Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Katty.
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Jettaty and know He Armstrong and Yetty.
Speaker 3: What is the situation with the water obviously in the
Speaker 3: palisage that ran out last night in the hydrants.
Speaker 2: The local folks are trying to figure that out.
Speaker 4: I mean, just when you have a system that it's
Speaker 4: not dissimilar to what we've seen in other extraordinarily large
Speaker 4: scale fires, whether it be pipe electricity or whether it
Speaker 4: just be the complete overwhelm of the system.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to believe Gavin Newsom getting on the
Speaker 1: phone with some people why the hydrants were an out
Speaker 1: of water. I need an answer because that's a bad story.
Speaker 1: The hydrants run similar to other situations. He's a pot
Speaker 1: So I'll tell you. If there's one place I could
Speaker 1: be right now anywhere in the world, it'd be close
Speaker 1: enough to Barack Obama and Donald Trump, who were sitting
Speaker 1: in the second row at the National Cathedral in Washington,
Speaker 1: DC waiting for the Jimmy Carter funeral to start. It's
Speaker 1: the role of the ex president's man. The most exclusive
Speaker 1: club in the world and people with a better view
Speaker 1: of the way things really work than anybody who lives.
Speaker 1: But Barack Obama's now bending Trump's here. They are in
Speaker 1: a NonStop conversation and both of them laughing now and then,
Speaker 1: and Barack Obama's just shaking his head like rolled his
Speaker 1: eyes and laughed, and they're talking about I would freaking
Speaker 1: love to know what they're talking about. Do you think
Speaker 1: if it's anything of consequence or is it like really
Speaker 1: minor stuff just to make small talk.
Speaker 3: I think it is a presidential small talk, That's what
Speaker 3: I'm he knowing. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeh, DC and
Speaker 3: the White House and the inauguration and the press and
Speaker 3: that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: I suspect.
Speaker 1: And famously, if you're into this sort of stuff, former
Speaker 1: presidents often have way more respect for each other then
Speaker 1: you might guess based on the way things were when
Speaker 1: they were all fighting each other. And I wonder if
Speaker 1: Barack and Trump are in that category. Oh it's guaranteed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, They've both done a job that is impossible and
Speaker 3: ages you like a dog, and so there is a
Speaker 3: bond even if you disagree fairly vehemently. I want to
Speaker 3: say one thing and make it clear because we have,
Speaker 3: you know, made various comments, whether lighthearted, about some of
Speaker 3: the things happening at the funeral or Carter's presidency and
Speaker 3: that sort of thing. I believe Jimmy Carter was a
Speaker 3: good man who lived a good life. I think he
Speaker 3: was ill suited to the job for which he is
Speaker 3: being remembered. He was not a good president, and I
Speaker 3: think respect to him and his family and those who
Speaker 3: loved him upon his passing is absolutely appropriate. I think
Speaker 3: worshipfulness is weird and off putting. You know, we can
Speaker 3: certainly give criticism of his administration arrest during the funeral,
Speaker 3: that's fine, but there is a difference between having respect
Speaker 3: for a human being and suspending your not only you're right,
Speaker 3: but your duty as an American to understand where his
Speaker 3: presidency went terribly wrong. But again, we could give it
Speaker 3: a rest for a minute.
Speaker 1: In terms of the presidents that are still alive, they're
Speaker 1: all sitting there and I'm watching on TV. Joe Biden
Speaker 1: looks one hundred and twenty years old. He walked in
Speaker 1: and sat down with his mouth hanging open, and that
Speaker 1: blank stare that he has. He's the current president with
Speaker 1: all those former presidents, and he's the oldest guy in
Speaker 1: those first two pews and looks by far the oldest,
Speaker 1: and looks the oldest and acts the oldest. Yes, why
Speaker 1: did we Why are you going back clear to Bush
Speaker 1: won all those people? Well, I mean you're going way back. Oh,
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton's there, that's ninety two. The guy that one
Speaker 1: is not with us, but I mean Bush too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the oldest guy there is Joe Biden, the current president.
Speaker 2: That's an odd thing for America to decide.
Speaker 3: And you know, if we need this, and we probably don't,
Speaker 3: but it's worth contemplating for another ten seconds. The fact
Speaker 3: that the Democratic Party, the Biden administration, and the media
Speaker 3: we're all telling us is recently is you know, the
Speaker 3: early part of last year, the middle part of last year,
Speaker 3: that he was good to go for another four years.
Speaker 3: Nothing could be more dishonest or ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Well, last hour, we played the clip Joe Biden did
Speaker 1: an interview with USA Today and said he thinks he
Speaker 1: would have won, which is, well, here's David Atzorrod, who
Speaker 1: ran Obama's campaign.
Speaker 5: Here's what he has to say about that. Joe Biden
Speaker 5: had a forty approval rating. I don't think there's a
Speaker 5: president who's won reelection with an approval rating that low.
