealing with it. Nobody saw it coming, Diana. Um,

2115
01:52:53,600 --> 01:52:55,439
Speaker 1: we didn't see it coming, you know. I think our

2116
01:52:55,479 --> 01:52:57,719
Speaker 1: first glimpse of it was when we were actually down

2117
01:52:57,840 --> 01:53:00,599
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, UM, and it had just us our son

2118
01:53:01,000 --> 01:53:03,240
Speaker 1: thinking that, you know, he's gonna be finishing this semester

2119
01:53:03,439 --> 01:53:05,799
Speaker 1: down at moor House and we go in the airport

2120
01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:08,280
Speaker 1: and the airport is like empty, right, Remember it was

2121
01:53:08,360 --> 01:53:10,920
Speaker 1: like nobody in the airport. I'm like, Okay, something is

2122
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:14,559
Speaker 1: really going down because there's no travelers here in the airport. Um.

2123
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:17,840
Speaker 1: But the beauty of it, what we didn't know then

2124
01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:21,760
Speaker 1: when we invested into Wingstop was that their concept is

2125
01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:24,960
Speaker 1: built on takeout, like the concept that has always been

2126
01:53:25,040 --> 01:53:27,240
Speaker 1: on take the wings home for you know, with you

2127
01:53:27,360 --> 01:53:31,120
Speaker 1: to go. So in this pandemic, on this side of

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01:53:31,240 --> 01:53:36,320
Speaker 1: the restaurant business, we're actually thriving. We're actually thriving. Our

2129
01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:39,759
Speaker 1: numbers have even increased UM and we reduced our hours.

2130
01:53:40,160 --> 01:53:42,760
Speaker 1: It is changing how we're gonna do things. We've had

2131
01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:45,760
Speaker 1: to change and reevaluate how things are set up as

2132
01:53:45,800 --> 01:53:49,120
Speaker 1: far as how we're servicing our customers with social distancing

2133
01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:52,080
Speaker 1: and and we're in protective masks. But in the restaurant business,

2134
01:53:52,120 --> 01:53:54,760
Speaker 1: you're already kind of sanitized, and you should be or

2135
01:53:54,760 --> 01:53:58,120
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be in a restaurant because it's right, you

2136
01:53:58,160 --> 01:54:01,599
Speaker 1: should already be taking kind of health for options anyway. UM,

2137
01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:04,519
Speaker 1: as far as how you do business. So we were

2138
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:07,920
Speaker 1: actually in the gold mine business of wingstop because it

2139
01:54:08,040 --> 01:54:10,560
Speaker 1: was always set up as a carry out, so it

2140
01:54:10,720 --> 01:54:13,400
Speaker 1: hasn't really affected us. Now on the fat burger side

2141
01:54:13,640 --> 01:54:16,240
Speaker 1: a little different. UM, we have a location that's that

2142
01:54:16,400 --> 01:54:19,879
Speaker 1: Arizona State campus which is closed and it's still closed

2143
01:54:19,920 --> 01:54:23,200
Speaker 1: because school isn't in UM. So we had to close

2144
01:54:23,439 --> 01:54:25,559
Speaker 1: three of those and we were able to keep one open.

2145
01:54:25,640 --> 01:54:28,240
Speaker 1: But right now you know, three of them are open

2146
01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:31,439
Speaker 1: and one is still closed. So we we know what

2147
01:54:31,560 --> 01:54:33,440
Speaker 1: it is to come through. But I think going through

2148
01:54:33,480 --> 01:54:35,960
Speaker 1: it in oh eight, we already saw what that looked

2149
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:38,880
Speaker 1: like and we vowed to never be back in that situation.

