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Speaker 1: Well, hello, gorgeous, we are back at it again.

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Speaker 2: Give them la la with rample.

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Speaker 1: Dude, exciting things today.

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, it is a season finale. Vander

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Speaker 2: Pomp has happened. Yes, it's over. Let's just take a

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Speaker 2: minute and celebrate that. You just rock twenty episodes of

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Speaker 2: vander Pump Rules. Yes, yes, Okay, Now I'm gonna interview

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Speaker 2: you for a second. Okay, how do you feel about

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Speaker 2: your season?

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Speaker 1: I feel absolutely epic. You don't, yeah, because like you know,

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Speaker 1: here's the thing, and I'm going to really make this

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Speaker 2: You get the hands up, so I definitely think it's

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Speaker 1: For me, vander Pump Rules is very much real life, correct,

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Speaker 1: that's our real lives correct. However, the show is one

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Speaker 1: hour long. It is a produced show. So for me,

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Speaker 1: when I have my freakouts or my meltdowns, or I

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Speaker 1: have a really great scene, like however I feel about it,

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Speaker 1: I disconnect because I'm like, if I take this home

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Speaker 2: No, first of all, we'll back up years before when

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Speaker 2: we first started dating. You did take this shit home

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Speaker 2: with you, and it was World War three. Right, what

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Speaker 2: I'm most proud of is that it really is your

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Speaker 2: real life and it kind of all blends together. But

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Speaker 2: I think that when you have tough scenes where it

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Speaker 1: Now, well, you have to. And when I watch it,

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Speaker 1: Like we did a great job. You know. That's how

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Speaker 1: you have to look at it. Are you gonna freak out?

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Speaker 2: Well, now that Astas calls me a Bravo leberty, I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna say that I just had a season vander promp

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Speaker 2: my first scene coming out of the gate how to

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Speaker 2: me look like I am the only person eating at

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Speaker 2: that dinner when I had a double chicken.

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Speaker 1: Sandap Oh, wow, you're really throwing it back to like

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Speaker 2: I only had like two episodes the whole season, so

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Speaker 2: let me just revel in my one. First of all,

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Speaker 2: I didn't order two chicken fucking sandwiches. And second of all,

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Speaker 2: I'll order two more again. And by the way, y'all

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Speaker 2: ate two? Why was it only me? Why was it

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Speaker 1: Because it's because it's entertaining, Like that scene there memes about.

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Speaker 2: It, there's like slow motion to be eating chicken sandwiches.

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Speaker 1: Which keep in mind, I ordered like five dishes. Right wait, wait,

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Speaker 1: by the way, you when I know production is paying,

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Speaker 2: Off the way you you jacks, you Jacks and Brittany

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Speaker 2: sandwich heater. It's bunch of bullshit. I also want to

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Speaker 1: Very Yeah, why are you asking me how I feel

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Speaker 1: I literally told everybody that will never happen.

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Speaker 2: Never the way I told everybody will never happen.

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Speaker 1: And not only did it happen, your manipulator, absolutely, I

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Speaker 2: And you also you also gave me that bullshit when

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Speaker 2: But I will tell you I didn't film a lot.

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Speaker 2: Now, hold on a second. I got trapped. They call

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Speaker 2: They said, no, no, no, you got to be there

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Speaker 2: It's a big party. So I come, I get wasted.

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Speaker 2: I said and did. It wasn't in my right state.

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Speaker 1: We broke the fourth wall on vander Pump Rules, Like

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Speaker 2: Oh when you watched it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was really sweet.

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Speaker 2: I loved it. I love the music. I loved how

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Speaker 1: Hold on. I have a really fun fact though. So

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Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not going to talk about it

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Speaker 1: the wash. It's all good exactly like I come. I'm

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Speaker 1: a pretender. People think I'm a bougie bitch, but hell no,

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Speaker 1: I am scrolling the internet for a good deal. What's happening?

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Speaker 2: Sorry?

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Speaker 1: Wow, Randall, are you for real?

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Speaker 2: No? I was trying to do something.

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Speaker 1: Pull it together. Yeah, hold on, get it to the chorus.

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Speaker 2: It's coming.

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Speaker 1: Turn it to the chorus. It's coming, It's coming. We

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Speaker 3: The best day your glasses, Hi, this one's for you

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Speaker 3: soon night, dude.

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Speaker 1: It did make me happy. It did make me happy.

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Speaker 1: You know what, we are fucking young, wild and free man. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 2: I got to tell you eight years.

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Speaker 1: So you're freaking welcome.

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Speaker 2: You know eight years you were on this show so far?

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Speaker 1: I love that you said you know that we're going

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Speaker 1: But put it into the universe. I speak it.

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Speaker 2: I know you are good, not if when when your

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Speaker 1: It was definitely epic, and you know, the just the

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Speaker 1: you know, so just be like, thanks for making a

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Speaker 2: Oh you got the hands up fire today? Holy shit,

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Speaker 2: I am Yesterday you were like in a hole. Today

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Speaker 1: Boom baby, Bring on the virtual reunion. I'm about to

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Speaker 1: I cried a lot, a lot of apologies.

