1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to Move the Sticks, DJ, Bucky 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: back with you, Buck Fun Thursday night, game tonight, looking 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: forward to it. How about you man? Big Time thirteen 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: one combined record between the two teams, the Arizona Cardinals 6 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: and the Green Bay Packers. Maybe we expected the green 7 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: Bay Packers to be sitting here at that point at 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: the top of the division, not on the division, but 9 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: the top of the conference. But the Arizona Cardinals are 10 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: a bit of surprise. And so I think that Mary's 11 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: a deep dive into why the Cardinals are sitting here 12 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: at seven and oh and one of the best teams 13 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: in the league. Yeah, we're gonna do that today. That's 14 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: what we're gonna focus on the episode, just how Steve 15 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: Kimes built this team, some of the decisions they've made, 16 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: and how it's kind of all come together. Maybe some 17 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: things you can learn, um from what they've done. So 18 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a fun discussion today. UM let's just 19 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: jump in first of all, and I want to talk 20 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: about the main decision. I mean the main decision. We've 21 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: discussed it before, but I don't think people appreciate. Uh, 22 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: maybe the courage it took two on Josh Roseen after 23 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: one year make the decision to then trade him, take 24 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray Um and then Kyler Murray. I guess they 25 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: took Kyler Murray then they traded him Um. But two 26 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: not only make a move that I think initially probably 27 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: saved Steve Kim's job because it worked out now it 28 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: could put potentially put a ring on his finger, like 29 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: that's how good this dude is. Look, man, it's It's 30 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 1: one of those things DJ where we UM can talk 31 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: about the quarterback position and we can talk about wanting 32 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: special and elite, and in the draft sometimes it gets clouded, right, 33 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: it gets clouded because you kind of hold into the 34 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: class of players that come out and what's available. But 35 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: the standards should always be high in terms of what 36 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: you're looking for at the position. We can talk about 37 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: a plus talent, um, being able to throw a touch 38 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: time and in anticipation, all those things, but the new 39 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: skills have been athleticism and mobility, running skills. UM did, 40 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: Josh Allen's and the Lamar Jackson's of the world, Russell 41 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: Wilson of the world. Those guys have shown. Then when 42 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: your quarterback has the ability to enhance the running game 43 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: or to extend plays, it just makes it so much 44 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: better for your offense. When now you have an undersized guy, 45 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray by traditional standards, who's entering the league. But 46 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: there's a guy who's drafted as a first round baseball player, 47 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: a legitimate kind of two sport phenomen that can do 48 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: anything and everything that you want to see at the position. 49 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: But he doesn't have traditional traits when it comes to 50 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: the size. And so for the Cardinals to kind of 51 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: step out of traditional thinking and to say no, even 52 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: the right guys they say he's five ten, I'll take 53 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: them at their work, you know, they say he's five ten, 54 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: and those things they were willing to say. Talent wise, 55 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: he gives us everything that we want and even if 56 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: we have to adjust our offense a little bit, we're 57 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: willing to do it because he is so good. All right, 58 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: let's go back. UM. I pulled up my report on Kyler, 59 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: So this is my report on him coming out. Kyler 60 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: Murray is an extremely explosive quarterback prospect. Black's ideal bulk, 61 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 1: height and bulk for the position, extremely quick feet, in 62 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 1: his set up. By the way I posted a place 63 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: of the day, you see that, I've never seen anybody 64 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: his little feet moved soda fast and his drop is ridiculous, 65 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: uh quick feeting the set up bounces on his toes. 66 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: The top of his drop has dynamic arm strength, doesn't 67 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: need to grind his toes into the ground to generate power. 68 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: He's not as accurate as Baker Mayfield, but he flashes 69 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: the touch to layer the ball on occasion, accompanying the 70 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: wow power throws. The majority of his decisions are made 71 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: pre snap. Otherwise he resorts to scrambling around buying time. 72 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: There are examples of him working deeper into progressions, but 73 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: that will still be an adjustment for him at the 74 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: next level. He's an electric runner, using quick, choppy stride 75 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: to eat up ground. I had two major issues early 76 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: on in the evaluation process, but his full time commitment 77 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: to football and surprising bulk at the combine two seven 78 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: pounds helped alleviate those concerns. Overall, I see Murray as 79 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: a solid NFL starting quarterback. So the way that reads, 80 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: he's been even better than than what the report reads 81 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: on Kyler Murray. And you go back to it. Those 82 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: were the concerns coming out as he totally committed to 83 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: football because the baseball thing was kind of out there. 84 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: And then as he built the kind of last you know, 85 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: just from a frame standpoint, don't care about the height 86 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: as much. UM, it was just can he you know, 87 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: he's not built like Russell Wilson was built, so canny 88 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: physically hold up? Those were the questions. No, I mean, 89 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: I think that was everything, Um, that you worried about 90 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: when it came to Cala Murray. Um, you knew the athletics, 91 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: as you knew the arm telling, you knew all those 92 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: skills were there. He just didn't fit the traditional mode. 93 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: And I believe um, and we talked about this. Those 94 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: other guys paved the way for Cala Murray to be 95 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: able to be the number one pick. It started with 96 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: Drew Brees being able to have success as an undersized quarterback. 