1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in everybody. Wednesday edition of The 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. A lot to break 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: down today. We have the aftermath of the celebration. That's right, 5 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: the Dow was down twelve hundred plus points yesterday. Could 6 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: even give up the worst day since early twenty twenty, 7 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: worst day for the stock market of Biden's presidency, which 8 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: is saying something because they've been a lot of bad 9 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: ones unfortunately. So it was a really bad day in 10 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: the markets, and they were having a celebration at the 11 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: White House about how great they are when it comes 12 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: to inflation reduction and all the rest of it. Will 13 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: discuss that in just a second. More just disorder, chaos, 14 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: lawlessness at the border. People taking photos of the encampments 15 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: on the streets of El Paso, Texas. I've been down 16 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: to El Paso before to see what's going on at 17 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: the border. It is not on a big city. It 18 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: is not New York or Chicago. It is now overrun 19 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: with illegal migrants on the streets. The bid administration claiming 20 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: that they're dealing with this. That's something we definitely have 21 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: to discuss a big congratulations to Caroline Levitt who won 22 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: her primary in New Hampshire. We had her on just 23 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: Monday of this week and she won a big Republican 24 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: primary up in New Hampshire. Talk to you more about 25 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: some of the latest on the polling class. An interesting 26 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: number from data numbers from the betting market. When it 27 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 1: comes to where this election is heading. The good news, folks, 28 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: is we're moving in the right direction right now. The 29 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: GOP writ large, a phrase I try to avoid using, 30 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: but I just did. GOP overall is moving in the 31 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: right direction. But we got to keep the foot on 32 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: the accelerator here if we're going to take back the 33 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: Senate that much as for sure. We'll discuss all that. Oh, 34 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: and they went after Look, they shred the constitution, they 35 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: weaponize the deep state, they do all these crazy things. 36 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: But they've now gone even a step further and seize 37 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: the phone of our dear friend and sponsor of this program, 38 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: Mike Lindell, the founder of My pillow. The FBI grabbed 39 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: him in a heart ease, took his phone apparently, and 40 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: we'll get into We got a SoundBite from Mike on 41 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: this told them not to tell anybody about this, Clay, 42 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: how dare they go after our go after our friend. 43 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: Mike Lindell not a crazy perfect slippers he goes to 44 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: eat at heart Ease. This guy is the best. I 45 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: hope he was there for the breakfast. The Hearty's breakfast 46 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: is I think, not to take any shots at Hardy's, 47 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: but I think the greatest part of the Hardy's day. 48 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: And they were one of the first fast food places 49 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: to really go all their biscuits are incredible, So they 50 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: were one of the first fast food places to really 51 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: go all in on breakfast. And so I just I mean, look, 52 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: we're kind of making light of it, but this is 53 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: we overwhelming state power moves to be taking citizens phones 54 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: when they're out at fast food restaurants. And just think 55 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: about how this is happening right before an election. Mike is, 56 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: as everyone listening to this nose a sponsor this program. 57 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: I'm wearing his slippers right now. Mike is a prolific 58 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: and stalwart sponsor of free speech and conservative content on 59 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: Fox on Radio for US and many other programs, many podcasts. 60 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: It is not a coincidence in my mind that they 61 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: are just happening to intimidate our friend Mike right before. 62 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: Are they gonna take our phones? Did you when you 63 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: see these all these people getting their phone sees, does 64 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: any part of you think maybe my phone's gonna get 65 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: There's gonna be some FBI agent show up at one 66 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: of our doors and take our phone. Well, probably not, 67 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,839 Speaker 1: but hopefully. I mean, now you've gotten a little freaked out. 68 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: I don't know where. I don't know where it stops. 69 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: I mean maybe because we're in the media, there would 70 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: be less likelihood to have a phone taken. But would 71 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: it stun you? You know, if Sean Hannity or Tucker 72 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: or I mean Frank, anybody who texted Trump or anyone 73 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: in Trump's inner circle leading up to and on January sixth, 74 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: anyone could well have their phone taken. Right now, now, 75 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: I wasn't in contact with the White House directly post election. 76 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think about this. I don't I don't 77 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: think I was post election pre January six But any 78 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: person who talked to or had a text exchange with Trump, 79 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: Don Junior, Mark Meadows, you know, go down the list 80 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: of people in that White House or around that White 81 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: House in the orbit of it, they could well have 82 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: their their phones taken. Well, we'll bring you, Mike explained 83 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: to himself. He put out a video on it yesterday. 84 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: We'll bring that to you coming up here in a moment. 