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Speaker 2: O question, what was your favorite moment of vander Pump

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Speaker 2: this season and your worst moment of vander Pump this season? Oh,

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Speaker 2: by the way, don't feel like any pressure to say

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Speaker 1: That was definitely a highlight. Having you on the show

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Speaker 1: This is who I am. Randall shit, like, are you crazy?

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Speaker 1: So we're not only not only is he like epic

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm freaking and you're the man I just want

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Speaker 1: career when you, you know, started as the reporter and anchor

435
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Speaker 1: for w c SCTV and Charleston, Like, when did you

436
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Speaker 1: realize that news journalism wasn't really what you wanted to do? Well?

437
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Speaker 2: You know, first of.

438
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Speaker 4: All, I grew up a Jewish kid in Washington, DC,

439
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 4: you know, in sort of a middle class to upper

440
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,159
Speaker 4: middle class upbringing. And you're like, well, I guess I

441
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 4: go to law school. That's what we do, doctor, I'm

442
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,959
Speaker 4: a jew from Miami. Well that was or lawyer? Yeah, doctor,

443
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:03,679
Speaker 4: there was no chance of that.

444
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 2: I did not.

445
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 4: I thought, you know, you can sort of you know,

446
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 4: I have these images of me in front of a jury,

447
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 4: and I'm like, well, I can try to be charming

448
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 4: in front of a jury, but you can't, like be

449
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 4: charming in front of a ruptured spleen. Like I'd actually

450
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 4: have to know what I was talking about. So but

451
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 4: I wasn't really into that, And and my you know

452
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 4: father was in politics and the media, and and you

453
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Speaker 4: know he'd sort of been a pre bitnot sort of.

454
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Speaker 4: He was press secretary to Robert Kennedy.

455
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Speaker 2: Oh, Ben, Ben, Ben, real quick, Yeah, I heard that.

456
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 1: He just dropped you.

457
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Speaker 2: But Ben, let me tell you something, the fact that

458
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Speaker 2: your father was a press secretary to the center of Robert Kennedy.

459
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Speaker 2: Just explain what that was like for a minute, please,

460
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Speaker 2: because that's that's epic. Epic. Yeah.

461
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Speaker 4: Well, first of you know, my dad he died six

462
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Speaker 4: five and a half years ago and he was ninety

463
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Speaker 4: and he led this. He wrote a book called so

464
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 4: As I was saying because everything every story my dad

465
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 4: told is like in the middle of a story, like

466
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 4: he would starting expect you to He's like, you got

467
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 4: to have to catch up, like I.

468
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Speaker 2: And so I met.

469
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Speaker 4: But that helped me tell the Peter story. That helps

470
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Speaker 4: me in interviews, right, I mean I and it helped

471
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Speaker 4: sort of. It helped me even though I'm talking a

472
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Speaker 4: lot now. It helped me be a really good listener,

473
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Speaker 4: which is definitely a strength that I have when I

474
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Speaker 4: do these interviews. But the so he was in the

475
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Speaker 4: he was my dad was the Latin American director of the

476
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Speaker 4: Peace Corps first Latin American Director of the Peace Corps.

477
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Speaker 4: And he met Senator Kennedy first in a phone call

478
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Speaker 4: when the Senator was going to come down to Peru

479
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Speaker 4: and sort of figure out what was wrong with American

480
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Speaker 4: foreign policy in Latin American, and he got this itinerary

481
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Speaker 4: to like, you know, go to the American language school

482
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Speaker 4: and go to a party at the you know, at

483
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Speaker 4: the ambassador's house, and tour the embassy. And my dad

484
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 4: spoke up and he was like, yeah, look, man, you

485
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 4: could do that from Washington, Like that doesn't matter. You

486
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 4: want to meet striking you know, vegetable pickers, right, and

487
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Speaker 4: you want to go through the barrios of people living

488
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Speaker 4: in incredible poverty in Lima. And my dad was like,

489
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Speaker 4: who's this guy? And said, can I meet you? I'm

490
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Speaker 4: flying into Panama, come meet me. Who's gonna land in

491
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Speaker 4: Panama to refuel like two thirty in the morning.

492
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Speaker 2: Oh.

493
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Speaker 4: So my dad went to Panama to meet him and

494
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Speaker 4: they met for like three hours, and Hannity was like, look,

495
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Speaker 4: whenever you're done here, come work for me.

496
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Speaker 2: Come on.

497
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, if you knew my dad, you would

498
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 4: know that story is that makes total sense. He was

499
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Speaker 4: just my dad was always the smartest person in the room,

500
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Speaker 4: and I wow, other people thought that too, So he

501
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Speaker 4: hired him. He was the press secretary in the Senate

502
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Speaker 4: and then he ran for president and then famously you

503
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Speaker 4: can see my father announcing the senator's death after he

504
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 4: was when he was murdered.

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Speaker 2: So I have a question, So growing up with a

506
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Speaker 2: father who was the press secretary, I mean, did you

507
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Speaker 2: grow up going to the White House like it was

508
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Speaker 2: like a regular thing.

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Speaker 4: No, of course, all know the uh no, because as

510
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Speaker 4: soon as I was of age, Richard Nixon.

511
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Speaker 2: Was in the White House.

