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Speaker 1: At least he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly, he

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Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson and it is a it's a

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Speaker 2: little nicer today. We have something yet today right right?

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Speaker 3: Last night? Yeah, we're supposed to get lot over night.

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Speaker 2: Too, oh goodie. Yeah yeah, hopefully we are done with

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Speaker 2: the show before that happens, because the Drive ride not fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, not fun.

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Speaker 2: But it's the not fun kind of season unless your

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Speaker 2: team is still in the postseason a.

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Speaker 3: Few of them.

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Speaker 2: So yeah. So you know, the NFL is down to

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Speaker 2: its final eight. The Pittsburgh Steelers are not one of

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Speaker 2: those teams, and so the discussions continue on how the

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Speaker 2: Steelers can become one of those final weight teams. And

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Speaker 2: the top quarterback veteran quarterback who figures to be available

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Speaker 2: on the open market this session this cycle, it is

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Speaker 2: probably Sam Donald, I would think.

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Speaker 4: So yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Nick Shook went through nine teams who could use

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Speaker 2: Sam Donald or Sam Donald could land here. I just

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Speaker 2: wanted to talk about this because toping his list is

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Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers. I understand it. I'm not on board

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Speaker 2: with it, but I would understand it.

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Speaker 3: I wonder what his dollar figure is going to be,

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Speaker 3: because I do think they'll be competing teams, which always

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Speaker 3: drives it up. The last two games obviously weren't pretty.

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Speaker 3: They weren't pretty, they really weren't. But a lot of

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Speaker 3: that was on the people around him. I mean, he

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Speaker 3: has to pressure has always been his problem, right, and

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Speaker 3: I think that there are some teams that are of

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Speaker 3: these nine that probably have considered him every step of

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Speaker 3: them have said, I don't know if we can protect

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Speaker 3: them well enough. You know, it is our system going

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Speaker 3: to hold up well enough, you know, particularly between the guards. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That was one of the things that struck me in

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Speaker 2: the playoff game Monday night. Was it as soon as

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Speaker 2: a guy would break free, and it didn't matter if

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Speaker 3: Away from Donald.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Donald froze like he was a deer in headlights,

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Speaker 3: And that's kind of two games in a row. But

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Speaker 3: the other fifteen were pretty good. For they were good.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I get it, you know, I get it now

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Speaker 3: They like discovered the you know, the issue.

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Speaker 2: You have, you have discussions about this. I just don't

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Speaker 2: know that what you're going to need to pay to

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Speaker 2: get Sam Darnold because it's going to be a multi

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Speaker 2: year deal. You're not getting him on a one or

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Speaker 3: A three year deal right now. Did price go down

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Speaker 3: a little the last two weeks? Maybe a little, but

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Speaker 2: So the question I would ask is, is Sam Darnold

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Speaker 2: asking for the Baker Mayfield deal three years, one hundred

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking he's like thirty five to forty a year.

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Speaker 3: I'd entertain it. I'd entertain it. There's a lot of

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Speaker 3: And the old saying something like I taught you everything

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Speaker 3: and I think that there was some of that because

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Speaker 2: There's ability there, and I liked him in the draft.

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Speaker 2: The second team on Shook's list is the Jets.

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Speaker 2: It's time to have to Yeah, yeah, it's time to

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Speaker 3: I'm Darnold. Much ratter play for the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: have competition. I just don't think he'll have someone just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I mean, is that all nine?

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Speaker 3: No, it's not a long list.

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Speaker 2: There were there were definite flashes this year. It's not

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Speaker 3: But you know, of the options, that's the one I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was last year as good as it's gonna be,

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Speaker 2: you got twenty one touchdown passes and six interceptions and

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Speaker 2: thirty two hundred yards passing. Out of the two quarterbacks,

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Speaker 3: Jephin Jefferson too.

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Speaker 3: in doubt he chucked it that directly.

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Speaker 2: Steeler quarterbacks were sacked forty nine times. Darnald was sacked

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Speaker 3: A lot of them in the last two weeks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and sacks is a quarterback stat and it's not great.

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Speaker 2: I mean I would understand it.

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Speaker 3: I would understand it too.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I would love it.