85 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: But it was a bit surreal, Clay, you tied this 86 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: up yesterday that we looked at the CPI numbers. We say, 87 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: hold on a second, they're really gonna throw a victory 88 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: party at the White House when you have the Dow 89 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: having one of its worst top ten word stays. Ever, 90 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: everyone who understands get into this in a second. The 91 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: recession is coming, folks. I mean, yes, you won't find 92 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: anybody already in a recession. But yeah, but the pain 93 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: don't exists. They're delaying the pain as much as they 94 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: can deal after the election. I mean here is even 95 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: here at CNN because they had this moment of cognitive 96 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: dissonance where Alison Camarata is talking about the Trump speech, 97 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, the Biden speech, and on the stage, or 98 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: rather on the screen, they had the stock market plummeting 99 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: simultaneously with Biden saying not a joke, folks, everything's awesome. 100 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: So like, thank there Republicans who stood up. Okay, you're 101 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: listening there to President Biden at the White House. He's 102 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: celebrating the passage of the Inflation and Reduction Act. He 103 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: says that he's been fighting big Parma for decades. But 104 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: there is this unfortunate split screen right now with the 105 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 1: Dow taking a total beating down more than twelve hundred points, 106 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: and so it feels like it's hard to be celebratory 107 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: for some people in the crowd. Yeah, hard to be 108 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: on which the White House celebrates the Inflation Reduction Act 109 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: when we get a new report that shows that inflation 110 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: is still especially high, and what we're seeing on Wall 111 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: Street is a reaction to that, anticipating what's coming from 112 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: the Fed, the decision that will come on whether to 113 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: increase or likely they will increase, but by how much 114 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: the interest rates. So just the split screen is between 115 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: reality and propaganda. Clay, That's actually what CNN had to 116 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: notice there, because the numbers don't lie. When I saw 117 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: this morning yesterday morning, I was reading, you know, I 118 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: start off, I read the New York Times, Washington Post, 119 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal, I read the Axios morning I 120 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: think was where I saw this. They have a Good 121 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: Morning Emails sort of distillation that I subscribe to. And 122 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: I every now and then my jaw drops just when 123 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: I see something that is so dumb. I can't believe 124 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: that it's possible. I saw that they were celebrating the 125 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: Inflation Reduction Act on the day that the inflation numbers 126 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: were coming out, and this was early in the morning 127 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,799 Speaker 1: before they were released, I think at eight thirty am Eastern, 128 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: and I thought to myself, this seems like a really 129 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: bad idea. And Buck, they get tipped off the night 130 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: before in the White House to what the numbers are 131 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: gonna be like, I don't know how many people get 132 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: to see those numbers. So they knew as they were 133 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: preparing that sitting out the chairs getting James was a 134 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: James Taylor that they had show up and sing a Rando, 135 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: another rich communist. Yes, but as Steve Doocy pointed out 136 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: this morning when I was on Fox and Friends with him, 137 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: the song is actually about suicide and drug addiction, so 138 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: that he was singing an odd choice for a celebratory event. Anyway, 139 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: And I just I we know Biden is incognitive decline, Buck, 140 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: but every single adviser to Biden who signed off on 141 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: this idea should be iared because they are too dumb 142 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: to be advising any president. I don't think we can 143 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: even put this on Biden. Somebody pitched him the idea 144 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: and they did this, and they're too dumb to even 145 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: be allowed to be employed in the White House. In 146 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: my opinion. I would also note, have we ever had 147 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: a president before? There are a lot of things, A 148 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: lot of address is given outside. I know this seems small, 149 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: but I actually don't think it's small. This wearing of 150 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: massive sunglasses during public appearances. You think, have you ever 151 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,479 Speaker 1: seen a president before give a public address with sunglasses 152 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: on like this? I mean, I don't know, maybe when 153 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: George w went to Baghdad or something, but generally they're 154 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: doing it so you can't really see his eyes and 155 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: his face, and so you can't see that his eyes 156 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: are glued to the prompter he's reading off it. It's 157 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: a high wire act. He could fall off at any moment. 158 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: This is meant to hide the cognitive decline. I don't 159 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 1: think it's a minor thing. The optics of this really matter, 160 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: and they need to think of the optics and the 161 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: theatricality of all of this. When you had we had 162 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: seen m before, I mean, Neil cavudo with a bit 163 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: of a Neil is a very very even keeled, very 164 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: reasonable guy. Had to give a bit of a roundhouse 165 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: kick here from reality Ville. Based on the numbers that 166 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: came out yesterday, Big farmer block metacare from negotiating lower 167 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: drug practices. All right, I do not want to be 168 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: a party crasher, but we interrupt this celebration for a 169 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: hard cold dose of reality. Stocks tanking because inflation is accelerating, 170 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: the very inflation that the President says he's made great 171 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: progress addressing Fox on top of a sell off the 172 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: likes of which we've not seen in quite some time. 173 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: In percentage terms, the roughly four percent hit in the 174 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: Dow is the worst we've seen in two years. Ditto 175 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: the SMP five hundred and again the NASDAC all hit 176 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: and hit hard because inflation remains stuck and no one 177 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: can get it under control. That's a cavudo flying elbow. 