512
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Speaker 4: Oh, my dad very famously was on the White House

513
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Speaker 4: enemies List, something he was very proud of till this wow,

514
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Speaker 4: till the day he died. He wrote two really good

515
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Speaker 4: books on Nixon. His first book was the bestseller, was

516
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Speaker 4: called Perfectly Clear. And then after Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon,

517
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Speaker 4: my father wrote a book about what the prosecution of

518
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Speaker 4: Nixon would have looked like.

519
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Speaker 1: Oh, my god was blown. So then, with you know

520
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Speaker 1: your dad and what he was doing in his accomplishments,

521
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Speaker 1: did you ever feel pressure to be on that same path?

522
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Speaker 1: Did he kind of pushed that onto you in any way.

523
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Speaker 4: So my dad was as good a dad as you

524
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Speaker 4: can get. So he never he never pushed anything onto me.

525
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Speaker 4: He was great, he was supportive. I was a huge

526
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Speaker 4: sports fan. He was as he was. He was very

527
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Speaker 4: you know, I wanted to go into sports, you know,

528
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Speaker 4: when it became clear I couldn't play, I wanted to

529
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Speaker 4: be as you know, like a baseball broadcaster.

530
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Speaker 2: That was sort of but.

531
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Speaker 4: I was shy, and so it was hard for me

532
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Speaker 4: to sort of do that. I'd go to ball games

533
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Speaker 4: and sit up in the you know, behind home plate,

534
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Speaker 4: way up in the top deck, and I you know,

535
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 4: broadcast games into a.

536
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 1: Tape recorder, and oh I love this.

537
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Speaker 4: So and then my dad was president of National Public

538
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Speaker 4: Radio two for six years. So journalism was just sort

539
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Speaker 4: of in my blood. My brother is twelve years older

540
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 4: than I am. He's a correspondent for Dateline NBC. And

541
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Speaker 4: so my brother sort of taught me how to be

542
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 4: on TV and you know, how to do all these things.

543
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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, he taught me how to be

544
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Speaker 4: a reporter, which I was first. And so eventually when

545
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Speaker 4: I sort of got and became less shy, I just

546
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Speaker 4: sort of thought, well I try and I'll try and

547
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 4: do what my brother does. But politics was always super

548
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 4: important to me also because I grew up with I

549
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 4: grew up in DC, and I grew up where in

550
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 4: a family where were very prominent, and they just they mattered.

551
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 4: They weren't like, they weren't a game. They were about

552
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 4: the future of country, of the country and making people's

553
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Speaker 4: lives better. Like That's how it always seemed to me.

554
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 4: So I never had this cynical view of politicians. I

555
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 4: thought the people who many of the people who served most.

556
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Speaker 4: And I think it's still true. Most of the people

557
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 4: who serve they get.

558
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: Into it because they they want to change the world.

559
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, because my dad ran George McGovern's campaign in nineteen

560
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 4: seventy two, and so you know, Robert Kennedy and George

561
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 4: mc govern with these sort of like these were guys

562
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 4: who were in it for the right reasons.

563
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Speaker 1: You know, Wow, it's really amazing to hear all of

564
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: these things. And then you know, you say, Ben, like, no,

565
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: there was no pressure, way could do it. You know,

566
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: like it's pretty insane. You would think coming from that background,

567
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: that there would be tremendous pressure on you to kind

568
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: of stay on the same path. I think that's really beautiful.

569
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 4: Well okay, so now you think it won't be beautiful my.

570
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: Dad, Okay, just spill the tea. Spill the tea.

571
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 4: My dad put note pressure on. But you know, he's

572
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 4: the person I admired most. And you know, boys who

573
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 4: love their dads and admire their dads want to impress

574
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 4: like him. I want to impress him. And the way

575
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 4: to impress him was to try and be as smart

576
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 4: as he is. And so eventually you just give up, like, okay,

577
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 4: he loves me anyway, that's good, but I can't fight

578
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 4: this back. I can't do it. So there was enormous pressure.

579
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 4: You know, my grandfather and my great uncle they you know,

580
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 4: won Oscars for you know, my grandfather wrote Citizen Kane and.

581
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 2: Okay, it's away fen so Ben, you know what, But

582
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 2: you know, I'm a movie nerd. Obviously I've produced a

583
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: lot of films. So I read I read this, Just

584
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 2: just take a beat on that he co wrote Citizen Kane.

585
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 2: Come on, I mean that's I mean for me, that

586
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 2: would thrust me into like movie anxiety at the highest level.

587
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 2: Did you like, what was the takeaway you got being around,

588
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: you know, this family that has epic oscars and you know,

589
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 2: writer Citizen Kane, the greatest movie of all time period.

590
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: Did you get anything out of, you know that, that relationship? Yeah,

591
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: of course.

592
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, it's weird because my dad was this,

593
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 4: you know, mythic figure to me. But again it was

594
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 4: totally normal, dude. I mean, you know, but my so,

595
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 4: my grandfather, who Sherman Manglho by the way, wrote Citizen Kane,

596
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 4: didn't co write it. I know that it says he

597
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,239
Speaker 4: co wrote it, but he okay, I the uh so

598
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 4: the uh that was a you know, source of great controversy,

599
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 4: the writing credit for that. Whether it's my grandfather's Orson Wellson,

600
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 4: oh my, but it's.

601
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: A fun story about that.

602
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: We deal with that every hour.