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Speaker 3: don't just throw them in what these guys are doing

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Speaker 2: He's also not necessarily the kind of quarterback that Mike

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Speaker 3: He's more a turnover.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's more of a pocket passer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: He's a he's a good athlete. He's not a plus athlete.

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Speaker 3: a turnover mistake standpoint not being it. Well that too,

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Speaker 2: Twelve interceptions and eight fumbles this year is like.

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Speaker 3: I guess that's kind of what it comes down to,

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Speaker 3: is if you're going to consider him or even like

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Speaker 3: additional good still Baker Mayfield argument exactly.

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Speaker 2: Same thing.

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Speaker 3: You got to be, William.

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Speaker 4: You've got to be.

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Speaker 2: Willing to live with the mistakes because there's got to

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Speaker 2: I mean, but they built they build a roster around him.

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Speaker 3: Right right. You don't have a J Brown and DeVante Smith.

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Speaker 2: Right And until the Eagles went out and did that.

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Speaker 3: They made the aggressive move.

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Speaker 2: They made the aggressive move and got the wide receiver.

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Speaker 3: It's a bad matchup for a lot of teams for

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Speaker 2: The problem is that you keep banging your head. It's

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Speaker 2: You still need offensive weapons. That's to me why I

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Speaker 2: You can miss. You can swing and miss it.

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Speaker 2: Number two is better now than ever.

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Speaker 3: You know, the quarterback just keeps getting back.

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Speaker 2: Because what they did is instead of just saying, Okay,

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 2: So to me, that's what you that's what this offseason

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Speaker 2: Oh, I would understand it, But I don't know that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is he Where does he come down in the

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Speaker 2: And can I do that if I give him thirty

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Speaker 2: five to forty million dollars over a long term?

442
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Speaker 3: Yeah's a draft law. Yeah, I mean, you'll definitely have

443
00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,920
Speaker 3: the draft wall right because Cam Hayward's not going to

444
00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:36,960
Speaker 3: be there in three years or you know.

445
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,679
Speaker 2: I mean you're going to start restocking the cupboard and

446
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,760
Speaker 2: continue to restock the cover. I think they've done that

447
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,959
Speaker 2: in the last two drafts. It looks that way, you know.

448
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,639
Speaker 2: I think they've they've gotten some real pieces here that

449
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,920
Speaker 2: you can build around, you know, even going back farther

450
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 2: than that, but you're going to continue to build and.

451
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Speaker 3: It's just so rare in this era. And the last

452
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 3: team I can remember is coincidentally it's Peyton Manning's team,

453
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,159
Speaker 3: But he wasn't Peyton Manning when he was with Denver.

454
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 3: I mean, he was Peyton Manning from the neck up.

455
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,160
Speaker 3: But to win, just run the ball on defense? Yeah,

456
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 3: Like it's really tough to do, and it it's really

457
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 3: tough to do. I think it could be done. And

458
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Speaker 3: maybe the next ten Super Bowl winners one of those

459
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,439
Speaker 3: teams is that type that doesn't have at least a

460
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:21,160
Speaker 3: Pro Bowl quarter.

461
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,919
Speaker 2: But I think that's what the Steelers were hoping to get.

462
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson, Yeah, yeah, Like, can we just want what

463
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 2: you got from the neck up? And for a large

464
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 2: portion to say the.

465
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Speaker 3: Network that didn't fit that part didn't fail, you know,

466
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 3: right now, you can't have a three point nine yards

467
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 3: to carry, you know, and you have to have the

468
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Speaker 3: best defense.

469
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 2: And you need to have a second offensive weapon. Right

470
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 2: he just one guy right right right? It makes you

471
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 2: too easy to defend, oh, no doubt.

472
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

473
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Speaker 2: Anyways, let's get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson.

474
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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lollie. You're listening to the Drive here

475
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Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network. When we come back, we'll

476
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Speaker 2: be joined by the Dean of Dooms, Bob Labriola.

477
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Speaker 3: Right after this.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly.

482
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 2: He is the Matt Williamson. And now on the Justin

483
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Speaker 2: Miller Hotline, we welcome in the Dean of Doom, the

484
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 2: Lord of living in his fears, the King of the

485
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 2: off Season, Bob Labriola. How you doing, Bob.

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Speaker 4: Happy started the off season?

487
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, right, You've got more titles than anybody else

488
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 2: on this on the show.