97 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: When I started scouting, Drew Brees was phenomenal, but we 98 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: couldn't take him in the first round just because he 99 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: didn't hit the mark when it came into the requirements 100 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: at the position. Fast forward the Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson 101 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: the same saw him a n C State SO of Wisconsin, 102 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: fantastic player, played in the pro style system. Leadership, toughness, accuracy, 103 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: all that stuff is what you want, but undersized, so 104 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: he has to go into third round bucket. You then 105 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: see Russell Wilson and Drew Brees have success. They built 106 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: on top of one another. That pays the way for 107 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield to go number one overall. Baker Mayfield has 108 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: a very solid rookie year that now makes it easier 109 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: for the scouting world to get around Kyler Murray and 110 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: view him as the number one overall because we have 111 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: seen a handful of smaller, undersized quarterbacks have success, and 112 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: we could say that talent wise, Kyla Murray's talent is 113 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: at the top end of the guys that we've already mentioned. Yeah, 114 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: I want to get to the rest of this roster 115 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: and how it's constructed. But a couple more things I 116 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: want to hit on Kyler and what makes him so special. Um. 117 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: You know, Drew Brees I think is the true outlier 118 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: because he's an undersized guy who didn't have a big arm. 119 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: When you look at the undersized guys that have had 120 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: success outside of Drew Brees, you know, I think about 121 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: Michael Vick not a real big guy, but had just 122 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: a huge arm. Russell Wilson's got a huge arm. Baker Mayfield, 123 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: as you saw and the hail Mary to the Day 124 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: has got a huge arm. Kyler's got a big arm 125 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: like Those are the smaller guys that have been successful. 126 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: Doug Flutie had a huge arm, you know, for being 127 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: a little guy. Drew. That's what to me makes Drew 128 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: even more impressive. What he's a company, you know, he's 129 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer and set all these records. Um is 130 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,119 Speaker 1: that he he did it at that size without huge 131 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: arm like that. That's what made him so rare. But 132 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: with Kyler, he does a lot of the things that 133 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 1: those other quarterbacks I've mentioned uh do in order to 134 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: uh overcome the maybe the sight line issues you might 135 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: have as an undersized quarterback. So what do you do 136 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: a lot of times say okay, we can move the pocket, 137 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: we can roll the pocket. Well, what Russell Wilson started 138 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: to do was really just gained depth and separation from 139 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. So you will see Kyler when 140 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: they see Blitz, Blitz looks buck, he just he just 141 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: bails out of them. He is going back hits Patrick 142 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: mahomes esk where he's launching from fifteen sixteen yards behind 143 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. But that allows him to get 144 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: away from pressure. It allows him to create distance so 145 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: that he can see that. You've got to have a 146 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: huge arm to be able to operate from back there. Yeah, 147 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: you have to have huge on I mean, you have 148 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: to have a huge arm. And he does have one. 149 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: Baseball background is there. But you do notice there's a 150 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: lot of separation between him and the offensive line when 151 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: he gets to the top of his drop. Part of 152 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: that is because he can't see. He doesn't have the 153 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: traditional site lines, and he needs to get away from 154 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage to be able to make those 155 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: reads and to make those throws that we see taller 156 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: quarterbacks make easily by dropping it over the top of 157 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: the lot. But the great thing about Caler Murray has 158 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: been short all his life. He's always been up in 159 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: the last quarterback. He is one of the guys never 160 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: bothered him, never bother If you go to Texas and 161 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: you ask people in Texas who's the best high school 162 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: football player to ever do it? Uh, A bunch of 163 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: those guys would tell you Calin Murray um just because 164 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: of the way that he dominated it Alan high school 165 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: and the way that he has played. And so you're 166 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: getting a guy who is very, very comfortable in his 167 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: own skin when he comes to how he plays the 168 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: system that he's played in because he's playing in the 169 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: same system that he's always played in. And and someone 170 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: who has a ton of confidence and swagger because he 171 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: has always one. And so when you have always one 172 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: and one at a high level high school, college, or whatever, 173 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: it drives you crazy to get to the league and 174 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: take else. And when you think about Colin Murray and 175 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: some of the other young quarterbacks, they came from winning programs, 176 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: let's say Joe Burrow, it eats them up. DJ they 177 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: have low tolerance for that. But what that does it 178 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: changes the temperature in the room. Those guys are thermist 179 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: that leaders who are intolerant of losing a ton of games. 180 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: And you've heard Calin Murray say this, and I'm tired 181 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: of taking these losses. I can't deal with this. And 182 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: when you watch his face at the end of games 183 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: when they lose, it's like he's had bad meat, right, 184 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: Like he has a sour face. It is He's definitely 185 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: not a happy, go lucky loser, but I think that 186 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: rubs off on the teammates. And to me, that's another 187 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: check in the column of why you want Calamari to 188 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: be your quarterback because he does have that leadership ability 189 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: that comes from winning. We always talk about DJ what 190 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 1: winners in Yep, Guys who win know how to win 191 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: and they continue to lead their team to win. Yeah, 192 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: no doubt. And I want to get into, you know, 193 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: how this system operates with Cliff Kingsbury as well as 194 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: the other personnel that they've put in place. But um, 195 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: before we do it, let's let's just take this this 196 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: moment here, let's let's uh, let's hear this ad and 197 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: we'll come right back and we'll dive back into this, 198 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: all right, Buck, I want to talk about before we 199 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: get to the rest of the personnel that they've put 200 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 1: in place, this this scheme Cliff Kingsbury brought because you know, 201 