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Speaker 1: Welcome into a lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan mink

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Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing, fresh off the Ravens thirty five

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Speaker 1: to thirty four win over the Cincinnati Bengals on Thursday

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Speaker 1: Night Football. The Ravens moved to seven and three on

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Speaker 1: the season and dropped the Bengals to four and six.

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Speaker 1: This was another wild game against the Bengals here at

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Speaker 1: the Bank. The Purple Rising game atmosphere was awesome and

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Speaker 1: this game delivered.

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Speaker 2: Garrett.

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Speaker 1: You know, Thursday Night Football oftentimes I feel like gets

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Speaker 1: kind of it can turn into some Yon fests. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this one, for like half the game was not particularly great, especially.

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Speaker 3: If you're a Ravens fan. As the Ravens were down

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Speaker 3: twenty one to seven and.

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Speaker 1: The Ravens were down two touchdowns, was not looking great.

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Speaker 1: And there were some booze in the stands from Ravens fans.

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Speaker 2: About the offense, which we haven't.

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Speaker 1: Heard all seasons certainly, But the Ravens offense comes charging back,

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Speaker 1: thanks in part to a big play on defense by

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Speaker 1: Marlon Humphrey, and then from there on out it just

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Speaker 1: turned into a shootout here at the Bank. So we're

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Speaker 1: gonna break it all down for you, and let's start,

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Speaker 1: Garrett with this offense that you know, like we said,

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Speaker 1: it came out a little sluggish and just turned it on.

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Speaker 4: I think that's the thing about this Ravens offense, no

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Speaker 4: matter what, they have the ability, even when things are

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Speaker 4: going poorly, when they're struggling, they have the ability to

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Speaker 4: flip the switch and then it can become a track meet.

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Speaker 4: And we saw that tonight. It felt like, man, what's

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Speaker 4: up with this offense? It's not going well. The Bengals

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Speaker 4: doing something that the Ravens don't have an answer for.

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Speaker 4: Nothing's right, what's up? And then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 4: after that fumble by Marlon Humphrey, the Ravens offense was

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Speaker 4: rolling and it was different guys. It was Mark Andrews,

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Speaker 4: it was Tyler Wallace, it was Nelson Aglore, it was

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Speaker 4: Rashan Bateman. Of course it was Lamar Jackson leading the way.

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Speaker 3: There was so much.

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Speaker 4: That in the halfway through the third quarter, in the

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Speaker 4: fourth quarter, this offense just caught fire and it was

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Speaker 4: a fun thing to watch. Now, of course, we'll talk

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Speaker 4: about the defense and that unit has to improve, but man,

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Speaker 4: this offense in the second half of the game was

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Speaker 4: a beautiful sight to see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that there's certainly a belief with just

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Speaker 1: how well this offense has played over the course of

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Speaker 1: the season, there's a belief that it's only a matter

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Speaker 1: of time before they turned on. And also, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: by the way, it helps when you have Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: on your team, right, And so multiple guys said that,

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Speaker 1: you know, hey, we can be down two touchdowns, but

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Speaker 1: we know we got number eight in the backfield and

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Speaker 1: as long as he's back there, we got a chance,

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Speaker 1: a good chance.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: And you know, Lamar makes the crazy sideline. I mean

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Speaker 1: it was only a ten yard run, but I think

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Speaker 1: he ran over fifty. Yeah, according to the next Gen stats,

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Speaker 1: it was wild. He ran let's see, hold on, hold on,

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna find it. Yeah, the eight point one yards. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he ran fifty eighty yards up for a ten yard game.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those things that was a wild play.

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Speaker 3: The classic case of a play that's unfolding.

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Speaker 4: You're like, no, no, no, throw it away, just get

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Speaker 4: out of there, just live to fight another down.

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Speaker 3: Wait, okay, okay, all right, wait is he gonna score?

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Speaker 1: He scored exactly, he said, he said after the game

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Speaker 1: we should have scored exactly. I mean, something about the

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Speaker 1: Bengals brings out just ridiculous highlights from Lamar Jackson, I tweeted,

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Speaker 1: I think his career like highlights will start all against

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Speaker 1: the Bengals.

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Speaker 2: The first three plays, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know, the one nineteen, the one earlier this year

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Speaker 1: with the rag Doll touchdown throw, and then that one.

