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Thank you so much for subscribing. 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:50.280 It means the world to me, the best selling author 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:52.960 on the most the number one health and wellness. 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:54.360 Podcast and Purpose with Jay Shetty. 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:59.200 Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the number one 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:01.720 health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:04.279 one of you that come back every week to listen, 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:06.760 learn and grow. Now, one of my favorite things about 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:08.760 this platform is I get to sit down with friends 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:13.240 who are change makers, incredible influencers doing amazing things in 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:15.359 the world. But I have this behind the scenes friendship 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:16.680 with them, and I get to hang with them. I 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:19.760 get to invite you all into a genuine, truthful conversation, 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:23.080 a sincere conversation that we probably have had at dinners 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:25.040 and when we're hanging out, but then we get to 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:26.680 record it and share it with all of you. And 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:28.880 today's guest is someone that I was a fan of 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.320 ever since I was in my teens. I remember when 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.560 his first song that I discovered him through dropped and 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.360 it literally felt like it changed culture for me and 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:40.600 my friends, and we knew what we wanted to play, 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:42.720 we knew what we wanted to listen to. We were 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:44.920 sharing it with all our friends. And to watch his 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:48.000 career from Afar rise in the way that it did 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:50.280 and the changes that he's made, the moves that he's made, 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:56.000 was phenomenal for little Jay aged fourteen and beyond there. 0:02:56.200 --> 0:03:00.400 I'm speaking about British Indian singer songwriter Jay Sean, who 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:03.440 emerged in the American pop music scene a decade ago 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:07.040 with his Billboard Hot one hundred number one single Down 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:10.280 the Pop Music Titan changed the game stateside for both 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:14.240 Asian and UK acts alike, hitting historical strides and breaking 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:17.560 down multiple doors as a solo artist, Jay was the 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.960 first Asian artist in history to have a Billboard number 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:23.800 one in America. He was also the first Asian and 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:28.280 first British artist to have two simultaneous top ten Billboard singles. 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:31.040 Jay's also the first British and first Asian artist to 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:34.480 have a Spanish language number one in America. Welcome to 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:37.920 the show, my good friend and amazing human, Jay Sean. 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:41.960 Bro. Wow, thank you beautiful introduction. 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:44.160 I mean it, dude, I love that. It great to 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:45.960 be here. Brother. It's so good to have you here, man. 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:49.680 And obviously I got I met you. So for everyone 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:51.960 who doesn't know, and you probably don't know this, I 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:54.720 met Jay the first week I moved. When I say Jay, also, 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:57.200 I'm now talking about Jay Sean, not referring to myself. 0:03:57.480 --> 0:03:59.520 The first time I met you was the first week 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.880 I moved to La Wow, because I met Jeremy, who's 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:05.160 you've been working with for a long time. I love you, Jeremy. Yeah, 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:09.360 And Jeremy introduced you to us, and this was in 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:14.040 twenty eighteen, and I loved how genuine you were, how 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:16.000 down to earth you were, like it was so easy 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:16.560 to chat to you. 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:17.120 Thank you, Bro. 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.520 We hit it off right away and I wish you 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:21.200 lived in La Still so we can hang out. 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:23.960 I know, Bro, I know we keep talking about that, right, 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:26.800 but now it is. It's so lovely to be here 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:29.000 with you, Bro. So proud of you and what you've done, 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:30.919 you know what I mean. I know that you have 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:34.200 guests on and it's about them, but you know what 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:37.880 you've been doing. I've been watching everything. It's amazing. Makes 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:39.920 me proud. And you know, obviously we're both from England, 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:42.520 you know, both from what part of London? 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:44.159 Were you from the north? Okay? 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:47.159 So I was West London obviously, Houndslow, Southfield. Of course 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:51.039 first standard as ciches against for any Indian. But you 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:54.839 know it's not easy, right having these lofty dreams, you know, 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:58.400 and then being here in La which is literally the 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.560 land of dreams and broken dreams. Let's be honest about that. 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:03.839 There's people who have goals, but there's also broken dreams. 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.320 So to be able to, you know, do what you're 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:09.400 doing and what I'm doing is it's really beautiful. So yeah, 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:10.240 thank you for having me, man. 