1 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Really really. 2 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 2: Look at this now, Timpton, Jesus, Oh do you want about. 3 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 3: Using will be. 4 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 4: For? 5 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 5: It's time to be. 6 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're feeling what I'm feeling. 7 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 6: Friday, November fifteenth, twenty twenty four. You ain't got shit 8 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 6: to do but to sit here and get face f'd 9 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 6: by the best damn combat sports show period and one 10 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 6: a wild weekend to be hosting Morning Combat. It's Mike Tyson, 11 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 6: John Jones. Tomorrow Steve Pay's gonna get out of the 12 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 6: wheelchair and fight again. 13 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 4: What time? 14 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 6: I'm Brian Campbell BC with that BDE. They call me 15 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 6: the Alpha around here, but only among Americans. 16 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,559 Speaker 7: Apparently. That man next to me is. 17 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 6: Luke Thomas, DC's finest Luke. 18 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 7: How the hell are you? 19 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 6: I want to go on record and say, I'm not complaining. 20 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 6: One of the busiest work fight weeks I've had in 21 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 6: a long ass time, working noon to night, all around 22 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 6: the clock. How are you feeling as we get closer 23 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:39,199 Speaker 6: to the big ones this weekend? 24 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: I'm feeling okay. I mean, I don't really know what 25 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: the hell's gonna happen tonight except probably craziness, probably sadness, 26 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: But there's no one talking about it. Serrano Taylor two 27 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: is also tonight, so that should be a blast. Like 28 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a big weekend one way or the other. 29 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a big weekend. 30 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 6: To be fair, nobody's talking at all about what is 31 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 6: a really good Latin night card. And read that Golden 32 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 6: boy in Turkey Ella Shake's putting on tomorrow for free 33 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 6: on his own, So it's a it's a really big deal. 34 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 7: And that one's under the radar completely. 35 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: Who is who is Zerdo Ramirez fighting? 36 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 6: He's fighting Chris Billum Smith in a cruiserweight unification. You 37 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 6: got Jose Ramirez against Arnold Barbosa, you got William Zepeda 38 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 6: against Tevin Farmer. There's some good, pretty good matchups up 39 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 6: and down on that card, but we won't be talking 40 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 6: about it much, Luke, because. 41 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 7: There's a lot going on. 42 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 6: So speaking of a lot going on, we got a 43 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 6: lot going on today, We obviously are gonna set the 44 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 6: stage preview picks for all things UFC three oh nine, 45 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 6: Tyson Paul, not just the Serrano Taylor to Comayne, how 46 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 6: about that Chandler versus OLIVERA two Colemayne and schedule your 47 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 6: clocks twelve Eastern today, on this show on behalf of 48 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 6: DraftKings Showtime. 49 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 7: Sean Porter gonna join us. 50 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 6: As we try to make sense of how to bet 51 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:59,119 Speaker 6: Tyson Paul and talk about everything else going on under 52 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 6: the sun in the world. We'll have a little bit 53 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 6: of fan subs and also dead wrong, So don't forget 54 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 6: our email address to reach the show Morning Kombat at 55 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 6: gmail dot com. You can follow us at these social 56 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 6: links right here. Follow the show at Morning Combat. Follow 57 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 6: our illustrious YouTube channels from Luke Thomas to the Brian 58 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 6: Campbell Experience. How about that damn main card minute starring 59 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 6: Luke Nocita. That's what I'm talking about. Let's bring in 60 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 6: Long Island Luke for a quick sec. 61 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 7: L I L how the hell are you? 62 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 6: He's the third member of our team. 63 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 8: Sorry, boys, I'm slow today, a little behind the wheel. 64 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: That happens when you're high. 65 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, stuff happens. We don't have fan subs today, BC. 66 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 4: We don't lie to the people. No. 67 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 7: I guess I heard we had two of them, all right, 68 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 7: I guess. 69 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 6: I like, yeah, just just you know, wear a tight 70 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 6: T shirt of ours and take a picture of your 71 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 6: wife and hopefully we won't say anything. 72 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 7: Negative. Sorry, soel, sorry about that? All right? Yeah, l 73 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 7: I L. Are you fired up for this or not? 74 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 7: Not at all? 75 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: Yeah? 76 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 8: Not so much tonight. 77 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 4: I mean I will be doing a watch along tonight, 78 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 4: but tomorrow I'm definitely fired up. 79 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 8: Not the best card top to bottom. 80 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 4: But we were talking earlier, like my boy Wideman's fighting 81 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 4: shout out Long Island. 82 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 8: You know, gotta be repping him. So I'm looking forward 83 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 8: to it. 84 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 6: Chris Widman is still your boy, indeed, no doubt about it. 85 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 7: Thank you very much, man card min. 86 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 6: It going to hit you hard this weekend too, Luke, 87 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 6: anything you want to talk about personal going on? Have 88 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 6: you been manscaping anything new in your life? 89 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if I've been. I've been manscaping recently. No, 90 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: just oh you know what, how about this BC. You're 91 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: the painter of the two of us, right, I think 92 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: it's a fair way to put it on arties at all. 93 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 7: Yeah. 94 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: Tuki Tuki painted me something yesterday and I think it's 95 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: hearts and then vegetation and then some other stuff. Give me, 96 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: give me, you know, hey, be gentle, be gentle. But 97 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: this is what Tuky painted me. What do you think? 98 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 7: Oh? 99 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 6: Look at tuks getting out there and getting creative. 100 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 7: I love that. Did you say there was vegetation like 101 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 7: marijuana leaves or no? 102 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: You know, I don't think so. I think this is 103 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: supposed sorry, this supposed to be a tree. These are bushes, 104 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: three hearts, and I think that's supposed to be a lollipop. 105 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 6: But it's so beautiful. I love when the kids do 106 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 6: stuff like that. 107 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 7: Shout out to Tukes. 108 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 6: But it would have been awesome if if you know, 109 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 6: you were like, Tukes, what is this green thing? 110 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 7: And she's like, you know, cannabis? Dad? You know you 111 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 7: all right? I learned it by watching you. 112 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: Okay, the thing you smell like when you come out 113 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: of your own bathroom? Oh oh that thing? Okay? 114 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 3: Yes? 115 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 6: Uh, Luke, will you have around the clock programming on 116 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 6: the Luke Thomas YouTube channel this weekend? 117 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna, I mean, I don't know what the 118 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: hell is gonna happen tonight, but we're gonna watch it together. 119 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: Whoever wants to join me, you can do that. I'm 120 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: gonna skip the first fight on the card. I'm gonna 121 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tune in, dude, is it what I'm talking about? 122 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 8: Like? 123 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: Tyson Paul is obviously what no one else can talk 124 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: about anything else, to the point where even Katie Taylor 125 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: and Serrano is being overlooked. Mario bors Marios is on 126 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: this card as well, like holy crap, like that is 127 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: a shoeshoes on the card, so like it there's actually 128 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: some like legit thing on this card. And then the 129 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: main event is just the weirdest thing we've ever seen. 130 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll be doing that tonight, and then of 131 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: course three o nine, I'll we'll start at Comaine, Maine, 132 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: and then we'll transition into a post fight. 133 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 6: We're gonna talk about the slap heard around the world 134 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 6: when Jake Paul stepped on Mike Mike Tyson's shoeless toes yesterday. 135 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 6: But we've got a lot to get into about UFC 136 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 6: three oh nine, and just a second reminder Sean Porter 137 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 6: later in the show. But let's get right into it. 138 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 6: Let's dive in. It is UFC three oh nine this Saturday, 139 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 6: MSG NYC. It matters, or least it used to. But 140 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 6: to the credit of the UFC, as much as like 141 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 6: we've maligned or groaned at the idea of John versus 142 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 6: Stepe a year later, we begetting a lot of mileage 143 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 6: in the headlines over it, only not for the actual fight. 144 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 6: Our first topic surrounds John Jones is very busy and 145 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 6: wild week back in the media cycle, just his second 146 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 6: fight in five years, and from a lengthy sit down 147 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 6: at media Day on Wednesday where John defended himself at 148 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 6: length over all things, Tom aspinall and beyond. But I 149 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 6: couldn't help but notice his story changing a lot minute 150 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 6: to minute, through him walking off in interview, through what 151 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 6: we saw in last night's press conference, Luke, I want 152 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 6: to set you up like, this is John Jones a goat. Yes, 153 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 6: he's been acting a little bit like a duck too 154 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 6: some thing. He's been acting a little bit like a 155 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 6: bach with respect to the greatest fighter we've ever seen 156 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 6: as well. How would you sum up what we learned 157 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 6: from John Jones this week? 158 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: Well, he did weigh in. He looked pretty great on 159 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: the scales. I think, all things being what they are, 160 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: I think he wighed in approximately two thirty seven long 161 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: on Luke, If I got that wrong, by all means, 162 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: chime in. I think right around that mark seven to 163 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: thirty seven and a half, so he looked pretty good. 164 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: I think in general, it's not all that dissimilar from 165 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: the John Jones that we've come to know over the years. 166 00:07:58,120 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: The thing that stands out to me, BC is that 167 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: I feel like he walked into fight week kind of 168 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: under the assumption that he was going to be treated 169 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: as like, yes, you've ever seen like guys who go 170 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: like soldiers, marines, whoever they go to they go deploy overseas, 171 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: and then then when they come back home they're like 172 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: received as heroes or whatever. I think he felt like 173 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: he was going to walk into fight week and be 174 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: treated like that, and it didn't quite go exactly like that. 175 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: And now I want to be clear, John's still very popular. 176 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: There are a huge amount of people who still want 177 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: to see him fight. There's a giant fan base who 178 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 1: of course likes him. Like none of that is in 179 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: any way wrong or I'm trying to challenge it, but 180 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: he tried to define this narrative about what was going 181 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: to happen after this and to try and like really 182 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: put it out in the media. And I know some 183 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: folks think he's doing that because he has all the 184 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: intentions in the world of taking a tom aspinall fight 185 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: and is to drive up the price. I really don't 186 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: buy that. I think that there obviously there is some 187 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 1: level of public jockeying, but the way in which he 188 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: has gone about it, and then refusing to sit down 189 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: with Adam Caterroll and all those things that were called 190 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: on camera, it's all kind of served to kind of 191 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: like backfire a little bit. It's made the Aspinall fight 192 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: very high value, and to the point where Aspinall was 193 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: getting who wasn't even in attendance at the postfight press 194 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:13,959 Speaker 1: car or eceue me the pre fight press conference. He 195 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: wasn't allowed, but the audience was chanting Tommy, Tommy. It 196 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: was it was kind of a remark. 197 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 7: I about that pop. 198 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 6: I mean, I was at the UFC two o five 199 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 6: press conference when Connor came in late with the fur 200 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 6: code and he was ragging on Eddie and the it 201 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 6: was so loud you could not hear yourself. Ask a question, 202 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 6: have you heard an ovation at a presser as loud 203 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 6: as what the fans gave Tom Aspinall. When Dana came 204 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 6: to the podium and said, no matter what the winner 205 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 6: of Jones, Aspinall is expected to fight out or Stepe 206 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 6: is expected to fight Aspitall next, Dude, the crowd went sick. 207 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: They went bananas. They went bananas because I've tried to 208 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: make this point. It's not just important for the division. 209 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: And again, John can retire and that he can call 210 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: it a career, and that's his right, and of course 211 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 1: he has a right to seek out whatever fights he wants. 212 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: But the problem is the against Aspinall is important for 213 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: the heavyweight division, it's important for the title. We've made 214 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: this argument a million times the PC. It's just a 215 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: better fight, it's a more competitive fight. I look this 216 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: up in certain places, and of course this could all 217 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: change between now and whenever, But in certain places, John 218 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: is more favored to beat Poeton than he is Steepe, 219 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: and he's in certain places a minus seven hundred favorite 220 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 1: against Steepe. By contrast, in certain places, Aspinall is now 221 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: favored to beat John. 222 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 9: Now. 223 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's actually a fair recitation or 224 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: a fair examination of what would happen, or a prelude 225 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: to it. I think it'd be. I think it's a 226 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: fifty to fifty fight, but I think it's dawning on 227 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: people that it is fifty to fifty fight, that it 228 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: is a big fight, that it would sell that people 229 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: do want to see it and it would be interesting. 230 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: All those things kind of matter, and it just made 231 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 1: this fight week. Dude, where has Stepe been? Where has 232 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: he been? There's been no conversation about him? 233 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 7: No, I hear you, I hear you. Look, I think 234 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 7: you nailed something I fully agree with. 235 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 6: It's as if John entered this fight week in this 236 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 6: return to the media cycle. And remember, he's been very 237 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 6: reclusive the last five years outside of coming back for 238 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 6: Cirrial Gone. You'll see him in the past post you know, 239 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 6: social media videos and we'll talk about it, but you're 240 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 6: not seeing him out there on the regular giving lengthy interviews. 241 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 7: And we got that this week. 242 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 6: He just looked unprepared that the aspinal topic would have 243 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 6: meant this much legs to it. 244 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 7: He seemed unprepared. 245 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 6: I don't know, maybe what you're saying that anyone would 246 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 6: do anything but what Dana has done, which is overly 247 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 6: philate him prop up his ego, be like, here comes 248 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 6: the Palm for pound number one the go I mean, 249 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 6: they introduced him at the press conference as the pow 250 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 6: for pound number one best fighter in the world, even 251 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 6: though the UFC actual rankings. Don't you know, don't show that. 252 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 6: So it's as if from the weird thing with Stepe 253 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 6: over the use of the word bitch, through you know, 254 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 6: him refusing to shake hands after the press conference, which 255 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 6: may have just been John trying to pick up on 256 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 6: a grudge Michael Jordan last Stand style and just hold 257 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 6: on it. But it seemed like Jones was so unprepared 258 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 6: for what could happen that I think that's why he 259 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 6: had been changing the narrative so regularly, almost desperately. And 260 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 6: what do I mean by that? That lengthy chat he 261 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 6: gave on Wednesday, if you recall, it started with him 262 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 6: reviewing the bullet points of why Tom is just not 263 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 6: a big enough name to warrant his time. He said, look, 264 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 6: if we're in the same business setting, Tom would never 265 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 6: even have FaceTime with me, because that's how where. 266 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 7: I am and where he's at. 267 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 6: But the more John gave reasons or excuses, it became 268 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 6: so easy to pick it apart. He's like, everybody just 269 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 6: wants to see me finally be competitive against somebody after 270 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 6: sixteen years. It's like, John, you kind of ran out 271 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 6: at in the two zero five division in twenty twenty 272 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 6: after back to back very competitive fights with Meheta and Reyes. 273 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 6: Then you sat out three years and in Gon Who's prime. 274 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 6: Then you come back after and Gon who leaves. And 275 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 6: for all the talk he says about if I beat Asthmaal, 276 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 6: it's going to be just like when I beat Gone, 277 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 6: where everybody said coming in that Gon was this killer, 278 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 6: they weren't saying that John Gon had lost to a 279 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 6: one legged Francis and Ganhu, and then he went into 280 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 6: a fight. He was a monster favorede against Tuivasa and 281 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 6: he was kind of lucky to get out of there 282 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 6: in an absolute war. So I felt John was almost 283 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 6: like so far behind the eight ball of like thinking 284 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 6: that anyone might fact check him or counter him. 285 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 7: That I don't know if you heard this, Luke. 286 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 6: On Wednesday, he went from Tom's not on my level, 287 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 6: We're not going to do this, to oh, maybe I 288 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 6: was wrong. 289 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 7: Tom is deserving of this, but I would just. 290 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 6: Really prefer Poeton and it's either Alex Perero or I retire. 291 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 6: But then he changed his story again a couple of 292 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 6: minutes later, when he talked to Aaron Bronsteater and talked 293 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,479 Speaker 6: about I only want super fights. 294 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 7: From now on, And suddenly he's bringing up. 295 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 6: Jamal Hill and Derek Lewis and then Luke on top 296 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 6: of that, his final question Bretto Komodo asked him, and 297 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 6: we have footage of it. He changed his tune on 298 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 6: aspinall all over again. Let's listen to John responding here 299 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 6: to Brett a esp. 300 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: They see it as like this great challenge. 301 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 10: They want to see greatness challenge, Like does that does 302 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 10: that entice you at all? 303 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 3: Still, there's a part of it that does. 304 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 11: But if I'm being completely honest, I feel like Tom's 305 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 11: been such an asshole that I don't want to do 306 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 11: business with him. 307 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 3: You know. 308 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 11: It's just like his fans have been so annoying, but 309 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 11: he's just an asshole with you know, he's thirty, so 310 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 11: he's from this influencer generation where you hop online and 311 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 11: the T shirt sells and all that. 312 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 3: I'm past that type of stuff. 313 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 11: I'm like, bro, if you had a little bit more respect, 314 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 11: then maybe we could have worked something out, you know, 315 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 11: But I just don't. 316 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 3: I just don't even want to do business with him. 317 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 11: You know, at the end of the day, this is 318 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 11: a business, and fighting me gives him an opportunity. 319 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 3: To change his life forever. 320 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 11: And I don't even want to give him the opportunity, 321 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 11: Like he just played his cards around with me personally, 322 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 11: the press conference, going through the whole shi bang with him, 323 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 11: I just I'd rather not do. 324 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 7: So, Look, what is it is he deserving? Not deserving? 325 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 6: Because John said five minutes before he said that, he said, 326 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 6: I have absolutely nothing again Tom, I wish him the 327 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 6: best in his career. And then like a couple of 328 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 6: minutes later, it's like, no, Tom's an asshole? 329 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 7: What is it, Luke? Which is it? 330 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 8: John? 331 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: Listen? I know that you have done I have done 332 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: my fair share of stupid things, and I know that 333 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: you probably have as well. And there's probably been a 334 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: time or two where you got caught red handed, but 335 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: you didn't want to admit it. You played like like me. 336 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: You probably did the whole shaggy bit. It wasn't me 337 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: over and over again, but you ever tried to like 338 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: got Tohn camera, Luke, Okay, they got me banging on 339 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: the bathroom floor, but that wasn't me. But in all seriousness, 340 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: if you try, if you get caught in a lie, 341 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: for example, and then you really try to defend it, 342 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: and then you just you can't do it, and you're 343 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: ending up saying like a series of absurd, nonsensical things 344 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: like and it comes crashing down because of course that's 345 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: what's happening. Like, you can't defend what happened or your 346 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: proximity to it, or whatever the case may be, so 347 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: you have to construct a series of other things around 348 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: it to kind of make sense. But you can bungle 349 00:15:58,240 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: that because you haven't thought it through, because it's not 350 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: it didn't actually happen, and it all just looks kind 351 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: of silly, like, of course he's saying silly ass things 352 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: because what he's actually trying to do. Listen, outside of 353 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: the cage, John makes really bad decisions right like he 354 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:21,359 Speaker 1: has notoriously makes just like the worst decisions, almost imaginable sometimes. 355 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: But inside the cage and as an athlete, I do 356 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: think he understands himself very well, and I do think 357 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: he has very high fine IQ. He makes good decisions there. 358 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: It's his blessing and his curse. What I mean to 359 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: say is, in that sense, he is not a dumb guy, 360 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: and I think he realizes he's probably lost a step, 361 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: maybe a step or two, and he kind of wants 362 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: to manage the risk from here on out. Based on 363 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: what he's built up and based on what he can 364 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: actually do right now, which of course is not crazy. 365 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: But there's ways to kind of handle that, to mitigate 366 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: how it's influenced or what kind of influence you can exert. 367 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: And he went the opposite way, like, oh, Tom's been 368 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: an asshole. First of all, that there's no evidence that 369 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 1: that is even remotely fucking true. But beyond that, even 370 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: if it was, like what would you call the ascendancy 371 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: of Connor McGregor bowing his head and knee to power, 372 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: he did the opposite, and that's what shot him. It's 373 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: the fight game. Being a dick is how you get paid. 374 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: What are we even talking about here? To the point 375 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: you raised, to the point to the point you raised, 376 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: he's saying this and saying that, and saying this. He's 377 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: he can't keep his story straight because the one true 378 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 1: story that he wants to tell, that's the one he's 379 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: can't tell the public. So he has to just make 380 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 1: it up on the fly, on all those other things, 381 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 1: and that's how we got here. 382 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 6: He talked about, why does everybody want me to face 383 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 6: the guy seven years younger? Hey, John, you were seven 384 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 6: years younger than showgun when that legend gave you a chance, 385 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 6: and all those other legends did right after. And then 386 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 6: look even mentioned being thirty pounds lighter than than Aspinall, 387 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 6: even though John weighed five pounds less than Aspinall did 388 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 6: in his last fight. When John waidn't get serial, We're free. 389 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 6: I know John wadeenn't lighter for this fight, but it's like, 390 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 6: it's maddening. And if you want to say, well, maybe 391 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 6: Tom was an asshole, let's go back to July. Here's 392 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 6: Tom in the cage at UFC three or four. 393 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 8: Hello Jones. 