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Speaker 1: If he had scored on that one, yeah, that would

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Speaker 1: be it would have taken it to another level, admit,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, Lamar turned it on. And he

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Speaker 1: said that the Bengals played him a little different. They

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Speaker 1: of the penalties that they had, whether it be holding,

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Speaker 1: you know, not particularly surprising considering the refereeing crew coming

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Speaker 3: Most it's most yeah, the most flag.

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Speaker 1: Happy in the league. So that was a concern of

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Speaker 1: any momentum, then they're so hard to stop it. Like

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Speaker 1: we've said all year, the only people that have stopped

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Speaker 1: them are themselves, right, and then once they get out

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Speaker 1: of their own way, they can't be They're not gonna

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, the Marlin Humphrey play really changed this game because

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Speaker 4: it felt like the Bengals offense was just marched up

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Speaker 4: and down the field and they they really were, but

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Speaker 4: it felt like, Okay, they're gonna just keep scoring.

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Speaker 3: They've got a two touchdown lead.

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Speaker 4: The Ravens offense is kind of stuck in the mud

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Speaker 4: here and not there's not much going right in this game,

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Speaker 4: and it looks like the Bengals could just go put

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Speaker 4: the game out of reach right here. And then Marlin

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Speaker 4: You could feel the energy shift inside Mt. BAK Stadium

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Speaker 4: and on the Ravens sideline. And then they just a

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Speaker 4: few plays later, made quick work of it, get in

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Speaker 4: Now it's a different it's a different conversation and you

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Speaker 4: feel like, Okay, now maybe we can get another stop

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Speaker 4: and go down there and tie it. It just felt

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Speaker 4: like once that happened, the Ravens just needed something to

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Speaker 4: go right, and that was the play where something went right.

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Speaker 4: And then I think the belief really started to snowball

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Speaker 4: off this comeback. And I also think the fact that

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Speaker 4: the Ravens can play from behind, it's great playing from ahead.

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Speaker 3: I prefer that. I much prefer playing from ahead, but the.

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Speaker 4: Ravens have proven they have the ability to play from behind.

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Speaker 4: And I think earlier in Lamar Jackson's career that was

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Speaker 4: not the recipe for this team. But he has grown

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Speaker 4: so much as a player, and this offense has so

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Speaker 4: much confidence him. This pass game is so dynamic, and

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Speaker 4: so the Ravens can win a game like this where

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Speaker 4: they're in a big deficit in the second half and

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Speaker 4: they can still find a way to win in a shootout.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's a testament to Lamar's growth and

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Speaker 4: of course the overall offensive growth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, completely agree.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when they were down two scores, I said,

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Speaker 1: You know, with no doubt in my mind that like,

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Speaker 1: all right, they're gonna be able to throw their way

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Speaker 1: out of this, right. And Derrick Henry you know, ran

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Speaker 1: sixteen times for sixty eight yards in both games against

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Speaker 2: Now this year.

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Speaker 1: Hasn't really had the you know, consistent runs. I think

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Speaker 1: against them. But you know, another game kind of with

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Speaker 1: more modest yards for Derrick Henry against the Bengals. And

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Speaker 1: when you see this rushing game not really get a

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Speaker 2: Know, maybe we're not going to be able to run

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Speaker 1: As effectively as consistently as we want in this game,

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Speaker 1: but we can.

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Speaker 2: We can go to other targets.

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Speaker 1: We can go to the Tyle Mallises, we can go

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Speaker 1: have so many other ways to beat you. And that

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Speaker 1: and that's perfectly fine. Right, And by the way, the

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Speaker 1: Ravens finished with ninety nine rushing yards. That happened on

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Speaker 1: the final kneel down. Lamar Jackson kneeled for ninety nine,

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Speaker 1: which snapped their streak of twenty two straight games with

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Speaker 1: up on top, beating their own record from back during

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Speaker 1: the twenty nineteen season.

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Speaker 2: Did that bleed over in.

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Speaker 1: The twenty twenty I can't remember, and so kind of

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Speaker 1: kind of wild that it happened on the kneel down.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's you like to keep that record attacked, but

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Speaker 4: we'll take its record. You'll take in victory formation play,

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Speaker 4: especially especially after a game like this that was so

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Speaker 4: back and forth, and it was just a giant exhale.

