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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the number one

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Speaker 1: today's guest is someone that I was a fan of

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Speaker 2: Bro. Wow, thank you beautiful introduction.

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Speaker 1: But like I feel like today, I have so many

430
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Speaker 1: people in my life that I know that are scared

431
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 1: of posting on TikTok or posting on Instagram or putting

432
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 1: out like for you to like drop that verse on

433
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,160
Speaker 1: a phone call, you know other people are gonna hear it.

434
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,239
Speaker 1: Other people are going to find out about it. When

435
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,400
Speaker 1: you're on stage, of course, you're laid bare in front

436
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,640
Speaker 1: of all the audience. I think so many people today

437
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 1: get in their heads and they're like, well, I can't

438
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,359
Speaker 1: post that I look stupid, or I can't do that.

439
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 1: I'm not good enough. And even people who are really

440
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 1: talented stop themselves from putting things out there because they're

441
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 1: scared of what their friends say. I remember when I

442
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 1: posted my first video, it was the people closest to

443
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 1: me that criticized it or riady killed it. It wasn't

444
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,439
Speaker 1: It wasn't the audience. The audience actually responded fairly well

445
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 1: for day one, but it was the people around me

446
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 1: that said, Jay, you talked too fast. Jay, that point

447
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 1: didn't make sense. Jay, your editing is not as good

448
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 1: as it should be. Like that was coming from people

449
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 1: I knew, whereas the comments were like, oh, I love this.

450
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 1: I just shared this with a friend, and so I

451
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 1: feel so many people have that block. What was it

452
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 1: for you that gave you that courage to say, this

453
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 1: is fun. I love that idea of this is fun.

454
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 1: I'm doing what I love and I actually don't care.

455
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 1: How did you have that then? I didn't care?

456
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 2: And you're right. You know the reason why I didn't

457
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 2: care back then because in order to find out somebody's opinion,

458
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 2: they had to actually be in front of you and

459
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 2: talk to you about it in person. Right now, we

460
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 2: live in a day and age where we've got connection

461
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 2: with every single human being on the planet. We're not

462
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 2: built like that, bro, where our brains are not built

463
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 2: to have that many connections with that many people were

464
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 2: just not built like that. That's why we get anxiety.

465
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Speaker 2: That's why we get because we know that I post this,

466
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 2: it's going to go out to the world, and then

467
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 2: ninety nine point nine percent of the people who react

468
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,120
Speaker 2: are people I don't know, and I have to take

469
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 2: their criticism on board. But we weren't bill to be

470
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 2: able to deal with that. We just not designed to

471
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 2: be able to deal with that much. So therefore, of

472
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 2: course it overwhelms us. Of course it gives us anxiety.

473
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 2: Of course we get depressed because users Z one five

474
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 2: ninety nine said this about me, but we don't know

475
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: that person. So when I was a kid, I just

476
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 2: did what I did because I didn't have the opinions

477
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 2: of too many people around me. And even if I did,

478
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 2: like you said, and that's another great point, often the

479
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 2: people who are around you might not have the courage

480
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 2: to take a step out of the comfort zone like

481
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 2: you did or I did. So therefore they're just like,

482
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 2: oh no, bro, or maybe it's love. Maybe they're just like,

483
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 2: I don't want you to be sad if someone says

484
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 2: something about you. I don't want you to be hurt

485
00:23:55,119 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 2: if it doesn't work out. I just loved it. That's

486
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 2: the only that's the only truth of it all is

487
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 2: when I tell you that it was an obsession, jay

488
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 2: I was obsessed with hip hop and R and B,

489
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 2: but like not just the culture, the technique. Okay, So

490
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 2: if I was to really break it down, obsessed with

491
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: the fast rappers of that time, that's what it was.

492
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: I was obsessed with big l I was obsessed with

493
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 2: chip food from food food stickens. I was obsessed with

494
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: jay Z with original flavor and the way that they

495
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: would rhyme. It was very very fast, and that to

496
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 2: me was just so cool at the age of fourteen,

497
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 2: How are you rapping that fast? So I would emulate

498
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 2: it and I would try to do what they were doing.

499
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, how did they do that? So

500
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 2: it became like this nerdy obsession. And then when it

501
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 2: came to singers, it was vocalist, how are you singing

502
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: like that? How are you doing those runs? How are

503
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 2: you doing those rifts? So I would study them. I

504
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 2: would study boys to men. I would study all these

505
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 2: guys and copy their rifts and copy. And that's how

506
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: I sort of learned how to rap and how to

507
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 2: sing by literally just said, my these people who had

508
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: such a great skill set.

509
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

510
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 2: And so therefore, when I learned how to do it

511
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 2: for myself, of course I wanted to just go and

512
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 2: have a go at it. So why not go up

513
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 2: there and have a go. And it wasn't because the

514
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 2: end goal was going to be a record deal. I

515
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 2: didn't know. I wasn't thinking that far ahead. The end

516
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 2: goal was I love doing this. If you love football,

517
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:20,959
Speaker 2: you want to kick a football around, You don't want

518
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 2: to just do it in your back garden. If you

519
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 2: get a chance to play on a big pitch, are

520
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 2: you're not going to go yeah, right.

521
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: I love that there's simplicity of their answers beautiful, because

522
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 1: I do think that it is love that carries you through,

523
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: and I think today it's almost the opposite. It's the inverse, right.

524
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: So at that time, we didn't have a lot of

525
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 1: role models or people that look like you, or people

526
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: like you that had made it. And I don't just

527
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: mean that by race and gender and back, I just

528
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: mean in general in life, fame and success and careers

529
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: like that were reserved for a few. There were only

530
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: a finite number of TV channels, find that number of

531
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: music artists, find that number of actors, all very mysterious

532
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: and unreachable. Ever knew how they got there. Today we

533
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 1: live in the opposite where it's like all your friends

534
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: are influencers. Everyone has yeah, everyone's doing everyone's doing something interesting.

535
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 1: You know someone in your family or a network who's

536
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: figured something out, Like people are running businesses, there's entrepreneurs here,

537
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: there's this, and that, someone has a podcast whatever. So

538
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 1: now it's almost the inverse where it's like, now you

539
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: see it happening so much that now you think it

540
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: has to work out that way. So that time you

541
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: just said, I never believe I never even thought about

542
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 1: a record deal. Now, when you start making music, all

543
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: you think about is a record deal because it does

544
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: feel within reach or it does feel like someone else

545
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: did it. And I fully agree with you. When I

546
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: put out my first video, all I thought was I

547
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 1: love sharing this wisdom. I'm tired of just sharing it

548
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: in small rooms of five people. I think the wisdom

549
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: should reach more people, and I'm just trying to see

550
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: if it works. But there wasn't. There wasn't a goal

551
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: or a strategy or a whole approach. One day it's

552
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: gonna be this and we're gonna have this. We're gonna

553
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: build a media empire like it wasn't like that. It

554
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: was just I love this, and I actually don't know

555
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: what else to do with this apart from try and

556
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 1: share it.

557
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: I've always believed one thing, right, if I operate from

558
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: a place of panic, desperation, just looking around competition, it

559
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 2: won't work. It doesn't work for me because it's not true.

560
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: It's not organic, it's not real. There is no actual

561
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 2: substance in that product. It's hollow, it's fake, and people

562
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: can see it. And I really believe in that it

563
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: sounds airy fairy, but I believe in it. I know

564
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 2: for a fact I have made songs just chasing hits,

565
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: just like ah, that song work. I went so far

566
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 2: down that rod bro of trying to chase big pop hits.

567
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 2: I lost myself. I lost. I didn't even even when

568
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 2: I was behind the mic singing it. There was no

569
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: smile on my face because I knew you were writing

570
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 2: songs for this climate, and you got this guy talking

571
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: in your ear. Hm, you need to do a song

572
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: like this because so and so I had another big Oh,

573
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 2: we'll get the producer who did that. Oh, we're right

574
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: this right with the songwriter who did that. I'm like,

575
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: but I don't even like that music. Yeah, but that's

576
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: all that's working right now. So you got to do it.

577
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 2: And there was no love in it. And guess what

578
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 2: my fans could tell. They can tell they're not stupid.

579
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 2: They know the Saint Jay shaw Man seeing I see

580
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: what he's doing. It's cool. I love him, so I

581
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: let him do it. But the Saint Jay, Saint the

582
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 2: Jay that we loved, Saint the Jay that we fell

583
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 2: in love with. I see what he's doing. There's a

584
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 2: pressure for him to do it. That's cool. We'll stand

585
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: by him, but we'll wait for him to come back.

586
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: He'll find his way back, as I always do. But

587
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 2: when it's not from a place of love, and it's

588
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: not from a place of passion, and it's not real,

589
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: I feel like there's a metadata in that that people

590
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: can feel. And that's always been the story of my life.