2150
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:42,960
Speaker 1: So we reevaluate how our spending is, how we saved,

2151
01:54:43,560 --> 01:54:45,560
Speaker 1: how we make sure that we we invest in more

2152
01:54:45,640 --> 01:54:47,480
Speaker 1: than just one thing. Don't have all your you know,

2153
01:54:48,200 --> 01:54:51,120
Speaker 1: apples or whatever oranges in one basket. You know, you

2154
01:54:51,200 --> 01:54:53,960
Speaker 1: want to you know, diversify. And we looked at that

2155
01:54:54,120 --> 01:54:56,760
Speaker 1: and every sense that coming out of that recession of

2156
01:54:56,840 --> 01:55:00,720
Speaker 1: oh eight, we just are thinking changed. It shifted to

2157
01:55:00,840 --> 01:55:04,440
Speaker 1: where we wanted to have you know, multiple upon multiple

2158
01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:06,920
Speaker 1: up on multiple strings of income and make it our

2159
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:11,520
Speaker 1: portfolio diversified important. And I think that's what has saved

2160
01:55:11,640 --> 01:55:14,080
Speaker 1: us right now is because of that, you know, I

2161
01:55:14,120 --> 01:55:16,920
Speaker 1: wanted to bring up something in in that chapter. It's

2162
01:55:17,080 --> 01:55:20,800
Speaker 1: like relationships. I always tell people, you know, always uh

2163
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:24,400
Speaker 1: walk away from about somebody shaking their hands with a

2164
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:28,640
Speaker 1: good ski because uh, the county job came back into

2165
01:55:28,720 --> 01:55:31,280
Speaker 1: your life and with two thousand and eight, and it

2166
01:55:31,400 --> 01:55:33,800
Speaker 1: was it only came back into your life because you

2167
01:55:33,960 --> 01:55:37,520
Speaker 1: left in good, good stead us an incredible worker. Even

2168
01:55:37,560 --> 01:55:40,080
Speaker 1: though you knew you were spending a lot of hours

2169
01:55:40,280 --> 01:55:43,600
Speaker 1: with your franchise, the wing stop. They didn't diminish your

2170
01:55:43,640 --> 01:55:46,800
Speaker 1: work ethic at that location. And it came back to

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01:55:46,960 --> 01:55:50,320
Speaker 1: save you from two thousand nine and two thousand thirteen. Financially,

2172
01:55:50,640 --> 01:55:53,240
Speaker 1: give you, guys a steady check and and gave you

2173
01:55:53,360 --> 01:55:56,160
Speaker 1: guys a that health benefit that you needed in that

2174
01:55:56,640 --> 01:55:59,480
Speaker 1: fifteen and thirty check that you could count on from

2175
01:55:59,560 --> 01:56:02,720
Speaker 1: that period. It so talk to us about relationships because

2176
01:56:03,120 --> 01:56:06,240
Speaker 1: in business, relationships and all those things that are important

2177
01:56:06,240 --> 01:56:08,920
Speaker 1: that a lot of people tend to kind of like downplay.

2178
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:13,280
Speaker 1: But it's important and and and and and it's very important.

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01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:16,360
Speaker 1: And to speak on the time that I left the

2180
01:56:16,440 --> 01:56:19,280
Speaker 1: county and then came back, it was because of the

2181
01:56:19,360 --> 01:56:23,280
Speaker 1: relationships I had established. Um, I have respect there. They

2182
01:56:23,400 --> 01:56:26,440
Speaker 1: respected me, I respected them. I appreciated my county job,

2183
01:56:26,560 --> 01:56:28,280
Speaker 1: and I was able to make those phone calls and

2184
01:56:28,360 --> 01:56:31,680
Speaker 1: say and then humble myself. I didn't. I did not

2185
01:56:31,880 --> 01:56:35,240
Speaker 1: return back to the county job with this arrogance of

2186
01:56:35,640 --> 01:56:38,240
Speaker 1: oh I have a wingstop. You know that's you know,

2187
01:56:38,320 --> 01:56:40,960
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a restaurant owner and you guys should

2188
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:42,760
Speaker 1: you know, listen to me, and and I'm like no,

2189
01:56:43,000 --> 01:56:45,000
Speaker 1: I stayed in the humble position. I went back to

2190
01:56:45,120 --> 01:56:47,160
Speaker 1: social work. Um. They had me on a couple of

2191
01:56:47,240 --> 01:56:49,880
Speaker 1: special assignments because I was that kind of a worker.

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01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:51,960
Speaker 1: You know, I was a great worker. Um, so they

2193
01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:55,120
Speaker 1: had me on special assignments. But it was how I left,

2194
01:56:55,720 --> 01:56:58,840
Speaker 1: was why they welcomed me back, and when I left

2195
01:56:59,240 --> 01:57:02,200
Speaker 1: for the last time, never to return again. Praise Jesus.