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Speaker 4: When the Ravens stopped a two point conversion, got the

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Speaker 3: I was like, that's just end this thing. Get out

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Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah, Bick Fangio thought they were gonna run on

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Speaker 1: so good for Thailand. I mean, gosh, it feels like

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Speaker 1: almost everybody on this offense had had their day, you know,

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Speaker 1: yet Thailand, Right, So it was his turn, and you know,

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Speaker 1: speaking to him after the game, it was funny if

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Speaker 1: fans at home had flashbacks to his punt return for

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Speaker 1: a touchdown that won the game in overtime against the

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Speaker 1: Rams last year, well so did Thailand. Yeah, as he

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Speaker 1: as he was running down the sideline after he had

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Speaker 2: So oh, look, you just say.

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Speaker 4: I'm so happy for that guy, same sideline, same uniforms.

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Speaker 3: I joked with him.

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Speaker 2: I was like, are you also just like tightrope walking down? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Exactly.

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Speaker 4: It was like the same play pretty much. One was

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Speaker 4: a catch, one was a punt, I joked him afterwards.

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Speaker 4: I was like, are you gonna petition Harbs to wear

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Speaker 4: these purple uniforms every single game. He's like, I might

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Speaker 4: have to it just felt he bawls out and these uniforms,

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Speaker 4: and so we knew that different helmet, different helmet. Uh,

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Speaker 4: but now you have the full the full studio. We

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Speaker 4: we actually when we did the uh, when we did

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Speaker 4: knew we just like tail in purple uniform, that's right,

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Speaker 4: new helmet. He's gonna have a big game, and he delivered.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I asked Hibody he didn't do the

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Speaker 2: flip at the end?

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Speaker 3: I know, I actually asked him that too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he said he just had to mix it up. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was wondering if if he was like did

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, it was a pretty exciting, exciting performance for this offense.

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Speaker 4: Lamar finishes with two hundred ninety passing yards four touchdowns.

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Speaker 4: I think he's ten to one against them now in

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Speaker 4: When we come back, we'll talk about what didn't go

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Speaker 4: The Crown is Yours. So the defense today had a

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Speaker 4: tough night. As I mentioned, Burrow threw for more than

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Speaker 4: for Jamar Chase eleven catches, two hundred and sixty four

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Speaker 3: Those two guys were on sopt. Coming into the game.

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Speaker 4: You felt like maybe the Bagels offense wouldn't be rolling

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Speaker 3: They don't have T Higgins so much.

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Speaker 1: So much for my split stats about uh, how Jamar

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Speaker 3: I guess to stop Jamar Chase.

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Speaker 1: Story is Jamar Chase lights it up with two sixty

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Speaker 3: I think it's probably the fantasy football players out.

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Speaker 1: Because now you've taken the ball away from Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 2: I felt good.

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Speaker 4: so they come down.

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Speaker 3: I just felt like it was going to come down

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Speaker 3: to a two point.

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Speaker 4: Play and the Bengals similar to what we saw last

444
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Speaker 4: week from the Broncos. The Bengals came to this game

445
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Speaker 4: with a clear strategy that we're going to have to

446
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Speaker 4: go for it on basically every questionable fourth down. If

447
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Speaker 4: there's a fourth down, we're going for it. They did

448
00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,200
Speaker 4: that the entire game and and then at the very end,

449
00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:52,440
Speaker 4: same mindset, you score, you're going for two and four.

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Speaker 2: They waited for it on fourth down four.

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Speaker 4: Times and I think top right. And so it was

452
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Speaker 4: the same thing with the Broncos last week. That shows

453
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Speaker 4: us that's a sign of respect for the Ravens offense

454
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Speaker 4: that we're just gonna have to score a ton of

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Speaker 4: points to beat these guys.

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Speaker 3: Field goals aren't gonna get it done.

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Speaker 4: And so that's I think what teams are gonna do

458
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Speaker 4: when they play the Ravens, and that's why they went

459
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Speaker 4: for two and the Ravens got to stop by a

460
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Speaker 4: two point play. That's great, but obviously it was It

461
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Speaker 4: was not the overall defensive performance you want. I mean,

462
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Speaker 4: something that seems to be a consistent theme as an

463
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Speaker 4: issue for the defense is this area in the middle

464
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Speaker 4: of the field between corners to safeties, linebackers to safeties.