591
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: And that's beautiful. Yeah, No, And and it's great to

592
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: have that connection to your audience. But when you start obviously,

593
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: like you said, I mean, I still remember when Dance

594
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: with You came out and we used to wait for

595
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: it to be played on Channel You, and I'm trying

596
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: to think of where else but Channel You was. Yeah,

597
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: And at the back in the day, this is again

598
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: agent made. You'd have to wait for the songs you

599
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: love to come on to record them on VHS, so

600
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: you'd record it and then you'd make your own VHS

601
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: music video so that I'd have Usher you, pddy eminem

602
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: like whatever else it is. And you're collecting all these

603
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: people and then now whenever your mates come over, you

604
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: put this video in and then you play that, or

605
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: you're playing Channel You in the background anyway, But it's

606
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: like I remember when Dance with You came out, and

607
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: for anyone who doesn't know it, if you if you

608
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: didn't know Ja before the US world, like go back

609
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: and see check that video out, because I still think

610
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: it's a brit like it lands even today. That's how

611
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: good that song is you and it's and I can

612
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: still bump in the car and it's it's awesome. But

613
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: to me, it was such a moment for the culture

614
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: because it was actually good music and it was actually

615
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: cool too. And I think that that's hard to do

616
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: as well. I think it's really hard when you're like

617
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: trying to do something fresh. You're new and you're trying

618
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: to own a sound or create a sound, but to

619
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: actually do that is really challenging. So when you're at

620
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: your best, most creative self, as you were just describing, now,

621
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: walk us through the more texture of that recipe of life,

622
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: when you're really landing in that passion, that love, the excitement,

623
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,239
Speaker 1: as you said, like, walk us through when you're at

624
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: your peak creativity and it's truly authentic. What does that

625
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: creative process look like?

626
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: There's no thought And that's what I always tell people.

627
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: Making music is not a science. There will be people

628
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: who tell you and listen. Fine. Some people have had

629
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 2: a very very long, successful career by methodically thinking, hmm,

630
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 2: verse must be x amount of syllables, and this melody

631
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: works because this chord structure works for the last ten years,

632
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: top ten hits. This is the chord progression and cool.

633
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: I'm not built that way. That's not how I make music. Amazing,

634
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: hats off to the people who can write hits like that.

635
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: That's not how I make music. I feel. I feel,

636
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 2: and I smile and I jump up and down in

637
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: the studio when that song is done. And if I'm

638
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: feeling like that. The one thing the rule I have

639
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: is after I've written a song, if I am not

640
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: so excited, regardless of what time it is, it could

641
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: be four in the morning, I could have had a

642
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,479
Speaker 2: twenty hour day. If I'm not excited enough to go

643
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: behind that mic bro and sing that song right there,

644
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: that second, it ain't it. If I can say, ah,

645
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: I'll wait till tomorrow, then that means my fans can go, ah,

646
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: I'll wait till tomorrow to hear it. You understand, they

647
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 2: have options. And the thing is I go off of

648
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: that excitement. So when dance with you happened. I had

649
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: met Richie rich who really you know, responsible for just

650
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: everything from the beginning of the genesis of my career,

651
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: our work together. He heard something in me. He knew

652
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: I wrapped, He knew us I sang. And what I

653
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: had developed was a style of blending the two. So

654
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 2: I would fast rap and sing, but sing it with

655
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: a melody. So, because the rapper in me was so alive,

656
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: I didn't approach the beat the way that I would

657
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: say perhaps if I was just a singer. So I

658
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 2: actually wrote it as a rap. So, girl, whatever told you,

659
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: but thin get of all the possibilycical ways they're going

660
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: to broach you. And so then i'd write those lyrics down.

661
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: But then I put a melody. Girl, whatever told you,

662
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: but they get all of the puzzle of lilyriical ways

663
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: they're going to broach you. And it was something that

664
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 2: I don't think many people had heard before, but it

665
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 2: was my style. And had there been like a suit

666
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: in the room, like an A and R, he would

667
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: have gone, hmhmm, you're way too fast. I don't know

668
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: what you're saying. Slow it down too many words, This

669
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: doesn't work. Who does this have you seen give me

670
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: an example of someone who's had success with a song

671
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 2: like this, with a verse like that. That's exactly why

672
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: you should do it. That's exactly why I did it.

673
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: It's because it is new, because it was fresh, and

674
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: because it was it was me, bro It's me, you know.

675
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: So when that landed on that song, I think a

676
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: lot the Asian kids in England growing up. If you're

677
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: growing up in England, you're listening to you know, probably

678
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: R and B and hip hop, which is very common

679
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: for us at the time. That was a culture, right,

680
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 2: that was kind of what we were into. And then

681
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: your mum's watching some Indian drama or some Indian shark movie,

682
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: so you got Bollywood, so you got like beautiful Hindi

683
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 2: melodies going on in the background. And if you're Punjabi

684
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: like me, you're going to weddgs and they're playing punga

685
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: Punjabi music and it's upbeat. Those were all of my

686
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: musical influences. So when I was in that room, it

687
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: was not foreign or weird or even contrived for Rishie

688
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: and I to have. First of all, when Rishie put

689
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: that Indian flu to me, I wasn't like, oh, that's Indian.

690
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, that's sick. That's a sick. Example

691
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: that sounds amazing over a hip hop, beat, pop, R

692
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: and B chords. It was something brand new, but it

693
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: was something. It was all the music that we listened

694
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: to in one party. It wasn't like control, it wasn't

695
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 2: like we're trying to create a new genre. We created

696
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: a new genre by accident because it was just the

697
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: stuff that we were into. So then when we did that,

698
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: had written that song originally kind of left it there.

699
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 2: Rishie was working with Juggide, obviously a Punjabbi artist.

700
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: He heard it.

701
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: He was like, this is sick. Jump on it, brav h.

702
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: He did his thing. Before you knew it. We had

703
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 2: a song that no one had ever heard. And guess what,

704
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 2: the people that Asian culture at that time had all

705
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 2: of their favorite music on one song. You had punjubbi,

706
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: you had hip hop, and you had R and B,

707
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 2: and you had this whole thing in three minutes of

708
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: one song. And for the first time ever, I think

709
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 2: by three at that time, young dudes, because if you

710
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: were like listening to pun jubby music, they were like

711
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 2: uncle ages.

712
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?

713
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 2: Exactly and like a good sing but he's like fifty.

714
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, you got these young girls and

715
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 2: guys who were listen to people who look like them, yeah,

716
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 2: doing this stuff, and that kind of I think was

717
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 2: something that was brand new and it it just changed

718
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: the game. Man.

719
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with that, even when you see

720
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: that in new artists, Like I remember, yeah, the first

721
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: time I ever heard a Drake song right right, like

722
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: early mixtapes, Like you're like, who's this guy who can

723
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: sing and run rap and do his own thing? Now

724
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: I know that today, Like you know, Drake's gone on

725
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: to just do after Hitt and all the rest of it,

726
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes he gets a hard time where

727
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, yeah, he just makes it, and

728
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, if you think about it, when he started,

729
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: he was probably only like real rapper that also did that,

730
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: like was able to mix the two. And I've always

731
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: I've always loved his music, but to me as well,

732
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: it was that same thing where it's like he was

733
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: putting together two things that felt natural to him in

734
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: his own way, Like he could sing really high notes

735
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 1: and then put in like a rap verse. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

736
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: He could do both, Yeah, and it was just exciting.

737
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: It was to me, it's always been exciting when people

738
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: are not kind of imprisoned and limited by a box.

739
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: And it's what you're saying about even the entrepreneur and

740
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: the musician in you and allowing yourself, Like I think,

741
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: I think today we've become so much better at recognizing

742
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: that people are multi hyphen its like you know that

743
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: Rihanna can have a music career and be a fashion

744
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: I got exactly right. You know that an actress can

745
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: also have an amazing company. You know that exactly. Ryan

746
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: Reynolds can also sell an alcohol or whatever it may be.

747
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's so many different ways of doing that.

748
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: He can own a football team exactly the exactly. But

749
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 1: in the beginning, it was like, no, you're an actor,

750
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: Just just be an actor, honored.

751
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: That, do that, and sometimes oh, actually you do this role.

752
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: You're only doing comedies. And then an actor could be like, dude, yeah,

753
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: I know I'm good at comedy, but like, give me

754
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: a drama man, just give me a shot. Yeah, show me,

755
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: let me show those skills, right. Yeah, So for me,

756
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 2: it was always like Okay, I do music, but like,

757
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 2: don't tell me, I can only do the these records,

758
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: I can only sing these kind of songs. I can

759
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 2: only you know, sing, I can't bust into a rap randomly.

760
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: So I was so that always confused me because I

761
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 2: was like, hold on a second, this is my artistic expression,

762
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: So surely it should just be why why aren't I

763
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: just allowed to do who I am? Because otherwise then

764
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: it's not Jay Sean, it's Jay Sewan with other people

765
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: in his ear. Then it's not just Drake, it's Drake

766
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: with other people in his ear. So I think the

767
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 2: reason why people fall in love with an artist is

768
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: because that person has something unique to share with the world, right,

769
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 2: you know, like if you're in a certain mood, you're

770
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: gonna be like, man, I know, man, I feel like

771
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 2: I it's put on some Adele right now or something.

772
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: Why?

773
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: Because you know what Adele offers, you know what her music,

774
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 2: how it makes you feel?

775
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: Yeah?

776
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, as opposed to just a random singer who's got

777
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: a beautiful voice.

778
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: Yeah right, truly? Yeah, I know you reminded me of

779
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: Matthew McConaughey came on the podcast. He talked about how

780
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: he was known as the rom com guy, so he

781
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: was doing How to Lose a Guy in Ten Days.

782
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: He was doing all those types of movies and he

783
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: was amazing at it. It was like ghosts of Girlfriends past,

784
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: and like he was that guy. He was like the

785
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: hot heart throb you know that holds those movies. And

786
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: he said he had to take a two year break

787
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: from making movies to shift his brand to be able

788
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: to do movies like The Lincoln Lawyer later on Dallas

789
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: Bias Club, which he won the award for. And it's

790
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: like he literally didn't make movies for two years and

791
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: he was getting paid like fifteen million to do a

792
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: rom com, right, And he said, for two years he

793
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: didn't do anything because that was his brand and he

794
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: wanted to do more serious roles. He wanted to do

795
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: roles that he cared about. And it took him saying

796
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: no for two years. And that's a lot of like,

797
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 1: you know it, it's amazing to think that people who've

798
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: made pivots in their career have had to kind of

799
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: have these very like interesting transition periods. Yeah, what was

800
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: it like for what's the biggest difference between the UK

801
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: and the US music scene? Because I think you have that,

802
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, you have that as unique experence. There's a

803
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: few of you, right, there's you, and then like more

804
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: recently obviously that people like Ed Sheeran Adele like, there's

805
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: there's few people who've been able to be successful in both.