394 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 6: I have nothing against you personally, but I just think 395 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 6: I'm better than you. 396 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 8: I just know I can be and I find I'm coming. 397 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 7: From I mean, what the water weed? Dude? 398 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,479 Speaker 1: Do you remember? Do you remember at the height of 399 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: the Jones DC battling that Jones took to Instagram one time? 400 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 1: I actually have it on my phone. I found it 401 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: where on Instagram he put up a post and the 402 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: caption of the post was, DC, I could slap your 403 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: wife on the ass and there's nothing you could do 404 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: about it. Oh shit, Like it's like, what the fuck 405 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: are we even talking about? 406 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 7: Talk about John's kids? If that's what you're about to do. 407 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: And the best part is actually found me Ochi's comments 408 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: about that. He didn't What he said is my are 409 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: not going to look up to me in any kind 410 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: of messed up way. He never mentioned John's children as such. 411 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just all completely phony, Like it's totally nonsensical, irrelevant, 412 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: you know, misleading, gas lighting, bullshit. Is the end of 413 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: the story. He wants to mitigate risk, which is not 414 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: a crazy thing, but he's trapped in a position where 415 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 1: it's not really a thing that's going to be super 416 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: available to him, and he doesn't know how to wiggle 417 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: his way out of it. That's I wish. 418 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 6: I know he's still with the fixer, that lady Luke 419 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 6: that was around him at UFC two hundred. I just 420 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 6: wish they had some pr plan entering this week because 421 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 6: everyone thinks, oh, you and Luke want to just keep 422 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 6: dunking on John. 423 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 7: You hate him. 424 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 6: Oh this goes back to Luke at UFC two to 425 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 6: fourteen press conference, even though I think, didn't John jump 426 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 6: on your Instagram this week and kind of come after 427 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 6: you again? Yeah, he called me a nerd, So it's 428 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 6: like that's not actually it We just want John to 429 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 6: like tell the truth or his truth, and not constantly 430 00:19:55,160 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 6: be talking in such unnecessary circles. That's not not what 431 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 6: a goat does, right, Like, Like, look, I've said this 432 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 6: and I mean it. 433 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 7: If he just came out and said, look, I'm not 434 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 7: talking about any. 435 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 6: Other fighters, let's get through Stepe and we'll talk about 436 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 6: it on Saturday night, we probably would stop talking about it. 437 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 6: But it's John that did a disservice to himself, his 438 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 6: own you know, legacy or image or whatever by kind 439 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 6: of stepping in all these puddles that he created for himself. 440 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 6: So here's the after this media sit down where he 441 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 6: had a scheduled interview with Adam Caterall of TNT Sports. 442 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 6: And I know people are saying, well, should we bring 443 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 6: up aspinall every question when Jones is fighting Stepe? Yeah, 444 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 6: when Jones is answering the questions the way he is, 445 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 6: and other people say, wasn't caterall boys with Aspinall? 446 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 7: He might be. 447 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 6: But if we're gonna rail on Rousey for hand picking 448 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 6: the interviews she does and not wanting to talk to 449 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 6: anybody with Ramona Shelburne, you got to keep that same 450 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 6: energy here's what we talked about with John. 451 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 5: How's it going. I'm doing our actions good. 452 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 12: I'm not gonna you know, you know, because it's gonna 453 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 12: be as best. 454 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 3: I'm not person I supposh you guys. 455 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 11: Are and tells me what type of questions I was 456 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 11: gonna get asked some It's like any sounds it you 457 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 11: want to thank you? 458 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: May I may I own this one just a little bit. 459 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: Two things I would say to that. First of all, 460 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: if John doesn't want to do that interview, that's okay, 461 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: Like he doesn't have to do it now that you can. 462 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: You can kill him for the reasons about why he 463 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: doesn't want it. But I said this after he dunked 464 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: on me. And then this particular thing like if any fighter, 465 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: if they don't want to talk to you, like they 466 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: don't owe me or Adam or anybody else ship like 467 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: it doesn't work that way. If he doesn't want to fine, 468 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: that's his right. You can examine the reasons for why 469 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to do it. But like, ultimately he 470 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: didn't want to do it, okay, it it's just obviously 471 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: like the aspinall thing has I think backfired a little 472 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: bit in terms of how he wanted this week to go, 473 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 1: and it's taking up more bandwidth than he wants to 474 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: give it, and he doesn't want to give it anymore. 475 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: But I would say it's taking up so much bandwidth 476 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: by virtue to you the point you raised to b 477 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: see about how he's handled it, rather than saying, you know, 478 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: we'll see what the future holds. I haven't made any 479 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: decisions yet, like in a way to kind of, you know, 480 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: leave your options open. He went hardcore towards the poetson thing, 481 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: and it just it didn't there was no traction for it. 482 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: And now that just made the aspinall situation like magnify time, civilian. 483 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: The second point I'd raise is, I know some folks 484 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: are new to the sport and they've probably only ever 485 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: seen the clip of John dunking on me, and they 486 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: don't know the context. Guys, anybody who was around long enough, 487 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: what you may not appreciate about that clip and then 488 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: the years before that, is that I was accused, year 489 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: after year after a year, not of being a John 490 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: Jones hater, the exact opposite of carrying water for him, 491 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: of being far too for giving of him, of giving 492 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: way too much positive spin on anything he was doing, 493 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 1: and you can you can decide whether or not if 494 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: you want to review anything I did or said or 495 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: wrote at that time, whether that's true. But that was 496 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: the context and in fact, after he did this, I 497 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: can assure you that his coach has expressed great surprise 498 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: at John's reaction, and they were extremely apologetic to me 499 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: in person because they had no idea where it was 500 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: coming from. More Over, BC, in the years following that, 501 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: nobody ever accused me of being unfair to John at 502 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: any point following that. It is only this situation because 503 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: I finally been like, this is so nakedly absurd, where 504 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: I finally have genuine criticisms of the situation and the 505 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: best people can do after all this time, but this 506 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: guy has been in the UFC and after year after 507 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 1: year being criticized of being too favorable to him, they 508 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: can't reconcile with the truth. They can't reconcile with the argument, 509 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: so they have to manufacture or that, oh, this must 510 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: be some kind of personal animis. Guys, there's lots of 511 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: fighters I don't like and you'd never know it. You'd 512 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: never you never ever. 513 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 6: Ever, I know it because we try to schedule interviews 514 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 6: with them and you're like, hell, no, well that. 515 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: Could just be because they're boring to talk to. But 516 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: the point I'm trying to make also b C, is 517 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: this you understand this BC, like it is so obvious 518 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: what is happening here? And if the best that people 519 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: can come up with is trying to insert personal animis 520 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: despite a record of coverage of this guy that has 521 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: been not perfect, like no, no one's coverage is, but 522 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: in general more than fair, especially during the most tumultuous 523 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: periods of his career. I'm sorry, I just don't take 524 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: it seriously, and I don't think anybody who understands what 525 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: the full truth is ever could right. 526 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 6: And I get the people saying, like, you know, again, 527 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 6: maybe you media should stop bringing it up or whatever. 528 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 6: There's ways he could have handled that. And I also 529 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 6: get people saying, look, he's the goat. Shouldn't he get 530 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 6: some level of l elevated. 531 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 7: Treatment or more grace put on him. I'm gonna argue 532 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 7: that he already does. 533 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 6: By the UFC. I think this John Jones is number one. 534 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 6: Pound for pound campaign from Dana was exclusively about keeping 535 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 6: John happy for future business opportunities. Remember, they moved a 536 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 6: card for him during Christmas week from one state to 537 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 6: another when he had that usada a hiccup ahead of 538 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 6: the second gust of some fight and Luke there, we'll 539 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 6: get to the glove change in a few minutes. Could 540 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 6: you even connect the dots that John's complaints may have 541 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 6: led to that they didn't allow Tom Aspinall to go 542 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 6: to the press conference that he told DC on today's 543 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 6: UFC Wayan Show. Aspinall did that. He's also requested to 544 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 6: be able to go, you know, in the cage afterwards, 545 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 6: and they haven't given him an answer yet. I feel 546 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 6: like they have been catering to John's ego at every turn. 547 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 6: It's just that he's creating all these land mines. Here's 548 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,199 Speaker 6: another landmine. I referenced it earlier. Here's the chat with 549 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 6: him and Bronstead, or after that media day where John 550 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 6: just went against everything he said a few minutes earlier. 551 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 11: Once again, Yeah, I got see myself, so I can 552 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 11: see myself after this uh entertaining super fights. 553 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 3: Only you know, after this fight, if we get a. 554 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 11: Dominant performance, I'm prepared to vacate the heavyweight championship and and. 555 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 3: Fight for fun. And I wanna fight for fun. 556 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 5: And I've had a I've had a a big chip. 557 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 11: Of my shoulder my whole career of having a defend, defend, 558 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 11: defen and uh, you know, I don't necessarily want it 559 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 11: to be over, but I just wanna. 560 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 3: I just wanna fight for fun. 561 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 4: You know. 562 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 11: I think about one of my teammates at donald Cowboys Surrounding, 563 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 11: you know, he just fights when when loser draw, he 564 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 11: just fights. And I I would love to kind of 565 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 11: experience that for the first time in my career of 566 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 11: just being like not having this belt to to try 567 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 11: to protect, but just fighting guys that I stylistically wanna 568 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 11: fight against, you know, just just random fights, you know, 569 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 11: like uh, you know, you know Jamal Hill, me and 570 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 11: him meet up back to twenty and see what happened. 571 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 3: That'd be interesting to see lands to see what happens, 572 00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 3: you know. 573 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 11: Or I'm at a just wait more to fight light 574 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 11: heavyweights or heavyweights, you know, Derek Lewis. 575 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 3: You know, the biggest enough outpower of not culcher in history. 576 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 11: I'm just throwing out random names, but I'm at a 577 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 11: body weight right now where I could do just fun fights, 578 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 11: and that's what I want to do. I want to 579 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 11: do fun fights for me, not necessarily for the fans, 580 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 11: but for me. And you know, let's see if Daniel 581 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 11: allows me to do that. 582 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 6: Or Now look, if that was his stance, I wouldn't 583 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 6: crap on it. But how is Jamal Hill and Derek 584 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 6: Lewis affect his legacy when that was the reason why 585 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 6: he had to fight Poeton next all. I'm not gonna 586 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 6: just you know, beat this to death. But if you 587 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 6: want to think we're being disrespectful for saying he's being 588 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 6: more duck than got, the proof is in the putting 589 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 6: right there. How could you not say one hundred percent 590 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 6: this man wants nothing to do with Tom aspinall, So 591 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 6: let's give up that charade. 592 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 7: Admit it. You're dropping the belt the next fight, end 593 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 7: of story. 594 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean I don't think how I don't 595 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: I don't understand how that's even in debate. I get 596 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: there's people who like him who don't want to, like, 597 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: face the reality of what is happening. And again and 598 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: older fighter wanting to fight for fun is not like 599 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: have we seen that before? Of course he's just kind 600 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: of up against it. In part PCE, no one's fault 601 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: per se, just the UFC doesn't really do soft landings 602 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: like that unless you're willing to go on like an 603 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,719 Speaker 1: extended win loss streak and just spend a lot of 604 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: time well past your prime. The UFC can sometimes obviously 605 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: accommodate stuff like that, but they're not really all that 606 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: great at it. It's a hard organization to do that 607 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: in And I think the other thing I would say 608 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: is BC again, Listen, there is no denying that the 609 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: amount of incredible achievement he has had and the amount 610 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: of glory that he has enjoyed, and the amount of 611 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: amazing moments that he has given MMA fans is absurd. 612 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: Like it's just it's a huge amount, right, No one 613 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: could ever say otherwise. And I've seen people try to 614 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,959 Speaker 1: diminish his two o five resume, which always just drives 615 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: me nuts. Like having lived through his two o five run, it's, 616 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: you know, it was full of problems like anyone else 617 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: is is. But like I've just never seen a guy 618 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: roll dude. He destroyed two of five. Two of five 619 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: has never recovered After John Jones, I don't think folks 620 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: really understand that, Like other weight classes have kind of reconstituted, 621 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: John Jones made two o five unrecognizable. Not even Habib 622 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: could do that at one fifty five. And I know 623 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: there's lots of arguments about why there's differences, but please, 624 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: I don't even buy that. But what I would also 625 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,239 Speaker 1: say is and that this is just a reality. I 626 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: have seen how many times he has fucked up things, 627 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: and he has made life difficult for the UFC, four fans, 628 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: four coaches, for everyone else. Dude, UFC two hundred is 629 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: one among many examples. I could pick the idea that 630 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: he could just waltz into fight week this time around 631 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: and be like, oh, yeah, I just want to have 632 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: fun fights. It's like, I don't know. I mean, I'm 633 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,959 Speaker 1: sure there are some appetite for that, but like you know, 634 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: there's also a lot of people who like this idea 635 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: that he's just entitled to it because it's the end 636 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: of his career. You're entitled to what you can reasonably produce, 637 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: and he's just in a really tough place for that. 638 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,479 Speaker 1: And I think also having a little bit of humility 639 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: about all the difficulty that he's caused is probably pruten 640 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: here but also not visible. 641 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 6: He said there's no soft landings in the UFC, and 642 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 6: normally you're right, except for this soft landing. 643 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 7: I'm not saying they can't win. 644 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 6: I'm not saying he's he's he's not dangerous. 645 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 7: They let him wait a year and still allowed. 646 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 6: Him to fight Stepe, who hasn't fought in four years, 647 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 6: hasn't want to fight in five basically or whatever. Then 648 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 6: the math is it's just wild. So he said, if 649 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 6: Dana allows him. We told you what Dana said at 650 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 6: the press conference last night. Here's Dana on Jim Rome. 651 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 6: This is the first time we heard that. It seems 652 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 6: to UFC is putting their foot down Jones. 653 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 9: You know, John will do what he does on Saturday. 654 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 9: If he wins, you know, like I said, he'll disappear 655 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 9: for a while and then that you know, the competitive 656 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 9: spirit will start bubbling up again, and then money will talk. 657 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 9: And if he doesn't, if he doesn't decide to retire, 658 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 9: he absolutely positively fights Aspinall. 659 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 7: Not Pereira. 660 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 5: He's not fighting Perera. 661 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 13: That's what he's asking for, obviously, he wants that be 662 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 13: n that felt. So you tell me, either you retire, 663 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 13: He's just when it comes down to Dana, he retires 664 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 13: or he fights Aspinall. 665 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 9: Aspinall was a middleweight to move up the light heavyweight. Okay, uh, 666 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 9: he's also a kickboxer who has done very very well 667 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 9: in MMBA. His wrestling isn't even near the level of 668 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 9: John Jones and and and John Jones is way bigger 669 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 9: than him. If John Jones wants to fight again after 670 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 9: Saturday Night, he will fight Tom Aspinall. 671 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 13: Dan White joining us appreciate that, Dana. The other main 672 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 13: co fight you've got is Michael. 673 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 6: Chan That's that's pretty straightforward from the boss. 674 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: Respect Okay, he's and he's completely totally he missed said it. 675 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: He said Aspinall is the middleweight who moved up. He 676 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: obviously meant Poetson, But like, yeah, Dana is I've got 677 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: my differences with Dana. He's right on the money. Also, 678 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: can you just imagine some of the chaos at might 679 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: cause if something goes wrong with Poetson, if Jones wrecks 680 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: him and then now he's you know, he can't get 681 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: back out there for all the way. On Calive is 682 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,959 Speaker 1: also o to fight, you know what I mean, Like, 683 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna accuse Poton of Duckin just yet, but 684 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: Poton's like bro I mean, On Calive is a bit 685 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: of a donk. We all know that. But you got 686 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: work to do, Like that's what having a belt means. 687 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: You got to defend against that guy. Come on, fellas. 688 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 6: Indeed, indeed, let's go to topic number two, which is 689 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 6: the actual fight itself, Saturday night UFC three oh nine 690 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 6: pay per view main event, the greatest heavyweight of all 691 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 6: time against the greatest fighter of all time. In the 692 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 6: odds via DraftKings have Jones at minus six twenty five. 693 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 6: Stepe Meo Chich who hasn't fought since that one sided 694 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 6: knockout loss to Francis and Gano plus four fifty five. 695 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 6: So Luke Stepe is in this weird spot where he's 696 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 6: still a dangerous fighter. He told me this week on 697 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 6: the BCX he can walk just fine despite our fears 698 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 6: of him. 699 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 7: How much has he. 700 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 6: Been able do you think benefit from all the aspinall 701 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 6: talk and how under ridiculously under the radar, which is 702 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 6: his style. But it's it's even more than ever before 703 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 6: that he's almost being completely counted out in this fight. 704 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 7: How competitive do you expect this fight to be? 705 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: I think it could be competitive early, I don't necessarily 706 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: foresee a situation. Okay, when I say I don't foresee, 707 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: people often sometimes think what I'm saying is that won't happen. 708 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: Everything is a function of probability. Everything is a function 709 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: of likelihood. Many things could happen in a fight, including 710 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: things of course you never see coming. One of the 711 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: more likely scenarios, I guess is the way I should 712 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: put it BC, is you know, Stepe a kind of 713 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: collapsing early. Of course we don't know about his chin. 714 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 7: He is old. 715 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: His last time he got his shit rocked. Granted it 716 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: was by Francis I ganu. Okay, that's he does a 717 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: lot of rocking with his fists. But nevertheless it wasn't 718 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: just a great showing for him, And so there's just 719 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: a lot of questions. I do think to the point 720 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: that you raised the time off I think could be 721 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: beneficial for a couple of reasons. And now, of course 722 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: he's gotten a lot older, but he didn't get beat 723 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: up a lot during that time, relatively speaking versus an 724 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: active schedule. So there's that second of all, when you 725 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: have time off, you can actually work a little bit 726 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: on skill development. That's going to be up against the 727 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: fact that he's forty years old. But if they've got 728 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 1: a really good game plan and they've really really rehearsed 729 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 1: it and they've really kind of gotten the nuts and 730 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: bolts down. That could prove very very disruptive for UH 731 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 1: or he could overperform relative to expectations. And of course 732 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: he's got any kind of long standing injury that maybe 733 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: needed some real time off to heal, that could improve 734 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,359 Speaker 1: as well. So you know he's coming in here BC 735 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,240 Speaker 1: with I mean I mentioned that he like, no one's 736 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: talking about step A and it's freaking fight week. It's 737 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: just John Jones and Tom aspinall. Here comes Stepe under 738 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: the radar. That said that said BC again, John is 739 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,720 Speaker 1: just an extremely poor decision maker outside of the cage, 740 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: But inside the cage he's very, very very good. There's 741 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: no denying he has probably done an extensive amount of 742 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: homework because as he always does, at least more recently 743 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: he always does. Anyway, I should say that a lot 744 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: of times he did an early in his career, but 745 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,919 Speaker 1: more recently he has and I suspect that he's got 746 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: you know, they've looked at as much tape as possible. 747 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: So what you're actually having to bank on is did 748 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: he get healthier in his time off. Did he come 749 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,439 Speaker 1: up with a great game plan in his time off? 750 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: And did he get better overall with his skills to 751 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: at least some extent during his time off and what 752 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:22,760 Speaker 1: advantages do those confer. 753 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of people are saying, hey, can we 754 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 6: stop talking about Askimen all year being disrespectful to everyone. 