603
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 4: And by the way, Peter's on the other side, Bogdanovitch,

604
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 4: So that's a fun conversation for me and Peter to

605
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 4: have a good natured conversation. And by the way, just

606
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 4: real quick, doesn't matter. It's Orson Wells's movie, and nobody

607
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 4: should mistake that one hundred percent his movie. He just

608
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 4: didn't write, right, this is great, you know, but like

609
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 4: you know, it's like saying that, you know, I mean

610
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 4: Martin Scorsese. He didn't write screenplay for The Irishman, but

611
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 4: that's a Martin Scorsese movie, and nobody should doubt that

612
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 4: for a second. So the Hollywood part of the family

613
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 4: I knew about, of course, but it didn't mean anything

614
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 4: to me. The politics part mattered. I came out to

615
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 4: La I think when I was twenty one, like before

616
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 4: my senior year of college, and a cousin of mine

617
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 4: who's also a Mankowitz, but he doesn't have the same

618
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 4: last name. I went to a party with him and

619
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Speaker 4: I got introduced to the coast of the party because

620
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Speaker 4: he was like, I brought my cousin, he's out here,

621
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Speaker 4: you know, Ben Mankowitz, and the guy I put his

622
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 4: heels together and bowed and said Hollywood Royalty. And I

623
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 4: literally I just remember thinking, is like, you know, Larry

624
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 4: Spielberg behind me, like what.

625
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: About you know?

626
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 4: So it just was then I was like, oh, like,

627
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 4: I mean, of course I knew it. We have you know,

628
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 4: Joe Maco, who's one of the great writer directors of

629
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 4: all time, and Herman's brother, my great uncle, and and

630
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 4: other cousins who you know, my cousin Tom Mancowitz, you

631
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 4: know wrote three Bond movies, Superman one and two. But

632
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 4: I didn't know that it like to the people who

633
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 4: love movies, right, that it mattered to them like that,

634
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 4: and so and that was nice, of course, you know.

635
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 4: But so yeah, there's pressure to make sure you're not

636
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 4: the You're not the one in the family who.

637
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: Faltered fault right, who screws it up.

638
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 4: You're the You're the one who didn't. He didn't get

639
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 4: that gene, you know.

640
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: I I think I think hosting uh the uh Turner

641
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: Classic Movies Channel and doing all the different things that

642
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: you do far exceeded all of those, you know, expectations

643
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 2: on you. We're gonna cut to a quick break then,

644
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: and we're gonna come right back to talk to you about.

645
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: We are back my Loves with Ben Mankowitz. You're super legendary.

646
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: I'm just listening to you. My mind is blown. And

647
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: I'm actually really curious because Randall just said earlier, you know,

648
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Speaker 1: like he's over here making movies and then he sees

649
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: you know that you come from a line of family

650
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Speaker 1: that's I don't know, just writing citizens Kane, Do you

651
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Speaker 1: have any interest in ever directing or producing films?

652
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Speaker 4: I have some you know, I'm not a director, and

653
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 4: I'm really appreciative of the I love artists, man, and

654
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 4: I you know, admire what they do. I'm not I

655
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 4: would never be a director. First of I don't. I

656
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 4: don't really think visually, guys. Wife, you could literally hang

657
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 4: a new painting or poster in front of me in

658
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 4: my home office and nine months later I'll be like,

659
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 4: when'd you put that up? It's ten feet from your face,

660
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,719
Speaker 4: and I put it up in twenty eighteen. But I'm

661
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 4: not a bad writer, and you know, a storyteller, So

662
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 4: I mean, if I ever got the courage, it would

663
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 4: probably be to right. And you know, producing, I love

664
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 4: that producing can mean ten billion things. I have come

665
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 4: to meet some producers who are so hands on. I mean,

666
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 4: I you know Irwin Winkler, of course, who you know

667
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 4: worked on the on the Irishman, and but who had

668
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 4: produced you know, some of the Seminals Corsese movies earlier, earlier.

669
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Speaker 2: I've known Irwin forever. I produced. I produced the movie

670
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: that Irwin directed. That's how he met.

671
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Speaker 1: What movie was that Home of the.

672
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Speaker 2: Brave, Home of the Brave? Well, yeah, sure, a while back,

673
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Speaker 2: but that was how I met Irwin yeah, and Irwin

674
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: is uh so like and Irwin. You know, Irwin's not

675
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: the kind of producer who you know, just puts up

676
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: money and then you know, has his name on the credits.

677
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: At least he wasn't.

678
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 4: Then you know producers who who.

679
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 2: Now he's his hands on?

680
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, and and sort of and you protect the director

681
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 4: from the studio that's who have the money, right, That's

682
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 4: a big part of it. And I admire that part too,

683
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 4: and that that has always struck me as something that

684
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 4: but I don't do it. I mean, the fact is

685
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 4: I don't so I you know, I think we have

686
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 4: our answer.

687
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Speaker 2: I don't do it. I have a question. So so

688
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: now we know how you know, TV has become epic

689
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: and huge and really gone to another level today. I'm

690
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: just curious on your take with film versus TV today.

691
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,239
Speaker 2: You know, how do you feel and what are your

692
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: favorite TV shows, if any that you watch?