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Speaker 4: They're just getting picked apart there and like, I don't

466
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Speaker 4: know what is happening in that process of passing it

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Speaker 4: off as seems from the first level to the second level,

468
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Speaker 4: but like the middle of the field has been way

469
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Speaker 4: too easy of a target for opposing offenses. And that's

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Speaker 4: something the Raves are going to work to figure out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I mean I think they need They certainly

472
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Speaker 1: need to get better play on the back end.

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Speaker 2: They've been They've shuffled their safety rotation.

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Speaker 1: Now. You know, Marcus Williams was in part one of

475
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Speaker 1: the people who got beat.

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Speaker 2: On that long touchdown.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's no less ends or butts about it,

478
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Speaker 1: and they shuffled between he and Eddie Jackson thought Marcus

479
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:03,680
Speaker 1: played well last week.

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Speaker 2: I thought he.

481
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Speaker 1: Did some good things in this game, but he got

482
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Speaker 1: beat over the top and that's your safe safety job.

483
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Speaker 1: And so like they they you know, they traded for

484
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Speaker 1: Tredavious Waite. Obviously he wasn't gonna be ready for this game.

485
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Speaker 1: They traded for him on Tuesday. How much does that

486
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Speaker 1: help remains to be seen, but I think they're still

487
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Speaker 1: searching for answers.

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Speaker 4: One thing that I did like in this game, there

489
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Speaker 4: was a lot of talk about the Ravens pass rush

490
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Speaker 4: and not adding a pass rusher at the deadline. Should

491
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Speaker 4: they have done that? Mannamdi Matabike hit his best game

492
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Speaker 4: of the season, had three sacks.

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Speaker 3: He was a force. He was a force.

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Speaker 1: Yep, that was awesome to see. He had two sacks

495
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Speaker 1: entering the game three to night. I talked to Namdi

496
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Speaker 1: last week and he said that, you know, it's been

497
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Speaker 1: way more double teams than he expected this year and

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Speaker 1: that he just had to kind of keep his head

499
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Speaker 1: down and keep fighting through it. And on top of

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Speaker 1: he's been playing a lot of snaps since the D

501
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Speaker 1: line's been so banged up, and so I'm not sure

502
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Speaker 1: if the Bengals doubled him less.

503
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Speaker 2: If so, that was a bad idea.

504
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Speaker 1: But he was playing with his hair on fire today

505
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 1: and and I thought that that makes a huge difference

506
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Speaker 1: for him to be playing nom need to be playing

507
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 1: that way, and Travis Jones to be back. It looked

508
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Speaker 1: like he's was the healthiest that he's been in weeks.

509
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 1: He's been dealing with that angle injury. We talked about

510
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Speaker 1: it a lot at the beginning of the season, how

511
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Speaker 1: that defensive line was just eating early on and to

512
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Speaker 1: see those guys pressure Joe Burrow along with o'dafio Way

513
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Speaker 1: along with other guys, Joe Burrow is going to be sore.

514
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he if a short week, he wasn't sore enough

515
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Speaker 2: by a short week. He is going to be very

516
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Speaker 2: sore on that flight home the Cincinnati tonight.

517
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Speaker 4: Yeah he was at times. They showed it on the broadcast,

518
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 4: but dealing with some sort of injury to his left

519
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 4: hand or left arm was very uncomfortable. He got The

520
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 4: Ravens had thirteen quarterback hits in this game, and A

521
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Speaker 4: Dafaeloway had three of them.

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Speaker 2: I thought he was the Bengals head who know, Yeah, it's.

523
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Speaker 4: A little harder to hit Lamar, sure, but it's one

524
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Speaker 4: that's a I know but when Lamar as that play

525
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 4: where he runs for fifty yards and is all behind

526
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 4: the play, it's just hard to get to him. But yeah,

527
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Speaker 4: I think the Ravens defense, the pass rush to me,

528
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 4: took a big step in this game, and I was

529
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Speaker 4: encouraged by that. That was a positive note in this game.