755 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 6: I talk with Chris Widman this week, who believes the 756 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 6: person being most disrespected is who he might guess here, 757 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 6: his friend Stepe Meochich. Let's listen in well, speaking of 758 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 6: the media and how we can be in the narratives 759 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 6: we make. And I'm gonna be honest, I don't know 760 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 6: if we're right or wrong, but we've been all over 761 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 6: John Jones this week for I guess, dismissing Tom Aspinall 762 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 6: and wanting to sort of pick off the menu in 763 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 6: the ways he defends his title. Do you have an 764 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,879 Speaker 6: opinion on that? Has John accomplished enough where we should 765 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 6: shut the hell up and let him do whatever he wants? 766 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 10: Honestly, I feel like you guys should be talking about 767 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 10: Steve A. Meochi is more than you guys are talking 768 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 10: about Tom Aspinall. I feel like there's a lot of 769 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,320 Speaker 10: overlooking steep a in this fight, and you know, Steve 770 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 10: Big gets a win on Saturday Night, It's like it's 771 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 10: not even really, that's not even a talking point anymore. 772 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 10: And I feel like Steve Bay is being disrespected a 773 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 10: lot right now. Yeah, that's probably my first thought. And 774 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 10: Aspiral thing, I don't know. He Jones just gonna be 775 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 10: able to he does what he wants to do at 776 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 10: this point. And Aspinall, I feel bad for Aspinall, he's 777 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 10: in it. It's just a weird time for him to 778 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 10: be champion. That John Jones came up and beat Cyril 779 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 10: Gun like that, and then Aspirall has been looking great, 780 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 10: you know, finishing all these tough dudes. And you know 781 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 10: he's got this interim belt, but what does the interim 782 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 10: belt mean when he gave in fact for the belt, 783 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 10: you know, the real belt. It's just a it's a 784 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 10: it's a it's a tough thing for him. Uh, but 785 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 10: it's just kind of how the UFC works and just 786 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 10: weird timing for him. 787 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, it makes sense on that point, So Luke, uh, 788 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 6: let's give the respect back to steep Pay. 789 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:57,399 Speaker 7: But what he's up. 790 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 6: Against is the greatest fighter of all time, and as 791 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 6: as Widman just said, we did see John against Syreel 792 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 6: God and Sean D. 793 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: Wideman. His name is spelled a little weird in fair enough. 794 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 6: But John calls him surreal gain. 795 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 1: That's cerial gain, serial game. 796 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 6: So Luke obviously against Gon, John like I mean, he 797 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 6: looked like a wizard on the ground, I mean he 798 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,320 Speaker 6: made Gon look like shit. When we see John bringing 799 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 6: in heavy hitters Gable Stevenson for wrestling, Gordon Ryan for 800 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,320 Speaker 6: jiu jitsu, are you expecting John to hold an extreme 801 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 6: advantage on the ground or do we still need to 802 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,439 Speaker 6: put a lot of respect on not just Steve A's 803 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 6: takedown defense, but the fact that outside of round one 804 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 6: of the rematch, even DC couldn't fully hold down or 805 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:47,479 Speaker 6: dominate Stepe on the ground. 806 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,399 Speaker 1: I want to just take a moment, if I may, 807 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: because I know everyone thinks that, like you know, my 808 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 1: blood boils of the very mention of John Jones, But 809 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,360 Speaker 1: I just want to say something. His career stat line. 810 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 1: Career stat line, we're talking now through how many fights 811 00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: as he had total? I forget what his oh twenty 812 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 1: basically twenty nine fights, nearly thirty fights. Okay, listen to 813 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 1: this guy's stat line, it's insane. Career stat line, strikes 814 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 1: landed per minute four point twenty nine, strikes absorbed two 815 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 1: point two two absurd, nearly two to one landed versus absorbed, 816 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: and by the way, both above average, and then you 817 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: know below average. Striking accuracy fifty seven percent, which is 818 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 1: a good number. Nine an amazed number, but a very 819 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,839 Speaker 1: good number. Striking defense career wide sixty four percent, take 820 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 1: down per fifteen minutes, one point nine to three, take 821 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,399 Speaker 1: down accuracy forty five percent, but Habib's right around fifty, 822 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,240 Speaker 1: so there's no big there. Career takedown defense ninety five 823 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: percent career takedown defense and then submission averagees not too 824 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 1: many in his record, got a few at point five. Dude, 825 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: that's his career stat line. That's absurd. That's absurd. And 826 00:38:55,719 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: he's undefeated, basically undefeated the whole way through, Like smokes, 827 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: that's that's incredible. I forgot your question was about John. 828 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I had to get John. 829 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:08,280 Speaker 3: Sorry. 830 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: What was kind of interesting to me in the Rayes 831 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: fight was there was a few times where John was 832 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: trying to wrestle it to the ground and Reyes was 833 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: able to resist, and it made John a little bit 834 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 1: more desperate and subsequent attempts and it made him a 835 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 1: little bit more hesitant on the feet itself. I don't 836 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: know if that's in particular because of the way in 837 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: which Reyes was striking, or if there was something about 838 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 1: not being able to play the multiple levels that caused that, 839 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: but I would be looking for something similar here to 840 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,799 Speaker 1: the extent that stepe A can stuff the ground game. 841 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 1: I know you're asking about what happens when he gets there, 842 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 1: but to the extent that he can stuff it, I 843 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: think that would be a real problem for him. He 844 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: would still have, obviously Jones a significant reach advantage, but nevertheless, 845 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: that kind of inability to dictate the terms up and 846 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,439 Speaker 1: down I think would be a bit of a child 847 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 1: or a real setback for him. And how much it 848 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: would diminish the overall potency of his striking now once 849 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 1: he gets it, I just don't buy you're gonna sit 850 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,479 Speaker 1: there and look at step A flat on his back 851 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: for very long. That dude is going to scramble. And 852 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 1: part of the scatting report when step A first got 853 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 1: to Mma was, yeah, this guy was a you know, 854 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 1: so something of a baseball prospect, but The reality is 855 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: he can wrestle, he can strike, he's got good cardio, 856 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: and he can box like they was a Golden Gloves champion, 857 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: all that stuff, and I don't think that should necessarily 858 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 1: change a whole lot. Curtis Blades used to be one 859 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,359 Speaker 1: of Steve I. Miochi's training partners right before he moved 860 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: over to Colorado to help him get ready. I think 861 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,800 Speaker 1: even after that he would bring back for individual camps. 862 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,920 Speaker 1: This is a guy who knows how to wrestle, who 863 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 1: knows how to get off the bottom, who knows how 864 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 1: to stop takedowns scramble through. If you're John, I think 865 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 1: what you're looking for is not full takedowns, but halfway 866 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: control positions, some kind of stopping period where John doesn't 867 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: fully have the takedown, but he's got enough of a 868 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 1: control where excuse me, homestid aspiral, where miochiic can't just 869 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,800 Speaker 1: like rock it back to the top. He is stuck 870 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: in an interim space and John will do heavy dammage 871 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,760 Speaker 1: there and then that will begin to accumulate over time 872 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 1: along the way. I think that's what I'm kind of 873 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 1: looking for, wrapping him up in some kind of way 874 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: where he's on his hands, on his knees, not on 875 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,759 Speaker 1: his shoulder, not flat on his back, right, I don't 876 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 1: expect that, but kind of immobilized, stuck in quicksand and 877 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,800 Speaker 1: John to do heavy work from that position. 878 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 7: John is strong. 879 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,399 Speaker 6: He's not as you know, he doesn't weigh as much 880 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 6: as the gunfight, but he's strong as f smarter than 881 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 6: every other fighter we see in there. And I mean, look, 882 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,840 Speaker 6: it's hard not to look at the shiny wrapping paper 883 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,719 Speaker 6: of Steveson and Gordon Ryan's potential influence there. Luke, I mean, 884 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,279 Speaker 6: I would not be surprised if John is at you know, 885 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 6: heavyweight jiu jitsu master level at this point. 886 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 7: He's had enough time to work on it to be 887 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:45,400 Speaker 7: fair over the last five years. 888 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 1: Well, I mean even before that. You know, this is 889 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 1: not a guy like a lot of guys from jiu jitsu. 890 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,879 Speaker 1: This is not the case now, but you know, ten 891 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,879 Speaker 1: years ago, there were not a lot of guys who 892 00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: knew how to in jiu jitsu really capture wrists from 893 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,799 Speaker 1: turtle position to both break posture or control them or 894 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. John already had all of 895 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 1: that from wrestling. John was, you know, again kind of 896 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 1: like a fuck up going up, but a very accomplished 897 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,840 Speaker 1: wrestler at least, a guy with a lot of promise 898 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,320 Speaker 1: in his wrestling future. And this is stuff he already 899 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,480 Speaker 1: when he was in MMA. He already knew how to 900 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 1: do it. And now you add in some of the 901 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,840 Speaker 1: Gordon Ryan tips about different positioning and different kinds of rides, 902 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,880 Speaker 1: top pins for jiu jitsu or whatever, it's just going 903 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 1: to make him extremely potent. Like again, I don't there 904 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 1: is I'm of two minds. We see and I wonder 905 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 1: where you are on this. On the one hand, I 906 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 1: think what we saw from John towards the end of 907 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,120 Speaker 1: his life heavyweight run and the Godfight didn't tell us 908 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:42,960 Speaker 1: much one way or the other. But towards the end 909 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,879 Speaker 1: of his life heavyweight run, where he was pretty much 910 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,880 Speaker 1: on the decline. I mean, we didn't fall off a cliff, 911 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,279 Speaker 1: but he was on the decline. And I can't tell 912 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,280 Speaker 1: how much of that was just was he burned out? 913 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,360 Speaker 1: Was it? You know, he was actually on the decline 914 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 1: and there's no way to get around that, or you know, 915 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 1: how much could he be re juvenated by time off. 916 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:07,400 Speaker 1: It's a you know, easier weight class generally speaking, and 917 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,839 Speaker 1: this will prove to him, this will prove to us 918 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 1: that like, oh, he's fully back and you know, maybe 919 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,479 Speaker 1: not his prime, but pretty goddamn close. I can't quite 920 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,400 Speaker 1: tell what the true narrative is, and I'm hoping that 921 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,799 Speaker 1: stepe can give us a little more information about that. 922 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 7: Well. 923 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 6: You do hear a lot of people say, if John 924 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 6: is unable to keep steep Pay down, and you made 925 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,400 Speaker 6: good points about the wrestling, I mean, even Francis and Gano, 926 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 6: who really for the first time showcased the wrestling in 927 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 6: that top game and taking the title from Steepe. Stepey found, 928 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 6: even under duress and damage, to get up consistently. So 929 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,760 Speaker 6: if that happens, Luke, and if this fight is contested 930 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,200 Speaker 6: for great lengths on the feet, I do hear a 931 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,239 Speaker 6: lot of people saying, Look, it's not like stepe has 932 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 6: ever had anything but very good boxing in the heavyweight division, 933 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 6: big time power. 934 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 7: But John's the full kickboxer. How much do you think 935 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:52,719 Speaker 7: you know? 936 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,239 Speaker 6: I remember John stopping DC in the rematch with that 937 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 6: big head kick. How do you think John's kickboxing will 938 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 6: match up with Stepey's boxing? If this fight goes long 939 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,000 Speaker 6: stretches in the center of the cage. 940 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,719 Speaker 1: So John's got a four inch reach advantage, which is 941 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,320 Speaker 1: not the biggest advantage he's ever had, but it's it's 942 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 1: still valuable. I don't quite look at it like that, 943 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 1: so I would say it a little bit differently. This 944 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,800 Speaker 1: is something I've kind of noticed from him over time. 945 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 1: He does throw on occasion combinations, not to say he 946 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,480 Speaker 1: doesn't throw combinations. I suspect you'll see him throw. He 947 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,360 Speaker 1: doesn't tend to throw more than two or three strike combinations, 948 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 1: but he'll throw them. But what he really likes to 949 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 1: do is something and I brought it up now at 950 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,800 Speaker 1: nauseum on this week, but what I call single strike 951 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,960 Speaker 1: high variants, where what he does is he'll throw a 952 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 1: jab from this side and then he'll leg kick here, 953 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 1: and then he'll you know, step over and you know, 954 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,319 Speaker 1: shovel a punch here, and then he'll overhand left and 955 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 1: then he'll teep up the middle and then i'll head 956 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 1: kick up here. Where he's changing the target and he's 957 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,279 Speaker 1: changing the tempo, and he's changing the velocity of what 958 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,279 Speaker 1: he's throwing, and he'll move his feet and change the 959 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 1: range where you he might even think he's out of 960 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,799 Speaker 1: range and because you were expecting a jab to the 961 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,080 Speaker 1: body and then he throws a head kick, it just 962 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,399 Speaker 1: becomes so potent. What I mean to say is it's 963 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,000 Speaker 1: not so much that he's gonna stay in just kind 964 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,919 Speaker 1: of kickbox with you. He's gonna he has weapons at 965 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: all ranges, and he varies them very I mean, it 966 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,399 Speaker 1: looks like he's just picking them at random to us, 967 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 1: but to him, he knows exactly kind of where he 968 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,279 Speaker 1: wants to go and in what trajector he wants to 969 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,879 Speaker 1: throw it. And I think he's able to reset into 970 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,400 Speaker 1: kickboxing range either because he'll back up or the other 971 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,480 Speaker 1: opponent retreats and then they're not expecting the weapon that 972 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,480 Speaker 1: they're getting and then boom, he throws it up there. 973 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,640 Speaker 1: It's not like exactly like a kickboxing match in that way. 974 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,440 Speaker 1: It's more just taking advantage of a little tiny opening 975 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,479 Speaker 1: and then having again great decision making along that way. 976 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,400 Speaker 1: Because he's got such enormous length obviously with his limbs, 977 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,320 Speaker 1: that it creates all these other problems and people understanding 978 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:53,759 Speaker 1: where they're supposed to be in how far they have 979 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,120 Speaker 1: to be away. Steve's got to really be in his 980 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 1: face on this one. That's kind of the issue to me. 981 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,480 Speaker 1: He can't really stay even at punching because John can 982 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,440 Speaker 1: once he begins to mix and mix and mix and 983 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,960 Speaker 1: then changes that range just a little bit. Now he's 984 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,400 Speaker 1: got even more variety of weapons to then throw and 985 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,359 Speaker 1: then change it back, and then the velocity and angle 986 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,799 Speaker 1: and everything's changing. That's kind of the way I would 987 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 1: look at it. I see it a little bit differently 988 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:15,160 Speaker 1: in that regard. 989 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:16,840 Speaker 7: I like those that breakdown. 990 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,759 Speaker 6: So why Widman's telling us, Hey, we need to be 991 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,239 Speaker 6: talking about steep ay more. I almost wonder if people 992 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,160 Speaker 6: are talking too much about the layoff for steepey for 993 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:29,439 Speaker 6: a guy who's always in top end shape, very durable. Yes, 994 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,200 Speaker 6: he hasn't fought in three years, But Luke, why do 995 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,759 Speaker 6: we bring that up a lot? But we don't bring 996 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,839 Speaker 6: up that John has really fought that long in five years, Right, 997 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,000 Speaker 6: that little snippet against Cyril Gohn in the first half 998 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,799 Speaker 6: of that round, But it's a much longer completely out 999 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 6: of the cage, and it wasn't like he was coming 1000 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:49,640 Speaker 6: off of a devastating win before that. 1001 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,239 Speaker 7: It was the very close. 1002 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,800 Speaker 6: Fight with Reyes, in the very close fight with Santo's 1003 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,640 Speaker 6: before that, So should we be having the same level 1004 00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,880 Speaker 6: and concerns based just on layoff not being you know, 1005 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,239 Speaker 6: the comfortability that comes with it. I know we don't 1006 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,759 Speaker 6: tend to stress out about that when we're talking about 1007 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,680 Speaker 6: the super elites and John Jones is the goat. But 1008 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,360 Speaker 6: why are we overly worried about Stepe's aged in layoff 1009 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,400 Speaker 6: when John is it? Because John wasn't taking any damage 1010 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:17,280 Speaker 6: for a five year period. 1011 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 7: I mean, what is it here? 1012 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,040 Speaker 1: Well, Steepe is also old. I mean Stepe is old. 1013 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,919 Speaker 1: Stepe is even old for heavyweight, forty two is old. 1014 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,200 Speaker 7: I mean that is Tell that to Randy Cooter. 1015 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,000 Speaker 1: All right, we would if he would show up on 1016 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,440 Speaker 1: the show. He just doesn't. He just doesn't. But you 1017 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,879 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, you can't you know, late 1018 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,680 Speaker 1: thirties no big deal, or early forties you start to 1019 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,400 Speaker 1: really turn a different kind of corner there. But I agree, 1020 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,759 Speaker 1: like this is what I mean. I can't quite tell 1021 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,360 Speaker 1: exactly where John is. I can't tell if he's rejuvenated 1022 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,279 Speaker 1: from what had happened at towards the end of his 1023 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,200 Speaker 1: light heavyweight run because the Gon fight, you know, Gon's 1024 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,799 Speaker 1: wrestling is not great and though he fought like shit 1025 00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,440 Speaker 1: in that fight. I mean, it's just really really really 1026 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,200 Speaker 1: hard to tell. I don't know if Stepe is the 1027 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,480 Speaker 1: guy to help us get a better answer. I tend 1028 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:04,920 Speaker 1: to think we probably get a better one than what 1029 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,800 Speaker 1: Gon was able to give us. But like, can you 1030 00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,799 Speaker 1: imagine if John goes in there and like head kicks 1031 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 1: him in thirty seconds, We're still going to be like, 1032 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,040 Speaker 1: what the fuck did we learn? We didn't learn a 1033 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,799 Speaker 1: whole lot, you know, So I would say this, I 1034 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,719 Speaker 1: think that there is at least for me. I think 1035 00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,279 Speaker 1: you can be of two minds and kind of you know, 1036 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,120 Speaker 1: try to hold what seems like two contradictory thoughts. I 1037 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,160 Speaker 1: do think he will be fully prepared, but I've seen 1038 00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,759 Speaker 1: John when things get a little messed up where he 1039 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,600 Speaker 1: has to take on a late notice replacement or something 1040 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,640 Speaker 1: like for example, like with osp you know, he had 1041 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,520 Speaker 1: a really kind of like an he won, but it 1042 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:39,479 Speaker 1: was kind of like a shit fight. 1043 00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:39,719 Speaker 3: You know. 1044 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,719 Speaker 1: He likes to have everything kind of orderly and like 1045 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,440 Speaker 1: very examined and everything kind of home in on that 1046 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,600 Speaker 1: particular moment, and then he can really he can really 1047 00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,080 Speaker 1: rise when he has to adapt. It comes a little 1048 00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:52,960 Speaker 1: bit harder for him, and so what I mean to 1049 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,920 Speaker 1: say is all that time off, I do think it 1050 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,480 Speaker 1: will actually have some effect, probably in both directions. Neither 1051 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,600 Speaker 1: guy can really claim. I mean, Steve fought not as recently, 1052 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,399 Speaker 1: but it's not like John's been super active. Sure, but dude, 1053 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,000 Speaker 1: the reality is we just don't know what John questions. 1054 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,080 Speaker 1: All I'm trying to say is if people out there 1055 00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,359 Speaker 1: have questions like, is John really back? Is he really 1056 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,280 Speaker 1: that good? These are not unfair. We don't know the answer, 1057 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:15,520 Speaker 1: but they're not unfair. 1058 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:16,359 Speaker 7: Dude. 1059 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,879 Speaker 6: I love plus money on Steepay just because of that, 1060 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,319 Speaker 6: even though I believe ultimately if you cared that what 1061 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,319 Speaker 6: I thought that, uh, that John's gonna go in there 1062 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,040 Speaker 6: and win and win decisively when he does so, Luke, 1063 00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:29,960 Speaker 6: I kind of want to put out there, like, is 1064 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,719 Speaker 6: it better for the sport and for the UFC if 1065 00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:38,120 Speaker 6: John dominates Steepe in four minutes, doesn't take any damage, 1066 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,479 Speaker 6: just picks him apart, stops him, because that might bring 1067 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,480 Speaker 6: back John to the cage quicker and sooner and maybe 1068 00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:45,920 Speaker 6: more willing to challenge himself. 1069 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,520 Speaker 7: Or is it better for the sport. 1070 00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,080 Speaker 6: And the UFC in our viewership that they have a 1071 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,640 Speaker 6: Fight of the Year contender, or that Steepe pulls off 1072 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,080 Speaker 6: this upset and we have a need for an immediate rematch. 1073 00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:58,200 Speaker 7: Do you have any thought on that. 1074 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,960 Speaker 1: I feel like, if what you want are as many 1075 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:07,760 Speaker 1: good fights as possible, John running over Stepe is probably 1076 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,759 Speaker 1: best because the way John had framed it this week is, Hey, 1077 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,319 Speaker 1: if we go in there and you know it's he 1078 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,799 Speaker 1: looks good and he feels good, and everything just kind 1079 00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,560 Speaker 1: of flows, He's gonna want to do more, and the 1080 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,799 Speaker 1: window is kind of closed as to what that might be. 1081 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,680 Speaker 1: It would probably have to be asphenall at that point. 1082 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,680 Speaker 1: I guess he could drop the belt, but I don't 1083 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,560 Speaker 1: know what the UFC would do at that point, you know, 1084 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,000 Speaker 1: don't I don't really know. I don't know what the 1085 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,200 Speaker 1: average fans appetite is for a John Jones. 1086 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:33,480 Speaker 3: I don't know. 1087 00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,800 Speaker 1: He's just throwing out names, but like a John Jones 1088 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,200 Speaker 1: versus Derek Lewis, I don't. I don't know what the 1089 00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,759 Speaker 1: appetite would be because I feel like, dude, if you 1090 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,920 Speaker 1: go in there and Stepe, first of all, Stepe beats Hi. 1091 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,279 Speaker 1: We've already talked about this. It's a fucking pandemonium. I mean, 1092 00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:52,160 Speaker 1: total disaster for everybody except step A basically along the way. 1093 00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,879 Speaker 1: But let's say John wins and it's competitive, and it's 1094 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,319 Speaker 1: back and forth, and it's a blood and guts kind 1095 00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,880 Speaker 1: of fight, like a Gustavson fight. He probably sounds like 1096 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,000 Speaker 1: he's gonna call it a day on something like that. 1097 00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,759 Speaker 1: And again, he's had an amazing career, right, He's an 1098 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,080 Speaker 1: amazing career. But if you want another show of the 1099 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,440 Speaker 1: John Jones experience, I think he has the steam roll 1100 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:13,359 Speaker 1: Steve Bay to get there. 1101 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,840 Speaker 6: I wonder if if John loses or is in a 1102 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,600 Speaker 6: very close fight, I know that we could talk ourselves 1103 00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,640 Speaker 6: about him leaving the sport. But if he's not trying 1104 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,600 Speaker 6: to protect the idea of an unbeaten record, I know 1105 00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,640 Speaker 6: that Matt Hamill lost may never become a no contest. 