WEBVTT - and Ben Mankiewicz 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:16.600 Well, hello, gorgeous, we are back at it again. 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:19.759 Give them la la with rample. 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:22.799 Dude, exciting things today. 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:26.160 Well, first of all, it is a season finale. Vander 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:29.680 Pomp has happened. Yes, it's over. Let's just take a 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:33.440 minute and celebrate that. You just rock twenty episodes of 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:40.240 vander Pump Rules. Yes, yes, Okay, Now I'm gonna interview 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:43.760 you for a second. Okay, how do you feel about 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:44.280 your season? 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:49.239 I feel absolutely epic. You don't, yeah, because like you know, 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:52.440 here's the thing, and I'm going to really make this 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:53.840 short and sweet. 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:55.480 You get the hands up, so I definitely think it's 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.120 gonna be It's going to be intense. 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:03.400 For me, vander Pump Rules is very much real life, correct, 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:07.559 that's our real lives correct. However, the show is one 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:11.000 hour long. It is a produced show. So for me, 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.360 when I have my freakouts or my meltdowns, or I 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:17.000 have a really great scene, like however I feel about it, 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:21.160 I disconnect because I'm like, if I take this home 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:23.640 with me, I'll crawl into a hole. 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:27.119 No, first of all, we'll back up years before when 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:29.759 we first started dating. You did take this shit home 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:31.959 with you, and it was World War three. Right, what 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:35.240 I'm most proud of is that it really is your 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:37.560 real life and it kind of all blends together. But 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:40.320 I think that when you have tough scenes where it 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:42.640 gets like a little tough for you, I think you're 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:43.640 able to disconnect. 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:45.959 Now, well, you have to. And when I watch it, 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:48.920 when I have to like relive it, I sit there 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:53.440 and I'm like, fuck, this is entertaining, you know, like wow, 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:56.760 look at me go And then I know when it's 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:59.760 like great and I should probably apologize. But in order 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:03.320 for me to maintain like sanity, I have to just 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.360 look at it and be like, damn, that's so entertaining, 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:08.799 Like we did a great job. You know. That's how 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:10.480 you have to look at it. Are you gonna freak out? 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:13.400 Well, now that Astas calls me a Bravo leberty, I'm 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:15.280 gonna say that I just had a season vander promp 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:18.480 as well, so I have something to contribute. I after 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:21.080 my first scene coming out of the gate how to 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:24.200 let it go too, because I felt that they made 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:26.440 me look like I am the only person eating at 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:28.320 that dinner when I had a double chicken. 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:30.280 Sandap Oh, wow, you're really throwing it back to like 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:31.200 episode four. 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:34.280 I only had like two episodes the whole season, so 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:36.280 let me just revel in my one. First of all, 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.480 I didn't order two chicken fucking sandwiches. And second of all, 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:42.120 I'll order two more again. And by the way, y'all 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:44.200 ate two? Why was it only me? Why was it 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:44.880 only Randall? 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:49.280 Because it's because it's entertaining, Like that scene there memes about. 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:52.239 It, there's like slow motion to be eating chicken sandwiches. 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:55.079 Which keep in mind, I ordered like five dishes. Right wait, wait, 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.600 by the way, you when I know production is paying, 0:02:57.639 --> 0:02:59.920 I'm like, bring them out, bring them out, give me 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:01.360 all the goodness. 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.720 Off the way you you jacks, you Jacks and Brittany 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:07.000 or multiple dishes and I was a slow motion chicken 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.160 sandwich heater. It's bunch of bullshit. I also want to 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:11.960 say that the end of the season was. 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:13.720 Very Yeah, why are you asking me how I feel 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:15.880 about it? How do you feel about it? Your first 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:20.200 your first time ever appearing on Vanner Pump Rules, which 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:22.880 I literally told everybody that will never happen. 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:24.760 Never the way I told everybody will never happen. 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:27.840 And not only did it happen, your manipulator, absolutely, I 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.280 do reality TV. No one is safe. 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:32.839 And you also you also gave me that bullshit when 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.280 you're like, you know, this is my real life and 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:37.240 like we need to show this side. And I said, 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:39.160 you know that's not happening, he said, and then you 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:40.920 gave me that look like give me right now. And 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:42.960 then I folded like a like a like a like 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:44.200 a you know, just fold it. 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:47.400 Fold is like an envelope, licky lick, throw a stamp 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:49.360 on it, deliver it to Vanner pump rules. 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:51.720 But I will tell you I didn't film a lot. 