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Speaker 3: You know that just keep coming on Apparently you know

490
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:43,640
Speaker 3: what those titles are.

491
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Speaker 2: Work are undying gratitude, Bob, That's what they're working. Oh, so,

492
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 2: labs looking at this season as a whole, I know

493
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 2: everybody wants to focus on the air and I get it.

494
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 2: That's the recency bias that we all look at. Did

495
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 2: you see any tangible evidence this season of any growth

496
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: from this particular roster.

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Speaker 5: I gotta be honest, it's hard for me to It's

498
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 5: hard for me to pinpoint anything. I mean because I

499
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 5: I you know, how you finish is huge in this league.

500
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Speaker 4: It just is.

501
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, And you know, I understand that there were mitigating factors,

502
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 5: you know, the whole the whole schedule thing. You know,

503
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 5: I think we've talked about this already. I mean, this

504
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 5: is a Hard Knocks creation, This backloaded schedule, you know,

505
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 5: all of this again, loading up the not only the

506
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 5: division games, but a lot of difficult games.

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00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 4: It just it was a TV show.

508
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 5: And you know, it's it's hard for me not to

509
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 5: be ragingly cynical when you know, this is the kind

510
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 5: of thing that drives the car, because that's what it is.

511
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 5: You know, I've I've always hated Hard Knocks. I think

512
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 5: it is an intrusive, unnecessary peek behind the curtain. It's

513
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 5: it's kind of tabloid in my opinion. It's propureant in

514
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 5: a lot of ways. And you know, again who knows,

515
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 5: you know, because if you take the season, the Steelers season,

516
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 5: and if they open with five losses or four losses

517
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 5: and finished ten and seven, the feeling that we have

518
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 5: about it right now is totally different.

519
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's.

520
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 5: The same thing. So, you know, I don't know. I

521
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 5: the season is over. It was, it was, it was disappointing.

522
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 5: I think it's fair to call the playoff game embarrassing.

523
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 5: And now it's you know, what's next. I don't, I don't.

524
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 5: I don't feel qualified to get, you know, judge the

525
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 5: entire roster and point to signs of what I where

526
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Speaker 5: I think there might have been growth. And you know,

527
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 5: all due respect, you know, to you guys, this is

528
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 5: your show. I think it's meaningless because it's seeking comfort

529
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 5: or looking for silver linings or you know, any of

530
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 5: that kind of stuff. And to me, it's the same

531
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 5: thing as nitpicking nets from the season. Uh.

532
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 4: You know, I don't think that there's any.

533
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 5: Question that there were that there were things that we

534
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 5: found out during the season that need to be addressed,

535
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 5: starting you know, now, and then running through to when

536
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 5: the three of us meet a Sharky's that first night

537
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 5: the training camp opens, after the run test or the

538
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 5: conditioning test, whatever it's called these days.

539
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Speaker 3: I could go for that.

540
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Speaker 4: We might, we might.

541
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Speaker 5: I'll tell you what, based on what I've heard about

542
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 5: what's going, what has been happening in the Laurel Highlands,

543
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 5: and what they're expecting.

544
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Speaker 4: Maybe tonight into tomorrow, you might need a snowmobile to

545
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 4: get there.

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00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about a warm summer day in late July though.

547
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, okay, so but I don't know.

548
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 5: I I and and if you want, even if let's

549
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 5: just pretend you.

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00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 4: Want to say, well, there was some growth at quarterback,

551
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 4: and I'm just picking something out.

552
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 5: I don't even necessarily believe what I'm saying, but I'm

553
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 5: just using this as an example. The three guys you

554
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 5: have there are all pending unrestricted free agents, So I mean,

555
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 5: it really has no meaning beyond the final gun of

556
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 5: the playoff game against the Ravens, because it could be

557
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 5: totally different in a month, two months, three months, whatever

558
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 5: it might be.

559
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 4: So I don't know you got anything else.

560
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 3: You mentioned the Ravens. I just want to throw this

561
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 3: out there too. I mean, I was just really unimpressed

562
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 3: with the Steelers, but I'm also really impressed with the Ravens.

563
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 3: Do you think they're a super Bowl caliber team. I'm

564
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 3: not saying that's your prediction, but do you think that

565
00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 3: they're at that level?

566
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, let me say this, the way I'm

567
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 5: looking at the Ravens right now is the way I

568
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 5: was looking at Penn State and the college football playoffs.

