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Speaker 2: Hope all of you guys are having an incredible weekend.
Speaker 2: We were planning on taking the weekend off, but the
Speaker 2: Nixon Raptors have other plans. As og Ananobi is headed
Speaker 2: to the Knicks are gonna be breaking down that deal
Speaker 2: from the perfect of both teams. You guys are the
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Speaker 2: let's talk some basketball. So the full trade details. The
Speaker 2: Knicks get og and Andobi, Malachi Flynn and Precious Atchua,
Speaker 2: and the Raptors get RJ. Barrett, the manual quickly and
Speaker 2: one second round pick. Not too much when you really
Speaker 2: look at it. And that's first of all, why I
Speaker 2: love this deal for the Knicks. They didn't give away
Speaker 2: anything of real franchise altering value. Right. RJ. Barrett, in
Speaker 2: my opinion, is a better player than his reputation at
Speaker 2: this point. I think the pendulum has swung a little
Speaker 2: too far with him. There's so much focus on his
Speaker 2: offensive limitations that people are forgetting like he's actually a
Speaker 2: really good athlete, that strong, physical, and a pretty good
Speaker 2: defensive player. That said, the offensive limitations are real. He
Speaker 2: just hasn't developed in terms of his skill set the
Speaker 2: way you'd hope for a player of his pedigree. He's
Speaker 2: a good shooter when he has, like all day to
Speaker 2: get into his muscle memory. But if you can disrupt
Speaker 2: that even to the slightest extent, it falls apart. You
Speaker 2: can see that in the numbers this year. Forty seven
Speaker 2: percent field goal percentage on unguarded catch and shoot jump
Speaker 2: shots drops to eighteen percent when he's guarded in twenty
Speaker 2: seven percent off the dribble. So again, you just look
Speaker 2: at it from the standpoint of resource management. He's a
Speaker 2: good defensive player that is a bad offensive player on
Speaker 2: and off the ball. So if we piece all of
Speaker 2: that together, and you factor in that he's making in
Speaker 2: the mid twenty million range, it's just a tough, you know,
Speaker 2: chunk of your cap space. Given the amount of production
Speaker 2: you're getting, you'd be better off taking his usage and
Speaker 2: giving it to more efficient players and then in the
Speaker 2: future looking for another athletic two guard that can fill
Speaker 2: that position. First of all, you've got a bunch of
Speaker 2: the those guys between Josh Hart, Quinton Grimes, and Dante DiVincenzo, right,
Speaker 2: and you're just better off giving those guys more minutes,
Speaker 2: focusing them on defense, and then playing a real three.
Speaker 2: Because that's the other part of this too, is R. J.
Speaker 2: Barrett was playing the three a lot of the time,
Speaker 2: and he's not big enough or good enough offensively to
Speaker 2: really be a dominant, you know, starting three for a
Speaker 2: really good team in this league. So again R. J.
Speaker 2: Barrett better than his reputation, but a poor use of
Speaker 2: cap space. So I looked at him as like basically
Speaker 2: a loss the Knicks could afford. Now, Emmanuel Quickly is.
Speaker 1: Gonna be the one.
Speaker 2: A lot of Knicks fans are gonna be really sad
Speaker 2: to lose in this deal. And don't get me wrong,
Speaker 2: Emmanuel Quickly is really good and the Raptors are really
Speaker 2: gonna like him, like him, especially because they are so
Speaker 2: devoid of talent in their backcourt relative to most teams
Speaker 2: in the league. He's good on and off the ball
Speaker 2: one point zero three points per possession and pick and
Speaker 2: roll one point per possession in ISO, fifty seven percent
Speaker 2: effectiveield goal percentage on catch and shoot jump shots, fifty
Speaker 2: two percent effective field goal percentage on pull up jump shots,
Speaker 2: has a nasty floater nine on high volume. And he's actually,
Speaker 2: I think Quenton, excuse me, I think Emmanuel Quickly is
Speaker 2: actually a decent point of attack defender. He's just a
Speaker 2: little bit small, right that said, all of that put together,
Speaker 2: he's still a redundancy. Jalen Brunson is just a better
Speaker 2: player than him, and everything we've talked about on this
Speaker 2: show about like, you know, if you want to be,
Speaker 2: if you want to be a really seriously good basketball team,
Speaker 2: I don't think you can in your core lineups play
Speaker 2: two small guards together. And time and time again, we've
Speaker 2: seen moments where the Knicks are going into a fourth
Speaker 2: quarter in Emmanuel Quickly is cooking to start the fourth
Speaker 2: and then you have to go away from him at
Speaker 2: the end of the game. It's kind of like what
Speaker 2: we've been talking about with Austin Reeves and D'Angelo Russell.