2196
01:57:04,080 --> 01:57:07,840
Speaker 1: Even then I didn't walk out of there with you know, yeah,

2197
01:57:07,960 --> 01:57:11,320
Speaker 1: we're getting ready to open our second locations and deuces.

2198
01:57:11,360 --> 01:57:13,440
Speaker 1: I never want to see you people again. I still,

2199
01:57:14,040 --> 01:57:17,480
Speaker 1: you know, remain in contact and respectful to them and

2200
01:57:17,560 --> 01:57:21,040
Speaker 1: always showed appreciation for the opportunity to come back. And

2201
01:57:21,280 --> 01:57:24,200
Speaker 1: we do that and everything we do. UM. We tease

2202
01:57:24,400 --> 01:57:27,080
Speaker 1: my mom and Clint mom about them. They never meet

2203
01:57:27,120 --> 01:57:29,160
Speaker 1: a stranger. Like everybody they know. The next time we

2204
01:57:29,280 --> 01:57:31,720
Speaker 1: hear they see them, it's like they've known them for years.

2205
01:57:31,800 --> 01:57:34,440
Speaker 1: You know. Even our friends they've gotten their telephone numbers

2206
01:57:34,480 --> 01:57:36,400
Speaker 1: and talk to I'll talk to your mom. I'm like,

2207
01:57:36,480 --> 01:57:40,280
Speaker 1: how should get your number? We had those examples of

2208
01:57:40,360 --> 01:57:43,480
Speaker 1: what it means to build relationship are to our marriage

2209
01:57:43,520 --> 01:57:46,920
Speaker 1: community is strong. We sit around and we take vacations

2210
01:57:47,280 --> 01:57:50,600
Speaker 1: with those couples that we've respected that have a few

2211
01:57:50,720 --> 01:57:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, more years on us, UM to to say

2212
01:57:53,640 --> 01:57:55,760
Speaker 1: this is how we kind of navigated. We go to

2213
01:57:55,920 --> 01:57:58,040
Speaker 1: them like mentorship. We go to them on how to

2214
01:57:58,160 --> 01:58:00,440
Speaker 1: raise the children, you know, what to do when they

2215
01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:02,280
Speaker 1: go to college. What what did you you know, what

2216
01:58:02,440 --> 01:58:05,320
Speaker 1: mistakes that you made that you can help us avoid? UM,

2217
01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:08,680
Speaker 1: And that's been the center of who we are even

2218
01:58:08,720 --> 01:58:11,280
Speaker 1: in the book. And we talked about when we dated UM,

2219
01:58:11,600 --> 01:58:15,400
Speaker 1: we dated in big circles of other folks that had

2220
01:58:15,480 --> 01:58:19,640
Speaker 1: the same mindset, that wanted something out of life other

2221
01:58:19,760 --> 01:58:23,600
Speaker 1: than just you know what society say, we should have

2222
01:58:23,680 --> 01:58:27,840
Speaker 1: an opportunity to It's incredible And Clint, I want to

2223
01:58:27,880 --> 01:58:29,960
Speaker 1: close out with you on the clip a couple of thoughts.

2224
01:58:30,520 --> 01:58:33,040
Speaker 1: First of all, the book is fantastic, but it was

2225
01:58:33,160 --> 01:58:36,120
Speaker 1: in the same chapter lesson for that we were talking about.

2226
01:58:36,440 --> 01:58:39,320
Speaker 1: It was the five seeds for financial companycy that can

2227
01:58:39,360 --> 01:58:42,360
Speaker 1: help you prepared to own on a business. Can you

2228
01:58:42,440 --> 01:58:44,760
Speaker 1: close it out? Just tell us about that? And uh,

2229
01:58:45,200 --> 01:58:50,000
Speaker 1: and thank you both for coming to my show the storytelling.