693
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Speaker 4: I know I watch a lot of television. I mean,

694
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Speaker 4: I've been so busy the last few years that I've

695
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 4: watched less. But I still manage with a you know,

696
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 4: young daughter and fairly busy schedule, which I'm grateful for

697
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 4: to to get a fair amount of shows in. I

698
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 4: love that we're at this sort of you know this,

699
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 4: what is it be third Golden age for for television.

700
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 4: I don't see television and movies competing. I just think

701
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 4: they're all this visual storytelling. And I hope we never

702
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 4: lose the theater experience. I don't think we will. I

703
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 4: think it'll come back. You know, it's going to change

704
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 4: and maybe there won't be as many, but you'll still

705
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 4: be able to go to a theater. It's still a

706
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 4: night out. It's still a social connection, and I think

707
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 4: we all realize now how valuable that is, how much

708
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 4: we miss it. So I think as soon as it's safe,

709
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 4: it will come back. I don't think people will be like,

710
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 4: oh great, I never have to leave my I think

711
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 4: it'll be the opposite. But that's okay. It's also okay

712
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 4: to have movies show up on streaming services. There's no

713
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 4: it's all good. But you know, I mean, I have saved.

714
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 4: I have not watched this season A Better Call Saul.

715
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 4: I wanted to watch it all at once. It became

716
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 4: easier during this to do that because nobody was spoiling

717
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 4: it for me. I love Better Call Saw, I love

718
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Speaker 4: the Americans. I love succession of.

719
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Speaker 2: Our favorite show, our.

720
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Speaker 4: Favorite successions, maybe a top ten. That's season two of

721
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Speaker 4: Succession one of the best seasons.

722
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 2: To tell it was unbelievable, unbelieved.

723
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 4: I watched Homeland, you know, I mean it sort of

724
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 4: run its course, but I watched it all. I watched

725
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 4: you know, Ray Donovan.

726
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: And Billions are are two of my favorite I love.

727
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 4: Well a dollar Bill on bill the great an actor

728
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 4: named Kelly o'coyney's one of my best friends. Oh really, guy, yeah,

729
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 4: and would be a great guest for you guys.

730
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: He would love wait wait, not only hold on, not

731
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Speaker 2: only will I kiss his ass on the show, but

732
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 2: tell him that I am a fan, and if he

733
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Speaker 2: wants to reach out to me through you, I would

734
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Speaker 2: love when he's off the show to put him in

735
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: one of my films. He is. What a great actor,

736
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: What a great actor.

737
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Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys watched The Americans, which is,

738
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,439
Speaker 4: by the way, the show totally worth seeing.

739
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 2: It's great.

740
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Speaker 4: It's not rand on FX, it's done, it's phenomenal. It's

741
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 4: as good as TV can be. And but Kelly played

742
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 4: a character there that is so dramatically different than Dollar Bill,

743
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 4: so it buttresses your point. Kelly is a really skilled actor.

744
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 4: I went to high school with him, were on a

745
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 4: basketball team. He's one of my closest friends.

746
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: Yes, thout my the Americans. That's on the list.

747
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 2: We're going to watch Americans and we have to get

748
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Speaker 2: him in.

749
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Speaker 1: And since we're talking about guests that we should have on,

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Speaker 1: I want to know, Ben, who have been some of

751
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 1: the favorites of yours that you've interviewed this year?

752
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 4: Well this year, I mean obviously Peter. You know that

753
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 4: was fifteen hours of interviews Peter Bogdanovich. Wow, And you know,

754
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 4: interviewing for a podcast where you're trying to get somebody

755
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 4: to sort of tell their life story to take you

756
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 4: through the highest point. You know, he was at the

757
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 4: top of the world nineteen seven. He was Scorsese and

758
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 4: Coppola and Friedkin and Mike Nichols. In the early seventies

759
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 4: he was as big as any of them. And then

760
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 4: he had some flops and people didn't like Peter. He

761
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 4: was perceived as arrogant in part because he was arrogant,

762
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 4: but that's sort of his his his but his arrogance

763
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 4: is like it's the right kind of arrogance in that.

764
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Speaker 2: It's his genius. It's probably his genius, right.

765
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And he's not putting it on. It's sort of

766
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 4: just the way he talks. He doesn't look down on people. Well,

767
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 4: he just he's very smart about the things he knows

768
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 4: and he wants to talk about them. And anyway, he

769
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 4: was he and Sybil were so perfect together and on

770
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 4: the cover of Magazinis and so so his fall was

771
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 4: his fall. Hollywood sort of took lee in his fall.

772
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 4: Billy Wilder, the great director, great writer, director, said I'm

773
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 4: gonna paraphrase it here, but he basically said that, you know,

774
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 4: everyone says that that Hollywood is a splintered town, that

775
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 4: we're all, you know, in this for ourselves and we

776
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 4: never look after each other. He goes, that's nonsense. We

777
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 4: all come together to celebrate a Peter Bogdanovich flop.

778
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

779
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 4: So that's sort of what Peter was up against. And then,

780
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 4: you know, and then is the woman he loved, the

781
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 4: woman who's going to marry, was murdered and he went

782
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 4: into a five year depression, tail spend, lost all his money.

783
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 4: So that's a challenging interview and a great interview. But

784
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Speaker 4: TCM is fort you got.