Speaker 5: So you look, you know, one has to comfort oneself
Speaker 5: in these moments, and you know that's probably what he's doing.
Speaker 5: But I think it's nuts to think that he would
Speaker 5: have won that election.
Speaker 1: It's nuts to think won He went from painstaking, painstakingly diplomatic.
Speaker 2: To he's a nut. It's not pretty quickly he would
Speaker 2: have won. Yeah, damn it.
Speaker 1: What is Trump saying to Barack Obama that's making Barack
Speaker 1: Obama throw back his head and laughter. I would love
Speaker 1: to know what he'll never know. No, I won't, you
Speaker 1: will never know. Uh Dovetailing from our conversational last year,
Speaker 1: I appreciate Mike the lawyer in Chicago recognizing the Joe
Speaker 1: Getty unified theory of civilizations. Talking about Carter's administration, he said,
Speaker 1: Carter's policies are a great example of what you talk
Speaker 1: about with the guardrails, Vietnam and Watergate made it easy
Speaker 1: to adopt passivity and imagineering. When Carter came in, we
Speaker 1: overcorrected and flipped the car in the ditch. That's a
Speaker 1: that's a that's a really good analysis right there.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: So coming up an extended discussion of DOGE and what
Speaker 3: exactly it might be able to accomplish and what the
Speaker 3: roadblocks will be. To paraphrase, I think it was a lick.
Speaker 3: Oh you all live in who is an absolutely brilliant
Speaker 3: writer and thinker, Jack, I know you, you're familiar with
Speaker 3: this stuff. He says, it could be a complete waste
Speaker 3: of everyone's time. That's usually how reform commissions go. But
Speaker 3: Musk is no slouch, and the idea has drawn the
Speaker 3: cooperation of an array of tech sector and entrepreneurial talent,
Speaker 3: including favek Ramaswami, and needs to be taken seriously.
Speaker 1: Well, I think I think the biggest thing that's going
Speaker 1: for Musk versus you know, two senators that ninety percent
Speaker 1: of people don't know. Everybody knows who Elon Musk is.
Speaker 1: He can say something and everybody hears it, and if
Speaker 1: he when he runs into these roadblocks, at least he
Speaker 1: can say it out loud and say, hey, look, we
Speaker 1: got a government where you can't fire anybody.
Speaker 2: Did everybody know that?
Speaker 1: Because a couple of senators doing this in a hearing
Speaker 1: a year from now and explaining the difficulties, nobody ever
Speaker 1: hears that stuff right now, whether they are like surpassingly
Speaker 1: successful and they just did the Doge thing just totally
Speaker 1: turns the country around. I don't think that's going to happen,
Speaker 1: But I feel like this spouse who's been begging his
Speaker 1: or her spouse to go to the doctor, and this
Speaker 1: is at least a trip to the doctor where a
Speaker 1: diagnosis will be given, where somebody who will not be
Speaker 1: ignored will say a great example. Do you know we've
Speaker 1: got millions of people who don't get fired no matter
Speaker 1: how bad a job they do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean everybody should know that.
Speaker 1: So I think it's even if it is just a
Speaker 1: minimal success, we'll keep our It'll be great. We'll keep
Speaker 1: our in the funeral and try to read lips. We'll
Speaker 1: have that story and a whole bunch of other stuff
Speaker 1: on the way.
Speaker 2: Stay here.
Speaker 1: All five living former presidents gathered for the Jimmy Carter funeral.
Speaker 1: More on that if anything happens. I do have some
Speaker 1: more comments to make. Their procession is going on.
Speaker 2: Indeed, we will bring that to you if it develops.
Speaker 3: Joe Biden recently with his eyes closed for a prolonged
Speaker 3: period of time.
Speaker 1: He's a spiritual man. He's also one hundred years old.
Speaker 1: I think there's a decent chance he falls asleep and
Speaker 1: tumbles into the aisle.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, boy, that would make the headlines. Anyway, stay
Speaker 3: with us, you've all Livin, who's a brilliant guy. One
Speaker 3: of a couple of people I want to quote talking
Speaker 3: about the Doge project is this Elon Musk and Vivek
Speaker 3: Kramaswami in company's effort to reign in the federal government.
Speaker 3: And it's spending And we'll get more into specifics in
Speaker 3: a second, but I just saw the headline. For what
Speaker 3: it's worth, Elon Musk has ascended to like the top
Speaker 3: five or something like that in world.
Speaker 1: Rankings in some sort of video game. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he How does he have time? He says he's the
Speaker 1: best video game player in the world. When he was younger,
Speaker 1: he was he was the world champion, and he doesn't
Speaker 1: have as much time to do it now, but he is.
Speaker 1: He says he's the best in the world at most
Speaker 1: of those games.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Even if we were to extract his brain from a
Speaker 3: skull and you know, learn everything we could, science isn't
Speaker 3: at a point where we would learn much. But his
Speaker 3: brain does not work the way the rest of us are.