1106 00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,759 Speaker 6: Dana didn't even seem confident at the press conference when 1107 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,120 Speaker 6: someone asks him that it could get changed. But maybe 1108 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,440 Speaker 6: that would take off the pressure of John feeling like 1109 00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:35,800 Speaker 6: he needs to be perfect. 1110 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:36,239 Speaker 7: I don't know. 1111 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,840 Speaker 6: I mean, I'm I could consider my what if Steepay 1112 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,719 Speaker 6: wins dominantly and then he's like, yeah, I'll take on 1113 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,960 Speaker 6: aspinall and maybe that leads us to John wanting to 1114 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,040 Speaker 6: come back because he's a competitor and fighting aspinall, or 1115 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,759 Speaker 6: maybe Steve A wins and give it, you know, and retires, 1116 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,640 Speaker 6: and then we get Tom versus John for the vacant title. 1117 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,840 Speaker 6: I don't know, but all I know is that John 1118 00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,280 Speaker 6: does seem very motivated. He seems to be grabbing, grasping 1119 00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,200 Speaker 6: for things to maybe give him that level of motivation. 1120 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,440 Speaker 6: One of those things, obviously, is steepe on the Countdown 1121 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,400 Speaker 6: episode saying come on, bitch or whatever he said. You know, 1122 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,799 Speaker 6: here's Stepey's reaction when he was told how upset John 1123 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:11,400 Speaker 6: was about that. 1124 00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,680 Speaker 8: By the way, he was a little upset at you 1125 00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,080 Speaker 8: for cooling him, a bitch, I keep. 1126 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,680 Speaker 12: Talking about that, but he was like telling everyone he's 1127 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,120 Speaker 12: gonna beat my ass. Almost positive did not say that 1128 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:25,640 Speaker 12: before that, So I mean, sorry, I well to talk about. 1129 00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,359 Speaker 7: Me whatever I think. 1130 00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,920 Speaker 12: And then also he brought up your sparring partner choices. 1131 00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:32,880 Speaker 1: Oh I pay him all right? 1132 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,120 Speaker 12: That that was because they are my teammates and they're like, 1133 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:40,080 Speaker 12: we're not getting paid, so I'm hiring people too, So 1134 00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:41,560 Speaker 12: whatever do you think? 1135 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,200 Speaker 11: Maybe he's just saying this to sort of build this 1136 00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,399 Speaker 11: fight up and build himself into needing like a bit 1137 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,600 Speaker 11: of spite between you two to give himself more of 1138 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:48,359 Speaker 11: an edge in the fight. 1139 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:50,520 Speaker 8: Maybe maybe not. 1140 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,560 Speaker 12: I mean, you know, I don't know what he's thinking, 1141 00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,680 Speaker 12: but uh yeah, that's some of the stuff. Was just 1142 00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,919 Speaker 12: I'm like, okay, I literally had no idea until someone 1143 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,240 Speaker 12: told me, Oh, it's funny. 1144 00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:02,319 Speaker 8: It's it's just kind of cool. 1145 00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,880 Speaker 7: Stevey's unfazed by everything. 1146 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,359 Speaker 1: He does give a d A guy who runs into 1147 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,520 Speaker 1: a burning building is just not afraid. 1148 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:11,120 Speaker 7: And I love it. 1149 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,200 Speaker 6: He told me this week He's like, I got too 1150 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,359 Speaker 6: much going on with my family, my job, my kids. 1151 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,520 Speaker 6: He's like, I don't have time to break people's hearts 1152 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,200 Speaker 6: online and hurt people's feelings like a damn. 1153 00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,320 Speaker 1: Let me ask a question. What was the I missed 1154 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,160 Speaker 1: that one? What was the part about the sparring partners? 1155 00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,160 Speaker 6: I thought John had made a comment like, hey Steepe, 1156 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,080 Speaker 6: you can go out there and get as many black 1157 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:31,840 Speaker 6: sparring partners as you can, but it's not going to 1158 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,440 Speaker 6: do anything. But then stevee is mentioning something about payment, 1159 00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:35,600 Speaker 6: So maybe I missed. 1160 00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:35,799 Speaker 3: Out on it. 1161 00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,680 Speaker 1: Do you know what this is about? 1162 00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,640 Speaker 6: I don't know, all right, That's why he's the best 1163 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:44,240 Speaker 6: in the business Long Island. 1164 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:44,759 Speaker 7: Luke. 1165 00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,919 Speaker 6: John did give a response before the press conference. Let's 1166 00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:49,680 Speaker 6: hear it, I want to. I want you to think 1167 00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,520 Speaker 6: about it, Luke, when you listen. Is John just getting 1168 00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,480 Speaker 6: himself motivated? Is he trolling us? 1169 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,440 Speaker 7: Or is he really sensitive? 1170 00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:00,879 Speaker 5: Let's hear Okay, Okay, Now more recently, state I told 1171 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,080 Speaker 5: you a bitch and you put on that story. 1172 00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:03,960 Speaker 7: He said he didn't need the disrespect. Is it still 1173 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,920 Speaker 7: personal to you or do you accept his apology? 1174 00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:06,319 Speaker 3: No? 1175 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,160 Speaker 11: I accept his apology, but at the end of the day, 1176 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:10,759 Speaker 11: I don't think it was sincere at all. 1177 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,200 Speaker 3: He's like, I'm sorry, or hurt your feelings or whatnot. 1178 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:13,719 Speaker 3: You know. 1179 00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,520 Speaker 11: And there was another time a few months ago where 1180 00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,680 Speaker 11: he mentioned, you know, at least my kids will never 1181 00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,600 Speaker 11: look at me as an asshole. He was talking about 1182 00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,880 Speaker 11: me and my relationship with nine children. I realized that 1183 00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,399 Speaker 11: everyone loves Steve Bay. He's a he's a nice guy, 1184 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,799 Speaker 11: he's a firefighter. Initially I didn't want to go there 1185 00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,000 Speaker 11: with him and have bad blood, but I don't care 1186 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,120 Speaker 11: care about him at all. At this point, I have 1187 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,400 Speaker 11: no reason to have anything of mercy or sympathy or 1188 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,120 Speaker 11: play a class here, any of that stuff is. 1189 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,640 Speaker 3: But it's all out the window now. And I fight. 1190 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:41,879 Speaker 3: I fight out of love. 1191 00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:43,920 Speaker 11: I really love what I do, and I believe I 1192 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,160 Speaker 11: get my energy and my power from a place of love. 1193 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,440 Speaker 11: I will remember what he said when I'm punching him 1194 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:49,880 Speaker 11: in the face. 1195 00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,279 Speaker 6: Okay, all right, I mean, if that's what he needs 1196 00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,080 Speaker 6: to motivate himself and bring out the lion, I don't 1197 00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:56,880 Speaker 6: have an issue with it. 1198 00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,560 Speaker 7: But it is soft as baby shit, is it not. 1199 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:04,000 Speaker 1: Look here's the thing. Yes, But also, dude, if there's 1200 00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,360 Speaker 1: one thing I've learned in all this time in the 1201 00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:11,000 Speaker 1: combat sports business, it's even true in boxing, although somewhat 1202 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:15,360 Speaker 1: a little less true, but not really a little less true. 1203 00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,680 Speaker 1: The best fighters, you know are the most sensitive people 1204 00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,040 Speaker 1: in the world. That's just And when I first got 1205 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,640 Speaker 1: into the business, it was like mind blowing because you 1206 00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,000 Speaker 1: operate under this assumption of like this like incredibly tough guy, 1207 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,000 Speaker 1: tougher than you could ever be, tougher than you could 1208 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,719 Speaker 1: ever imagine. How can you possibly let words bother you? 1209 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,480 Speaker 1: But they do. In fact, it's because over time, what 1210 00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,920 Speaker 1: I realized is they get a me against the world 1211 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,640 Speaker 1: or me and my team anyway against the world. Mentality 1212 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:47,120 Speaker 1: and any kind of verbal slight is kind of seen 1213 00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,560 Speaker 1: as a challenge to their their own internal sense of superiority. 1214 00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:56,320 Speaker 1: Even though they might feel like they're the most strongest 1215 00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,279 Speaker 1: and best fighter in the world. They want they want 1216 00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,600 Speaker 1: public record ignition of that, and so any perceived lack 1217 00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,200 Speaker 1: of that is seen as some kind of challenge to 1218 00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,320 Speaker 1: their authority rather than understanding their place. But Stepe is 1219 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,080 Speaker 1: not actually like that, from what I can tell. You know, 1220 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,960 Speaker 1: he seemed a little bit less like that. So, you know, 1221 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,640 Speaker 1: do I think John sensitive? I don't think there's any question, 1222 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,960 Speaker 1: But so are most of your best fighters in the world. 1223 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,080 Speaker 1: They're all pretty sensitive. 1224 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,440 Speaker 6: Well, Stepe had a reaction on my channel that a 1225 00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,560 Speaker 6: lot of people shared online and couldn't believe it. 1226 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:25,400 Speaker 7: Luke, let's listen. 1227 00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,640 Speaker 3: You know, I just away sayre a way to make 1228 00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:31,000 Speaker 3: you away? 1229 00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,320 Speaker 7: I think that was croatia, Luke, I didn't get it. Wow. 1230 00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,680 Speaker 1: So we don't joke about this kind of stuff because 1231 00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,359 Speaker 1: it's not really jokeable. And that's well, we do joke 1232 00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,239 Speaker 1: about it, but sometimes we don't. It's kind of a 1233 00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:53,080 Speaker 1: mixed bag. My man's got some speech issues, does he not? 1234 00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:54,359 Speaker 7: He does, and I don't. 1235 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:58,280 Speaker 6: I don't think it's like necessarily a hey, let's rescue 1236 00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,879 Speaker 6: him from the CTE type of situation, because there is 1237 00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,759 Speaker 6: for years. He just talks really fast in a low 1238 00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:04,680 Speaker 6: monotone voice. 1239 00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,040 Speaker 7: So he was. 1240 00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,239 Speaker 6: Clearer when he was eating at the press conference this 1241 00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,280 Speaker 6: week when we played those comments about yes. 1242 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:10,760 Speaker 7: The word bitch. 1243 00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,040 Speaker 6: But I think it's just kind of I don't know, Luke, 1244 00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:14,680 Speaker 6: some people do that. They kind of talk in a 1245 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,360 Speaker 6: trailing down tone where the words rub against each other 1246 00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,840 Speaker 6: and like a casual out the side of their mouthway, 1247 00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,760 Speaker 6: you know, like they're sucking on marbles or something. 1248 00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,720 Speaker 1: Like two key when she ate her Halloween candy when 1249 00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,560 Speaker 1: I told her not to and were Halloween candy? 1250 00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,360 Speaker 7: Yeah, She's like, no, I didn't. Yeah, yeah, I know that. Oh, Luke. 1251 00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,280 Speaker 6: We're gonna have Sean Porter in a couple of minutes 1252 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,680 Speaker 6: as we shift topics to Tyson. Paul will come back, 1253 00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,760 Speaker 6: of course to UFC three h nine. But I do 1254 00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,000 Speaker 6: want to get your prediction. What are you expecting? How 1255 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,680 Speaker 6: do you see this fight? Have you leaned on how 1256 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,400 Speaker 6: John does this or could you open that door for 1257 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:45,520 Speaker 6: a big Stpe upset. 1258 00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:52,120 Speaker 1: I there's a lot of unknowns here, a lot of unknowns, 1259 00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,640 Speaker 1: as we've fully articulated in both directions. But for MEBC, 1260 00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,000 Speaker 1: I think John Jones gets it done. I don't know 1261 00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,120 Speaker 1: exactly how Don and then it is. That's the part 1262 00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,360 Speaker 1: I can't quite I don't have a clear picture, but 1263 00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,080 Speaker 1: I suspect he stops him inside the distance. I think 1264 00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:11,120 Speaker 1: somewhere around the third round. I think John Jones wins here. Again, 1265 00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:12,840 Speaker 1: I think John took this fight because he thinks it's 1266 00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,360 Speaker 1: very winnable. He's probably right. I suspect John wins. 1267 00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:17,480 Speaker 7: I'm with you on that. 1268 00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,840 Speaker 6: I got John by stoppage within really within two rounds. 1269 00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,360 Speaker 6: I think he'll do it via submission. I'd love to 1270 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,439 Speaker 6: be wrong. I'd love for Stepe's, you know, for his part, 1271 00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,000 Speaker 6: for his legacy, for the respect we have from him, 1272 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,960 Speaker 6: that he can make this a fight. Can he hurt John? 1273 00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,800 Speaker 6: Can he get John off of plan A? But for 1274 00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,280 Speaker 6: everything we're going to say here about John and criticize 1275 00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,240 Speaker 6: the words he said and the choices of it, the 1276 00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:40,600 Speaker 6: guy's the best fighter we've ever seen. 1277 00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,920 Speaker 7: The guy figures out how to win fights. 1278 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,320 Speaker 6: I have no doubt that he planned so strategically over 1279 00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:46,919 Speaker 6: the past year. 1280 00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:48,919 Speaker 7: He is coming off a very serious. 1281 00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:53,160 Speaker 6: Injury with surgery of eighteen month layoff, but we don't 1282 00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,600 Speaker 6: bring that up sometimes with the goats because of how 1283 00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,000 Speaker 6: great they are, and that certainly is John Jones. So, Luke, 1284 00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,520 Speaker 6: I'm looking for him to really make a splash on 1285 00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,720 Speaker 6: the ground, the ground and pound that he's mentioning the 1286 00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,880 Speaker 6: You know, he does seem to have motivation obviously just 1287 00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,160 Speaker 6: as much as the result, if not more. We want 1288 00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:13,480 Speaker 6: to hear what happens next, So, Luke, what does happen next? 1289 00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,640 Speaker 6: Do they let aspinall in the cage? If John gets 1290 00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,120 Speaker 6: the nod? You and I believe he will. The odds 1291 00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,959 Speaker 6: are almost astronomical that he will. How does the post 1292 00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,120 Speaker 6: fight interview play out? Because this is reality TV? Is 1293 00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,040 Speaker 6: he gonna put the gloves down and walk away? Is 1294 00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:29,880 Speaker 6: he gonna do a I'm not really sure. I have 1295 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,760 Speaker 6: to talk to my family and Dan, like, what's gonna 1296 00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:32,280 Speaker 6: happen here? 1297 00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:32,919 Speaker 10: Yeah? 1298 00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,520 Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, one thing I also want 1299 00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,560 Speaker 1: to point out here is like I don't it's if 1300 00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,640 Speaker 1: this fight could go a million directions. What if Stepe 1301 00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,440 Speaker 1: comes out look, you know, bad, out of hell? And 1302 00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,840 Speaker 1: he's looking great. John's also just shown to have a 1303 00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,720 Speaker 1: clutch gene man like when it's time to win rounds, 1304 00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,040 Speaker 1: he wins rounds. It's remarkable how good he is at that, 1305 00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,360 Speaker 1: and how he's consistently been good at that when like 1306 00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,840 Speaker 1: when he needs a round, he gets it. So I 1307 00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:00,560 Speaker 1: I just have a hard time seeing him losing. But again, 1308 01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,880 Speaker 1: who the hell knows what kind of condition he's in 1309 01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,480 Speaker 1: in terms of what happens next. I think if stepe 1310 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,520 Speaker 1: A wins, there's no way they don't bring in aspenall. 1311 01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:16,080 Speaker 1: But I think if John wins, if John wins easily, 1312 01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:17,800 Speaker 1: I think they bring him in, like I think, I 1313 01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,760 Speaker 1: think Tom will be there. But I really think they're 1314 01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,880 Speaker 1: gonna play it by ear and in part almost out 1315 01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,200 Speaker 1: of respect. Like for example, what if it is a 1316 01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,200 Speaker 1: blood and guts affair, Like what if it is like 1317 01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,680 Speaker 1: one of these things where they're both banged the fuck up, 1318 01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,480 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, not exactly like Hendo Showgun, 1319 01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,720 Speaker 1: but something like that, and they you know, these guys 1320 01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:37,919 Speaker 1: are just in a tough place. They look like shit, 1321 01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:41,720 Speaker 1: they're tired. Bringing in aspenall after that is not necessarily 1322 01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,120 Speaker 1: a great look, no matter what. But I think if 1323 01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:47,760 Speaker 1: John goes in there and smokes them, they might Yeah. 1324 01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,640 Speaker 6: Right, And it's not that we're I mean, I'm not 1325 01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,160 Speaker 6: even a monster Aspinall fan. 1326 01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:52,680 Speaker 7: I think he's fun and great to watch. I think 1327 01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:53,240 Speaker 7: he'll be great. 1328 01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,280 Speaker 6: But everybody's like, oh, you're Dick Ryde and you guys 1329 01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,400 Speaker 6: just hate John. No, he's the interim champion, He's been 1330 01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,000 Speaker 6: that for a year. He's got a title defense. I'm 1331 01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,200 Speaker 6: happy that the UFC and Dana White have said, Okay, 1332 01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,840 Speaker 6: we waited on this Stepe thing, but enough is enough. 1333 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,960 Speaker 6: You will not see that in our own belt, you know, 1334 01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,520 Speaker 6: defended against again, which I think if Stepe wins that, 1335 01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,360 Speaker 6: like I said earlier, that could make it. If they 1336 01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,560 Speaker 6: don't do an immediate John rematch, that could make things 1337 01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:17,240 Speaker 6: very interesting on how seat division. 1338 01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,160 Speaker 1: Here's the reality. Tell me if I'm wrong, Tell me 1339 01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,760 Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, to the best of what we can tell, 1340 01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,880 Speaker 1: which again is limited information, but to the best of 1341 01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,960 Speaker 1: what we can tell. The reason why Jones versus Aspinall 1342 01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,600 Speaker 1: is so appealing is John has a bunch of advantages 1343 01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:35,080 Speaker 1: and certain respects and Aspinall has some advantages in certain respects, 1344 01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:36,960 Speaker 1: and we don't know quite how it's going to match up. 1345 01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,960 Speaker 1: It's a fifty to fifty fight. That's why I want 1346 01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:41,640 Speaker 1: to see it. People keep thinking we want to see 1347 01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,920 Speaker 1: John fight Aspinall because oh, Aspnaal is gonna wipe the 1348 01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,400 Speaker 1: floor with him, dude, Aspinall. On this show, we have 1349 01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,720 Speaker 1: talked about many of his technical hang ups and how 1350 01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,520 Speaker 1: he doesn't have any experience talk about a fight going long. 1351 01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:57,120 Speaker 1: John has rescued himself multiple times in fights that have 1352 01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,680 Speaker 1: gone a long. We haven't even seen Aspinall get there. 1353 01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,400 Speaker 1: To me, it's a coin flip. But that's why we 1354 01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:02,960 Speaker 1: want to. 1355 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,680 Speaker 6: Exactly exactly, I've said it so many times. I don't 1356 01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,000 Speaker 6: want to see Jones lose. I want to see him 1357 01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,680 Speaker 6: win every single fight because I realize how special he is, 1358 01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,240 Speaker 6: not just to this era but all time. I think 1359 01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:18,919 Speaker 6: it's actually incredible that for all the pitfalls he's had, 1360 01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,640 Speaker 6: in traps that he set himself, that he fell into, 1361 01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,000 Speaker 6: that he's still here basically undefeated, still a champion, and 1362 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:28,160 Speaker 6: on the verge of cementing that all time greatness. But Luke, 1363 01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:29,320 Speaker 6: you know, I mean I thought he was going to 1364 01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,760 Speaker 6: go up to heavyweight. I'm really honest, Like maybe two 1365 01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,360 Speaker 6: years after he won the title against Showgun because he 1366 01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,480 Speaker 6: was tearing through that division so fast in his two 1367 01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,080 Speaker 6: o five prime that I thought, man, let's see him 1368 01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,840 Speaker 6: go up against Kane Velaskas Junior do Santos And you 1369 01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,120 Speaker 6: know that era would eventually produce Steepe and Francis. And 1370 01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:47,760 Speaker 6: I don't say that again because I want to see 1371 01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,600 Speaker 6: John knocked out because I believed that he was going 1372 01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,040 Speaker 6: to be any heavyweight they put in front of him, 1373 01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,440 Speaker 6: and I'm still not sure I'm wrong on that even today. 1374 01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:00,320 Speaker 6: So John, show us your greatness. I'm happy that you're back. 1375 01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:02,920 Speaker 7: Just stop setting traps on yourself. 1376 01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:07,560 Speaker 6: Basically, unless Luke, Unless he's been setting traps on us 1377 01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,920 Speaker 6: for weeks and months and he has no problem fighting aspinall, 1378 01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,840 Speaker 6: he's just trying to drive up that price and create headlines. 1379 01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:15,480 Speaker 7: Maybe I just don't. 1380 01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:19,120 Speaker 6: Believe he'd be that long, long term planning and diabolical 1381 01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,360 Speaker 6: when he's so focused on the fight, you know, I 1382 01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,560 Speaker 6: think he's showing us his natural instincts. 1383 01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:23,880 Speaker 1: All right. 1384 01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,440 Speaker 6: Before Sean Porter gets here and we transition into the 1385 01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,560 Speaker 6: Mike Tyson Jake Paul Zone, let's go to topic number three, 1386 01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:33,240 Speaker 6: our co main event and undercard here for UFC three 1387 01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:33,840 Speaker 6: h nine. 1388 01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:35,880 Speaker 7: Not the deepest undercard. 1389 01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,960 Speaker 6: Not the deepest at all, but this cole main event 1390 01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:41,440 Speaker 6: is a banger of five rounds in the lightweight division, 1391 01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,919 Speaker 6: a rematch of their title fight from twenty twenty one, 1392 01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,040 Speaker 6: and this time Luke the champion has a name, he 1393 01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:48,960 Speaker 6: just doesn't have a belt. 1394 01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:52,720 Speaker 7: Charles Olivera who submitted Chandler. 1395 01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,360 Speaker 6: The first fight after getting knocked down early and nearly stopped, 1396 01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:59,280 Speaker 6: is a minus two sixty five betting favorite, despite coming 1397 01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,479 Speaker 6: off the close life to Armin Serukian and Chandler coming 1398 01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:06,680 Speaker 6: in two years away from his last fight at plus 1399 01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:10,960 Speaker 6: two fifteen. Luke, how fired up are you for this 1400 01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:11,840 Speaker 6: great rematch? 1401 01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,800 Speaker 1: I can't wait. This is the best fight on the card. 1402 01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:19,280 Speaker 1: This is so much fun and BC like, there's so 1403 01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:23,880 Speaker 1: many ways this could go as a fight itself and 1404 01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:27,280 Speaker 1: what you could do with the result. So the winner 1405 01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,240 Speaker 1: could ostensibly get a title shot right away. That's something 1406 01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,240 Speaker 1: that could happen. We will see again. I think a 1407 01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,640 Speaker 1: lot of that will depend on timing. I don't know 1408 01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:36,840 Speaker 1: about that, but that's one way it could go. Another 1409 01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,880 Speaker 1: way it could go. BC is doesn't matter who wins. 1410 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,440 Speaker 1: Michael Chandler Charles olivera winner that has a date with 1411 01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:47,640 Speaker 1: Max Holloway for the BMF belt. Holy fucking shit, Yes, 1412 01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:50,320 Speaker 1: I'll take that, dude. I would, depending on how the 1413 01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,400 Speaker 1: fight goes, I would even accept the loser of this 1414 01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:55,120 Speaker 1: bout fighting Max Holloway for the BMF. I'm not saying 1415 01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:57,600 Speaker 1: that's like the most justified way to do it, but like, 1416 01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:01,600 Speaker 1: there's just no way this fight is gonna unless something 1417 01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,160 Speaker 1: accidental happens right somebody in which we don't want. We 1418 01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:07,520 Speaker 1: don't want an injury, we don't want a bad reffing situation, 1419 01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,320 Speaker 1: we don't want obviously any kind of fucked up judging thing. 1420 01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,720 Speaker 1: But I just feel like this fight, you know, I 1421 01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,920 Speaker 1: don't know how long it's gonna last. There's just it's 1422 01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,280 Speaker 1: such a crazy thing. But based on the fight itself, 1423 01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,400 Speaker 1: based on the results, based on where it could go, 1424 01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,280 Speaker 1: there's like, I don't even know what about this fight 1425 01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,280 Speaker 1: you could even Dislike, are these guys exactly at the 1426 01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,280 Speaker 1: peak of their primes? No, so you're getting it, you know, 1427 01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,600 Speaker 1: a little bit late. However, you already got it once already, 1428 01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:32,280 Speaker 1: when when at least one of these guys was in 1429 01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,680 Speaker 1: the peak of their powers in Charles Olivera and we're 1430 01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,280 Speaker 1: not too too far away from that necessarily. So this 1431 01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:40,240 Speaker 1: is just such a fun fight, so many questions for 1432 01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:44,600 Speaker 1: both guys, especially Michael Chandler. I freaking love it. What 1433 01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,560 Speaker 1: is there to dislike about it? Nothing serious? 