785
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Speaker 2: No, I just want to say I agree with you.

786
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 2: By the I was just thinking about Hollywood. It's like

787
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: they lift you up, they build you up, they build

788
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: you up, they build you up here the underdog. Once

789
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: you get there, then they want to see you fall.

790
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: And it's just this weird, weird, bad thing. And yeah,

791
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: I hope that through this pandemic that we're in, and

792
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 2: I feel like people really come together and I feel

793
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: like the world is changing for the best. I mean,

794
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 2: I'm an optimist, you know, Ben, So I don't know

795
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: if I'm delusional, but I do feel that people are

796
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: really leaning on each other right now, more than I've

797
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 2: ever seen, you know, versus like a hurricane or a tornado.

798
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 2: You know, maybe they'll come together and then once it's

799
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: kind of gets better, everybody goes back to their regular lives.

800
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 2: This is effect that the entire universe all at the

801
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: same time, and we've never experienced this. So I'm hoping.

802
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: Well, the silver lining is, you know, we have to

803
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: figure out how we can do better.

804
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, Yeah, I hope.

805
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 4: So I'm not as I'm pretty optimistic. We know, we

806
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 4: started talking about my father, and my father's the most

807
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 4: optimistic person in the world. So in a sense, I'm

808
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 4: glad he's not living through the last few years politically

809
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 4: because it would really have distressed him. But I hope

810
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 4: we come back together. I certainly do. Hollywood, though, is

811
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 4: a there's a and I love Hollywood and I love

812
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 4: the people and yeah, I just meet Yeah, I like,

813
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 4: you know, I had this reputation when I came out

814
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 4: to l A about you know, what kind of town

815
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 4: it was going to be, and you know, it's superficial

816
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 4: and that's all horseship.

817
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: I mean it can be and it can like it

818
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,479
Speaker 2: can be and yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

819
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, no, yeah, of course we could have that

820
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 4: idea where, you know, where people celebrate other people's failures.

821
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 4: And there is a slightly weird thing when a friend says, hey, man,

822
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 4: they bought my screenplay that you think, why did they

823
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 4: buy my screenplay?

824
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 2: You know, for an.

825
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 4: Instant that that that's that's sort of unique to LA.

826
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 4: But the flip side is, man, I would you know,

827
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 4: I'd play poker and I'd meet some guy.

828
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 2: Oh, hold on, we're super time out.

829
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: Then you keep dropping things like, you know, Robert Kennedy

830
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: than poker, like your.

831
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know what they call it, semi

832
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: professional poker player. I live for poker. I play on

833
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 2: television on a regular basis up until COVID. I am obsessed.

834
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 2: If you google me, you'll see my poker antics. I

835
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 2: play in the World Series. I go for the entire month,

836
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: play all the events. I live for poker. So if

837
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: you love poker, when I wherever you where are you based?

838
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 2: Oh you're based there? Okay, So when when COVID goes away,

839
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 2: I'm gonna invite you over to my poker game so

840
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: we can hang out and play poker.

841
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 4: You know, by the way, we have the same birthday.

842
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 4: I just want to point that out.

843
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: Oh this is getting better by the minute. This is

844
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: just getting better. We're gonna party together next year, and

845
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: we're gonna have poker together. This is great.

846
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 4: Most of my gambling is a sports gambling. I mean,

847
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 4: I love gambling. I just you know, it's part of mine.

848
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 2: That makes two of us funny, two of.

849
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 4: But you know, you'd go and you so you'd be

850
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 4: I just playing poker with friends and they some friend,

851
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 4: some guy somebody there would bring a guy. And you know,

852
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 4: I met a couple of incredibly successful writer producers on

853
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 4: big s and comedies, and like the whole night he

854
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 4: would you know, the guy would like, never say anything

855
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 4: remotely funny. He tried and I and he didn't seem

856
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 4: and I'd be like, how's this possible? And then the

857
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 4: next week somebody else would come and it's a bartender, right,

858
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 4: and a waiter and a guy working hard to make it,

859
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 4: and I would think, this is the most talented person

860
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 4: I've ever seen in my time, Like, how how is

861
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 4: this guy not? You know? So I love that And

862
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 4: I love meeting creative people. You know, every time I

863
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 4: run into somebody you can make fun of writers at Starbucks,

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Speaker 4: but then you have a conversation with him and it's

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Speaker 4: incredibly interesting. Like I love artists, man, I like being around.

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Speaker 2: I do to not only that, I want to say everyone,

867
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Speaker 2: my guy, oh on, my, my producer Timmy, who was

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Speaker 2: sitting here too. I found him at Starbucks. He was

869
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Speaker 2: a a barista, then he became an intern, then he

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Speaker 2: became an assistant, then he became a junior development executive,

871
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Speaker 2: and now he's the president of the company.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Hollywood dreams come true?

873
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Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: Working at Starbucks one day filmmaker the next So yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course you touched on how your wife sometimes decorates

876
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Speaker 1: your office and you don't notice, which I love that.

877
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Speaker 1: How did you meet this epic woman who was just

878
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Speaker 1: like putting fabulous art in your office.