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:13.640 Yeah, man, let's let's let's start there because I think 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:16.520 I find it really interesting. At one point in my life, 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:18.920 I think I had big dreams when I was a teenager, 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:22.560 but I never actually believed the dreams could be real 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:26.840 because I didn't have role models people I could see 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.880 doing those things. Did you always have big dreams in 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.440 a belief that your life could go down that way? 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:32.960 You know? 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:33.560 Bro? 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:35.800 The one thing about me ever since I was a kid, 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:40.080 I always wanted to a work my hardest, try my hardest, 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:46.040 and apply myself. I've been a very driven person ever 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:48.160 since I was a kid, and I think really and 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:49.839 so is my brother. I have one brother in the roup, 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.160 and I think both of us have that we share 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.880 that same quality. We're very, very highly driven people. Now 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:59.120 that comes solely from my parents, it really does. My 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:02.360 dad is a big, big dreamer, big dreamer, bro. And 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:04.600 I only found out recently, like when I started going 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.080 into music and my brother went into film, that these 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:09.320 were also my dad's dreams, but they were hidden my 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.640 dad always you know, my dad used to write poetry 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:13.840 and nobody ever knew it, but he ended up being 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:17.400 a businessman and a very successful businessman. But seeing my 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:21.400 dad's drive and my mom is super hard working as well, 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:25.600 we were always inspired by that, like wow, like how 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:27.560 did dad do this? He had three factories they used 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:30.279 to manufacture denim. They were like, you know, Top top 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:32.080 Man and River Island, all these places they used to 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:34.360 make all the jeens and it came from nothing, came 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:37.160 from just a vision. So that was them. But then 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:40.640 also they put us into a private school. Now private 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:42.720 school in England, as you know, it costs a lot 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:45.359 of money. Now I could have gone to a school 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:48.919 in the area that I lived in, Hounslow, but it 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:51.640 wasn't the most affluent area time. It wasn't the best 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:54.040 school system at the time. So my parents wanted to 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.720 be able to put us into an education system where 0:06:56.720 --> 0:07:00.479 they felt like we could excel, and so they did. 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.440 But that was a sacrifice. They didn't get to go 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:07.520 on holidays every summer and go to Barbados, and that 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:11.000 money they invested into me and my brother, and I 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:14.800 think because I saw that sacrifice, we always wanted to 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.080 work hard, so you know, we knew what they were 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:21.360 doing was for us. But the school that we went 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:24.520 to was I think and Latimer Upper School. I'll have 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:27.200 to shout them out, because an incredible school because not 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:29.280 only did you have to be smart to get in, 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:32.400 so you had smart kids, but they weren't like, oh stuffy, 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.960 I go to Latimer and I don't do anything fun. No, 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:39.280 it was creative. They were fun. We had so much 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:41.400 of a laugh. And it was an all boys school. 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.480 And the reason I'm telling you that is we weren't 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:47.440 getting dressed up during the day to impress girls. I 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:51.120 wasn't doing my hair to impress girls. So how did 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:52.920 you make friends? How did you become the popular one? 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.280 Everyone was smart, You had to have something. You had 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:58.000 to either be the funny guy, you had to be 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:00.120 the athletic dude, or you had to be like the 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:04.760 captain of the football team. So everybody excelled, but in 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:08.760 a competitive way, but like in a nice, friendly, competitive manner. 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:12.640 So that has always been my nature to do well 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:17.440 and to apply myself to whatever I do. And I 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:19.480 think I've been like that my whole life. That's why 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.080 I always, you know, I'm always doing different stuff, picking 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.840 up different projects. Because if this is all we got, bro, 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:27.360 you know, why not make the most of it. Do 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:30.040 do the things you enjoy and try to try to 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:31.280 see how far you can get with them. 