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:52.800 Obviously I didn't. 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:55.520 You didn't, but it was hardcore. You had a scene 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:57.760 with James Kennedy. You're like, not only am I going 0:03:57.840 --> 0:03:59.480 to film now, I'm going to have a scene one 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:00.240 on one with James. 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:03.119 Now, hold on a second. I got trapped. They call 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:06.360 me your little producers for they're big producers, but your 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:08.440 big producers call me. They said, will you show up 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.440 at the at the season finale? And they said, there's 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:12.880 no reason for me. I'm not relevant to this. I'm 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:14.320 just going to stay home let Lalla do her thing. 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:16.000 They said, no, no, no, you got to be there 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:18.039 for her. It's a last night. We're going to celebrate. 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:21.960 It's a big party. So I come, I get wasted. 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:24.440 I'm having the time of my life. And by the way, 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:28.200 I bring Emma, Martin Scorsese's partner, so she and she's 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.680 a fan girl of the show. So she's going crazy 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:33.520 taking selfies and we're having the best time. So I 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:37.280 think this is easy. They're focused on you, guys. I'm 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:39.560 over in the corner with Emma drinking, and all of 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:42.000 a sudden, I get a little tap tap and they say, 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:43.479 when will you come over here for a second. We 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:45.080 just need to shoot one little thing with you. I 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:46.760 was like, oh, this is a good bye randal or 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:48.240 something like that, or maybe they want me to eat 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:51.840 a chicken sandwich again. Long story, short, long story, Well, 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:53.600 I was going to order chicken sandwich. I thought they'd 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:55.760 want a slow motion shot. So they bring me over 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.360 and there's James. They say, James wants to say something. 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:01.120 You know. I'm like, these fucking people are good. They 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:04.279 are so but but having said that, now I'm going 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:07.960 to be the serious side. James was sober, and he 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:10.720 came over to me and he was beyond sincere and 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:13.360 very genuine, and it was so endearing and he said, 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:15.960 you know, I want to apologize for all the things 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:18.559 I said and did. It wasn't in my right state. 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:21.919 It doesn't make it okay. I will you, you know, 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:24.800 forgive me. And I said, dude, that is such a 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.560 big step and a big so big of you to 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.120 do that. Of course I am. I know my fiance, 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:32.359 you know, and you are very good friends, and I 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:35.640 want to have the same friendship. And the fact that 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:40.120 you did this is so honorable and I I forget, 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:42.479 know and I forgive. And you know what since then, 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:46.279 he since he's been our podcast and we text each 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.160 other here and there, and it's like, you know what, 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:51.520 he has come so far, and you know, life is 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:54.440 about forgiveness. You know we've done We've forgiven each other 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:57.680 for shit, and we forgive people for doing things to 0:05:57.760 --> 0:05:59.919 us that maybe, you know, aren't the kindness. And at 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.200 the end of the day, I'm glad I went to 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:05.000 that party. I'm glad I went to that final taping 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:07.960 or filming, whatever you call it. And it was very sweet. 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:10.279 And I watched the episode, which I don't watch a lot, 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:13.880 you know, and the ending was exciting. It was like 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:18.320 music and that exit and Jackson Lisa going at it. 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:19.559 I loved it. 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:22.960 We broke the fourth wall on vander Pump Rules, Like 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.800 Jax goes crazy and he's talking to Lisa vander Pump 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:28.520 and he's like, this is my show, and she just 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:32.680 was like, oh, it's your show, vander Pump Rules, that's 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:36.000 my name. Like it was crazy. It was amazing, the 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:40.599 first finale episode I've ever like got intery. 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:42.480 Oh when you watched it. 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:43.880 Yeah, I thought it was really sweet. 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.080 I loved it. I love the music. I loved how 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:48.560 each person or each couple kind of or each cast 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:49.360 member walked out. 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:51.880 Hold on. I have a really fun fact though. So 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:55.839 that night, Danica gets into a little scuffle with like 0:06:56.000 --> 0:07:01.080 this new person that hooked up with Max. Her name's Kara, 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:05.839 and Danica shoves Kara, and Danica spills her wine on 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:10.800 my outfit okay, And in the interview process, they wanted 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.679 me to talk about the outfit because in their mind 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:15.440 it was like some fabulous outfit. 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:15.800 Okay. 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:17.360 I was like, I'm not going to talk about it 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:19.800 because that outfit costs me all of like maybe a 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:22.600 hundred bucks for the whole thing, So like we're not 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:25.560 talking about no big deal, you know. The throat in 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:30.480 the wash. It's all good exactly like I come. I'm 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:34.280 a pretender. People think I'm a bougie bitch, but hell no, 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:37.760 I am scrolling the internet for a good deal. What's happening? 