569
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 5: Everything about the entire process for me moving forward is

570
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 5: that the Ravens don't win the Super Bowl. I don't

571
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 5: really care who else does. I'm not going to lavish

572
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 5: thing that franchise ever will never happen. So I'm a

573
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 5: big Buffalo Bills fan. I'll even hold my nose and

574
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 5: root for Jake from State Farm. The week after that.

575
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 5: I will, you know, sing whatever the Lions fight song is.

576
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 5: I don't care Fly Eagles, Fly, whatever.

577
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 4: It is, because you know, I don't know that a labeling,

578
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 4: you know, a team necessarily super Bowl.

579
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 5: Caliber is another one of those things to me that

580
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 5: I don't know that has any meaning. You know, they're

581
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 5: gonna play the games you got to be who you

582
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 5: who you have to play. You get to play them

583
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 5: at Homer on the road based on how.

584
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Speaker 4: You did during the regular season.

585
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 5: All of that is, you know, it is cutting dry,

586
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,239
Speaker 5: it's laid out, there's a procedure. You earn it or

587
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 5: you you don't based on what you have done on

588
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 5: the field. And you know, my preference is that it

589
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 5: not be the Ravens. Yes, I could see them there

590
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 5: is you know you talk about, you know, lord of

591
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 5: living in his fears. Well that's me when it comes

592
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 5: to sure. I can see a path uh from Baltimore

593
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 5: to you know, winning the Super Bowl. But uh, you know,

594
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 5: like I said, I it could happen, but I'm not.

595
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 5: I'm gonna give you my Denny Green crown them if

596
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 5: you want to.

597
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 4: I'm uninterested in that.

598
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: So, Bob, you mentioned that the quarterback sits wait, and

599
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: how they don't have anybody under contract for next year.

600
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: That's going to be the biggest thing that this team

601
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 2: needs to tackle moving forward. And everything else revolves around that,

602
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: does it not. It's the most important position on the field.

603
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 5: Yes, And you know, I do believe that you need

604
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 5: somebody there. You know, there was there was a time

605
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 5: in the eighties where you could look at teams that

606
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 5: won the Super Bowl and and maybe convince yourself that

607
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 5: there was a path to a Lombardi Trophy with you know,

608
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 5: a guy like Mark Rippin.

609
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Phil sims is winning super Bowls.

610
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 5: And yeah, yeah, so, but I don't think that's the

611
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 5: case anymore. I mean, the way they legislate the game

612
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 5: now and officiate it. You know, you have to have

613
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 5: a big time offense. They protect the quarterbacks because that

614
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 5: you know, draws eyeballs, and eyeballs means ratings, and ratings

615
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 5: mean revenue. So and if you look at you know,

616
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 5: they got quarterbacks in the A f C. Are the

617
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 5: ones that are there now, they're they're you know, franchise

618
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 5: caliber quarterbacks, you know. And that's to me, is such

619
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 5: a overused term because a lot of it's like, you know,

620
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 5: he's a Hall of Fame player.

621
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 4: Anybody.

622
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 5: You can say that about anybody, And I think that

623
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 5: that has become a watered down kind of platitude. And

624
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 5: I think franchise quarterback is a watered down label because

625
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 5: I don't know that a lot of the people, a

626
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 5: lot of the players who are labeled franchise quarterbacks actually are.

627
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 5: But when you're dealing with Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen and.

628
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 4: Homes Burrow and.

629
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Speaker 5: Well, he's not in the playoffs, I mean going forward, yeah,

630
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 5: c J. Stroud was in the playoffs, is in the playoffs.

631
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 5: I mean, those are guys who are, in my mind

632
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 5: close to, if not already have attained worthiness to be

633
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 5: called franchise quarterbacks. The Steelers don't have that. And what

634
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 5: we learned those of us, you know, old enough to remember,

635
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 5: there was a great desert that brought up yesterday, right

636
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 5: Terry Bradshaw's retirement and the drafting of Ben Roethlis.

637
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: You were in a lot of Scottie Campbell's in that

638
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 2: type out there.

639
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 4: Neil O'Donnell, right.

640
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 5: I mean, you know you you had a in my opinion,

641
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 5: that defense in the mid to late nineties was.