178 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: Let's be honest. He's throwing one there, but you're setting 179 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: yourself up. I agree with you on the sunglasses. They're 180 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: making an optical choice that he looks less old and 181 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: dementia ridden if they cover up a huge percentage of 182 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: his face. With those shades. They made a calculated decision 183 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,719 Speaker 1: Buck to do this on this day, and to do 184 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: it at a time when the stock market is still 185 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: up on the screen, right. So, I mean they could 186 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: have done if they want to do this stupid Inflation 187 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: Reduction Acts celebration, they could have done it at like 188 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: five or six o'clock in the evening. It's still daylight. 189 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: They could still be outside in Washington, they could still 190 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: beat you know, the evening news or whatever. They did 191 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: it right as the stock market was closing. And to me, 192 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: it's a different level of incompetence because in their planning, 193 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: I really think I think they expected for the inflation 194 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: numbers to come down substantially, for the storyline to be 195 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: worre kicking and flation's ass and look at how the 196 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 1: stock market is roaring back in response favorably to what 197 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: we're doing. Instead, it was the exact opposite. And I 198 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: just come back to this again and again. Why are 199 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: Republicans starting to have more success because Joe Biden talks more. 200 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: I don't think it's a coincidence that when Joe Biden 201 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: went on in the month long vacation basically and got 202 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: COVID and he was in South Carolina, and he was 203 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: in Delaware, and they hit him. His approval ratings tick up. 204 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: But when you actually watch this guy speak and when 205 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: he tries to make the case for anything, the overall 206 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: amount of American public who looks at him and thinks 207 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: this is a guy I'm happy to have in charge 208 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: of the country is not very substantial. And so Republicans 209 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: win the more Biden talks, and you know, hopefully we 210 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: win the more we talk too, we come back. Biden 211 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: couldn't even say, the United States of America, have you 212 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: heard this audio yet? Buck? If you haven't, you're gonna 213 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: just kind sit here and say, how have we gotten 214 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: to the point where not only is this guy president, 215 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: but he's also trying to get the momentum to be 216 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: able to say, we talked about it yesterday with Joe Biden, 217 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: that he's going to run again in twenty four. Come on, man, 218 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: not a joke. Not a joke. 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I even think, Buck, 241 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 1: do you feel like all of the Mara Lago noise 242 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: is fading, by which I mean there seems to be 243 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: a desperate attempt with the constant leaks, the oh they 244 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 1: got new subpoenas, Oh, the drumbeato, the circle is tightening 245 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: on Trump, all these things, but that most Republicans are 246 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: of the awareness now that this is being used to 247 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: try to distract from all of Joe Biden's failures, and 248 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 1: so we're gonna play this Michaelendel clip here in a 249 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: minute about his phone getting taken. But I feel as 250 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: if most recognized that this is a distraction and the 251 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: attempt is to put Trump on the ballot, and I 252 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: don't think most Republicans are falling for it in the 253 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: same way. Does that make sense? It feels like everybody's 254 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: rallying around the fact that Biden's a disaster and we 255 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: can talk about Trump in twenty three as that plays out. Yes. Also, 256 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: it's a very it's a very clear cut situation now 257 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: that the whole thing is about documents, right, so we 258 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: know what the story is right now. It's about they 259 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: claim that he had possession of classified outside of a 260 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: proper facility. They're throwing some obstruction in there. But everyone 261 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: know the obstruction thing is just this is like throwing 262 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: in a conspiracy charge where you don't have some nobody 263 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: on the real stuff. So you're like, well, they tried 264 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: to think about doing me a legal thing that we 265 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: can't prove. So there's a limit here to how much 266 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: mileage I think they can get out of the story 267 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: as it currently stands. There could be more leaks, there 268 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: could be some connect I'm waiting for them to unveil 269 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: for a big media fusillade of this is actually about 270 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: January six at some level, right trying to break because 271 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: the January six earrings in June that just collapsed. I 272 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: mean that went down like a lead balloon. Nobody cared, 273 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: nobody remembers. You know, Adam Shift going, it's about our democracy. Yeah, whatever, Adam. 274 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: But here with this situation, this story, Clay were kind 275 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: of at the already bring charges or don't point of this. 276 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that they won't bring charges. I'm 277 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: just saying to keep talking about it at some point. 278 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: This isn't like the Russia collusion conspiracy with oh, we 279 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: have to find all the boxes documents. You say, he's 280 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: got him you say he shouldn't have had them, you're 281 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: gonna charge him or not only that you talked about 282 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: January sixth, they're bringing back more January six hearings at 283 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: some point before the election. Initially, their full report whatever, 284 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: for whatever value it's going to have, was going to 285 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: come out in September around this time. Now they're talking 286 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: about trying to have late September early October more hearings. 