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: I think a lot of a lot of us had 202 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: some concerns. I remember last year we talked about, um, 203 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: the importance of shifting and motioning. How you know the 204 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 1: team's the best offenses in the NFL when you look 205 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: at who's shifting and motioning the most. It was basically 206 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: the top five were like you know, five of the 207 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 1: top offenses in the NFL, and there's so many advantages 208 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: to to that. We went we did a deep dive 209 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: on that last year. Well, the Cardinals, I think we're 210 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: dead last in that because it really is kind of 211 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: a true air raid offense at Cliff Kingsbury underneath my 212 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: leach um, this is this is what he brought to 213 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: the NFL. And the examples of that ten personnel is 214 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: like the staple uh in that offense, which is you've 215 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: got one back and you're going four wide. They are 216 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: in ten personnel of the plays um. The next closest 217 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: team is Buffalo eight percent. So I mean that shows 218 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: you that there that is a huge gap between what 219 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: they're doing and what the rest of the league is doing. 220 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: So that's the first part of it. The second part 221 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: of it is kind of like the Leech staple where 222 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: you play aside Um Hopkins, is the snaps on the 223 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,719 Speaker 1: left a j green percent of the snaps on the 224 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: right guys line up in the same spots and they're 225 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: in that in that ten personnel grouping quite a bit 226 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: buck and it is uh, it is proven to be 227 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: very successful. My contention is to go back to Kyler. 228 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: I don't think that offense would have the impact nearly 229 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: the impact, and in in fact, I think you might even 230 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: have to scrap it if you did not have a 231 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: mobile quarterback at the NFL level. To me, the athleticism 232 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,079 Speaker 1: of Kyler Murray, even if he doesn't use it, the 233 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: threat of his athleticism is what makes that whole thing work. No, 234 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: I think the thread of the athleticism is everything to it, 235 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: because what you've done is you've spread the field from 236 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: C to see. You've created these huge lanes where you 237 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: have a explosive jitterbug with big time arm talent and 238 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: big time running ability where he has room, and that 239 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: room is advantageous for him because he's as quick as 240 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: anybody that we've seen. I mean, it's almost like trying 241 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: to tackle Darryl Sprawls in the backfield while having to 242 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: deal with an arm talent that is at an upper level. 243 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: And so it is really really, really really hard um 244 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: to be able to deal with Kyla Murray. And because 245 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 1: he's able to run and rarely take big shots because 246 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: he slides and does all the other stuff it's a 247 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: tough matchup. And then when you surrounded with the weapons 248 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: that we'll talk about. I mean, he is basically Chris Paul. 249 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: He's basically just out here playing point guard and he's 250 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: getting the ball to the open shooter and they are spread. 251 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: Think you out, and it's ISO ball. And if you 252 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: can't contain him, you have no shout of being able 253 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: to stop the other guys because you can't help. It 254 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: is a tough offense to deal with. And then the 255 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: edit part of what they've done in the running game 256 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: makes it even that much stuff in the defense. All right, 257 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: So here's one of the reasons why I think the 258 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: athleticism is huge. So Kyler Murray, he's been pressured less 259 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: than any other quarterback since entering the NFL. Now you 260 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: ask yourself, why is that this is all from next 261 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: gen stats um when when he's been blitzed and this 262 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: is uh this season his yards per tempts eleven point nine, 263 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: which leads the league. So they're spreading you out. Now 264 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: you want to try and bring extra rushers. Will guess 265 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: what he can buy time? And now you have got 266 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: the field completely spread. He's buying time and you you 267 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: like you said, you have to cover from one sideline 268 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: to the other. And he's got four legit weapons which 269 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: we'll get into um that are that are out and routes, 270 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: sometimes five out into the route, so it discourages you 271 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: from going after him in there's also the thought, as 272 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: a pass rusher, if I get caught up field, he's 273 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: he's taken off, he's gone. So why would you Why 274 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: would you try and pressure him. It's not it's not 275 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: going to end well if you do. So that to 276 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: me is one of the conundrums for teams trying to 277 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: defend these guys. Yeah, I mean it's it's it's tough. 278 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: I just can't imagine being on the defense side the ball. 279 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: And you know this DJ because you present it like 280 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: these advanced reports, right, And the first thing that you 281 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: do is they always want to know and man, who 282 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: are the players? Who are the characters? Who who do 283 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: we have to defend? And when you look at the Cardinals, 284 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: like in most teams, when you're dealing with it, right, 285 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: two maybe three guys that you're like, hey, okay, we 286 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: gotta stop this guy, we gotta stop running back, and 287 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: we see we take care of those three guys. We 288 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: have a chance. But really, when you look at the 289 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: Cardinals and the way that they're playing, Cala Murray has 290 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: to be defended. You have DeAndre Hopkins and Zach Ertz 291 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: who would still be at the top of the food 292 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: chain when it comes to their respective positions. You have 293 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: a j Green who might be a fading star, but 294 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: he's kind of found the found the US somewhere down 295 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: there in the desert. They were keeping it from everybody, 296 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: but they have it for him, so he's making plays. 297 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: And then Rondel Moore and Christen Kirk, who are ideal 298 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: what I call slot receiver types who are quick and 299 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: have the ability to make things happen after the catch. 