806
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 2: I'll tell you a funny thing. Right, So obviously at

807
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: the time, pre two thousand and nine, I was lucky

808
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 2: enough to have guarded myself a worldwide fan base excluding

809
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 2: I thought, excluding America. I just thought, there's no way

810
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: America knows my music. And that's because America has, Let's

811
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: be honest, they have the kreme de la creme of everything.

812
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 2: If you think of any of the biggest stars, they're

813
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: usually American, whether they're Hollywood stars, you know, or Canadian

814
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 2: right or from specifically Toronto. So right. But at the time,

815
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 2: so when we're in that's why when we were in London,

816
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 2: London is a small island, and so what happens is

817
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: sometimes you can get I refer to it a small

818
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: island syndrome. You can walk around your little place and

819
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 2: feel like the big shot.

820
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: You know.

821
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'm a daggon them. People know me and

822
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: hear me. Yeah, I'm lester Brough. People know me here

823
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 2: boy a Scotland man. People know me in Scotland Brough. Okay, cool,

824
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 2: that's amazing and great and if you can have a

825
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: career then you're happy with that, that's great. I always,

826
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 2: again going back to me being a person who's highly driven,

827
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: I would always say, take me somewhere when no one

828
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 2: knows me. I want to win them over. Take me somewhere,

829
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 2: take me anywhere where nobody knows me, and let me

830
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 2: see if I can win them over. And that has

831
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: always been something that's very dear to me, even when

832
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 2: it comes to shows. Any show, like you could do

833
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 2: a corporate gig right and they have it, and it's

834
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: like people be like, oh, they're waiting for the show.

835
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: I'll be okay, cool, what's the demographic? This is x

836
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: y zed. I don't then think okay, I'm just gonna

837
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 2: sing x y Z song. I go, well, how can

838
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: I connect with them? What am I going to be

839
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 2: able to on what level? And then win them over

840
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 2: so that then they can go you know what. I

841
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: didn't actually know Jayshaun before or even like his music,

842
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: but I like the dude. I like the guy. I

843
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: connected with him and he was fun on stage and

844
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: he was funny and he was an endearing and then

845
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: he actually rocked the crowd and now all of a sudden,

846
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 2: you want him over.

847
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

848
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 2: So when it came to America, I took that same approach.

849
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 2: I was. I remember distinctly being at Passport Control and

850
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: I was going to go and sign with cash money.

851
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 2: That's why I was going over there. And it was

852
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: a big day for me, and I was super excited.

853
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 2: I was like, I can't believe this man about to

854
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: get a record deal in America. But I went knowing

855
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 2: that if I don't succeed, at least I have everything

856
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 2: else that I've worked hard for. And if I do succeed, man,

857
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 2: that's only a bonus. Now that can only be even better.

858
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 2: But I'm excited. I'm a bit gassed up right I'm there.

859
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: It's like, oh my gosh, a big deal, young Money,

860
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: catch me record. It's like yeah, right.

861
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 2: So then I'm there at passport Control and the guy goes.

862
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 2: You know how they are America. Sometimes they're like, what

863
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: is the purpose of you?

864
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I still get it. Every time you're nervous.

865
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: I get so nervous years and.

866
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: It's like, what are the purpose of your visit to

867
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 2: the United States. I was like, so here's me, and

868
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: how I look slightly cocky. I go, be honest with

869
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 2: your mate, that's sign a big record deal. And he

870
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: goes yeah, he goes, what's your name? And I go

871
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: Jay Sean and he goes, I haven't heard of you.

872
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: So now I know I've got work to do right

873
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: on my entry to this country. The Good Lord has

874
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: gone relax, mate, calm your ego. There's work to be done.

875
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 2: And it was through that one guy, that immigration officer

876
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: who looked me dead in the eye and said, so what,

877
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 2: I haven't heard of you? And I thought, all right,

878
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 2: let's do this. Let's work. Let's work.

879
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: It's always the immigration officers. I don't recognize anyone man.

880
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: I get the same thing every just the best.

881
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 2: But I love that and Bro, you it humbled me

882
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 2: in a split second. And I'm not saying I had

883
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 2: a big head either, But if I was to be

884
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 2: cocky about my venture in the United States, I learned

885
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 2: right there. And then bro, prove yourself again. And that's

886
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 2: what I had to do from scratch.

887
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's such a great mindset to have because

888
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: you could have had that interaction and gone where you

889
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: should know me, right, you could do that or you

890
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: will know, Yeah you will get cocky, right, yeah, you

891
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: will know. And it's just it's so interesting because I

892
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: feel like that is just never a satisfying way to live.

893
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: That's what I've discovered, Like the the idea of thinking

894
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: you're at the top of the mountain or that you're

895
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 1: doing things it's the same thing as you said earlier,

896
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: like when you're making music from love, passion and excitement.

897
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: I feel like if you're doing something because of revenge,

898
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 1: because of proving someone wrong, because of I'll show you

899
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: because I'll see you at the top, Like when you

900
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: do things with that energy, even if and when you

901
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: make it, it never fulfills you because that person may not

902
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: have the reaction you want them to have their place,

903
00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: that person would still be like, yeah, don't listen to me,

904
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: I don't like your music. Or when you go up

905
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: to that guy and go, oh wait, did you hear

906
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 1: me now I'm number one Billboard and they go, yeah,

907
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: my girlfriend didn't like it exactly, but yeah, it still

908
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: doesn't It won't feel you, bro.

909
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: And it's a very very good point, and I think

910
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: that it's it's such an important point because for me,

911
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: twenty years of work, Okay, what have I learned? What

912
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 2: are my lessons? I've been around the world. We were

913
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 2: calculating this of coming up to a million miles just

914
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: on one airline. Wow, just on one airline. Wow. So

915
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: I've definitely done way more. Must have been around the

916
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: world fifty times, at least fifty in terms of my legs, Yeah, easily.

917
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: That means I have had experiences after experience after experience

918
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: after experience after experience, some amazing, some horrible, some that

919
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 2: can make you feel like you're on top of the world,

920
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: and some that can pull you into a dark place

921
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 2: and you don't even want to talk to anyone depressed.

922
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: So where's that safe place? Where's the place where you're

923
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 2: just okay? Man, I'm alright with this. I'm in this

924
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 2: industry and it can either make me or break me,

925
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: or it can do neither, or I can just have

926
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: a great time while I'm here, make people happy that

927
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: I love, take care of my family, earn a good living.

928
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 2: And it all comes down to exactly what you just said,

929
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 2: Why are you doing this? If I was for the

930
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: rest of my career only driven to write songs and

931
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: perform and record to beat the big monster that is down.

932
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: If that was my only incentive, gotta beat down, gotta

933
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: be down, I've gotta top that. I am setting myself

934
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 2: up for failure, A and definitely a ton of anxiety,

935
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 2: a ton of like bad feelings and feelings that just

936
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: aren't on a vibe at all, because I'm doing it

937
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: all for the wrong reasons. If if I then go,

938
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 2: if I switch my mentality and go, Man, how lucky

939
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: were you? How blessed were you to be able to

940
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 2: have written that beautiful unicorn of a song that makes

941
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: so many people happy, That really did break a lot

942
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: of records and change your life. Gave you a life, man,

943
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: gave you a life. Put that in your back pocket. Yeah,

944
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 2: and be grateful and say thank you. That was wicked,

945
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 2: That was amazing. Now let's go on and write stuff

946
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: that you enjoy, that you love, that perhaps your fans

947
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: might connect to. But if I was to make the

948
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 2: metric of my happiness chart positions, comments, likes, followers, I'm

949
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 2: setting myself up failure because I can't control any of

950
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 2: those things at all. The only thing I can control

951
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 2: is the music that I write. The music that I record,

952
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 2: the music I put into this world, the way I

953
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 2: interact with people when I'm on stage and make them

954
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: feel those are the things I can control. And so

955
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 2: therefore my happiness hopefully will be in a safe place,

956
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 2: you know, because I'm not pinning it, I'm not rooting

957
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 2: it in something that is so out of my control.

958
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: There's this quote that I heard that someone said that,

959
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 1: you know, at one point I had to stop being

960
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: a hit machine and go back to being an artist.

961
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: And I love that idea, but I feel every artist

962
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: goes through this series of phases where you start as

963
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: a pure artist, You start with pure creativity and pure patchet,

964
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: and then in the scaling of a business of having

965
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: team members of whatever it is, you become a hit machine.

966
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: And you kind of try and like you said, you

967
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: try and like mathematically figure out the equation. You may

968
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: kind of have some hits, you may not have some hits,

969
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: but you have this and either way, whether you've had

970
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: it or whether you haven't, you become unfulfilled. And that's

971
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: what happens so externally, even if this person is having

972
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: all the number ones, they're still feeling internally fulfilled because

973
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: it doesn't link back to that pure artistry that they

974
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: started started doing and then they try to go back there.

975
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: Everyone goes back that everyone wants to go back there.

976
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: Some people take thirty years, some people do it in

977
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: three years. I've met people at both ends of the

978
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: spectrum who they made stuff they hated for thirty years.