1434 01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:50,160 Speaker 6: I mean, even Chandler coming in on that two year layoff, 1435 01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,360 Speaker 6: you know, unsuccessfully getting Connor McGregor into the cage, and 1436 01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,800 Speaker 6: even with him having lost three of his last four 1437 01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,960 Speaker 6: coming in, but all you know, fight of the nights, 1438 01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,600 Speaker 6: all action wars against some of the best in this division. 1439 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,640 Speaker 7: Chandler, Luke, it's hard not. 1440 01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,080 Speaker 6: To I'm serious, it's hard not to chair for the 1441 01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:09,600 Speaker 6: guy because he works so damn hard. He's such an optimist. 1442 01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,680 Speaker 6: Even if he got ultimately played by Connor, and he did, 1443 01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:15,720 Speaker 6: he's always silver lining it, always trying to find out. 1444 01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:19,080 Speaker 6: So what he's saying, Luke in this time off is 1445 01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:22,520 Speaker 6: that he has trained and prepared himself not to do 1446 01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:24,680 Speaker 6: the I'm only here for you know, not here for 1447 01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:26,919 Speaker 6: a long time, here for a good time. He's talking 1448 01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,600 Speaker 6: about getting back into title contention and winning the title. 1449 01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,479 Speaker 6: He's used this two years in his What he's trying 1450 01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,720 Speaker 6: to say in his own self narrative to rebuild himself 1451 01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:39,640 Speaker 6: in every possible way, mentally, physically, spiritually, so that it's 1452 01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,720 Speaker 6: not thirty eight year old action fighter Michael Chandler coming in, but, 1453 01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,080 Speaker 6: in his words, the best Michael Chandler ever. I want 1454 01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,880 Speaker 6: to show you first pictures of Chandler in the final 1455 01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,640 Speaker 6: days of his training camp and then get your take on. 1456 01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,840 Speaker 6: Do you think it's possible that the layoff could have 1457 01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:58,120 Speaker 6: served him perfectly to regenerate and that we may see 1458 01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:00,320 Speaker 6: the most dangerous Chandler we've ever seen in the octody. 1459 01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:06,560 Speaker 1: Dude, he looks like I mean, damn died to the socks. 1460 01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:11,480 Speaker 6: I need pharmacist number right now, throw up, throw up 1461 01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:12,560 Speaker 6: the picture again one more time. 1462 01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:14,760 Speaker 1: I mean, look at that, bro, he's got the trap 1463 01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,360 Speaker 1: bar dead left going on. I mean, just not an 1464 01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:20,560 Speaker 1: ounce of I mean, it's absurd, it's absurd. How old 1465 01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:21,919 Speaker 1: is he thirty nine thirty? 1466 01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:24,880 Speaker 7: But his body is a wonderland? 1467 01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:25,120 Speaker 3: Dude? 1468 01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:26,440 Speaker 1: Well, you know what, here's the thing. I mean, he 1469 01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,400 Speaker 1: keeps himself in great shape year around. I don't think 1470 01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,080 Speaker 1: he really like, he doesn't pull a Patty pimblet right, 1471 01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:32,840 Speaker 1: he doesn't get fat as hell and then has to 1472 01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:34,840 Speaker 1: lose it all again. He just stays lean as shit. 1473 01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,920 Speaker 1: He's an incredible condition, you know. So this is what 1474 01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,600 Speaker 1: makes me hype for it. It's like, on the one hand, 1475 01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,600 Speaker 1: the guy just burned two years of his career when 1476 01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:45,320 Speaker 1: he came to the UFC, and he knew this was 1477 01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:46,920 Speaker 1: the time to strike, and I feel really bad for 1478 01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,000 Speaker 1: him in that regard, But you know, I mean, he 1479 01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,040 Speaker 1: also made his own decisions. He's an adult, like he 1480 01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:53,080 Speaker 1: has to kind of live with where he's at. At 1481 01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:56,120 Speaker 1: the same time, going back to the steep a conversation, BC, 1482 01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:59,000 Speaker 1: if he had any long term injuries, he probably got 1483 01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,280 Speaker 1: a chance to heal him. He finally got a chance. 1484 01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,200 Speaker 1: I think he spooked to Ben folks about this to 1485 01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:06,520 Speaker 1: get out of the camp camp camp routine, take a minute, 1486 01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,600 Speaker 1: work on some skilled development issues, and then bring it 1487 01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:11,960 Speaker 1: back to the to the forefront. Plus in that time 1488 01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:15,320 Speaker 1: you got to see arminsaar yuki in beat Charles Olivera 1489 01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,000 Speaker 1: And I know that that fight got close with that 1490 01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,599 Speaker 1: guillotine attempt and some other stuff, But at the same 1491 01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:21,240 Speaker 1: time you got to probably pick up on a little 1492 01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:22,920 Speaker 1: bit of that. So like this fight, man, the first 1493 01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,000 Speaker 1: fight that these guys had was a rock'msakam affair. This 1494 01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,240 Speaker 1: one I think will be that, but they're gonna both 1495 01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:31,599 Speaker 1: have some added wrinkles to add to it. It's gonna 1496 01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:32,080 Speaker 1: be a banger. 1497 01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:35,240 Speaker 6: I wonder how much those added wrinkles. And Michael hasn't 1498 01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:38,400 Speaker 6: avoided this topic will come in the wrestling department because 1499 01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:41,200 Speaker 6: we know he has that great background, but he's really 1500 01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:44,400 Speaker 6: fallen in love with slugging, landing those big athletic right 1501 01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:46,680 Speaker 6: hands from over the top and being you know, a 1502 01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:51,800 Speaker 6: constant agitator, regressor sometimes reckless pressure. Do you see him 1503 01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,320 Speaker 6: returning to his roots here and maybe really trying to 1504 01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:57,479 Speaker 6: hold Olivera down, even though then you're walking right into 1505 01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:00,799 Speaker 6: the den of the best submission artist's ever produced. 1506 01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:03,400 Speaker 1: I mean, yes and no. Like I do think that 1507 01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,640 Speaker 1: guys are understanding better now how to neutralize certain jiu 1508 01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:14,200 Speaker 1: jitsu positions, like for example, during that time that Chandler 1509 01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:17,160 Speaker 1: fought Olivera, a lot of guys were doing this bit 1510 01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:19,200 Speaker 1: where they would and it's common in MMA. It's like 1511 01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:21,639 Speaker 1: a completely common position where either you took the guy 1512 01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:24,240 Speaker 1: down or he's flat on his back facing you, and 1513 01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:26,479 Speaker 1: the opponent is standing up looking over him, and they 1514 01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:28,200 Speaker 1: may be looking to pass. They might be looking for 1515 01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:30,320 Speaker 1: a ground pound opportunity, one of the two or both, 1516 01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:34,479 Speaker 1: and during that time, in most guys situations, you have 1517 01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:37,360 Speaker 1: to control a leg or both legs, at least one typically, 1518 01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,880 Speaker 1: and then you make your move. Olivera during this time 1519 01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:42,920 Speaker 1: was benefiting from the fact that people hadn't picked up 1520 01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,439 Speaker 1: on the reality that if you stand above him while 1521 01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,240 Speaker 1: he's in guard, he's gonna he's gonna enter into what's 1522 01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:50,559 Speaker 1: like a daily Heava guard or reverse daily Viva guard, 1523 01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,640 Speaker 1: a daily Heva X guard, like some variety of that, 1524 01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:58,480 Speaker 1: where he's weaving the legs in between yours for these entanglements, 1525 01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:00,200 Speaker 1: and then then he can get underneath you. He can 1526 01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,640 Speaker 1: get behind you, he can do all kinds of he 1527 01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:04,479 Speaker 1: can go for a leg lock like it's just a 1528 01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,160 Speaker 1: big problem guys more recently in armand so you can 1529 01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:09,920 Speaker 1: did none of this. He was able to go chest 1530 01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:13,360 Speaker 1: to chest and keep him flat. That was a workable thing. 1531 01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:15,479 Speaker 1: Like he now this is a five round fight. That 1532 01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,760 Speaker 1: was a three round fight. There's some notable differences. That's 1533 01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,240 Speaker 1: a big one. But I'm just saying guys have gotten 1534 01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,840 Speaker 1: a little bit better about staying away from the standard 1535 01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:29,240 Speaker 1: good position for MMA, bad position when going against Charles Olavera. 1536 01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:31,800 Speaker 1: There's just more tape on him to this point, and 1537 01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:36,040 Speaker 1: so I feel like, you know the thing that, on 1538 01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,920 Speaker 1: the one hand, that should benefit Chandler, like he should know. 1539 01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:41,559 Speaker 1: I thought, this guy, we've now seen other guys have 1540 01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:44,320 Speaker 1: some success against him. We can we can do a 1541 01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,439 Speaker 1: lot of that. The only thing that gives me some 1542 01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:50,960 Speaker 1: pause about that BC is Michael Chandler fights Michael Chandler style, 1543 01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:54,280 Speaker 1: like he just is all action because that's the way 1544 01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:57,760 Speaker 1: he is here. He can't help himself, and a lot 1545 01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,160 Speaker 1: of times that's good enough to get the dub. A 1546 01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:02,320 Speaker 1: lot of times it gets him into trouble as well. 1547 01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:04,720 Speaker 1: What's it going to be here in a five round 1548 01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,719 Speaker 1: contest against I think a thirty five year old Charles Olavera. 1549 01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:08,840 Speaker 1: We're gonna find out. 1550 01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:09,880 Speaker 7: Yeah, damn right. 1551 01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:11,639 Speaker 6: And I never even heard of a de la Joya 1552 01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:15,200 Speaker 6: guard before Luke does that go lap Thursday's or. 1553 01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:17,479 Speaker 7: Yeah there you. 1554 01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:21,160 Speaker 1: Go, dude, de la heva dala heva he he has. 1555 01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:25,000 Speaker 1: It's a guard where essentially, if you're standing above me, 1556 01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:28,400 Speaker 1: my outside leg goes against your same side outside leg, 1557 01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:30,680 Speaker 1: and then my toes curl in to the inside of 1558 01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:34,320 Speaker 1: the hamstring slash thig. It's called daily Heva Guard. It's 1559 01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,000 Speaker 1: based on a guy named Hkardo Da la Heva. Daly 1560 01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:41,160 Speaker 1: Heva was Anderson Silva's jiu jitsu coach during the latter 1561 01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:43,320 Speaker 1: part of his MMA run. Like that's how it's like 1562 01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:46,800 Speaker 1: a legendary guard and that guy was also Anderson Silva's coach. 1563 01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:47,760 Speaker 1: Like kind of a crazy thing. 1564 01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,839 Speaker 6: Is it weird that Raphael Halfael Cordero is Mike Tyson's 1565 01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:51,880 Speaker 6: assistant boxing coach? 1566 01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:54,400 Speaker 1: Dude, Like, how how did that come to be? I 1567 01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:55,400 Speaker 1: don't even understand that? 1568 01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:57,840 Speaker 7: But yeah, them for Roy Jones. But it is a 1569 01:11:57,880 --> 01:11:59,400 Speaker 7: wild connection there. 1570 01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,160 Speaker 1: I hope he gets paid. I hope he gets paid. 1571 01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:07,920 Speaker 7: Indeed. Randy Couture still the gum folks, All right, this. 1572 01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:10,200 Speaker 1: Is what I mean about booking fighter interviews. We love 1573 01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:13,519 Speaker 1: Sean Porter, we love San Porter. Sean's the man. But Sean, 1574 01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:14,080 Speaker 1: what the fuck? 1575 01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:14,320 Speaker 5: Bro? 1576 01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:15,000 Speaker 7: Yeah? 1577 01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:16,719 Speaker 6: I don't I don't know what the issue is. Charles 1578 01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,920 Speaker 6: Olivera though Luke though Bronx, he's gone back to the 1579 01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:23,760 Speaker 6: dyed silver hair hair, which means somebody's gonna get their 1580 01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:24,960 Speaker 6: girl and pregnated. 1581 01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:25,280 Speaker 7: Luke. 1582 01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:28,240 Speaker 6: I mean look, when he goes to that right, it's time, 1583 01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:32,200 Speaker 6: It's go time. I know, his his stance of the 1584 01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:35,280 Speaker 6: admiration of the Islam loss, you know, worst night of 1585 01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,920 Speaker 6: his career, worst ten minutes of his career. It's not 1586 01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,519 Speaker 6: helping by coming off the loss. Also to start, you 1587 01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,479 Speaker 6: can even though he did have moments and was very 1588 01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:44,599 Speaker 6: competitive in that fight, is there. 1589 01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:47,719 Speaker 7: Still a title run in Charles OLIVERA in your eyes? Though? 1590 01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:53,599 Speaker 1: Mm are you asking could? 1591 01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:55,519 Speaker 7: No, I'm not asking you. Will he win it? 1592 01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:58,160 Speaker 6: But I'm asking you at thirty five, is it still 1593 01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:01,000 Speaker 6: in him to go all the way and potentially regain 1594 01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:02,519 Speaker 6: that belt? 1595 01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:06,760 Speaker 1: Unlikely? But yes, yes, So for example, if he goes 1596 01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:10,120 Speaker 1: in there and smokes Chandler right and looks awesome doing it, 1597 01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:13,960 Speaker 1: and then you know, do people love We love Charles Oliver. 1598 01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:18,080 Speaker 1: Everybody loves Charles Oliver, right, He's impossible to dislike. Now, 1599 01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:20,839 Speaker 1: maybe they don't want to do an Islam rematch because 1600 01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,160 Speaker 1: maybe Islam doesn't want it and the first fight was 1601 01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,519 Speaker 1: not very close, blah blah blah. You know, like there's 1602 01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:26,920 Speaker 1: a couple of ways where that could be a problem. 1603 01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,679 Speaker 1: But even then he could fight Max Holloway, that could 1604 01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,679 Speaker 1: be a thing I would say this. I find it 1605 01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:36,439 Speaker 1: very possible for him to get a title shot, find 1606 01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:38,600 Speaker 1: it unlikely he can go all the way back and 1607 01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:46,240 Speaker 1: recapture it. And for that reason, you know, it's just 1608 01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:48,680 Speaker 1: too there's a lot of factors between people getting a 1609 01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:51,679 Speaker 1: little bit more accustomed to his style. Islam already smoked 1610 01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:53,800 Speaker 1: him one time. You know, it's tough for me to 1611 01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:55,599 Speaker 1: see him getting all the way back to that title, 1612 01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:59,639 Speaker 1: but potentially fighting and beating Max Holloway, getting a rematch 1613 01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:02,040 Speaker 1: with is I think those are very much on the table, 1614 01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:03,719 Speaker 1: depending on what happens on Saturay. 1615 01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:04,920 Speaker 7: And I think Chandler's in a spot. 1616 01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,000 Speaker 6: No Chandler is saying that it's a potential number one 1617 01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:09,640 Speaker 6: contender fight for him, but like he's got a lot 1618 01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:12,200 Speaker 6: of company goodwill for going through the Ultimate Fighter. He's 1619 01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:15,360 Speaker 6: always been a company guy, takes big opportunities on short notice, 1620 01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:17,320 Speaker 6: so he's going to get something huge. But you mentioned 1621 01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:20,080 Speaker 6: Max Holloway. Max went on his own channel this week 1622 01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:23,240 Speaker 6: to talk about this co main event and he wants 1623 01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:24,400 Speaker 6: to fight against the winner. 1624 01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:25,880 Speaker 7: It sounds let's listen. 1625 01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,520 Speaker 14: I heard olivera said he wanted to go for a BMF. 1626 01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:33,599 Speaker 14: That's pretty cool and OLIVERA, I know we have some history, 1627 01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:37,080 Speaker 14: and I know that if that fight was ever offered 1628 01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,040 Speaker 14: to me, brother, it'd be an honored to share to 1629 01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:42,639 Speaker 14: octagon with you, by your beast. You an animal, and 1630 01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,200 Speaker 14: you know, I can't wait. I can't wait for his fight. 1631 01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:46,400 Speaker 14: His fight is huge. 1632 01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:49,920 Speaker 6: I mean, I'd like Max against either guy, which I 1633 01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:52,920 Speaker 6: think you said earlier, but specifically a Doe Bronx rematch 1634 01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:56,000 Speaker 6: at this point in their careers. That's a title fight basically, 1635 01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:57,440 Speaker 6: even though it's just to be AMF. 1636 01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,200 Speaker 1: Bilt, you know, I mean, I mean, dude, what is 1637 01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,920 Speaker 1: there to dislike like about the BMF belt being on 1638 01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:05,200 Speaker 1: the line between Max Holloway at one fifty five and 1639 01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:09,680 Speaker 1: Charles freaking OLIVERA. I mean, just say yes, like that 1640 01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:11,360 Speaker 1: is such a great fight, you know. 1641 01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:12,639 Speaker 7: All right, here's the deal. 1642 01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:15,120 Speaker 6: Chandler's lost three or four and he comes really close 1643 01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:17,160 Speaker 6: when he loses because he fights like an animal. 1644 01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:19,880 Speaker 7: Is he gonna lose again here, Luke? 1645 01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:23,920 Speaker 6: Or is the two year rejuvenation, the shape he's in, 1646 01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,799 Speaker 6: the amount of time he's put into his game preparing 1647 01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:29,120 Speaker 6: for Connor and really trying to take this to the 1648 01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:32,960 Speaker 6: next level. And the fact that Olivera's on the second half, 1649 01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:37,840 Speaker 6: still dangerous but also human. Starting to feel like Chandler's time. Luke, 1650 01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,200 Speaker 6: I'm still gonna go with Chandler by knockout. What do 1651 01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:41,120 Speaker 6: you think about that? 1652 01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,840 Speaker 1: I think this time, you know, when they thought the 1653 01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,759 Speaker 1: last time, I felt a little bit more confident Charles 1654 01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:50,720 Speaker 1: would win. I mean maybe I don't know how I 1655 01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,120 Speaker 1: predicted it back then, but like just seems like it 1656 01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:56,559 Speaker 1: made more sense. Maybe this time. I don't know. This time, 1657 01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,280 Speaker 1: it's a little bit harder to say. Charles is older, 1658 01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,040 Speaker 1: he has been a little bit more figured out. But 1659 01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:04,200 Speaker 1: at the same time, two years for Chandler away that 1660 01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:07,599 Speaker 1: just can't work in his favor. I I really do. 1661 01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,040 Speaker 1: I mean, we do picks for this because we have to, 1662 01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,720 Speaker 1: but this is to me a pick him. I mean 1663 01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:14,120 Speaker 1: one of the odds, I think you may have said it. 1664 01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:15,520 Speaker 1: I may have missed minus. 1665 01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:18,280 Speaker 6: Two sixty five Olivera plus two fifteen jails. 1666 01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:21,120 Speaker 1: Wow, weng I don't, Luke, how do you feel about that? 1667 01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:26,120 Speaker 4: I think the odds are accurate. I'll say I'm definitely 1668 01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:29,519 Speaker 4: signing with Olivera. Chandler's only win in the last three 1669 01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,320 Speaker 4: years came to Tony and he lost the first round 1670 01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:34,040 Speaker 4: in all three judges scorecards in that fight. 1671 01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:37,559 Speaker 1: But he fucking he fuckings that. 1672 01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:39,760 Speaker 8: Yeah, but it was ten seconds into round two. 1673 01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,760 Speaker 4: I mean he essentially lost that entire fight before just 1674 01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:43,439 Speaker 4: landing that. 1675 01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:45,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. 1676 01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:48,759 Speaker 8: I'm not confident in Chandler at all, especially coming I'll. 1677 01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:51,280 Speaker 1: Go with Olivera. That was kind of my pick anyway. 1678 01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:53,720 Speaker 1: Talking to him kind of reinforced it a little bit. 1679 01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:55,639 Speaker 1: But I'm with you a little bit. BC. I think 1680 01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:56,679 Speaker 1: it's his time. 1681 01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,599 Speaker 7: He's right, it's his time now. It's it's a little late. 1682 01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:01,840 Speaker 1: It's a little late, but I still does the question. 1683 01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:03,360 Speaker 1: The question is does he still have a little bit 1684 01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:05,080 Speaker 1: of magic left? He might he definitely. 1685 01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:06,360 Speaker 7: Would you think he could get Max? 1686 01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:08,960 Speaker 6: By the way, like if he knocked if he knocked 1687 01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,760 Speaker 6: no bronks out, is it islam or nothing for him? 1688 01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:12,880 Speaker 7: Or do you think he could get Max? 1689 01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:20,639 Speaker 1: So here's the thing, imagine he beat Olivera the way 1690 01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:24,360 Speaker 1: he beat Ferguson, like with that like just a ridiculous ko. Right, 1691 01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:27,240 Speaker 1: I don't see how he wouldn't get a title shot 1692 01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,599 Speaker 1: because of everything he gave up. You know, I think 1693 01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,120 Speaker 1: the UFC wants he's been a company man. Dude, he 1694 01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:34,519 Speaker 1: was gonna speak in favor of the plaintiffs at the 1695 01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:36,280 Speaker 1: Kung Lee lawsuit. You know what I mean? 1696 01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:39,719 Speaker 6: By the way, just real quick, sar Yukian's got next 1697 01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,479 Speaker 6: and Islam isn't like he fights three times. 1698 01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:45,160 Speaker 1: A year, That's true, but he God, would he want 1699 01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:46,760 Speaker 1: to wait for that? I don't know, And that's that's 1700 01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,120 Speaker 1: the interesting part. Like the time, the timing of this 1701 01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:51,880 Speaker 1: changes the equation. I would just say, in a perfect world, 1702 01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:54,120 Speaker 1: I think he would get it because it'd be a 1703 01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:56,880 Speaker 1: fresh matchup. And you know, Michael Chandler is nothing if 1704 01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,320 Speaker 1: not insanely exciting, and to fight for a UFC title 1705 01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:01,400 Speaker 1: I'd be hard to turn and down. But I think 1706 01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:04,640 Speaker 1: with OLIVERA, even if he smokes Chandler, I don't know 1707 01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:06,640 Speaker 1: how they go with that. Again, it could be a 1708 01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:09,599 Speaker 1: title shot. But I hear that Max Holloway BMF thing 1709 01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:11,760 Speaker 1: just kind of sitting out in the side. Is it's 1710 01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,200 Speaker 1: such a it's such a great option for the UFC 1711 01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:14,760 Speaker 1: to have here. 1712 01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:19,080 Speaker 6: For the record, Dana did say this week regarding Connor's 1713 01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,879 Speaker 6: return late next year, Luke, I mean. 1714 01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:25,360 Speaker 7: What are we doing? What are we doing here? Okay? 1715 01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:25,840 Speaker 7: There we go. 1716 01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he will. He'll be back in twenty twenty five, 1717 01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:29,840 Speaker 1: in the later part of the eighth Dude, he's going 1718 01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:31,559 Speaker 1: to be thirty eight by the time. 1719 01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:34,120 Speaker 6: He ran, and he's going to be on six hundred 1720 01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:39,160 Speaker 6: and seventy five consecutive days of cosplaying nineteen eighty five, 1721 01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:41,880 Speaker 6: Vince Neil, I mean, come on, Luke. Also, we got 1722 01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:43,920 Speaker 6: a middleweight till on the main card. It's a shitty 1723 01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:44,320 Speaker 6: main card. 1724 01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:44,800 Speaker 7: I'm sorry. 1725 01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:47,519 Speaker 6: It is love the main Love the co Maine have 1726 01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:50,160 Speaker 6: a lot of interest in this fight. Bo Nickel back 1727 01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:55,439 Speaker 6: as a minus twelve hundred favorite against the plus seven 1728 01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:58,439 Speaker 6: point fifty Paul Craig Luke. 1729 01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:00,759 Speaker 7: First and foremost, and you know we love Paul Craig. 1730 01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:06,200 Speaker 6: Let's fucking go Scotland. But our guy is thirty six 1731 01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:12,480 Speaker 6: and Luke four losses in his last five, three by stoppage. 1732 01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:16,639 Speaker 7: Is he win or go home? Here? In your eyes? 1733 01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:24,240 Speaker 1: Uh, I do love Paul Craig. I feel like, you know, 1734 01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:26,479 Speaker 1: he's tried to reinvent himself here at middleweight. I don't 1735 01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:29,320 Speaker 1: think it's gone according to plan. This was my problem. 1736 01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:32,360 Speaker 1: It's like, dude, and I feel bad saying this because 1737 01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:36,559 Speaker 1: we love Paul Craig, he was so nice. But dropping 1738 01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:39,120 Speaker 1: weight classes or go changing weight classes, I should say, 1739 01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:40,960 Speaker 1: because you can go up or go down, but changing 1740 01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:44,120 Speaker 1: weight classes, especially when you go down, it's supposed to 1741 01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:46,920 Speaker 1: enhance the kind of game you already have. Right, So 1742 01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,240 Speaker 1: if you have like a real physical, dominant wrestling style 1743 01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:51,080 Speaker 1: and you drop him two a five to one eighty five, 1744 01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:54,599 Speaker 1: that could potentially serve you pretty well. But that's really 1745 01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:56,240 Speaker 1: not what he has. He's just kind of like a 1746 01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:59,840 Speaker 1: guard player, and he doesn't have especially great head movement, 1747 01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:02,960 Speaker 1: and he's standing BC and so it's like those things 1748 01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,160 Speaker 1: don't go away. And then the guys at one five 1749 01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:07,800 Speaker 1: they get a little bit faster. In certain ways, it 1750 01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:09,320 Speaker 1: almost magnifies. 1751 01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:11,360 Speaker 7: The protistchin's going, it's gonna go. The chin's gonna go. 1752 01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:14,040 Speaker 1: He's been like he's been getting teed off on quite 1753 01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:16,240 Speaker 1: a bit now, Bo Nichols, you know, I don't think 1754 01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:18,200 Speaker 1: he's a finished product by a stretch of the imagination. 1755 01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:21,240 Speaker 1: And Paul Craig can rescue some victories from the jaws 1756 01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:24,240 Speaker 1: of defeat a couple of times, but that seems like 1757 01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,960 Speaker 1: a tough fucking fight for him, bro a real. 1758 01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:27,400 Speaker 7: It really does. 1759 01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:30,880 Speaker 6: And I really feel like, as bo has said this week, 1760 01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:32,800 Speaker 6: he's gonna get a chance to show off his submission game, 1761 01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:34,160 Speaker 6: but obviously he's gonna chance to get a chance to 1762 01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:36,880 Speaker 6: show off his striking first. Luke bo is six and 1763 01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:39,920 Speaker 6: oh he went past the first round in his last 1764 01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,320 Speaker 6: fight for the first time at UFC three hundred against 1765 01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:46,160 Speaker 6: Cody Brundage. Do you subscribe to any belief that he 1766 01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:47,880 Speaker 6: was exposed at all in that fight? 