642
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 4: Spectacular, and you use that defense to.

643
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 5: Get yourself to a super Bowl in nineteen ninety five,

644
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 5: and you lost that game because the quarterback play gave

645
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 5: it to the opponent, you know, kneel through the picks

646
00:32:55,280 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 5: and you lost. So I don't think that there is

647
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 5: a path to that kind of championship anymore without you know,

648
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 5: a big time quarterback. So how do you get one?

649
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 5: You know, it's easier said than done. And you know,

650
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 5: Bill Kuersher gets a lot of credit for the guy

651
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 5: that he didn't want to draft, I'll tell you that.

652
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 5: But it, you know, works out. And you know, the

653
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 5: Steelers won two super Bowls within a five to six

654
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 5: four year span because of Ben Roethlis.

655
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: And went to another So for for our listeners who

656
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: aren't familiar with that whole process, and you you helped

657
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: write the book of literally on it, run us through,

658
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: uh the whole Ben Roethlisberger drafting situation, or at least

659
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 2: an a bridge version, Cliff.

660
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 4: I mean you know that going into that that year,

661
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 4: Bill Couer was a big Philip Rivers guy. I don't know.

662
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 4: You know, it's easy to.

663
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 5: Say, well, Philip Rivers played at NC State and that

664
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 5: was where Bill Cowherd played his college football, and that's

665
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 5: why I liked him. But I mean I don't want

666
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 5: to you know, cheap and cheaping it that way. I mean,

667
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 5: Philip Rivers a big time prospect going into that draft.

668
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 4: You know, Ben was seen as a guy who.

669
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 5: There were the three top quarterbacks, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers,

670
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 5: Ben Roethlisberger, you know whatever order.

671
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 4: You know, you like them going into that draft.

672
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 5: Then teams liked them, you know, different ways, different orders.

673
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 4: But you know Ben was not. He might have been seen.

674
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 5: As the most raw at the time going in AH,

675
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 5: but there was no questioning his dynamic talent.

676
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 4: Uh. You know, Kevin Colvert was on him early.

677
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 5: You know, the Mac was a conference that the Steelers

678
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 5: you know, got players from him and Kevin Colbert knew

679
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 5: about Eastern Michigan, which is.

680
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 4: In the mac h Charlie Batch.

681
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 5: So when he was at Detroit, So I mean there

682
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 5: was no Ben Roethlisberger was not a surprise. Okay. So

683
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 5: the draft comes around, Philip Rivers gets picked and Eli

684
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 5: Manning was picked as well. Bill Kower wanted Sean Andrews

685
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 5: and he was an offensive lineman from Arkansas.

686
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 4: I believe, yeah he was.

687
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 3: I remember him coming out. He's a good prospect in

688
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 3: the first rounder all day long, you know, yeah, he

689
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 3: was a guard.

690
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 5: Seriously, Okay, Matt, let's you know you're picking a guard

691
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:57,959
Speaker 5: that high?

692
00:35:59,080 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 3: Oh, I hear you.

693
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 2: I'm saying they should have picked John Ry.

694
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 4: Yeah no, no, right, but he wasn't.

695
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: But he wasn't a quarterback.

696
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 5: But he wasn't an eleventh overall pick even I mean

697
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 5: eleventh overall. You're not picking If you want to pick

698
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 5: an offensive lineman, you'd better be a good pass blocking

699
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 5: tackle that high. You don't pick centers there. You don't

700
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 5: pick guards there. That's my opinion. You know, if you're

701
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 5: picking a defensive player there, he'd better be able to

702
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 5: either put the quarterback on the ground or create takeaways,

703
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 5: either with.

704
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 4: With interceptions or or something like that.

705
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 5: So anyway, so it comes around to the Steelers turn

706
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 5: and Bill Cower is ready to turn in the card

707
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 5: or have the card turned in however you want to.

708
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 5: And Dan Rooney was in the room and he just said,

709
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 5: slow down here because on the board there was Ben

710
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 5: higher than everybody else. Because you know, this Steelers draft

711
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:06,479
Speaker 5: board at the end lists all of the prospects one

712
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 5: to however many there are, let's just say two hundred

713
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 5: and fifty. I'm just picking a number out of the

714
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 5: sky once or two hundred and fifty, okay, and then

715
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 5: as their they're picked, you take them off the board.