Speaker 2: It's like it's not so much whether or not D'Angel
Speaker 2: Russell's one of the Lakers' top five players, because I
Speaker 2: think he is. I think he's their fifth best player,
Speaker 2: But you can't play him alongside Austin Reeves because they're
Speaker 2: both below average athletes. And you know, we look and
Speaker 2: this is gonna be a big theme in this show today.
Speaker 2: This position. You know, basketball has become positionless in my opinion,
Speaker 2: but it's not roleless. I think the ideal form of
Speaker 2: a modern basketball team, in my opinion, as I've said
Speaker 2: many times on the show, is a skill guard, an
Speaker 2: athlete guard, a perimeter forward, a bigger, you know, more
Speaker 2: interior oriented forward, and then an athletic center that can
Speaker 2: defend in multiple coverages.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And if you look at kind of the layout of
Speaker 2: the team with the Knicks, it's like Emmanuel Quickly's probably
Speaker 2: one of their five best players, but he's a skill guard,
Speaker 2: just like a Jalen Brunson. He is a good athlete,
Speaker 2: but he's not a big, strong enough athlete to be
Speaker 2: the two next to Jalen Brunson. Right, So it's a
Speaker 2: roster imbalance. So as good as Emmanuel Quickly is and
Speaker 2: as sad as I know most Knicks fans are going
Speaker 2: to be to see him go, I looked at him
Speaker 2: as another guy on that roster that is a redundancy
Speaker 2: and therefore someone that is, you know, not not a
Speaker 2: devastating loss to the future of the franchise for them
Speaker 2: to give up. And then in addition to all of that,
Speaker 2: they only gave up one second round pick. Honestly, I'm
Speaker 2: stunned with how famously stingy the rafters are that the
Speaker 2: Knick Scott this deal done without giving up a first
Speaker 2: round pick. Now, the intel is I saw a report
Speaker 2: this morning that Apparently Ojan and Obi and his team
Speaker 2: have behind the scenes been kind of telling everybody like, hey,
Speaker 2: my next deal is gonna be forty plus million a
Speaker 2: year unless I'm in New York, and so maybe that
Speaker 2: did some to dampen the interest in him around the league.
Speaker 2: I also wouldn't be surprised if, just in general, the
Speaker 2: fear of a long term deal surrounding ogn Andoby in
Speaker 2: some of his injury history played a role there. But
Speaker 2: whatever it was, this ended up being the price right.
Speaker 2: So like first and foremost, what I love for the
Speaker 2: Knicks is to me is a significant positional need that
Speaker 2: they addressed without having to give up too much. Now,
Speaker 2: how is Ognnobe a positional need? Like we talked about,
Speaker 2: I look at Jalen Brunson as the skill guard now
Speaker 2: without Emmanuel Quickly you kind of look at Evan Mobley
Speaker 2: as a guy or not Evan Mobley. So Evan Fournier
Speaker 2: is a guy that kind of slots back into that
Speaker 2: backup point guard role in that two three spot. Now,
Speaker 2: Ognnobi is a surefire, obvious above average starter at the
Speaker 2: three he slots in there. We're gonna talk about his
Speaker 2: individual skill set in a minute then you have three
Speaker 2: guys that you look at as like one's gonna start
Speaker 2: the two and the other two will basically spell at
Speaker 2: the two and the three. And that's Josh Hart, that's
Speaker 2: Quinton Grimes, that's Dante DiVincenzo, right, and so that kind
Speaker 2: of balances things out. Then at the forward position, you've
Speaker 2: got Julius Randall, precious to chu as a guy who
Speaker 2: can play both the power forward position and as a
Speaker 2: backup center. That's gonna be immensely valuable now with Mitchell
Speaker 2: Robinson being out out of the lineup. The one thing
Speaker 2: that's a huge bummer here is this just would be
Speaker 2: so much more interesting if it was like, Okay, we're
Speaker 2: going down with Jalen Brunson, Dante DiVincenzo, og Anobi, Julius Randall,
Speaker 2: Mitchell Robinson. And unfortunately, as a result of the injuries,
Speaker 2: it's it's just not an option at least within the
Speaker 2: scope of this season. That said, Ojannobi's a very good
Speaker 2: perimeter defensive player, to be honest, he just represents a
Speaker 2: player that the Knicks just don't have on the roster,
Speaker 2: which is a big forward that is quick on the perimeter.
Speaker 2: They don't really have this type of guy. Ognobi six
Speaker 2: 's eight with shoes on a seven to two wingspan.