1767 01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:54,840 Speaker 7: He got hit a little bit. It was good to 1768 01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:56,479 Speaker 7: see Brundage put up a fight. 1769 01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:01,040 Speaker 1: He was on such a steam rolling kind of thing 1770 01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:05,400 Speaker 1: that was accompanied by a weird media cycle where it 1771 01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:07,840 Speaker 1: was like, oh, he could just fight homsat now, And 1772 01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:09,200 Speaker 1: then he goes into one of these fights and he 1773 01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:12,680 Speaker 1: faced like I wouldn't call stiff resistance, but enough resistance 1774 01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:16,479 Speaker 1: to make that hype look kind of silly. Right, So 1775 01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:19,880 Speaker 1: the problem is he's in another fight where he's, like 1776 01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:23,720 Speaker 1: you said, minus twelve hundred, yes to win, like he 1777 01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:27,120 Speaker 1: has no choice but to thrash Paul Craig, and if 1778 01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:30,759 Speaker 1: there's any resistance, you know it's gonna look kind of bad. 1779 01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:32,839 Speaker 1: So I don't think he will face a ton of resistance. 1780 01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:35,040 Speaker 1: But what I was gonna say, is they need to 1781 01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:36,760 Speaker 1: get they need to find a way to match make 1782 01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:39,719 Speaker 1: him against somebody who can really put him through his paces. 1783 01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:42,760 Speaker 1: And I'm not exactly sure what that is. I just 1784 01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:44,800 Speaker 1: don't feel like Paul Craig gets us meaningfully close. 1785 01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:46,680 Speaker 7: I'm with you, Luke. Our guest is here. 1786 01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:50,200 Speaker 6: It's time to transition into all things Mike Tyson versus 1787 01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:52,880 Speaker 6: Jake Paul and the boxing side of things on behalf 1788 01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:56,479 Speaker 6: of DraftKings, A friend of the program, two time walterweight 1789 01:21:56,560 --> 01:22:01,800 Speaker 6: world champion show time Sean, Yeah, it is of the 1790 01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:05,280 Speaker 6: porter Way podcast. Sean, are you in Dallas right now? 1791 01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,320 Speaker 6: Because you're at every fight every time. 1792 01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:10,320 Speaker 5: I'm actually missing this one. I get hired to do 1793 01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:12,479 Speaker 5: a lot of work, which is why I'm everywhere. I 1794 01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:13,800 Speaker 5: didn't get hired to do this one. 1795 01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:16,280 Speaker 1: I'm okay, okay, yeah, but it looks like, based on 1796 01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:18,800 Speaker 1: the hat you're wearing, you're out delivering the newspaper out 1797 01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:19,879 Speaker 1: in the nineteenth century. 1798 01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:23,960 Speaker 5: So I was delivering kids to school and other things. 1799 01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:27,320 Speaker 6: So hey, I got midlife crisis hats just like that. Okay, 1800 01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:28,880 Speaker 6: b back on our. 1801 01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:30,599 Speaker 7: Name here, Sean. 1802 01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:34,760 Speaker 6: It's it's so weird because Luke said it himself this week. 1803 01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,679 Speaker 7: It's like in boxing, not a. 1804 01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:39,600 Speaker 6: Lot of people are going out of their way to 1805 01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:43,879 Speaker 6: talk incessantly about Mike Tyson versus Jake Paul. But outside 1806 01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:47,679 Speaker 6: of boxing, every single person is texting me all day. 1807 01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:52,080 Speaker 6: My mom is so into this fight. What do we 1808 01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:54,679 Speaker 6: do with this fight? As true boxing fans? 1809 01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:58,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean as shoe boxing fans. I'm gonna keep 1810 01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:01,679 Speaker 5: saying what I've been saying since Jake Paul jumped onto 1811 01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:06,599 Speaker 5: the screens boxing. If you understand what you're watching, what 1812 01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:10,960 Speaker 5: else needs to be said. He's an entertainer. He's a 1813 01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:16,719 Speaker 5: what do you call him? A YouTuber, social media guy, 1814 01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:20,040 Speaker 5: all that kind of stuff. He brings a different level 1815 01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:25,759 Speaker 5: of eyes, audience, and those that audience, those eyes aren't 1816 01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:29,000 Speaker 5: educated to what we know about this sport. Don't expect 1817 01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:31,160 Speaker 5: what we know to show up in this sport, even 1818 01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:34,040 Speaker 5: though it's iron Mike Tyson. Don't expect what we know 1819 01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:36,519 Speaker 5: to show up in this sport. Expect what we need 1820 01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,200 Speaker 5: more of in this sport to show up, which is entertainment. 1821 01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:40,519 Speaker 8: Wow. 1822 01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:40,920 Speaker 7: Wow. 1823 01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:43,880 Speaker 6: The obvious question here is what we saw yesterday when 1824 01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:46,920 Speaker 6: fifty eight year old Mike Tyson, the day after a 1825 01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:50,960 Speaker 6: weird press conference performance where he was either really in 1826 01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:54,040 Speaker 6: the zone or really didn't want to be there. We 1827 01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:56,240 Speaker 6: saw during the face off, and we have video here 1828 01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:59,400 Speaker 6: from Friday's Way and of apparently Jake Paul stepping on 1829 01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:02,559 Speaker 6: the foot of Mike Tyson who was wearing socks. Jake 1830 01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:05,720 Speaker 6: was wearing shoes, and Mike delivered the boom. And this 1831 01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:08,880 Speaker 6: is great for promotion. It's hard not to get fired 1832 01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:10,439 Speaker 6: up because that was a real slap. 1833 01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:11,080 Speaker 5: Yah. 1834 01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:14,960 Speaker 6: Let me ask you about the fighter inside Mike Tyson. 1835 01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:18,240 Speaker 6: Was that to send a message? Should that be taken 1836 01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:23,040 Speaker 6: dead serious, loud and clear from Jake, from Oddsmaker's betting, 1837 01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,799 Speaker 6: from everyone entering this fight this evening. 1838 01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:28,719 Speaker 5: I gotta tell you first and foremost, I appreciate it. 1839 01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:32,720 Speaker 5: Before knowing realizing that he had had his footsteped on, 1840 01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:37,599 Speaker 5: I just assumed, Mike, you just you really are doing 1841 01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:39,920 Speaker 5: whatever you want to do to sell this fight, aren't you. 1842 01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:42,680 Speaker 5: That wasn't him selling the fight so much as it 1843 01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:46,519 Speaker 5: was being in ay moment and they zone. And that's 1844 01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:49,880 Speaker 5: what happens when it's go time, when we're faced with war, 1845 01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:53,120 Speaker 5: where war is right ahead of us, our minds are 1846 01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:56,680 Speaker 5: triggered to just ready to explode, and so I think 1847 01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:58,720 Speaker 5: that that was more real than I knew to be 1848 01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:03,120 Speaker 5: in the moment. However, it's still a part of the show, 1849 01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:06,800 Speaker 5: which is why the fight continues to go on, which 1850 01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:11,519 Speaker 5: is why Jake stands there like it didn't hurt. Let's 1851 01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:13,760 Speaker 5: keep it real. A real fighter would have been doing 1852 01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,559 Speaker 5: any and everything they needed to do to get to Mike. 1853 01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:19,080 Speaker 5: It don't matter that it is Mike Tyson. A real 1854 01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:22,000 Speaker 5: fighter would have been trying to go after that and 1855 01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:25,720 Speaker 5: get that back, you know. So it's a part of 1856 01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:27,160 Speaker 5: the show. I think, if anything, we can say the 1857 01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:30,360 Speaker 5: show has began. We can expect that kind of fire 1858 01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,960 Speaker 5: from Mike on fight night. But here's what I know 1859 01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:35,519 Speaker 5: as an athlete, which is what most people don't know 1860 01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:38,639 Speaker 5: and understand, and why you can't see very many fighters 1861 01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:44,080 Speaker 5: go twelve rounds in a boxing match, is because he's 1862 01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:47,240 Speaker 5: older and he doesn't that energy that he just showed 1863 01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:50,479 Speaker 5: right there in that moment. It will have moments of 1864 01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:53,240 Speaker 5: energy like that, but he won't be able to sustain it. 1865 01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:56,720 Speaker 5: So no one should expect that iron Mike Tyson, that 1866 01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,960 Speaker 5: was twenty five, thirty forty years old. Everybody wants to 1867 01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:03,120 Speaker 5: that Mike, because everybody wants to see the problem child 1868 01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:05,360 Speaker 5: get hurt, but the problem child's gonna be all right. 1869 01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:09,800 Speaker 1: Okay, Sean, let's talk a little x's and o's right. 1870 01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:13,920 Speaker 1: Tell me from a real boxing eye, like, imagine you 1871 01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:15,840 Speaker 1: were hired to coach the guy you had to like 1872 01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:18,519 Speaker 1: really figure this out. Give me a couple of things 1873 01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:22,360 Speaker 1: Jake Paul legitimately has that's pretty good. We're not talking 1874 01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:25,320 Speaker 1: Bud Crawford level or even like you know, top fifteen level, 1875 01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:28,400 Speaker 1: but some things he can do well. And then a 1876 01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:30,880 Speaker 1: couple of things you noticed from a technical perspective that 1877 01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:31,920 Speaker 1: might get him in trouble. 1878 01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:37,200 Speaker 5: I don't know, man, he he has shown power. I 1879 01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:40,960 Speaker 5: think that if anybody's talking about Jake, they're talking about 1880 01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:46,240 Speaker 5: his right hand. He's he's shown power, but he's shown 1881 01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:50,920 Speaker 5: power against older opposition. He's shown power against opposition that's 1882 01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,439 Speaker 5: been that have been in a lot of wars and 1883 01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:56,439 Speaker 5: don't have the punch resistance. Again, these are the things 1884 01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:59,680 Speaker 5: that we as fight fans, we as boxing analysts, These 1885 01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:02,679 Speaker 5: are the things that we know that people that watch 1886 01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:06,759 Speaker 5: him don't know. When you talk about what he does well, 1887 01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:13,360 Speaker 5: maybe timing, maybe maybe maybe timing. I put that before 1888 01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:16,360 Speaker 5: the power because people don't Again, things that people don't understand. 1889 01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:19,559 Speaker 5: If you don't have the timing, the power don't matter. 1890 01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:24,519 Speaker 5: Deontay Water amazing power, but without the timing, with the 1891 01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:28,200 Speaker 5: likes of a Tyson Fury, he never finds that moment, 1892 01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:31,160 Speaker 5: the power don't matter, you know. So the things that 1893 01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:34,200 Speaker 5: might get him in trouble pulling straight back, I mean 1894 01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:38,720 Speaker 5: everything that the amateurs do he does. He's an amateur 1895 01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:43,599 Speaker 5: fighting on a very very high scale. And I'm saying 1896 01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:47,240 Speaker 5: that to be respectful. He truly is an amateur fighter 1897 01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:50,759 Speaker 5: fighting on a very high scale. So he does everything 1898 01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:53,439 Speaker 5: that he does is very amateur. The hand being down, 1899 01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:57,639 Speaker 5: the bouncing right in in the same position. You don't 1900 01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:00,960 Speaker 5: see boxers bouncing the same position. We bounced back and 1901 01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,360 Speaker 5: forth because we know that at any moment we need 1902 01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:06,280 Speaker 5: to be able to create space. Amateurs do this right, 1903 01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:08,080 Speaker 5: and you know so, I think there's a lot of 1904 01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:10,519 Speaker 5: things that could get him in trouble, but I don't 1905 01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:12,680 Speaker 5: think Mike's going to be able to capitalize on very 1906 01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:13,240 Speaker 5: much of it. 1907 01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:15,760 Speaker 1: All right, So the last time we saw Mike was 1908 01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:16,800 Speaker 1: about four years ago. 1909 01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:18,720 Speaker 5: By the way, I want to this is my disclaimer. 1910 01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:21,479 Speaker 5: I'm not trying to talk myself into a fight. I 1911 01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:23,880 Speaker 5: want to make sure that this is clear. If Jake 1912 01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:25,960 Speaker 5: was to call me out, you guys won't see me 1913 01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:27,760 Speaker 5: get in the ring with Jake. Paul. I'm not I'm 1914 01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:30,560 Speaker 5: not here for this, but I gotta be honest. 1915 01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:33,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough, that's why, that's why we wanted you here, 1916 01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:36,439 Speaker 1: all right. But for Mike, right, last time we saw 1917 01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:38,800 Speaker 1: him was about four years ago was the Roy Jones 1918 01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,679 Speaker 1: Junior exhibition. But by the way, mostly the same rules. 1919 01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:43,800 Speaker 1: Eight rounds, two minutes. I don't remember what size the 1920 01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:45,960 Speaker 1: gloves were, but it it was pretty similar, although the 1921 01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:51,120 Speaker 1: difference of courses that Roy was also old. Nevertheless, Mike 1922 01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:54,640 Speaker 1: has a famous peekaboo style, and of course we're not 1923 01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:56,840 Speaker 1: talking about the you know, from his heyday, but you 1924 01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:59,599 Speaker 1: saw even a little bit of that against Roy Jones Junior. 1925 01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:04,040 Speaker 1: Four years have he elapsed? Tell me from a technical perspective, 1926 01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:08,120 Speaker 1: what you can actually expect from Tyson for at least, 1927 01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:10,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. A couple of rounds, Yeah, I think 1928 01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:12,760 Speaker 1: it's gonna I think it has to be a couple 1929 01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:14,920 Speaker 1: of rounds at most. 1930 01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:20,679 Speaker 5: In the analogy I use Mike is just a classic car, 1931 01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:24,400 Speaker 5: the classic car that still looks great and is in 1932 01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:28,360 Speaker 5: great condition, especially for as many miles are on the 1933 01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:31,040 Speaker 5: classic car. But when you pull the classic car out, 1934 01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:33,320 Speaker 5: you're just gonna drive it thirty five miles per hour. 1935 01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:35,640 Speaker 5: You're not gonna take that bad boy up to the 1936 01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:38,559 Speaker 5: one hundred miles per hour, to even the eighty miles 1937 01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:40,559 Speaker 5: per hour like he used to. You ain't gonna do 1938 01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:43,439 Speaker 5: that no more. If you did that to the classic car, 1939 01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:45,080 Speaker 5: how long are you gonna be able to keep it 1940 01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:47,200 Speaker 5: up there? That's why you don't do it, you know. 1941 01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:50,280 Speaker 5: So if Mike comes out, he has to be patient, 1942 01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:53,240 Speaker 5: he has to pay himself. If he's able to pay himself, 1943 01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:55,880 Speaker 5: we may see a couple of bursts here and there. 1944 01:29:56,280 --> 01:30:00,360 Speaker 5: But the way I think it's gonna happen, I don't 1945 01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:02,080 Speaker 5: know how smart he is. I don't know how smart 1946 01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:05,160 Speaker 5: the team is around him. You know, A big separation 1947 01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:08,720 Speaker 5: between the mic and his heyday and and even the 1948 01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:12,760 Speaker 5: mic of that fight that fought Roy. The game, the 1949 01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:16,360 Speaker 5: part of the game that's that's evolved so much is 1950 01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:19,360 Speaker 5: the scientific side of boxing, and so you have a 1951 01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:22,280 Speaker 5: lot of fighters that have strength and conditioning coaches. Now 1952 01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:25,639 Speaker 5: nutrition is now. Mike don't come from that. So if 1953 01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:27,719 Speaker 5: Mike don't come from that, then how can we expect 1954 01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:31,599 Speaker 5: him to be smart and and strategical now? 1955 01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:32,000 Speaker 3: You know? 1956 01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:34,840 Speaker 5: So again trying to be as respectful and loving to 1957 01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:37,200 Speaker 5: Mike as I can, but I don't I don't think 1958 01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:41,080 Speaker 5: Mike's gonna be able to keep up a certain pace 1959 01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:46,640 Speaker 5: that's needed to to beat the young Lamborghini, you know, 1960 01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:50,760 Speaker 5: and the Lamborghini the guy driving it, you know, he's 1961 01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:52,960 Speaker 5: out of control himself, you know. So I think it's 1962 01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:54,639 Speaker 5: gonna be more fun for us than anything. 1963 01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:57,720 Speaker 1: Do you do you worry at all? And I mean 1964 01:30:57,760 --> 01:30:58,680 Speaker 1: that word literally. 1965 01:30:58,479 --> 01:30:59,799 Speaker 5: What Brian asked a question. 1966 01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:02,640 Speaker 1: He's got the next one. He's got the next one. 1967 01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:04,280 Speaker 7: Hey, you just. 1968 01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:10,360 Speaker 1: You just delivered the paper and piped down. In all seriousness, 1969 01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:13,400 Speaker 1: I have seen some people be like, I'm like, legitimately 1970 01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:15,280 Speaker 1: terrified for Mike's health? 1971 01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:15,640 Speaker 3: Are you? 1972 01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:18,400 Speaker 1: I think all of us are probably a little bit concerned. 1973 01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:20,400 Speaker 1: Are you? Are you worried? Are you terrified? 1974 01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:24,360 Speaker 5: Even I got to feel in what we didn't see yesterday, 1975 01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:27,400 Speaker 5: I didn't see. I don't think we saw respect. I think, 1976 01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:31,920 Speaker 5: if anything, Jake stepping on his toes was probably him 1977 01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:34,640 Speaker 5: trying to disrespect Mike, and Mike came right back with 1978 01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:38,640 Speaker 5: the same disrespect on fight night tonight. I think we're 1979 01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:43,040 Speaker 5: gonna get more respect, and I think it'll be It'll 1980 01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:45,720 Speaker 5: be It'll be safer there for both guys, safer than 1981 01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:46,840 Speaker 5: most people want it to be. 1982 01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:48,440 Speaker 7: Interesting. 1983 01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:51,640 Speaker 6: I want to make the Mayweather McGregor comparison only on 1984 01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:55,360 Speaker 6: this sean. It seems like as the years go on, 1985 01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:58,479 Speaker 6: we've almost come to terms with the idea that Floyd 1986 01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:02,880 Speaker 6: probably carried Connor let him gast himself out. You know, 1987 01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:05,080 Speaker 6: I hear people say Flood didn't really chain or take 1988 01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:08,160 Speaker 6: that seriously, and maybe I got fooled watching it live 1989 01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:10,000 Speaker 6: in the arena that Connor was doing better than he 1990 01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:14,880 Speaker 6: actually was. Do you expect Jake to carry Mike? Do 1991 01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:17,760 Speaker 6: you expect Jake to hold a lot, to try to 1992 01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:20,599 Speaker 6: mute anything Mike's gonna bring to the table. How does 1993 01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:22,880 Speaker 6: Jake deal with the fact that he could get knocked 1994 01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:25,559 Speaker 6: out but he's also expected to beat up this old man? 1995 01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:29,639 Speaker 5: Quick quick story. If you have never been around fighters, 1996 01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:34,240 Speaker 5: on fight night, a big fight, all of us young fighters, 1997 01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:38,240 Speaker 5: we the champions. We all sit around the ring and 1998 01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:40,599 Speaker 5: we all sit next to each other and we all 1999 01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:43,200 Speaker 5: talk about the fight. What you see me do on TV. 2000 01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:45,960 Speaker 5: A lot of these fighters can do what I do. 2001 01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:47,960 Speaker 5: I'm just the one doing it right now because I 2002 01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:52,320 Speaker 5: probably smile the best. But anyway, so when when Mayweather 2003 01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:57,479 Speaker 5: McGregor was happening, everybody, man, what is what is Mayweather doing? 2004 01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:57,720 Speaker 3: Man? 2005 01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:02,799 Speaker 5: He triven? Man, he gonna he gonna lose after about 2006 01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:06,840 Speaker 5: six rounds, and I mean, everybody was frantic, and I'm 2007 01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:09,360 Speaker 5: talking about I'm not gonna name any names, but the 2008 01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:13,720 Speaker 5: who's who's, especially of PBC fighters when they thought we 2009 01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:15,920 Speaker 5: were all sitting around each other, and for the first 2010 01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:19,519 Speaker 5: three to four rounds, everybody was worried that Floyd was 2011 01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:23,880 Speaker 5: gonna lose the fight. After about six rounds, everybody started 2012 01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:26,840 Speaker 5: to lay back and say he was just carrying him. 2013 01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:29,559 Speaker 5: He was just doing that. And then we came to 2014 01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:33,439 Speaker 5: realize he smarter than all of us. Take this kid 2015 01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:35,519 Speaker 5: to the deep waters and he won't be able to 2016 01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:38,320 Speaker 5: swim at all. On the other side of that, I 2017 01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:41,479 Speaker 5: do think that we could see a situation where Jake 2018 01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:45,639 Speaker 5: is carrying Tyson. I think that what we'll see early 2019 01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:49,599 Speaker 5: is a lot of grabbing and holding from from from Jake, 2020 01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:51,960 Speaker 5: and I think we're gonna get some antics as well. 2021 01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:55,400 Speaker 5: I think that that's gonna also wear down Mike. And 2022 01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:58,160 Speaker 5: I think that if anything, it'll it'll it'll add the 2023 01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:01,400 Speaker 5: level of what if he it's loose and get and 2024 01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:04,559 Speaker 5: lets off on Jake. I don't think that's gonna happen. 2025 01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:08,200 Speaker 5: If I could bet anything, I bet we'd see Jake 2026 01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:12,479 Speaker 5: carry Tyson more than anything, trying to be as respectful 2027 01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:15,240 Speaker 5: as possible, especially to Mike. But you just get to 2028 01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:17,960 Speaker 5: a point and I know he's trying to define and 2029 01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:20,519 Speaker 5: beat all of the odds with his age and all 2030 01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:23,479 Speaker 5: those kinds of things. I'm not a believer, so hopefully 2031 01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:25,280 Speaker 5: he makes me believer on tonight. 2032 01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:29,599 Speaker 6: Indeed, uh the fourteen ounce glove, Sean, I did sear 2033 01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:31,760 Speaker 6: Roy Jones say when he fought Mike four years ago 2034 01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:34,280 Speaker 6: he was blown away at how hard Mike hits even 2035 01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:37,240 Speaker 6: with the expectations and also the head movement and defense. 2036 01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:40,599 Speaker 6: He was blown away on It's like, is the four 2037 01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:44,040 Speaker 6: do the fourteen ounce gloves mute Tyson's power? What's it 2038 01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:46,439 Speaker 6: really like with those gloves compared to the ten or 2039 01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:49,080 Speaker 6: the eight ounce? And could Mike with one shot and 2040 01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:51,240 Speaker 6: this fight realistically. 2041 01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:53,479 Speaker 5: Number one, Mike with one shot, and realistically in this 2042 01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:57,040 Speaker 5: fight number two. Again, you have a fighter who ain't 2043 01:34:57,160 --> 01:35:00,920 Speaker 5: used to getting hit. Okay, definitely not you getting hit 2044 01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:03,960 Speaker 5: with eights and ten hours gloves. The fourteen hours don't 2045 01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:07,720 Speaker 5: matter if he touches. If he touches Jake, and this 2046 01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:11,400 Speaker 5: fight is what it could actually be, and he touches Jake, 2047 01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:16,400 Speaker 5: he could he could actually seriously hurt Jake. Jake, it 2048 01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:20,840 Speaker 5: takes years to develop a chin. You don't just wake 2049 01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:26,439 Speaker 5: up with the chin, Okay. So if the kid ain't ain't, 2050 01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:30,080 Speaker 5: ain't on his job, and ain't as strong as he 2051 01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:33,800 Speaker 5: thinks he is, this could actually go go south. I 2052 01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:35,320 Speaker 5: don't expect it to, but it could. 2053 01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:40,160 Speaker 6: It's it's what's gonna make everybody tune in without question 2054 01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:43,280 Speaker 6: and stay with it as the fight goes on the best. 2055 01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:45,920 Speaker 6: You know, we all feel like we know Tyson because 2056 01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:48,320 Speaker 6: you know, if you're a fight fan, you grew up 2057 01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:50,040 Speaker 6: with him, if you played the video game, if you 2058 01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:52,400 Speaker 6: were a teenager like I was when he got out 2059 01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:55,000 Speaker 6: of jail, and you know you you just forgive what 2060 01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:57,559 Speaker 6: he did because it's Mike Tyson, right, Unlike any other 2061 01:35:57,640 --> 01:36:00,760 Speaker 6: athlete ever so we all love him, care for him. 2062 01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:03,280 Speaker 6: But if you can get in his head, why is 2063 01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:03,880 Speaker 6: he doing this? 2064 01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:10,519 Speaker 5: But oh, great question. It probably is just simply pride. 2065 01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:15,400 Speaker 5: He probably is has always been the man. He has 2066 01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:19,160 Speaker 5: always been the man, and I think, probably more than anything, 2067 01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:22,760 Speaker 5: when Jake started talking about possibly fighting him and the 2068 01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:25,000 Speaker 5: things that he could do to him, I gotta feel 2069 01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:27,599 Speaker 5: in this pride. Right after the pride comes the money, 2070 01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:31,720 Speaker 5: and you know, maybe you know, the thing that we 2071 01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:35,080 Speaker 5: can't downplay is the fact that this is the sport 2072 01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:38,960 Speaker 5: that Mike has grown up doing and loves entirely. And 2073 01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,719 Speaker 5: so I'm sure that it's a lot of that as well, 2074 01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:44,920 Speaker 5: where he just has an opportunity to do what he loves. 2075 01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:48,720 Speaker 5: And I think he'll be safe. I think he'll be 2076 01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:49,120 Speaker 5: all right. 2077 01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:51,800 Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing I come down to on 2078 01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:55,519 Speaker 1: the sword. Somebody asked me this week. They were like, Uh, 2079 01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:58,880 Speaker 1: why is Tyson doing this? Is it just for the money? 2080 01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:03,240 Speaker 1: And I was saying to myself, I'm like, why is 2081 01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:05,640 Speaker 1: that a bad thing? I mean, I know the implication. 