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:36.920 Yeah, definitely. What was it like having those conversations with 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:40.000 your parents in those early days, Because we've talked about 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:42.760 a million times, and every Indian has that pressure. And 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:45.600 even you know, the other night I was at an 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:48.640 event and it was the same thing where like, Indian 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.319 parents are talking about this idea of just like doctor lawyer, 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:53.000 and you know we've heard it a million times. Of 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:55.720 course you were on that path. You were on that 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:58.880 path to make your parents the proudest Indian parents of 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:02.199 all time. And I think there are a lot of 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:04.080 people who listen to this, and even if they don't 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:06.400 have an Indian upbringing, they may have an upbringing where 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:11.080 their parents' expectations mean something absolutely and their parents' expectations 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:14.000 are important to them because they love their parents and 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:15.960 they see their sacrifice. A lot of people who are 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:19.640 listening maybe thinking, my parents work so hard, I look 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:22.760 ungrateful if I follow my dreams. What was that like? 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:26.160 Absolutely listen, that's such a good point, Jay, because I 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:28.880 of course I get asked that question a lot, right like, 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:31.280 and some people might not know, You're right, I was 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.000 on my path to being a doctor. It's not just 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.719 necessarily an Asian thing. We can really break this down 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:40.400 because as a parent now myself, I understand what it's 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:43.199 like to want the best for your kids. You want 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:47.319 them not to struggle. You want them to have a profession. 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.160 You don't want them to be like, oh, yeah, you know, 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:52.120 I have this dream. I want to be an painter 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:54.520 and this, and you're like that's great, I love that, 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:56.760 But I also don't want you to struggle for money. 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:58.199 I don't. So you don't have to be an Asian 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:01.199 parent to want your kids to do well school, job. 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.200 But the Asian thing, the reason is stereotype, I think 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:07.560 personally is because we were immigrants, so therefore you can 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:10.440 come with a dream and you can come on a 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:14.120 ship from India, come to England to go hmm, I 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.720 want to be a professional gymnast. They were like, what 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.320 shut up, bro, you just left the bend. You've left 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:22.320 the village. You need to earn money. So that our 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:24.880 grandparents didn't get to have a lofty dream. They just 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:27.080 had to work hard. They had to work two jobs, 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:29.720 sometimes three jobs to put food on the table. So 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.600 then therefore that also gets passed down to their kids. 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:38.480 But with my particular situation, the medicine wasn't my parents' 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:40.880 dream for me, it was actually mine. I was a 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:43.400 super nerd in school, Bro. I loved getting straight eight 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:48.080 grades I loved working hard and then seeing the fruits 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.959 of my labor. So when I used to get those 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:53.640 top grades, it made me feel like I'd achieved something. 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:55.720 And it wasn't like, oh, Mom and Dad would be happy. 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:57.240 I knew they'd be happy as well, but it was like, 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:00.280 I'm happy for myself. I worked hard for this, right, 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:04.600 So I actually got fascinated with science. I still am 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:08.000 completely and utterly fascinated with the human mind and the 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:11.319 human body. So before I did medicine, actually bro I 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.120 actually not many people know this. I think you might 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:15.600 with first person who knows this. I actually did a 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.560 degree in a combined science degree in psychology and biology. 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:19.200 I didn't know that. 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.840 Yeah, right, So I did a degree in psychology and biology, 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:27.840 Bachelor of Science. I fully enjoyed it, and then I 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:30.319 was thinking, I'm going to go on to perhaps become 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:33.480 a psychologist or a psychiatrist. I wanted to help people. 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:35.960 I wanted to get in there was always been my thing. 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:40.720 Ended up quite applying for medicine and did two years 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:46.000 of medicine. But like anybody, you have hobbies. My hobby 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:51.800 was music. So I was probably about twelve or thirteen 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.040 years old when I got obsessed with hip hop. I 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:58.480 couldn't give it up. I was writing raps at the 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:02.800 age of thirteen because I was watching these rappers from 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:04.360 do you remember I don't know if you remember this 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:08.959 probably agent show my age Hereyo. MTV raps okay, used 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:10.960 to be because in England. Growing up in England, we 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.480 didn't have access to eight. Of course, we didn't have 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:15.400 the Internet back then. We didn't have access to all 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:17.320 of these hip hop shows. So we had this cable 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:19.640 show on MTV and it would come on and it 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:22.320 was called Loo MTV Raps with Heed Lover and Doctor Dray. 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:28.480 I had MTV Base Nelson Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly, and Westwood. Yeah, 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:29.520 all of that. 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.440 Obviously I'm going to completely off topic I wanted to do. 