287 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: And you're going to have Liz Cheney, who's been trounced 288 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: and has no real claim on a seat anymore, certainly 289 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: after November already lost her primary, sitting up there trying 290 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: to take the case to Trump, and I just think 291 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: it's all landing very flat, and the total disconnect, the 292 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: tone deaf quality of that celebration yesterday at the White House. 293 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: Biden has made himself back as the central story of 294 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: the mid terms as well it should be, because the 295 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: midterms on any president or a referendum on how well 296 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: he's done an office so far. And all of this now, 297 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: michae Lindale got his phone stolen fed a hearties, which 298 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: is utterly ridiculous. Stolen makes it sound like somebody's stuck 299 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,959 Speaker 1: in there. You know you said it was the FBI. Frankly, yeah, 300 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a surprise if he got his phone stolen, 301 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: because everything's getting stolen left and right all over this 302 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: country because scribes out of control. But yes, the FBI 303 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: seized his phone. Here he is telling that story the FBI. 304 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 1: You're gonna hear this, and you're probably already hearing in 305 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: the news. The FBI came after me and took my 306 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: phone and surrounded me at the Hearties and took my phone. 307 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: And I run all my business everything with um um. 308 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: They could have just do what we've done is weaponize. 309 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: The FBI is discussing, I don't have a computer. Everything 310 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 1: I do have that phone. Everything was on there and hum, 311 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: and they told me not to tell anybody because in 312 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: order not to don't tell anybody, Okay, I I him. 313 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: He definitely is telling people. So there's that thing. It's 314 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: probably good for Mike's business, honestly to have his phone sees. 315 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: Don't you feel like on some level people are way 316 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: more likely who support my pillow to support him today 317 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: than they were yesterday. Even well, there's always this rallying 318 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: effect that it occur, happens with Trump and Marlago. It's happening. 319 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: I believe it will happen with Mike. And it's not 320 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: just this. They've gone after Mike so many times in 321 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: the past, trying to get him, trying to get his 322 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: company kicked out of big box stores. And there there's 323 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: a persecution of Mike because his businesses and obviously we 324 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sitting here in the my slippers right now, 325 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: and he's been a sponsor of mine for many years. 326 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: He's a sponsor of this show. They always want to 327 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: find a way to go after the economic lifeblood of 328 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: conservative media. So Mike has been a target for that 329 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: reason now for years. Because when people say, oh, this 330 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: person said something and then you've got to cancel him, 331 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: Mike's like, no, that's not sorry. The Constitution is not 332 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 1: something that should get you booted. Questioning elections is not 333 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: something that should ruin somebody's life or have the state 334 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: come down on them. But I do think that there'll 335 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: be people that view this well, they see what this is, 336 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: which is at a minimum, it's intimidation. At a minimum. 337 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: It's meant to tell people you better stay in line, 338 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: or else we could take your phone. Because yeah, Mike 339 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: he's a very very successful guy. He's a fighter. He'll 340 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: handle this, and we've obviously got his back. But it 341 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: tells a lot of other people, other businesses, other high 342 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: profile donors to Republican causes, etc. You better watch yourself 343 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: or else we may show up and just take your phone, 344 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: and who knows what we're going to find in there. Yeah, 345 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: most people don't want their phone to be out of 346 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: their own possession, period, because this is actually turned into 347 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: buck a monster story in terms of search and seizure, 348 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: in terms of how the Fourth Amendment applies, because there 349 00:19:55,880 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: isn't really a historical analogy to the phone, because from 350 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: most of American history you couldn't carry around your entire 351 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: life in your pocket, right, So you can get tax returns, 352 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: you can get medical information, you can get every possible 353 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: bank account. Like the phone itself is basically an entry 354 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: way now into every single person's entire life in a 355 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: way that historically didn't exist. I mean, imagine this if 356 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: you if you had the f if the FBI was 357 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: going to spend an hour rummaging through your home or 358 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: an hour going through everything. Let's say they got they 359 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: got the passwords, they can go through everything on your phone, 360 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: which one which one would feel more intrusive. I mean, 361 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: I they can look at my apartment all day, they'll 362 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 1: find some old gluten free muffins. And you know, it's 363 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: a good point. I think most people would say, especially 364 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: around our age or younger, that the phone is more 365 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: private than even the home would be. Yes, I think 366 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: I think the phone contains a lot more than you 367 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 1: would find by searching through someone's home. I mean, you know, 368 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: the FBI can look through my sock drower all day, 369 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: It's not very interesting. But when they can look at 370 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: every text you've sent, you know, to your wife, to 371 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: family members, you know, everything else, it's intrusive. Even if 372 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: you have nothing to hide, it's intrusive. Yeah, and beyond that, 373 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 1: even pictures, like almost all my pictures now are on 374 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: my phone. It used to be they're all on the wall, right, Like, 375 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: I don't remember the last time that I got a 376 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: picture printed off that I had taken. Not that I 377 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: sit around taking that many photos, but it's kind of 378 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: take a moment to think, under what possible rationale are 379 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: they taking Mike Lindell's phone. This, I think all ties 380 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: to this, this abpoenas they've sent out are around people 381 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: that were part of the alternate elector's scheme, and you've 382 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: been seeing some new stories about this, which is essentially 383 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: a way of saying, if you try to use the 384 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: system to bring about a different outcome than what happened 385 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: with Joe Biden's ascension and the election, that's a crime. 