2082 01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:08,599 Speaker 1: The implication is you are doing it for the money, 2083 01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:11,479 Speaker 1: and you're so unprepared and you're so unready for it. 2084 01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:13,680 Speaker 1: It'll be a disaster. But I remember that. Do you 2085 01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:17,439 Speaker 1: remember when Tank Davis fought Ryan Garcia and Ryan's like, 2086 01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:20,280 Speaker 1: it's about more than money, and Tank is like, no, 2087 01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:23,519 Speaker 1: it's not, you fucking idiot, It's about this, And I 2088 01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:26,000 Speaker 1: kind of had that feeling. I'm like, yeah, yeah, he's 2089 01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:29,400 Speaker 1: doing it for the money. That's it's called prize fighting, Sean, 2090 01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:30,679 Speaker 1: Why is that so bad? 2091 01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:36,000 Speaker 5: It's not so bad? But what so for Mike Tyson? 2092 01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:41,360 Speaker 5: And the big thing is everyone knowing how much money 2093 01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:44,559 Speaker 5: he's made or whatever they think he's made, and then 2094 01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:47,559 Speaker 5: knowing how much he's lost whatever they think he's lost. 2095 01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:52,200 Speaker 5: This the big thing for this is whenever you see 2096 01:37:52,200 --> 01:37:53,880 Speaker 5: a fighter, it just kind of is what it is. 2097 01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:55,960 Speaker 5: Whenever you see a fighter come back to the ring, 2098 01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:59,519 Speaker 5: the first thing you think of is the bank account. 2099 01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:03,800 Speaker 5: He needed that because, like Tank said, we do it 2100 01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:06,040 Speaker 5: for the money. We do it because it's what we 2101 01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:08,800 Speaker 5: love to do. If you're someone like me, this was 2102 01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:11,400 Speaker 5: the vehicle to get me to everything else that I'm 2103 01:38:11,439 --> 01:38:13,400 Speaker 5: doing in life, and I felt like I had to 2104 01:38:13,439 --> 01:38:15,760 Speaker 5: go through this in order to get where I am now. 2105 01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:18,479 Speaker 5: We all have our reasons why we do it, but 2106 01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:21,120 Speaker 5: the thing we cannot close our eyes to is how 2107 01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:24,240 Speaker 5: much money we're gonna make in one night, And so 2108 01:38:24,439 --> 01:38:26,639 Speaker 5: it's not a bad thing. But at the same time, 2109 01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:30,599 Speaker 5: you know, get out of Mike's business. Don't worry about 2110 01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:32,400 Speaker 5: what Mike got in his bank account. What about what 2111 01:38:32,439 --> 01:38:35,519 Speaker 5: you got in your bank account? Okay, but that's kind 2112 01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:37,200 Speaker 5: of the thing. You know, when a fighter comes back 2113 01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:40,800 Speaker 5: to the ring, everybody's thinking, oh, he's hurting for cash. 2114 01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:43,320 Speaker 6: But Sean, you got to think of how his career 2115 01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:46,280 Speaker 6: ended and how bad those last seven or eight years 2116 01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:48,200 Speaker 6: was when he was getting on the pay per view 2117 01:38:48,280 --> 01:38:52,400 Speaker 6: level against secondary fighters and sometimes looking for his way out, 2118 01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:56,240 Speaker 6: trying to bend people's arm backwards the threat of another bite. 2119 01:38:56,600 --> 01:39:00,040 Speaker 6: Do you think there's a big part of him and 2120 01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:02,599 Speaker 6: that knows he punted away. I mean, he did make 2121 01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:04,200 Speaker 6: the Hall of Fame, but he made the Hall of 2122 01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:07,000 Speaker 6: Fame because of three incredible years from when he won 2123 01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:10,160 Speaker 6: the world title. He was like twenty two when it 2124 01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:13,680 Speaker 6: started to go away, meaning he was kind of, you know, 2125 01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:15,439 Speaker 6: not training as hard, he didn't have the people in 2126 01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:17,840 Speaker 6: the corner that cared about him. How much do you think, 2127 01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:22,040 Speaker 6: like this is him trying to rewrite finish the story 2128 01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:22,960 Speaker 6: on his own terms. 2129 01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:25,200 Speaker 5: I can still it as well. Yeah, I can see 2130 01:39:25,240 --> 01:39:28,400 Speaker 5: that as well, and why not. You know, again, you 2131 01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:31,800 Speaker 5: have to go into his mind once you know, or 2132 01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:34,280 Speaker 5: you know, if those questions are presented. You would hope 2133 01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:37,479 Speaker 5: that he's as transparent as possible. And I think that 2134 01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:39,960 Speaker 5: that would be a beautiful part of this story if 2135 01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:42,439 Speaker 5: he came out wind loser, drawing, came out and said 2136 01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:44,720 Speaker 5: I just wanted to right or wrong that I have 2137 01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:48,840 Speaker 5: that I made. You know, here's another thing to look at. 2138 01:39:49,080 --> 01:39:52,360 Speaker 5: Mike through his entire career never controlled his career. Maybe 2139 01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:54,639 Speaker 5: maybe at the very end of his career he controlled 2140 01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:57,080 Speaker 5: everything that was going at the very end, but for 2141 01:39:57,160 --> 01:40:01,120 Speaker 5: the entirety of his heyday, of his magnific since there 2142 01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:04,439 Speaker 5: was always someone else orchestrating everything that was being done. 2143 01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:07,320 Speaker 5: This is probably the first time in a very long time, 2144 01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:10,719 Speaker 5: if at all, he's had an opportunity to control boxing. 2145 01:40:11,439 --> 01:40:12,280 Speaker 5: I appreciate it. 2146 01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:15,160 Speaker 1: If I may sean, well, I do want to spend 2147 01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:17,600 Speaker 1: just at least a little time talking about this ridiculously 2148 01:40:17,640 --> 01:40:20,679 Speaker 1: good co main event. My question would be as follows, 2149 01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:25,320 Speaker 1: will the second fight look meaningfully different than the first one? 2150 01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:29,880 Speaker 5: I don't think so. I think they're gonna look the 2151 01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:34,000 Speaker 5: exact same. I think Katie Taylor has the ability to 2152 01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:37,240 Speaker 5: make adjustments. But again, if she makes adjustments, that I 2153 01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:41,280 Speaker 5: think the only adjustment she might be making is creating space. 2154 01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:44,280 Speaker 5: If she's able to create space and make this fight 2155 01:40:44,360 --> 01:40:47,599 Speaker 5: more decisive than she wins to fight decisively, so maybe 2156 01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:51,479 Speaker 5: that could be the only adjustment. But I think a 2157 01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:53,439 Speaker 5: man that's gonna fight the same way, I don't think 2158 01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:55,559 Speaker 5: she has the ability to fight any other way than 2159 01:40:56,360 --> 01:40:58,400 Speaker 5: right in front of her opponent. Now she used to. 2160 01:40:58,520 --> 01:41:01,000 Speaker 5: She doesn't have the legs that she used to, does 2161 01:41:01,160 --> 01:41:03,479 Speaker 5: have the reaction timing that she that she used to, 2162 01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:07,000 Speaker 5: and things of that nature. So I really think this 2163 01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:09,719 Speaker 5: is this is depending on Katie Taylor. If Katie Taylor 2164 01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:12,240 Speaker 5: comes out to saying this fight looks to saying, the 2165 01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:15,320 Speaker 5: adjustment that I feel Katie Taylor could make is being 2166 01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:19,479 Speaker 5: more of a counterpuncher and creating space. Again, here we go. 2167 01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:22,720 Speaker 5: If Katie's as good and her team is as good 2168 01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:25,080 Speaker 5: as they could and should be, and all those kinds 2169 01:41:25,120 --> 01:41:27,639 Speaker 5: of things, then y'all should know this adjustment. Y'all should 2170 01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:29,280 Speaker 5: know that a man that can't move the way that 2171 01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:31,360 Speaker 5: she used to and y'all should be able to create 2172 01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:35,160 Speaker 5: space and counterpuncher and make this fight more decisive opposed 2173 01:41:35,200 --> 01:41:37,519 Speaker 5: to the war that we that you guys had before. 2174 01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:40,599 Speaker 5: It was beautiful, but if you want to win, that's 2175 01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:42,519 Speaker 5: the adjustment you make in my personal opinion. 2176 01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:45,320 Speaker 1: Getting back to this main event, one thing we've heard 2177 01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:47,240 Speaker 1: from Jake Paul is like what he he told us 2178 01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:48,920 Speaker 1: this years ago, by the way, Brian Campbell and I 2179 01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:51,280 Speaker 1: sat down with him. I think this was like the 2180 01:41:51,320 --> 01:41:54,680 Speaker 1: first or second Woodley fight, and he told us this 2181 01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:58,360 Speaker 1: and he made it clearer this week, which is, oh, 2182 01:41:58,400 --> 01:42:00,559 Speaker 1: I want to fight Canelo, and it's like, here's the thing. 2183 01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:03,080 Speaker 1: You beat Mike Tyson on Netflix, and it seems like 2184 01:42:03,080 --> 01:42:05,679 Speaker 1: this thing is gonna be huge numbers. I'm not saying 2185 01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:09,000 Speaker 1: that there wouldn't necessarily be commercial interest for it, but dude, 2186 01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:11,559 Speaker 1: the gap and skill is going to be I don't 2187 01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:14,160 Speaker 1: know if any commission could even license a fight like that. 2188 01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:16,640 Speaker 1: Is that even possible? 2189 01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:22,160 Speaker 5: It shouldn't be. It should not be possible. But anything, 2190 01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:26,240 Speaker 5: we've seen some of these sectioning bodies try to get involved, 2191 01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:29,760 Speaker 5: and even when they got involved, I said, just just 2192 01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:33,280 Speaker 5: make a a a social media belt, like just make 2193 01:42:33,560 --> 01:42:37,080 Speaker 5: an influencer title. Why do you have to integrate them 2194 01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:41,080 Speaker 5: and bring them into a world that they can't live 2195 01:42:41,120 --> 01:42:43,760 Speaker 5: in and the world that they, respectfully don't belong in. 2196 01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:47,439 Speaker 5: He doesn't belong in to ring with Canelo Avaez. You're 2197 01:42:47,439 --> 01:42:49,680 Speaker 5: not gonna get the same treatment from Canelo that you 2198 01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:52,720 Speaker 5: that you've gotten from what Lee and you know that 2199 01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:55,599 Speaker 5: you might possibly get from Mike. You won't get that 2200 01:42:55,720 --> 01:42:59,760 Speaker 5: treatment from Canelo. Canolo's gonna say tenous gloves. Caneo's gonna 2201 01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:03,200 Speaker 5: say three minute rounds. Canelo's gonna say, I don't care 2202 01:43:03,240 --> 01:43:06,439 Speaker 5: how much money it's for. Canelo's gonna fight for the 2203 01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:09,200 Speaker 5: pride of boxing, and he's not going to go through 2204 01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:12,320 Speaker 5: with just anything for the sake of money. I can't 2205 01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:15,080 Speaker 5: imagine Coanelo would. So I don't think we ever see 2206 01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:18,320 Speaker 5: him in the ring. Canelo uh and Jake Paul, I 2207 01:43:18,360 --> 01:43:19,320 Speaker 5: don't think we ever see that. 2208 01:43:20,200 --> 01:43:22,280 Speaker 6: Maybe Jake's gonna have to fight Benefitez because I don't 2209 01:43:22,280 --> 01:43:25,120 Speaker 6: know if we're gonna see that fight either. John two 2210 01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:26,960 Speaker 6: quick ones on the way out here. I just wanted 2211 01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:29,000 Speaker 6: to bring up one thing about Serrano. She's got the 2212 01:43:29,439 --> 01:43:33,360 Speaker 6: all of boxing record with nine titles and seven weight classes, 2213 01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:36,519 Speaker 6: and we all just, I guess, always talk about that 2214 01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:39,080 Speaker 6: as like an afterthought, as if that's normal. She's the 2215 01:43:39,160 --> 01:43:42,680 Speaker 6: reigning unified fedlerweight champion, which means she's moving back up 2216 01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:46,160 Speaker 6: fourteen pounds for this fight a couple of weight divisions. 2217 01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:50,320 Speaker 6: She's in her late thirties. How hard is what she's 2218 01:43:50,360 --> 01:43:51,920 Speaker 6: done over her career. I think at one point she 2219 01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:53,920 Speaker 6: took a fight at one eighteen, then went to one 2220 01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:55,879 Speaker 6: forty for her next, then came back down. 2221 01:43:55,680 --> 01:43:56,559 Speaker 7: To one twenty six. 2222 01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:59,040 Speaker 6: Wow, we don't give her enough credit for that. How 2223 01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:00,000 Speaker 6: frickin hard is that? 2224 01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:05,120 Speaker 5: She's amazing? I know that Clarissa, she'll calls herself to quote. 2225 01:44:06,160 --> 01:44:09,439 Speaker 5: I love Clarissa, And you know, I feel like, as 2226 01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:11,439 Speaker 5: long as we've been on this interview, I've tried to 2227 01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:14,280 Speaker 5: I feel like I'm throwing shade for the second words, 2228 01:44:14,280 --> 01:44:17,000 Speaker 5: but I just feel like I'm speaking from an honest 2229 01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:21,839 Speaker 5: and truthful perspective. Amanda Surroundo is the quote of boxing, 2230 01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:27,040 Speaker 5: Christy Martin and all these other names, Leila, Alee, all 2231 01:44:27,120 --> 01:44:30,040 Speaker 5: of these other names that you know, they don't hold 2232 01:44:30,040 --> 01:44:33,679 Speaker 5: a candle to what Amanda Surrouno has done to the sport. 2233 01:44:33,960 --> 01:44:37,280 Speaker 5: For the sport for women. I don't know if we'll 2234 01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:41,599 Speaker 5: get another Amanda Surrouno. Of course, Clarissa is the next 2235 01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:44,840 Speaker 5: best thing in terms of even the accolades and things 2236 01:44:44,840 --> 01:44:49,160 Speaker 5: of that nature. But to your question, it's hard. It's 2237 01:44:49,200 --> 01:44:51,559 Speaker 5: probably harder to lose the weight now than it is 2238 01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:54,360 Speaker 5: to fit into a weight class now. So she does 2239 01:44:54,479 --> 01:44:57,200 Speaker 5: have that working for her. But again, when we talk 2240 01:44:57,240 --> 01:45:02,360 Speaker 5: about being in prime, a little your little ways away 2241 01:45:02,360 --> 01:45:06,200 Speaker 5: from where your prime was, especially when you talk about 2242 01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:08,240 Speaker 5: age and things of that nature. But when we talk 2243 01:45:08,280 --> 01:45:11,479 Speaker 5: specifically to the weight you're not gonna be, you're not 2244 01:45:11,960 --> 01:45:14,840 Speaker 5: You're not moving the way that you used to. And 2245 01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:18,320 Speaker 5: because of that, that weight separate that weight difference and 2246 01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:22,000 Speaker 5: also that age difference as well. So I appreciate her 2247 01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:23,720 Speaker 5: for getting back in the ring. I know that this 2248 01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:26,880 Speaker 5: is what she wanted. I think that she's still gonna 2249 01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:29,400 Speaker 5: want to do one more in Puerto Rico. I feel 2250 01:45:29,439 --> 01:45:33,680 Speaker 5: like I've been uh retiring her on the Portaway podcast 2251 01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:37,120 Speaker 5: for about two years now. I don't mean to do that, 2252 01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:41,519 Speaker 5: but for a talent like her, like her, she's not 2253 01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:43,840 Speaker 5: gonna end up like a Roy Jones, where she's fought 2254 01:45:43,880 --> 01:45:46,599 Speaker 5: too long and she gets hurt. That's not gonna happen 2255 01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:49,680 Speaker 5: to her. But at the same time, I think it's 2256 01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:52,760 Speaker 5: best that we see you go when when when? When 2257 01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:53,280 Speaker 5: you're great? 2258 01:45:53,680 --> 01:45:53,920 Speaker 3: Why? 2259 01:45:54,040 --> 01:45:55,160 Speaker 5: Why? Why? 2260 01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:55,559 Speaker 3: Why? 2261 01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:59,360 Speaker 5: Do any more? You know too, there's nothing else that 2262 01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:01,640 Speaker 5: she needs to do. I think that this fight is 2263 01:46:01,640 --> 01:46:03,680 Speaker 5: probably the pinnacle of what she could do in this 2264 01:46:04,040 --> 01:46:06,559 Speaker 5: in this sport, and for me, she will always be 2265 01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:09,040 Speaker 5: the quote I love that woman a man. This is 2266 01:46:09,120 --> 01:46:10,240 Speaker 5: Rono Man topped. 2267 01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:13,160 Speaker 7: About incredible great matchup. Can't wait. A quick question on 2268 01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:14,840 Speaker 7: the way out, and we thank you for your time. 2269 01:46:15,880 --> 01:46:17,080 Speaker 5: Podcast sure anything. 2270 01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:19,400 Speaker 6: I'm sure you're interested in this because you've got one 2271 01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:21,679 Speaker 6: of the best podcasts in the game, the Portaway Podcast, 2272 01:46:21,720 --> 01:46:24,200 Speaker 6: and I think you're one of the best broadcasters in 2273 01:46:24,240 --> 01:46:27,120 Speaker 6: this game. And you do work for multiple networks. I've 2274 01:46:27,120 --> 01:46:29,400 Speaker 6: heard twenty twenty five for boxing kind of being called 2275 01:46:29,439 --> 01:46:32,360 Speaker 6: a make or break year. Turkey Alo Sheik just bought 2276 01:46:32,439 --> 01:46:33,160 Speaker 6: Ring magazine. 2277 01:46:33,160 --> 01:46:34,240 Speaker 7: Will that make one. 2278 01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:37,439 Speaker 6: Champion in each division who knows top rank is gonna 2279 01:46:37,439 --> 01:46:40,000 Speaker 6: be looking for a new deal. PBC really needs a 2280 01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:42,400 Speaker 6: big bounce back year. Maybe Dana White in the UFC 2281 01:46:42,479 --> 01:46:43,360 Speaker 6: get into boxing. 2282 01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:46,920 Speaker 7: What the Heck's choice? Twenty twenty five gonna look like. 2283 01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:51,200 Speaker 5: I don't know. I think that I don't know. I 2284 01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:55,160 Speaker 5: don't know. There's an this is what I do though. 2285 01:46:55,200 --> 01:47:00,080 Speaker 5: There's enough substance, there's enough greatness in this sport to 2286 01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:03,000 Speaker 5: keep it moving the way that it has been. It's 2287 01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:05,880 Speaker 5: honestly just up to the business. I think the business 2288 01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:09,280 Speaker 5: is what's going to determine the future of boxing. I mean, 2289 01:47:09,280 --> 01:47:12,639 Speaker 5: obviously it has always done that for twenty twenty five. 2290 01:47:13,439 --> 01:47:17,559 Speaker 5: If the business makes some fights that we've expected and 2291 01:47:17,640 --> 01:47:22,559 Speaker 5: wanted for some time, of course Stevens and Tank Davis, Yeah, 2292 01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:25,800 Speaker 5: those kind of fights need to happen in twenty twenty five. 2293 01:47:27,080 --> 01:47:29,679 Speaker 5: If that one specifically doesn't happen, I think that there's 2294 01:47:29,680 --> 01:47:32,800 Speaker 5: still enough great fights to be made for this sport 2295 01:47:32,840 --> 01:47:35,120 Speaker 5: to continue on. Listen to me, and I'm sorry, but 2296 01:47:35,160 --> 01:47:38,160 Speaker 5: I'll end it with this. We got David Benavidez and 2297 01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:42,280 Speaker 5: David Morrell. I'm pretty sure they've they're fighting like in 2298 01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:48,280 Speaker 5: January February first, is the rumor, Yes, that fight. The 2299 01:47:48,439 --> 01:47:51,920 Speaker 5: same type of time and energy and focus we're putting 2300 01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:55,120 Speaker 5: on Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson. Boxing's got to figure 2301 01:47:55,120 --> 01:47:57,200 Speaker 5: out a way to get the world to put that 2302 01:47:57,320 --> 01:47:58,920 Speaker 5: kind of energy into a fight like that. 2303 01:48:00,160 --> 01:48:02,479 Speaker 7: Maybe Turkey does that, maybe not. I don't know. 2304 01:48:02,520 --> 01:48:04,080 Speaker 6: We'll find out, but I know you're gonna be a 2305 01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:06,160 Speaker 6: big part of it. Sean, thank you so much for 2306 01:48:06,240 --> 01:48:09,840 Speaker 6: the time. We appreciate you. Uh and thank you for 2307 01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:12,320 Speaker 6: allowing us to dunk on your hat. I love those hats. 2308 01:48:12,439 --> 01:48:14,640 Speaker 1: Look you know what, I have the same I have 2309 01:48:14,680 --> 01:48:18,000 Speaker 1: the same hat or you do already because I ordered 2310 01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:19,679 Speaker 1: someone Amazon for you guys there. 2311 01:48:20,280 --> 01:48:23,479 Speaker 5: Yes, sitting in the Draft Kings. Drafts Kings, gonna get 2312 01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:24,120 Speaker 5: it to you guys. 2313 01:48:24,200 --> 01:48:25,080 Speaker 1: Yes, I'll wear it. 2314 01:48:25,200 --> 01:48:28,400 Speaker 7: Will look like hats right. 2315 01:48:30,240 --> 01:48:32,000 Speaker 1: For your hat. 2316 01:48:32,160 --> 01:48:33,320 Speaker 7: Yeah, we got big melons. 2317 01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:35,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, So I was looking at you guys, I 2318 01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:36,920 Speaker 5: was like, Yo, that's the double x L. 2319 01:48:37,200 --> 01:48:42,479 Speaker 7: That's definitely tig mellons. Yes, yes, Sean, thank you so 2320 01:48:42,560 --> 01:48:43,840 Speaker 7: much man. Great to see it. 2321 01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:49,200 Speaker 6: Talk to you guys like Sean porter on behalf of DraftKings. 2322 01:48:49,479 --> 01:48:51,160 Speaker 7: I don't know if I like anyone better than him 2323 01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:51,960 Speaker 7: and boxing. 2324 01:48:52,120 --> 01:48:55,160 Speaker 1: Sean's great. He's got a great podcast, Porterway Podcast. By 2325 01:48:55,160 --> 01:48:57,080 Speaker 1: the way, He's got a good cast of characters on 2326 01:48:57,160 --> 01:49:00,080 Speaker 1: the show. Shawn'stel's another guy I like a lot's on 2327 01:49:00,120 --> 01:49:02,040 Speaker 1: that show. Who's got great stuff to say. He's not 2328 01:49:02,120 --> 01:49:04,400 Speaker 1: the only one. Like it's a really you're just like 2329 01:49:04,479 --> 01:49:06,920 Speaker 1: good boxing conversation quarterway podcast. 2330 01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:08,439 Speaker 7: All right, Luke, let's wrap the UFC. 2331 01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:10,439 Speaker 6: I didn't believe there were any other matchups on that 2332 01:49:10,479 --> 01:49:12,439 Speaker 6: card that were moving you. But if there are, you know, 2333 01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:14,120 Speaker 6: speak now or forever, hold your. 2334 01:49:14,200 --> 01:49:15,720 Speaker 1: Never hold your piece. Give me one second and pull 2335 01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:20,160 Speaker 1: up my notes here. Good to see, Mauricio Hoofy. They 2336 01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:21,880 Speaker 1: had to move that fight to like a one sixty 2337 01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:24,600 Speaker 1: plus catch weight because long Top couldn't make weight, but 2338 01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:26,240 Speaker 1: it got done. That's gonna be fun. 2339 01:49:26,240 --> 01:49:28,439 Speaker 6: Mark just did one of the guys lose weight or 2340 01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:30,080 Speaker 6: not miss not make weight on the second? 2341 01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:33,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, long Top fucked that up, right, Lusita. 2342 01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:37,519 Speaker 4: Yeah, long Top missed the catchweight that they agreed on 2343 01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:40,200 Speaker 4: one sixty five. He waited in one sixty six points. 2344 01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:44,120 Speaker 1: Something very quietly. Jim Miller's on this card against Damon Jackson, 2345 01:49:44,160 --> 01:49:47,800 Speaker 1: which is kind of fun as well. And then there's 2346 01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:49,720 Speaker 1: some other ones. Basil half az I like a lot. 2347 01:49:49,840 --> 01:49:52,760 Speaker 1: Mickey Gall is back very quietly, almost no talk about 2348 01:49:52,760 --> 01:49:55,439 Speaker 1: Mickey Gall whatsoever. So there's a couple of interesting little 2349 01:49:55,520 --> 01:49:58,040 Speaker 1: nuggets here and there. But you know main and come all. 2350 01:49:58,000 --> 01:50:01,000 Speaker 6: Right, topic four quickly here Luke UFC change the gloves, 2351 01:50:01,479 --> 01:50:03,559 Speaker 6: and we thought it may have been John Jones related, 2352 01:50:03,560 --> 01:50:05,759 Speaker 6: but then Dana White at the press conference yesterday saying 2353 01:50:06,120 --> 01:50:08,439 Speaker 6: he made the choice from the idea that the new 2354 01:50:08,439 --> 01:50:11,600 Speaker 6: gloves just weren't making people happy, weren't making people comfortable, 2355 01:50:11,800 --> 01:50:14,639 Speaker 6: and maybe weren't fixing the issues that were originally thought. 2356 01:50:14,640 --> 01:50:17,040 Speaker 6: We do have audio here of John Jones giving his 2357 01:50:17,120 --> 01:50:17,519 Speaker 6: side of the. 2358 01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:18,240 Speaker 7: Story about it. 2359 01:50:18,280 --> 01:50:21,080 Speaker 6: But moving forward full time, you're going to see the 2360 01:50:21,120 --> 01:50:22,679 Speaker 6: old black UFC gloves. 2361 01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:23,400 Speaker 7: Let's listen in. 2362 01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:26,599 Speaker 11: I'm really excited about the old gloves. I got sent 2363 01:50:26,680 --> 01:50:29,519 Speaker 11: up here of the new gloves several weeks ago. I 2364 01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:33,120 Speaker 11: tried them on and I thought they were tight. I 2365 01:50:33,240 --> 01:50:35,519 Speaker 11: used to fit in XCEL and then the new glove 2366 01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:37,080 Speaker 11: I had to put on a three XL. 2367 01:50:38,160 --> 01:50:40,000 Speaker 3: The shape curve in your hands like that. 2368 01:50:41,040 --> 01:50:43,200 Speaker 11: They were very uncomfortable for me, and I was actually 2369 01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:45,040 Speaker 11: really stressed thinking about how am I going to go 2370 01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:47,920 Speaker 11: into fight a week wearing these gloves that I don't 2371 01:50:47,960 --> 01:50:50,800 Speaker 11: even want to train in. So when I got a 2372 01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:53,439 Speaker 11: phone call recently, a hunter said, you know, everyone on 2373 01:50:53,479 --> 01:50:56,240 Speaker 11: this card are veterans, while I put a bunch of 2374 01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:57,360 Speaker 11: vets and a new glove. 2375 01:50:57,560 --> 01:50:59,080 Speaker 3: Let's give you guys all what you're used to. 2376 01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:02,080 Speaker 11: It was a mazef to my coach Brandon, who wraps 2377 01:51:02,160 --> 01:51:02,639 Speaker 11: my hands. 2378 01:51:02,960 --> 01:51:04,800 Speaker 3: There was a major leef to me as well. 2379 01:51:06,360 --> 01:51:09,320 Speaker 6: Look, if everyone's in on it and Dana has said, 2380 01:51:09,360 --> 01:51:11,280 Speaker 6: look we tried something new and it didn't work out, 2381 01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:14,519 Speaker 6: then I guess this seems like the right move short 2382 01:51:14,520 --> 01:51:16,000 Speaker 6: of actually fixing the problem. 2383 01:51:16,040 --> 01:51:16,240 Speaker 7: Right. 2384 01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:20,599 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I don't know what to say. This 2385 01:51:20,680 --> 01:51:22,680 Speaker 1: is a weird one. So people have like kind of 2386 01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:26,200 Speaker 1: conspiratorily tied it to John Jones. I mean, I guess 2387 01:51:26,280 --> 01:51:27,760 Speaker 1: you can if you want. I don't know if the 2388 01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:31,360 Speaker 1: evidence really bears that out. I think the bigger issue 2389 01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:36,760 Speaker 1: is we did okay. Is their data that shows, with 2390 01:51:36,880 --> 01:51:41,040 Speaker 1: the exception of like women's bantamweight, that across the board 2391 01:51:41,600 --> 01:51:45,599 Speaker 1: knockouts are down. Yes, the guy called a Nate Latshaw 2392 01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:48,360 Speaker 1: who's been following this, Yes they are down across the 2393 01:51:48,360 --> 01:51:50,640 Speaker 1: board in certain cases by double digits. Most of them 2394 01:51:50,640 --> 01:51:53,760 Speaker 1: are high singles eight and nine percent. But yes, they 2395 01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:56,320 Speaker 1: are all down across the board. But what he kind 2396 01:51:56,360 --> 01:51:59,360 Speaker 1: of cautioned was, like, okay, so far the data doesn't 2397 01:51:59,360 --> 01:52:01,800 Speaker 1: look good. But he had believed that there was a 2398 01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:04,000 Speaker 1: couple of problems, not least of which was the sample size, 2399 01:52:04,040 --> 01:52:06,920 Speaker 1: but which we were measuring this was simply too small. 2400 01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:09,439 Speaker 1: We just didn't really know for sure. Now that doesn't 2401 01:52:09,479 --> 01:52:13,000 Speaker 1: mean that there's it's not true. It could very well 2402 01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:15,160 Speaker 1: be the case that, yes, the gloves affect knockouts, and 2403 01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:17,559 Speaker 1: you always have to understand there's like a certain delicate 2404 01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:19,599 Speaker 1: balance that makes the product work, and if you kind 2405 01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:22,080 Speaker 1: of mess with the formula, you know, Coca Cola just 2406 01:52:22,120 --> 01:52:24,280 Speaker 1: doesn't taste the same. So I understand that they had 2407 01:52:24,280 --> 01:52:29,760 Speaker 1: some concerns, and again some preliminary evidence that there were problems, 2408 01:52:29,840 --> 01:52:32,760 Speaker 1: just not definitive evidence. B See, this is the thing 2409 01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:34,519 Speaker 1: that I just can't rep my head around. We've had 2410 01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:38,360 Speaker 1: all these conversations over the years about things like, for example, 2411 01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:41,960 Speaker 1: open scoring or you know, any kind of rule change. 2412 01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:44,439 Speaker 1: And what I've said is the UFC has all of 2413 01:52:44,439 --> 01:52:47,360 Speaker 1: these different franchises, not least of which is Contender Series 2414 01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:50,280 Speaker 1: or you know, they have events in places where they 2415 01:52:50,280 --> 01:52:53,559 Speaker 1: have to self regulate, where they could experiment with stuff. 2416 01:52:54,040 --> 01:52:56,920 Speaker 1: My thought is, why did they have such a big 2417 01:52:57,040 --> 01:53:00,680 Speaker 1: rollout right of all of this stuff where now we're 2418 01:53:00,720 --> 01:53:02,400 Speaker 1: gonna have different gloves. They kind of get rid of 2419 01:53:02,439 --> 01:53:04,479 Speaker 1: all the different colorings. They're not even gonna have different 2420 01:53:04,520 --> 01:53:07,800 Speaker 1: colored gloves like red for Row Too UFC and then 2421 01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:11,040 Speaker 1: blue for Contender Series and then whatever. Though they had 2422 01:53:11,120 --> 01:53:13,360 Speaker 1: steep A and John take pictures with the gold gloves. 2423 01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:15,479 Speaker 1: I don't know if they're gonna have gold gloves that 2424 01:53:15,479 --> 01:53:17,800 Speaker 1: are old ones for Saturday, but they're gonna get rid. 2425 01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:18,240 Speaker 7: Of the gloves. 2426 01:53:18,320 --> 01:53:20,160 Speaker 6: Dude, it looks like they're power rangers out there, like 2427 01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:21,720 Speaker 6: just just be basic on. 2428 01:53:21,680 --> 01:53:24,000 Speaker 1: That, okay, but like they get like all that stuff 2429 01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:26,519 Speaker 1: that they put all that effort in they just scrapped 2430 01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:29,559 Speaker 1: and they got a new manufacturer for this that you know, 2431 01:53:29,560 --> 01:53:31,639 Speaker 1: they could have gone to like other tried and true 2432 01:53:31,680 --> 01:53:35,599 Speaker 1: manufacturers in the Fight game, like Everlasting Reyes, and they 2433 01:53:35,720 --> 01:53:39,360 Speaker 1: just didn't. And I just don't understand the organization that is. 2434 01:53:39,400 --> 01:53:41,200 Speaker 1: You know, let's give the UFC credit where they deserve it. 2435 01:53:41,200 --> 01:53:44,400 Speaker 1: They're pretty buttoned up in most things, and they had 2436 01:53:44,439 --> 01:53:46,960 Speaker 1: a nice big rollout and they tried to do something good. 2437 01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:49,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, you got to test this stuff, and you 2438 01:53:49,640 --> 01:53:52,800 Speaker 1: guys have all of the inventory in places to do it. 2439 01:53:53,080 --> 01:53:54,360 Speaker 1: Why didn't you test it enough? 2440 01:53:54,479 --> 01:53:56,960 Speaker 7: Tested on the Dana Woy Contender series. I do. 2441 01:53:57,600 --> 01:53:59,519 Speaker 6: One of the reasons why I'm I don't know if 2442 01:53:59,600 --> 01:54:01,759 Speaker 6: excited that they're going back to it, but I support 2443 01:54:01,800 --> 01:54:04,840 Speaker 6: it is it does seem to bring up more finishes 2444 01:54:04,880 --> 01:54:07,320 Speaker 6: but less abrasions on the face. People were getting fed 2445 01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:09,360 Speaker 6: up by these gloves. If you really noticed, it seemed 2446 01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:13,360 Speaker 6: to be more cuts, more you know, more scratches, more eyework. 