979
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: Some people gave up after three years and said, you

980
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: know what, I'm going back to doing what I love right,

981
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: And it's normal, Like it's normal for everyone to have

982
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: that so so true. It's so wonderful to hear you

983
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: talk about it in that way, because I think that

984
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: we had Rick Rubin here a few months ago and

985
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: he was saying the same thing.

986
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 2: He was just like you.

987
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: He was saying the same thing you said. He was like,

988
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: we're not music isn't made formulaically. Like he was like,

989
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: you're not trying to think what people are going to love,

990
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: and so I'm gonna make it. And you know, to

991
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: hear that across artists and musicians, different genres, different backgrounds,

992
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: it speaks to a lot when was your darkest time

993
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: or when was a moment where you felt like you'd

994
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: you were just this is not.

995
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 2: You know, it's so true. Everything you're saying artists we are.

996
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 2: We exist in one of two states. We're either you

997
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 2: can't mess with me best or I suck. Everyone hates me.

998
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: I'm the worst. I should quit.

999
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: I can relate in between.

1000
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 2: The hardest place to be is I'm all right, I'm

1001
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: gonna right. I guess I'm gonna write. Artist who wants

1002
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 2: to be I'm an alright artist? Nobody how's it good?

1003
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: All right? Man? Nobody wants that. So if you're not

1004
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 2: killing it, you're here.

1005
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: I suck.

1006
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 2: I should quit. Nobody likes me. People aren't listening to

1007
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 2: my music. That listen to that person's music. So of

1008
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 2: course I've had those moments. Not only have I had

1009
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 2: them epically in one particular point in my life. My

1010
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 2: whole journey man has been like It's been like the

1011
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 2: Rocky Story, which is why I'm so obsessed with Rocky.

1012
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: And love Rocky bro The Slide docs out.

1013
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 2: I watched it. I'm also obsessed with Sorests, the dude.

1014
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 2: That dude, he's he's so smart, and I watched the

1015
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 2: I watched it. I'm not going to ruin it for you.

1016
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: But one thing I've always known for about SYBESTERI stallone

1017
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 2: is that this guy bet on himself. That's the story.

1018
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 2: We know. He bet on himself. Didn't get cast in

1019
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 2: movies because of the way he looked, the way you spoke.

1020
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 2: So what did he do? He wrote roles for himself.

1021
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 2: What an amazing, what a genius thing to do that

1022
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 2: you're not gonna cast me? Fine, and he bet on

1023
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 2: himself with Rocky, but he didn't win immediately in Rocky.

1024
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: But what that story tells me is, here's a grit.

1025
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: Here's a guy, a bum, just a dude that no

1026
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 2: one pays attention to. But he's still a human being.

1027
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 2: He symbolizes your average Joe, your average Joe who the

1028
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: world ain't really looking at. They don't really stop to

1029
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 2: notice him. But he has a secret dream. He has

1030
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 2: a little dream inside of him, you know what I mean.

1031
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 2: And then when he gets that opportunity, he goes for

1032
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 2: it because he's gotten a nothing to lose. But b

1033
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 2: he's all hot, he's all hot, and he's doing it

1034
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 2: from a place of love. He doesn't necessarily need that belt.

1035
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,479
Speaker 2: He just loves a the game. And B, I can't

1036
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 2: believe I got this opportunity. Man, I'm gonna take this

1037
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take it with both my hands. I'm not

1038
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 2: gonna let go. But then the Rocky saga, the storyline continues,

1039
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 2: the rise and then the fall. And that's why he's

1040
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 2: to me he's such a great writer, is because I

1041
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 2: think he was simultaneously writing about what was going on

1042
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 2: in his life, from nobody to becoming the biggest stuy

1043
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 2: in Hollywood to then maybe getting caught up in the game,

1044
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 2: losing your roots. Oh now I'm not even speaking the

1045
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 2: same way. I don't walk the same way, talk the

1046
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: same way, I don't write the same way. Because now

1047
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 2: I'm a star, people are looking at me expecting different things.

1048
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 2: And my career was like that when I started off.

1049
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 2: I just wrote from the heart. Man. I wrote it

1050
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 2: because Jay, Rishie Rich and Juggie Deer coming through on

1051
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 2: a song. Who says that, why are you calling your

1052
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 2: own names out on a song? Most songs are just like, hey, girls,

1053
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 2: so you from the last time. It's an imaginary story

1054
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 2: about something now that you. Yeah, this guy thinks it's

1055
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 2: okay on his first ever song to Goya, of the song,

1056
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 2: it's not the intro part.

1057
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: It's not like that, yo, It's yeah, it's not it's

1058
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: not that far. It's it's the verse.

1059
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 2: It's the verse. Why young, cockiness, fresh fun? Not even

1060
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 2: thinking about it, not studying other songs, going well, what

1061
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 2: are the kind of lyrics today?

1062
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: Write?

1063
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 2: What are the big hits? I did it and it

1064
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 2: connected and it felt right and it worked first album.

1065
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you're familiar with you all.

1066
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: Against I remember buying Me against Myself on CD There

1067
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: You Go, because I was so excited to look at

1068
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: the art and I love the idea because on the

1069
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: last track you had to wait like a few minutes

1070
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: and fast forward it to wait for like bonus material.

1071
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 1: I love this kind of like hidden things like yeah.

1072
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 2: Mass yeah, and So Me against Myself? Why was it

1073
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: even called Me against Myself? It was called me against myself? Because, bro,

1074
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 2: in all honesty, truth be told, from the beginning of

1075
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:03,959
Speaker 2: my career, I have been in this little bubble where

1076
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:08,720
Speaker 2: I have been fighting myself the whole time. The rapper

1077
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 2: versus the singer, the R and B guy versus the

1078
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 2: pop guy. It's always been this duality of who is

1079
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 2: actually keeping it real and who's the one making the

1080
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 2: money and you know, up on the stages, and are

1081
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 2: they the same person? Because the guy who's keeping it

1082
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 2: real was the rapper. He was the guy who was like, yo,

1083
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 2: you sold out. You're writing these fictional songs about hey,

1084
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 2: baby girl, this, baby girl that, and on the song

1085
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: me against myself, it's literally the rapper versus the singer.

1086
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 2: And the other part of this whole thing was it

1087
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: was me against everyone else in the music industry because

1088
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 2: at the time when I started, I didn't really know it,

1089
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,439
Speaker 2: know it, and you know, but now we look back,

1090
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 2: I was really out there by myself as the only

1091
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 2: Asian kid in a sea of and we're talking like

1092
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: a bit of the mainstream artists now.

1093
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,959
Speaker 1: And twenty years ago, even more so twenty years ago.

1094
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: And it was only until I sort of really started

1095
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:10,439
Speaker 2: coming across situations where I realized I am the odd

1096
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 2: one out, I am the fish out of water here,

1097
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 2: I'm the one that doesn't look like anybody else. It

1098
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 2: was very different, and you know, for me, I felt

1099
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 2: like at that point the only thing that was going

1100
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 2: to get me through all of this was by staying

1101
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 2: true to who I am. Right, So there's this, you

1102
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 2: know song I wrote called good Enough. So what I

1103
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 2: would do is I would instead of screaming about it

1104
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 2: on interviews and ranting on about it and complaining about

1105
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 2: how difficult it is trying to break through and not

1106
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 2: having the same opportunities as other artists. I used to

1107
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 2: disguise my songs my love songs. I used to write

1108
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 2: open letters to the music industry and disguise them as

1109
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 2: love songs. So there's a song on my first album

1110
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 2: on Me Against Myself called good Enough, And in the lyrics,

1111
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 2: you think he's talking about a girl who's not the

1112
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 2: same race as her, so like he's dating a girl

1113
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 2: from a different race. But it's actually a letter, open

1114
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 2: letter to the music industry, and it says it says,

1115
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 2: I've got my mother's skin, I've got my father's eyes.

1116
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 2: That's something that I can't deny, and that's nothing that

1117
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 2: I want to hide. And even though my roots come

1118
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 2: from the other side, they told me that they won't mind,

1119
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 2: because I heard that love is blind. And then it says,

1120
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 2: how do I change a million minds in this lifetime?

1121
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 2: What is it I have to do if I erase

1122
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 2: my history? What defines me? If I had to change

1123
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 2: my truth, would I be good enough for you? And

1124
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 2: really it was about me talking to the music industry, yeah,

1125
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 2: saying like, I'm just like you. Why are you giving

1126
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 2: me a harder time? Man, listen to my music, tell

1127
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 2: me if it fits in where it should fit in.

1128
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 2: So but when all that stuff started to happen, I

1129
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 2: went in a bit of a It was hard for me.

1130
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 2: I went into like a little bit of a dark

1131
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 2: place because I was like the Saint, this is meant

1132
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 2: to be fun, this is meant to be my dream,

1133
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 2: and now like I'm not getting the same opportunities. And

1134
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 2: I didn't know what to do about that. You know,

1135
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 2: when my first album, when they tried to take me

1136
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 2: onto the second album at Virgin, I realized that these

1137
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 2: people don't understand me, they don't understand my vision, my art.