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:38.240 Sorry? 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:43.160 Wow, Randall, are you for real? 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:45.840 No? I was trying to do something. 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:53.840 Pull it together. Yeah, hold on, get it to the chorus. 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:54.440 It's coming. 0:07:56.080 --> 0:08:03.280 Turn it to the chorus. It's coming, It's coming. We 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:23.560 free hold. I wait for every young boom. You know that. 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:34.240 The best day your glasses, Hi, this one's for you 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:38.079 soon night, dude. 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:40.600 It did make me happy. It did make me happy. 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:46.119 You know what, we are fucking young, wild and free man. Yeah, well, 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:49.600 we may have birthdays that make us older. You guys 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:52.720 are young, You're young, wild and free. To age is 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.520 just a number. I don't believe in celebrating a birthday 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:57.480 to be like a year older. It's like, no, we're 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.559 celebrating this day because without it, I will an exist. 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:01.840 I got to tell you eight years. 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:03.240 So you're freaking welcome. 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.199 You know eight years you were on this show so far? 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.600 Only five I've completed five seasons. 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.679 But the show eight years what an epic run so far? 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:11.720 And I know you guys are going to go into 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:13.920 your ninth season, so I get I got to give 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:14.559 you this episode. 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:16.240 I love that you said you know that we're going 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:18.240 into our ninth season, because we don't know that yet. 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:20.400 But put it into the universe. I speak it. 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:24.440 I know you are good, not if when when your 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:26.200 ratings are good, you're going another season. 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.720 It was definitely epic, and you know, the just the 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:32.680 cast when I watch them. Some like to blame editing, 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:35.960 which is fine, but it's like if we all just 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.760 looked five star like, we wouldn't be eight seasons in, 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.959 you know, so just be like, thanks for making a 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:44.880 great scene, even though I look like an asshole. Put 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.839 it out. Mention it all, mention it all. 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:51.680 Oh you got the hands up fire today? Holy shit, 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:53.720 I am Yesterday you were like in a hole. Today 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:55.440 you're like, boom, she's away. 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:58.600 Boom baby, Bring on the virtual reunion. I'm about to 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:01.560 slay these hosts. Just kidding a lot at the reunion. Okay, 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:03.640 I cried a lot, a lot of apologies. 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:08.640 O question, what was your favorite moment of vander Pump 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:12.240 this season and your worst moment of vander Pump this season? Oh, 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:15.320 by the way, don't feel like any pressure to say 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:16.600 me being on the show, but go ahead. 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.840 That was definitely a highlight. Having you on the show 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:21.840 was a highlight because we got to hang out all summer. 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:23.600 It was awesome, which usually we don't get to do that. 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.520 But I think that, yeah, what else besides me, I'm 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:28.760 gonna get cheesy again. I think the highlight of this 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:33.440 season was just being so clear and aware and waking 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:35.840 up and not feeling guilty about anything I had done, 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:39.360 you know, being sober. Completing a season of reality TV, 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.000 which can be a nightmare. I completed that shit. 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:44.680 Sober and I give you mad props for that. 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:45.520 Thank you, babe. 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.080 I agree with you and I support that answer. I 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:51.160 love it. And what was the what was the worst moment? 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:53.600 Because I don't even know what your worst moment was, 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:54.839 So what was the worst moment? 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:58.760 The worst moment was the way I treated Raquel, for sure, 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:01.880 Like there are a few things that when I watch 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:06.200 I'm like, don't regret it that it was like, oh, 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:11.560 can someone please muzzle you? Like you know, but it 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:15.640 is what it is like again silver Lining. People were entertained. 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:17.640 They had an opinion whether it was good or bad. 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:19.320 People had an opinion. 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.199 By the way, that's what makes you, in my opinion, 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:24.720 why your show is so successful is all of you 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:29.240 have this thing that happens and then everybody just you know, 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:32.920 has an opinion because you drive people and what you 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:33.480 guys do. 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:36.480 Yeah, when people when people write me crazy DMS, they're like, 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:40.080 I can't believe you acted that way, all I send 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:44.280 back is thank you so much for watching me. I like, 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:47.680 for real, without you wouldn't be eight seasons in just 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:48.920 saying yeah, you know. 