2447 01:54:13,360 --> 01:54:15,760 Speaker 6: And I talked to Chris Widman yesterday about that, and 2448 01:54:15,800 --> 01:54:18,960 Speaker 6: he said, look, the old gloves suck, but the new 2449 01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:20,040 Speaker 6: gloves suck worse. 2450 01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:21,680 Speaker 7: And he basically said, the problem is. 2451 01:54:22,080 --> 01:54:24,960 Speaker 6: You know, your hand is not naturally curved, so naturally 2452 01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:27,479 Speaker 6: there's gonna be situations where you have to extend your 2453 01:54:27,479 --> 01:54:29,840 Speaker 6: hand and that's why it happens. Easy for him to 2454 01:54:29,880 --> 01:54:32,760 Speaker 6: say he stuck four fingers and every other orifice and 2455 01:54:32,840 --> 01:54:36,280 Speaker 6: limb into the orifice of Bruno Silva last time. But 2456 01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:40,920 Speaker 6: Luke Widman basically said, we all use training gloves that 2457 01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:43,880 Speaker 6: are perfect have the natural curve. He mentioned they were 2458 01:54:43,920 --> 01:54:47,160 Speaker 6: the Trevor Whitman brand ones, and he didn't understand why 2459 01:54:47,440 --> 01:54:50,120 Speaker 6: UFC wouldn't sign with him, didn't I watch some video 2460 01:54:50,160 --> 01:54:52,760 Speaker 6: where maybe Whitman stole that idea from somebody who's upset. 2461 01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:54,920 Speaker 1: I don't know somebody accused him of that. I don't 2462 01:54:54,920 --> 01:54:56,480 Speaker 1: know how credible the accusations are. 2463 01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:59,360 Speaker 6: I did see Widman's an active fighter who's like, those 2464 01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:01,400 Speaker 6: are the gloves we I'll practice with because they're the 2465 01:55:01,400 --> 01:55:03,960 Speaker 6: best to prevent this. So it seems like we still 2466 01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:06,320 Speaker 6: have a major issue with the fingers at least, but 2467 01:55:06,720 --> 01:55:08,240 Speaker 6: maybe it solves the other category. 2468 01:55:08,320 --> 01:55:10,840 Speaker 1: I'll just say I hope the UFC continues to look 2469 01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:13,560 Speaker 1: into getting better gloves, because it doesn't feel like the 2470 01:55:13,640 --> 01:55:17,080 Speaker 1: old gloves are the best gloves that are available to 2471 01:55:17,120 --> 01:55:19,240 Speaker 1: the point that you raise. I just hope that whenever 2472 01:55:19,280 --> 01:55:22,440 Speaker 1: they get to that place, just put in the proper 2473 01:55:22,520 --> 01:55:24,920 Speaker 1: due diligence so that they don't have to backtrack like this. 2474 01:55:25,320 --> 01:55:27,200 Speaker 7: All right, let's go back to topic five to close 2475 01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:27,480 Speaker 7: it out. 2476 01:55:27,520 --> 01:55:30,080 Speaker 6: Luke, and it's our expectations of what happens in this 2477 01:55:30,240 --> 01:55:33,240 Speaker 6: Mike Paul, Mike Paul, Mike Tyson versus Jake Paul fight 2478 01:55:33,320 --> 01:55:37,680 Speaker 6: this evening on Netflix. Mike Tyson is a plus one 2479 01:55:37,960 --> 01:55:42,000 Speaker 6: sixty underdog, which blows me away minus two hundred for 2480 01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:47,080 Speaker 6: Jake Paul Luke, Is that line only about inducing nostalgic 2481 01:55:47,160 --> 01:55:48,000 Speaker 6: betting from Tyson? 2482 01:55:48,120 --> 01:55:49,680 Speaker 7: Is that only what it's about? 2483 01:55:49,880 --> 01:55:53,440 Speaker 1: I I the line has been affected by the betting 2484 01:55:53,600 --> 01:55:56,960 Speaker 1: at this point. BC. I mean, I don't you know. 2485 01:55:57,080 --> 01:55:59,520 Speaker 1: I mean it sounds like your experience matches mind to 2486 01:55:59,600 --> 01:56:02,120 Speaker 1: the t, which is everyone I know in the fight 2487 01:56:02,160 --> 01:56:04,360 Speaker 1: game is like, oh yeah, Jake Paul's gonna splatter him, 2488 01:56:04,640 --> 01:56:06,760 Speaker 1: and then everyone outside of the fight game is like, 2489 01:56:06,760 --> 01:56:09,200 Speaker 1: oh yeah, Mike Tyson's gonna splatter him. And I and 2490 01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:11,320 Speaker 1: my understanding is I think I'm Long Island. Look, I 2491 01:56:11,360 --> 01:56:14,440 Speaker 1: think if you have seen this as well, maybe I'm 2492 01:56:14,480 --> 01:56:18,040 Speaker 1: told that there's like shit tons of betting on this 2493 01:56:18,120 --> 01:56:18,960 Speaker 1: fight and I'm. 2494 01:56:18,760 --> 01:56:20,920 Speaker 7: Guessing the most fight in history. 2495 01:56:21,080 --> 01:56:23,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm guessing that it's pushed that line. Is that 2496 01:56:23,680 --> 01:56:24,480 Speaker 1: a fair assessment? 2497 01:56:24,520 --> 01:56:25,600 Speaker 8: Long Island Luke one hundred? 2498 01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:29,440 Speaker 4: But I will say the fight is not available on 2499 01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:32,160 Speaker 4: sportsbooks in the state of New York, so I cannot 2500 01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:33,560 Speaker 4: bet on the. 2501 01:56:32,640 --> 01:56:36,760 Speaker 6: Mats that have out. It was in my Coppinger's ESPN story. 2502 01:56:36,760 --> 01:56:39,480 Speaker 6: They have outright said we're not sure it's not going 2503 01:56:39,560 --> 01:56:41,760 Speaker 6: to be like a weird scripted affair. We want nothing 2504 01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:43,680 Speaker 6: to do with the fourteen on sclubs. That's what That 2505 01:56:43,880 --> 01:56:45,920 Speaker 6: was the response from the different states. 2506 01:56:46,160 --> 01:56:48,480 Speaker 4: It's crazy because I can bet on every single fight 2507 01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:50,200 Speaker 4: on that card except the main event. 2508 01:56:50,360 --> 01:56:53,760 Speaker 1: So wow, kind of interesting, okay, but to that point, 2509 01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:56,360 Speaker 1: and again, they're still unknowns. And don't get me wrong, 2510 01:56:56,360 --> 01:56:59,520 Speaker 1: I would freaking love it if Mike fucking completely splattered him. 2511 01:56:59,560 --> 01:57:04,000 Speaker 1: But you know, I I don't know how to assess 2512 01:57:04,040 --> 01:57:05,840 Speaker 1: the betting line other than at this point it's just 2513 01:57:05,840 --> 01:57:08,600 Speaker 1: been heavily affected by the betting. I think it's probably 2514 01:57:08,760 --> 01:57:12,360 Speaker 1: wise to assume that Jake is your favorite prohibitive or 2515 01:57:12,360 --> 01:57:16,600 Speaker 1: otherwise he is the king of sandbagging and they're fighting. 2516 01:57:16,760 --> 01:57:18,600 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, we all know it. 2517 01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:21,040 Speaker 1: He's fighting a fifty eight year old fucking guy. 2518 01:57:21,280 --> 01:57:24,360 Speaker 6: Like, well, that show the picks, Luke, Luke Nocida Tyson 2519 01:57:24,400 --> 01:57:27,000 Speaker 6: on the scale, it is still a fifty eight year 2520 01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:27,320 Speaker 6: old man. 2521 01:57:27,360 --> 01:57:29,360 Speaker 7: But holy shit, Luke, Yeah. 2522 01:57:29,160 --> 01:57:31,680 Speaker 1: I mean for fifty eight, he looks awesome, Like, you know, 2523 01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:34,240 Speaker 1: you can certainly declare that right. He looks amazing for 2524 01:57:34,280 --> 01:57:37,360 Speaker 1: fifty eight. But you know, I keep saying this, like 2525 01:57:37,600 --> 01:57:39,480 Speaker 1: people are like, why is this fight in Texas? Like 2526 01:57:39,560 --> 01:57:41,080 Speaker 1: is that where Mike is from and I'm like, no, 2527 01:57:41,120 --> 01:57:45,760 Speaker 1: it's fucking Brownsville, Brooklyn, Like, yeah, why is it not 2528 01:57:45,800 --> 01:57:47,880 Speaker 1: in Vegas? Because, dude, I don't know if you could 2529 01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:50,960 Speaker 1: get this fight sanctioned in any place other than Texas 2530 01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:52,760 Speaker 1: or Florida. And I'm not even sure you could get 2531 01:57:52,760 --> 01:57:53,200 Speaker 1: it in Florida. 2532 01:57:53,360 --> 01:57:55,840 Speaker 7: Taichi Palace would be all fricking over this. 2533 01:57:56,480 --> 01:57:58,040 Speaker 1: The US He's going to go back there any day 2534 01:57:58,080 --> 01:58:00,560 Speaker 1: and he yes, huge for that. 2535 01:58:01,240 --> 01:58:04,840 Speaker 6: H So we saw that, we saw the slap. Let's 2536 01:58:04,840 --> 01:58:08,200 Speaker 6: see the angry face off here after the press or Luke, 2537 01:58:08,240 --> 01:58:12,080 Speaker 6: what do you make of Mike Tyson's demeanor sense this 2538 01:58:12,200 --> 01:58:15,480 Speaker 6: press conference and him just dunking on all the questions 2539 01:58:15,480 --> 01:58:19,080 Speaker 6: and not listening to Aeriel? Was it game time mode? 2540 01:58:19,240 --> 01:58:20,800 Speaker 6: Is he trying to get in the head of Paul? 2541 01:58:22,560 --> 01:58:25,120 Speaker 1: I think he's trying to win. I don't know if 2542 01:58:25,120 --> 01:58:27,480 Speaker 1: he's exactly trying to play too many fuck fuck games. 2543 01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:31,440 Speaker 1: You know, Slapping Paul is like the most perfect thing 2544 01:58:31,520 --> 01:58:33,840 Speaker 1: to do to get people to watch. I mean, holy shit, 2545 01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:36,440 Speaker 1: like that was I mean, Jake has to be thinking 2546 01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:38,880 Speaker 1: his lucky stars that Mike did something like that, not 2547 01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:41,080 Speaker 1: that it was going poorly or something, but that just 2548 01:58:41,120 --> 01:58:43,960 Speaker 1: sent it into overdrive about how many people are going 2549 01:58:43,960 --> 01:58:46,480 Speaker 1: to watch this. I don't know if Mike is playing games, 2550 01:58:46,520 --> 01:58:48,240 Speaker 1: I don't really know. I mean, again, the guy is 2551 01:58:48,280 --> 01:58:51,480 Speaker 1: the guy is closer to collecting Social Security than he is, 2552 01:58:52,080 --> 01:58:54,880 Speaker 1: you know, to being even in his fucking forties. I mean, 2553 01:58:54,920 --> 01:58:57,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just crazy how far along he is 2554 01:58:57,200 --> 01:58:59,480 Speaker 1: in this whole thing. So I think he'll try to win, 2555 01:58:59,560 --> 01:59:00,800 Speaker 1: but I think A just gonna get him. 2556 01:59:00,920 --> 01:59:03,280 Speaker 6: You didn't think he was scared of Thursday's press conference. 2557 01:59:03,000 --> 01:59:05,520 Speaker 7: Right, No, Like he definitely didn't want to be there. 2558 01:59:05,560 --> 01:59:07,320 Speaker 6: Like, we got one SoundBite we can throw to It 2559 01:59:07,360 --> 01:59:09,720 Speaker 6: was basically this response to every question. 2560 01:59:10,320 --> 01:59:14,400 Speaker 5: Dying and what would you lose if you lose this fight? 2561 01:59:15,200 --> 01:59:22,640 Speaker 5: Thank you? I'm not gonna lose, but but just. 2562 01:59:23,000 --> 01:59:27,040 Speaker 13: You say that in the last minute of the second. 2563 01:59:26,880 --> 01:59:28,200 Speaker 5: I am not gonna lose. 2564 01:59:28,280 --> 01:59:29,320 Speaker 1: Did you hear what I said? 2565 01:59:30,200 --> 01:59:30,520 Speaker 5: Thank you? 2566 01:59:33,760 --> 01:59:35,880 Speaker 6: I know people are receiving that as if he's like 2567 01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:39,440 Speaker 6: fighting for age and oldness. He's really just basically saying 2568 01:59:39,720 --> 01:59:42,480 Speaker 6: I don't do interviews with women usually unless I fortun 2569 01:59:42,520 --> 01:59:45,080 Speaker 6: kate with them, Like that's the old angry. If you 2570 01:59:45,120 --> 01:59:47,720 Speaker 6: don't like it, turn off your station. Mike coming back 2571 01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:48,200 Speaker 6: out right. 2572 01:59:48,840 --> 01:59:51,160 Speaker 1: I mean, here's what I'll say when he's like, can 2573 01:59:51,200 --> 01:59:53,080 Speaker 1: we see the slap one more time? Long Island, Luke? 2574 01:59:54,040 --> 01:59:56,480 Speaker 1: Can we see that? I mean, I'll tell you what BC. 2575 01:59:56,880 --> 01:59:59,720 Speaker 1: If Power Slap was just people taking turns slapping the 2576 01:59:59,720 --> 02:00:03,240 Speaker 1: fuck out of Jake Paul, I'd watch every episode. 2577 02:00:03,480 --> 02:00:03,760 Speaker 12: Yeah. 2578 02:00:04,000 --> 02:00:07,200 Speaker 6: Ah, I mean, why is Mike wearing a G string too? 2579 02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:09,960 Speaker 7: What's going on here? Maybe because it looks great, you. 2580 02:00:09,880 --> 02:00:12,120 Speaker 1: Know, maybe you know what My man is fifty eight, 2581 02:00:12,160 --> 02:00:14,280 Speaker 1: He's like, it's time for the fun duff. I'm down 2582 02:00:14,320 --> 02:00:14,680 Speaker 1: on them. 2583 02:00:14,840 --> 02:00:19,640 Speaker 6: Yes, indeed, indeed, uh wow. So plus one sixty Mike 2584 02:00:19,680 --> 02:00:23,200 Speaker 6: Tyson Luke. I thought Sean Porter gave us really sober, 2585 02:00:23,560 --> 02:00:27,160 Speaker 6: honest analysis. We all want to look at Mike's shape, 2586 02:00:27,240 --> 02:00:29,280 Speaker 6: We want to look at that slap. We want to 2587 02:00:29,320 --> 02:00:33,960 Speaker 6: talk about jakes inexperience. All this stuff could all be true. Dude, 2588 02:00:34,000 --> 02:00:36,640 Speaker 6: He's fifty eight. Even with two minute rounds, Jake's going 2589 02:00:36,680 --> 02:00:38,680 Speaker 6: to be leaning on him. Jake's going to be jabbing 2590 02:00:38,720 --> 02:00:42,160 Speaker 6: him hard. I mean, does Jake need to just not 2591 02:00:42,360 --> 02:00:44,760 Speaker 6: look to score in the first round and just get 2592 02:00:44,840 --> 02:00:47,880 Speaker 6: past the two minutes of fury that you expect Tyson. 2593 02:00:47,600 --> 02:00:51,120 Speaker 1: To give him again. I think if you know, if 2594 02:00:51,160 --> 02:00:53,280 Speaker 1: you go back and you watch the Roy Jones exhibition 2595 02:00:53,400 --> 02:00:56,400 Speaker 1: fight for a fifty four year old. In that contest, 2596 02:00:56,480 --> 02:00:59,520 Speaker 1: Mike looked pretty good, but Jake is bigger, He's gonna 2597 02:00:59,520 --> 02:01:01,160 Speaker 1: be sturdier and BC. This is the thing I think 2598 02:01:01,240 --> 02:01:04,720 Speaker 1: is really gonna matter. Even if Mike comes out like 2599 02:01:04,760 --> 02:01:07,040 Speaker 1: a bat out of hell, it's a two minute round. 2600 02:01:07,520 --> 02:01:10,000 Speaker 1: It's easier to survive if you get rocked. And I 2601 02:01:10,000 --> 02:01:11,960 Speaker 1: think he's gonna hold. I think he's actually gonna be 2602 02:01:11,960 --> 02:01:15,800 Speaker 1: a fair amount of holding, like gripping, leaning on him, 2603 02:01:15,880 --> 02:01:17,320 Speaker 1: you know that kind of a thing. I haven't heard 2604 02:01:17,320 --> 02:01:19,760 Speaker 1: how big the ring is, because that can obviously differ 2605 02:01:20,080 --> 02:01:22,400 Speaker 1: event to event as well. But I just feel like 2606 02:01:22,400 --> 02:01:24,280 Speaker 1: he's gonna slow Mic down to them where Mike is 2607 02:01:24,360 --> 02:01:27,280 Speaker 1: much more predictable, much much more easy to time, and 2608 02:01:27,320 --> 02:01:29,840 Speaker 1: then he's just gonna get splattered. I hope the opposite happens, 2609 02:01:29,840 --> 02:01:30,560 Speaker 1: Please believe me. 2610 02:01:30,600 --> 02:01:33,200 Speaker 6: I just you know all things, and it gets Mike's 2611 02:01:33,200 --> 02:01:35,760 Speaker 6: gonna get splattered as much as he's just gonna be 2612 02:01:35,880 --> 02:01:38,560 Speaker 6: exhausted into a stoppage loss in the first half of 2613 02:01:38,600 --> 02:01:42,600 Speaker 6: the fight, despite probably having some crazy moments of big punches, 2614 02:01:42,960 --> 02:01:45,520 Speaker 6: because look, they're not gonna learn take a beating. They 2615 02:01:45,640 --> 02:01:49,880 Speaker 6: got to realize how tenuous this situation is. I don't 2616 02:01:49,920 --> 02:01:53,040 Speaker 6: necessarily know if he's gonna get wobbled around like holy Field, 2617 02:01:53,080 --> 02:01:55,520 Speaker 6: you know, without without even really landing a big punch. 2618 02:01:55,560 --> 02:01:58,000 Speaker 6: Bell Ford just touched him, and holy Field is wobbling around. 2619 02:01:58,280 --> 02:02:02,160 Speaker 6: I don't think it looks like that. But as soon 2620 02:02:02,200 --> 02:02:04,480 Speaker 6: as he's in trouble, they're not gonna let it go right. 2621 02:02:04,520 --> 02:02:05,280 Speaker 1: You're not gonna see. 2622 02:02:05,160 --> 02:02:07,680 Speaker 7: Him get knocked down three times and get back up. No. 2623 02:02:07,840 --> 02:02:09,640 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. So, like you get to your point about 2624 02:02:09,680 --> 02:02:14,320 Speaker 1: Holyfield and belfour, I mean that one was a little 2625 02:02:14,320 --> 02:02:18,480 Speaker 1: bit different because he genuinely looked infirm holy Field, you know, 2626 02:02:18,640 --> 02:02:21,320 Speaker 1: like like if he didn't have a walker, he would 2627 02:02:21,360 --> 02:02:23,720 Speaker 1: have lost his balance going up the stairs. I mean, 2628 02:02:23,720 --> 02:02:26,160 Speaker 1: that was really bad. Mike appears to be in better 2629 02:02:26,160 --> 02:02:28,600 Speaker 1: condition than that. But I agree with you, it's not 2630 02:02:28,640 --> 02:02:29,920 Speaker 1: gonna be one of the things where, like you know, 2631 02:02:31,440 --> 02:02:35,360 Speaker 1: Castillo corralis what it's like, multiple times rallying off the 2632 02:02:35,400 --> 02:02:38,880 Speaker 1: fucking canvas. No, he gets rocked, maybe once, but certainly 2633 02:02:38,880 --> 02:02:40,000 Speaker 1: even twice, they're gonna call it. 2634 02:02:40,120 --> 02:02:40,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 2635 02:02:40,400 --> 02:02:44,000 Speaker 6: Well, Elgaio de Dorado put a cock on his head, Luke, 2636 02:02:44,040 --> 02:02:46,200 Speaker 6: and we have footage of it as he talks about 2637 02:02:46,240 --> 02:02:47,800 Speaker 6: his want for Canelio. 2638 02:02:48,400 --> 02:02:49,920 Speaker 7: It's gonna be a short night for Mike. 2639 02:02:50,480 --> 02:02:53,040 Speaker 6: It's not about how long you've been doing something, it's 2640 02:02:53,080 --> 02:02:55,720 Speaker 6: about how good you do it. On Friday night, people 2641 02:02:55,760 --> 02:02:58,760 Speaker 6: are gonna see me outbox the person who's been doing 2642 02:02:58,800 --> 02:02:59,600 Speaker 6: it their whole life. 2643 02:03:00,080 --> 02:03:01,480 Speaker 12: Canelo be the next fight? 2644 02:03:01,640 --> 02:03:02,800 Speaker 5: Finally would that happen? 2645 02:03:03,160 --> 02:03:05,600 Speaker 6: And he's not a fucking puta. 2646 02:03:06,600 --> 02:03:10,960 Speaker 2: There's the answer, Jake, Joseph Paul will knock out Mike 2647 02:03:11,080 --> 02:03:13,120 Speaker 2: Tyson Friday, November fifteenth. 2648 02:03:13,160 --> 02:03:17,480 Speaker 7: It is written in the fucking history books. Okay, got 2649 02:03:17,480 --> 02:03:18,960 Speaker 7: me with that Puota line. Here's the thing. 2650 02:03:19,080 --> 02:03:23,080 Speaker 6: Jake's largely cringe him yelling at Ariel after the slap 2651 02:03:23,120 --> 02:03:25,920 Speaker 6: and all that shit was weird. So was him trying 2652 02:03:25,960 --> 02:03:28,560 Speaker 6: to talk down the boxers on the undercart over that, 2653 02:03:28,640 --> 02:03:30,200 Speaker 6: you know, the bets he was trying to make with him. 2654 02:03:30,240 --> 02:03:30,920 Speaker 7: It was all weird. 2655 02:03:31,400 --> 02:03:33,760 Speaker 6: But then he'll deliver a killer line out of nowhere 2656 02:03:33,840 --> 02:03:35,879 Speaker 6: like that, and I'm like, yeah, let's see. 2657 02:03:35,760 --> 02:03:37,040 Speaker 1: You thought that line was killer. 2658 02:03:37,640 --> 02:03:40,480 Speaker 7: I thought he delivered it well, Luke. Okay, I'm like. 2659 02:03:41,480 --> 02:03:43,800 Speaker 1: Luke settled to settle the score here. I thought that 2660 02:03:43,840 --> 02:03:46,080 Speaker 1: was Lame's ship the whole way through. Where do you 2661 02:03:46,080 --> 02:03:46,400 Speaker 1: come down? 2662 02:03:46,560 --> 02:03:48,560 Speaker 8: I'm gonna kind of agree with Luke here, I thought 2663 02:03:48,600 --> 02:03:49,400 Speaker 8: it was kind of all right. 2664 02:03:49,440 --> 02:03:51,920 Speaker 6: He slipped one past my five hole. Sorry, but the 2665 02:03:51,960 --> 02:03:54,840 Speaker 6: whole I'm gonna fuck him up. Ariel, I mean, dude, 2666 02:03:54,880 --> 02:03:57,360 Speaker 6: what'd you make an Ariel? Announcing Mike Tyson and like 2667 02:03:57,440 --> 02:04:00,560 Speaker 6: he was Vince McMahon, you know, announcing the XFL. 2668 02:04:00,680 --> 02:04:03,880 Speaker 1: It was it was aggressive, you know, I you know, 2669 02:04:04,240 --> 02:04:06,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. I mean, I'll 2670 02:04:06,040 --> 02:04:08,360 Speaker 1: tell you this much. If Netflix Plate paid paid me 2671 02:04:08,520 --> 02:04:12,000 Speaker 1: to give a cringy ass fucking announcement for Mike Tyson, 2672 02:04:12,080 --> 02:04:13,520 Speaker 1: I do the same. I'll tell you that much. 2673 02:04:13,800 --> 02:04:16,600 Speaker 7: All right, Luke, fourth round stoppage? How about that Jake 2674 02:04:16,640 --> 02:04:18,480 Speaker 7: Paul halfway right before the halfway point? 2675 02:04:18,480 --> 02:04:18,920 Speaker 3: Fourth round? 2676 02:04:19,080 --> 02:04:21,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's I think that's a good, solid bet. 2677 02:04:21,320 --> 02:04:22,680 Speaker 1: I don't think it goes much longer than that. 2678 02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:23,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 2679 02:04:23,200 --> 02:04:25,280 Speaker 6: Do you think he tries to go full heel and 2680 02:04:25,360 --> 02:04:27,760 Speaker 6: clown Mike afterwards? Or is it going to be all love? 2681 02:04:28,600 --> 02:04:31,800 Speaker 1: No, he's definitely gonna show love afterwards. But he'll be 2682 02:04:31,840 --> 02:04:35,200 Speaker 1: shitty to Canelo or he's definitely Remember all the boxers 2683 02:04:35,240 --> 02:04:37,000 Speaker 1: that picked Mike, which I don't quite get because most 2684 02:04:37,000 --> 02:04:39,040 Speaker 1: boxers have talked to you privately, all think Mike's gonna 2685 02:04:39,040 --> 02:04:41,680 Speaker 1: get splattered too. Yes, you know, we just had Sean Porter. 2686 02:04:41,800 --> 02:04:43,360 Speaker 1: He said, you know, he didn't say that, but he's 2687 02:04:43,360 --> 02:04:45,560 Speaker 1: gonna lose. But then like Shoeshu Carrington and all these 2688 02:04:45,560 --> 02:04:47,760 Speaker 1: people were like betting Mike, and then Jake got bitter. 2689 02:04:47,880 --> 02:04:50,600 Speaker 1: He's definitely gonna be shitty than them, for sure, for sure. 2690 02:04:50,600 --> 02:04:52,480 Speaker 6: All Right, Well, Luke, that cole main event that is 2691 02:04:52,520 --> 02:04:55,880 Speaker 6: absolutely fantastic, this time for Taylor's undisputed one hundred and 2692 02:04:55,920 --> 02:04:58,760 Speaker 6: forty pound title. The odds shifted in the last forty 2693 02:04:58,800 --> 02:05:02,120 Speaker 6: eight hours. Your favorite as Amanda Serrano now at minus 2694 02:05:02,200 --> 02:05:05,200 Speaker 6: one twenty against the plus one hundred Taylor. There's the 2695 02:05:05,280 --> 02:05:09,600 Speaker 6: face off from Thursday's press conference, Luke, Serrano was the 2696 02:05:09,600 --> 02:05:11,360 Speaker 6: bigger puncher in the first fight, even though she was 2697 02:05:11,400 --> 02:05:14,320 Speaker 6: coming up and wait, she hurt Katie in in that 2698 02:05:14,440 --> 02:05:17,040 Speaker 6: round five that you wonder if there were three minute 2699 02:05:17,120 --> 02:05:17,520 Speaker 6: rounds and. 2700 02:05:17,480 --> 02:05:19,440 Speaker 7: Not two, if Taylor might not make it out of 2701 02:05:19,440 --> 02:05:19,960 Speaker 7: that round. 2702 02:05:20,360 --> 02:05:22,880 Speaker 6: I thought Serrano won the first fight, but to be fair, 2703 02:05:22,960 --> 02:05:27,240 Speaker 6: six to four either way wasn't criminal the odds makers 2704 02:05:27,280 --> 02:05:30,440 Speaker 6: like Serrano in this second fight. We have seen some 2705 02:05:30,480 --> 02:05:32,920 Speaker 6: decline out of Katie Taylor, although coming back to beat 2706 02:05:32,960 --> 02:05:36,000 Speaker 6: Shantel Cameron in the rematch showed every bit of heart 2707 02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:39,000 Speaker 6: that she brings. Who wins this rematch and why. 2708 02:05:39,520 --> 02:05:43,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess Serrano, But she's getting older as well. 2709 02:05:43,320 --> 02:05:45,680 Speaker 1: Obviously you know she's not quite a spring chicken either. 2710 02:05:45,720 --> 02:05:47,680 Speaker 1: But I with you. I thought Serrono did enough the 2711 02:05:47,720 --> 02:05:51,240 Speaker 1: first time to win, but again, Katie Taylor fought her 2712 02:05:51,320 --> 02:05:53,880 Speaker 1: fucking ass off in that contest, so you can't be 2713 02:05:53,960 --> 02:05:54,440 Speaker 1: mad about it. 2714 02:05:54,440 --> 02:05:54,840 Speaker 3: It's fine. 2715 02:05:54,840 --> 02:05:57,840 Speaker 1: I totally accept the results as legitimate. I just feel 2716 02:05:57,840 --> 02:06:00,120 Speaker 1: like Katie Taylor's like kind of up against it. This 2717 02:06:00,160 --> 02:06:03,520 Speaker 1: rematch probably should happened a little bit sooner, but it's 2718 02:06:03,560 --> 02:06:05,480 Speaker 1: going to be amazing for as long as it lasts. 2719 02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:07,600 Speaker 1: So give me Serrano by a hair. But I think 2720 02:06:07,640 --> 02:06:08,320 Speaker 1: she gets it done. 2721 02:06:08,560 --> 02:06:10,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think she's going to land the bigger punches, 2722 02:06:10,480 --> 02:06:11,640 Speaker 6: big power punches early. 2723 02:06:11,720 --> 02:06:12,360 Speaker 7: Like she's saying. 2724 02:06:12,400 --> 02:06:15,200 Speaker 6: I think Katie Taylor, for as amazing as she is, Yes, 2725 02:06:15,240 --> 02:06:18,200 Speaker 6: she's also really tried to benefit from the ten round 2726 02:06:18,200 --> 02:06:21,120 Speaker 6: two minute round format. That's why both fights Katie Taylor 2727 02:06:21,160 --> 02:06:24,120 Speaker 6: refused the change to the twelve rounds in the three 2728 02:06:24,360 --> 02:06:27,520 Speaker 6: minute rounds. So I wonder if this produces a trilogy. 2729 02:06:27,560 --> 02:06:29,560 Speaker 6: Serano seems start to be talking about that. We'd all 2730 02:06:29,560 --> 02:06:30,880 Speaker 6: be down for it. Luke, what do you think about 2731 02:06:30,880 --> 02:06:34,440 Speaker 6: the purses? The reports online are that Taylor's going to 2732 02:06:34,480 --> 02:06:36,800 Speaker 6: get six point one million, which would be the largest 2733 02:06:36,800 --> 02:06:42,440 Speaker 6: purse in female fighting history in that Serrano. When you 2734 02:06:42,480 --> 02:06:44,480 Speaker 6: add in the money she's going to be made as 2735 02:06:44,480 --> 02:06:47,280 Speaker 6: a promoter and some of the TV deal money that 2736 02:06:47,320 --> 02:06:49,720 Speaker 6: she'll get could be as close to ten million. 2737 02:06:49,440 --> 02:06:52,400 Speaker 1: Even I think that's amazing. Again, Jake Paul's got a 2738 02:06:52,440 --> 02:06:53,800 Speaker 1: lot of things about him that I don't care too 2739 02:06:53,880 --> 02:06:55,840 Speaker 1: much for, but he puts Serrano on the map in 2740 02:06:55,880 --> 02:06:57,960 Speaker 1: a way that nobody else had. I really appreciate that 2741 02:06:58,080 --> 02:07:00,480 Speaker 1: Katie Taylor has earned a payday like this. Then some 2742 02:07:00,880 --> 02:07:02,680 Speaker 1: good for those ladies. I hope that they can get. 2743 02:07:02,920 --> 02:07:05,640 Speaker 1: They can use that money and for great things in 2744 02:07:05,680 --> 02:07:07,000 Speaker 1: their life. They've they've earned it. 2745 02:07:07,240 --> 02:07:09,360 Speaker 6: I hope they get care things in their life too. 2746 02:07:09,640 --> 02:07:12,080 Speaker 6: Let's close, Luke, with our chance to give the people 2747 02:07:12,400 --> 02:07:14,640 Speaker 6: an opportunity to call us out. I'm told we don't 2748 02:07:14,680 --> 02:07:17,840 Speaker 6: have fan subs this week, but Morningcombat at gmail dot 2749 02:07:17,880 --> 02:07:20,480 Speaker 6: com is where you can drop in fan subs or 2750 02:07:20,520 --> 02:07:22,880 Speaker 6: if you got issue with something we said, then say 2751 02:07:22,880 --> 02:07:23,720 Speaker 6: it to our face. 2752 02:07:24,160 --> 02:07:28,120 Speaker 7: On Dead Wrong No Dead Wrong intro. 2753 02:07:28,400 --> 02:07:31,480 Speaker 1: All right, we don't have any imaging anymore Long Island. 2754 02:07:31,520 --> 02:07:35,000 Speaker 7: Do we have any dead wrong opportunity? 2755 02:07:35,120 --> 02:07:36,960 Speaker 8: We haven't had it. I thought I thought that was known. 2756 02:07:37,120 --> 02:07:39,440 Speaker 7: Sorry, Oh we don't have dead wrong either. 2757 02:07:39,920 --> 02:07:41,480 Speaker 8: Oh no, oh sorry, we do have dead wrong. We 2758 02:07:41,520 --> 02:07:41,800 Speaker 8: have one. 2759 02:07:41,840 --> 02:07:43,520 Speaker 7: We have one. Oh, I got it right in front 2760 02:07:43,560 --> 02:07:43,680 Speaker 7: of me. 2761 02:07:43,720 --> 02:07:43,960 Speaker 3: Here we go. 2762 02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:44,400 Speaker 7: I'll read it. 2763 02:07:44,400 --> 02:07:44,720 Speaker 1: Okay. 2764 02:07:44,920 --> 02:07:49,240 Speaker 6: This one is from Daz, who says mahaalo. At twenty 2765 02:07:49,280 --> 02:07:52,320 Speaker 6: minutes and forty seconds on Monday's episode, BC references the 2766 02:07:52,760 --> 02:07:56,160 Speaker 6: RDR versus Malleqin fights, saying that we have seen our 2767 02:07:56,240 --> 02:07:59,600 Speaker 6: DR get crushed before moving up and fighting Mallekin. 2768 02:08:00,120 --> 02:08:03,000 Speaker 7: BC. OURDR never went up to fight Mallakin. 2769 02:08:03,160 --> 02:08:08,080 Speaker 6: Mallikin came down to fight him twice, taking Rainier's light 2770 02:08:08,120 --> 02:08:12,280 Speaker 6: heavyweight and middleweight titles after becoming the one interim heavyweight 2771 02:08:12,360 --> 02:08:16,280 Speaker 6: champ between the MK channel and the individual channels. Always 2772 02:08:16,320 --> 02:08:20,440 Speaker 6: appreciative of the content, says Daz Mahalo Luke, where would 2773 02:08:20,440 --> 02:08:23,880 Speaker 6: you rank Daz in your current ranking of favorite Hawaiians 2774 02:08:23,960 --> 02:08:28,080 Speaker 6: keeping in mind that telvin Key Poppa money in the 2775 02:08:28,080 --> 02:08:28,640 Speaker 6: bank with us. 2776 02:08:28,960 --> 02:08:30,640 Speaker 1: Well, the good news is there is that he's back 2777 02:08:30,720 --> 02:08:32,760 Speaker 1: up on that ass and he gives these motherfuckers a 2778 02:08:32,800 --> 02:08:34,960 Speaker 1: blast from the past. That's what I really like about him. 2779 02:08:35,080 --> 02:08:38,040 Speaker 6: Okay, thank you, Daz, thank you for not ranking any Hawaiians, 2780 02:08:38,120 --> 02:08:41,000 Speaker 6: including Governor Penn or Molana. 2781 02:08:41,040 --> 02:08:41,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, what do you got over? 2782 02:08:41,960 --> 02:08:44,360 Speaker 4: I wanted to say that Daz is like the unofficial 2783 02:08:44,520 --> 02:08:47,360 Speaker 4: king of the Dead Wrongs. He lives for pointing out 2784 02:08:47,360 --> 02:08:49,120 Speaker 4: the dead wrongs and sending him any good. 2785 02:08:49,440 --> 02:08:52,400 Speaker 1: We deserve that and it's an important part of the show. Also, 2786 02:08:53,000 --> 02:08:56,440 Speaker 1: you mentioned Mowana. Mawana II comes out later this month. 2787 02:08:56,520 --> 02:08:58,920 Speaker 1: The Tuckster is chopping at dub. 2788 02:09:00,080 --> 02:09:03,440 Speaker 6: And Rock Johnson sucks now, Okay tell her that. Yeah, 2789 02:09:03,440 --> 02:09:04,920 Speaker 6: that's hard to watch at him in the theater. 2790 02:09:05,080 --> 02:09:05,280 Speaker 7: I can. 2791 02:09:05,480 --> 02:09:08,640 Speaker 1: I can attest one of the worst movies I've ever seen, 2792 02:09:08,920 --> 02:09:11,200 Speaker 1: But moan, he was good in Mowana. He was definitely 2793 02:09:11,200 --> 02:09:11,839 Speaker 1: good in Mowana. 2794 02:09:11,920 --> 02:09:13,520 Speaker 6: I do give him that. Yeah, I did see that 2795 02:09:13,560 --> 02:09:15,680 Speaker 6: with the kids. Yeah, all right, well, Luke, I hope 2796 02:09:15,680 --> 02:09:17,520 Speaker 6: you enjoy yourself. I hope you have a great time 2797 02:09:17,520 --> 02:09:22,120 Speaker 6: tonight with Tyson Paul and the live experience. And you 2798 02:09:22,120 --> 02:09:24,880 Speaker 6: know we'll be back in Monday in Manhattan. 2799 02:09:24,880 --> 02:09:27,000 Speaker 1: Right, we will. Monday in Manhattan is going to be 2800 02:09:27,000 --> 02:09:30,120 Speaker 1: a big show, recapping Tyson Paul, recapping UFC three oh 2801 02:09:30,200 --> 02:09:32,560 Speaker 1: nine Crazy Week. I mean, here's the thing, b see, 2802 02:09:33,040 --> 02:09:35,600 Speaker 1: you might be getting sandbags in both main events. You 2803 02:09:35,680 --> 02:09:37,920 Speaker 1: might get Jake Paul sandbagging. And it could be just 2804 02:09:37,960 --> 02:09:40,840 Speaker 1: a quick night for Stipe, for John getting his hand raised. 2805 02:09:40,880 --> 02:09:44,960 Speaker 1: But but maybe something crazy fucking happens. I certainly hope it. 2806 02:09:45,000 --> 02:09:46,840 Speaker 6: Might be too soon with all the hurricanes in our 2807 02:09:46,880 --> 02:09:48,480 Speaker 6: country to use the sandbag joke. 2808 02:09:48,560 --> 02:09:49,800 Speaker 7: Luke, I'm not really into that. 2809 02:09:49,880 --> 02:09:52,000 Speaker 6: You know, some a lot of good people are still 2810 02:09:52,000 --> 02:09:53,160 Speaker 6: trying to get back in their homes. 2811 02:09:53,200 --> 02:09:59,080 Speaker 7: All right, Okay, okay. 2812 02:09:59,280 --> 02:10:03,920 Speaker 6: Luke, real quick, Mikey Mussamechi signs an official contract with 2813 02:10:03,960 --> 02:10:06,640 Speaker 6: the UFC to grapple on their events. 2814 02:10:06,680 --> 02:10:07,440 Speaker 7: What do you think about that? 2815 02:10:07,880 --> 02:10:10,440 Speaker 1: Interesting? I mean, I've seen some other grappler sort of 2816 02:10:10,440 --> 02:10:13,480 Speaker 1: comment like, obviously Mikey is an amazing grappler, there's no question, 2817 02:10:13,520 --> 02:10:16,440 Speaker 1: but he doesn't exactly have the most like fan friendly 2818 02:10:16,480 --> 02:10:20,240 Speaker 1: style because he's got a really intricate system. But the 2819 02:10:20,240 --> 02:10:22,680 Speaker 1: bigger story there is like it's an exclusive deal as 2820 02:10:22,720 --> 02:10:25,040 Speaker 1: I understand it, and there's supposed to be more coming, 2821 02:10:25,040 --> 02:10:27,400 Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, you got to give some 2822 02:10:27,480 --> 02:10:29,960 Speaker 1: credit to one for kind of I mean us he's 2823 02:10:29,960 --> 02:10:31,880 Speaker 1: been doing five Pass Invitational so that you know they 2824 02:10:31,960 --> 02:10:33,720 Speaker 1: credit to them as well. I want to be very clear, 2825 02:10:33,720 --> 02:10:36,200 Speaker 1: but like you know, a blowing up Mikey's profile and 2826 02:10:36,280 --> 02:10:38,520 Speaker 1: b like kind of integrating them into their events and 2827 02:10:38,560 --> 02:10:40,600 Speaker 1: making it a big thing that folks could get behind. 2828 02:10:41,080 --> 02:10:42,560 Speaker 1: And now the UFC wants to do that and make 2829 02:10:42,600 --> 02:10:44,360 Speaker 1: it more. I'm curious to see what UFC is gonna 2830 02:10:44,400 --> 02:10:45,800 Speaker 1: do here. I really want to see what's gonna happen 2831 02:10:45,880 --> 02:10:46,400 Speaker 1: me too. 2832 02:10:46,520 --> 02:10:48,400 Speaker 6: And I'm also going to be curious to see today 2833 02:10:48,440 --> 02:10:52,120 Speaker 6: if the UFC gives us the boom and announces Shavkov 2834 02:10:52,280 --> 02:10:54,800 Speaker 6: versus I and Gary for three ten, or if we 2835 02:10:54,880 --> 02:10:57,560 Speaker 6: get the doom of usman again. 2836 02:10:57,960 --> 02:11:00,400 Speaker 1: Or how about this one? How about schofcov Would you 2837 02:11:00,440 --> 02:11:01,839 Speaker 1: take shot cop versus Colby? 2838 02:11:02,880 --> 02:11:06,560 Speaker 6: No, No, no, that's so no. 2839 02:11:07,040 --> 02:11:09,800 Speaker 1: Dude, Shoffcott beating the shit out of Colby Coverton. You 2840 02:11:09,800 --> 02:11:10,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't take that. 2841 02:11:10,600 --> 02:11:12,240 Speaker 7: Well, I don't want Colby's done. 2842 02:11:12,240 --> 02:11:13,840 Speaker 6: I mean, I know Trump's back in the White House, 2843 02:11:13,840 --> 02:11:16,160 Speaker 6: but Colby to me is like like, I'm done. 2844 02:11:16,360 --> 02:11:17,600 Speaker 7: You want to fight an old guy shirt. 2845 02:11:17,680 --> 02:11:21,560 Speaker 1: Listen, Colby's either going to fight Shoftcott or he's just 2846 02:11:21,640 --> 02:11:25,520 Speaker 1: gonna be the you know, the head of health. Hhs Uh, 2847 02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:26,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? 2848 02:11:26,640 --> 02:11:28,280 Speaker 7: So I do do there? 2849 02:11:28,320 --> 02:11:28,520 Speaker 11: You go? 2850 02:11:28,600 --> 02:11:29,520 Speaker 7: I hope it's you and Gary. 2851 02:11:29,560 --> 02:11:32,000 Speaker 6: We're gonna find out today, But I'm about to pee 2852 02:11:32,080 --> 02:11:35,160 Speaker 6: my pants. So for Luke Thomas, for oh yeah, you 2853 02:11:35,160 --> 02:11:37,120 Speaker 6: can wear this merch. Look how good this shirt looks 2854 02:11:37,120 --> 02:11:39,480 Speaker 6: on me? Go to Morningcombat Dot store right now. I 2855 02:11:39,520 --> 02:11:41,760 Speaker 6: don't even know who's behind the cash register, but you 2856 02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:44,640 Speaker 6: can probably get ten percent off using live ten. We've 2857 02:11:44,640 --> 02:11:47,080 Speaker 6: got great merch and I will have an answer if 2858 02:11:47,080 --> 02:11:48,320 Speaker 6: we still sell it next week. 2859 02:11:48,360 --> 02:11:49,560 Speaker 7: Hopefully we've got a big meet. 2860 02:11:50,480 --> 02:11:52,240 Speaker 1: Now you can follow and subscribe all the good stuff 2861 02:11:52,280 --> 02:11:55,120 Speaker 1: there the channels, the Brian Campbell experience, Luke Thomas there, 2862 02:11:55,120 --> 02:11:58,360 Speaker 1: and Morning Combat everywhere as well. Liking subscribe, follow it 2863 02:11:58,400 --> 02:11:58,920 Speaker 1: and all. 2864 02:11:58,880 --> 02:12:01,120 Speaker 6: Right, take care of yourselves, but we love you Long Island. 2865 02:12:01,120 --> 02:12:02,920 Speaker 6: Look you got anything else to say, probably not right. 2866 02:12:03,160 --> 02:12:03,560 Speaker 7: One thing. 2867 02:12:03,640 --> 02:12:07,160 Speaker 8: Maybe join me tonight watch along eight pm in the East. 2868 02:12:07,480 --> 02:12:10,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, take your clothes off, hang out with Luke, no Sita. 2869 02:12:10,080 --> 02:12:12,080 Speaker 6: It's a good life. Thank you so much. We are 2870 02:12:12,160 --> 02:12:12,640 Speaker 6: out of here.