2230
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:51,640
Speaker 1: In fact, I wanted to bring you back because we

2231
01:58:51,680 --> 01:58:55,560
Speaker 1: haven't even really tapped into the book what I'm saying,

2232
01:58:55,680 --> 01:58:57,360
Speaker 1: because you know, I know the book, you know, but

2233
01:58:57,800 --> 01:59:00,640
Speaker 1: but I don't want to. But I'm just recommending things

2234
01:59:00,680 --> 01:59:02,840
Speaker 1: that I loved about. That's why I started from chapter

2235
01:59:02,920 --> 01:59:06,160
Speaker 1: eight by family see see see see see. They talked

2236
01:59:06,160 --> 01:59:08,280
Speaker 1: about family in the whole way. But when you when

2237
01:59:08,320 --> 01:59:10,560
Speaker 1: you when you're bringing up your children and you're letting

2238
01:59:10,560 --> 01:59:13,640
Speaker 1: your children understand the value of hard work, letting them

2239
01:59:13,680 --> 01:59:15,720
Speaker 1: see to that this is you can own this, you

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01:59:15,800 --> 01:59:18,240
Speaker 1: can be this. You can walk around and and this

2241
01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:20,880
Speaker 1: can be you. You You can walk by a store

2242
01:59:20,880 --> 01:59:23,800
Speaker 1: and that's your name is part of the ownership of

2243
01:59:23,880 --> 01:59:26,920
Speaker 1: that store. But but let's talk about the five seeds

2244
01:59:26,960 --> 01:59:32,440
Speaker 1: for financial competency. Absolutely, so our book is called Faith

2245
01:59:32,640 --> 01:59:35,720
Speaker 1: Family Franchise. But we don't want to alienate people as

2246
01:59:35,760 --> 01:59:37,640
Speaker 1: far as the business. They don't have to get a franchise.

2247
01:59:37,720 --> 01:59:39,720
Speaker 1: That's just our journey, that's just what we've done. They

2248
01:59:39,720 --> 01:59:43,760
Speaker 1: can also be kind of substituted or or or or

2249
01:59:44,120 --> 01:59:47,800
Speaker 1: sitting them for finance. That's our background, it's my background.

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01:59:48,120 --> 01:59:50,920
Speaker 1: So we like the franchise and aspect of it because

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01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:52,879
Speaker 1: it gives you a business plan, gives you a template.

2252
01:59:52,920 --> 01:59:55,800
Speaker 1: It's something that is already supposed to be proven successful

2253
01:59:55,840 --> 01:59:58,840
Speaker 1: if you do your homework right. But if you're looking

2254
01:59:58,920 --> 02:00:02,200
Speaker 1: at just a business in general, an investor or a

2255
02:00:02,320 --> 02:00:04,920
Speaker 1: bank is going to want to know these five things.

2256
02:00:05,080 --> 02:00:07,160
Speaker 1: And it's and we call them the five seed. It's

2257
02:00:07,200 --> 02:00:10,880
Speaker 1: your character, are your worthwhile person, your credit, you know,

2258
02:00:11,160 --> 02:00:14,840
Speaker 1: are you trustworthy with money capital? Do you have any

2259
02:00:14,920 --> 02:00:16,720
Speaker 1: money or investment? They want to make sure that you

2260
02:00:16,840 --> 02:00:20,160
Speaker 1: have some skin in the game. Collateral obviously that could

2261
02:00:20,200 --> 02:00:22,200
Speaker 1: be you know, piece of real estate. There's a property

2262
02:00:22,320 --> 02:00:25,080
Speaker 1: also as far as the business assets, and then your capacity.

2263
02:00:25,440 --> 02:00:27,280
Speaker 1: That was the thing that we were lacking. We weren't

2264
02:00:27,320 --> 02:00:30,120
Speaker 1: restaurant tours. We didn't have the capacity or the resumes

2265
02:00:30,520 --> 02:00:32,920
Speaker 1: to basically say that, hey, if you give us this

2266
02:00:33,040 --> 02:00:35,720
Speaker 1: million dollar franchise, we're gonna be able to go ahead

2267
02:00:35,720 --> 02:00:39,320
Speaker 1: and run it successfully. But D went to training. I

2268
02:00:39,480 --> 02:00:42,320
Speaker 1: kind of learned by hard knocks, you know, in the business.