300 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: That is a lot to talk about because normally on 301 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: the defense of the ball you don't have enough personnel 302 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: to go toe to toe it what they can present 303 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: in their tim personnel package. All right, well, that's gonna 304 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: lead me to this sound. I want to run here 305 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: because you had a chance to catch up with Steve 306 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: Kim believe this is after Kyler Murray's rookie year, and 307 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: talked about Kyler and then the challenge of trying to 308 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: put the right pieces around him. You just mentioned some 309 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: of those pieces, but this was this was the chat 310 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: you had with Steve Kim, general manager of the Arizona Cardinals. 311 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: You've been fortunate to build a team now with Kyla 312 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: and athletic playmaker. You built it with Carson Palmer. What 313 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: are the differences when you have when you're building a 314 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: team where you have a mobile player and you have 315 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: a traditional throat It just kind of likes to hang 316 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: in the pocket. Have to build a team differently, Yeah, 317 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: I mean I think you do. Um, you know a 318 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: number of things. I mean just obviously there's some schematical 319 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: things that the way you have to approach it that 320 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: are a little different, especially with a guy that's got 321 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: to be in the gun, you know, the play action 322 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: game is a little different, the concepts there. But more 323 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: than anything, it's just to me, it's it's having this 324 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: a mobile, mobile quarterback for the first time. Is it's 325 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: just fun because there's so many different things you can do, 326 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: so many possibilities and and really you just gotta put 327 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: playmakers around them, and your offensive linemen do have to 328 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: be a little more athletic and they have to be 329 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: a little better in space. But um, those are fun 330 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: problems to have. Again, it's trying to find those type 331 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: of players. So it's funny. So DJ and I've had 332 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: this theory that when you have a mobile playmak and 333 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: athletic quarterback, that you basically want to surround them with 334 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: a track team because they can extend plays. You want 335 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: to be able to take advantage of the defense. Do 336 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: you see that that trend the need to have more 337 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: explosive playmakers around the guy they can extend plays and 338 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: kind of push the ball down the field. I don't 339 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: think there's any doubt because again, uh, that quarterback brings 340 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: so much attention to himself that you're getting more isolated 341 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: mismatches you can, and more one on one situations on 342 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: the perimeter. There you go. I mean, we kind of 343 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: laid it out what the blueprint was, and that's exactly 344 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: what he's done. And not long after that is when 345 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: he brought in Hopkins with that trade. You mentioned the 346 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: other pieces that they have in place with Rondale Moore 347 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: and Christian Kirk, who are if you think back to 348 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: those Texas Tech offenses and think of those slot receivers 349 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: that they had Um. I mean, that's like Wes Welker 350 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: with Juice Um with those guys fitting in that role. 351 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: They wanted Andy Isabella to be that guy. He just 352 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: wasn't um but they found it with ron Dale Moore 353 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: and Christian Kirk in that combination. I think A J. Green, 354 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: this is a great example. I want to get your 355 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: thoughts on this, Buck, but um, I'll go back to 356 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: like the baseball analogy. You say, um, you know what 357 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: is the you know what is the one thing that 358 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: you can do. So we can look in scouting and say, Okay, 359 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: he can't do this, he can't do that. Like you're 360 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: in baseball and you're like, I don't know. This guy 361 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: doesn't hit left handed pitching very well. He's not very 362 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: good on defense. But you know what he does. He's 363 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: got he's got power potential and he and he hits 364 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: you know, right handed pitching pretty well. So we're gonna 365 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: use him in spots starts, and then we're gonna let him, 366 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: um give us a chance latent games to pinch it 367 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: and make make make the team better. I think with 368 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: A J. Green, you can look at the erosion of 369 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: some of his quickness in sound of some of his um, 370 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: you know, explosiveness, But you can say, you know what, 371 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: in our offense where we spread you out so much, 372 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: and Hopkins is gonna draw so much attention that even 373 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: if he's just a fadeball guy, he's still six four 374 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 1: that ain't going away. He's still got unbelievable ball skills. 375 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: And he's been making those plays, those balls getting over 376 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: the top, Like that's all he really has to do. 377 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:35,719 Speaker 1: That's all you need him to do in this offense. 378 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: And what's so great about it is I feel like 379 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: the roles are very clearly defined their team. I believe 380 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: everyone knows exactly what they're expected to do. And DJ 381 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: you know this, like having been a quarterback. Um, it's 382 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 1: hard to keep all the mouse happy, right, and they 383 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: have so many mouths to feed. But yet they've been 384 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: able to find kind of find a way to have 385 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: like really equal distribution when it comes to the balls. 386 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: So I'm sitting here looking at the stat sheet. They 387 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: have one, two, three, four, five, five receivers that have 388 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 1: over twenty four catches. They have those same five guys. 389 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 1: Everybody has thirty or more targets. The only and I'm 390 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 1: talking about uh Chase Edmonds thirty three run dam over 391 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: thirty one. A J. Green with thirty five Christian Kirk 392 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: with thirty six. The outlier is DeAndre Hopkins forty seven. 393 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: That makes sense because he is the number one. You 394 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: go back and look the catches thirty three for Hopkins, 395 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: thirty for Kirk, twenty four for A. J. Green, twenty 396 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,959 Speaker 1: six Rundell Moore, twenty seven for Chase Edmans. So when 397 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: we talk about balanced distribution, everybody is touching the rock. Everybody. 