1138
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go step out. So any money that I

1139
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 2: had earned off that first album and touring, I invested

1140
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 2: in myself, like Sylvester Stallone, and that's where I did

1141
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 2: my Own Way album. Of course why it's called My

1142
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 2: Own Way. On that album, I remember leaving Virgin and

1143
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 2: at the time being told, don't worry, you're gonna get

1144
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,720
Speaker 2: another record deal. You know you've got all the success,

1145
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 2: You've got these chart hits. Of course you're gonna get signed. Immediately,

1146
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, okay, good, I'll get signed to

1147
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 2: a label that understands me. Then happen didn't happened, And

1148
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 2: now I'm like, well, I had like four years in

1149
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 2: the game, that's it. Maybe I should have stayed with

1150
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 2: virgin who who else gets a major record deal and

1151
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 2: then walks away from And then I had to talk

1152
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,240
Speaker 2: to my parents tell them the situation. I've just given

1153
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 2: up a chance at being a doctor. I've had one

1154
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 2: album out toward the World a little bit. Didn't really

1155
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 2: smash it, though, did I Like for the Indians around

1156
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 2: the world, yes, I smashed it. Of course, they were

1157
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 2: like the first guy, our guy, but in terms of

1158
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 2: mainstream they were kind of like, oh yeah, that guy

1159
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 2: had a couple of songs. So I remember being lost,

1160
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 2: really lost, and I pretended actually to my parents that

1161
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 2: I was off to the studio working on a new album.

1162
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 2: And there were times where I would get my car

1163
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 2: and I was drive around park up somewhere and literally

1164
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 2: sit down in my car and go and cry and

1165
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 2: your own on my own and just cry because I

1166
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 2: was so lost and so scared. Here's a guy who

1167
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 2: had all the big dreams in the world or the

1168
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 2: guy who worked so hard at school two degrees. I

1169
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 2: had to just really just sit there and think about

1170
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 2: there has to be a reason. There has to be

1171
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 2: a reason that this gift was given to me, that

1172
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 2: this blessing was given to me to be able to

1173
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 2: try to fly the flag for us. What do I do?

1174
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 2: It can't just end it amazingly as the universe would

1175
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 2: have it. About two weeks later, there was this event

1176
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 2: where I was in doing like a meet and greet

1177
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 2: and this kid comes up to me and he's about

1178
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 2: sixteen seventeen at the time, hands me a CD and

1179
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 2: he goes, hey, man, I'm such a big fan I

1180
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 2: make music. Please listen to it if you can. My

1181
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 2: contact details are on there. So yeah, cool man. Now

1182
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 2: look when this happens, as you know, like sometimes we're

1183
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 2: like you're bro cool, but sometimes you get one hundred

1184
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 2: CDs you don't get to listen to them all. On

1185
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 2: the way home, put it in the car. Listening to it,

1186
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 2: I'm like like this beat is insane. And I was like, holy,

1187
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 2: I'm calling this guy straight away. I picked him up,

1188
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 2: picked up the phone and I was like, where do

1189
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 2: you live? Where's your studio. He's like jashon. I was

1190
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 2: like yeah, He's like, bro, come on. I was like, no,

1191
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 2: I'm coming over now to your studio. And he had

1192
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 2: a studio in his garden in Slough. He had a

1193
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 2: studio in his garden shed in Slough and this is

1194
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 2: a fan of mine. And I said we're gonna work.

1195
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 2: He's like, dude, come on. I was like, I'm serious.

1196
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 2: And it was just me and him, and on that

1197
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 2: day I wrote write it with this kid who had

1198
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 2: just given me a demo CD. He had a dream,

1199
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 2: He had a lofty dream. He didn't know that. I

1200
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 2: was also in a place in my life where I

1201
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 2: needed I needed something. He needed something and I needed something.

1202
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 2: We both wanted to win. And that song was just

1203
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 2: sent bro, and it changed everything. That song obviously, as

1204
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 2: you know.

1205
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I was about living, and that song has

1206
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: had so many lives, yeah, and so many edits and

1207
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: so many like it's insane. Yeah.

1208
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 2: But I and without have getting too heavy on the

1209
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 2: spiritual shit about it. I think it's because there is

1210
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 2: something special about that song. I think it's because that song,

1211
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 2: it's very genesis, came from a place of where I

1212
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 2: was at my lowest and needed so badly to be

1213
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 2: plucked out of this dark place. And I needed something

1214
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 2: from up here. Man, I needed something to lift me up.

1215
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: And that song not only just did that for me,

1216
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 2: It's kind of like a sacred song for me, you know.

1217
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 2: And it gave this kid a life. It gave him

1218
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 2: an entire career one song. And then fast forward twelve

1219
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 2: years later, it goes and gives another guy a life,

1220
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 2: some random dude in Lithuania who's just like done a

1221
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 2: remix and put it on YouTube, and then it goes

1222
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 2: on TikTok. This guy is now touring the world, do

1223
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? So, like, you know, it

1224
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 2: did pretty good for me during the pandemic. Yeah, a

1225
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 2: little nice little pocket change for me too, And it

1226
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 2: was like, you know, it's special. So there you go.

1227
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,919
Speaker 2: There was my rocky story. Right, yeah, boom down here

1228
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 2: in the dumps. Back up now, right, it's out Jase Seawan.

1229
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 2: Version two's out, shaved head, right, the spikes are on

1230
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 2: the shaved head, and all of a sudden, man, I

1231
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 2: got another shot at it.

1232
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: The reason why I love hearing it is because I remember,

1233
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: like I remember trying to figure out what had happened

1234
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,439
Speaker 1: between the two albums too, and I remember like, as

1235
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: as your fans were following, it was like, I can't remember.

1236
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: It was like was it relentless or reckless? Relentless? Right?

1237
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: It was relentless, and it was like, yeah, you were

1238
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: seeing that shift and you never know what's going on

1239
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,959
Speaker 1: on the other side. The best part about that story, though,

1240
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: is the randomness and allowing the randomness, because I think

1241
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: so often as you become more successful, you become more closed,

1242
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: and you become more are You're just a little kid.

1243
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: What do you have? And that ego. We've talked about

1244
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: ego a few times in this conversation. It just shows

1245
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: me again and again and again the thing that gets

1246
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: in all of our ways is our ego. Ego stops

1247
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: you from being creative because you're scared of what your

1248
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: friends will think. That's ego. Ego stops you when you

1249
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 1: start thinking you're the man getting into America. And if

1250
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,439
Speaker 1: you would have acted in that way back at that guy,

1251
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: but you were like, no, no, no, I'm going to get better.

1252
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: I need more. I need to get more people to

1253
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: know my work. And then ego again could have stopped

1254
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: you from going. He's a little kid. What is he Noo,

1255
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm jas schwan like he's just everyone gives me CDs.

1256
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: It's so interesting just how we have to work against

1257
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: our ego constantly, and me against myself in and of itself,

1258
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: is actually us against our ego on a daily basis.

1259
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: That's the real battle. The real battle is us against

1260
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: our ego. It really is.

1261
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 2: It's so true, man, I think I think all of

1262
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 2: that ties in also bro so just keeping not just

1263
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 2: keeping your eyes open, right, but keeping your mind open.

1264
01:02:58,120 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 2: And the thing is, I always look at it like this.

1265
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 2: And self awareness is obviously something that you of course

1266
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 2: talk about a lot, and some people go their whole life, man,

1267
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 2: not being self aware, Okay, their whole life, I think

1268
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 2: very Fortunately for myself, I got it quite early on

1269
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 2: once I started this career, I kind of understood again

1270
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 2: just like standing out as the only brown dude, I

1271
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 2: was very self aware. I understood also understanding that when

1272
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 2: I came across those problems and those obstacles, I realized

1273
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 2: very quickly that my sense of humor was able to

1274
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 2: get me out of them rather than letting it destroy me.

1275
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 2: So rather than letting me go when someone says something

1276
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 2: dumb or something stupid or insensitive or culturally inappropriate. Instead

1277
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 2: of getting mad and causing an argument, I would use

1278
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 2: wit and intelligence to be able to get myself out

1279
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 2: of it. Now I realized what kind of person I

1280
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 2: was in this industry that I'm in, and this industry

1281
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 2: you know, as you know, it can be very, very fake.

1282
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 2: It can be very it's hard to find connections with

1283
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 2: certain people. But if you know who you are in

1284
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 2: that space, I think you're going that just you'll be

1285
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 2: okay through the highs and through the lows, do you

1286
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 2: know what I mean?

1287
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1288
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, I love what I love that you recognize that,

1289
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 2: because it's it's very true. If I wasn't open to

1290
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 2: the randomness and I wasn't open to the science, you.

1291
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: Just miss out. And I think about that, right, like,

1292
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 1: I think we all have to reflect on our own

1293
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: life and go where do we miss out on that randomness?

1294
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: Because we've started to think that things have to be

1295
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 1: formulaic or equations or perfectly fitting or coming from the

1296
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: right source. Like sometimes yes, you know, right, Like we

1297
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 1: always think, oh yeah, that business person will tell me

1298
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: the right thing, or that individual and it's like, well, no,

1299
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 1: there could be some random person in your family or

1300
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 1: your friends group who says one thing to you that

1301
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: actually shoots you off in an amazing direction. There was

1302
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to give a shout. Me and Jeremy had

1303
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: a call like this recently. So Jeremy said to me,

1304
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: he goes to me. He said to me, I just

1305
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: called I called him randomly. I was on a and

1306
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: I hadn't caught up with them for a while, so

1307
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 1: I'll call up Jeremy and we start having this phone call.

1308
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: And I had no agenda, there was no plan. It

1309
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: was just catching up with the mate. And he said

1310
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 1: to me random because Jay, I can't wait till you

1311
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: start a school. And I was like, dude, what are

1312
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: you talking about? Very Jeremy, Yeah, yeah, And I was like,

1313
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 1: first of all, Jeremy, I don't have kids, so I

1314
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 1: don't even know what school feels like for kids. Second

1315
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: of all, I feel really unqualified to start a school.