386 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 1: That's not a crime. I mean, they really are criminalizing 387 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: political differences here. If you think that a judge could 388 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: order a different slate, If a judge orders it, it's 389 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: within the system, right. So there's this effort, I think, 390 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: very clearly to criminalize political differences, and that's at the 391 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: heart of the seizure of his and dozens of other 392 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: people's phones and records. That's a good point because what 393 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: they're also trying to do is criminalize legal arguments. Yes, 394 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: there are all sorts of legal arguments that can be 395 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: made and are made by lawyers on a day to 396 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: day basis. Some of them have more validity in the 397 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: law than others, but there's a wide expanse of what 398 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: legal arguments can be made, which is what's always troubled 399 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: me about this in general. Yes, it may have been 400 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: an aggressive position to take about what the authority was 401 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 1: in the States and surrounding the electors and everything else 402 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: associated with it, but it wasn't. It is a legal position. 403 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: Democrats are arguing as a legal matter that a baby 404 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: in the ninth month of a pregnancy can be murdered 405 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 1: and has no personhood. I think that's psychopathic, but they're 406 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: arguing it right to make the I'm not going to 407 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: lock them up for making the argument. They'll how to 408 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: make the argument legally. If the law gets passed and 409 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 1: they violate it, well then they deal with the consequences. 410 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: But it's exactly what you're saying, Clay. They're actually criminalizing 411 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: argument within the political and legal process, which makes sense 412 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 1: given what they did with COVID and everything else too. 413 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: They don't want to hear the alternative point of view. 414 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: They want men with guns to show up and arrescue 415 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 1: for saying it. And they want men to be able 416 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: to get pregnant. And they're going after Marco Rubio. I'm 417 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: sure you saw this in Florida for saying men can't 418 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: get pregnant, as if somehow that's going to help his 419 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 1: political opponent. 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You get one month free 438 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: when you switch to our wireless company, pure Talk. Pure 439 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: Talk is simply smarter wireless. Welcome back in Clay, Travis 440 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate everybody hanging out with us. As 441 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: we roll through the Wednesday edition of the program, we 442 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: are joined now by the Vek Ramaswamy, Founder executive chairman 443 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: of Strive, author of a new book, Nation of Victims, 444 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: which was released yesterday, and I love the concept. I 445 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: have not yet read the book. I read Woke Ink 446 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: and really enjoyed it. So, Vavek, how do we cure 447 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: our national victimization culture? What has to happen? Yeah, great question. 448 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: And in anyways, this book is the sequel to Woke Ink, 449 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 1: because you know, Woke Ink was about how corporate America's 450 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: exploiting these victimhood and identity narratives and using it to 451 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: make an extra buck. But it does take two to tango. 452 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, a base of consumers, 453 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 1: an entire generation of American are vulnerable to exploitation because 454 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 1: they buy into those same narratives themselves. And so what 455 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,719 Speaker 1: I do in the book is I trace what's at 456 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: the heart of our victimhood cancer today. But your question 457 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: is what do we do about it? Which is the 458 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 1: right question. The case I make is we need to 459 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: refill our national identity with the shared pursuit of excellence. 460 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 1: It is why my parents came to this country. It 461 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: is why many immigrants come to this country through the 462 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: front door. It used to be what it meant to 463 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 1: be American, to be able to pursue excellence, to be 464 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: able to do it unapologetically. And that's the national culture 465 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: we're going to have to revive in our institutions, from 466 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: schools to corporate America, to our economy to our politics. 467 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: You know, it takes a book to explain how to 468 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: do that, but that's what this is about, Vivac. Are 469 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: you seeing it's buck and thanks for joining us. Are 470 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: you seeing any indications that backlash against wokeness may play 471 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: a meaningful role in the upcoming elections, because I mean, 472 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: I still remember back to last year's election cycle where 473 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: that the indoctrination of children in schools in particular was 474 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 1: a major issue in the Virginia gubernatorial race that led 475 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: to Junkins at the time seemingly shocking win, but in 476 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: retrospect makes a lot of sense. Is this going to 477 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: play a major role or do you think that's something 478 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: that we need to focus more on. Well, so, I 479 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: think it's playing a major role already in shaping our culture, 480 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: including the backlash as you put it's changing our culture 481 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 1: for the better. I'm seeing some of the positive effects 482 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: in corporate America. Frankly, I'm working on some of those. 