716
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 5: So you're looking at the board and there was this

717
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 5: magnet or name plate or whatever they were using at

718
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 5: the time, Ben Roethlisberger, Miami of Ohio. It was higher

719
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 5: than anything else. And you know, but Dan Rooney says, well,

720
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 5: we got time, let's let's talk about this. So then

721
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 5: he starts getting people to weigh in on Roethlisberger. You know,

722
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 5: when you think about him, what you like about him.

723
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 5: It started the discussion. Then some momentum built and it

724
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 5: wasn't an order from the owner, but you know, he

725
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 5: was Dan Rooney's life. He's in the Hall of.

726
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 4: Fame for this. He is a consent. It's this builder.

727
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 4: He built a consensus, and the Steelers picked Roethlisberger.

728
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 5: And you know, I heard the story kind of of

729
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 5: what went on in that room before the end.

730
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 4: Of that day.

731
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 5: And then when I helped the ambassador with his memoir

732
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 5: Dan Rooney my seventy five years with the Steelers in

733
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 5: the National Football League, he told that story to me,

734
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 5: and I believe Dan Rooney. I don't think he would lie.

735
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 5: He doesn't need to lie. He was never that kind

736
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 5: of person. And so, you know, while there have been

737
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 5: some initiatives let me use that word to re write history,

738
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 5: I'm not buying it. I believe what he told me.

739
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 5: It wasn't a i'm your boss picked this guy thing.

740
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 5: But once he got the conversation going and maybe some

741
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 5: people spoke up who might not have been so forthcoming

742
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 5: had not the owner asked them a direct question, what

743
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 5: do you think of this guy? So you know, the

744
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 5: Steelers ended up with what I believe was the first

745
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 5: ballot Hall of Famer. And as we've already talked about

746
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 5: in this segment two more Lombardi Trophies and another and

747
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 5: a chance at a third. And here's another little piece

748
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 5: of bias on my part. Without the player's safety initiative,

749
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 5: they would have won that third trophy because Jordy Nelson

750
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 5: would have been taken off the field down there in

751
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 5: Jerry Jones World on a stretcher because those deep seam routes.

752
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 5: Anybody who saw the two thousand and eight AFC Championship

753
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 5: game and how the Steelers defended those kind of passes

754
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 5: before they were declared i'll legal, or the way they

755
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 5: defended those kinds of passes until that was declared illegal.

756
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 5: You know, it was physical and it was violent and

757
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 5: that was at the time that was legal. And so

758
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 5: but anyway, that's you know, water under the bridge. But

759
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 5: that's the way that I will always believe Ben Roethlisberger

760
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 5: ended up with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

761
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you have to figure out a way

762
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: to to make that happen again. And it's again, It's

763
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: happened twice in franchise history. We've gone out and gotten

764
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 2: that guy once number one overall. In the second time

765
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: at eleven through some good fortune.

766
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 3: This year will be at twenty one. This year's going

767
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 3: to be a.

768
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 2: Twenty one when when they let Jalen Milroe from Alabama,

769
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 2: bum there you go.

770
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 5: Well look and let me just you know, just as

771
00:40:55,719 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 5: a before the Steelers played Kansas City for the Mike

772
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 5: Tomlans Show, I was taking it with him. I asked

773
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 5: him about Patrick Mahomes and what he remembered about Mahomes

774
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 5: the year he came out, and you know, Mike Tomlins

775
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 5: explained that that was still Ben.

776
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 3: Was twenty sixteen, right, seventeen, twenty seventeen, but.

777
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 4: It was still pre elbow injury Ben.

778
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 5: So you know, the Steelers were, you know, you're not

779
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 5: looking for a starting quarterback at that point. But Mike

780
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 5: Tomlan said that that draft, Kevin Colbert was all over Mahomes,

781
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 5: constantly talking about how good he was, all the things

782
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 5: he could do, make all those throws with all the

783
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 5: different arm angles.

784
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 4: He was a playmaker.

785
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 5: You know, his background, his father was a major league

786
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 5: baseball player. Just loved him, loved him, loved him, loved him. No,

787
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 5: I don't know that there were a lot of people.

788
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 5: I don't know if that was a consensus opinion on

789
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 5: Homes coming out because the Chiefs did trade up to

790
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 5: get him.