Speaker 3: The rest of them are definitely definitely not no.
Speaker 2: Indeed, so you've all.
Speaker 3: Levin writes that surely there is a need for some
Speaker 3: creative thinking about combating efficiency in government. Everybody knows that
Speaker 3: maybe DOGE could have some potential, but to generate more
Speaker 3: than memes and slogans, it needs to quickly nail down
Speaker 3: several key particulars about its goals, its structures.
Speaker 2: It's approached because they're kind of.
Speaker 1: Vague for all to talk about doge It's basic ambition.
Speaker 2: It's still pretty murky. As he points out.
Speaker 3: Quite correctly, I think it's champions seem to have in
Speaker 3: mind dramatically reducing federal spending, sharply curtailing the federal workforce,
Speaker 3: and fundamentally reforming federal regulatory policy. And he points out,
Speaker 3: and I agree completely, only the last of these is
Speaker 3: really worth Doge's time and attention. It pains me to
Speaker 3: skip over the sharply curtailing the federal workforce thing, and
Speaker 3: we can get to I that's hard. But you've all
Speaker 3: points out the notion that a committed billionaire tech executive
Speaker 3: with no political experience is going to massively reduce federal
Speaker 3: spending by focusing on waste is just the kind of
Speaker 3: bain banal delusion that causes Washingtonians to roll their eyes
Speaker 3: at the whole idea of Doge because.
Speaker 1: I saw Nashville have you writing about how Elon a
Speaker 1: super smart guy. Nobody's doubting that. But he was not
Speaker 1: into politics his whole life. He's just like started paying
Speaker 1: attention to this recently. So he's having, like in his
Speaker 1: head and with other people, a lot of the arguments
Speaker 1: that people who are into politics, you know, have when
Speaker 1: they're much much younger and realize, okay, these are the
Speaker 1: points that everybody makes. Because he's having some of the
Speaker 1: same tired arguments on his Twitter feed that yeah, we
Speaker 1: know that part like those of us who pay attention
Speaker 1: to this, you're new to this.
Speaker 3: And in the same way I often say, evidence does
Speaker 3: not necessarily equal proof. Good things do not necessarily equal
Speaker 3: a solution. For instance, if they were to get rid
Speaker 3: of all of the waste and fraud and abuse in
Speaker 3: discretionary spending, that would be a great thing. It's not
Speaker 3: going to come near solving our budgetary problems.
Speaker 2: Doesn't that matter a lot? Morally though, or just morally
Speaker 2: etally directionally.
Speaker 1: I mean, it just pains me so much that we
Speaker 1: have so many agencies employees that aren't needed, all right,
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm trying to make clear. Do it
Speaker 1: as fast and as viciously as you can, bloody some noses.
Speaker 1: Do everything you can to get rid of that stuff
Speaker 1: I was talking about, and to make it more efficient.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, remember that discretionary spending is absolutely dwarfed
Speaker 1: by our entitlement programs and will and uh, and the
Speaker 1: one is on the wane as a shriff GDP, the
Speaker 1: other one's on the rise. So the relationship is getting
Speaker 1: even more skewed. And Trump said entitlement reform is not
Speaker 1: on his agenda. I had one of the most depressing
Speaker 1: but enlightening thoughts I've ever had. And again political hacks
Speaker 1: would laugh at me for this, just really having it
Speaker 1: come into my head perfectly clearly. If I'm a Republican,
Speaker 1: you know, a consultant, like really really in the know
Speaker 1: with my pulse on the voters and all, I would
Speaker 1: tell my candidate, dude, you're railing against or or perhaps
Speaker 1: ma'am because women can hold office now these days. To Jack,
Speaker 1: I would say, my friend you're one hundred percent right
Speaker 1: about how we need entitlement reform, about how we're spending
Speaker 1: our children's and grandchildren's money, how it's the greatest deft
Speaker 1: in the history of mankind, from one generation stealing from another.
Speaker 3: All of this is true, and it is repugnant. I
Speaker 3: hate it to my soul. But if you hang your
Speaker 3: hat on that, you will lose and you will accomplish nothing.
Speaker 3: If you shut up about that, we can roll back
Speaker 3: the perversion of our kids in the woke schools. We
Speaker 3: can cut the federal workforce and make it more efficient.
Speaker 3: We can form great trade relationships. We can punch China
Speaker 3: in the nose and make sure they don't take over
Speaker 3: the globe. We can accomplish all sorts of stuff. But
Speaker 3: if you keep talking about entitlements, you're not.
Speaker 2: Gonna do any of it.