1316
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 1: I think it's actually very There needs to be a

1317
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: lot of research, There needs to be a lot of understanding,

1318
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: like dealing with kids' mind should be dealt with extremely

1319
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: delicately and thoughtfully. I don't think everyone should start schools. Thirdly,

1320
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: like sure, it's a nice idea, but like it's so

1321
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't. I've never even thought of that as

1322
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: even a concept in my life. But I answered all

1323
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: of that, and then immediately something came to my mind.

1324
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: I'd love to go and study the best schools on

1325
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: the planet. And I was like, I would love to

1326
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 1: actually go and understand not because I want to start

1327
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: a school, but because I would love to understand the

1328
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: human mind and what we're messing up that's creating kids

1329
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: who cause issues in the world versus kids that get

1330
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: it right. Now. There's lots of studies and research, but

1331
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 1: I would actually love to go and sit with parents

1332
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: and teachers. And I came back to my team the

1333
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: next day I was like, guys, I have to go

1334
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: and do this, and we have to document it and

1335
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: we have to get because not because I think there's

1336
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: content and I don't even know what I do with it.

1337
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: I just know that I would be fascinated if over

1338
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 1: the next five years I could understand more deeply how

1339
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 1: to build more compassionate children. Not because I want to

1340
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 1: start a school, not because I think I should. Random conversation.

1341
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 1: It's random conversation that my mate just said, I could

1342
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 1: be like, what does Jeremy know I've got a content,

1343
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: you know, I've got stuff going on. You know, he's nice.

1344
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: He thinks he wants me to start a school, but

1345
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 1: like that's it. But really it sparked, like genuinely, I

1346
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: can't tell you how much that idea is, Like you

1347
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 1: are captivated because I'm like, yeah, you know, I'd love

1348
01:06:55,320 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 1: to know how we build compassionate, empowered, confident children who

1349
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 1: change the world. I would love to understand that on

1350
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: a very deep, intimate and personal level. And so I

1351
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: started researching, like where are the best schools in the world,

1352
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: and like what are the schools that make the most

1353
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 1: creative kids? What are the school that make the most

1354
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 1: of this kids. So I'm like, I've got to go

1355
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: to the school in Spain. I've got to go to

1356
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: this girl. And I was like, amazing, travel now feels alive. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1357
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 1: It's not like I've got to jump on a plane

1358
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 1: to do tod It's like.

1359
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 2: It's and it's for a purpose and it's fun. It's

1360
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 2: something fun. And I think, really, what you're onto there,

1361
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 2: bro is is it's very easy to like sort of

1362
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 2: become complacent as well, like you go, this is what

1363
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 2: I do great studio at this time, I write a song, great,

1364
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. When do you find out if we've

1365
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 2: got if you're lucky enough to have another forty fifty

1366
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 2: years on this earth? Right, what's going to light us

1367
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 2: up that whole journey? What's And I think about that constantly.

1368
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 2: If I've already done this much, I have been lucky enough,

1369
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 2: blessed enough to have twenty years in the music industry,

1370
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 2: What am I going to do for the rest of

1371
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 2: my life? What's going to light me up? And I'm

1372
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 2: just gonna retire. I'm just gonna sit there lovely. I

1373
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 2: got my kids with my family and my wife. That's lovely.

1374
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 2: It's beautiful. But I'm not like that. I need something

1375
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 2: to fire me up. Yeah, do you know what I mean?

1376
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:11,919
Speaker 2: Which is like I said, why I did this thing,

1377
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 2: all of these different companies that I've created, But the

1378
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 2: biggest thing now that really lights me up, Jay, is

1379
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 2: seeing what's happening with this new generation of Asian artists.

1380
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 1: I was about to ask you it really is.

1381
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 2: It's crazy. Man. I I am, as you probably know,

1382
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 2: haven't done an album for a long time. Okay, a

1383
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 2: lot of people you man, when you're gonna do another album,

1384
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:38,640
Speaker 2: And you know what my answer always was, there's what

1385
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 2: I said, honestly, is what I used to say. Nobody

1386
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:44,799
Speaker 2: cares about an album anymore. They just want music content.

1387
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 2: If you, let's say your favorite arts, let's just say

1388
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 2: Drake for example. Let's just say you're waiting for a

1389
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 2: Drake album, and it's like a Guys, I'm gonna be

1390
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 2: back in three years. I'm gonna just work really hard

1391
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 2: on this in this day and age that we're in

1392
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 2: with our attention spans, ain't no, I'm waiting three years,

1393
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 2: which is why he could turn one out a year.

1394
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 2: But that's Drake. But people don't want to wait around.

1395
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 2: So I used to just said, I said, forget album.

1396
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:12,600
Speaker 2: That model is old. It's an old notion. I'll just

1397
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 2: keep giving you music. I'll just keep putting it up.

1398
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 2: It's on my Spotify, it's some Apple music. And I

1399
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 2: did that consistently for years, and through doing that, I

1400
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 2: sort of like, you know, just spend a lot of

1401
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 2: time on these streaming platforms. I started discovering all this music,

1402
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 2: which to me was reminiscent of what me and Rishi

1403
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 2: and JUGI were doing twenty years ago. So all of

1404
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 2: a sudden you had these kids from India singing in

1405
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 2: Punjubbi but they're singing over like a drill beat and

1406
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:48,759
Speaker 2: there's like an English vocal on there from some random artists.

1407
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 2: And I was like, this fusion stuff is happening again,

1408
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:54,679
Speaker 2: except this time it's happening with these twenty year old

1409
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 2: kids who are living in India, who have basically grown

1410
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 2: up with access to the Internet from the moment there born.

1411
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 2: They got this device. So yeah, of course they're listened

1412
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 2: to Bollyword and then listen to all this stuff, but

1413
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 2: they're also listening to Travis Scott and they're listening to

1414
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:12,600
Speaker 2: you know, and then Rihanna whatever it is. So that

1415
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 2: was us twenty years ago, and I, when I tell you,

1416
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 2: something happened inside me. It just started bubbling. I was like,

1417
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 2: I need to get in front of these kids. I

1418
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 2: need to soak up their energy. It's that youthful energy,

1419
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 2: that excitement because they're not jaded. They're not they haven't

1420
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 2: even stepped into the industry yet. They're just kids having fun.

1421
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 2: That's who I was twenty years ago, and it lit

1422
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 2: me up and I said to Jeremy, and of course

1423
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 2: it was the best news you ever heard. I was like, Jeremy,

1424
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 2: that's it decided. Man. He was like, you're what an album?

1425
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 2: I was like, yep, and we're going to India. That's

1426
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 2: why we're doing it. He's like, great, never been to India.

1427
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, this is going to be fun

1428
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 2: for you, bro.

1429
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 1: So we did.

1430
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 2: We went to India this year and I recorded three

1431
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 2: quarters of my album in India with these guys, these

1432
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 2: immenseally talented kids whose faces were just lit up from music.

1433
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 2: There was no journey, they hadn't even been on a

1434
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 2: journey yet. There were no obstacles, there was no problems,

1435
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 2: there were no highs and lows. It was just love

1436
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 2: for music. And this album for me, now, I'm so

1437
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 2: excited about it because again, it came from a place

1438
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 2: of joy and excitement, you know what I mean?

1439
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's so it's so interesting, how

1440
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 1: like even that with the going back to your Rocky

1441
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 1: story example, there's Rocky five where he trains Tommy Gunn Yeah,

1442
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 1: and it's like that whole feeling of he gets his

1443
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 1: enthusiasm back because he's back in there he's with a

1444
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:45,719
Speaker 1: young guy who reminds him of himself, and like, again,

1445
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 1: there's such a need for us to always go and

1446
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 1: be with the beginner again and go to the source again,

1447
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 1: and we miss out on that in life because the

1448
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: higher you get again, less randomness I means you spend

1449
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:00,680
Speaker 1: time with the same people. You're not spending time with

1450
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 1: the person who's at the grassroots, who's got their finger

1451
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 1: on the pulse. And all of a sudden again you're disconnected. Yeah,

1452
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 1: you're disconnected, Yeah, completely disconnected.

1453
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 2: And that's so right, man. I felt myself going. I

1454
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 2: felt like through through my journey and through twenty years.

1455
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,679
Speaker 2: You know what's really interesting is that it's very easy

1456
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 2: to age yourself out the game, right it is. And

1457
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 2: you know, I think it's funny. I don't know if

1458
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 2: you've ever too, if any of the other artists who

1459
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 2: you've had on your podcast I've ever talked about this

1460
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 2: ageism is a funny thing in the music Yeah, yeah,

1461
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 2: I think we are in the music industry. It's weird, right, Like,

1462
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 2: if you're an actor, it's brilliant. You just get to

1463
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 2: play older roles. Yeah, and sometimes they've become even better

1464
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 2: because they've been active for so many years and.

1465
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 1: Now right, well, now I feel like most like main

1466
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 1: the main actors like in movies are fifty years old, right,

1467
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 1: that's like the standard age if you actually checked their age.

1468
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really interesting. So in a way, the more

1469
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:55,639
Speaker 2: time you spend there, the more years you put into

1470
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 2: that craft will actually play off. I mean, let's say

1471
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 2: if I was a doctor right now, I'll probably be

1472
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:03,600
Speaker 2: a consultant within a few years. The more years you

1473
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 2: put in, you step up the ladder. And whereas music,

1474
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 2: it's like the more years you put in, it's like

1475
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 2: you're ending. You're going closer towards the finish line, and

1476
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 2: they're like, come mate, enough, now I get off stage.