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Speaker 4: And now it's part of just getting the whole thing

531
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Speaker 4: working together. Pass rush seemed to elevate. Secondary still needs

532
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Speaker 4: to make the improvements that have been an issue for

533
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Speaker 4: them all year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I again, I think you have to look

536
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 1: the pass defense has struggled even against the Jamis got

537
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 1: him for too much.

538
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 2: Bonis got him for too much.

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is a great quarterback, Yeah, Jamar Chase is

540
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: a great wide receiver. So like, okay, to a degree,

541
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Speaker 1: tip your cap, you recognize they're really good players on

542
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Speaker 1: the other side too, making great plays.

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Speaker 2: But that's not gonna.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, two sixty four is not an acceptable number. No,

545
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 4: everybody on the Ravens defense would say that. So now

546
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Speaker 4: just kind of final thoughts, big picture wise, the Ravens

547
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Speaker 4: are Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Let's not forget about Kyle Hailton. So he he suffered

549
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Speaker 1: an ankle injury that I.

550
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Speaker 2: Mean, it was a scary moment.

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Speaker 1: I think when you see Kyle Hailton go down with

552
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Speaker 1: what at first looked like a non contact injury and

553
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Speaker 1: he's just got his head to the turf buried in

554
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Speaker 1: his hands, you're I mean, I'm just.

555
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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this can't

556
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Speaker 2: be happening.

557
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 1: And thank goodness, it appears that the Ravens kind of

558
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Speaker 1: dodged what was the worst case scenario, at least what

559
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Speaker 1: was feared originally. You know, he was originally ruled questionable

560
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Speaker 1: to return and then ruled out near the start of

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Speaker 1: the second half. John Harball after the game said, it's

562
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Speaker 1: not a major injury. So when Kyle will be back,

563
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Speaker 1: I don't We don't know, but at least it wasn't

564
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Speaker 1: as bad as it initially looked.

565
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Speaker 4: Kyle was on the sidelines in the second half of

566
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Speaker 4: the game and sweats and had a walking boot on,

567
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Speaker 4: and so.

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Speaker 3: We'll see where it goes from there.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, the Ravens have the benefit right now of some

570
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Speaker 4: extra rest. Will he be ready for the Steelers game.

571
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Speaker 4: We'll wait and see, but it's nice to have a

572
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 4: lease of extra rest going into that game.

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Speaker 3: So the Ravens are now seven to three. The Bengals

574
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Speaker 3: are four and six.

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Speaker 4: The Ravens obviously are in really good position big picture

576
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Speaker 4: wise in the playoff race. They're still looking up at

577
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Speaker 4: the Steelers, who have only had two losses on the season,

578
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Speaker 4: but they're facing them next week. Have you have to

579
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Speaker 4: play the Steelers. So they've got two games coming up

580
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Speaker 4: against the Steelers starting next week. The Bengals four and six.

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Speaker 4: I'm not completely ruling them out of the race yet.

582
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Speaker 2: I don't think they're done yet.

583
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Speaker 4: I think they're a good team, a really good team,

584
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,959
Speaker 4: a really really good offense. So I'm not ruling them

585
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Speaker 4: out yet. But they have a deep hole to climb

586
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Speaker 4: out of. They certainly could, but they've got a deep hole.

587
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 4: So this game really counts for two when you consider

588
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Speaker 4: that the Ravens had gone the other way here, you

589
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 4: would be in a dead heat with the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Now you've got two wins over them, and you have

591
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Speaker 3: some separation in the divisional race. That is a good thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Bengals, if they lose two more games,

593
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: are probably done. Yeah, they have to play at Chargers, Steelers, Cowboys, Titans, Browns, Broncos, Steelers.

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00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean four.

595
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 4: And six is yeh, that's tough hold to climb out of.

596
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 4: But I'm with you, I'm not I'm not rolling them out.

597
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 4: So this is a fun one. Enjoy this one, Ravens fans.

598
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Speaker 4: It's it's an exciting win for this team. Lamar Jackson

599
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 4: is playing at an m VP level once again. He

600
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 4: is a joy to watch and this offense really turned

601
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Speaker 4: it on the second half of this game. As always,

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Speaker 4: you can email us at the lounge at Ravens dot

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Speaker 4: NFL dot net. Thank you so much for listening and

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Speaker 4: we will be back with you again next week.