Speaker 1: I would love it if we could get all those
Speaker 1: former presidents sitting in the first two pews there in
Speaker 1: a national cathedral. I would love to have this conversation
Speaker 1: with them. Honestly, wouldn't it be awesome to have them
Speaker 1: in a room. I would ask them the question, how
Speaker 1: do you see this playing out? You all know the
Speaker 1: structural problems we have and where we're headed. How do
Speaker 1: you see this playing out? Bill Clinton, George W. Bush,
Speaker 1: Barack Obama? What do you think is going to happen?
Speaker 1: I mean they have to have an answer in their head.
Speaker 1: Oh I think they do. Yeah, getting back to my screen,
Speaker 1: what do you think most of them would say?
Speaker 3: There is no way to pass any meaningful reform until
Speaker 3: it is an emergency. We've tried and there is no
Speaker 3: taste for it among the voters. It's way too easy
Speaker 3: to scare them off. So we just have to wait
Speaker 3: to leave them here.
Speaker 2: Yes see.
Speaker 1: And I know I've said this before, but my concern is,
Speaker 1: and I got this from you, all ofvin who you're
Speaker 1: reading from, and this was the scariest thing I've ever
Speaker 1: heard about this stuff. It's not going to be an emergency.
Speaker 1: I've always pictured it being some sort of cataclysmic Oh
Speaker 1: my god, the alarms are going off. We have to
Speaker 1: do something. Everybody understands it. We cut this, we raise taxes,
Speaker 1: we fix it.
Speaker 2: He says. That's not the way it's going to play out.
Speaker 1: We're just going to become a less dynamic, slower moving,
Speaker 1: bogged down, less fans, less powerful, high tax harder to
Speaker 1: get a business started country and yeah we'll be France.
Speaker 1: Yeah we'll just be France. And it will happen kind
Speaker 1: of gradually, and older people who remember what it used
Speaker 1: to be like will die, and everybody will just think
Speaker 1: this is what life is like. That to me is
Speaker 1: the scariest outcome of all. One, I think it's probably
Speaker 1: the way it will happen. And two I don't know
Speaker 1: how you ever turn that around.
Speaker 3: Right right again, my foe Republican consultant's screen. I want
Speaker 3: you to understand. I loathe that, I despise it. But
Speaker 3: if there's one thing that being a conservative is, it's
Speaker 3: being a realist. And I've got to I just got
Speaker 3: to come to terms with that.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 3: Levin points out that the federal government actually has about
Speaker 3: as many employees as it did a half century ago.
Speaker 3: It's the government's reach and scope and an enormous amount
Speaker 3: of contractors that have grown, and so the key is
Speaker 3: not so much the number of the workforce, but the
Speaker 3: scope of what the government does and how it does
Speaker 3: it through regulations and executive branch, contractors and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: which I think is a good clarification. Can they actually
Speaker 3: close can they delete a federal agency. There are serious
Speaker 3: legal hurdles and you would have to have the cooperation
Speaker 3: of Congress. Can't get in to this in a meaningful way.
Speaker 3: We're up against a heartbreak. But maybe we can reset
Speaker 3: that down the road, because I mean, how many of
Speaker 3: us want the Department of Education gone? A majority of
Speaker 3: parents to Polder just came out. It's a very small majority.
Speaker 1: Hotel I was in was across the street from the
Speaker 1: Department of Education in Washington, d C.
Speaker 2: Last week.
Speaker 1: That's an enormous building with a lot of employees. And
Speaker 1: to think we could do away with that and have
Speaker 1: more local control and how I have that money stay
Speaker 1: at home?
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think it'll happen.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and just not have the the woke bureaucrats
Speaker 3: of d C playing the tune that local schools are
Speaker 3: supposed to dance to.
Speaker 2: I hate that idea.
Speaker 1: We will check in on the horrifying fires that continue
Speaker 1: in LA today. Oh my god, big portions of cities
Speaker 1: that are completely gone.
Speaker 3: Everybody calls everything historic these days. This is an historic
Speaker 3: catastrophe for Los Angeles in the state of California.
Speaker 1: Biggest fire in LA's hitty already most devastating and climbing
Speaker 1: up the ranks for the entire state of California.
Speaker 2: I got a lot more on the way. I hope
Speaker 2: you can stay here, Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 6: We did have a sheriff's deputy drive past us and
Speaker 6: we got this warning to be careful, and we thought, okay,
Speaker 6: maybe he's talking about the smoke because the air quality
Speaker 6: is so poor. That's why we're all wearing respirators and masks.
Speaker 6: He said, no, be careful because there are looters out here.
Speaker 6: He said, we've already arrested someone. And I asked, well,
Speaker 6: how many? And we're and try to get some more information.
Speaker 6: He says, it couldn't give you that information. But the
Speaker 6: fact that they this morning have already arrested people, it
Speaker 6: just goes to show that people are taking advantage of
Speaker 6: an already devastating situation.
Speaker 1: You know, as a libertarian, I have to be against
Speaker 1: government vigilante style justice. But if you accidentally hit that
Speaker 1: guy in the back of the year with a baton,
Speaker 1: I'm looking the other way. Is there anything worse than
Speaker 1: a looter? Anything? You are the worst human being on earth.