398 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: I mean three guys with over four hundred yards, another 399 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: guy with three hundred yards I mean DJ. It's about 400 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: as even as it gets. Like if this was what 401 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: we were doing Pop Warner, where everyone has minimum play roles, 402 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: this is what they're doing the Arizona car and say, hey, 403 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: everybody plays, everybody touches the ball. This is flag football, 404 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: don't worry about it. And it's working. And it's working 405 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: to the point where I believe the chemistry and continuity 406 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: as a team also benefits from the fact that everyone 407 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 1: is touching the ball. I'm talking about that personnel, the 408 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: offensive line. They've been a good job. I think patients 409 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: with d J. Humphries, who um yeah, hard on early on, 410 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: believe in the ability, believe in the kid, and he's 411 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: turned himself into a really good player. Um, you know 412 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: they signed Rodney Hudson. He's been down, he's been down. Um, 413 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: but that veteran presence was was a good move. The 414 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: rest of that group, Josh Jones right guard, young player 415 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: beat him is played better than I thought he would. 416 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: I thought he would probably done. They've been able to 417 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: get the most out of him. So some good pieces there. 418 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: But the run game, to me, what makes this run 419 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: game cook is you spread them out again with that 420 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: passing game. You're going to see light boxes just because 421 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: of the sets that you're in, the personnel groupings you 422 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: have out there, so you're gonna see at boxes. So 423 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: if you're seeing six man boxes, which they see a 424 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: bunch of, and now you've got a quarterback that you 425 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: have to account for on every single running play, that 426 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: means that takes one away. So you're you're five on 427 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: five in the run game, five on five. Like my 428 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: son is in junior high, right and they play eight 429 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: man football. I don't know if you've watched the it's 430 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: the best. It's like, you know, there's so much space, 431 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: there's so much space, and that's kind of what it 432 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: looks like when you're watching the Cardinals is that they're 433 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: gonna play five on five and the run game, and 434 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,719 Speaker 1: then they're gonna still get their one on ones outside 435 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: in the past game, it's it's a great set up again. 436 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: I go back to the the athleticism of he's not 437 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: running a ton. He doesn't have to run a ton. Hit. 438 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: The threat of him as a runner is a major 439 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: impact on this offense. And DJ, we've always talked about it. 440 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: In a perfect world, I think you talked about get 441 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: me four. The quarterback can get me four and we 442 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: can pull it four or five times a game where 443 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: we run some kind of zone reads, some kind of 444 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: quarterback design run or something like that. That is enough 445 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: to make the defense have to talk about it, have 446 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: to practice on it, have to make it, just honor it. Yes, 447 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: that is enough to do it. And what that does 448 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: is it opens up the rest of the offense. And 449 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: so it's really brilliant by design. And you know one 450 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: thing that we can talk about, because you've talked about 451 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: the splits, how sometimes they will over exaggerate the wide 452 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: receiver splits. I don't know, like our our listeners, sometimes 453 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: they may not pay close attention to college. But a 454 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: few years ago when Art Brawls was at Baylor and 455 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: Bailey was lighting people up not only throwing it but 456 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: running it. Because I sat there in Washington run for 457 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: seven hundred yards on my tar heels in a bowl 458 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: game without a quarterback. And what they did dj they 459 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: put those two wide receivers on both sides outside the numbers, 460 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 1: and they made you basically play eight man football in 461 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: the box. And their ability to use the quarterback evens 462 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: up the numbers, and so now you can't stop. So 463 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 1: when the Cardinals decided to run the ball, particularly latent games, 464 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: I mean, these guys are scooting through freeways because the 465 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:12,479 Speaker 1: holes are so big and it's very confounded. And so 466 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: this is why I want to give Cliff Kingsbury credit 467 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: because there was a lot of outrage when Cliff Kingsbury 468 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: got this job. How can you hire someone from Texas 469 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: Tech who has a losing record, got fired, got fired 470 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: to to get a better job in the National Football 471 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: League when he doesn't have the pelts on the wall 472 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: necessarily to validate it or justified yea, I will say 473 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: that his offensive ingenuity, even though we can talk about 474 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,959 Speaker 1: the air ray system being simple, I give him credit 475 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,239 Speaker 1: for being able to quickly adapt and adjust to the 476 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: NFL game because the first year they came out like 477 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: a house on fire, but then the league kind of 478 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: caught up with it this year. Yeah, and they are 479 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: putting thirty on everybody, with the exception of one game, 480 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: I don't think they've hit thirty. But every game they're 481 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: putting thirty on you and snoffs is very, very difficult 482 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: to deal with. All Right, I want to change over 483 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: to the defensive side of the ball. We're gonna do 484 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: that right after this, all right, Buck, when we look 485 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: at this Cardinals defense, Um, you can go back to 486 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: really to me, the trade for Chandler Jones, which is 487 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: one of the best trades we've seen in a long 488 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: time in the NFL. UM and the impact that he's made. 489 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: But some other things, some other takeaways. When you look 490 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: at how this group has come together, what do you got? 491 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 1: You know that no more takeaway, uh that I would 492 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: have as Chanlel Jones being great, But I believe they 493 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: have the right pieces up front. And it's really weird, 494 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 1: right because when you think about this front, um, J 495 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,479 Speaker 1: j Wyte gets hurt, so we can't necessarily include him 496 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: in the discussion. But I do think he brings a 497 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: point because when he was playing, he was making an impact. 