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:35.400 But but yeah, like point being, you know, the applying 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:38.480 yourself and the working hard and all that stuff. It 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:41.319 was anything I took an interest in, I would take 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:46.120 it to the extreme. So science, work, academia, interested in it, 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:48.520 want to do well, took it to the extreme. Let's 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:51.560 go one degree, all right, No, but I want to 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:54.319 do this too. And in my head there was nothing 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:57.640 saying you can't do that. There was nothing saying you 0:12:57.640 --> 0:12:59.800 don't need a degree, bro, Chill, now go get a job. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.000 I was like, no, but I'm also want to do this, 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:05.120 and I think I've always been like that my whole life. 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:10.079 So there, I am studying medicine, but I also want us, 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:13.240 for some weird reason, go on stage and rap. 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:16.120 And I was a rapper then, Yeah. 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:19.160 I wasn't a singer anyway. So I've always been juggling, bro, 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.640 I've always been juggling things that I'm passionate about. 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:24.240 What's been something that you think you've taken to the 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:27.240 extreme more recently or is that mindset still there or 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:28.880 has that changed has time's gone on. 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.439 So it's not necessarily taking things to an extreme recently. 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:37.079 But I have really been interested in being the entrepreneur 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:40.480 side of the entertainment industry. And it's for a number 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:44.680 of reasons. Okay, first of all, being an artist. This 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:46.240 is going to like next year is going to be 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.800 twenty years of me being an artist. That's amazing and 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:52.960 it's cool, but it doesn't have to be everything I 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.960 do for the rest of my life. I've been so 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:59.520 blessed to be able to do music. Literally, if you 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.959 think about my job, I write songs, then I sing songs, 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:05.560 and I go around the world and I travel and 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.640 I try to make people happy when I'm performing my music. 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:11.600 But that doesn't mean I don't have other interests. It 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.800 doesn't mean that I'm like, for example, I love restaurants 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:18.160 and bars. I love them. Anytime I go to a 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:20.880 different city, first thing I do, either before or after 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.400 my show. Where can we go? Where do the locals 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:25.920 go and eat? What's the local cuisine? Here's where where 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:28.360 should I go and sample this city so that I 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.800 can get to say I went to Milan, and I 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.720 knew what that felt like, So then I was like 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:35.560 my dream was always like, I want my own restaurant, 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:37.720 I want my own bar. So then I did that. 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:40.480 You know, we set up an Indian restaurant called Namah 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:44.520 and a bar called Switch and that was fun because 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:46.320 it allowed me to use a different side of my 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:50.840 brain space and all of a sudden now making entrepreneurial decisions, 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.800 which I never really got to do through music because 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:56.520 it's a different field. So I like, so, you know, 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:58.320 and we have the yoga studio that you know, my 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:01.760 wife Tara owns and runs. So all of these things 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:05.160 keep life interesting for me and I think that's the thing. 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.480 I want to do as much as I can and 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:12.360 enjoy it and see where I can take it. But 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:14.720 it doesn't mean you try to do everything because you 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:16.360 don't want to be a jack of you know, jack 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:19.360 of all trade's master at none. It's just what feels me. 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:21.880 And so that, you know, I think that the recently 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:24.320 that it's been the entrepreneurial stuff. 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:28.080 Yeah, that's awesome. What has been like you spoke about earlier, 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.680 like breaking that stereotype of it's not only you know, 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:32.880 Asian families want their kids to like, you know, be 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:35.920 taken care of and do well in the music industry. 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.880 Walk me through what that was like, because I think 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:42.560 even as a British Indian and an Asian South Asian person, 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.680 I don't think we necessarily know what it was like 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:49.280 because I think when you grow up in England, especially 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:51.600 in London and around I mean to be honest, all 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:55.960 across England, Indian culture is very accessible. Of course, it's normalized. 