Speaker 2: He's an excellent defensive player. He can guard multiple positions
Speaker 2: on the ball. He actually led the league in steals
Speaker 2: last year. Don't forget about the slotting element. A lot
Speaker 2: of this, A lot of the issues for the Knicks
Speaker 2: defensively over the years, especially in high leverage moments, is
Speaker 2: they just haven't really had that primary point of attack guy.
Speaker 2: And so what you end up doing is taking good
Speaker 2: point of attack defenders, not great ones, but good ones
Speaker 2: in giving them high leverage assignments. You guys might remember
Speaker 2: the Miami Heat series last year. It's like Quinton Grimes
Speaker 2: is guarding Jimmy Butler, and like Quentin Grimes is a
Speaker 2: solid perimeter defensive player, but Jimmy Butler is one of
Speaker 2: the best players in the league. Right By virtue of
Speaker 2: Ognobi being able to take all those high leverage assignments,
Speaker 2: it basically slots guys like Quinton Grimes, Doantet Di Vincenzo,
Speaker 2: and Josh Hart into more achievable defensive roles. I think
Speaker 2: that's gonna play a huge role. And then even as
Speaker 2: we just look at the Eastern Conference, like you got
Speaker 2: to go through Yeah, you got to go through Jason Tatum,
Speaker 2: you got to go through Jimmy Butler. Not only are
Speaker 2: those guys you know, small forward power forwards, but they're
Speaker 2: also big, strong, small forward power forwards, and og and
Speaker 2: Andobi is about as good an option as you can
Speaker 2: find in the league to slot against those guys because
Speaker 2: of his physical frame right so balances out the athletic
Speaker 2: profile of the lineup, gives you a primary point of
Speaker 2: attack defender. Now on offense for starters, he's just a
Speaker 2: way better shooter than RJ. Barrett. Fifty nine percent effective
Speaker 2: field goal percentage on catch and shoe jumpers good when
Speaker 2: he's guarded or open. This is the opposite of the RJ.
Speaker 2: Barrett thing right sixty percent effective field goal percentage when guarded,
Speaker 2: fifty seven percent effective field goal percentage when open. He
Speaker 2: converts spot up possessions at one point zero seven points
Speaker 2: per possession, which is above average. Just for comparison. RJ.
Speaker 2: Barrett converts spot up possessions at zero point nine points
Speaker 2: per one hundred possession, so almost twenty percent better at
Speaker 2: converting those off ball possessions. That's going to be a
Speaker 2: huge way and how many times for you Knicks fans
Speaker 2: in the last few weeks have you seen a play
Speaker 2: end with RJ Barrett catching the ball in the corner
Speaker 2: and missing a three. You've just made a significant upgrade
Speaker 2: in that play finishing position. Now, he's not very good
Speaker 2: on the ball, only ran seventy two pick and rolls
Speaker 2: and ISOs including passes this year, leading to just fifty
Speaker 2: four points. But he won't need to do too much
Speaker 2: of that. You're gonna be giving a lot of that RJ.
Speaker 2: Barrett usage to more efficient players. I think one of
Speaker 2: the things that they can do in a lot of
Speaker 2: cases is run two man game with Ojannobi with Jalen
Speaker 2: Brunson and expect teams to switch that. And one of
Speaker 2: the things that Ojannoby has done well on the ball
Speaker 2: is beat switches, particularly with the pass. I actually watched
Speaker 2: all of his post ups this morning. The rafters were
Speaker 2: really deliberate about posting him when he had a smaller
Speaker 2: defender on him, and he was consistently drawing double teams
Speaker 2: and making good plays out of it. As a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, oj Nnobi post ups including passes have been
Speaker 2: worth one point zero seven points per possession this year.
Speaker 2: So I look at him as more of a play
Speaker 2: finisher for the Knicks, like a significant upgrade on both
Speaker 2: ends of the floor. Now, does it make you as
Speaker 2: good as Boston or Milwaukee, No, but it does maintain
Speaker 2: your flexibility. So, insummation, here's why I love the deal
Speaker 2: for the Knicks. I'm a big believer that you don't
Speaker 2: really push your chips in like, and I mean like,
Speaker 2: throw all your draft picks and do whatever you gotta
Speaker 2: do to get a player unless you're getting a top
Speaker 2: tier superstar, right, or you already have a top tier
Speaker 2: superstar and you're looking for a secondary star. And when
Speaker 2: I say top tier superstar, I mean like one of
Speaker 2: the top seven or eight players in the league.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing, Like, if you're the Clippers and
Speaker 2: you need Paul George to get Kawhi, makes sense, right,
Speaker 2: you have Luka doncicin Dallas, you go after a guy
Speaker 2: like Kyrie, even if you have to overpay. Why Because
Speaker 2: Luca is a top tier superstar. And when you slot
Speaker 2: a top tier superstar next to a legitimate number two,
Speaker 2: you create these small, achievable other roles and then you're
Speaker 2: able to do what Dallas did last summer and you
Speaker 2: can just quickly retool with one sign and trade and
Speaker 2: a bunch of veteran minimum contracts, and suddenly you look
Speaker 2: like one of the better teams in the Western Conference.