791
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 4: There were a few guys.

792
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 2: Watching, went ahead of him, Trubisky went ahead of him,

793
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: went just after him, just after him. He was he

794
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 2: was the second quarterback taking Trubisky went second, second.

795
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 4: Yeah.

796
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he was the tenth overall pick in the draft.

797
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 5: So anyway, uh, you know, you can certainly accurately, you know,

798
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 5: scout people and you know, have a good idea of

799
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 5: what they might be able to do for your team.

800
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 5: You know, whether then you have the wherewithal or the

801
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 5: luck to be able to draft them or not. You know,

802
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 5: that might be the most critical element of it. But

803
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 5: I also think that there was some value in getting

804
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 5: those kinds of evaluations correct.

805
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 2: If he comes up three years later, maybe he's a Steeler,

806
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 2: you know, just time the way the timing worked.

807
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, uh so, but you know it's not it

808
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 5: didn't happen that way. Just like a nineteen eighty five

809
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 5: Bill Nunn told me this story about he was all

810
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 5: over Jerry Rice and he had convinced Chuck Knowle that

811
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 5: this is this this was the guy and the Steelers,

812
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 5: the Steelers were going to pick him if he was

813
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 5: there in the in the first round and the forty

814
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 5: nine Ers traded up and grabbed the right right up

815
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 5: from under their.

816
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 4: Nose, you know.

817
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 5: And that was a time where you know, the Steelers

818
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 5: didn't Chuck nolden't believe in trading.

819
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 4: Picks to move up to make a pick. He valued

820
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 4: each pick individually very highly, so that you know that

821
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 4: that just wasn't gonna happen. But again, that's another example of.

822
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 5: A correct evaluation that not everybody else had it correct

823
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 5: and maybe had things broken a little bit differently on

824
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 5: draft day Jerry Rice when he started his career with

825
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 5: the Steelers and then Marino in eighty three. You know,

826
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 5: franchise history is totally.

827
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,479
Speaker 3: Different, right, just the way it goes.

828
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the draft is a you can't necessarily

829
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: count on getting what you need in the draft or

830
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: your favorite guy or your favorite guy, yeah, because there's

831
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: no guarantee because unless you have the number one overall pick,

832
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: we're willing to trade up to get it. There's just

833
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 2: no guarantees there.

834
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 4: Right.

835
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 5: There's a lot of luck is involved in picking. I

836
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 5: mean all of the preparation and all of the work

837
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 5: that goes into it, you know, and you do your

838
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 5: board and do your due.

839
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 4: Diligence and all that other stuff.

840
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 5: But then the picking has to fall for you, or

841
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 5: you have to have an opportunity to reap your labors.

842
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 5: You know, the fruits of your labors. So there we are.

843
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 2: All right, labs. We've taken up enough of your time here.

844
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 2: I know it's the off season and you've got more

845
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: doom and gloom to get into it here. But we

846
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 2: will let you go. We'll talk to you and since

847
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 2: now to shovel we will. We'll talk to you again soon.

848
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 2: That is Bob Labriola, editor of Steelers digestin Steelers dot com.

849
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 2: Of course, Steeler's his story, and go check out the

850
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 2: Hall of Honor Museum. Bob was a big part of that.

851
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: You can go check that out at that Akrisuer Stadium.

852
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: But he is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're

853
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: listening to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network.

854
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: We'll be back with more right after this.

855
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 4: At least.

856
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

857
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and

858
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.

859
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 2: And we're back. I'm Dale Lolly. He is the Matt

860
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 2: Williamson and we kept Bob long there. So yeah, we

861
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 2: did a quick little in and out.

862
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 3: Here was awesome.

863
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 2: I just I wanted to make sure everybody knew that

864
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: part of the story.

865
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 3: That's how that stuff happens. Yeah, obviously they talked it

866
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 3: out the night before, but then the owner walks in

867
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: and be like, why is that card higher?

868
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 4: Then?

869
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: Why when we have that guy higher and we're not

870
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: going to take him quarterback?

871
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 3: Just explained it to me. Yeah, I'm not saying you're wrong,

872
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 3: but let me hear it. Yeah, right, And.

873
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 2: That to me is kind of what sets some things apart.