879
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Speaker 4: We met at the TCM Film Festival, the first ever

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Speaker 4: TCM Film Festival. She was like, she's a big movie fan,

881
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Speaker 4: she loves TCM, and she tried to get she was

882
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Speaker 4: working in the city. She was in New York, and

883
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Speaker 4: she wanted to get a bunch of her girlfriends to

884
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Speaker 4: come out with her to the our first ever film festival.

885
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Speaker 4: And you know, they were like, oh, we don't want

886
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Speaker 4: to go to a film festival black and white movies

887
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Speaker 4: or whatever, whatever dumb thing they said.

888
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Speaker 2: And so she's cool, and.

889
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Speaker 4: She was like she loves architecture too, so she's like,

890
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Speaker 4: screw it, I'm going. So she went herself, why don't

891
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Speaker 4: you take a week a week afterwards in la and

892
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Speaker 4: Palm Springs to tour to just look at great houses,

893
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Speaker 4: look at you know, Frank Lloyd Wright designed houses, and

894
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Speaker 4: like she was just she was like, I'll take a

895
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Speaker 4: ten day vacation by myself. And we met at the festival.

896
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Speaker 4: I had a girlfriend at the time, but we met

897
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Speaker 4: and then you know, I broke up with my girlfriend

898
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Speaker 4: like three months later, and I met Lee Lee again

899
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Speaker 4: then at a TCM event in Atlanta where she was

900
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Speaker 4: with girlfriends and I was hosting some event and we

901
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 4: hung out. And then you know, over the next like

902
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Speaker 4: year and a half, she lived out of town. She

903
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Speaker 4: lived in New York and then moved briefly to Saint

904
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Speaker 4: Louis and we you know, she'd come into town a lot,

905
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Speaker 4: and we'd see each other and it's just sort of

906
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Speaker 4: and then one because again she takes charge. It's like

907
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Speaker 4: two Christmas seasons later, she was like, yeah, I got

908
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Speaker 4: work to let me come to LA for two months.

909
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Speaker 4: I'm going to rent a small little house in LA

910
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Speaker 4: for two months and let's just see how this goes. Wow,

911
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 4: and now we have, you know, dogs and a family

912
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Speaker 4: and a daughter.

913
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Speaker 2: How many years have you guys been together since then?

914
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Speaker 4: So we've been sort of like seeing each other since

915
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Speaker 4: like twenty eleven, and we got married in twenty thirteen.

916
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Speaker 2: Okay, Now I have one other question. You got married

917
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Speaker 2: on a cruise for the same festival, is that or

918
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Speaker 2: explain it?

919
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Speaker 4: The festival is here in LA like at those great

920
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Speaker 4: theaters at the Chinese and the Egyptian sort of in Hollywood.

921
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Speaker 4: That's where were the base at the Roosevelt Hotel. We

922
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Speaker 4: of course had to cancel it this year, but it'll

923
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Speaker 4: be back, you know, hopefully in twenty twenty one. We're

924
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Speaker 4: working on it. So, but that's here, that's where we met.

925
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Speaker 4: But then we also have a cruise and so you know,

926
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Speaker 4: we were seeing each other and we were on the

927
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Speaker 4: cruise and I proposed to her and we thought, oh,

928
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Speaker 4: this will be fun since we met at TCM, like,

929
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Speaker 4: let's get married on the cruise and have you know

930
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Speaker 4: Gavin McLeod marius, you know, and oh wow, and you

931
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Speaker 4: know it wasn't Captain Steuben, but it was. And then

932
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Speaker 4: of course it turns out it turns out you get

933
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Speaker 4: married in the Caribbean on a cruise, it doesn't really count,

934
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Speaker 4: right because.

935
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Speaker 2: You have to have allasis of the piece in the city. Yeah.

936
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Speaker 4: Mostly you have to pay for a marriage license. That's

937
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Speaker 4: what that's what California wants.

938
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Speaker 1: Exactly.

939
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Speaker 4: We came back and got married again, and but do

940
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Speaker 4: we count the real date is that one of the crews.

941
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Speaker 4: That's our anniversary was fun. Robert Wagner, who was a

942
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Speaker 4: guest on the cruise. He walked, he walked my wife

943
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Speaker 4: down the aisle.

944
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Speaker 2: Come on, I mean, you just live. You live. Honestly,

945
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Speaker 2: we are definitely playing poker together. You live the coolest life.

946
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Speaker 2: I'm dead serious. As soon as this shit's over, where

947
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: you're coming to a poker game because I think you

948
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Speaker 2: and I have a lot more in common. Even though

949
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Speaker 2: I am not as highly educated as you, I'm a

950
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Speaker 2: film school education. I definitely can relate to the gambling

951
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Speaker 2: and the fun that I think you are.

952
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Speaker 1: Just the story like I want to come to just

953
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Speaker 1: hear everything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have one last question question. I know you're like,

955
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Speaker 2: you know, you're a phenomenal interviewer and you've interviewed pretty

956
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Speaker 2: much everybody on the planet. What interview tips would you

957
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: give us young ones who are only like twelve episodes in?

958
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Speaker 2: What what? What? What? What?

959
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Speaker 1: What?

960
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 2: What do we need.

961
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: To give used?

962
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 4: So the best thing that I look first of all,

963
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Speaker 4: I paid attention to Howard Stern, David Letterman, and Dan Patrick,

964
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Speaker 4: who I think is actually a really good interview interviewer.