Speaker 2: But it only makes sense to do so if you
Speaker 2: already have a top tier guy, or if you're going
Speaker 2: after a top tier guy. So, like when I see names,
Speaker 2: you know, like one of the advantages is Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 2: We all knew he was good in Dallas, but he
Speaker 2: turned out to be way better than we expected here
Speaker 2: with the Knicks. Right Like, as we talk about like, oh,
Speaker 2: should the Knicks go after Donovan Mitchell or should the
Speaker 2: Knicks go after Zach Lavine, one of the reasons why
Speaker 2: I've said no this season is Jalen Brunson's just better
Speaker 2: than those guys.
Speaker 1: He just is.
Speaker 2: So you already have your number two. So the next
Speaker 2: step is to try to get that top tier superstar.
Speaker 2: And the only way to do that is to one
Speaker 2: have the assets to do so, which the Knicks do.
Speaker 2: I saw something this morning. I think they have like
Speaker 2: eight first round picks. They can try four of their
Speaker 2: own and four of other teams, so they have the
Speaker 2: assets to make a superstar trade. Step two is make
Speaker 2: yourself desirable for a superstar, right you have to demonstrate competency.
Speaker 2: You have to demonstrate a winning environment. You have to
Speaker 2: appeal to superstars. This is a big step in that direction.
Speaker 2: Right now. You can in the future, you can do
Speaker 2: two things. You can be competent now. Like I don't
Speaker 2: know about you, guys, I'm excited to watch Jalen Brunson,
Speaker 2: a guy who's hooping his ass off this year, try
Speaker 2: to beat Boston, try to beat Milwaukee, try to beat Philly,
Speaker 2: flanked by og And Andobe, flanked by Julius Randall in
Speaker 2: a really physical frontline. I'm excited to see that that's
Speaker 2: gonna be fun Nick's basketball, and they're still headed in
Speaker 2: the right direction towards the inevitable superstar trade that will
Speaker 2: happen in the future. So I just absolutely love this
Speaker 2: deal for the Knicks. I know they're gonna be sad
Speaker 2: to lose Emmanuel quickly, but I think I think this
Speaker 2: was the ideal type of deal that improves the team
Speaker 2: on both ends of the floor in the short term,
Speaker 2: while maintaining that flexibility on the Raptors front. Like I said,
Speaker 2: I'm surprised to see og went for so little, But
Speaker 2: I do think those factors that I mentioned earlier played
Speaker 2: a role.
Speaker 1: They did.
Speaker 2: The Raptor's biggest weakness from a personnel standpoint is the
Speaker 2: guard position. I think Emmanuel Quickly, who's a deadly off
Speaker 2: ball shooter and actually a pretty high level shot creator,
Speaker 2: is going to be a really useful guard. To play
Speaker 2: significant minutes alongside Scottie Barnes and then RJ Barrett back
Speaker 2: in Canada is cool, Like I don't love the fit
Speaker 2: of RJ Barrett alongside a team that struggles with perimeter shooting.
Speaker 2: That said, I mean, it's a position for him, a
Speaker 2: change of scenery. It's a position for him. He's gonna
Speaker 2: get some really high quality looks playing off Scotty Barnes too.
Speaker 2: It's a position for him to revitalize his career. It
Speaker 2: does feel like Toronto's headed towards a rebuilt, and I
Speaker 2: don't love this deal for them, But it's tough to
Speaker 2: judge the rebuild until it's completely finished. There's gonna be
Speaker 2: other trades. Don't be surprised if Pascal Siakam gets moved.
Speaker 2: Don't be surprised if Dennis Schroeder gets moved. Don't be
Speaker 2: surprised if Yaka Purtle gets moved. Right, So like, all
Speaker 2: eyes are gonna be moving on to the other players
Speaker 2: on this Raptors roster. But I'm gonna reserve judgment on
Speaker 2: their rebuild until all the deals have been made. All right, guys,
Speaker 2: that is all I have for today. I'm gonna take
Speaker 2: the rest of the weekend off into Year'sday, so I'll
Speaker 2: see you guys on Tuesday. Borrowing asiakam trade.
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