Speaker 1: You certainly are in the running. After people have had
Speaker 1: their homes burnt down lost everything they have, and you
Speaker 1: go in and try to steal from them, you soob.
Speaker 2: Can we institute something like martial law the very least.
Speaker 2: You got to make the penalty so high.
Speaker 1: It's just not worth going and digging through somebody's house
Speaker 1: to try to find a an engagement ring.
Speaker 2: You got my vote. Anyway.
Speaker 1: Some other thing about the fire, and we're keeping our
Speaker 1: eye on the Jimmy Carter funeral. We got some comments
Speaker 1: on that coming up in a little bit. It's going
Speaker 1: on right now. But on the fire, this is getting
Speaker 1: a fair amount of attention, and there's a lot of
Speaker 1: already in the midst of the tragedy with neighborhoods burnt
Speaker 1: completely to the ground. It looks like the moon in
Speaker 1: some of these places where it used to be multimillion
Speaker 1: dollar homes or just regular homes. It's not like it's
Speaker 1: more or less tragic depending on the expenditure of the home.
Speaker 1: And so Trump is doing a lot of true thing
Speaker 1: about out fire management by Gavin Newsom, and Gavin Newsom's
Speaker 1: trying to deflect it into other things in the Mayor.
Speaker 2: Of la and blah blah blah, all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: But this seems to be true.
Speaker 1: When the Forest Service identifies high risk forests needing prescribed
Speaker 1: burns or any area that you got to deal with.
Speaker 1: And if you don't travel around LA, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of trees around LA, especially when you get up to
Speaker 1: the Pasadena Altadena area. I've hiked up there many times,
Speaker 1: did nothing but forests behind you. When the Forest Service
Speaker 1: identifies a high risk forest that needs to burn to
Speaker 1: be safe, it takes an average of four point seven
Speaker 1: years to get it through the environmental reviews. If it's
Speaker 1: a complex situation like their houses close by or infrastructure,
Speaker 1: it takes about seven years, which, as it points out,
Speaker 1: is many many fire cycles. I mean going through many
Speaker 1: fire seasons before you get through the environmental review to
Speaker 1: make sure the titmouse isn't gonna lose its habitat or
Speaker 1: something like that before you can do anything about the fire,
Speaker 1: which point the situation I would guess is very different.
Speaker 1: Probably it needs to be done even more. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a similar thing happened with And if you don't
Speaker 1: live in California, you may not have heard the story
Speaker 1: the historic pier in Santa Cruz that got washed away
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago and I've been out on
Speaker 1: there many times, very very old. But there were projects
Speaker 1: planned to shore that thing up, aging wooden structure, but
Speaker 1: it ran into environmental struggles because of some sort of
Speaker 1: bird or fish or something, and they just couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: And and there you go.
Speaker 3: What you have to understand, though, and what people need
Speaker 3: to understand, both Californians and outside the state, is that
Speaker 3: the environmental laws.
Speaker 2: And fish, that's the main thing. I hate birds, I
Speaker 2: hate fish.
Speaker 3: Well, see here's here's where I slap you with the
Speaker 3: firm hand of reality. It's not about the birds and fish,
Speaker 3: at least in part like half the reason for these
Speaker 3: laws is for trial aturnneys to get attorneys to be rich.
Speaker 3: Unions constantly use these environmental lawsuits to blackmail companies, even
Speaker 3: the state itself into giving them a better deal. It's
Speaker 3: a it's a it's it's law fair. That's an excellent pointy.
Speaker 1: What it is how many of the lawyers who make
Speaker 1: enough of a living to retire on on these various
Speaker 1: cases have gone for years and years, care about the
Speaker 1: freaking burger fiction involved, or just love the fact that
Speaker 1: they get into. They've got a job, they've got a
Speaker 1: case for the rest of their lives.
Speaker 3: Maybe someday, Jack, you could explain, not today, how California's
Speaker 3: divorce laws are patterned so that incredibly expensive lawfare can
Speaker 3: take trial attorneys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know the.
Speaker 3: Trial attorneys and the public employee unions are on the state.
Speaker 2: Anyway, enough said.
Speaker 1: Let me turn my gaze briefly back to the funeral
Speaker 1: that is going on. We have all the TVs on
Speaker 1: live as the I don't know when you're listening to this,
Speaker 1: if you're listening to it on the podcast Jimmy Carter Funeral,
Speaker 1: and all the former president and vice presidents are in
Speaker 1: the first couple of rows with their wives and husbands. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris's vice president. She's got a husband. He'll slap
Speaker 1: you around if you don't listen. But you know, it's
Speaker 1: just thing and a couple of different things. So that's
Speaker 1: Amy Carter. Executive producer hands and pointed out, I didn't
Speaker 1: know who that woman does. I got nothing to say
Speaker 1: about her. She's at her dad's funeral for crying out loud, right,
Speaker 1: But she is an old woman now, as we all
Speaker 1: have aged, I'm much older than I was when I
Speaker 1: was a child. When she was a child also, but
Speaker 1: I didn't know who that was. That's Amy Carter. But
Speaker 1: Barrock and Trump were yucking it up a lot before
Speaker 1: the funeral started, not like in an inappropriate way. You know,
Speaker 1: you've been to a funeral and you don't have to
Speaker 1: be morose the entire time, you know.