498 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: So you have j J Wytt, a veteran player who's 499 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: making plays at the point of attack. You have Channel Jones, 500 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: a veteran pass us one of the best in the 501 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: game who we have to talk about. You have a 502 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: kid on the other side, and Marcus Golden, who is 503 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: what I call the ideal complimentary pass rusher. Not necessarily 504 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: an elite skilled player, but high motor, high intensity, try hard, 505 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: play hard guy. On the other side. He's killing six 506 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: sacks um That stands out to me like the pass rush. 507 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: And then the rest of it is dj what we 508 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: always talk about. The modern defense needs to be full 509 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: of speedsters. Speed negates a bun of a bunch of 510 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: things that you have to face on the offense. Speed 511 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: also leads to turnovers because when you have a fast 512 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: defense that plays hard and they knocked people around, the 513 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: ball inevitably flies out right fumbles, interceptions and those things. 514 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: So now you have a fast defense that is hustling 515 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: to the ball, good things are happening because they're hitting 516 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: people in the ball is coming out and they're getting 517 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: a ton of takeaways. All right here, here's one of 518 00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: my things that I think is interesting fascinating with this defense. Um. 519 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 1: J J. Watt, who's you know, it looks like he's 520 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: gonna be out for the rest of the year, so 521 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: that's a tough one. He's thirty two years old. Chandler 522 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: Jones is thirty one, Um, Jordan Hicks twenty nine, Marcus 523 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: Golden's thirty, Robert Alford's thirty three. Uh corner. Um, they 524 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: have a lot of veteran pieces on this defense. And 525 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: normally when we think historically in the NFL, the best 526 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: defenses are young. In fact, now they've infused it with 527 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: some youth and speedy. Look at the drafting of Isaiah Simmons, 528 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: who I've got an interesting nugget on him. Um, you 529 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: know he's seen Byron Murphy's twenty three, Buddha Baker's twenty five. 530 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: These guys are all really really athletics. Avon Collins at 531 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: Rookies twenty two. You know, he rolls through their lineup. 532 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: But I think it's a fascinating mix of kind of 533 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: the young and the old and kind of marrying it together. Yeah. 534 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: Now it's funny as you say that, right DJ, because um, 535 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: so often we talked about age and over thirty kind 536 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: of being the death knil when it comes to players. 537 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: But I'll say this experience can bring about expertise, And 538 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: when you have a very experienced defense, there's a level 539 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: of expertise that you can get to that allows you 540 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: to play a very multiple and versatile and very defense. 541 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: So when you're advantaged Joseph and you have those guys 542 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: that you split off maybe five or six thirty year 543 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: old players who may have seven years or more experience 544 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: in the league, well, now those guys have played in 545 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: a ton a ton of games. They've also learned a 546 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 1: bunch of different schemes and concepts. So now when you're 547 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: vanas Joseph going into the game, your call sheet can 548 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: be a little bigger because your players can handle more 549 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: because they play it longer. That experience allows the play 550 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: caller to do more than you are able to do 551 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: with a young defense, where you were lying on their 552 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: speed and athleticism and talent to make plays as opposed 553 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: to the experience and their expertise. Yeah, I think you 554 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: can bury up what you do. You can you can 555 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 1: get as complex and as camp kidded as you want. 556 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 1: They're gonna have no trouble swallowing that. I also think 557 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: it's huge. We used to talk about this on teams. 558 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: I was with when you're when you're building a roster, 559 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: which is you want to have kind of an alpha, 560 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: a leader in every position room. So you want to 561 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: have a veteran presence in each and every room on 562 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: your football team. And I think you can look at 563 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 1: some teams that struggle in this league, some really young 564 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: teams and say, you know what, maybe maybe there was 565 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 1: a way they could have found a veteran presence. You know, 566 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: I'm all for young I want to play young guys. 567 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 1: I want to promote that. But just having one guy 568 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: in that room I think is big. Oh it is 569 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: uses the older statesman, the guy who in a perfect world, 570 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: that guy would still be able to play, you play, 571 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: maybe not necessarily at a high level, but he certainly 572 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: can be functioned so he can earn the respect other 573 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: guys that he's leading. But yes, you need to have 574 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: someone in those rooms when you have younger players who 575 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 1: can demonstrate and teach these guys how to play the 576 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: game the right way, who can also I would say, 577 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: disseminate some of the complex information him from the coaches 578 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 1: and make it very easy for the players. So when 579 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: the coach leaves the room and they go to the 580 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: locker room, the veteran can say, Okay, here's what he means. Yeah, 581 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: this is what this really is. I know he's saying this, 582 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,719 Speaker 1: but here's the simple form of what he's saying. All right, 583 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: here's my nugget on Isais Simmons. I'm gonna use this 584 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: tonight when we're doing the Amazon feed again. If if 585 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: you haven't done it yet, hang with us for this 586 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: Thursday night game. Go to Twitch dot tv slash Move 587 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: the Sticks. It's Joy Taylor, Bucky myself. You can watch 588 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 1: us and you actually see the game as well. If 589 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: you've enjoyed the Manning cast. Um, you know, this is 590 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: something we've been doing. This is our second year doing it. 591 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun. There's a chat on there. 