483 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: When it comes to the election, though, I think there's 484 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: a lot of confounding variables this year. You know, I 485 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: think that the dialogue turning back at Trump, the abortion 486 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: related debate, I think there are a lot of confounding 487 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: factors that could affect the electoral outcome this fall. I 488 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: personally think though those are still distraction from the longer 489 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 1: term issues in our culture. That wokeness goes to the 490 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: heart of the marriage between wokeness and capitalism and then 491 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: the victimhood culture that that then further perpetuates. I'm biased 492 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: to say it matters because these are the topics I'm 493 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 1: writing about and most focused on. But I'm actually writing 494 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: about them and most focused on them because I think 495 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: they are the most important topics for our culture that 496 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: our politics should also care about. And I think conservative 497 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: will be more successful if they're able to lead the 498 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: way in this conversation. So on the election, you know 499 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: that there's a lot of variables that may have gotten 500 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: in the way in recent months that may or may 501 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: not make that a focal point for electoral backlash. But 502 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: in corporate America, I mean, you take a company like Netflix, 503 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: which has done a complete one eighty in the last year. 504 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: You know, they took disastrous earnings in the first or 505 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: second quarter of this year for them to be able 506 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: to wake up and say, you know what, We're going 507 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: to add excellence to our cultural document. We're going to 508 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: tell our employees that now, if you don't want to 509 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: work on a project that you find offensive, then you 510 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: can show yourself the door. This is a company in 511 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: the heart of Hollywood. They did a complete one eighty, 512 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: and I've been very critical of that company in the past, 513 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: But to see a company like Netflix turn it around 514 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: leaves me optimistic for our culture and in our economy 515 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: and in the private sector, including through changes that we 516 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: can drive through shareholder power, which I'm working on as well. 517 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: But that's where I'm frankly more optimistic than in our politics. 518 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: But fact one area that certainly has to be addressed 519 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: is we fetishize victimhood, by which I mean you're around 520 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: my age. I think Bucks around my age. Although he 521 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: likes to pretend that he's forty years younger, he's millennial. 522 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: I'm Generation X the last year of it. But when 523 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: I was a kid growing up, nobody ever wanted to 524 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: be a victim. The idea of being a victim was 525 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: something that you were taught not to aspire to. I 526 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: look at this story. I don't know how much attention 527 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: you paid to it or saw, but the Duke volleyball 528 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: player who is on the court, obviously very talented volleyball player, 529 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: if she's on scholarship at Duke, she it appears just 530 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: made up the fact that someone was yelling racial slurs 531 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: at her because there's zero evidence that it actually happened. 532 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: Why would she do that? Because we've created an incentive 533 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: structure through social media where everybody says, oh, that's I'm 534 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: so sorry for you, I feel so bad for you 535 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: that someone would say something mean to you, and actually 536 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: her over all profile grows by being a victim. How 537 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: much has social media changed the dynamic of someone wants 538 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: to be a victim. If being a victim is a 539 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: good thing to happen to you, we're getting it wrong 540 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: as a society. I don't want anybody to be a 541 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: victim of anything, absolutely so, so social media definitely amplifies 542 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: it and believe that you're going to find you know 543 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: few bigger critics of modern social media and its effects 544 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: on society than me. But this is one that I 545 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: wouldn't place the causal blame at the foot of social media. 546 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: I put it the foot of incumbency. I mean, we 547 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: as a generation have not encountered major hardship, either individually 548 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: or as a people. And the basic arc of the 549 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: book is I basically tell the tale of how incumbency 550 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:43,479 Speaker 1: breeds victimhood. Victimhood then breeds national decline. National decline then 551 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: gives us an opportunity to either rediscover the fact that 552 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: we're underdogs, not victims, or to remain victims and end 553 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: up in permanent national decline. So it's kind of the 554 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: journey from Michael Jordan to Simone Biles. One would have 555 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: been Time Magazine of the Athlete of the Year thirty 556 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: years ago, the other one's Time Magazine Athlete of the 557 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: Year today, winning unapologetically, unabashedly and overcoming hardship, being cut 558 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: from the high school team, stories that he still told 559 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: himself to motivate himself. That was the Michael Jordan model 560 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: of the athlete in the nineteen nineties. You got the 561 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: Simone Biles model of the athlete. I'm not critical of 562 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: her personally, but I'm talking about a culture that venerates 563 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: vulnerability in deceit over winning on apologetically. Whether that's in sports, 564 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: in business, in the arts, or in our culture. That's 565 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: really the moment that we live in. You talked about 566 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: the word incentive structures. Absolutely, we've created an incentive structure 567 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: that rewards victimhood. Victimod is like a currency, it's trading 568 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: at an all time high. Like all bubbles, this cultural 569 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: bubble will burst, but people are doing the rational thing. 