1477
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 2: No one wants to see a fifty year old dancing around, right,

1478
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 2: And it's a very weird thing. If again, if I

1479
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 2: didn't have a sense of humor about that, I could

1480
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:23,680
Speaker 2: be like, who are you to tell me when to

1481
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 2: stop working? Who are you to tell me I'm too

1482
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 2: old to be on that stage? Who are you to

1483
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:32,799
Speaker 2: tell me that I have not done anything great since

1484
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 2: that song or this song? But I do understand, I

1485
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 2: do understand. It's kind of awkward and cringe worthy. At

1486
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 2: some point if you see some people who aren't self

1487
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 2: aware enough to understand that, Bro, maybe you shouldn't be

1488
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 2: dancing right now, go and sit on a stool. Make

1489
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:54,799
Speaker 2: the song acoustic, and let's just get that audience.

1490
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Being able to let go of a former

1491
01:13:58,120 --> 01:13:59,799
Speaker 1: identity that worked, Yeah.

1492
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 2: That's right. That's so interesting. And the thing is, quite

1493
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 2: often we're frozen in time. I'm frozen in time on

1494
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 2: those plaques in my house and in Jeremy's house, there's

1495
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 2: a baby face Jasehwan, And I look at him, and

1496
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 2: I see that young boy, and I see what he's achieved,

1497
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 2: and I'm proud of him. But I'm also very aware

1498
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 2: that maybe I don't want to keep doing this ten

1499
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 2: years down the line. Who knows, I mean, truth be told.

1500
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 2: I'm sure Snoop and all these guys said that they

1501
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:29,759
Speaker 2: wouldn't be rapping.

1502
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 1: I feel like your favorite artists redoing songs that are

1503
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 1: either nostalgic. I think nostalgia is such a big part

1504
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 1: of music, right, You listen to music to feel that

1505
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 1: way again. To me, exactly like.

1506
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 2: For me with us, she too.

1507
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 1: I don't think I should have made a load of

1508
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 1: new music in recently, it's like to me when he

1509
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 1: did You Remind Me, obviously, and there was this scene

1510
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 1: in that You Remind Me video where the song shuts off,

1511
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 1: but he's on that silhouette of that, you know, the

1512
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:58,759
Speaker 1: son's in the background, and he did that on stage

1513
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 1: and for me, I was just like, that's all I

1514
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: want to see because to me, it's like that is

1515
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 1: exactly where I was at sixteen. I remember trying to

1516
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 1: do the moves and failing exactly, and I still anything.

1517
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 1: I don't dance. Yeah, but that's the thing. And it's

1518
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 1: like if Eminem picks up a mike ever, I will

1519
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 1: be there. I will just sit and watch. I mean,

1520
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 1: I mean watching Beckham in his documentary Take three Kicks

1521
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 1: and Happily words, David Beckham play football any day of

1522
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 1: the week because there's there's a feeling there that you'll

1523
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:29,639
Speaker 1: never get because nostalgia is built that way. Nostalgia will

1524
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 1: never change. Like if you had a positive experience watching Rocky.

1525
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 1: I can still watch Rocky because me and my dad

1526
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 1: used to watch Rocky together, so it will never Rocky

1527
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 1: will never ever be old or boring for me because

1528
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 1: you know, I've watched Rocky a million times, Bro, every

1529
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,639
Speaker 1: word of all of them, even Rocky five, even though

1530
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 1: they say it's a bad one. I still love Rocky

1531
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 1: love it right.

1532
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 2: But Bro, you you bring up such a good point.

1533
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 2: It's such a true point. Yeah, which is why I mean,

1534
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 2: if you go to Vegas White why all of the

1535
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 2: biggest acts are noster I act. But they put you

1536
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:04,680
Speaker 2: in a place where you just feel they transport you

1537
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 2: back in time. What can ever transport you back in time?

1538
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 2: As well as music? Does you know where you were,

1539
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 2: what you were wearing, what girl you were dating? You

1540
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 2: know all of that stuff. You know, when you listen

1541
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 2: to a song, you know where you were, and it's

1542
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 2: a beautiful thing. But it's really funny. You reminded me

1543
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 2: of something when he said about the Rocky thing, right,

1544
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 2: and you were saying again just to go back to that.

1545
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,680
Speaker 2: The other day when I was watching a document his documentary,

1546
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 2: and I'm not not going to spoil anything for you.

1547
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 2: There's some of the scenes are in his house in LA.

1548
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:35,639
Speaker 2: You've probably been to his house.

1549
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:37,600
Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't. I've only met him once and

1550
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 1: he was amazing. Dude. Yeah, I've only met once and

1551
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 1: he's amazing.

1552
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 2: I hope. I'm so glad he lived up to what.

1553
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 2: But here's a guy who's been acting for what fifty

1554
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,600
Speaker 2: years now, fifty fifty years in the game, and what

1555
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 2: was his biggest breakthrough here? Rocky Rocky one biggest breakthrough here?

1556
01:16:57,240 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 2: But then fifty years of more films. Now, if Sylvester

1557
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:04,600
Speaker 2: Stallone is walking down Sunset Boulevard and me and my

1558
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 2: maid or whoever was there and they saw him, oh

1559
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 2: my god, or just any person sees him, what do

1560
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 2: you think he hears every day of his life? Your Rocky? Right,

1561
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 2: that's what we do. Now. He could take that in

1562
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 2: one of two ways, couldn't he. He could either go

1563
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 2: shut up, I've done like a hundred films what he

1564
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 2: keep going back to Rocky? Or he could go, yo,

1565
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:32,679
Speaker 2: I get it because I love Rocky too, and Rocky

1566
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 2: for me changed my life. And I know you guys

1567
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 2: love Rocky totally. And he took Rocky his baby that

1568
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 2: changed his whole life. And instead of rejecting it and

1569
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 2: going you remind me of the fact that maybe I've

1570
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 2: never topped you, instead of doing that, He's like, come here,

1571
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 2: I'll put a massive statue of myself as Rocky in

1572
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 2: my swimming pool in my house, and I will have

1573
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 2: all the Rocky memorabilia all around my house and I

1574
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 2: will embrace you and I will be grateful for you. Yeah,

1575
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 2: and that I really love that because I think the

1576
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 2: problem as artists is that sometimes we want to when

1577
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:11,679
Speaker 2: we do a show, right, people are waiting.

1578
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 1: Man.

1579
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 2: You go see Michael Jackson. It's Michael Jackson. He has

1580
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 2: some of the biggest best songs on planet Earth, one

1581
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 2: of the biggest pop stars that ever lived. What are

1582
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 2: people waiting for? And you want to see him do

1583
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 2: his dance and moonwalk and he's probably like, I'm Michael

1584
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 2: Jackson and that's what you're waiting for, bijeon.

1585
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 1: Oh great, of.

1586
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 2: Course they are, because that's why they fell in love

1587
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 2: with him, and that's why they fell in love with

1588
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 2: Rocky and they're the people who for me in American man,

1589
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 2: they fall in love with down. So when I do

1590
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 2: my shows and stuff like that, whatever it is, even

1591
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:50,919
Speaker 2: if I've got new songs, I'm not turning my concert

1592
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 2: into me. I'm not turning it into Hey, guys, I

1593
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:55,800
Speaker 2: know that you loads of songs that you guys want

1594
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:57,599
Speaker 2: to hear, but I'm actually gonna spend the next forty

1595
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,000
Speaker 2: five minutes singing my brand new album not doing it.

1596
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 2: They don't care because they don't know it. The show's

1597
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 2: for them.

1598
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right, It's such a good point. And I love

1599
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 1: this idea of you know, every we all and whether

1600
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 1: it's age, whether it's time, whether it's changes in life,

1601
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 1: there is a part of your identity where you have

1602
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 1: to shad, you have to let go, like everyone has

1603
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 1: to do that. And what's amazing is I actually saw

1604
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 1: what you just said you don't do happen recently. I

1605
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 1: won't name the aryst I'll tell you after it. I'll

1606
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 1: tell you after it. Right. So it comes on stage

1607
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:30,639
Speaker 1: and we're waiting for this song, right, waiting and he's

1608
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 1: he's the he's the first act before the main stage.

1609
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 1: But it's still an artist that I love, and I'm

1610
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 1: waiting for the song. The beat comes on and we're

1611
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 1: all there and yes, like me and Radi and our

1612
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:43,599
Speaker 1: friends that we went, we're really excited. And then ten

1613
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 1: seconds into the track they cut the beat and he goes,

1614
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 1: you think I'm going to do that? Here he goes,

1615
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:50,560
Speaker 1: you think I'm going to give you that alsong? He

1616
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:52,599
Speaker 1: goes in Oh, thirty years of songs to give you,

1617
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 1: and then he goes plays all these songs that we

1618
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 1: didn't recognize and he actually did that, and it was like,

1619
01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 1: I was like, you just took away my moment, Bro.

1620
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:02,720
Speaker 1: I wanted you to do that song. Not because I'm

1621
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: limiting you, not because I think you have no other hits.

1622
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: You actually a really talented but that song is so

1623
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 1: special and iconic. Yeah, that I need to hear it.

1624
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 2: I need to hear it.

1625
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 1: And I felt like ten seconds of it was all

1626
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:16,559
Speaker 1: he gave us. And then and then he never went

1627
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 1: back to it, and I thought, oh, maybe he gave

1628
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 1: it ten seconds, he'll go back set finished. Didn't get it,

1629
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 1: you know. And that's exactly that feeling.

1630
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 2: Of our own stuff.