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:58.280 It's everywhere. Yeah, and then coming to the US, I 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:00.280 don't believe when you did that it was like that 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:02.920 as far as I know. And what did you feel 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.520 you were working with? What were you excited about what 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:07.240 did you come up against that you were trying to 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:09.720 make sense of? Because I think there's a lot of 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.640 people even right now. I think everyone in different cultures, 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:17.920 different traditions, different trajectories, has to face some form of resistance, 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:21.560 some form of stereotypes, some form of opposition. And I've 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:25.400 always appreciated your way of navigating these things because I 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:26.840 don't think you look at it it's like, oh my god, 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:28.720 everyone's against me. I don't think you lived life that 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.360 way to walk us through. What's what goes through your mind? 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:33.680 Yeah, of course, man, So I guess we should really 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:35.600 just take it right back to the beginning, right, So 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:38.840 to answer that question, you know, I'm there, I'm a student, 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:42.280 I'm a medical student. I'm obsessed with hip hop still, 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:44.800 I'm obsessed with music. My love for hip hop, but also, 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:47.080 like then, gone into R and B as well, because 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:48.360 they were sort of hand in hand by then. 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:53.440 Good times. Yeah, I just saw Usher alive in Vegas. 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:55.120 Oh did you again? Yeah? 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:58.480 Man, it's you know, it's again. Oh my god, brother, 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:00.840 there's so much that we can talk about these things. 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:03.120 Because you say that, and he took you back to 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:06.119 a He literally transported you back to a period of 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:10.200 your life, which I did sixteen, and what the stress 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:13.320 is when we were sixteen, nothing passing our exams, doing 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:16.639 well in our GCSEs. Everything else was childhood. It was 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:21.080 it was big dreams. It was you're fearless, you can 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:23.960 take on the world, you want to do anything and everything, 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:27.160 and life is just good. You had music was great then, 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.400 just you know, vibes were there, right and and that's 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:33.280 what I was experiencing. I was I was listening to 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:35.480 you know, all of that same kind of stuff Usher 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:38.840 and and you know and Jagged Edge and Black Street 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.639 and all that stuff. And I used to think to 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:44.960 myself every time we went out and we'd go out 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:47.639 clubing with my friends and stuff, it would always be 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:50.360 especially in London, as you know, this quite a heavy 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:53.800 Indian demographic. Well I should say just like a you know, 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:57.360 an Asian demographic what we call Asian in England they 0:17:57.400 --> 0:17:59.960 call South Asian here, Yeah, tons of us in all 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.000 these clubs. We'd go to concerts, I'd go and see 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:05.040 Fujis in concert, or I'd go and see you know, 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:07.800 DA's effects, I'd go and see Lords of the Underground. 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:11.680 All of these people still a bunch of of Asians there. 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:15.159 And at that time I had started writing, and you know, 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:17.239 I had a friend of mine who's a DJ, and 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:19.280 we used to make these mixtapes, me and my cousin, 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:22.320 and we used to make mixtapes just for our own fun. 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:24.480 And then our friends would be like, actually, that's pretty sick, 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:26.840 like can you make me a copy? Fin mgame a 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.159 copy making. All of a sudden, it was kind of 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:33.960 spreading around school, and then that chubby, nerdy Indian kid 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:37.840 you know, became cool. It's all of a sudden in school, 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:42.280 and that felt nice. But that was just in school. 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:46.320 It wasn't happening on a major level anywhere. There was 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:51.800 no Asian mainstream artist on stage that we could go 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:55.639 and watch who would sing or wrap the music that 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:58.159 we love. So we would go there, and I'm like, 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:00.200 I'd be at an Usher concert. I'm watching him, and 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:04.000 I'm watching tons of Asian scream for Usha, and I'm there, 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:07.919 I'm in the mosh pit, but I'm going why isn't 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:11.040 one of us up there? We clearly love this music. 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:13.760 If we can listen to this music and we can 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:17.120 buy this music, why can't we make this music? Why 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:19.840 can't we be the one up there on stage. And 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:24.400 I think when that click switched for me, that changed everything, 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:29.120 because again talking about how I just thought nothing was impossible, 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:34.080 I said, well, I'm going to do that. Why can't I? Okay, 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:36.720 how do I do that? All right, I'll enter talent competitions. 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:42.280 So I did, and I'm simultaneously studying. But then I'll 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:43.320 be listening to Choice of M. 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:49.160 At the time, it was choice Yeah, something like that, right, 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:51.600 A nine six point nine I think it was. It 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.600 was both, was one of those ones, yeah, right, yeah, yeah, exactly. 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:58.280 So anyway, I'll be listening to Choice of M. And 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:02.359 there was this competition and it was called Commander B's 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:05.720