874
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 2: You know when people talk about well, you know Bill

875
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 2: Cower and always saying, you know, coward didn't win a

876
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 2: Super Bowl until he had the quarterback, and people as well,

877
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: but you know, he got the he wanted the quarterback.

878
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 2: I'm like, did he because that's not what I've heard.

879
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 3: No, I've heard that for ten years.

880
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: You know, like he had to be kind of talked

881
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 2: into taking the quarterback.

882
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 3: And we kind of laughed at Andrews, but he was

883
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 3: a coward type, mashing offensive lineman that was highly regarded

884
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 3: and I gee, why here's you.

885
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: Know, coward came and you know, I'm a Marty Schottenheimer guy,

886
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 2: Washington County guy won a boatload of games in the NFL,

887
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: And he won a boatload of games in the NFL

888
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 2: without a star quarterback, right until he went out at

889
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 2: the end of his career and got Joe Montana and

890
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:01,479
Speaker 2: then Mash and played championship game a couple of times,

891
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: still came up short, and people hold that against him,

892
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: But he had that we're going to run the ball

893
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: and play defense mentality, and that's where Cowr came from

894
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 2: one hundred percent.

895
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 3: I mean that was his makeup too, you Yeah, and

896
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 3: they had the defense, you know, right.

897
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 2: But Cower would have if Cower had had his brothers,

898
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: they'd had Sean Andrews and Tommy Maddox would have been

899
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 2: their quarterback for the next couple of years.

900
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 4: Not that they're they.

901
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 2: Couldn't have been a good football team, yeah, but they

902
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 2: they they're not winning a.

903
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 3: Super Bowl, no, I mean, and then who the heck?

904
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 3: I mean back to the conversation, maybe they draft Aaron

905
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 3: Rodgers the next year, then, right, I mean, like.

906
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 2: It changes the whole.

907
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 5: You know.

908
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 2: So it's all part of the luck and the good

909
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 2: fortune and the things that happened in those draft rooms.

910
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 3: And labs mentioned it, but it happens to every team.

911
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 3: Like we have the highest grade of all thirty two

912
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 3: teams on Jerry Rice. Doesn't mean he ends up in

913
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 3: your team, on your gam you know, the year Mahomes

914
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 3: came out, they're drafting thirtieth. Yeah, you're one hundred percent

915
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 3: right about your evaluation on the player. That doesn't mean

916
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 3: he ends up on your team.

917
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 2: Could could they have moved up from where they were

918
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: at as the Chiefs did move up from where they

919
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 2: were at. Sure, but it would have cost a hell

920
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 2: of a lot.

921
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 3: More, right, and you had a quarterback the time, and

922
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 3: that wasn't the right move even if you love him.

923
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many players.

924
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: Roethlisberger at that point was still thirty five years old,

925
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 2: Like you thought, Okay, he's got four or five more

926
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 2: years left, you know.

927
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 3: I mean it happens in every draft room every year,

928
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 3: and they're not always right, But there's a ton of

929
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 3: players you adored that end up on other rosters, right,

930
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 3: that's the way.

931
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 2: Well, that's why guy like Patrick Queen is now a Steeler.

932
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: They loved him in the draft. Yeah, yeah, when he

933
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 2: became available, they went and got him. Yes, they went

934
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 2: and got Makeing Fitzpatrick. Make I Fitzpatrick was one of

935
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 2: the They had a top five grade on him.

936
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, coming out. Well, when he became available, you go

937
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 3: get him. You go get him right, right, as long

938
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 3: as your opinion doesn't change because the pro film or

939
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 3: injuries or whatever.

940
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 4: Right.

941
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's why all these guys you when you

942
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 3: if you pull up any scouting report, Russell Wilson's it

943
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 3: starts with college, right, you know what they thought of

944
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 3: him coming out.

945
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know you got to take the big

946
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 2: swings at the quarterback position. I just don't know that

947
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: that big swing is going to be available this year.

948
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: Getting us background what we talked about in the first Yeah.

949
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe there's a draft guy we end up

950
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 3: loving or something like that would be. Maybe there's a

951
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 3: guy draft guy they end up loving. We'll see.

952
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's lots of time between now and then, but

953
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 2: we're gonna get to a break that's going to do

954
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 2: it for our number one of the drive here on

955
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 2: the Steelers Audio Network, Matt Now, I'll be back with

956
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: our number two right after this