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:51.960 Well, I think the fact that you I have never 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:56.240 seen you have such conflict right over the years I've 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:58.920 been with you, where yeah, that's such conflict and it 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:03.080 be resolved and such amicable and quick way. Like normally 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:07.040 back in the old days, hence, you know, pre sober, 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:11.120 you would just assassinate the world, continue to assassinate, blow 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:13.720 it up three more times, and then eventually start repairing. 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:15.600 Now I see you. 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:18.079 Now what I would do is blow things up. Tornadoes 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:20.320 come through AK forty sevens, and then I'd look behind 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:23.199 me and be like, why is everyone so sad and upset? 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:28.360 But now but now you handle things so gracefully. I 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:30.640 really give you a lot of props, like something will happen, 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:32.600 and then you'll you'll get home and you'll be like, 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:36.120 you know, I feel bad and I really, you know, 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:39.280 didn't want to do that, and and blah blah blah, 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:41.880 and then you and then on your own, like without 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:45.000 cameras there, I see you sending text saying, look, I 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:47.840 really don't feel that way, and I'm sorry that I 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:50.040 said something. It's just very jack cat. 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.559 My cast members are not just my cast members, that's 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.240 my that's my LA family, Like I love them so much, 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:57.320 and I know that we're all always going to go 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:00.520 toes with each other because we're all very strong foreronalities. 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:02.560 When you go toes, what does it mean exactly? 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:05.960 Step up, bitch? Oh go toes? Toe to toe? Baby. 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:09.360 So if I'm in a meeting at a studio talking 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:11.120 about a movie and the guy's pissing me off on 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:13.160 a deal, can I be like, let's go to toes, bitch, 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.079 I'm just asking you can. 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:19.280 Yeah, but. 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:22.320 Right because you have done that. 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:26.760 Though, when I say let's go toes, if I know 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.320 that that person really is a fighter, like I don't 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:31.719 want to do it. I'm a very fast runner, like. 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:35.480 Let's fight the words, you'll back down, you are. 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:37.760 You kidding me? Do I look like someone who's gonna 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:38.559 punch anybody? 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:39.840 So just tell me one thing. 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:41.440 I am a classy bitch. 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.360 Oh okay, just tell me one thing. Then tell me 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:46.560 one thing. So in the four years when I've got 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.040 toes with you, I'll give you a never back down. 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:53.080 Oh the drink. The drink is like like the battery, 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:55.800 you know, the the drink is like a battery, the 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:59.320 little fucking engine that could. We're getting up the hill. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.280 But you know it's funny. I talk shit and you're 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:05.240 you are a fighter. I pushed in the wrong direction, 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:06.440 but you know what, at the end of the day, 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:08.400 you are way more of a lover than a fighter, 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:10.840 way more, way more. 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:14.640 Of course, I always say like, I hate confrontation, but 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:19.520 I'm extremely good at it. You professional professional. So I'm 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:24.120 excited for our guest today though, because he I'm gonna 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:25.760 be honest. I looked at his resume and was like, 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:29.840 am I up for this challenge? Like he's, you know, 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:33.160 graduating from Columbia, And I'm like, have you ever heard 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:35.920 of slick like Sally Community College? Up in this bitch? 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:40.160 Two years? Oh shit, don't be rude. I attempted. 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:41.640 You know, if I would have known this when I 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:43.360 met you, I might have diverted. 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:46.440 And then I got all the credits I needed to 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:48.120 transfer to the University of Utah. 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.640 University hardly did you go for one day? 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:53.600 I went for like a month, and I was like 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:57.360 going through from one class to the other in the snow, 0:14:57.400 --> 0:14:59.680 and I like literally was like, what am I doing? 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:00.360 You a work? 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:03.360 Hate this and literally went home and was like, Mom, 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:04.480 by the way, I'm moving to LA. 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:06.480 Can't give you a word advice? Tell me from now 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:08.600 when we lead in about your education, can you just 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:10.840 start with the University of View talents and pretend the 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:12.120 community college thing to happen. 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:16.400 This is who I am. Randall shit, like, are you crazy? 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:17.160 Why would I ever? 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:18.400 I thought you went to Harvard? 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:25.160 Don't I act like it didn't sound like it. 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:29.160 They So we have Ben Mankowitz, who is the host 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:32.760 of Turner Classic Movies Channel, the host of screen Time 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:37.040 segment on CBS Sunday Morning show. His grants. He's his 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:40.280 grand sorry, his father was a press secretary to Senator 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:43.600 Bob Kennedy. I mean, this guy is loaded to the girls. 