2269
02:00:42,640 --> 02:00:44,760
Speaker 1: D went to a train in Texas for three weeks

2270
02:00:44,840 --> 02:00:48,040
Speaker 1: to get the capacity issue going. So that way you

2271
02:00:48,160 --> 02:00:51,560
Speaker 1: can have the tools to really win at the trade

2272
02:00:51,680 --> 02:00:54,400
Speaker 1: or the profession that you're getting involved in. And you

2273
02:00:54,520 --> 02:00:58,600
Speaker 1: know that will lead into other things that you can

2274
02:00:58,680 --> 02:01:01,960
Speaker 1: know about yourself to to really be successful. And you

2275
02:01:02,040 --> 02:01:09,640
Speaker 1: have to put forth the work ethic in the work wow, character, credit, capital, collateral, capacity,

2276
02:01:10,480 --> 02:01:14,640
Speaker 1: the five seeds for financial competency. I want to thank YouTube,

2277
02:01:14,920 --> 02:01:19,480
Speaker 1: the Power Couple or Stradin their franchisees. You know workoholics,

2278
02:01:19,600 --> 02:01:24,000
Speaker 1: Uh great parents led by faith, built a great family

2279
02:01:24,480 --> 02:01:28,600
Speaker 1: and uh and award winning franchise owners for Wingstop and

2280
02:01:28,880 --> 02:01:31,280
Speaker 1: Fat Burgers. Appreciate you coming on my show. I hope

2281
02:01:31,320 --> 02:01:33,760
Speaker 1: it was a journey. There was there was that you enjoy.

2282
02:01:33,880 --> 02:01:35,600
Speaker 1: I know, I'm surprised to you know, I'm not surprised

2283
02:01:35,600 --> 02:01:38,400
Speaker 1: to be shot back down. I have something. I'm just

2284
02:01:38,800 --> 02:01:41,120
Speaker 1: I got a permanent tease on my face all day

2285
02:01:41,160 --> 02:01:45,520
Speaker 1: to day. Well, well you know, before we're wrapping up

2286
02:01:45,520 --> 02:01:49,640
Speaker 1: with there's something. I love wings Stop. I love fat Burger,

2287
02:01:49,720 --> 02:01:52,320
Speaker 1: fat Burger because I lived in l A fifteen years

2288
02:01:52,440 --> 02:01:55,400
Speaker 1: so so fat Burger. I know fat Burgers. I know

2289
02:01:55,520 --> 02:01:58,360
Speaker 1: two locations. I go through one over the since you're city,

2290
02:01:58,360 --> 02:02:00,600
Speaker 1: and the other one will Shirt and Highland and go

2291
02:02:00,720 --> 02:02:03,200
Speaker 1: in there like I told you that double King cheese

2292
02:02:03,360 --> 02:02:07,080
Speaker 1: relish all the way, you know, give me some of

2293
02:02:07,120 --> 02:02:09,360
Speaker 1: the because because I got getting older, so I can't

2294
02:02:09,400 --> 02:02:11,280
Speaker 1: eat the hole thing, I still go by. I still

2295
02:02:11,320 --> 02:02:13,880
Speaker 1: get that big because because I didn't get that junior

2296
02:02:13,920 --> 02:02:16,040
Speaker 1: I can't get I gotta get the double King and

2297
02:02:16,120 --> 02:02:18,040
Speaker 1: the single kind of makes me mad even though I

2298
02:02:18,160 --> 02:02:20,080
Speaker 1: can't eat it like I used to eat it. And

2299
02:02:20,200 --> 02:02:24,520
Speaker 1: give me that large strawberry shake and give me that large,

2300
02:02:25,200 --> 02:02:31,400
Speaker 1: large fat fried fat frown. I'm a fat did I

2301
02:02:31,480 --> 02:02:34,120
Speaker 1: go over there and then punch punch, punch on my

2302
02:02:34,240 --> 02:02:38,960
Speaker 1: catchup and a little whites up one two three, Fox,

2303
02:02:39,680 --> 02:02:42,040
Speaker 1: get my little tray, go to my table. And girl

2304
02:02:42,080 --> 02:02:44,960
Speaker 1: you're talking about you have a grid. I'd be spy.

2305
02:02:51,240 --> 02:02:53,600
Speaker 1: I love y'all both. I want to appreciate you, you know,

2306
02:02:53,680 --> 02:02:55,440
Speaker 1: your friends of the family. I want to bring you

2307
02:02:55,480 --> 02:02:57,240
Speaker 1: back on the show later on just to talk about,

2308
02:02:57,880 --> 02:03:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, the fall and the life and just going

2309
02:03:01,560 --> 02:03:03,800
Speaker 1: more detail about this book because it's a great book.

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