570 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: They're cashing in when there's a bubble in a currency. 571 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: What do you do. You're cash in when it's trading 572 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: at a high before it bursts. That's what people are doing. 573 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: And I go through the tale of Justis Smollette, who 574 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: very similar similarly to to the woman in the Duke 575 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: Byu incident, you know, really just made it up to 576 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: such an extreme degree that it constituted a form of 577 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: criminal fraud. I hate crime home and the same the 578 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: response that I know you're you know, in the general 579 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: population you're supposed to give is that that's such a 580 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: conservative talking point. That's just one example. But one of 581 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: the things I trace in this book is actually the 582 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: countless examples of hate crime, fakes of hate crime, hoaxes 583 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: of victimhood narrative hoaxes of people who claimed to be 584 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: racist that they weren't actually in order to get ten 585 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: years or in order to even get into a college. 586 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: There were so many examples. My publisher made me actually 587 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: distill it to a fraction of the total examples that 588 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: were in the original text. But but what does that say? 589 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: The point isn't the you know, the point of this 590 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: isn't a point the finger to any one individual Smilette 591 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: or you know, the girl and the BYU incident in 592 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: more recent weeks. But instid take a step back and 593 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: say that this is not a set of one off 594 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,479 Speaker 1: incidents anymore. This is an epidemic. It is a pattern. 595 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: And what is it about our national psyche that accounts 596 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: for this just being a symptom of a deeper victimhood culture? 597 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: And I argue in the book it's the product of incumbency. Look, 598 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: I am a millennial. You're you're at the end of 599 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: Gen X, you know Bucks and millennial millennials and Gen Z. 600 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: We're on receiving end of the largest intergenerational wealth transfer 601 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: in human history. That creates a psychological need for victimhood 602 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: to justify that which you're on the receiving end of getting. 603 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of factors that contribute to this, 604 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: and so I trace a lot of that. Some of 605 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: this is, you know, we see this pattern throughout history. 606 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: There were points in post Civil war history, reconstruction history, 607 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: in American history where we actually saw these victimhood narratives 608 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: crop up, the nation found its fortitude and revived from them. 609 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: Even saw through a lot of Roman history, and I 610 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: trace a lot of Roman history in this book too. 611 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: And the encouraging part about the tour through history is 612 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: I'll say this is, you know, we tell ourselves that 613 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: there was a great rise and fall of Rome. One 614 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: of the things I discovered that I would rediscovered through 615 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: the research of this book is that there was no 616 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: one rise or fall of Rome. And the good news is, 617 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: I think there doesn't need to be one rise in 618 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: one fall of the American experiment as well. I think 619 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: the popular thing to say today is the decline of 620 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: the American experiment is like the fall of Rome. I'm 621 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: not so convinced, and I think that there have been 622 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: many rises in many declines of the American experiment as well. 623 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: Might be at a natter. 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That's legacybox dot com, slash buck, 655 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: close them up shop here today on the Clay, Travis 656 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton Show. If you missed any part of 657 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 1: the show, please go back and subscribe to the Clay 658 00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: and Bucked podcast. And obviously a lot of important topics Disgusted, 659 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed our conversation with our friend Vivek Ramaswami 660 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: about the Nation of Victims. That's the tunnel of his 661 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 1: new book, and really had a great talk there. He's 662 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: very up on big tech and big tech censorship, which 663 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 1: is essential. We're going into a mid term election here 664 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: where technology is obviously going to play a very big 665 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: role in the outcome. We don't often think of it 666 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 1: that way, but it absolutely will. Senator Ron Johnson, who 667 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: was was he all with us yesterday? Plays that were 668 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: they yes yesterday? Yeah? Yeah, yesterday. Here he is saying 669 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 1: or talking about some of the big tech issues out there. 670 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: So Twitter is actually very effective. When they blocked the 671 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: New York Post articles on the Hunter by a laptop. 672 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: We had Jack Dorsey in front of the Commerce Committee 673 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: back in I think October twenty twenty, and both Santa 674 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: Cruz and I and myself asked him because we were 675 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: talking about, you know, Russians using the platforms to impact 676 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 1: our elections. Everybody that could happen. We asked, mister Dorsey, 677 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:07,359 Speaker 1: do you believe Twitter could impact the election? Mister Doris 678 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: said no, do you believe Twitter has a capability of 679 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: impacting the election? I think all these social platforms are. 680 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: They're so massive, it's hard to believe that they're not impacting. 