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:45.800 Now I'm gonna say something. I don't get impressed. That 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.880 easily takes a lot at my old age, right, this 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:52.640 guy is impressive. And by the way, this and I 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:55.000 want to tell you, Lala, what really is putting us 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:58.360 to the test? This this next guest. This isn't like 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:00.480 a movie guy that I can just kind of like 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:02.560 sit back and have a cigar. Or it's not a 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:04.600 cast memory or is that you could just sit back 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.800 and spill the tea as you say this dude, This 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:09.760 dude is the real shit. 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.400 So we're not only not only is he like epic 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:15.280 in his family Randall, you're such a rookie. When Ben 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:16.920 gets on the line, you better mute your phone. 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.760 Okay for real. But this is what I want to 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:22.640 say about this guest. I feel like this like the 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:26.280 network threw this guest on us to see are we 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:30.760 ready for the next level? Yeah? Because if we fucked 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:33.960 this up, we have to go back to what we 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:36.320 know and we can never get outside our comfort zone. 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:38.280 But if we crush this and I want, I want 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:41.240 your fans and my three fans to write in after 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.320 this episode and tell us did we handle ourselves in 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.640 a professional, engaging manner or did we flop? And we 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:48.720 need to go back to what we. 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:52.040 All try try to make the criticism constructive. I don't 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:54.880 really respond well to people telling me I suck. 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:57.400 You know, well, just give us advice, like did we 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:01.840 handle ourselves? Well, we're did we ask intriguing questions? Was 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:06.600 or were we boring and dismal? Right? 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:08.359 I don't think that's ever going to be a problem. 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:10.680 So let's take a short break, and when we get back, 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:20.560 we have Ben Mancowitz. I won't lie. Our guest is 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:25.200 someone I read your resume, Ben, and I am extremely intimidated, 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.040 and I don't get intimidated by many things. We have 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:31.879 Ben Mancowitz on our podcast today. 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:35.360 Yes, I'm freaking and you're the man I just want 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.720 to say. He is host of the new TCM podcast 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:40.479 The Plot Thickens, about the life and career of one 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:44.480 of my favorite most epic directors, Peter Bugdanovich. This is 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:46.760 the coolest thing ever. I just want to know, Ben, 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:49.600 how do you even come up with the idea to 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:52.280 do that? Because now I want to go do a 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:55.320 podcast about every epic director I've ever loved. So can 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:57.640 you just tell us, like how that even started? 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:00.160 Well, many of them, of course, have lives that are 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.960 worthy of being chronicled. But first of all, Peter and 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:06.040 I were friends, and I like Peter. The first time 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.760 I met him, as I tell the story in the podcast, 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:11.200 I think in episode one, I was very nervous when 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:13.399 I first met Peter. It was in an event I 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.800 think in twenty twelve or thirteen in Toronto where we 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:21.040 in advance to the TCM Festival. We did some events 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:25.280 around the country, and so I was in Toronto with Peter. 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:27.320 We weren to screen the Last Picture Show. And because it's 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:30.600 Peter Bogdanovitch the same reason that you admire him, I 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:34.520 was nervous. This guy. He is an encyclopedia of classic movies, 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:37.359 and I just thought, you know, you know, the way 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:39.840 all of us are frequently where you sort of think 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.440 that you've perpetrated your any success you've had in life 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:45.480 is because you've perpetrated some great fraud. And I thought 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:49.080 he'd see right through me. But he had a cold, 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:52.760 pretty bad cold, and he was sniffling and drinking hot 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:55.600 tea at this bar we met in a hotel, and 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:58.840 you know, it just humanized him instantly, and he made 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:02.600 some joke and then Sybil Shepherd, who he hasn't been 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:06.560 linked to romantically since nineteen seventy nine, called him to 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:08.520 check on Hi because she was worried about him traveling 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:10.800 with a WOW And I was like, oh, listen, this 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:13.760 guy's he's still friends with his ex and he's got 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:17.760 a cold just like me. And that began a friendship. 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:19.920 And then so there's a long way of answering your question. 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:23.560 Peter did all these wonderful interviews with classic film directors Hitchcot, 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:27.399 john Ford, Orson Wells, Howard Hawk's, many others, including dating 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:30.440 back to the Silent era before he became a director, 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:32.760 when he was a film writer, a very good one 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:36.360 wrote for Esquire magazine, Most Freak Wow, and he compiled 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:38.600