Speaker 3: With no in many situations, it's a celebration of life.
Speaker 3: But I would love to know what Barack and Trump
Speaker 3: were talking about. I mean, they were really john a lot.
Speaker 3: I figured it out. It's obvious, boy, is Biden a doe?
Speaker 2: Could be?
Speaker 1: There are comparing notes on that it could be, and
Speaker 1: Barack's like, you think you know he's a dope. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you, I got some stories. Well, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: be impossible. I don't know if they'd if he would
Speaker 1: say it out loud or not, but if they're you know,
Speaker 1: you had truth serum or something, and one thing about
Speaker 1: being a two term president, you don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about anything anymore. Have you ever seen a worse campaign
Speaker 1: than what Kamala Harris did. I could see Brox saying,
Speaker 1: oh my god, she couldn't do one interview. I know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what they were talking about, but do
Speaker 1: you remember the backstory on them. The reason Trump was
Speaker 1: president is because Barack Obama. So Trump was endlessly back
Speaker 1: when he was just a talk show host that I,
Speaker 1: for instance, didn't think there was a chance Trump was
Speaker 1: ever going to be in politics. Would not shut up
Speaker 1: about Barack Obama being a Muslim from another land in
Speaker 1: the birth certificate, just endlessly on every show he ever did.
Speaker 1: He would talk about that at and Barack Obama got
Speaker 1: so upset about that that when they did the National
Speaker 1: correspond on its dinner and Trump was in the audience,
Speaker 1: Barack Obama made like the entire hour monologue making fun
Speaker 1: of Donald Trump in front of all those people. And
Speaker 1: Trump sat there stewing and so angry that he was
Speaker 1: being mocked by Barack Obama. That is, and this is,
Speaker 1: according to everyone, what drove him to run for president.
Speaker 1: And in a time honored fashion among human beings, millions
Speaker 1: and millions of Americans said, oh, is that the enemy
Speaker 1: of Barack Obama and everything he's trying to do the country.
Speaker 2: Let's let's hear more about this guy.
Speaker 1: One of Bob Woodward's books, and I don't remember which one,
Speaker 1: but As a Long Time Ago, opens with Barack Obama
Speaker 1: running down the stairs to tell Michelle, I found it.
Speaker 1: I found it because he found his birth certificate up
Speaker 1: in the attic. He'd been digging through the boxes long
Speaker 1: just to try to shut up Trump because it was
Speaker 1: so annoying. He would just dig the President of the
Speaker 1: United States, digging through boxes to try to find his
Speaker 1: original birth certificate because Trump wouldn't shut up about which
Speaker 1: is hilarious. But anyway, now here they are sitting on
Speaker 1: the pew yucking it up together, both of them, with
Speaker 1: their their lives intertwined and intercrossed in ways that you
Speaker 1: know nobody would have predicted.
Speaker 3: They're trying to other him jacket's racism, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Well we now know, I mean at the time, but
Speaker 1: we now know. Trump just does whatever to get under
Speaker 1: people's kin. He calls you by the wrong name or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just trolls.
Speaker 1: He just trolls people. Who was the candidate. You know this, Michael,
Speaker 1: you were into this sea. He was just called by
Speaker 1: the wrong name all the time. One of the guys
Speaker 1: that was running, oh Asa Hutchinson, he called for no
Speaker 1: good reason, just I.
Speaker 3: Mean, third grade schoolyard taunts, just like ridiculous.
Speaker 2: I don't even care enough to know what your name is.
Speaker 2: Is all that is.
Speaker 3: So. Gerald Ford, who Carter defeated, and Carter were very
Speaker 3: close friends the rest of their lives until Ford passed
Speaker 3: away a number of years ago. And Ford's son is
Speaker 3: delivering the eulogy, which is really a beautiful thing. And
Speaker 3: he has pointed out during the service Carter's absolutely triumphant
Speaker 3: bringing together of monocha Bagan of Israel and Anwar Sadat
Speaker 3: of Egypt in what was the opening step of a
Speaker 3: process that's gone right through the Abraham Accords and is
Speaker 3: surely going to continue in Trump's term this time around.
Speaker 3: And that is the the calming of the sane regimes
Speaker 3: of the Middle East and working together to root out
Speaker 3: the scumbags and lunatics. H and and for that Carter
Speaker 3: should be remembered. That was some really really good diplomacy.