592 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: You can interact with us, ask questions. Um, we have 593 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: a great time. So again, that's just Twitch dot tv 594 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: Slash Moved the Sticks. You can just subscribe to the 595 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: Twitch channel as well, so you'll be kind of alerted 596 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: on that stuff. It's easy to do. Um, all right, 597 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons, he's one of four players in the league 598 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: this year to have sent spent at least ten percent 599 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: of snaps lined up as an edge, an inside linebacker, 600 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: an outside linebacker, and as the slot corner as their 601 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: as their big nickel. So we we preached his versatility 602 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: buck this year. When you look at throughout his career, 603 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: here's his percentagescent linebacker percent as an edge rusher, nineteen 604 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: percent as an outside linebacker, fourteen percent as a slot corner, 605 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: and uh, he's even got as an interior or where 606 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: eight percent is an interior defensive lineman, four percent is 607 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: a deep safety. I mean, but dudes, he literally has 608 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: been all over the place. It's kind of what we 609 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: saw when we were watching him at Clemson. Now it's 610 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: taken a while for him to get comfortable doing all 611 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: these things. I think that you know, early on maybe 612 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: a little overwhelming, but now you're seeing the benefits of 613 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: just having a freak athlete and that chess piece on 614 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: the board. We see it with Jalen Ramsey and what 615 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: he can do. We see what Derwin James, what he 616 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: can do. UM to me, guys like this is it's 617 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: the futures here. Yeah, the future is here. And I 618 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: would say I wouldn't even put all that on Isaiah Simmons. 619 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: I think it takes a well for a coach to 620 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: understand how to do all of that stuff, because how 621 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: do I build a game playing around a player who 622 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: can do so many different things? How do I know 623 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: which calls that I want to feature that allow him 624 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: to go to different places so I can maximize his 625 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: talent and enhance what we're doing defensively, Because I think 626 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: it's all of those things. And I think after a 627 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: year of kind of playing around with the new toy, Vance, 628 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: Joseph and the Cardinals coaching staff figured out how to 629 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: maximize his talent. And we're seeing that because what you 630 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: basically said almost it almost breaks up in quarters in 631 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: terms of what he's doing. But set me for our 632 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: percent of what he's doing, I mean outside edges all 633 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: the things that we saw him doing at Clemson, smattering 634 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: of safety, you know, and some other stuff. But we're 635 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: seeing him do exactly what it did at Clemson, which 636 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: is why I think he's very very comfortable on YouTube. Yeah. Also, 637 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting when you've got guys like Buddha 638 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: Baker who can do a lot of different things, play 639 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: a lot of different roles. Zavencottlins Um, you know, he's 640 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: just kind of rolling through getting some some work in 641 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: this defense. Who's a jumbo as at six four sixty pounds, 642 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: who can really really run. Um he's got seventeen tackles 643 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: on the season. I think you're gonna see him, you know, 644 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: his role probably growing evolve as we get through this 645 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: season and as we go into next year. But um, 646 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: they've built up a fast young group here to mix 647 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: in with those veterans. I think it's a really good 648 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: mix with how they put this thing together. Yeah, it 649 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: is a really good mix. Um. I really like what 650 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: they've done, and I like how they're playing, and I 651 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: really like you know, and we we've seen it haven't 652 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: been around teams that have made runs at the side 653 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: of you can feel when the chemistry and the connectivities 654 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: there and the energy and everybody's on the same page. 655 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: And it's not just the players, but as the coaches, 656 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: coaches filling in for Cliff Kingsbury when he's out for COVID, 657 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: and the offense and defense didn't skip a beat. There 658 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: are a lot of positive things that are going on 659 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: down in the desert, And so I can't wait to 660 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: see what this team looks like when they take on 661 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: the Packers, because I don't care what anyone says. Even 662 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: though the Cardinals might be the favorite in this game, 663 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: when the Packers run out the tunnel, there's still a 664 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: Packer bit. Yeah, there's still a little bit of that 665 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: inferiority complex that takes place. And having known because they're 666 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: playing in Arizona, right so knowing the lay of the land, 667 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: there will be a lot of Packer fans in their 668 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: building because there are a lot of people that migrate 669 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: to the desert from the Midwest, and so it'll be 670 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: an interesting mix and it'll be interesting in how this 671 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: game plays out. Typically whenever they play, particularly down in 672 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: that building, you see some crazy finishes. So it should 673 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: be a phone. Yeah, it's gonna be good man. Anything 674 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: else you want to add before we jump out here. 675 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,959 Speaker 1: I think it's been a fun episode. No, I think 676 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: it's fun. I think anytime we get a chance to 677 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: pop the hood and and really dive deep into the 678 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: things that we really like and enjoy the team building 679 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: part of it. Man, I think it's a fascinating discussion. 680 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: And when we get a chance to break down some 681 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: of the things that I guess friends of our in 682 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: the league have been able to do. It's also fun 683 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: because we don't have a little insight and kind of 684 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: share what we know of what we've learned about the 685 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: theory behind why these teams decided to do what they 686 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: did when it came to the draft and building the team. 687 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: All right, beast thing, I need you to be my 688 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: moral police here for for one question. Um Tim Kates, 689 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: who's a producer for Petros and Money? Uh? Yeah, listen, 690 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: yeah money him? Tim is a great guy. Tim does 691 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: the pregame and postgame for Dodgers. Um, so on Night 692 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: one of the World Series, I called him, He did 693 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: not answer, and I left him a voicemail wishing him 694 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: and the Dodgers good luck this evening. Does that make 695 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: me a bad Does that make me a bad guy? 696 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,479 Speaker 1: It does? It does make you bad. It makes you 697 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: almost the kind of fan that you hate being friends with. 698 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: Because that that, I wonder what Honestly, I appreciate that 699 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: that would have been a lot. Like The only thing 700 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: I can I can take that with is is DJ 701 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: Like I routed out with my taro is particularly Carolyn 702 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: a basketball and I remember a friend of mine I 703 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: think this is when they were in the final four 704 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: and they were playing Kansas, and Kansas with beating the 705 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: brakes off of them in the first half, and they 706 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: called me, he can't little premature. Yeah, first of all, 707 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: I know, I know that you don't answer. How don't 708 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: answer a phone? Car because my Hoosiers were playing Carolina 709 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: and the tournament and I text you and you did 710 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 1: not reply. No, no, no, no, I'm locked in. No communit, 711 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: no communication. We're locked in. We're locked and loaded. We 712 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: got a Lucky shirts on. We're sitting in from the TV. 713 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: If I need to go to my backup Lucky T shirt, 714 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: I have my Lucky T shirt there just in case, 715 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: the blankie, all of it, all of it since I 716 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: was kid. Yeah, so what how did that go down? 717 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: Carolina come back and win that game? They came back, 718 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: but they couldn't win it. But yeah, I was mad. 719 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,879 Speaker 1: It's trying the friendship for a little bit. Yeah. But see, 720 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: here's the thing when when uh, you're always chasing the 721 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: big dog, like that's what we do, like we just 722 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: we gotta just, we gotta needle and we gotta nit, 723 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: we gotta get after him a little bit because we're 724 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: not getting it done on the field. We gotta find 725 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 1: a way to just But it was so much conversation, 726 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 1: There was so much. It was so much of that. 727 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: So I would think that you would learn your lesson, 728 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,280 Speaker 1: because nope, you were so poured in and emotionally bested. 729 00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: April and May is coming up, Junior, Look it's so fun. 730 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,280 Speaker 1: And then man, when the wheels fall off, it's Charlie 731 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: Brown kicking a can down the street. We just hired 732 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: a new pitching coach. We're winning the whole thing. You 733 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: know what I can appreciate. I can appreciate the wee thing. 734 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 1: You're you're all in. Oh, you're all, You're you're all. 735 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: I used to always that used. The funny thing is 736 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: when you're with teams. When I was with teams, like 737 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: a great example, I was working i think with the 738 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: Ravens and and and one year the Chargers and the 739 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: Ravens were the best teams. And I remember like talking 740 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: to a family member and he said, uh, and then 741 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: obviously grew up Charger fans, you know, having grown up, 742 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 1: and he said, uh, who do you who do you 743 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: guys play this week? And I said, I think we 744 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 1: got the Steelers and he goes, yeah, we have this 745 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: such and such, and I said, oh, you gotta get 746 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,439 Speaker 1: a mouse in your pocket? Like what we mean? We like, 747 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: what do you get hired by? The team? Was always 748 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: were fridge? We we we we? Yeah? Are you getting 749 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: playoff bonuses? Is that how it works now? The fans 750 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: get playoff I am that, I admitted, I am that 751 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: guy with the padres. I'm a weak guy. Yeah, I 752 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: mean it's nothing wrong with that. Like so for so 753 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: long DJ I couldn't enjoy like the fandom because when 754 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,879 Speaker 1: you play for five different teams, you work with you 755 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,839 Speaker 1: that I don't have that with you know NFL. I mean, 756 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: I call the Charger games, so I want those to 757 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: be compelling, good games, and I know that everybody in 758 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,879 Speaker 1: the organization, so they're easy, you know. But I've got 759 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: friends all over the league, so you know, it's not 760 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: so I felt like this was the first year because 761 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: I started calling games for the Jags that like I 762 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: could go all the way back in in terms of 763 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: having the WE thing. I can talk about WE think 764 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: I talked about we thing on the air and all 765 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: the other stuff. But it's a different life being a fan, 766 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: you know, the fanatical energy and the devotion that you 767 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 1: put behind. It's not different, it's fun. It's a different 768 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,359 Speaker 1: experience for me. Yeah, so you've got Carolina hoops. That's 769 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:52,359 Speaker 1: your that's your passion, all day, banners many every day 770 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: like I can't even I can't even tell you DJ 771 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: like you talk about the fandom, like not wanting to 772 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: go to elementary school when Carolina would lose and they 773 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 1: were losing because way back Jefferson finally was the game, 774 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: especially if they lost the NC State to do like 775 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: I cannot. I didn't want to go to the classroom 776 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: like I hated it so much. And being spoiled because 777 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: they always finished first or second in the league. It 778 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 1: was all that stuff. So yeah, it's tough for me. 779 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: You're up spoiled man, have to sleep after losses. Well, 780 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 1: so to summarize, yeah, probably not a nice thing. A 781 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 1: nice thing, that's all right. I'm I can live with that. 782 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: All right. That's gonna do it for us today. Appreciating 783 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: a bill and all he does, appreciate all the packer 784 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: notes he puts in the side chat that we don't 785 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 1: use during the during the show. But trust me to 786 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: be all is fired up for this game and I'm 787 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: sure we will hear never hear the end of it 788 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: if the Packers win this game without without all these players, 789 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: so probably, I hope that doesn't happen. He'll be insufferable 790 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: buck Um. All right, that's gonna do it for us today. 791 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys hanging with us. We'll catch you 792 00:37:54,960 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 1: next time. Right here, I'm moving sticks without has that 793 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 1: thought to move thout, notting you have that before to 794 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: love ut