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Speaker 1: Welcome It's a good game with Sarah Spain, without Sarah Spain.

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Speaker 1: Where the kids are in charge today.

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Speaker 2: Akaa, me producer and ME producer Alex. We can't promise

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Speaker 2: we won't break anything, but we will eat lots of

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Speaker 2: candy and definitely have some fun. On today's show, Misha

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Speaker 2: chats with multimedia journalist Erica l Ayala about New York's

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Speaker 2: path back to the WNBA Finals and what the Liberty

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Speaker 2: ground new shoes in women's sports in the wild.

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Speaker 1: That's all coming up right after this.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. Here's what you need to know today. The

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Speaker 2: best of five WNBA Finals get underway tonight between the

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Speaker 2: The Liberty are aiming to win the franchise's first ever

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Speaker 2: will they're going for banner number five, but they're first

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Speaker 2: since twenty seventeen. Tonight's game tips off at eight pm

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Speaker 2: Eastern on ESPN. Now, I'm personally hoping that Fees daughter

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Speaker 2: that is scheduled to be completed in December twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Friend of the show, Annie Costable was there reporting for

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Speaker 2: The quote unquote groundbreaking didn't actually involve digging up the

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Speaker 2: enough so that the owners, execs, and players and attendance

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Speaker 2: have become a major game changer in WNBA free agency.

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Speaker 2: Since the start of last season, three teams Las Vegas, Seattle,

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Speaker 2: women's basketball history. Now quick refresher folks. As a freshman,

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Speaker 2: Watkins helped usc make its deepest NC DOUBLEA tournament run

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Speaker 2: on to college soccer, on Tuesday, Duke earned the number

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Speaker 2: first time since nineteen ninety two, and tonight the Blue

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Speaker 2: Devils take on number seven Stanford AKA, last year's NCAA

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Speaker 2: It's worth noting that while these teams have played each

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Speaker 1: Erica el Ayala gives us the lowdown on the New

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Speaker 1: York Liberty heading into the finals Keep It Locked. She

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Speaker 1: She's returned to thwart our podcast Thupple with Sarah while

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Speaker 1: What's up, Erica?

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Speaker 3: Let up? Misha Jones. Good to be back.

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Speaker 1: Yes, good to have you back. It feels like it

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Speaker 1: feels like early Rosy media days, right, you would be

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Speaker 1: So let's let's get to the meat of this thing, right.

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Speaker 1: Gotta start with the New York Las Vegas series. The

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Speaker 1: So what went right for the Liberty to push him

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Speaker 3: To you, what went right is that Sabrina took the keys.

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Speaker 1: They have so many weapons, right, It's like they can

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Speaker 3: It was like it was some crazy She's had single

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Speaker 3: Aces and is over here talking about this is great,

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Speaker 3: like I've been telling you, I've been telling y'all for

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Speaker 2: I think that's a big part of it, right.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody could be in the position that

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Speaker 1: not the case. Sabrina has stepped up to that challenge

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Speaker 1: But you did mention JJ and Leoni Phoebish. Both of

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Speaker 3: I love this question because I think this is another

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Speaker 3: So Leoni Phoebish, We've been talking Brian and I about

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Speaker 3: like you know Sandra Brondela. But Rebecca Allen is the

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Speaker 3: You are Alex Morgan, you are at the top. You

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Speaker 3: operating at peak performance at all times. So you don't

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Speaker 3: for film session, all right, save that save that from

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 3: On the court, everything you do is golden and we're

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Speaker 1: And Sandy Brondelo has said it right, She's called JJ

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Speaker 3: You know what, I probably would use different language, but

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Speaker 3: and honestly, that's kind of how I feel like. If

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Speaker 3: I feel. I think it's so let me break that down.

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Speaker 3: there's nerves, of course, you know, it's respect for what

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Speaker 3: come on, like you know, I'm an underdog New Yorker

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Speaker 3: This is what's going to be interesting about this finals,

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Speaker 3: telling you that interview with sabrinian Escu one of my

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Speaker 1: That's the mentality you have to have when you're exactly

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Speaker 3: That's been proven this year and the New York Liberty

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Speaker 3: They're not gonna stop everybody. The New York Liberty are

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Speaker 3: gonna get points in the paint. That's gonna happen. Minnesota

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Speaker 3: is gonna get points in the paint. Minnesota can if

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Speaker 3: they really want to. They can and have already done

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Speaker 3: so They've beat New York Liberty in points in the paint.