Speaker 3: He also engaged in some really really bad diplomacy. But
Speaker 3: you know, what are you gonna do the one of
Speaker 3: the several opportunities that the Palestinian leadership had for a
Speaker 3: fabulous deal, a great deal that you know.
Speaker 2: Not on our sadate.
Speaker 1: What's his face with the Kafia? The terrorist Help me
Speaker 1: got the Nobel Peace Prize. At one point, I can't
Speaker 1: think of his what does it come on? This is
Speaker 1: embarrassing fat, Yeah, that's embarrassing to not know his name.
Speaker 1: I talked about this not long acause, remember I got
Speaker 1: I know a lot of names. You wanted some other names,
Speaker 1: Lord Filmour, there's one Marie Calhoun.
Speaker 2: So I got on this.
Speaker 1: Monocca began kick you remember last year, and I read
Speaker 1: his book and it explained how Yasser Airfat walk walked
Speaker 1: away from that at the very end, I mean, like
Speaker 1: hours before it was going to be accomplished, and Jimmy
Speaker 1: Carter was furious and realized at that point that he
Speaker 1: was dealing with a nut job that who had no
Speaker 1: interest in actually having peace or actually having a state.
Speaker 2: So well exactly, Yeah, then they did it again under Clinton.
Speaker 1: That should be it'd be nice if Jimmy Carter could
Speaker 1: leap up out of that casket and explain that to
Speaker 1: the college students in Colombia and UCLA and everywhere else. Hey,
Speaker 1: they don't want a two state solution, at least the
Speaker 1: leadership that they voted for over the years, right exactly
Speaker 1: while those college morons were demonstrating in favor of terrorists
Speaker 1: while the bloods still ran in the streets of New
Speaker 1: Orleans thanks to an isic converted lunatic. I suppose if
Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter leaped up out of the caskets, that sub
Speaker 1: headline would be his new peace plan.
Speaker 2: It would be.
Speaker 1: Probably you know, yeah, that would that might not even
Speaker 1: get noticed. The lead might be government attempts to bury
Speaker 1: live former president or something like that.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I see your points. We've got
Speaker 2: more stay with us.
Speaker 7: I mean, I've been in this same chair and I
Speaker 7: was arguing about a year ago, saying that you know,
Speaker 7: you can be pro immigration, but we need a secure border,
Speaker 7: and we have a serious issue here on the board
Speaker 7: and we have to address that. And here we have
Speaker 7: now we can be pro immigration, and I really believe
Speaker 7: we should protect the dreamers. But I don't know why
Speaker 7: it's controversial that we need to deport any migrants here
Speaker 7: illegal that are engaging in kinds of criminal activity. I
Speaker 7: don't know why that's controversial to anybody.
Speaker 1: Oh right, It's interesting that he gets credit for like
Speaker 1: bravery or it's political courage or whatever, for saying something
Speaker 1: that ninety percent of a people agree with.
Speaker 3: Well, I think you know, the next step in that
Speaker 3: discussion is how perverse and out of step is the
Speaker 3: Democratic Party or the branch of the Democratic Party that
Speaker 3: believes that is controversial? Not I mean because you're right, Well,
Speaker 3: you asked a question that sounds rhetorical, but it's not.
Speaker 3: How is that brave for a Democratic senator to say?
Speaker 2: I think the answer is you know what I said
Speaker 2: more or less, so.
Speaker 3: A handful of story's worth, at least touching on I
Speaker 3: don't know if you're following what's going on in South
Speaker 3: Korea with their president, it is crazy. I mean, they
Speaker 3: have a serious constitutional crisis going on.
Speaker 1: We cover the coup live a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 1: when he declared martial law and to try to keep
Speaker 1: the government from maybe able to go in and vote,
Speaker 1: and they said, nah, we're going to go and vote anyway,
Speaker 1: and then handed me.
Speaker 3: Right in the legislature, including his own party, gave him
Speaker 3: a wait what, No, you're not and they overturned it
Speaker 3: absolutely instantly and according to their constitution. But now it's
Speaker 3: believed by some in South Korean trust me, I'm not
Speaker 3: an expert on this, that he actually broke laws and
Speaker 3: so they're trying to arrest him.
Speaker 1: Now trying to put cuffs on him and arrest him. Well,
Speaker 1: this guy yun suck yol is saying eh, and his
Speaker 1: personal security detail, which he has recently beefed up, is
Speaker 1: now surrounded his presidential residential compound. And when they went
Speaker 1: to try to arrest him, I think was last week,
Speaker 1: scuffles broke out and the security people let the cops
Speaker 1: and whatever, you know, federal law enforcement was there to
Speaker 1: arrest the guy. Tell him no, you're not getting them
Speaker 1: without a fight, and we mean a fight, chick chick,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, cocking their weapons and and so
Speaker 1: after a prolonged multi hour negotiation, the people who are
Speaker 1: there to arrest him withdrew. Well they're going back now.