965
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 4: They're all different, but the most important thing, you know,

966
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 4: prepare right, like, don't get caught up because the preparation

967
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 4: helps you, and it helps it also helps them, but

968
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 4: it helps you. You don't need to memorize it. But

969
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 4: when you feel secure that you're not going to get blindsided,

970
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 4: that you're not afraid to figure out how to pronounce

971
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 4: somebody's name or what movies they did or who directed

972
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 4: those movies, it just gives you confidence. It gives you

973
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 4: confidence to then be funny because you're not scared. So

974
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 4: the preparation, it's not so much that you need to

975
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 4: recall what you prepared. It's fine if you can't remember something.

976
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 4: But when I realized that if I prepped and I

977
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 4: felt confident, then when I couldn't think of something, I

978
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 4: didn't have to pretend I could day. You know, when

979
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 4: you were doing oh for crying out loud the Hitchcock

980
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 4: movie with Carrie Grant Ingrid Bergmann had come down the stairs,

981
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 4: you know, you know, and then the person go notorious.

982
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 2: I go right notorious.

983
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 4: Whereas if I weren't prepared, I'd be terrified of that moment.

984
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 2: So it's really just doing your homework, like, really do

985
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: your homework.

986
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 4: So they do two things, Okay, two things real quick,

987
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 4: So yes, do your homework because it lets you be

988
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 4: funny and spontaneous, which you might be afraid to do.

989
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 4: And then secondly, this is obvious, but it's really hard

990
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 4: to do. It took me a long time. Don't worry

991
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 4: about your questions. Think about what you want to ask,

992
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 4: but then just listen. If you're really listening, you will

993
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 4: ask something different. And frequently the best questions are really

994
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,919
Speaker 4: because then there's some personal just because then the person

995
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 4: will just go on or huh, and I didn't know

996
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 4: that really those three things that just gets people talking,

997
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 4: and they like it when people are interested in what

998
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 4: they had to say. And if you avoid the cliches

999
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 4: of in an interview, and don't fake laugh, and don't

1000
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 4: you know these little things. I learned all that stuff

1001
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 4: from being on local TV. And I'd see myself fake laugh.

1002
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,959
Speaker 4: If I recorded a and i'd cringe.

1003
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: I'd be like, you knew it was a fake laugh.

1004
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, that's the time that I pretended super hard, right.

1005
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 4: You could you know you're an ankor you're an anchor

1006
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 4: and the weather person says, you know, you'd say to Sherry,

1007
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 4: you'd be like, you know, our weather person, you know.

1008
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 4: I'd be like Sherry, what's our Sunday looking like? Like,

1009
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 4: why a laughing laugh?

1010
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 2: That's not kidding, I'm kidding. It's not even a joke.

1011
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 2: That's right.

1012
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 4: Well that no, right, My laugh is like now you know,

1013
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 4: because it's so absurd, you know. Okay, Sherry, great stuff,

1014
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 4: thanks you, Thanks for the good weather today.

1015
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: This is good. Honestly, Ben, that is really good advice

1016
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 2: because number one, I need to shut up a lot.

1017
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 2: You can see that, so I'm going to get better

1018
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 2: at that. But two, I do like the preparation because

1019
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: I feel like in the twelve episodes we've done, when

1020
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: we're prepared, baby, we we are really like on point.

1021
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: But we'll be honest though, Ben. Sometimes I'm interviewing, you know,

1022
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: like people on vander Pump Rules, which you probably don't

1023
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: even know. That is easy. When I look at a

1024
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: resume like yours, I'm like, what's my name again?

1025
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like I'm talking to a

1026
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 2: colleague versus having no clue. When we bring on the

1027
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 2: vanderfug people and I'm like, who did you beat the

1028
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: shit out of last episode? I have no clue. So

1029
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: this has actually been really enjoyable, Ben, and very appreciative

1030
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 2: and I'm a huge fan of yours now and we

1031
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 2: could go on for another hour, but they're telling us

1032
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 2: we got to wrap it up, which Ben, is there

1033
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Speaker 2: anything else I can say or or let people know

1034
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 2: where to find you besides the new podcast? Is there

1035
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 2: any other things? Sure?

1036
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Speaker 4: Definitely check out Definitely check out the block thickens. I'm

1037
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Speaker 4: still Peter Bugdanovich. Wherever you get podcasts. We've had four episodes,

1038
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Speaker 4: we got I think the three or three more and

1039
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Speaker 4: you can on Twitter's really the only place I am.

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Speaker 4: Ben MANK seven seven perfect.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Ben, I'm so appreciative your your

1042
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 1: story is epic. Plus you gave us advice. I feel

1043
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: like I should be paying person.

1044
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 2: Thank you, it was fun.

1045
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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me guys.

1046
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Ben.

1047
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Speaker 2: Hi, this is Kim.

1048
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 3: I love, love, love your podcast.

1049
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 2: And just to let Randall know he does have fans

1050
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 2: because he is the number one guy.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, my loves to everyone who has already left

1052
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Speaker 1: us epic messages and keep.

1053
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Speaker 2: Them coming because we love hearing from you. Guys.

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Speaker 1: Call us anytime at eight sixty six La La Pod.

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Speaker 1: That's eight sixty six La La Pod.

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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you for listening.