681 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: Mister Bowen, do you believe that as well? These platforms 682 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: absolutely have influence and mister Kane absolutely. Okay, so there's 683 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: a problem right there, massive influence on the election, They 684 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: change the outcome of the election, and they are effectively 685 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: making in kind donations to Democrats on a regular basis 686 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: by what they allow to be discussed who they kick off. 687 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 1: Let's keep in mind the former president Donald Trump is 688 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 1: still banned from Twitter and Facebook still banned. Think about 689 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,479 Speaker 1: how that would change a lot of the discussion around 690 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 1: maral Lago if he was able to be on either 691 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: of those platforms right now. So we're having an election 692 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: where we do not have a free and fair information 693 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: operation space. No, and the significance of all of this 694 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: to me from a historic perspective, sometimes you have to 695 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: take a step back and think about, Okay, how is 696 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 1: twenty twenty going to be written about in twenty forty 697 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,399 Speaker 1: and in twenty sixty And I think a huge part 698 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 1: of it is going to have to be written based 699 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,800 Speaker 1: on the rig job, the collusion between big tech and 700 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: their allies and the Democrat Party to get Joe Biden 701 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: elected no matter what. And as the twenty twenty election fades, 702 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: And I'm talking about historically because as much as twenty 703 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,439 Speaker 1: twenty matters here two years later in twenty forty, it's 704 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: unlikely to still be as a polarizing of a topic. 705 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 1: Certainly by twenty sixty and twenty eighty it'll be much 706 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: less so as the historical record kind of puts in 707 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: the larger text and Buck, I wish I could go 708 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,320 Speaker 1: back this is as a history nerd and kind of 709 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,240 Speaker 1: parachute into twenty one forty and read what they're writing 710 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: about twenty twenty over one hundred years from now, the 711 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 1: same way you can read about the Civil War or 712 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: the Revolutionary War in the context hundreds of years or 713 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: one hundred year or more after they actually happen. Because 714 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,840 Speaker 1: that historiography is so fascinating, I think people like you 715 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: and I are going to end up having been on 716 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,239 Speaker 1: the right side of history. But we're all going to 717 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: be so long gone it won't matter in terms of 718 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: in terms of the historical validation one way or the other. 719 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,800 Speaker 1: And I'm also seeing stories we haven't talked about this 720 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 1: in a while, that it looks likely based on the 721 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 1: stock price and where the hedge funds that are involved 722 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: in this or putting their money, that Elon Musk is 723 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 1: probably going to end up in this forced corporate marriage 724 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 1: situation acquisition. To put in my on the quorum, I 725 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: think ninety eight percent of Twitter shareholders voted after all 726 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: the battle. It's kind of funny ultimately everybody votes their 727 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: economic interest. You know, you had all these left wingers saying, oh, 728 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 1: this is unacceptable if Elon Musk ever buys Twitter, and 729 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,399 Speaker 1: Twitter fought against it, and then he bid fifty four 730 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 1: dollars and nobody else bid close to it, and now 731 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 1: Twitter suing to try to enforce his purchase agreement, even 732 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 1: though they originally were like, oh, there's no way we'll 733 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: ever let this infidel buy the company. And that trial 734 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: is going to start on October seventeenth next month in 735 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,439 Speaker 1: Delaware Chancery Court to determine whether or not Elon Musk 736 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,359 Speaker 1: is required to buy the forty four billion dollar pay 737 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 1: the forty four billion dollar purchase price, and take control 738 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,719 Speaker 1: of Twitter's free and fair an open Twitter platform. Will 739 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: be very interesting. But what I want to see more 740 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 1: than anything else, quad honestly is what's been done up 741 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 1: to this point, What games have been played with the algorithm? 742 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,720 Speaker 1: In what ways have they steered elections an election outcomes. 743 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: Let's be very clear about this, everybody, one hundred thousand 744 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,839 Speaker 1: dollars spent by Russian bots and troll farmers was supposedly 745 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 1: influential the twenty sixteen election. What about Facebook, the entity 746 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: just deciding what stories you see and don't see? What 747 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,720 Speaker 1: about Twitter suppressing and shadow banning some of the biggest 748 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,840 Speaker 1: figures in conservative politics. I mean, forty one percent of 749 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 1: the American public. As we discussed yesterday, Buck still believes 750 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 1: the Joe Biden, sorry, the Hunter Biden laptop, which implicates 751 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 1: Joe Biden in some of his business dealings, is Russian disinformation. 752 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,360 Speaker 1: Four out of every ten people, including half of Democrats, 753 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 1: forty seven percent of Independence twenty three percent I believe 754 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: it is, or twenty seven percent of Republicans. How much 755 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,440 Speaker 1: did that impact the election? A massive amount. If the 756 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden laptop had been covered, honestly, Donald Trump would 757 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,279 Speaker 1: have won the twenty twenty election. I don't think there's 758 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 1: any doubt at all gonna be following up on this 759 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 1: and everything else that matters, folks, tomorrow. Thanks for rolling 760 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 1: with us here on Clay and Buck. Make sure you 761 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 1: give us a review on that podcast if you can, 762 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 1: and we're back with you tomorrow Play Travis and Buck 763 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,760 Speaker 1: Sexton on the front Lines of Truth.