Speaker 1: But said former Marcia law van jun suk Yol, he's
Speaker 1: beefed up his security.
Speaker 2: He surrounded his.
Speaker 1: Compound with buses and even more armed guys to hold
Speaker 1: off the quote unquote authorities. So this is classic game
Speaker 1: of throne stuff as old as time.
Speaker 3: J'n a barbed wire too, just to help solidify the
Speaker 3: picture for you.
Speaker 1: I'm just surprised that he has loyalists who are willing
Speaker 1: to lay down their lives for him. Is he just
Speaker 1: flat out paying him or do they believe in him
Speaker 1: that much?
Speaker 2: That's an interesting question.
Speaker 3: You know. I'm thinking back to the early days of
Speaker 3: our republic, including during the Articles of Confederation, when we
Speaker 3: were a pretty new democracy, and we're the oldest democracy
Speaker 3: on earth, and so we're reasonably good at it. I
Speaker 3: know what you're thinking right now. This is good at it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I believe it or not. South Korea has just been
Speaker 3: on democracy since the.
Speaker 2: Eighties, is it. Yeah, it's within our lifetimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, But I mean this has happened throughout
Speaker 1: I'd reading the other day about Napoleon the Third in
Speaker 1: France in eighteen seventy one.
Speaker 2: But anyway, he wanted his guys to fire on.
Speaker 1: The revolutionaries in the street, and they said, nah, we're
Speaker 1: not going to and he realized, Okay, I guess the
Speaker 1: jig is up, and he had to high tail it
Speaker 1: to Great Britain. I mean, because sometimes your guys support
Speaker 1: you and sometimes they don't. But in this case, the
Speaker 1: South Korean president his people loyal to him.
Speaker 2: What or why?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, certainly enough to hold off the arrest tours.
Speaker 3: One of Ewan's lawyers said the president could not accept
Speaker 3: the execution of the arrest warrant because it was issued
Speaker 3: by a court in the wrong jurisdiction, and the team
Speaker 3: of investigators formed to probe the incumbent leader had no
Speaker 3: mandate to do so.
Speaker 1: But did they think the people that are willing to
Speaker 1: be shot to protect this guy, do they think he's
Speaker 1: going to end up back in power?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's a great quest, and I suspect so, I would
Speaker 3: guess it is. It is a and you know, I
Speaker 3: tend to side with the other side because this guy
Speaker 3: seems to be a nut job, but I'm far from
Speaker 3: an expert in it. It is both a personal test
Speaker 3: of wills and there are serious arguments about who did
Speaker 3: what and whether it's constitutional. So anyway, what's going to
Speaker 3: happen next is crazy. But in a settled, westernized Eastern democracy,
Speaker 3: to have this happen, it's just it's it's terrible.
Speaker 2: It's cataclasm. Oh, that's right, that's al Gore's nude Tipper.
Speaker 1: He and Tipper got divorced years ago, all years ago.
Speaker 2: Is that just a girlfriend then?
Speaker 1: Or is he married? Anyway, we'll get back to the
Speaker 1: funeral later. Asking me about al gorese love life. I
Speaker 1: don't know remember when he used to go get the
Speaker 1: massages and that was a big story.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 3: So CNN, which is where we happen to be watching
Speaker 3: at least one of our screens, the Jimmy Carter funeral.
Speaker 3: They are about to be the defendant in a high
Speaker 3: profile defation trial, and the jurors have indicated that they
Speaker 3: are open to a ten figure payout. That's a billion
Speaker 3: dollars with a B for what it's worth ten figures, okay,
Speaker 3: And this is and there's some funny aspects of this case.
Speaker 3: Plaintiff Zachary Young is a I think he's a Navy veteran.
Speaker 3: He was working like crazy to get people out of Afghanistan,
Speaker 3: and CNN, for some reason took a disliking to the
Speaker 3: guy and assassinated his character and called them all sorts
Speaker 3: of things, like a black market, violator of laws and
Speaker 3: all sorts of and they had no solid evidence to
Speaker 3: do so. And the judge has let the trial go forward.
Speaker 3: Their injury selection and as it turns out, only one
Speaker 3: potential juror admitted to regularly watching CNN out of forty
Speaker 3: potential jurors. Oof, that's blow number one and only two
Speaker 3: out of forty, or roughly five percent, had any idea
Speaker 3: who Jake Tapper is.
Speaker 2: Well, that's funny.
Speaker 1: It's it's going to be hard to find a fair
Speaker 1: jur or with the popularity. Oh, nobody's ever heard of us.
Speaker 1: It'll be easy to find a fair jur Oh.
Speaker 3: Okay, Jack triple as many as recognized Jake Tapper said, yes,
Speaker 3: I believe CNN creates fake news.
Speaker 2: Wow again, Armstrong and Getty