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Speaker 3: They can beat the New York Liberty in the rebound battle. Again,

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Speaker 3: that goes back to why Junkle Jones and her double

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Speaker 3: double is so important. But if I were Minnesota, I

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Speaker 3: think that's what they're gonna want to do. Establish that

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Speaker 3: that's gonna be a hard battle because then if it

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Speaker 3: comes to a shootout again two similar teams, we know

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Speaker 3: both teams can shoot from the perimeter. I'd probably give Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: They en at this point in the season when it

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Speaker 3: comes to shooting from the perimeter, and we saw that

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Speaker 3: come into play against Connecticut in the semi finals. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And you know, the other big component of scoring points

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Speaker 1: in the paint for Minnesota is the Fisa Collier, right,

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Speaker 1: she has been I've heard her described as a ballerina

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Speaker 1: in the paint. She's extremely efficient, I mean her and

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Speaker 1: it's true. Her agility down there. It scares me some

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Speaker 1: of the moves that she makes because I'm like, what

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Speaker 1: about your knees, what about your ankles? What about you know?

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Speaker 1: But that's why Fee is a pro. And she started

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Speaker 1: game five she was back to being an unstoppable force.

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Speaker 1: So how does New York save or solve excuse me,

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Speaker 1: the Fee equation.

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Speaker 3: I think what you do is similarly to what the

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Speaker 3: Aces did against Sabrina Enescu. You make things very difficult

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Speaker 3: in the backcourt. So it's difficult to feed the ball

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Speaker 3: to Fee. I think that the FISA collier can bring

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Speaker 3: up the ball. But can she do it as well

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Speaker 3: and expertly as uh as Brianna Stewart has done. I

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Speaker 3: don't think so, not yet. I don't think she's been

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Speaker 3: asked to do that. So if you can put the

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Speaker 3: up the ball and try to switch things there make

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Speaker 3: things difficult for the backcourt, I'd be curious to see

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Speaker 3: if that's something we see from the New York Liberty,

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Speaker 3: just because that's a way that you can neutralize a

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Speaker 3: player in the paint by making sure that they have

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Speaker 1: All right, now, last question here, because we've got to

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Speaker 1: wrap up for time. Erica, yes or no? Will the

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Speaker 1: Liberty win this series? All right?

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Speaker 3: All right, I'm gonna give you an answer. You can

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Speaker 3: tell I don't like I don't like this, yes or no,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna do my job. I'm gonna do my job,

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Speaker 3: but I don't like this. I'm gonna and I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: say what I have to say, and then I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: explain what I'm going through right now, all right? The

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Speaker 3: New York Liberty do have what it takes to win

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Speaker 3: their first title. The New York Liberty do have what

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Speaker 3: it takes to stop the Minnesota Links from winning a

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Speaker 3: fifth title. This series is going five. It's going five,

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Speaker 3: and the New York Liberty are they going to win?

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Speaker 3: I mean I said, I said Links before the postseason started,

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Speaker 3: and the Liberty have played in a way that makes

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Speaker 3: me think that maybe I picked wrong. So I do

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Speaker 3: think the New York Liberty have a chance if they're

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Speaker 3: gonna do it though it's going five. That's my final

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Speaker 3: answer now the reason.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, that's.

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Speaker 3: I said what I said. You could ask the questions

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Speaker 3: and I answer them how I choose. No, like, I don't,

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Speaker 3: I honestly don't. I'm just a person in general, especially

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Speaker 3: when it's a New York team. I don't like making

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Speaker 3: predictions because to me as an as an analyst. Sure,

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Speaker 3: I watch the games, but we're not performing in the games.

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Speaker 3: It's just like you know, it's it's several steps from

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Speaker 3: even a coach, and I think it's important to honor

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Speaker 3: and respect what players do on the court. So I

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Speaker 3: can give you a prediction. I'm not saying it's gonna

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Speaker 3: be right, But if the New York Liberty win a title,

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Speaker 3: it's happening that it has to go to five. I

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Speaker 3: think they're gonna be pushed to the brink. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't see them winning. I don't see them sweeping,

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Speaker 3: and I don't see them getting through in four. If

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Speaker 3: the New York Liberty win, they're gonna have to earn it.

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Speaker 3: They said they ain't done nothing yet, and you have

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Speaker 3: to beat the best to be the best, and the

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Speaker 3: second best team is who they're taking on. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: are they gonna do it? I don't know. I honestly,

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Speaker 3: I genuinely do not know. I don't have a feeling

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Speaker 3: one way or another. If if the question is is

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Speaker 3: New York gonna win, I don't know. And if they do,

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Speaker 3: I'm very confident that they're gonna have to do it

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Speaker 3: in five games.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Erica for taking the time. You

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Speaker 1: know I always love talking to you. When we return,

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Speaker 1: we ask you to put your ears to the ground.

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Speaker 1: See you on the other side.

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