1631
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,759
Speaker 1: But you're saying we're dealing with that. We're all dealing

1632
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 1: with that. We all have a trapped identity somewhere. All

1633
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 1: of us have what you're saying somewhere, and somehow we're

1634
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 1: actually mad at it, right, it's annoyed by it rather

1635
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 1: than welcoming and embracing it. And I think about that,

1636
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 1: it's been ten years since I left the monastery. I'm

1637
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 1: a very different externally, a very different person. Today, I'm married, businesses,

1638
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,639
Speaker 1: we have you know, media, we change where we live,

1639
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 1: like so many things. But in my heart, I'm the

1640
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 1: same person. I'm a very different Externally, my life has

1641
01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 1: different things. Of course I've changed. People change to me,

1642
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 1: they've changed, but I embraced that experience. It's a massive

1643
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 1: part of me. But I found that whether you embrace

1644
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:09,599
Speaker 1: or reject, people always have an issue with it because

1645
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense to them if it doesn't fit

1646
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:15,720
Speaker 1: into their version of how they perceive you. It's complicated,

1647
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 1: and I think for me, I've I've learned to accept

1648
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 1: that I need to give myself permission to be who

1649
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 1: I am today, to be who I was ten years

1650
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 1: ago and who I will be ten years from now,

1651
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 1: and I promise you it won't be the same. And

1652
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 1: I need to give myself permission to allow that. And

1653
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 1: I think we when you see, like you said, when

1654
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 1: you see silves and give himself permission, I was. We

1655
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,640
Speaker 1: had Arnold Schwarzninger on the podcast. He's the same. He

1656
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 1: has he has the original Terminator outfit in his place,

1657
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 1: he has alien, he has everything, and he loves it

1658
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 1: like he really loves it. And I love him for

1659
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,640
Speaker 1: it because I'm like, yeah, bro, you to you of

1660
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 1: course you should. You crushed it and you're not trying.

1661
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 1: He's not trying to be determinator anymore. He's not trying

1662
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 1: to be But he loves it. He loves was doing

1663
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 1: we want. My social media manager asked him a question

1664
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 1: on the way out, and they said, do you have

1665
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 1: any last words? And you're like, I'll be bad, you know, like, oh,

1666
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 1: he loves it, and I love it, and I love

1667
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:09,760
Speaker 1: it and.

1668
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:11,639
Speaker 2: Give him what they want.

1669
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love him for it. And he's not

1670
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 1: he's not disingenuous, he's not inauthentic, he's not stuck in

1671
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 1: the past. He's a really he was great to chat to.

1672
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 1: And so yeah, man, all these people were talking about

1673
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 1: but Jay, I could talk to you for hours. I

1674
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:27,959
Speaker 1: think we have. Yeah, we have been. I could genuinely

1675
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 1: talk to you guys, and I love this and I

1676
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 1: think we've What I love about this conversation, genuine is

1677
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 1: I feel like we've drawn like you pulled out Rocky,

1678
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 1: and I think because we have that, we we've drawn

1679
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 1: this really nice arc and narrative for people. And I

1680
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 1: hope everyone who's listening and watching this I really hope

1681
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 1: that you find your own rocky journey, like genuinely in

1682
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:47,599
Speaker 1: your own way as you've seen mirrored in your life

1683
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 1: that you've shared so wonderfully today. But Jay, we end

1684
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 1: every episode with a final five or the Fast five.

1685
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 1: Jay Sean Dizzi your Fast five. The first question is

1686
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 1: what is the best advice you've ever heard or received?

1687
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 2: Spend so much time on self improvement that you have

1688
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 2: no time to criticize. Others love it.

1689
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 1: That is great advice and no one's ever said it

1690
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 1: on the show. Second question, what is the worst advice

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01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:11,599
Speaker 1: you've ever heard or received?

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01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 2: It sounds so stupid, but it's like when you get

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01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:17,600
Speaker 2: the big money, nobody told me how to spend it

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01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,720
Speaker 2: or invest it? So great point, right, And nobody told

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01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 2: me anyway about that go buy some houses instead of like,

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01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 2: you know, wasting on stuff like that. So I wish

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01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 2: I actually got some advice on that how to manage money.

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01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good, that's good. I hope, I hope all Yeah,

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01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 1: I hope everyone is coming into new money is hearing that?

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01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:40,480
Speaker 1: Question Number three, what has been the gift of parenting

1701
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:43,599
Speaker 1: that you didn't expect? Because I know you're a great dad, and.

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01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 2: That is no longer. The world is no longer about me,

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01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 2: My job is no longer about me, My life is

1704
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 2: no longer about me. It's all about It's all for

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01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:53,840
Speaker 2: my kids. All of this now is for my kids.

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01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 2: And it's the most beautiful thing. Is there's nothing more

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01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 2: that grounding. You know, then when you can be a

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01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 2: pop star and famous around the world, but you come

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01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 2: home and you're just daddy. It really is the cutest.

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Speaker 1: Question Number four, What is the thing that surprised you

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01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 1: most about the music industry in twenty years?

1712
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 2: How much how much of a change technology would have

1713
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 2: on it. It's literally flipped it on its head. It

1714
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:21,599
Speaker 2: is a totally different animal. There's one hundred and twenty

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01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:25,719
Speaker 2: thousand new songs that come out every day now every day,

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01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 2: every day, one hundred and twenty thousand new songs come out.

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01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 2: So you imagine trying to put get yours is just

1718
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:34,519
Speaker 2: a needle in a haystack. And so many people can

1719
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 2: be independent. You could do whatever you want. Don't need

1720
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:38,559
Speaker 2: that big record deal anymore. Although I do have a

1721
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:42,679
Speaker 2: record company that I've started for South Asian Talent that

1722
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 2: that's my way of giving back.

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01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 1: I'm so excited about that.

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01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, and that's what I want to use all

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01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 2: of my twenty years for.

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01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 1: Bro.

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01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 2: All of my experience is to now pass it on

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01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 2: to the next generation. So I have experienced it, I

1729
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 2: know all about it now, so now it's my turn

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01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 2: to be able to help other people through.

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01:24:57,560 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 1: I love that you're doing that as well, because I

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01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:02,919
Speaker 1: think there's your need for that support. I was probably

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01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:05,719
Speaker 1: the two you know, I was the guy watching jump

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01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 1: off but too scared to go on. Right, that's it,

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01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:08,720
Speaker 1: you know, I.

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Speaker 2: Know you love.

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01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 1: I think the age, but but no that idea of

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01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 1: like there's just I think there's any I'm so happy

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01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:19,679
Speaker 1: that you're doing that. Honestly, when I heard about that,

1740
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 1: that was amazing. And so Sata can't come to the event.

1741
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 1: I was on a plane. I was out of town.

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01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 1: Fifth and final question, if you could create one law

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01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:30,599
Speaker 1: that everyone in the world had to follow, what would

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01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 1: it be?

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01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 2: The obvious thing for me to think that the world

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01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:38,479
Speaker 2: is missing right now is kindness. So what if there

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01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 2: was a law that every person that you meet you

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01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 2: had to do a kind act. But if there was

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01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 2: a law that you had to do one random act

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01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 2: of kindness a day and I think that could go

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01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 2: on to make the world a better place.

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01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:54,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would beauty, I think so. I love it.

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01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 2: Even if you didn't want to do it, if it

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01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 2: was a law and you knew you had to do

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01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:59,080
Speaker 2: a random act of kindness for somebody, that could have

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01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:00,160
Speaker 2: a knock on effect.

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Speaker 1: Because it would make you do it even end of

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01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:03,760
Speaker 1: the day, like you exact figure it out. Yeah, I

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01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 1: love it, Jay, Sean. Everyone, I'm so grateful Jay, thank

1760
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 1: you so much for coming on.

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01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 2: Thank you bro, thank you for having me.

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01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:10,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, this is so much fun.

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01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 2: I knew it would be. I mean, it would be

1764
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:13,800
Speaker 2: yapping on for hours. I don't even know how long.

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01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'd have to ask these guys. But no,

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Speaker 1: that was awesome man. Thank you so excited for people

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01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 1: to continue to listen to your new album on Spotify?

1768
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 1: And where do you Where do you like as an

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01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:25,560
Speaker 1: Actually that's a great question as a musician. Where do

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01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:27,680
Speaker 1: you like people to discover your work? Now?

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01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 2: Well, the streaming obviously, the streaming platforms is where it's

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01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 2: all at, right, so everybody knows that whatever they have

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01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 2: a favorite stream but whatever you like it will obviously

1774
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 2: be up on there. But really, Also, I love being

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01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 2: on TikTok man.

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01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 1: I know you do.

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01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:43,519
Speaker 2: You know, TikTok for me is actually a really cathartic

1778
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:46,679
Speaker 2: tool because it allows me to my silly, goofy sense

1779
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 2: of humor I allowed. It allows me to just be

1780
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 2: a human being rather than just an artist. So yeah,

1781
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 2: if you guys want to just follow me on TikTok,

1782
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 2: it's just at jay Sean and all all of the

1783
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:57,639
Speaker 2: usual stuff is very easy. It's just at Jayshan everywhere.

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01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, man, brother, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Fun man ma man, if you love this episode, you'll

1786
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:07,639
Speaker 1: really enjoy my episode with Selena Gomez on befriending your

1787
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:11,680
Speaker 1: inner critic and how to speak to yourself with more compassion.

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01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 2: My fears are only going to continue to show me

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01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 2: what I'm capable of. The more that I face my fears,

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01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:22,679
Speaker 2: the more that I feel I'm gaining strength, I'm gaining wisdom,

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Speaker 2: and I just want to keep doing that.